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Israel And Iran Trade Strikes For A Fifth Day; Trump Disputes U.S. Intel Chief On Iran's Nuclear Capabilities; Minnesota Shooting Rattles Lawmakers In Washington; Families, Community Struggle To Cope Following Nebraska Raid; Trump's Popularity In The G7 Countries; Senator Padilla Delivers Floor Speech On Capitol Hill. Aired 12-1p ET
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BIANNA GOLODRYGA, CNN ANCHOR: Five days and counting, as military strikes continue, Israel said Iran is racing toward a nuclear weapon. According to
CNN exclusive reporting, that may not actually be the case.
The second hour of "One World" starts right now.
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everywhere.
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GOLODRYGA: A race against time. Right now, all eyes are on the Middle East.
We have a family. He had a family. He climbed the corporate ladder. He even tried to solve hunger in Africa. We'll, tell you how the Minnesota shooting
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GOLODRYGA: And we'll show you how local soccer community breaks the world record.
Hello, everyone. I'm Bianna Golodryga. You are watching the second hour of "One World."
So, will the fighting go on? Or is there any chance for peace? With the conflict between Israel and Iran dragging on for a fifth day, the world is
looking at the White House and hoping for more clarity on the U.S. president's intentions.
Donald Trump abruptly cut short his time with the G7 summit in Canada to head back to Washington early today. He said, he wants to see a quote real
end to the conflict and not a temporary ceasefire. He's expected to meet with his national security team today amid a new wave of attacks between
Israel and Iran.
Earlier, air raid sirens went off in Tel Aviv. Iran says that it struck an Israeli military intelligence center there. But it's civilians that are
paying the price in both Israel and Iran.
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GIDEON SAAR, ISRAELI MINISTER OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS: You can see here the results of the Iranian war crimes. The Iranian regime is targeting
civilians. They are targeting only civilians. You cannot find even one soldier, which is dead after their attacks. Only civilians.
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GOLODRYGA: In Iran, state media says a number of explosions were heard in the Capitol. The country's ambassador to the United Kingdom says Tehran
respects international law and does not seek an escalation of the conflict.
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SEYED ALI MOUSAVI, IRAN'S AMBASSADOR TO THE U.K.: Iran will resolutely defend its security and territorial integrity. We focus only on military
and economic assets involved in the aggression. Iran does not seek war or escalation, but we will not hesitate to defend our people, our territory
and our sovereignty.
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GOLODRYGA: CNN's Nic Robertson joins us now live from Tel Aviv. And, Nic, multiple missile strikes and launches from Iran against Israel today alone
in just the last few hours. But what is notable is that those some 350 missiles over the last five -- five days have been launched from Iran
towards Israel.
The latest few have seen a much lower number of missiles. How is that being interpreted?
NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR: Yes. And also not, for example, focused on Tel Aviv, where there's a possibility of hitting a
greater number of civilians and having a high civilian death toll.
You know, and it begs the question, is Iran taking that posture for diplomatic means? Or does it simply try to mix up what it's targeting? It
doesn't have enough weapons systems because the IDF has been successful in striking the launchers and striking some of the weapons -- weapons storage
facilities.
And even the IDF say, you know, partly we can attribute this lower number of incoming missiles to the effectiveness of the -- the IDF's campaign in
Iran. But he said there may be other reasons and that could be down to Iran.
But the picture that emerges is one of Iran, if you will, mixing up the tactics it uses, maybe not targeting Tel Aviv and maybe the number of
missiles down.
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But, for example, the strike that Iran claims hit an -- a military intelligence headquarters in central Israel, that came in daylight in the
relatively early morning. And that's not a tactic that Iran has been using. And it was just seemed to be a few missiles.
In fact, social media video that appears to be of that incident, appears to show four missiles impacting in a close proximity area. We know at least
one there set fire to a bus depot. The IDF said some landed an open ground.
And the IDF has now said that both civilian and military infrastructure has been hit over the five days of the conflict so far.
But I think it's difficult to read too much into perhaps this slight change in tempo. It could be natural in any conflict like this as both sides
maneuver to get advantage or maneuver to signal diplomacy.
We are getting some other statistics, which I think are worth - worth mentioning here. More than -- more than 15,000 claims have been made for
damage to homes. More than 1,200 vehicles have been damaged, destroyed. And more than 2,700 people forced from their homes.
So this is just in four days of the conflict so far. So it's actually having an economic as well as a military toll, as well as a psychological
toll. The sirens going off in the night, during the day, it's a real interruption to -- to -- to people's well-being.
GOLODRYGA: Right. And we should note that while the majority of the country, Israel has invested heavily in bomb shelters for its civilians,
unlike what is accessible for those in Iran right now, I believe about 10 percent of Israelis do not have accessible bomb shelters as well and there
is concerned about what happens if these strikes continue in the days and weeks to come.
Nic Robertson, thank you.
Well, U.S. intelligence has revealed Iran was up to three years away from being able to produce nuclear weapons, contrary to Israel's claim that it
would take less than a year.
Although Israeli strikes on Friday inflicted significant damage on Iran's Natanz nuclear site, U.S. intelligence has also found the attacks have only
set back Iran's nuclear program by a matter of months.
Zachary Cohen, CNN's national security correspondent joins me now live from Washington.
So, some conflicting data points there and headlines. Even DNI chief Tulsi Gabbard and Donald Trump, though she came out today and said they're on the
same page. Donald Trump was asked yesterday about this assessment and he sort of waved it off.
We know that Iran has enriched nuclear fuels to levels that put it within weeks of having fissile material for a bomb, but obviously there are many
more components involved here.
So talk about the dispute between what Israel may be saying. I had the former defense minister on saying yesterday that -- that this set back
Iran's program a few years, just these last five days. The Israeli prime minister said as much, but our reporting and your reporting suggest perhaps
there's other data that conflicts with that.
ZACHARY COHEN, CNN NATIONAL SECURITY CORRESPONDENT: Yes, Bianna, there just appeared to be some daylight between what the U.S. intelligence community
views as far as Iran's timeline for acquiring a nuclear weapon and what Israel has said, both privately and publicly, particularly the days since
those initial new round of airstrikes on Iranian nuclear facilities.
Look, this is something that our sources describe as an assessment that was before the latest round of strikes. And it said not only was Iran not
actively building a nuclear weapon, but that it could take up to three years for Iran to develop both the warhead or the munition part of a
nuclear weapon, as well as the delivery system.
And the delivery system is really the key part here. And that's the reason for the extended timeline. It would take longer. The U.S. intelligence
community believes for Iran to develop that delivery system in addition to the munitions and to the physical material that you alluded to could be
weaponized within days.
So look, this is really coming at a time and contrasts very starkly with what the urgency coming from the Israeli side. We've heard from Benjamin
Netanyahu who alleged that the Iranians were using negotiations with the U.S. to secretly work on building a nuclear weapon that obviously runs
counter to what Trump's DNI.
Tulsi Gabbard testified too in March. She said very unequivocally that the U.S. intelligence community believed that Iran was not actively working to
build a nuclear weapon and said the timeline for, if they decided to do so, was still a -- a ways off.
So Donald Trump again reaffirming and echoing what Benjamin Netanyahu, Israeli Prime Minister, has said about Iran being very close to a nuclear
weapon, but the intent and the actual timeline there remains really murky.
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GOLODRYGA: All right, Zachary Cohen, thank you so much.
And joining us now, Jonathan Conricus, he's a retired lieutenant colonel in the Israeli military and a former spokesperson for the IDF.
Jonathan, I don't know. There may be some more missiles that have been launched towards Israel. You may be getting some alerts. So if that's the
case, please do seek shelter and let us know.
But while we have you, just give us your assessment of the current state of play. Right now, we have the president making some rather eyebrow-raising
statements saying that -- that he would like to see a real end to this conflict right now and not just what's being interpreted as perhaps a move
towards a ceasefire.
How is that being viewed in Israel?
JONATHAN CONRICUS, FORMER SPOKESPERSON FOR THE IDF: Well, hello, and thank you for having me on. I think it's decision time for Khamenei, the Iranian
Supreme Leader. And after about three and a half, four days of trying to (INAUDIBLE) against Israel, what the Iranians seem to be asking for a
ceasefire so that they can continue to talk and stall negotiations and continue with some parts of their nuclear program intact.
I don't think that Israel is going to be able to understand the kind of oppression that Israel launched against the Islamic Republic is not
something that you call off after four days without completing your goals.
I think Israel is committed to now dealing with Iran's nuclear program. And I urge a lot of caution when trying to assess battle damage assessment to
the Iranian nuclear program. I think it's very early days for anybody sitting in Washington or even in Jerusalem to assess the situation and what
exactly has been hit.
I'm optimistic and I think it's a matter of time before all the components of Iran's nuclear program will be struck. And they were talking about the
program that has been going on for many, many years, lots of people, lots of facilities (INAUDIBLE).
Since Israel enjoys aerial superiority and freedom of movement to strike locations at will, I think it's only a matter of time.
GOLODRYGA: You mentioned that twice now, it's only a matter of time. How much time are we talking about? And is that going to be reliant upon the
United States entering the fray in some way, shape, or form?
CONRICUS: I think it is -- it will be affected by it because an American direct kinetic involvement can greatly speed up events, because the U.S.
has capability that Israel does not access. And they would be able to hasten the achievement of getting rid of the Iranian nuclear program.
And Israel has a lot of tools and I think Israel has shown quite a lot of (INAUDIBLE) on the air to do things that perhaps the Iranians didn't think
the Israelis would be able to do to input their (INAUDIBLE) to take down air defenses, to take down their missile launchers and to take out most of
their higher commandant, their military high command and many nuclear scientists.
So I think Israel has a few more (INAUDIBLE) for military surprises on its sleeves, if the U.S. decides, and that's of course a totally U.S. decision
based on, you know, America first and whatever the U.S. prefers.
But if the U.S. decides not to get involved kinetically, I think it will take a little bit longer and maybe more risk for Israeli troops in the air
and perhaps on the ground in order to get the job done.
But I don't think it will be going to back down and finish this without completing at least this goal of getting rid of the Iranian nuclear weapons
program.
GOLODRYGA: All right. Former IDF spokesperson Jonathan Conricus, thank you as always.
CONRICUS: Thank you.
GOLODRYGA: Well, turning to Gaza now, the Palestinian Ministry of Health says Israeli fire killed at least 51 people and wounded more than 200
others Tuesday who were waiting for aid trucks and Khan Younis.
It is one of the deadliest incidents reported in recent weeks. People killed while seeking out aid. An emergency officer at the World Health
Organization says the U.N. needs to be allowed to distribute that aid.
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ATHANASIOS GARGAVANIS, WHO TRAUMA SURGEON AND EMERGENCY OFFICER: We have all to be aware that the recent food distribution initiatives by non-U.N.
actors every time result in mass casualty incidents.
The United Nations know what has to be done in Gaza. We know how to deliver care. We know how to support partners. We know how to do our job. But to
make the very best of our presence here, we have to be allowed and facilitated to.
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GOLODRYGA: The IDF says the details of the incident are under review.
Well, still to come for us, the latest in the investigation into the shooting of Minnesota lawmakers.
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WENDY THOMAS, WITNESS: I was right next to him driving down the driveway.
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GOLODRYGA: We'll hear from the woman who caught sight of the suspect during the manhunt and alerted authorities.
Plus, the crackdown on food coloring. Why more -- more on why U.S. giant -- food giant Kraft Heinz is planning to remove artificial dyes from its
brands.
But first, how family members --
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RINA SALADO, DAUGHTER OF DETAINED WORKER: My mom came here to work. She's not a criminal. All she ever wanted to do is provide for her family.
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GOLODRYGA: How family members are coping following an immigration raid at a meatpacking plant in Nebraska.
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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I think the governor of Minnesota is still whacked out. I'm not going. Why would I call him? I
could call him and say, hi, how you doing?
The guy doesn't have a clue. He's a -- he's a mess. So, you know, I could be nice and calm, but why waste time?
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GOLODRYGA: That was U.S. President Donald Trump speaking to reporters saying that he's unwilling to talk with Minnesota's democratic governor
following shooting attacks on democratic politicians in that state over the weekend.
Meantime, we're learning new details about the aspect, Vance Boelter, who police say targeted lawmakers at their homes while impersonating a police
officer, leaving two people dead and two others hospitalized.
One of Boelter's roommates says he was increasingly pressed for money as his business is floundered and he was struggling to keep his lifestyle
intact. Boelter now faces six federal charges as well as state first-degree murder charges.
CNN spoke with Wendy Thomas, the witness who spotted the suspect and alerted authorities.
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THOMAS: I was right next to him driving down the driveway. I mean, not right next to him but, you know, parallel with him driving down the
driveway. And at the end of the road, um, an officer just so happened to be coming by. And so I flagged him down and he pulled into the driveway.
And I said, there is a person in the grassy area and he just went into the culvert.
LAURA COATES, CNN ANCHOR: What did the officer say?
THOMAS: He asked as much detail as he could in a brief amount of time. And then he told me to go down to the -- the Tower (ph) intersection and wait.
COATES: Were you afraid?
THOMAS: I was freaked out because as I turned the corner, I saw him again, squatting in that culvert. And I could definitely tell it was a person
because I knew had it been an animal, it would have been long gone. So that's when things just kind of started to piece together.
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COATES: When did it dawn on you that -- that you had just flagged down an officer who was then going to end this largest manhunt in the history of
Minnesota?
THOMAS: It didn't dawn on me then, I'll tell you that because I didn't think that he was in the area. And I thought, was it an animal? Am I
wasting people's time?
Those shootings in Minnesota have rattled elected officials all over the country including on Capitol Hill. Capitol Police and the U.S. Senate
Sergeant at Arms held a briefing for senators today to discuss security in Washington DC.
Our chief congressional correspondent Manu Raju has been talking to some lawmakers. And I know that there have been a lot of rattled nerves, not
just from what happened over the weekend obviously, Manu, but what has been building in terms of political violent rhetoric over the past two years.
MANU RAJU, CNN CHIEF CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes. And look, there's a real fear among some members about inadequate security that as they go
around the country and they speak at these events and whether or not they are adequately protected.
And that has been a discussion that has happened over the last several days increasingly some Democrats are coming on the House side. The House
Democratic leader Hakeem Jeffries asking for more funding to provide for member's security. That's also what has been echoed by the Senate
Democratic leader Chuck Schumer as well.
And in a closed door briefing today in the aftermath of all that I caught up with some members including the number two Senate Democrat Dick Durbin
who asked for more measures to be taken to protect members and also said that what's being done simply is not enough.
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RAJU: Senator, how would you characterize the briefing that you had just now?
SEN. DICK DURBIN (D-IL): Sobering.
RAJU: Why is that?
DURBIN: The threat -- the threat to public officials and families is very real and very widespread.
RAJU: Is enough being done right now?
DURBIN: No.
RAJU: What needs to be done?
DURBIN: Well, we're discussing that there's a lot being done that is not being reported and won't be reported, but there's more that has to be done.
RAJU: What if it did they give you an indication about what other actions are going to be taken?
DURBIN: No.
RAJU: Point of briefing?
DURBIN: Point of briefing was discussed was currently underway which is substantial and widespread as well, but it doesn't match challenges.
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RAJU: But there is a lot of concern among the members about the rhetoric just being so hot right now at this time in American politics. We've heard
some members and the democratic side including Senator Dick Blumenthal told me this morning that he believes he calls a MAGA rhetoric intensifying the
divide in the country that is something that Republicans have pushed back on Senator Josh Hawley.
I asked him about that comment. He said that, look, there's been violence on the left and the right and pointed to the repeated assassination
attempts of Donald Trump just in the past year.
And all this goes to show just a real concern among lawmakers, politicians of all stripes that we have seen this epidemic of political violence in the
last decade and a half or so since the Gabby Giffords shooting in Arizona in 2011.
And they know a lot more needs to be done. The temperature needs to be cooled down. But at the moment, there's no sign that that temperature will
in fact cool down, Bianna.
GOLODRYGA: Yes. And, Manu Raju, thank you so much for being with us. We'll bring you those remarks from Senator Padilla when we are going to hear them
shortly. Thank you so much.
Well, a source tell CNN that the U.S. Department of Homeland Security on Monday reverse guidance that it issued just a few days earlier limiting
immigration raids at places of work such as farms, hotels, and restaurants.
It comes after immigration authorities attained more than 70 workers at a meatpacking plant in Omaha, Nebraska last week. The raid left a community
stunned and families separated.
CNN's Ed Lavandera reports.
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R. SALADO: I wish I could hear her voice again.
ED LAVANDERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): These are the voicemails Rina Salado received from her mother.
As immigration agents raided the Glenn Valley Foods meatpacking plant in Omaha, Nebraska
R. SALADO: Right there, that's my mom.
LAVANDERA: That's your mom right there?
R. SALADO: Yes.
LAVANDERA: That's when she's calling you?
LAVANDERA (voice-over): Her mom captured in a social media video by another worker was one of more than 70 people taken into custody as they worked the
morning shift.
Rina Ramirez has lived in Omaha for almost 25 years. Her family says she's always worked grueling shifts in meatpacking plants since she came to the
U.S. She worked at the plant that was raided for 13 years but now her future here might be over.
LAVANDERA: Have you thought that she might not be coming back to this house?
R. SALADO: Yes. We know it's a reality. My mom came here to work. She's not a criminal. All she ever wanted to do was provide for her family get her
children ahead. And she was the most selfless woman I know.
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LAVANDERA (voice-over): We sat down with Rina Ramirez's daughters on the front porch of their Omaha home.
ZULY SALADO, DAUGHTER OF DETAINED WORKER: And I just started screaming, crying to think that they were taking her away just like made me feel like
I had lost everything.
LAVANDERA: It's been days since you've had your mom at home, what's that been like?
R. SALADO: It's just been empty. It's been -- it's been quiet.
Z. SALADO: It's been sad. And seeing all her stuff here is just --
R. SALADO: Yes. Very emotional seeing all her items.
Z. SALADO: And it hurts. And it hurts my heart.
LAVANDERA (voice-over): For several decades, immigrants have steadily moved into Nebraska, many coming to work in the agricultural industry and meat
packing plants that are a driving force of the state's economy.
It's created neighborhoods like 24th Street in South Omaha where blocks of small businesses have become the heartbeat of the city's Latino immigrant
community.
LAVANDERA: And this street would normally look like what?
LINA TRASLAVINA STOVER, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, HEARTLAND WORKERS CENTER: Busy, busy. No place to park. People walking up -- up the street.
LAVANDERA: Like this is strange. This is strange feeling.
STOVER: This is strange. This is strange.
LAVANDERA: It just sounds different.
STOVER: The eeriness of silence is sticking with me.
LAVANDERA (voice-over): Lina Traslavina Stover is the executive director of the Heartland
Workers Center, an immigrant labor advocacy group. She says immigration raids injected a level of fear she's never seen here before.
LAVANDERA: What do you say to those people who support what the Trump administration is doing and they see this and it's like perfect? They
shouldn't even be here anyway.
STOVER: I want people to find empathy perhaps for their -- their own ancestors that came as immigrants to -- to Nebraska.
So if you find empathy for your own ancestors, can you find empathy for the people that are coming in here that are doing the same thing?
LAVANDERA: We met 21 year old Ally. She asked that we not use her last name because she's worried for undocumented family members.
By her count, at least eight of her aunts and uncles were detained by immigration authorities in the last week. She says her family is terrified
and that many of her young cousins have had a parent taken away.
ALLY, FAMILY MEMBER OF DETAINED WORKERS: I don't know how my cousins are doing this and I feel so bad for them. And I wish we could do something to
change this. Because this is not a way to go about things they're humans.
LAVANDERA: You went back up there to get it?
R. SALADO: Yes. I saw the picture of it. Because I wanted anything that belonged to her.
LAVANDERA: After the raid, Rina Salado drove to the meat packing plant to get her mother's lunchbox.
R. SALADO: I opened it and she had these cinnamon mints. And I always hated that she hated cinnamon gum and cinnamon mints, but that day I -- I ate
one. And I don't know. It just -- it tasted so good. It reminded me of my mom.
LAVANDERA (voice-over): It seems silly but it was a piece of her because Rina doesn't know when she will ever see her mother again.
LAVANDERA: Immigration authorities at this meat packing plant say the workers use fraudulent identifications to get their jobs. The owner of the
plant told us that he was stunned by the raids and that he thought he had done everything possible to verify the legal work status of his employees.
But all of this only continues to raise fear, especially among immigrant rights advocates who say they expect these workplace raids to only
intensify in the months ahead.
Ed Lavandera, CNN, Omaha, Nebraska.
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GOLODRYGA: And still to come for us. President Trump makes an early exit from the big international summit in Canada. But how has he seen in the
rest of the G7? We'll take a look. That's next.
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GOLODRYGA: All right. Welcome back to "One World." I'm Bianna Golodryga. Breaking news just into CNN.
President Trump has just posted to social media saying, quote, "We have complete and total control over the skies over Iran." He also said,
"They're not planning," in his words to, quote, "take out the Supreme Leader of Iran, but they know exactly where he is."
Now, these posts come just hours after Trump arrived back at the White House, having left the G7 meeting a day early. Trump is expected to meet
with his national security team today.
And this also just in. The IDF says that it has identified a new wave of missiles launched from Iran toward Israel.
Well, Ukraine and NATO leaders are still in Canada for the last day of the G7 summit, dominating the talks today, of course, the Iran-Israel conflict,
trade and Ukraine.
One key member, however, is notably not attending, U.S. President Donald Trump, as we noted abruptly, left the summit early. The White House said he
needed to focus on the escalating conflict between Iran and Israel.
He was expected to meet with his national security council today. President Trump signaled early on that he would be leaving the summit.
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TRUMP: We had just a really great relationship with everybody. And I wish I could stay for tomorrow, but they understand. This is a big -- this is big
step.
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GOLODRYGA: All right. A short time ago, air raid sirens went off in Tel Aviv, as the Israeli-Iran conflict drags on now for a fifth day.
The U.S. President had a stark message for Iran. Here's what he told reporters earlier on Air Force One.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What specifically is better than a ceasefire? What are you looking for here?
TRUMP: An end. A real end. Not a ceasefire. An end.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So something that will be permanent?
TRUMP: Yes. Or -- or giving up entirely. That's OK, too.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you closer? Or is that even possible? Is that a possibility?
TRUMP: Why not? Certainly possible. A complete give up. That's possible. Yes.
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GOLODRYGA: Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy had been hoping to meet with Trump today as Russia ramps up its attacks on Kyiv.
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GOLODRYGA: Overnight, Russia launched its largest air attack on Kyiv in almost a year. Waves of Russian drones and missiles struck districts across
the Ukrainian capital, killing at least 15 people and injuring dozens more.
So the G7 summit will wrap up today without the U.S. President. How are the other members of G7 feeling about Trump's leadership? Who better to ask
than our Harry Enten, who just got off the phone with all of them. And they were very, very forthcoming to you, Harry, about how they're feeling about
Donald Trump.
It's a loaded question. Give us what the numbers show.
HARRY ENTEN, CNN CHIEF DATA ANALYST: You know, I just got off the phone with them, and while they would not tell me to disclose their feelings
towards Donald Trump, they did in fact disclose that they're big fans of you and "One World." So we were able to do a poll. It all worked out very,
very well.
Anyway, let's talk about why Trump faces or faced a tough room at the G7 Summit. And I think it just kind of comes all together right here.
Take a look here. No confidence in that Trump. We polled the other G7 countries besides the United States. This is no confidence that Trump will
do the right thing when it comes to world affairs.
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Look at this. You're looking at a super majority in all the different G7 countries besides the United States have no confidence that Trump will do
the right thing when it comes to world affairs.
What are we talking about? The bottom, we're talking about Japan 61 percent, the U.K. 62 percent. Then we jump up here. We see Italy 68, Canada
77. And then all of a sudden, look at that, France 78, 81 percent of Germans have no confidence that Donald Trump will do the right thing when
it comes to world affairs. Just 18 percent of Germans actually have confidence in Donald Trump.
Now, you see all these numbers here. You see a super majority, three-fifths or more in all these countries. How much have that number, these numbers
changed from a year ago when Joe Biden was the president?
And you can just see here, it's massively gone through the roof, Bianna. Look at this. No confidence the U.S. president will do the right thing when
it comes to world affairs. I've taken a median here of the non-US G7 countries.
And take a look here. For Joe Biden, it was 51 percent. Not particularly a great number, but it split 50-50.
But then you take a look on the Donald Trump and you can see this number here, 73 percent in the median G7 country that is not the U.S. That is a
22-point rise from where we were a year ago. Just 27 percent on the median, in fact, have confidence in Donald Trump's leadership when it comes to
world affairs.
Now, you know, we're talking about these different countries here. And I think it's important to note one in particular and it's Canada. Of course,
that's where the G7 was taking place.
Canada, traditionally speaking, has been a big ally of the United States. But, of course, there have been major issues, a major trade war going on,
major, major dislike that seems to be going on between the two countries now versus what we used to see.
And I think this question sort of gives the game away. Canadians are reducing reliance on the U.S. as a trade partner. Get this number, 91
percent, 91 percent of Canadians say they want to reduce reliance on the U.S. as a trade partner.
You rarely see 91 percent of Americans agree on anything. Let alone 91 percent of Canadians agree on anything. And then you see this number just
nine percent disagree.
Bianna, I'll put that in perspective. That nine percent is about equal to the percentage of Americans who think we fake the moon landing. That is the
percentage who disagree, at least Canadians who disagree. I'm reducing reliance on the U.S. as a trade partner.
So, overall, if I were to put one word on it when it comes to Donald Trump's popularity in the other G7 countries, it is low. It is low. It is
bad. I guess that's two words, low and bad.
But as I said, I got off the -- off the phone with all those other G7 leaders and their views of you are quite high.
GOLODRYGA: Harry, you're so good. You're so good at what you do, not only the numbers, but also making sure you get invited back onto this show.
ENTEN: I tried.
GOLODRYGA: So you'll be back. Don't worry.
ENTEN: I'll be back.
GOLODRYGA: You may be cut.
ENTEN: It was a little while in between, but there seems to be breaking news that seems to be happening every day. I don't know what that's all
about.
GOLODRYGA: You know, even with breaking news, we'll have you, Harry Enten.
ENTEN: Thank you.
GOLODRYGA: Thank you.
ENTEN: Bye.
GOLODRYGA: See you tomorrow, Harry. Bye.
All right. Time now for "The Exchange." Joining me is Brett McGurk, CNN's global affairs analyst and a former member of the U.S. National Security
Council, where he served as Middle East and North Africa coordinator.
Brett, it's so great to have you on, especially now, given the fast pacing developments that we are seeing in the Middle East.
I want to get you to respond to this post on Truth Social just moments ago from President Trump. "We now have complete and total control of the skies
over Iran. Iran had good sky trackers and other defensive equipment and plenty of it, but it doesn't compare to American made, conceived and
manufactured stuff. Nobody does it better than the good old USA."
How do you interpret that, Brett? Because to me, it doesn't sound like somebody who's eager to get back to the negotiating table, perhaps, but I
don't know. You're the expert here.
BRETT MCGURK, CNN GLOBAL AFFAIRS ANALYST: Bianna, it's great to be here. Harry's a tough act to follow.
But look, reacting to every Truth Social Post is fraught with challenges because one thing can change.
But look, there's a clear trend line here in the White House policy. I think it's very clear. They have said what they have done. They laid down
an offer to Iran that they consider a very fair deal on the nuclear problem. That was about six weeks ago.
Iran really did not answer, and in fact, escalated its program in response. And we are now, the Israelis have begun this military campaign.
So the White House has been very clear to Iran. Either go back to the table with the offer we put down or face the continuation of this military
campaign.
And what is new now in the last 24 hours is a very real possibility that the United States Military will act to take out the deeply buried Fordow
enrichment facility, which has 10 cascades spinning a very advanced centrifuges. So that's where we are.
I think what the President is doing in his statements today is reminding Iran, this is really coercive diplomacy in the extreme. Reminding Iran,
Iran, you do not control your skies. The Israeli Air Force is over your skies, can strike at will.
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The United States military is a very close partner of the Israelis. We are not, as far as I know, involved in any sort of offensive operations against
Iran, but we are helping to defend and protect Israel, but that can change.
So basically, Iran, onus is on you. Let's come back to the table, accept the deal that we put down. That's the off-ramp or else this is going to get
worse. That's the message I can see the president sending.
GOLODRYGA: Yes. And we know that the U.S. has moved more resources into the region. And technically, yes, these are American-made planes and some
equipment that Israel is using, but it is quite notable to have the president post "we." Not Israel is controlling the skies, but -- but we.
I spoke yesterday with former Israeli defense minister, Yoav Gallant, somebody I know you -- you know well and spent a lot of time with back in
the Biden administration. And he told me this yesterday. He said the U.S. has an obligation to assist Israel's operation in Iran, and that Trump now
has the option to change the Middle East and influence the world. The time for action is now.
And I asked him a bit further as to whether he thinks that Israel would have even launched this operation and this war without the concrete support
and backing of the United States, even opening the door that the U.S. would assist if need be. Here's what he said.
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GOLODRYGA: Is it your belief then that this would not have happened, that Israel would not have launched this war without the commitment that the
United States, if need be, would join as well?
Is the ultimate goal here to eliminate Iran's nuclear program with the United States assisting Israel?
YOAV GALLANT, FORMER ISRAELI DEFENSE MINISTER: Well, we are after the beginning of the war, the resolution has been made, and there is only one
option now to go forward and to accomplish the job. The job has to be done by Israel, by the United States, by the free world. We don't see why Iran
need a civilian nuclear energy.
They possess 11 percent of the oil and gas reserves in the world. Why do they need any kind of nuclear energy? And the reason is different. They
want to possess nuclear weapons in order to create hard money in the Middle East.
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GOLODRYGA: Brett, what -- what do you make of those comments by the former defense minister basically saying that the -- the job must be done now by
both Israel and the United States?
MCGURK: Bianna, if I can read between the lines of what Yoav is saying there, it is, again, it comes down to Fordow. Fordow, Fordow, Fordow.
Fordow has been a vexing challenge for the United States and our allies going back to in the mid-2000s. It was a secret enrichment facility that
they were preparing. That became public in 2009 after intelligence basically revealed it.
And since 2009, there's been deep concern that Iran will use that deeply underground facility to enrich uranium to weapons grade.
Now, the Obama era, JCPOA, actually had a clause that said no enrichment in Fordow for 15 years, so through 2030. When the Trump administration pulled
out of that deal, the Iranians began again to install cascades into Fordow.
And as of right now, according to the IAEA's most recent report, just last week, they have again 10 cascades of the most advanced IR6 centrifuges in
Fordow enriching the 60 percent uranium.
Fordow, Fordow, Fordow, because to do what Yoav Gallant is talking about, the U.S. military has the unique capability to destroy the Fordow facility.
We've known this a long time. This has gone multiple administrations. And so now, where are we?
The Israelis have basically, again, according to reports of the IAEA, over the last few days, they have done airstrikes at Natanz, another enrichment
facility, and have significantly damaged Natanz.
The Israelis have done airstrikes at Isfahan, which is a fuel conversion facility, critical to the fuel cycle, appear to have done significant
damage there.
Fordow is what remains untouched. And while the Israelis can take action against it, probably render it inoperable for a time, only the United
States can actually destroy that facility. So that's where we are, Fordow, Fordow, Fordow.
I think it will be dismantled. There will not be enrichment in Fordow, either through a diplomatic deal that is on the table, that Iran can still
take, or it appears the United States is putting all the pieces in place for a military strike on Fordow.
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And the risks of that operation are significantly diminished from what they were in the past. Number one, Hezbollah is basically knocked out, cannot
threaten Israel with hundreds of thousands of missiles from the north.
And most importantly, the air defense in Iran, as we just mentioned, is no longer operational. So therefore, it is a viable operation. It's a viable
option for the president. It is not without risk. These are grave decisions. I would obviously encourage caution, deep analysis, but for any
decision like that is made.
But clearly, there are two paths here, a deal that is on the table that will deal with Fordow diplomatically or a military strike. And what Yoav
Gallant is saying there is the U.S. military can do that far more effectively than the Israelis acting alone.
GOLODRYGA: And returning to the table for negotiations would require a rational leader and rational thought from the Iranians. So far, as
President Trump had said, he'd offered them 60 days. They didn't budge on that coming to the negotiating table in earnest, at least. So here's what
Israel did on day 61. It's true Iran has never been this exposed in the past 20 so years in terms of defensive vulnerability.
So if you were in that situation room and you were advising President Trump right now, all of these options have risk, which one do you think is the
best for the United States to take?
MCGURK: Best option here would be for Abbas Araghchi, the Foreign Minister of Iran, to call Steve Witkoff, President's -- President Trump's envoy, and
say, you know, Steve, I actually was re-looking at that offer you put down at the table six weeks ago. It's actually pretty good. Let's sit down.
We're going to take that deal. That's the fastest off-ramp.
Short of that, Bianna, I --I have to say, the Rubicon has been crossed here. This cannot end with the Fordow facility intact and those cascades of
centrifuges remaining. Because then you could have the worst of all worlds. You could have an Iran that is now more likely to move towards a weapon
with that infrastructure intact.
So it's either going to be a deal or it's going to be a strike. I think right now, actually what the administration is doing, I think is the right
play. It is coercive diplomacy. It's basically come to the table. Let's do the deal or else.
And that is an unfortunate point for the Iranians to be in. I have to say, Bianna, Iran has made strategic miscalculation after strategic
miscalculation from October 7th on. I've lived through this problem every day, every month. They chose to go in with Israel's enemies and basically
join a multi-front war against Israel. Huge mistake. Do not start a war against Israel. It will not go well for you.
And they chose in response to Trump's and treaties on the nuclear challenge diplomatically to actually escalate their nuclear program. Huge mistake. So
we are where we are.
And I think these are decisive days. And the president is in the situation room today. That's exactly where he should be.
GOLODRYGA: Because those most experts like you know that what would actually do the most damage to eliminate and set back Iran's nuclear
facilities and programs, especially there at Fordow are uniquely in America's hands with B2 bombers and the bunker busting bombs. We will see
ultimately what the president decides.
Brett McGurk, always good to see you. Thanks for coming on the show. We hope to have you back soon.
MCGURK: I'd love to. Thank you, Bianna.
GOLODRYGA: And still to come for us, a global food giant's plans to remove artificial coloring from its brands in the U.S. Why Kraft Heinz is making
the move? That's next.
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GOLODRYGA: All right. I want to take you to Capitol Hill now where Senator Alex Padilla is about to speak.
Last week, you'll recall, he was forcibly removed from a Department of Homeland Security briefing in California when he interrupted Secretary
Kristi Noem and tried to ask for a question. Let's listen in.
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SEN. ALEX PADILLA (D-CA): That we've seen masked federal agents in tactical gear ordered into our communities. We've seen a disturbing pattern of
increasingly extreme and cruel immigration enforcement operations targeting non-violent people at places of worship, at schools, in courthouses,
ultimate an arbitrary quota.
Now, we're seeing President Trump federalized National Guard troops and deploy them without the governor's consent. Active duty marines now being
deployed escalating tensions in our city. And it's important to note all this, without coordination with state and local law enforcement.
And despite repeated requests for the justification for these extreme actions, and after months and months of little to no response from the
administration on their aggressive and theatrical immigration raids, the Trump administration has done everything in their power but to provide
transparency to the American people about their mission in Los Angeles.
And so last week, I chose to go home to try to get answers from the administration as they are literally militarizing our city.
And I want to share what I learned. I want to share what I heard because it should shock the conscience of our country.
Now, one of the first items on my schedule last Thursday was a meeting and a briefing with General Guillot, the four-star general in charge of U.S.
Northern Command. Many of you know him.
The briefing was scheduled at the federal building in West Los Angeles where they're overseeing these military operations.
Now colleagues, when the United States military is deployed domestically, when our troops are deployed against the wishes of the governor, for the
first time since 1965, against the wishes of the local mayor, and even against the wishes of local law enforcement, both the police chief and the
sheriff, we are in unchartered territory.
So in my effort to do my duty to conduct congressional oversight and to try to get answers from the Department of Defense that state and local
officials were not receiving, I went to the federal building in West Los Angeles.
I was met at the entrance, at the entrance, by a National Guardsmen and an FBI agent who escorted me through security screening and up to a conference
room for my scheduled briefing.
While waiting for my scheduled briefing with General Guillot, I learned that Homeland Security Secretary Noem was holding a press conference
literally just down the hall. And that press conference was causing my briefing to be delayed.
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The thought occurred to me that, well, maybe I could attend this press conference and listen in. Just listen, in the hopes of hearing Secretary
Noem provide some new information that could help us make sense of what was happening.
I didn't just get up and go. I asked and was escorted by the National Guardsmen and the FBI agent into the press conference. They opened the door
for me. They accompanied me into the press briefing room. And they stood next to me as I stood there for a while, listening.
And at one point, the United States Secretary of Homeland Security said that the purpose of federal law enforcement and the purpose of the United
States military was to, quote, liberate Los Angeles from our governor and our mayor.
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All right. We've been listening to Senator Alex Padilla of California describing the moments and details leading up to his forceful removal from
DHS briefing last week in Los Angeles. There you see video of that when he was removed from the room where Kristi Noem was speaking and then
subsequently taken out and handcuffed there, as you can see.
We'll continue to monitor his comments and obviously everything that is developing so fast paced in the Middle East. We'll continue following it
all for you.
That does it though for this hour of "One World." I'm Bianna Golodryga. Thanks so much for watching. Don't go anywhere. "Amanpour" is up next.
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