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Spain, Portugal Hit By Major Power Outage; Canadians Vote Under Shadow Of U.S. Tariff & Takeover Threats; Papal Conclave To Begin May 7th. Aired 11a-12p ET
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BIANNA GOLODRYGA, HOST, "ONE WORLD": Hello, everyone. Live from London, I'm Bianna Golodryga.
ZAIN ASHER, HOST, "ONE WORLD": And I'm Zain Asher coming to you from New York. This is One World.
A massive power outage has knocked out electricity across Spain and Portugal, causing chaos at airports, train stations, and on roads as well.
In Spain, all rail services have actually come to a standstill. The main electricity grid is down across Spain, Portugal and parts of France.
GOLODRYGA: Officials say it could take six to 10 hours to completely restore power. Madrid's mayor asked people to stay off the roads.
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JOSE LUIS MARTINEZ-ALMEIDA, MADRID MAYOR (Interpreted): At this moment, it is necessary to keep all roads clear. Traffic lights are currently off, but
what is essential is that emergency services can move. We have also closed the tunnels on Street 30, and at the same time, calls to 112, please, only,
those that are truly urgent, and if they are not attended to, they can go to police stations and to the fire stations of the City Council of Madrid
for assistance.
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GOLODRYGA: Atika Shubert is on the phone for us in Valencia, Spain. And Atika, what more are we learning? I mean, just the image of these major
cities being at a standstill right now, any indication as to what the cause was for this outage and how long it can go on for?
VOICE OF ATIKA SHUBERT, JOURNALIST: Right now, I'm in the middle of Valencia airport, and it is the only place that I could get electricity.
And fortunately, their Wi-Fi still works, and that's the only way I'm able to make this call. The city has been completely paralyzed. All the traffic
was out. They have all the police on the street trying to monitor the traffic going through. All of the trains have been canceled because there
is just no way running across the country. At the airport, where I'm at now, I can see that some flights have actually left. So, the emergency
electricity is working here at the airport, but otherwise, there is no electricity at all.
And as to the cause, I really don't know at this point. I've been asking every police officer, every official that I can to get some information
here, and they keep saying, we don't know for certain. All they know is that the power will be out for a minimum, this is what I've heard from a
police officer, and what I've heard from other authorities here, a minimum of 10 hours, they're telling us, possibly longer.
So, this is an extraordinary event. People here have been reacting calmly. They've actually not come out but there are a few people out on the street,
but they've asked people to stay home only because the traffic lights are out and they don't want people getting into accidents. So far, there has
been no major accidents. They did have to get people out of the metro and some elevators, but so far, as far as we know, there haven't been any
deaths or injuries as a result of this. But, as you can imagine, people have (inaudible) here.
GOLODRYGA: Yeah, because there isn't any weather-related issue. That's a bit abnormal in times where we see outages like this in the past, if, in
fact, there was a heat wave or something along those lines. So, obviously this is something that would surprise everyone, from civilians there and
citizens to government officials, as you see on the bottom, banner of powers partially restored at Spanish substations. This, according to the
grid operator. So, hopefully it does appear that things may be coming back online, but clearly not soon enough.
Atika Shubert in Valencia, thank you so much, and we'll have much more on this story as we get more updates in, Zain.
ASHER: Thank you, Atika.
All right. At this hour, polls are open in Canada for snap elections, overshadowed by Donald Trump's trade war and annexation rhetoric. The main
contest is between the Liberal Party led by Mark Carney and the Conservative Party led by Pierre Poilievre.
GOLODRYGA: Yeah. Carney became Prime Minister just last month after Justin Trudeau stepped down following nearly a decade in power. Now, the former
central bank leader has seen his party's popularity rise as he stood up to Trump in the trade war. Conservative leader Poilievre ran on a platform to
put Canada first. He wants to slash government funding and streamline Canada's bureaucracy.
ASHER: All right. Let's bring in CNN's Paula Newton, joining us live now from the Canadian capital. Paula, what I find interesting is, just a few
months ago, everybody thought that this election was going to be won by Pierre Poilievre, because obviously Justin Trudeau's popularity had
plummeted.
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But, what a difference a few months makes. Obviously, the fact that you've got Donald Trump and the trade war and the rhetoric surrounding making
Canada perhaps the 51st state has really changed, potentially changed the fortunes of the Liberal Party here. Walk us through that.
PAULA NEWTON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yeah. You know what's interesting here, Zain, is that Donald Trump, in fact, is the person who has been the
defining presence in this campaign, and you are so right to point out that turnaround, because pollsters tell me that it's not just historic in
Canadian terms. It is historic in polling. Think about think Pierre Poilievre, the Conservative leader, really thought to be the next Prime
Minister after Justin Trudeau. Justin Trudeau stepped down. Pierre Poilievre was leading in the polls by as much as 25 percent. Mark Carney
takes over as both Prime Minister and the head of the Liberal Party, and you have this swift turnaround because of the kind of trolling that Donald
Trump has been doing about the 51st state and taking over Canada.
I want you to see a Truth Social post that Donald Trump just put up a few hours ago, basically weighing in and saying that, "Look how beautiful this
land mass would be", indicating that he believes that Canada would be much better off within the United States. I can tell you, Zain, what is so
infuriating to so many Canadians, they tell me, is that he sees the country as a commodity, as there for the taking, that existential crisis, right,
not just with the tariffs, but the threat of making it a 51st state has really been the defining issue at the ballot box, and Canadians now
weighing really whether or not it's going to be Mark Carney or Pierre Poilievre, something else that hasn't happened in Canadian politics before
for this really to be so determined by this two-man race.
Now, I will say, Pierre Poilievre did strike back at Donald Trump a few hours later, saying, stay out of our election. I do not suspect that Donald
Trump will listen, no matter what the result is this evening. Zain.
ASHER: And Paula, another story that we are following is the fact that you had this car essentially driving through a street festival in Vancouver,
driving into the crowd, killing about 11 people, including a five-year-old girl. Obviously it affected campaigning and that you had Mark Carney
actually suspending his campaign temporarily. What more can you tell us on that front?
NEWTON: Yeah. I have to say, all the leaders showed uncommon emotion during this. All of them grieving with the families here. And as you say, Zain,
right now, 11 people have been killed, ages of five to 65. You imagine two dozen injured still in hospital, many of them with critical injuries. The
man in custody, police say, allegedly, he is someone who is known to them, right? He'd had mental health crises, and it has been so difficult, really,
it's been shattering, not just for the City of Vancouver, but for the entire country. I want you to listen now to an eyewitness.
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ELIZABETH POTSKIN, WITNESS OF ATTACK: We have resilience, we have heart, and we have compassion for one another, and I think that's what's really
important right now.
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NEWTON: Vancouver Police, Zain, called this the darkest day in their city's history. And I do want to point to that eyewitness talking about solidarity
now. It is that thread of unity, solidarity, compassion that so many Canadians, even far away from Vancouver, are taking with them to the ballot
box today. Why? Because they want to understand what kind of country they will have, and it has really ignited a patriotism in this country not seen
for decades. We should have the results late this evening, and of course, we'll bring that to you. But, suffice it to say Donald Trump will continue
to loom large in those results.
ASHER: Yeah. Many people saying that this caused chaos and confusions in terms of, obviously, the attack at that street festival, a lot of people
saying that this caused a lot of chaos and confusion among the city's Filipino community there.
Paula Newton live for us there. Thank you so much. We appreciate it.
GOLODRYGA: To the Vatican now where cardinals have chosen May 7th to start the Conclave to elect the next Pope. The secretive process is held within
the Sistine Chapel and usually takes less than a week.
ASHER: On Saturday, Pope Francis was laid to rest with dignitaries and hundreds of thousands of the faithful attending his funeral in St. Peter's
Square. He died exactly one week ago from a stroke and heart failure.
GOLODRYGA: Barbie Latza Nadeau joins us from Rome with a closer look. So, we know that this begins now officially on the 7th, and the cardinals who
will be there, the majority, were appointed actually by Pope Francis. Just walk us through what will transpire once the Conclave begins.
BARBIE LATZA NADEAU, CNN REPORTER: Yeah. 80 percent of those that are -- who are eligible to vote for the new pontiff are Pope Francis' picks. But,
we don't know exactly if that means they will vote for someone like him. But, what happens now in the next eight days until the Conclave starts is
that the congregation of cardinals, and that includes also those that are - - who are over the age of 80, who can't vote, are meeting in these congregations.
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They're discussing the future of the church. They're talking about what the church needs and what direction they want the church to go forward, under
what sort of leadership. And so, they're doing meditations. They're doing prayers. They're having this sort of get to know each other, maybe team
building, if you want to use a term like that, to try to get to know each other, because so many of these cardinals have never been -- had a cardinal
representing the country they're from. So, they don't have a precedent. They don't have someone who can ask or guide them. So, we're looking at a
lot of that happening.
When it begins on May 7th, there will be a mass here in St. Peter's Basilica with the cardinals. Then they will be basically sequestered. They
will not have access to their phones, to social media, to the news, to the outside world. They'll have no idea what's going on until they can vote.
The last two conclaves, though, the one in 2013 that led to the election of Pope Francis, and the one in 2005 that led to the election of Pope Benedict
XVI, only lasted two days. That is to say, at the end of the second day, they had voted for two thirds majority to elect that cardinal. Now, what
remains to be seen if these cardinals will be able to do it again that quickly.
But, just thinking that in this modern, connected world, to be sequestered like that completely without talking to anyone but each other, it's going
to really be an interesting process and one everybody is watching. Then, of course, all this week before the Conclave, they are preparing the Sistine
Chapel. They're building a floor that goes above the mosaic floor. They're putting in the stove with the chemical switches so they can have black
smoke and white smoke, and they're putting up that famous chimney behind me, you can see it from here, where it will be on the Sistine Chapel roof,
and that's where all eyes will be in the morning and the evening. For as long as it takes, they'll do two burning of the ballots until they get that
white smoke, until we understand what the direction the Catholic Church is going in after Francis.
GOLODRYGA: Yeah. We'll all be waiting for that white smoke.
Barbie Latza Nadeau, thank you.
Well, Russian President Vladimir Putin has unilaterally declared a three- day ceasefire in Ukraine and is urging Ukraine to do the same.
ASHER: Yeah. The Kremlin says the pause in fighting will start on May 8th, to coincide with the 80th anniversary of victory in World War II and the
Nazi defeat of, rather, the defeat of Nazi Germany.
Fred Pleitgen is in Moscow for us. So, Fred, obviously, this comes at a time when Donald Trump has threatened to walk away from the entire peace
process, as has Marco Rubio. In fact, Marco Rubio, Secretary of State, saying that this is a real critical week to determine if the U.S. wants to
continue to be involved in the peace process here. Just -- I think the question that everyone is asking with Vladimir Putin announcing this
potential ceasefire is, can he be trusted?
FREDERIK PLEITGEN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yeah. I think there are s several things at play here. On the one hand, I do think that
it is obviously a very important very important holiday coming up when the ceasefire is set to take place, which is, of course, around the May 9th
celebrations commemorating the defeat over Nazi Germany.
And if you look around, you can see that here, once this bus passes, that here in Moscow, the whole city is already getting ready for these
celebrations. You can see that giant sign over there that says (inaudible), which means victory from 1945 until 2025. This obviously being the 80th
anniversary, and that is a very important public holiday here in Russia, but, of course, in Ukraine as well, where during World War II, of course, a
lot of the fighting took place.
At the same time, of course, it also does come in that context of the Trump administration seemingly somewhat souring to Vladimir Putin and to the
Kremlin. On the one hand, Donald Trump, over this weekend, was asked whether he trusts Vladimir Putin, and he then said, I'll tell you in two
weeks, obviously, still saying that he is waiting and seeing. Donald Trump also saying that he was disappointed by some of those strikes that took
place on Ukrainian cities over the past week. So, those are all things where it seems as though there is difficulties with that diplomatic process
that the Trump administration has put in place.
And it was quite interesting to see that in the decree that Vladimir Putin signed, announcing the ceasefire, that he also reiterated that Russia, as
he put it, is ready for face-to-face direct talks with the Ukrainian side and is urging Ukraine to come to the table, obviously insinuating that now
the ball is in Ukraine's court. And we have also heard from Kyiv as well, the Ukrainians are saying they believe that this offer is not necessarily
sincere. They say that they signed on to and the Trump administration signed on to a 30-day unconditional ceasefire. They say anything less than
that seems to be tactical gaming by the Kremlin, guys.
GOLODRYGA: Yeah. The Ukrainian foreign minister said, if Russia truly wants peace, it must ceasefire immediately.
Fred, I'm just curious about the timing of this proposed ceasefire from Vladimir Putin, coming just days after President Trump was meeting with
President Zelenskyy at the funeral for Pope Francis at the Vatican, and the President coming out harshly, saying that, it makes me think that maybe he
doesn't want to stop the war after all, that he is just tapping me along and has to be dealt with differently, even threatening perhaps more
sanctions against Russia.
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How is that being received in the Kremlin?
PLEITGEN: Yeah, and threatening secondary sanctions as well against some of those gas and oil exports that, of course, the Russians are still
conducting. And I think it's something where the Russians are saying, look, the process goes on. They say that they are still very serious about this
process and want the process to move forward. But, at the same time, it does appear as though they have heard some of those criticisms coming from
U.S. President Donald Trump.
And I think one of the reasons, or one of the ways that that showed itself, is that you have had various officials coming out today after Vladimir
Putin announced a ceasefire, in that ceasefire also, once again, announced that the Russians are ready for these face-to-face talks with the
Ukrainians, that several Russian officials, including the Speaker of the upper house of Parliament, came out and said, look, we're ready for these
talks. The Ukrainians need to come to the talks, claiming that they don't trust the Ukrainian side, that when the last ceasefire was unilaterally
proposed by the Russians, that, of course, happening over Easter, that it was the Ukrainians, as the Russians say, who violated that ceasefire. Even,
of course, we know the Ukrainians are saying the exact opposite of that.
So, the Russians certainly trying, apparently, to build momentum once again on their side to try and get these talks back on track. But, it certainly
seems as though, from the point of view from the Trump administration, that at least the last meeting that President Trump's negotiator Steve Witkoff
had here in Moscow with Vladimir Putin may have been somewhat disappointing for President Trump and for the U.S. side and -- that they are questioning
whether or not this process can go on in this way. Of course, you mentioned that Marco Rubio saying that the next couple of days, possibly the next two
weeks or so, could be decisive for that process.
ASHER: All right. Fred Pleitgen in Moscow live for us there. Thank you so much.
All right. Still to come here, a monumental clash between Harvard and the Trump administration was the focus of a hearing in court a short time ago.
Why it goes well beyond the issue of federal funding?
GOLODRYGA: Plus, when Donald Trump returned to the White House in January, he had some of the strongest poll numbers of his political career. Ahead,
what a difference 99 days can make. We'll explain.
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ASHER: All right. As Donald Trump closes in on the first 100 days of his presidency, he is facing a vastly different political landscape than he did
just three short months ago, and now the White House is trying to change the narrative.
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GOLODRYGA: Yeah. A new CNN poll shows Trump's approval rating is at 41 percent. That is the lowest for a newly elected President at this stage in
at least seven decades. Even on immigration, one of the President's signature issues, he is under water. But, as voters appear to lose
confidence in Trump's hardline policies, and as concerns grow about what critics say is a lack of due process for many of the immigrants involved,
the White House border czar is striking a defiant tone.
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TOM HOMAN, WHITE HOUSE BORDER CZAR: People want to hate on the border wall, every place a border barrier has been built, illegal immigration has
declined, illegal drug flows declined. But, you know what no one talks about, the border wall saves lives because the most vulnerable, the women
and children, can't get over that wall, which means they're going to a place where there is not a wall, and what's waiting on them, the men and
women of the United States Border Patrol who will take care of those humanitarian needs, the health needs are off the bat.
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ASHER: All right. Federal data actually shows there has not been a significant jump in deportation since Trump took office. Meantime, we're
learning that hundreds of people were arrested over the past few days in immigration operations, and three children, who are U.S. citizens, were
deported, one of them a four-year-old cancer patient.
GOLODRYGA: Yeah. Let's get more now from CNN's Priscilla Alvarez, who filed this report outside the White House a short time ago.
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PRISCILLA ALVAREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The White House on Monday is keeping the focus on President Trump's signature issue, immigration, and
particularly highlighting border security and the dramatic drop in border crossings over the last couple months. Now, those numbers had been on the
decline, including in the final months of the Biden administration, but they have plummeted, and the White House border czar was highlighting that
earlier in the day, saying that over the last 24 hours, there was about 178 encounters on the U.S. southern border, far lower than the upper thousands
when it was the Biden administration just a few years ago.
Now, in addition to that, the White House is also highlighting its deportation operation, saying that there have been 109,000 deportations
under the Trump administration. That is still lower than the same time last year under the Biden administration. But, part of that, according to the
administration, is that because there are fewer border crossings, therefore not as easy to repatriate those who are in the interior of the United
States, reflecting some of the challenges that the Trump administration still faces.
All of this, of course, coming against the backdrop of three U.S. citizen children who were deported with their mothers to Honduras last week. These
are two separate cases, one of them involving a four-year-old with cancer. And the lawyers for these families say that there was lack of due process
here, that they were removed with their mothers, without any chance of staying in the United States.
The White House border czar telling me, however, that it was the mother's decision.
HOMAN: If you choose to have U.S. citizen child knowing you're in this country legally, you put yourself in that position. You put your family in
that position. What we did is remove children with their mothers who requested the children be part with them. This is a parental decision,
parenting one on one. The mothers made that choice.
ALVAREZ: Now, later today, President Trump is also expected to sign an executive order cracking down on sanctuary jurisdictions and also listing
all of those that they say are not cooperating with federal immigration enforcement. Back to you.
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GOLODRYGA: Our thanks to Priscilla Alvarez for that report. And later in the hour, we'll be speaking with Sirine Shebaya, the Executive Director of
the National Immigration project. Stay with us for that interview.
Meantime, the first hearing in the Trump administration's historic clash with one of the nation's most prestigious universities wrapped up in a
Boston courtroom a short time ago.
ASHER: Yeah. It's a case where academic freedom, the future of higher education in the U.S., and just how much the government can dictate what
universities do are all at stake. Harvard is suing the administration over multi-billion dollar cuts to its previously approved federal funding,
calling them unconstitutional and flatly unlawful the Ivy League school. So, the White House demanded extensive control of university affairs,
including audits of its teaching. Oral arguments in the case are set for late July.
Jon Fansmith is the Senior Vice President of Government Relations at the American Council on Education. He joins us live now from Washington. Jon,
thank you so much for being with us. I just want to start with really what's at stake, not just in terms of this federal funding freeze and the
impacts on, for example, pediatric cancer research or Alzheimer's research or innovation in health care and medical care, but really when it comes to
First Amendment rights of universities in this country. Just walk us through what's at stake here.
JON FANSMITH, SR. VICE PRESIDENT, AMERICAN COUNCIL ON EDUCATION: Yes. Thank you for having me, and you've really hit on it. What's at stake are some
very basic principles about what it means to have a higher education institution in the United States, and Harvard's case rightly asserts that
what the federal government is trying to do here is take over the institution, and you touched on this.
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The federal government's demands to Harvard included things like dictating what could be taught and what were the ideological viewpoints of the
faculty who would teach it. Those are things that have never been acceptable in the United States. It's never been part of our education
system, which really prioritizes the independence of colleges and universities to enroll the students they choose, to form their classes, to
set their curriculum, to hire their faculty, to build the community that they want to be.
GOLODRYGA: Jon, what existing precedent are universities turning to the courts for an effort to overturn this executive order? Is there precedent
for a situation like this?
FANSMITH: It's an unusual situation, because generally you assume the federal government will follow the law, and what's been happening here is,
in fact, the institution is really going to the court and asking them to get the government to follow the law that's established. There is a couple
different meaningful statutes in play here, the Administrative Procedures Act, Title VI, the Civil Rights Act, which governs the claims around
antisemitism the administration has made, and all of those cases, the administration hasn't followed the law, hasn't followed the regulations,
hasn't followed well understood procedures. They really haven't provided due process to Harvard. And the harm is serious. It is, as we talked about,
pediatric cancer research, it is harming hospitals who partner with Harvard.
There is a real and immediate harm posed, not just to Harvard, the institution, but to scientific research in this country and a number of
other things.
ASHER: Talk to us about what First Amendment rights in this country actually protect as it pertains to universities, because here the
administration is essentially really trying to control every aspect of the way Harvard is run, as you touched on, who they admit, so who can receive
admission to Harvard, how they teach, who can teach it. What does the First Amendment protect here?
FANSMITH: So, the Supreme Court in the United States has consistently held that colleges should be given a great degree of deference in terms of what
they teach and how they teach it, and that's for a very good reason, right? The United States was founded on the idea of a democratic government free
from interference in a number of areas by the federal government.
What the federal government in their demands to Harvard put forward was things like having an outside third-party review all of their curriculum
for a viewpoint diversity, essentially saying, are enough of the viewpoints we want included represented in your curriculum? Are the faculty who are
teaching them reflecting those viewpoints as well? That steps way past the line of the First Amendment protections Harvard has and that have been
widely understood through Democratic and Republican administrations to be not just legal, but good for the country and good for the way we teach in
this country.
GOLODRYGA: Jon, we know that oral arguments in this case are set for July. What is the likely timeline for a case like this to be resolved? Court
cases can last months, if not years. Could we see a situation where Harvard, as they are going through the legal system here, has its grant
money frozen for months at a time?
FANSMITH: Well, one of the things Harvard will be asking for is for the court to expedite the process, as you pointed out, litigation, especially
as it winds through various courts, can take months or years. But, Harvard is at real risk. These funding freezes, these arbitrarily imposed funding
freezes, actually will have, as we talked about, a lot of damage on people who aren't Harvard's leadership and aren't Harvard's faculty. So, Harvard
will be seeking, and I don't want to speak for their legal strategy, but they made clear they need the courts to move quickly to address some of the
harms that this federal policy is imposing.
ASHER: All right. Jon Fansmith live for us there. Thank you so much. We appreciate your perspective.
All right. Still to come here, much more on the breaking news out of Europe, where massive power outage has hit much of Spain and Portugal.
Details for you after this short break.
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ASHER: All right. Welcome back to One World. I'm Zain Asher in New York.
GOLODRYGA: And I'm Bianna Golodryga live from London.
Here are some of the international headlines we're watching today.
ASHER: All right. Polls are open in Canada as voters decide who will lead the country through uncertain times dominated by Donald Trump's trade war
and threats to make Canada an American state. Liberals want to extend their nine years in power, while conservatives are campaigning on lower
government spending and deregulation of business.
GOLODRYGA: Tensions between India and Pakistan continue to rise following last week's massacre of 26 tourists in Kashmir. On Sunday, India carried
out naval missile tests that it said demonstrate its readiness for long- range strikes. Pakistan has denied any involvement in the Kashmir attack.
ASHER: Border czar Tom Homan says the immigration crackdown has had a huge impact on cutting down illegal entries into the United States. President
Donald Trump is expected to sign an executive order this afternoon targeting sanctuary cities not complying with federal immigration laws.
GOLODRYGA: A massive power outage has knocked out electricity across Spain and Portugal, causing chaos at airports, train stations and on the roads.
Play has also been suspended at a major tennis tournament in Madrid. Overhead cameras lost power and the scoreboard went dark.
CNN's Coy Wire has been following the story from Atlanta. And coy, this outage has disrupted the Madrid Open. What more can you tell us about that?
COY WIRE, CNN WORLD SPORT: Yes. The Madrid Open, we're talking one of the premier clay court tournaments of the year. It's in progress in the Spanish
capital. There is not many things that can stop Coco Gauff on a tennis court, but a power outage, that will do it. Coco cruised past Belinda
Bencic on Monday to reach the quarterfinals. And take a listen to the moment. The power went out during her post-match interview just a few hours
ago.
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COCO GAUFF, WORLD #4: Definitely had avocado toast. And what else did I -- oh, fruits. So that was pretty much it. It was an early start. I didn't
sleep that well last night. So, maybe I just need to, like, not get a lot of sleep.
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WIRE: All right. Avocado toast and fruit, noted. Coco, she realized the power went out mid interview. Of course, the audio cut out as well. Both
the day and night sessions have been canceled. The top two women's players in the world, Aryna Sabalenka and Iga Swiatek, were due to play their
fourth round matches later on Monday.
On the men's side, there is one match that was in progress and got interrupted.
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That was between Grigor Dimitrov and Jacob Fearnley. Now, you may wonder why the matched had to be suspended since this midday. Sun is out. Well,
the power goes out. The Madrid tournament is using electronic line calling instead of lines people. So, the power outage affects it. Additionally,
according to the ATP tour, a spider camera dangling over the stadium during the match between Dimitrov and Fearnley, of course, sport a very minor part
of this story, Bianna and Zain. Now, we do have to wait to see when play on the court and life off of it can return back to normal, hopefully sooner
than later for everyone affected.
GOLODRYGA: Yeah, I was going to say, it's not the top priority in terms of getting power restored, but you've got a lot of fans out there and they've
been waiting a long time to see these matches. So, hopefully, for everyone's sake, we can get the power back on soon.
Coy Wire in Atlanta for us. Thank you so much.
WIRE: You got it.
GOLODRYGA: Go eat some avocado toast fruit.
WIRE: I'm on my way.
ASHER: All right. Still to come here, more on the Trump administration's immigration crackdown. Hundreds of people deported over the past few days,
including three children who are U.S. citizens. We will speak to an advocate for immigration rights.
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ASHER: The White House border czar is defending the deportation of three children, who are U.S. citizens, over the weekend. Attorneys and civil
rights organizations say their removals underscore concerns about a lack of due process admin -- amid, rather, the Trump administration's immigration
crackdown.
GOLODRYGA: Tom Homan says the decision was made by the parents who were being deported as undocumented immigrants. The women and children were
detained as they attended routine meetings in Louisiana, according to their attorneys. The White House border czar says the removal of the children was
the consequence of their parents' actions.
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HOMAN: (Inaudible) kids. I had said from day one that if you enter this country illegally, it's a crime. If you remain in this country illegally,
and you ignore judges' order about deporting, if you choose to have a U.S. citizen child knowing you're in this country illegally, you put yourself in
that position. You put your family in that position. What we did is remove children with their mothers, who requested the children be part with them.
This is a parental decision, Parenting 101. The mothers made that choice. And I'll tell you what, if we didn't do it, the story today be Trump
administration separating families again. No, we're keeping families together.
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GOLODRYGA: Let's bring in Sirine Shebaya. She is Executive Director of the National Immigration Project. She joins us now from Washington, D.C.
[11:40:00]
Sirine, thank you so much for joining us. We should note that you got involved when you were contacted by the attorney for this family working
with -- for two years now, and I know you're on this case as well. It appears to be the talking point of this administration to focus on
Parenting 101, as we heard from Tom Homan there. Secretary of State Marco Rubio was asked specifically yesterday whether the parents or the children
who were deported, who are U.S. citizens, were given due process, and here was his answer.
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MARCO RUBIO, U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE: If someone is in this country unlawfully, illegally, that person gets deported. If that person is with a
two-year-old child, or has a two-year-old child and says, I want to take my child with you -- with me, well, then you have two choices. You can say,
yes. Of course, you can take your child, whether they're a citizen or not, because it's your child. Or you can say, yes, you can go, but your child
must stay behind. And then your headlines would read, U.S. holding hostage two-year-old, four-year-old, seven-year-old, while mother deported. So, the
mother -- the parents make that choice.
I imagine those three U.S. citizen children have fathers here in the United States. They can stay with their father. That's up to their family to
decide where the children go. Children go with their parents. Parents decide where their children go. The U.S. deported their mothers, who were
illegally in America.
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Q: Again, Sirine, the question asked of the Secretary of State, and I believe, of Tom Homan, as well as to whether or not due process was given
to these mothers, and they are not answering that question. They're focusing on Parenting 101, and these being parental decisions. Do we know
if due process was given?
SIRINE SHEBAYA, EXEC. DIR., NATIONAL IMMIGRATION PROJECT: We do know, and there was absolutely no due process in this context. And in fact, the
comments from Tom Homan and Marco Rubio are incredibly disingenuous. What was happening was clear as day. There were moms who were held without any
communication with their children. They were coming in for what they thought was a routine check-in. Both of them were not in the country
without options. They could have had legal options available to them if they had had a chance to consult with attorneys.
And on this parent thing 101 point, the parents on the outside were trying to talk to the moms on the inside. The moms themselves were asking to speak
with their families, and ICE was deliberately not allowing that to happen, so that basically they took two families, including three U.S. citizen
children and a fourth child. One of the kids had cancer. They did not allow them contact with the outside world. There were many requests for legal
visits. There were requests for consultations with family members, and there was also custodians who were able to take the U.S. citizen children
who were repeatedly making requests to do that, and all of those requests were denied. So, there is no better example of due process denied in this
extremely overt way than what was happening in those situations.
ASHER: Sirine, let's look at this from a bird's eye view, because some people would say, listen, if ICE can do this to these mothers and these
children, obviously these children, young children who are American citizens and essentially deport them, if ICE can do this to students who
are on college campuses, if ICE can do the same thing to Venezuelan migrants, deport them to a notorious prison in El Salvador without due
process, just walk us through who is safe in this country.
SHEBAYA: I think a lot of people are asking themselves that question, and the reality is that immigrant communities are feeling incredibly threatened
right now, and they are also feeling like there has not been even a respect for the legal boundaries that exist. It is not illegal to seek asylum. That
is a right that is guaranteed both in U.S. law and international law. It is also -- it appears to be this enforcement effort that is targeting
everybody, and the purpose of which, in fact, is to create fear in communities and a feeling of insecurity among immigrants with an agenda
that is more about anti-immigrant hate than it is about anything related to the circumstances that brought people here, why they are here. And I think
that both the U.S. citizen cases, but also all of these other cases that we've been involved with have been illustrating that.
We just last week were in court for a Venezuelan couple who had been targeted repeatedly by immigration agents, and judge after judge has found
that there was no cause for the targeting, and yet they don't stop. So, I think that we're just seeing an enforcement everywhere approach that really
is not distinguishing or taking into consideration the fear and the terror that they're creating within communities.
GOLODRYGA: Sirine, so what happens next to these -- specifically these three children who are U.S. citizens. As we note, one is a cancer patient.
There is concern now whether treatment will continue, now that they've been deported. What happens next?
[11:45:00]
SHEBAYA: Well, I think right now, the families are trying to take the time to have the conversations that should have happened while they were here in
the United States, and to figure out what they can do with all of the traumatizing circumstances they have been through. And then, from the legal
perspective, there is, of course, a pending legal filing on behalf of the two-year-old U.S. citizen that our organization is representing, and there
will be a hearing at some point in May. And in the meantime, we're kind of exploring all of the different options that could be carried out in this
case.
GOLODRYGA: We'll be following this story very closely.
Sirine Shebaya, thank you so much.
ASHER: All right. Back to our breaking news. The power is still out in much of the Iberian Peninsula. Let's bring in CNN Portugal's Phillipe Vieira
from the phone for us from Lisbon. So, Philippe, just start by just talking us through what happened, what you've been told by authorities, what CNN
has been told by authorities in terms of what caused this outage, and what ordinary people in both Portugal and Spain are experiencing right now.
VOICE OF PHILIPPE VIEIRA, CNN PORTUGAL: Hi, Bianna. Hi, Zain. So, what we know right now is this. At 11:30 a.m. local time, all of mainland Portugal
and Spain went dark. No power. That means that there are no trains. Airports are a mess. There is barely any air travel. No ATMs. Supermarkets
are closed. There is no gas. So, very little is actually working. Traffic is a mess, chaos. However, there is no confirmed reason for this outage at
this point. The Prime Minister spoke to reporters a couple of hours ago, and he said there was no confirmed cause for this outage. They are working
to restore power as quickly as possible. (TECHNICAL DIFFICULTY).
ASHER: Phillipe, can you hear us? Phillipe, can you hear us? All right. Phillipe Vieira --
VOICE OF VIEIRA: Hear me?
ASHER: Yes. We were having trouble with a bit of your audio there, but I think we're going to try one last time to get you to sort of explain to us
a little bit more about what's happening. We're essentially saying that trains were limited, that obviously there had been some chaos, but there
was no cause for concern in terms of a cybersecurity attack, as to why this power outage had occurred. But, just give us more context, if you can.
We're going to try again to listen to your answer, because obviously we were having issues with your microphone. But, just -- yeah. Talk to us a
bit more about what people are experiencing there.
VOICE OF VIEIRA: So, hoping you guys can hear me now. And the thing is, power and phone lines have been down for most of the day. So, for example,
in communicating with CNN Portugal reporters, our conversations have been able to last 15 to 30 seconds. Calls keep dropping. So, really what we're
experiencing in Portugal right now is very unreliable data connections, again, no power, which means that there are certain elements of -- there is
-- there are some elements of chaos in the main cities, and the officials are asking people to stay at home. Don't do any unnecessary travel, and to
remain calm, because they are hoping that by the end of the day today they'll able to restore power. Zain, Bianna.
ASHER: And Phillipe, just in terms of people getting home from work, just, how is that going? Because, as I understand it, they were asking people not
to drive as much on the roads because traffic lights weren't functioning the way they were supposed to. How are people getting home based on that?
VOICE OF VIEIRA: So, just imagine this. At this point in time, there are no working traffic lights in the city of Lisbon, and this is rush hour right
now. So, they're asking drivers to drive extra cautiously. But, Lisbon right now is -- basically the entire city is a traffic jam. There are cars
piled up on multiple entrances into the city, no easy ways out, no easy way in, and all of this, again, because there is no power. There is no signage.
Authorities are asking people to be calm on the road and to follow their direction, but rush hour is rush hour, and people got caught in the pile-
up.
GOLODRYGA: A city of more than half a million people without power right now. Hopefully power will be restored quickly. As you know, you have
civilians there that are directing traffic. It's no surprise then that authorities are urging people not to drive home at this moment. We'll
continue to follow this story throughout the day.
[11:50:00]
Phillipe Vieira, thank you so much for joining us. We'll be right back.
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GOLODRYGA: All right. Welcome back. Let's take a look at where the markets are this morning. U.S. markets are down just slightly. The Dow is basically
flat, the S&P 500 as well, down half a percentage point. The NASDAQ down one percent.
Let's go over to Europe, where we're seeing also similar, except the reverse, where everything is flat, but up in the green just slightly.
And now over to Asia, where they ended in mixed. So, the Nikkei up, Hang Seng, but were all pretty flat today. So, Zain will take it after the
roller coaster up and down, 300, 400, 500 percent points. We will take a quiet day.
ASHER: Yeah. Europe obviously being the opposite of what's happening in the U.S., but I like how you put it, Bianna, the reverse. And then, of course,
Asia being mixed.
All right. President Trump is not getting good marks on his handling of the economy. A new CNN poll shows more than 60 percent of those polled
disapprove of his handling of inflation, tariffs and the economy overall.
GOLODRYGA: Yeah. The economy has long been key to Donald Trump's political survival, but these numbers show his reputation on that score now may be
tarnished. For his part, the President says his policies will reap huge rewards if people are patient.
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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT, UNITED STATES OF AMERICASHER: We're going to be taking in a tremendous amount of money. We're going to be taking in a lot
of jobs, a lot of plants and factories. They're already coming. I mean, you see it, and we're going to make a lot of money, and we're going to cut
taxes for the people of this country. It will take a little while before we do that.
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ASHER: A speedboat that was trying to break a record, ended up flipping at the competition.
GOLODRYGA: Yeah. It happened in Lake Havasu City, Arizona, on Saturday. Take a look at this video showing the moment the boat went into the air,
flipping several times before splashing down in the lake, two drivers suffering injuries, including broken ribs. The 8,000 horsepower speedboat
carried -- a speedboat carried a team looking to break a speed record. Now, video of the drivers inside the boat showed it going 210 miles an hour
before it went airborne. The team posted on its Facebook page that it was glad everyone is safe. So are we.
[11:55:00]
ASHER: And finally this hour, thousands of runners competed along the River Thames in a -- in the -- I'm smiling at Bianna right now because --
GOLODRYGA: I was one of them, a glutton. Right?
ASHER: So proud of you, darling. So proud of you.
GOLODRYGA: It was --
ASHER: I wish you had photos to actually show it.
GOLODRYGA: I think we might. Here we go.
ASHER: Oh, there we have it.
GOLODRYGA: There is a fake forced smile. Actually, that was a genuine smile to see my husband at the end. That is the fake smile right now. It was
grueling. It was a record hot day, I think the fourth hottest in London Marathon history. I was joking that I could have gone to my parents in
Texas and run in this heat, but we got it done.
In the final 10 kilometers of the men's marathon, Kenyan Sabastian Sawe pulled back -- pulled away from the back. He finished the course in two
hours, two minutes and 27 seconds. In the women's race, Ethiopia's Tigst Assefa set a new record. She crossed the finish line in just two hours, 15
seconds -- 15 minutes and 50 seconds. I hope people weren't holding their breath waiting for me, because it was quite a bit longer before I crossed
the line. I didn't look nearly as happy.
ASHER: Listen, Bianna, we are so proud of you, like the whole team, Catherine, me, Imani, Camille, so proud of you. I mean, it's not -- it's no
small feat, right, 26 miles, and you trained constantly. You're such a hard worker. You've got so much grit and grace. You're so disciplined. You've
inspired me. I might, emphasis on the word might, try this one day. I don't know if I'm going to, but you are absolutely my inspiration. So, thank you
for that.
GOLODRYGA: Oh, well, thank you for the sweet comments. I put myself through that torture. I paid for it, my husband told me. So --
ASHER: How sore are you right now?
GOLODRYGA: Keep that sorry for me. Wait till I stand up. That's a different question. I'm OK right now, seated.
All right. There is more One World after the break. Thanks, Zain. I missed you.
ASHER: Thank you, darling.
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