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Israel And Iran Traded Fire Before Ceasefire Too Effect; Trump Heads To NATO Summit Amid Fragile Israel-Iran Ceasefire; Congressional Briefing About Iran Strikes Postponed; Trump: Iran Will Never Rebuild "Nuclear Program"; CNN Poll: Fifty-six Percent Of Americans Disapprove Of Strikes On Iran; ICE Reopens Detention Center It Said Did Not Meet Standards; Aired 12-1p ET
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BIANNA GOLODRYGA, CNN ANCHOR: The ceasefire between Israel and Iran faltered early on, and Donald Trump wasn't happy about it. The second hour
of "One World" starts right now.
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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: When I say, OK, now you have 12 hours, you don't go out in the first hour and just drop everything you
have on it. So, I'm not happy with them. I'm not happy with Iran either. But I'm really unhappy of Israel going out this morning.
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GOLODRYGA: Israel strikes a radar site in Iran, but stops in its tracks after a stern talking to from Donald Trump.
The Constitution gives them the sole power to declare war, and yet many U.S. lawmakers were left out of the loop. Democrats are pressing for
answers about those U.S. strikes in Iran.
And later.
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Hello, everyone. Live from New York, I'm Bianna Golodryga. Zain is off today. You are watching "One World."
It is 7:30 PM in Tehran, 7:00 PM in Tel Aviv, where a very shaky ceasefire between Iran and Israel appears to be holding for the moment. Iran's
president says that his country will not violate the terms of the deal unless Israel breaks the pact first.
Both sides traded missile fire in the hours leading up to the ceasefire. This is video from the streets of Tehran, residents of the capital
describing a terrifying night of attacks. And this is the scene from a southern city in Israel, where an Iranian missile slammed into a
residential building killing four people.
We saw a sharp and angry response from Donald Trump as the ceasefire appeared to falter. The U.S. president was unusually blunt, even for him,
as he left the White House to head to the NATO summit this morning.
On his way there, he worked the phones trying to preserve the peace. A White House source says Trump had a, quote, firm and direct phone call with
Benjamin Netanyahu urging Israel to stand down. And he used profanity to describe the way Israel and Iran have handled themselves.
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TRUMP: We have -- we basically have two countries that have been fighting so long and so hard that they don't know what the (BLEEP) they're doing. Do
you understand that?
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GOLODRYGA: And this is the Israeli town of Be'er Sheva just moments after an Iranian missile landed. It hit a residential building less than an hour
before the ceasefire went into effect. Israel says at least four people were killed.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There's a missile that directly hit one of the buildings. Direct strike on the top of the building. So, as you can see,
the building almost completely destroyed.
They were inside the shelter, but unfortunately, the nature of the impact, that was a direct impact of the missile to this shelter on the last top
roof of this building. So direct hit on this shelter, and unfortunately, the shelter could not handle that.
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GOLODRYGA: CNN's Jeremy Diamond has more from the scene of the attack.
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JEREMY DIAMOND, CNN JERUSALEM CORRESPONDENT: In the final hour before the ceasefire between Israel and Iran went into effect, an Iranian ballistic
missile slammed directly into this residential building. You can see the power of the impact of that missile that made a direct hit on this
building.
That column of concrete on the right side, just alongside the impact, that is where those protected spaces, those bomb shelters are located. But
unfortunately, on the very top floor, that bomb shelter, we're told, had three people inside who were killed because of the fact that this was a
direct impact.
One other person was killed just outside the entrance to this building. And that, of course, speaks to the tragedy of this, the fact that four people
were killed in Israel in the hours between when the ceasefire was announced by President Trump and when it went into effect.
And now we know that there is this ceasefire that has taken hold between Israel and Iran, but it is a tenuous ceasefire at that. And we've already
heard expressions of anger from President Trump directed at both Israel and Iran in his view, saying that both countries have violated this ceasefire
agreement already.
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But there's no question that President Trump was directing the brunt of his anger at the Israeli government. And we're told that he actually spoke with
the Israeli Prime Minister to tell him that he does not want to see any more Israeli airstrikes in Iran.
There weren't nonetheless reports of explosions in Iran after President Trump said that he didn't want to see any more Israeli strikes. So, some
uncertainty around that, but there's no question that the days ahead will be very fragile and a real test of this ceasefire agreement.
Jeremy Diamond, CNN, Be'er Sheva, Israel.
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GOLODRYGA: Well, President Trump is on his way to that NATO summit in the Netherlands. That's where CNN White House correspondent Kristen Holmes is
right now.
And, Kristen, we saw a rare sign of anger that, again, we never know what to expect from this president, but I don't remember the last time I saw him
that angry using such expletives talking about the situation right now and really giving everyone a sense of how much he has riding on this fragile
ceasefire deal, making it clear that -- that he wasn't happy with both sides here.
KRISTEN HOLMES, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Yes, that's right. Now, he is known for using that kind of language in private, but generally
saves it for private and not public, specifically not public in front of reporters on camera, but you could see just how angry he was.
You have to remember that this is a key part of what he believes his legacy is going to be, not the ceasefire itself, but what the ceasefire they
believe they be, the Trump administration will lead to. And they believe that it's going to lead to a new Iran nuclear deal.
Part of what we have heard from President Trump over and over again is that he wants to bring Iran to the table. They now believe with the ceasefire
that Iran will come to the table. And hopefully, Donald Trump will get the deal that he has been talking about now for months and promised while he
was on the campaign trail.
But there's also another reason for this for his anger, for his frustration. And that is because he's coming down to NATO right now. He's
in a flight. He was leaving. And this is going to be somewhat of a victory lap for him as he meets with these world leaders.
He posted a screenshot of a text message exchange that he said was with the NATO Secretary General that said that he -- Trump had done a really good
job, that he had made a decisive decision in Iran and praising him for that, saying that he's coming to NATO in a really good place.
And -- and President Trump has had his own issues with NATO world leaders and with the organization as a whole. He has a more go-alone approach. He
has always said America first, but also tends to not really understand the concept of why the United States is paying so much for defense in
countries, as he says, that are not related necessarily to the United States. He has been telling them he needs them to pay more money.
And actually, the centerpiece of this trip to NATO is going to be them signing, them being the leaders, including President Trump, a new document
that forges ahead with this number when it comes to military defense funding and raising that money where countries are going to put in five
percent of their GDP. And that was the number that President Trump himself had demanded.
So a lot riding on this, both internationally, both long-term legacy. But even in the short term, as he arrives here today as the backdrop.
GOLODRYGA: Yes, that five percent figure is a goal over the next decade or so. A number of countries have already signed on to that and expressed,
especially Eastern European countries, expressed desire to meet that goal. There is a bit of friction within the alliance there among some countries
about that.
But you're absolutely right. The president is taking credit for this push for an increase in defense spending among NATO members.
Kristen Holmes in the Netherlands for us. Thank you so much.
Well, there is still a lot of frustration on Capitol Hill over how the U.S. got involved in the Israel-Iran fight. Congress was supposed to get a
briefing from the Trump administration today about the attacks, but just moments ago, it was canceled.
Democrats say the Constitution makes it clear that Congress must be consulted before the U.S. goes to war.
Let's go to Capitol Hill and CNN's Lauren Fox for more. And, Lauren, do we know why this briefing was just canceled?
LAUREN FOX, CNN CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes. I mean, we are pressing sources on why this briefing was canceled with such short notice. These
briefings were supposed to take place first in the House of Representatives later today at three o'clock, then in the Senate at four o'clock.
And there has been a clamoring to get more information about what led to U.S. involvement here in Iran, as well as what the potential fallout has
been for U.S. national security, what was the impact on these nuclear facilities? There's a million questions that lawmakers have.
And there were already broad concerns that Trump had bypassed Congress in making this decision unilaterally to begin with. So, you can understand
that there's a lot of frustration right now on Capitol Hill and even more brewing given the fact that this briefing was now just canceled. And there
hasn't been really a broader explanation for why that has taken place.
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So, some frustration we expect we're going to hear from minority leader in the Senate, Chuck Schumer, in just a little bit. Perhaps, he will shed some
light on how he's feeling about this decision.
But just get a sense of what lawmakers were hoping to hear today from this briefing. Here are two lawmakers I talked to this morning.
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SEN. RICHARD BLUMENTHAL (D-CT): I am most concerned about our vulnerability to potential retaliation from Iran within the United States. This
administration has disbanded a number of the Department of Justice and FBI units that are responsible for investigating and prosecuting the right-wing
fringe terrorist or other kinds of groups that could use drones or other tools to make us more vulnerable.
SEN. TIM SHEEHY (R-MT): And hopefully get some of the classified intel that we've been told around the Battle Damage Assessment. So BDA has taken a
long time, daily imagery, night time imagery, hopefully its taking confirmation. So I haven't had any information yet of classified.
So hopefully we'll hear today that the BDA confirmed what we hope, which is the nuclear program is severely debilitated if not destroyed.
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FOX: And I think that last question that you are hearing there, that's a Republican Senator from the state of Montana, Tim Sheehy, really is kind of
the crux of what lawmakers were hoping to understand. What was the impact of these U.S. strikes in Iran?
Obviously, there are questions that lawmakers have about how this happened, whether or not they were successful. All of those answers are just going to
have to wait. It's not clear exactly when these briefings have been rescheduled for.
GOLODRYGA: All right. Lauren Fox on Capitol Hill, thanks so much.
One of the major questions still unanswered in the wake of the U.S. strikes in Iran is what Lauren just posed, how much damage was done to Iran's
nuclear capabilities? When it comes to Iran's most valuable enrichment facility, so far, we have only gotten satellite images that show holes in
the ground.
A former U.N. weapons inspector who has sources with knowledge of Iran's nuclear programs says Iran's centrifuges have been destroyed, but he
acknowledged that he does not know about uranium that Iran had already enriched to nearly weapons grade.
As for Donald Trump, he seems certain that Iran's nuclear threat is a thing of the past.
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TRUMP: Iran will never rebuild its nuclear. From there? Absolutely not. That place is under rock. That place is demolished.
The B-2 pilots did their job. They did it better than anybody could even imagine. They hit late in the evening. It was dark with no moon. And they
hit that target with every one of those things. And that place is gone.
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GOLODRYGA: So let's some perspective on the situation. We're joined by Karim Sadjadpour, senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International
Peace. Karim, it is good to see you.
And I can tell you at least from Israeli sources, they feel also quite confident that, A, the majority, if not all of the centrifuges were
destroyed in both the Israeli strikes and then the subsequent U.S. strikes from the B-2 bombers.
And then in terms of the 400 kilograms of enriched uranium, they also feel rather confident that it was not moved and instead is buried deep
underground in Fordow and under Isfahan areas that are basically impenetrable at this point and don't have easy access to.
So, as Prime Minister Netanyahu said, it does appear that Israel has accomplished the majority of it -- of its goals, though it did seem they
wanted to keep going.
What are you hearing from your sources about the questions that still remain?
KARIM SADJADPOUR, SENIOR FELLOW, CARNEGIE ENDOWMENT FOR INTERNATIONAL PEACE: Well, I've also heard from folks in the intelligence community in
the United States that they feel pretty confident that they know where this highly enriched uranium is located.
As someone told me last night, if we can assassinate the Revolutionary Guard commander or nuclear scientist in their bedroom, we know we're a 14-
truck convoy of 400 kilograms of highly enriched uranium went to.
So that -- that, you know, I should say is not exactly what Vice President Vance has said. He initially expressed concern that we don't know where
that is. But I think the second question is it's -- it's, of course, true that much of Iran's industrial size nuclear facilities have been decimated.
But do they still have scientists that have the know-how? Are they still able to assemble centrifuges?
And again, if they have some highly enriched uranium, there is a concern that some people have that, you know, if their -- if their priority now is
no longer to have an industrial size nuclear program, but just to move rapidly for nuclear weapons, that's something that they likely have the
capability to do in the coming years.
GOLODRYGA: Right. And we heard from President Trump reiterating today that Iran will never have nuclear facilities and never have nuclear
capabilities. And there are reports that the Iranian president now, during this ceasefire period, says that they are -- are now willing to come to the
negotiating table.
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And -- and I guess the question then becomes whether this weekend Iranian regime can survive without a nuclear program.
SADJADPOUR: You know, ultimately, like the Soviet Union that had hundreds of nuclear weapons or thousands, it wasn't able to survive its own
frustrated population. And in my view, that is going to ultimately be the fate of this Iranian regime. It's a regime which is politically and
socially authoritarian, has been an economic basket case. And it's a zombie regime. It has a dead ideology and it survives with repression. And that
can sustain you for many years, but not indefinitely.
On top of all of that, they have an 86-year-old supreme leader. So even if this Israeli and -- and U.S. military humiliation of Iran hadn't happened,
Iran would still be experiencing a looming political transition.
And the question is, you know, how does this war impact that -- that political transition inside Iran? Some are concerned. You know, many are
valid concerns that it perhaps has empowered the military forces in Iran. Whenever you introduce profound insecurity into a country, it's oftentimes
that plays to the strengths of the security forces.
GOLODRYGA: Is there a realistic prospect? I mean, you have described this. And as you noted, the 86-year-old supreme leader is holed up in a bunker.
You've described what is a Swiss cheese regime now that has been penetrated, infiltrated, as we know, and nearly decimated at this point.
There's paranoia, I would imagine, running through the higher echelons. Here's what's left of this regime.
Is there opportunity at all, given what I've just laid out, for ideological change, for, if anything, if they're grasping for survival, a change in
policy, both internal and external?
SADJADPOUR: So, as long as this supreme leader is steering the -- the -- the ship of state, there's not going to be any change, ideological change.
The question is, if he is shoved aside, either there's a popular tumult or some revolutionary guard commanders shove him aside, could you then start
to see potential change. And -- and that is certainly possible.
In my view, the last 46 years of Iranian history since the 1979 revolution have been in aberration, because over the last decades, it's been a -- it's
been a -- a revolution more than a nation, and that it's -- it's big slogans are death to America and death to Israel. They're not long live
Iran. It's not prioritized the economic interests, the national interests of the Iranian people.
And, you know, I -- I think that that is going to be the winning argument inside Iran. This is a population which is yearning to be part of the
outside world. So, whether it's a transition from revolutionary government to representative government, or it's a transition to another form of
autocracy, the continuation of this death to America culture of 1979, in my view, is a -- is a losing argument inside Iran.
GOLODRYGA: And Iran now doesn't have many friends or -- or those willing to come to their aid. We saw that meeting with President Putin and the foreign
minister, but those appear to be just words, not actions. And China also, notably, has not come publicly to their defense in -- in any sizable way.
What have the last 12 days done in your view in terms of the regional dynamic in the Middle East?
SADJADPOUR: Well, Iran has been totally humiliated. If you rewind to 12 months ago, Iran was dominating five Arab lands, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq,
Yemen, and Gaza. Iran's proxies have now been decimated. Hezbollah, its most important proxy in Lebanon, has been decimated. It lost its only real
reliable friend in the world, which was the Assad regime in Syria.
So the last two decades, in many ways, had been the access of resistance era in the Middle East. The big mistake that Iran made was overreaching on
October 7th. It was the only country in the world which praised and endorsed Hamas' attacks on Israel on October 7th. And that ultimately has -
- has led to their unraveling.
The big question now is, you know, the -- the -- the power in the Middle East has been significantly degraded. The big question now is the stability
of the regime itself.
GOLODRYGA: And what's the best way in your view, the most optimistic course, to maintain some stability?
SADJADPOUR: You know, what they have to do is to maintain elite cohesion. The -- the first sign of a regime unraveling is when you start to see high-
level defections and splinters. That's not yet visible to us in Iran, but these things can quickly happen.
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And when the population senses that -- that things are starting to unravel, then it can happen very quickly as the old saying goes, you know, gradually
and then suddenly.
GOLODRYGA: Yes. We had an expert on last week when asked about how the population feels about all this in Iran. And his first response was
abandoned. They were left in the dark, literally without shelter, and no information from authorities about what's going on and how best to save
their own lives.
So maybe that will sit with them for -- for a long time to come.
Karim Sadjadpour, thank you so much for joining us.
SADJADPOUR: Thank you.
GOLODRYGA: And coming up for us, Iranians take to the streets after their military fights back, following U.S. strikes.
Plus, how Americans feel about President Trump striking Iran's nuclear facilities.
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GOLODRYGA: Iranians poured into the streets of Tehran after learning their country's military launched missiles at a U.S. base in Qatar Monday. Iran
called the strike devastating and powerful but Qatar intercepted all of the Iranian missiles except for one and there were no U.S. casualties. Many on
the streets say their country still made a statement.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): We will die but we will never accept humiliation and we stand our ground here. We are not afraid of
bombings, missiles or anything else. We are defending our land, Iran.
And I'm saying it now you hit us, we'll hit you back again and again until you understand this is Iran, the land of lions.
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GOLODRYGA: Meanwhile, a new CNN poll shares a glimpse into how the U.S. views the conflict in Iran. It suggests 56 percent of Americans disapprove
of President Trump's decision to launch airstrikes against Iranian nuclear facilities.
For more on this, let's bring in our numbers guy, Harry Enten. Harry, so these are mixed numbers, and I guess sentiments from America because I
still recall when you came on this show and you laid out figures showing that the majority of Americans, both Republican and Democrat, were in
support of Iran never developing and attaining a nuclear weapon. So talk about how these numbers play in.
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HARRY ENTEN, CNN CHIEF DATA ANALYST: Yes. I think it's so important to note that question wording matters so much. And I'll also note this poll was
conducted -- the CNN poll was conducted on Sunday and Monday and now we have at least a temporary ceasefire. So, this is sort of changing in real
time, but I'll take you through the numbers at least as we see them now.
And then, of course, we'll see where we stand in a few days. So, I think it's important to note, we're looking at the net approval rating the U.S.
airstrikes on Iran. And we actually have two polls. We have the CNN/SSRS poll, as you mentioned in that intro.
Donald -- what we're looking at the net approval there is minus 12 points that 12 points underwater. We also have the Reuters/Ipsos poll, very
similar, nine points underwater here, two thumbs down.
And what's so interesting to me about this is historically speaking, Bianna, normally airstrikes, at least preliminarily, are quite positively
viewed.
What are we talking about here? Well, why don't we take a look here, the net approval rating of U.S. airstrikes on ISIS in 2014, remember that. That
was a little bit over a decade ago. Look at that. It was in the positive at plus 58 points. My goodness gracious. You compare that to the average here
Iran in 2025 and we're talking about 11 points underwater.
But, of course, this is preliminary, right? We'll see where we are in the days and weeks to go. But one thing that I think that is positive for
Donald Trump from these numbers is there's all of this talk, all the Republican bases divided. They're not really divided. They're not really
divided. What are we talking about here?
Well, the GOP on U.S. airstrikes in Iran, I mean, look, the Republicans are firmly, firmly behind Donald Trump on this issue. Look at the approval
rating here. We're looking at 76 percent. That's three quarters of the Republican base compared to just 18 percent of Republicans who disapprove.
So, you know, we hear all those talks about Marjorie Taylor Greene. We hear stuff about Tucker Carlson. But the bottom line is this, the Republican
base is firmly behind Donald Trump on this particular issue.
The American public obviously more split at least in our poll in the Reuters/Ipsos poll in the negative.
But again, this is preliminary. Let's see where we are in days, weeks down the line because as you pointed out and you're intro to me, if we looked at
the polling before the strikes, the vast majority of Democrats, Republicans, independence agreed that -- that Iran could not get nuclear
arms.
So, I think part of this may be that some Americans were worried that this would drag out further. If this is all there is, I think it's going to be
very interesting to see where the polling is a few days weeks and a month from now, Bianna.
GOLODRYGA: So these numbers, hands down, show that this is not Marjorie Taylor Greene's or Tucker Carlson --
ENTEN: No.
GOLODRYGA: -- party. This is very much Donald Trump's party. This is his MAGA base supporting him. And in his words, this is what America First
means.
ENTEN: That -- that -- that's exactly right. I think it's just so important. Yes, there are people with megaphones on either Capitol Hill or
Tucker Carlson, you know, on his podcast saying these things.
But the polling doesn't lie here. Every single poll that I looked at pre the strikes, post the strikes. The Republican base is with Donald Trump.
They believe him on this particular issue. They believe that this is America first despite whatever Tucker Carlson's saying. Tucker Carlson be
darned as far as the Republican base is concerned, at least when it comes to this particular issue, the Republican base is firmly behind Donald John
Trump.
GOLODRYGA: And somebody who is firmly behind you, Harry Enten is my mom who --
ENTEN: Oh.
GOLODRYGA: -- always messages me after our segments, telling me how smart you are and how much she enjoys your work. So, I just thought I'd relay
that to you. Never have to worry about Zhanna Golodryga and how she feels about you.
ENTEN: Let me just say to your mother, thank you for the kind words. I hope one day we can meet in person. And for now, I will just tell you, Bianna,
stay cool today. This heat is way, way too much.
GOLODRYGA: Way too hot. It is awful.
ENTEN: Way too hot.
GOLODRYGA: We got another day of this coming for us. Harry nice to be with you indoors in the cool ways.
ENTEN: Much better. Much better. I'll see you later.
GOLODRYGA: Bye.
All right. Well, in the wake of Saturday's U.S. strikes on Iran, protests sprung up around the globe.
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GOLODRYGA: This was the scene near the U.S. embassy in London on Monday with demonstrators demanding de-escalation in the Israel-Iran conflict.
In Athens, protesters gathered outside parliament before marching to the U.S. embassy to condemn America's involvement.
Now, in cities across Pakistan, there were rallies denouncing the U.S. airstrikes. Protesters also criticized their own government's recent
decision to nominate President Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize.
All right. Coming up, a shaky ceasefire between Israel and Iran appears to be holding for the moment after an angry American president lashed out at
both nations. What we've learned about a phone call between Donald Trump and the Israeli Prime Minister, just ahead.
Plus, a U.S. veteran is speaking out after he says federal agents beat and arrested his migrant father. We'll have their story ahead as well.
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GOLODRYGA: All right. Welcome back to "One World." I'm Bianna Golodryga.
President Trump has said to have been exceptionally firm and direct when he spoke on the phone with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu earlier.
That is according to a White House source who told CNN, Mr. Netanyahu understood the severity of the situation and President Trump's concerns.
Now, the President had been jubilant on Monday when he announced the ceasefire between Israel and Iran. And he was visibly angry as he left
Washington for the NATO summit at the Hague today when he believed both countries were violating the agreement.
Time now for "The Exchange." And joining me is Miri Eisin, retired colonel of the Israeli Defense Forces, currently a senior fellow with the
International Institute for Counterterrorism. Miri, it's good to see you.
And I want to get to this public frustration that we saw from President Trump directed at both Iran, but especially to Prime Minister Netanyahu in
just a moment. But if we can take a bigger picture look at what these past 12 days have meant, not only for the region, but obviously for Israel as
well, President Trump has called this the 12-day war, obviously comparing it to the six-day war as a reference point and a significant historic
turning point.
Can you put into context how history will look back at what transpired over the last 12 days?
MIRI EISIN, MARY EISEN, SENIOR FELLOW, INTERNATIONAL INSTITUTE FOR COUNTERTERRORISM: Bianna, I don't even know yet to be able to say what the
new Middle East will look like. But what we've seen is after the last 25, really 30 years that the Islamic regime of Iran was the one that dominated
in destabilizing and exporting capabilities, missiles, rockets, in using the -- the proxies and especially in threatening everybody with what they
would do, that's been shown as, I would even say hollow. It's been exposed.
And that's a new Middle East. There are going to be new different forces that are going to be the dominating ones. There's still a lot of rhetoric
out in the world. A lot of different countries and things are talking.
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But when it comes to action right now and that matters in the Middle East, this is a new world. The proxies are hurt. The Islamic regime has been
shown as hollow. And it isn't about Israel and its stance, it's more about that new change, an opportunity to be able to stand up against what had
been so dominating for so long.
GOLODRYGA: From what we're able to assess thus far, is Iran no longer an existential threat to Israel at this point?
EISIN: I'm sitting right now in my house. I haven't sat in my house for the last 12 days. I don't say that because I thought that they would drop a
bomb. If I thought they already had a nuclear bomb, this whole exercise would have been moot.
But I do think that I feel that what Israel has done in the United States and attacking the nuclear facilities is that they have changed that
existential threat. And it changed it in a way that it's both exposing it, making me feel safer. It hasn't changed the ideology. Let's be clear.
And I think everybody should be against that ideology, both the people of Iran and around the world. But it has changed the capabilities, the
missiles, the drones, the nuclear facilities, the different people who are constantly building this. All of these have been seriously degraded. That
makes a really big difference in my feeling here.
GOLODRYGA: Let's go back to that public ire that the president directed this morning as he was on his way to the Hague towards, again, as I said,
Iran, but also Prime Minister Netanyahu. We should note that many U.S. presidents have perhaps in private said as much, maybe not as much in
public, about frustration at times when they are assisting their ally, Israel.
And I spoke last week with Amos Hochstein, who was a top Mid East advisor to President Biden and who helped negotiate the Lebanon ceasefire that's
still in place right now. And he had basically, looking back now, a prescient comment that stood out to both me and Yonit Levi. I was co-
hosting her podcast "Unholy" when we had him on.
And here's what he had to say about some of the friction between Israel and the United States at times like these.
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AMOS HOCHSTEIN, FORMER SPECIAL ENVOY: And I'll say something a bit controversial, but in my mind, since Ronald Reagan, Israel doesn't have a
stop button. It goes. And when it goes, it just keeps going. And since Ronald Reagan, the President of the United States at every turn comes and
says, here's the off-ramp. And I'm mandating the off-ramp.
And every Prime Minister, right-wing, left-wing centrist, goes to his, whoever it is at the time, the military, the intelligence, his, you know,
extremist parties, and says, I'm with you, but these darn Americans are forcing me to stop.
And he's like, all right, fine, we'll stop and we'll do a deal. And that's been the case in every operation since the 1980s. This is a case where
there hasn't been a stop button. And so if there isn't one, where does it stop?
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GOLODRYGA: OK. Well, I think we just found out this morning that -- that there was a stop button. But as soon as I heard that from President Trump,
that exchange is the first thing that came to my mind. I'm wondering what your reaction was.
EISIN: When we were talking about it yesterday in Israel and today after the additional comment of the President, because there's been a whole
series that's been going on right now that we're all following here, first of all, President Trump is unique upon himself in the way that he puts
himself out in front and says things to everybody at once.
We all know where he is. And that's different. Usually as you said, it's behind the scenes. This isn't about saving face. In Israel right now,
there's no question that we're not in it just alone. We're in it certainly with the backing and assistance and involvement of the United States, but
also of other allies.
So, I'm -- I'm glad that there's the off-ramp. I'm also glad that we know how to do things that need to be done. And in that sense, I can say that
the 12 days were mainly about the Israeli campaign against the Iranian nuclear missile, different compound capabilities and the U.S. strike.
In the end of this, that off-ramp is that you have to end it somewhere. I never know of a good ending. And in this case, if it comes this way, I can
handle it. I'm in my house, as I said. When that came out, it was at the stage where Israel was about to respond in a stronger way.
And what that would have meant would have been more days of these exchanges of fire. And this off-ramp was definitely needed.
GOLODRYGA: Yes. And taking that off-ramp, Prime Minister Netanyahu, perhaps saving face and also the two don't have to be mutually exclusive, also
taking a victory lap with source saying that the majority of Israel's goals had been accomplished.
I do want to ask you about what happens next, because we had opposition leaders in Israel also very supportive of this operation, congratulating
Prime Minister Netanyahu.
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But Yair Lapid goes on to say today, now we must turn the military achievement into a diplomatic one to demand and obtain an agreement that
guarantees Iran will never be nuclear. We'll dismantle its missile program to bring the hostages home and end the war in Gaza to set Israel on a new
path.
And it's the war in Gaza that I'm wondering whether you think there is a real opportunity now to bring to an end, to bring the hostages home, to end
the fighting there, and have humanitarian aid delivered the way it should be to the civilians in need.
EISIN: Absolutely. And my heart goes out to those civilians in need. And I'll say the following. I'll remind everybody that just 24 hours ago, Iran,
in some way, whatsoever attacked into the land of Qatar. Qatar is where the heads of Hamas are hosted. I'm just adding that into the whole, everything
going on in that sense. They are interconnected.
I think that Hamas right now is more of in a corner. There's a difference between Hamas in the Gaza Strip and that leadership that sits in Qatar. But
I do think that this opens the door. That what it shows is that with this type of, I'm going to call it strong diplomacy, and I'm smiling at the end.
What President Trump does is very different, but bringing in a different idea, we need to end the conflict in the South. There is no happily ever
after. I say that very sadly in the sense, but there's no win-win.
Having said that, that still needs to be ended, both for the people of the Gaza Strip to bring home the 50 Israeli hostages that have been there from
October 7th, 2023, 20 of them still alive. These are things that need to be done.
And I think that the new situation, that new Middle East that I don't yet know to describe to you. And I hope that we'll be seeing it as we go
forward right now, that that new Middle East will bring its pressure on Hamas.
And, yes, there will be pressure on Israel, I'm not saying not, but that jointly we'll get to that very much needed resolution.
GOLODRYGA: Miri Eisin, always good to see you. Thank you so much.
EISIN: Thank you, Bianna.
GOLODRYGA: And still to come on "One World," with deportations in the U.S. skyrocketing, immigration and customs officials reopened a detention center
that was deemed not fit for migrant detainees a few years ago. That response, ahead.
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GOLODRYGA: The U.S. Supreme Court has allowed the Trump administration for now to go on deporting migrants to countries other than the ones they're
from, even if given little notice. That's a significant victory for the government. The ruling pauses a decision from a lower court that sending
migrants to third countries without due process violated constitutional protections.
In a dissenting argument, liberal justice Sonia Sotomayor wrote that the Supreme Court's latest ruling rewarded lawlessness, saying the Trump
administration had openly flouted previous court orders.
Meanwhile, a Marine Corps veteran tells CNN that he feels betrayed after masked federal agents beat and arrested his father. A warning that this
video may be hard to watch.
Alejandro Barranco says on Saturday the agents detained his father, who was from Mexico and undocumented, as he was doing landscape work at a
restaurant in Santa Ana, California.
Video shows the agents hitting Barranco around the head and the neck. Officials say Norisco (ph) Barranco swung a weed whacker at an agent's face
before the arrest.
Alejandro Barranco says that his father has no criminal record and that he was always a good dad who taught him to love the U.S.
Well, as deportations have skyrocketed in the U.S., a detention center that U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement shut down in 2022, in part because
it did not meet standards, was reopened earlier this year. But some are claiming the center is still not fit for detaining immigrants.
CNN's Randi Kaye reports.
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ABRAHAM SANO, ARRESTED FOR ROBBERY: I was at Glades for a few months.
RANDI KAYE, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): This is Abraham Sano. He's speaking with me from Liberia, where he's from and where he was
deported to in 2022.
Before that, he was in U.S. custody here at the Glades County Detention Center in Moore Haven, Florida. The facility houses ICE detainees, along
with inmates for the county and U.S. marshals.
SANO: If I had to power the close it down, as far as immigration law, I would close it down.
KAYE (voice-over): In fact, Glades had been closed down in a sense in March 2022. That's when ICE announced it would pause its use of the Glades County
Detention Facility, noting, "Any future use of the facility will be dependent on fully addressing any conditions that do not meet detention
standards."
Katie Blankenship was Abraham Sano's lawyer.
KAYE: How confident are you that those conditions have been improved?
KATIE BLANKENSHIP, IMMIGRATION LAWYER: I am 99 percent confident that they have not.
KAYE (voice-over): Yet in April, ICE reinstated its contract with Glades County. ICE told us via email, ICE determined that Glades can help, quote,
clear the backlog of illegal aliens in the country.
Abraham Sano recalled a time in September 2021 when he says he and more than a dozen others, mostly from Liberia, were attacked by the guards in
the middle of the night.
SANO: The first shot of pepper spray went in my ear, all the way down to my face. They just took them to the hole and put me in a shelf.
KAYE: So you were pepper sprayed and beaten up and then thrown in solitary with all of that pepper spray all over you, you're saying?
SANO: Yes. Yes. My body was burning for like days, because the pepper spray residue was still on my body.
KAYE: ICE wouldn't comment on camera, but told us that Sano refused multiple orders and a burst of pepper spray was used.
ICE also said that once Sano was restrained, he was immediately treated by medical and cleared.
KAYE (voice-over): Blankenship has filed more than two dozen complaints against Glades, along with a group called the Shut Down Glades Coalition.
KAYE: How would you describe what you believe was going on at Glades?
BLANKENSHIP: Gross medical neglect and racialized discriminatory abuse.
KAYE: Glades Detention Center is run by the Glades County Sheriff's Department. We'd like to be able to tell you what improvements they did or
didn't make since it was last in use, but nobody from the Sheriff's Department would speak with us. Telling us in an email, they were, quote,
not interested.
KAYE (voice-over): Weeks later, the Glades County Sheriff's Office sent another email, telling us it "remains committed to providing safe and
humane detention services to the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
Yet, we spoke with former detainees, including Michael Wallace from his home country, Jamaica, where he was deported to. He told us that the
medical team at Glades withheld his medication numerous times in 2021, leading to him having life-threatening seizures.
KAYE: You arrived at Glades with epilepsy medication, and they took it from you. Is that right?
MICHAEL WALLACE, FORMER DETAINEE: That's what they did.
KAYE: And then you didn't get enough medication to stop your seizures. Is that right?
WALLACE: Exactly what I've been.
KAYE: How did you feel not having your seizure medication when you were at Glades?
WALLACE: Not good. You know, not good at all. You know, sometime I get dizzy.
KAYE: You ended up in the hospital?
WALLACE: Yes.
KAYE: Blankenship says another previous client of hers, Rollin Manning, was exposed to carbon monoxide at Glades and nearly died in the fall of 2021.
ROLLIN MANNING, FORMER DETAINEE: I began to feel sick. I could not catch my breath.
BLANKENSHIP: He had to be airlifted out of Glades to Orlando to go through a massive detox system to save his life.
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KAYE (voice-over): CNN obtained this investigative report from the Glades County Sheriff's Office regarding that carbon monoxide leak. It found that
a staff member turned off the fan and supervisors failed to provide a safe working environment for detainees.
Abraham Sano told us he was denied psychiatric medication he needed, as well as high blood pressure medicine.
KAYE: And what was it like to not have your -- your medicine that you needed?
SANO: I was -- I was feeling sick. Especially my blood pressure, my blood pressure some days were extremely hot.
KAYE (voice-over): This is the announcement ICE issued when it paused its use of glades in 2022.
KAYE: And it says here in part due to persistent ongoing concerns related to the provision of detaining medical care.
BLANKENSHIP: The medical neglect is the reason I didn't feel confident that glades could continue operating.
KAYE: Were any of these claims investigated by the Department of Homeland Security?
BLANKENSHIP: Yes. Yes. Many of them.
KAYE: Were any of them resolved?
BLANKENSHIP: Well, the resolution per the Department of Homeland Security was to shut it down. That was their resolution.
KAYE (voice-over): When we asked DHS about that, a spokesperson told us via email, the allegations regarding Glades County Detention Center were found
unsubstantiated. ICE provides comprehensive medical care from the moment an alien enters ICE custody.
KAYE: DHS also told us in a statement attributed to assistant secretary Tricia McLaughlin that quote, ICE is regularly audited and inspected by
external agencies to ensure that all of its facilities comply with performance based national detention standards.
Now, the statement also says that in reopening the facility, DHS improve the food service commissary and installed tablets for detainees to file
grievances and to be able to make video calls to their lawyers and family members.
Now, CNN has not been able to independently verify any of this because ICE has refused us access to the facility.
Randi Kaye, CNN, West Palm Beach, Florida.
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GOLODRYGA: All right. Are those wedding bells or alarm bells? Both are ringing ahead of the nuptials this week of Amazon founder, Jeff Bezos, and
his fiance, Lauren Sanchez. They are expecting to have a lavish wedding ceremony in Venice. And not all seem to be thrilled by the idea of such a
star-studded event and so much attention thrown Venice's way.
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A lavish multi-million dollar event at some of the world's richest people will be attending, but the wedding is plagued by the looming threat of some
of those protests. One group rolled out a huge sign reading, "If you can rent Venice for your wedding, you can pay more tax."
Wedding planners say they are showing respect for the city. One American tourist had this to say.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Kind of with the locals, it seems like quite a bit of over-tourism, especially from the U.S. And, you know, if there's no local
support, it really shouldn't get -- the red carpet shouldn't be extended.
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GOLODRYGA: All right. Well, that does it for this edition of "One World." Thanks so much for watching. Don't go anywhere. I'm Bianna Golodryga.
"Amanpour" is up next.
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