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BIANNA GOLODRYGA, CNN ANCHOR: Hello, everyone. Live from New York, I'm Bianna Golodryga.
ZAIN ASHER, CNN ANCHOR: And I'm Zain Asher. This is the second hour of "One World."
Happening now, U.S. President Donald Trump meeting with Colombian President Gustavo Petro this moment, an apparent attempt to put aside their bitter,
year-long feud.
Petro is looking to counter Trump's narrative that he's not doing enough to fight drug trafficking. The Colombian leader also aims to have U.S.
sanctions overturned.
GOLODRYGA: Meanwhile, before this meeting, President Trump called on Republicans to, quote, nationalize the voting in the country. His
administration pushing to overhaul election ground rules ahead of a pivotal midterm race.
Now, all of this rooted in Trump's baseless claims that his 2020 election loss was fraudulent. Here's what the president told podcaster and now
former Deputy FBI Director Dan Bongino.
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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: The Republicans should say, we want to take over. We should take over the voting -- the voting in at
least many, 15 places. The Republicans sort of nationalize the voting.
And then we have states that are so crooked and they're counting votes. We have states that I won that show I didn't win.
Now, you're going to see something in Georgia where they were able to get with the court order, the ballots. You're going to see some interesting
things come out.
But, you know, like the 2020 election, I won that election by so much.
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GOLODRYGA: There are growing concerns around last week's FBI search of that elections office in Georgia. The director of national intelligence, Tulsi
Gabbard, says that Trump directed her to go to Atlanta for the search.
Now, sources tell CNN at one point, Gabbard put Trump on the phone with those FBI agents who carried out the search.
Let's start with President Petro's visit to the White House with CNN's Alayna Treene coming to us live from the White House.
So, this particular visit came about almost immediately after the capture of Venezuelan president Nicolas Maduro, when the Colombian president
initiated a call with Donald Trump and Donald Trump invited him to the White House.
Now, even since then, what's interesting is that the two leaders have traded barbs. And the Colombian leader is certainly not withheld some of
his thoughts about the U.S. President Donald Trump on social media. He's been very vocal about calling, for example, the capture of Nicolas Maduro a
kidnapping. He's actually called on Colombia and to take to the streets in Bogota as this meeting is taking place.
Just walk us through what the dynamic in the room is likely to be, especially given that politically, these two men could not be more
opposite.
ALAYNA TREENE, CNN WHITE HOUSE REPORTER: No, you're exactly right. And it's really unclear at this point whether this meeting is going to end on a
positive note or perhaps we could see some fireworks from it. I will say it is currently ongoing.
Unlike other meetings with foreign leaders that have been held here at the White House, this one so far has remained closed to reporters. So far, no
chance of us having the ability to go in and ask both, of course, President Trump but also President Petro some questions. We'll see if that changes
once this meeting wraps.
But look, we did hear the president yesterday say that he was expecting this to be a good meeting, that they had a good phone call last month, but
very, very different rhetoric than we had been really hearing for the majority of the past year or so, really ever since President Trump took
office for his second term.
I'd remind you that about a year ago, when -- when Trump was newly into office, one of the biggest fights that these two leaders had was about
deportation flights being sent to Colombia. Petro essentially refusing to them land until later they were able to work something out.
But there was really a lot of tension and -- and very strong, aggressive language and critics of both leaders being thrown at each other.
And then, once that was settled, you know, months went by, still having a very much tense relationship, particularly as he mentions, Zain, with a lot
of changing of these barbs.
And that only heightened when we saw the Trump administration really carry out their much more aggressive campaign of striking boats in the Caribbean
as well as in the Pacific.
We've heard Petro have very critical language in response to that saying that basically that he believed that that it is illegal.
And since then, we've also heard a ratcheting up of rhetoric from President Trump arguing that if he does not believe that the Colombians cooperate
with the Trump administration, particularly on an issue about drug trafficking and the idea of, you know, not cracking down enough on drugs
coming into the United States from Colombia, that perhaps the Trump administration will turn its sights on striking land targets inside
Colombia as well.
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As you can hear, I mean, that is just incredibly strong language. And those threats haven't necessarily been completely taken off the table despite
there being a bit more of a cordial relationship that has played out in recent weeks ever since the capture of Nicolas Maduro. So it's very much
unclear what we are going to see today.
Some other notable things as well is that Petro is actually visiting the White House on a temporary visa on a special visa right now, because the
Trump administration had placed sanctions on Petro as well as revoked his visa privileges back in September of last year because of these -- these
escalating tensions between the two countries.
Again, I think one of the biggest things is really going to be the focus of -- of whether or not Colombia is doing enough to crack down on drugs coming
to United States. We know from our conversations are great reporters who have been reporting on the scenes outside of Columbia saying that that is
really the goal of Petro today to try and convince the Trump administration that they want to cooperate on doing that.
GOLODRYGA: Yes. I believe to quote the president the exact language he used when things were at their most heightened tensions between these two
leaders was he better watch his ass. Clearly things have cooled down a little bit here and hopefully we'll get more insight into what has
transpired in any sort of tangible takeaways from this meeting.
I do want to ask you though, Alayna, about something else that that's quite shocking and dominating headlines from the president and that is his desire
now for nationalizing U.S. voting, something that for the most part, as far as the Constitution is concerned is unconstitutional.
The cons -- the voting, per the Constitution, is mostly governed by states. This is sacrosanct for Republicans and the president said this in a podcast
interview with none other than his former deputy FBI director.
Just talk about the fallout from those comments.
TREENE: I mean, just absolutely remarkable language for the president to be using, particularly as you mentioned on a podcast with his former deputy
FBI director, Dan Bongino, but also just in general.
Now, I will say in some of the early conversations I've had, I'm still digging into this. You know, there's -- a lot of people are saying don't
take too much. Don't take this too seriously. The comments that the president may have made flippantly perhaps on a podcast with one of his
allies.
But still, I think they speak to a through line that we've really seen over the president's last year in office and, you know, continuing now, which is
his deep distrust of the integrity of U.S. elections.
I know from my conversations with people in that building behind me that he still often complains that he believes he won the 2020 election. Obviously,
that's not true. Joe Biden won the 2020 election. And this idea that the elections were rigged against him, again, also no proven claims to show for
that.
I will say the timing of this is also very notable. You guys mentioned this earlier, but last week FBI agents seized ballots and other voting records
from the 2020 election center in Fulton County, Georgia. That was, of course, where there was a lot of disputes over potential fraud.
Tulsi Gabbard, the Director of National Intelligence was on the ground there. She said it was at the behest of Trump who had asked her to go. She
also put him on the phone. Our CNN's Kristen Holmes reported, put him on the phone while they're on the ground.
But there's other things we've seen this Trump administration do to try and exert some level of control and pressure on elections in the United States.
Another one is that the Justice Department has been demanding that several states, including Minnesota, turn over their full voter rolls as the Trump
administration works to build a national voter file.
Also, the president last year signed an executive order really trying to put more stringent requirements on who can vote. This idea of, you know,
for example, requiring documentary proof of citizenship and demanding that all mail ballots be received by the time polls close on election day. I
should note for this -- this executive order, some of that has been rebuffed in the courts.
All to say, we have to see if this is actually something that he means seriously. I -- we have been hearing from Republicans, for example, the
leadership on Capitol Hill, both Senate Majority Leader John Thune, as well as House Speaker Mike Johnson saying, they do not think nationalizing
elections is a good idea, again, to reemphasize the point that you both smartly made, that would be unconstitutional.
And also, it's just fascinating overall as well because Trump is, of course, a Republican and Republicans largely believe in decentralized
federal government. They believe that more power to the states is a good thing and states running these elections is a good thing. So that's also,
you know, part of the dynamic to all of this.
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But all to say, I think this language and the timing of it, of course, is notable as well. Given there are a lot of concerns about how Republicans
are going to fair in the upcoming midterm elections in November.
We are likely to hear more about election integrity, a lot more from this president as we get closer to that both, Bianna and Zain.
ASHER: All right. Alayna Treene, live for us there. Thank you so much.
In a few moments, we're actually speaking to Eric -- Eric Farnsworth, who was served in both the White House and the State Department on a discussion
on U.S. and Colombia relations, given the meeting that is taking place between both presidents right now coming up later this hour.
And at this hour on Capitol Hill, House Speaker Mike Johnson, is scrambling for votes to end the partial government shutdown. A House vote could come
as soon as today. Republicans can really, at this point, only afford to lose a single vote if it falls along party lines.
GOLODRYGA: Now, the Senate has already passed the measure and it extends homeland security funding for only 10 days. That's a concession to
Democrats who are demanding reforms to immigration enforcement.
Arlette Saenz joins us now from Capitol Hill with the latest.
And how is the speaker's quest here going in terms of having at least his caucus, his Republican members fall along party line?
ARLETTE SAENZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, this procedural vote to end this partial government shutdown is really at a very precarious moment right
now, as House Speaker Mike Johnson is operating with really no room for error.
The -- this vote has been open almost for 30 minutes. And so far, there have been two Republican notes on this procedural -- votes, that includes
Thomas Massie, a Republican from Kentucky, who often has voted against the -- the president and Republicans up here on the Hill.
But then also, Congressman John Rose of Tennessee. He has expressed some concerns about there needing to be a voter I.D. legislation attached to
this government funding bill in order to get on -- have his support.
Now, there had been some concerns heading into this vote about whether House Speaker Mike Johnson would in fact be able to corral his caucus. He
said that he was confident they would have the votes to get this across the finish line today.
But right now, it remains unclear whether he will be able to do that. There has been a number of conservative hardliners who have wanted that voter
I.D. legislation attached to any government funding bill.
There had been some glimmers of hope from some hardliners who had been holding out. But after conversations with President Trump, they had
indicated that they would vote to advance this measure.
So, we're still waiting to see exactly how this vote plays out in the coming hour. So there are two Republican no votes on that procedural, on
the rule for this government funding bill. We're still waiting for four Republicans to -- to vote on this. They haven't voiced which way they will
go.
But there is some wrangling happening on the House floor right now as leaders are trying to get people from the yes column.
In order for this to pass, they will need one of those no votes to flip to yes. This is a situation that House Speaker Mike Johnson has found himself
in time and time again as he has had to wrangle his conference, which is often a very divided and operating with a very tight margin.
So, we will see how this all plays out. But it's certainly right now is at a very precarious stage as House Speaker Mike Johnson is trying to get
these votes across the finish line.
GOLODRYGA: All right. Arlette Saenz live on Capitol Hill for us. Thank you.
ASHER: Many Ukrainians are struggling with dangerously cold temperatures and no heat after the biggest Russian bombardment of the year. Local
officials say that Ukrainian cities and energy grids were pounded overnight as the Kremlin resumed its night strikes.
GOLODRYGA: Yes. This ends a brief reprieve agreed to by Moscow and Washington. Right now, Ukrainians are facing bitter conditions with key
residents huddling under blankets in the metro.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy says, quote, take advantage -- taking advantage of the coldest days of winter to terrorize people is more
important to Russia than turning to diplomacy.
Now the attack comes as more trilateral talks between Russia, Ukraine, and the U.S. are set for Wednesday and Thursday in Abu Dhabi to try to end
Moscow's nearly four-year old war on Ukraine.
CNN's Clare Sebastian is following developments for us.
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CLARE SEBASTIAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): In the quiet of Kyiv's frozen streets, drone wreckage and disappointment after a night that
brought a brief and limited pause in Russian attacks on Ukrainian cities and energy facilities to a shattering end.
We heard people running down the fire escape. So, we got dressed, grabbed our documents and went downstairs.
Tatiana (ph) lives just two floors below where a drone hit this building.
It's clear that this is simply extermination so that we just give up.
Monday night saw the biggest attack in more than a month on one of the coldest nights of the war so far.
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VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY, UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT (through translator): We believe that this Russian strike really violates what was agreed by the American
side and there must be consequences for this.
SEBASTIAN (voice-over): Much of the damage we can't show. Ukraine has banned images of critical energy sites for security reasons. But hundreds
of thousands of Ukrainians again left without power and heating.
An air raid siren still audible as the NATO Secretary General joined President Zelenskyy in Kyiv to pay his respects to fallen soldiers.
His message to Ukraine's parliament.
MARK RUTTE, NATO SECRETARY GENERAL: But Russia attacks like those last night, do not signal seriousness about peace.
SEBASTIAN (voice-over): Hardly news to those taking refuge in the city's many emergency shelters.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): There's nothing to agree on because if Russia doesn't want to end the war, what can be agreed upon?
They're imitating the process of an agreement so as not to anger Trump.
SEBASTIAN (voice-over): Nearby, Tatiana Krajinka (ph), displaced by war to Kyiv three years ago, watches her two children attempt their schoolwork in
the dim red glow.
Of course, there was hope, she says, referring to the energy truce, but I understood what would happen when it got very cold.
With trilateral talks set to restart in Abu Dhabi Wednesday, no one here has much faith in diplomacy. All their efforts focused on surviving the
final weeks of winter.
Clare Sebastian, CNN.
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ASHER: All right. Resignations and remorse. The release of a new cache of files on the late convicted sex-offender Jeffrey Epstein is reverberating
beyond borders.
GOLODRYGA: Yes. Britain is really feeling the heat. Peter Mandelson, what - - was fired as British Ambassador to the United States, is now set to resign from Parliament's Upper House Wednesday.
ASHER: Yes. Earlier, Prince Edward spoke to our Eleni Giokos at a panel in Dubai at the World Government Summit.
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PRINCE EDWARD: It's all really important always to remember the victims and -- and who are the victims in all this?
ELENI GIOKOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Absolutely.
PRINCE EDWARD: A lot of victims in this.
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GOLODRYGA: Elsewhere in Europe, Norway's royal family is also in the spotlight. The Crown Princess is facing fresh scrutiny over her past ties
with Epstein, something she now says she regrets.
CNN's Melissa Bell joins us now live from Paris.
And, Melissa, this web of contacts and connections with high-profile officials from, not only the world of business, but -- but politics now and
even royalty around the world just continues to grow.
Just talk about how this is all playing out in Europe. Clearly, we have been reporting on this impact here in the States for months now.
MELISSA BELL, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: That's right. But I think what's happened over the course of the last few days, given just the
sheer size of the latest stack of documents that have been released by the American DOJ, has meant that it's taken time to pour through them.
And it's taken time for individual countries to understand what its citizens, politicians, royalty might have been up to and what their links
with Jeffrey Epstein might have been. And I think that explains why these reverberations are only coming now.
To begin with, Peter Mandelson, because he's the most recent this evening scalped in terms of the fact that beyond announcing that he was going to
see the Labour Party, we now understand he's leaving the Labour Lords, will be stripped of his title. So, we'll go back to being a humble Peter
Mandelson, no longer the Lord that he was.
There are reverberations elsewhere in Europe. For instance, we understand that in Poland, through Donald Tusk, we understand to his very voice, that
there will be a probe now looking into what links there may have been between the disgraced late financier and Russian intelligence. That is
something that the Polish state is now going to look into and try and figure out what was exactly behind those links.
Poland, of course, and its proximity to Ukraine. The first line there of any -- any Russian interference looking very closely at that aspect of
things.
But there are also the reverberations for the royalty of Europe. We've been speaking a great deal, of course, about Andrew Mountbatten, formerly Prince
Andrew, who as a result of these ties that were found and the latest pictures, sees his disgrace pushed further still.
There is also the case of Mette-Marit, the Crown Princess of Norway. She, in an unfortunate combination of circumstances, is seeing on the very first
day today of what's likely to be a seven-month trial into serious allegations against her son of involving allegations of rape as well that
he denies.
Even as that trial is beginning, we've been having almost daily revelations regarding her ties to the -- to -- to the late Jeffrey Epstein and the fact
that she spent time in one of his properties and had a very cozy and friendly relationship with him, all of which has come out in exactly that
week of the beginning of her son's trial.
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She's spoken now to those links that have been raised in the latest tranche of documents released, has spoken of her regret, her embarrassment as well,
at her connections with Jeffrey Epstein.
But she has also added that anything that he did wrong was solely his own responsibility. So taking a slight distance, even as she acknowledges her
embarrassment and regret. Zain and Bianna.
GOLODRYGA: All right. Melissa Bell, thanks so much.
The fallout definitely continues. Still to come for us, can the U.S. and the Colombian president put a year of traded insults behind them? We'll
look at the talking points and the sticking points as Trump hosts Gustavo Petro at the White House.
ASHER: Plus, the lunar mission delayed. Why NASA is putting the brakes on its newest attempt to get back to the moon.
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ASHER: After a year of tensions, Colombia's leader Gustavo Petro is meeting President Trump at the White House right now. The leaders have softened
their tones in recent week, but the cooling follows months of insults and threats between the two leaders.
Let's stay on this with Eric Farnsworth. He's a senior associate at the Center for Strategic and International Studies and served in both the White
House and the State Department as well. Eric, thank you so much for being with us.
So, it's a shame that this meeting is not on camera because I'm sure we all would have liked to have seen the -- the rhetoric that would have been
exchanged between these two leaders. And, obviously, they are diametrically opposed when it comes to their politics.
Gustavo Petro is certainly very much on the left and both leaders have a penchant for unpredictability and really just sort of saying what they
think.
It's an election year in Colombia. We know that based on some of the rhetoric we've seen on social media, he is really trying to sort of use
this meeting as a way to galvanize his base as well.
Just walk us through what you expect to come from this meeting. And how do we measure whether it's actually a success?
ERIC FARNSWORTH, SENIOR ASSOCIATE, CENTER FOR STRATEGIC AND INTERNATIONAL STUDIES: Yes. Absolutely. Thanks for having me on again.
I really see this meeting as an inflection point, a chance for both leaders to try to reset the relationship, but I think they both recognize it. Ran a
little bit too far over the last year.
And now after the events, next door in Venezuela earlier in January. And you mentioned the Colombian elections upcoming in May, both have domestic
interests. And I think they're trying to figure out how to work together.
And I think that's a really important point because for the United States to achieve its goals and for the administration to achieve its goals in --
in the Western Hemisphere, whether it's counter narcotics, whether it's democratic transition in Venezuela, whether it's some other things,
Colombia really looms large in that calculus.
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And I have to say, Colombia needs the United States for the success of its own goals in the same area as counter narcotics and -- and -- and peace
next door in Venezuela. So it's a mutual relationship. And I think both leaders are trying to get it back on track.
GOLODRYGA: Well, I mean, a small gesture the president could make is reinstalling his visa, because right now, it's been revoked.
And so he got a special clearance just to be able to come here to the United States for this meeting. We know Gustavo Petro came with gifts for
the president as well that include chocolate and coffee.
The president said that they're going to be talking about drugs, and he didn't get into many specifics about what that entails.
But to your point, does Washington need Colombia on its quest to continue fighting the drug and narcotic war that it -- that claims to be focused on
in Latin and South America? Or is the United States primarily using Colombia as a pressure point?
FARNSWORTH: Well, I think it's a fair question. But from my perspective, yes, the United States does need cooperative Colombia in large measure
because a lot of the coca that comes to the United States either originates or transits through Colombia.
And I think that's a really important point. It's a lot more difficult to try to interdict that product once it departs Colombia. It's a lot easier
to work with Colombian officials to try to address those issues as a source.
This has been a key part of U.S. policy on a bipartisan basis going back easily to the early 1990s, and it continues forward.
And I think what the White House has been a little bit frustrated with has been that under President Petro, the production of coca has increased. And
so it's been more difficult to get that under control.
And there are domestic reasons why that's occurred, but I would anticipate that that's very much going to be part of the conversation this afternoon.
ASHER: And just in terms of the tone that we expect between these two leaders. I mean, is it just going to sort of be about managing
disagreements, for example, or really trying to reset diplomatic ties between both countries?
FARNSWORTH: Well, you mentioned up at the front of the -- the discussion here that the discussion is actually happening off camera. And I think
that's an important point because it will lend itself more to a business- like meeting.
And I would anticipate that both sides are going to have some very direct asks in terms of their own interests. But you have to recognize that
President Petro doesn't have that much more time in office elections in Colombia.
The first round anyway will be in May. And President Petro can't run again, but he does have a candidate that he would like to see elected the next
president of Colombia. And so I think he really wants to get the relationship with the United States back on track because for domestic
political purposes, that matters.
And the Colombian people recognize the -- the -- the historic relationship with the United States. And frankly, the majority of them want that to
continue.
So I think that is very much going to play into the -- the calculus that the president is bringing to Washington today.
GOLODRYGA: If you were to guess, Eric, how much of this conversation is, do you think, dedicated and focused on what transpired in Venezuela and what's
going on right now in Venezuela with the United States working with Delcy Rodriguez?
And any potential concerns that Gustavo Petro may have that the same could -- could happen in his country, that the United States could, in fact, find
somebody in his own government, not a regime like we've seen in Venezuela, but nonetheless, another candidate to lead the country that the United
States finds that they could work better with than Gustavo Petro and obviously the candidate he's hoping will succeed him?
FARNSWORTH: Well, I think that the -- the topic of Venezuela will very much be centered in the conversation. It's directly relevant to both the United
States and Colombia for similar, but also different reasons. But in terms of the scenario of replacing Mr. Petro, I would give that very, very low
odds.
Again, there is an election coming up. Colombia is a strong democracy. They have done election after election after election. They know how to do it.
That's not in question. And I think that there will be a peaceful transfer of power in Colombia as it should be.
But the idea of Venezuela and getting that country back on track, Venezuela traditionally has been a very strong and important trade partner of
Colombia in terms of energy, in terms of trade, in terms of the population that goes back and forth.
Several million Venezuelans are right now in Colombia as refugees and Colombia needs international support to try to help integrate those folks
into -- into their own society.
So, I would imagine Venezuela will very much come up. President Petro has indicated he'd like to be a peacemaker in the context of going forward. How
do you get to elections in Venezuela? We'll see if the White House tries to take him up on that suggestion. I suspect maybe they won't. But the idea is
nonetheless the -- the relevant topic for (INAUDIBLE).
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ASHER: All right. Eric Farnsworth, live for us there, thank you so much.
All right. Still to come on "One World," astronauts will have to wait a little bit longer to get a shot at circling the moon. What NASA is saying
after a failed launch test, when we come back.
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GOLODRYGA: All right. Welcome back to "One World." I'm Bianna Golodryga.
ASHER: And I'm Zain Asher.
Testing failures set back NASA's newest attempt to get one day -- to one day get back to the moon. The space agency is delaying the launch of its
Artemis II lunar mission after conducting a wet dress rehearsal where hydrogen leaks and other problems were detected during the test.
GOLODRYGA: Yes. NASA is now targeting March for the earliest possible launch. The mission will send four astronauts on a 10-day journey beyond
the far side of the moon.
Time now for "The Exchange." Joining us now is former astronaut, Leroy Chiao. He's joining us from my hometown of Houston, Texas. Obviously, a
significant location and city as it relates to NASA and our shuttle program there.
NASA, as we noted, Leroy, said that this delay comes due to hydrogen leaks, a valve issue on Orion's hatch, and communications dropouts as well.
From an astronaut's perspective, are these routine setbacks or does something here sound a bit more alarming to you?
LEROY CHIAO, FORMER NASA ASTRONAUT: The -- the hydrogen leaks are the same ones or very similar to what was observed nearly three years ago in the
preparation for Artemis I launch, which went around the moon but did not have astronauts on board.
And so those problems were in the basically what we call the ground support equipment, the interface where the hydrogen flows from the tanks into the -
- the rocket, right? And so they've got to work those out.
They think they've got a process figured out where they can change the flow rate of the hydrogen to allow the seals to not get too cold, which was the
issue, but they've got to go ahead and -- and work on that.
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The valve issue on Orion itself turned out that the -- the team there had to torque the valve down to keep it from leaking. So that was a relatively
minor technical glitch.
And then the comm dropouts. Yes, the communication members of the test team were weren't able to talk to each other clearly sometimes. They had some
video dropouts too. Those are all problems on the ground.
That's the good news because the problems on the rocket itself, like I said, the -- the Orion hatch, that was a relatively small one and, you
know, everything else on the rocket seems to be pretty sound right now.
So, I'm pretty confident that we'll be able to get into the next launch windows, which occur, you know, just next month.
ASHER: Right. So that will hopefully be March and, you know, this would be a 10-day mission. And if everything goes according to plan, it's going to
fly about four astronauts, 10-day mission to the far side of the moon.
And if it is completed, if it's successful, it will mark the furthest distance that humans have ever traveled from Earth.
Explain to us how critical this mission is for space exploration.
CHIAO: Well, this is a step towards getting humans back on the moon. And so very much like Apollo 8 was the precursor for Apollo 11, you know, going
around the moon, so is this one.
This is going to go check out the Orion spacecraft in deep space with astronauts on board. So, they're going to test the -- or, you know,
evaluate the -- the life support system, the thermal control system, everything else. All the other systems on board the spacecraft with
astronauts on board.
They're going to swing around the moon. They're not going to orbit like Apollo 8, but they're going to swing around. And their arc is going to take
them farther into space than any humans have been before. And so that's kind of a cool little tidbit.
The -- there will be testing the heat shield, of course. There were issues with the Orion's --Orion Artemis I heat shield. They think they've got that
figured out for this one because they've changed the entry profile so that they won't get a severe heating as Artemis I saw.
So, I'm very hopeful that we'll see a very successful flight test and hopefully sometimes in a month or so.
GOLODRYGA: Yes. And it -- it's important that NASA keeps emphasizing that Artemis II is a test mission.
How do you explain to the public why delays like this are actually beneficial and providing more safety to space travel, to crude space travel
and that the more that these experts, engineers learn, get ahead of any potential problems, the better off it is for the program as frustrating as
it is that we didn't get to see that launch happen sooner?
CHIAO: Well, sure. We -- we all want success and it's a balance of, you know, how quickly can you go and how much risk do you want to accept,
right?
And so, you know, we thought we had everything figured out after Artemis I. They've been working on the heat shield for nearly three years and the
ground support equipment. Obviously, this test was designed to flush out any issues that remain.
And, unfortunately, the -- the issues we encountered were relatively minor, but we still want to put them all to bed before we really go and tank up
and get ready to go with astronauts on board. So that's why you see this conservatism, which is important.
We -- we seem to get complacent every 20 so years, you know, you see -- there's 20 years between the Apollo 1 accident, the Challenger accident,
around 20 years between Challenger and Columbia. And here we are 20 some odd years later after Columbia.
We don't want to fall on that complacency trap and think that everything's going to be OK. So I'd like -- I'd like that the team has taken the
conservative approach and said, look, we can delay a month and get all this hashed out and then let's go try it again. And that's exactly what they're
going to do.
GOLODRYGA: Yes. We just marked 40 years last week since the tragedy of the Challenger disaster in 1986.
It is frustrating for these astronauts when these shuttles get delayed, whether it's because of weather, because of technical glitches like this.
But as we know, sadly, from experience, totally better to be safe than sorry. And we shall wait for a safer journey in March.
Leroy Chiao, thanks so much.
ASHER: Thank you, Leroy.
All right. Coming up, a big shake up at the House of Mouse, Disney has just announced its next CEO.
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ASHER: All right. Let's check and see how the U.S. markets are doing, down pretty much across the board. Dow is down by a little more than half of one
percent. S&P down one percent. NASDAQ down nearly two percent.
All right. The World Disney Company is making some major leadership changes. It just announced Josh D'Amaro, who chairs the company's Park
Division will succeed Bob Iger at -- as CEO. Dana Walden currently the co- chair of Disney Entertainment will become company president and chief creative officer.
GOLODRYGA: Yes. Disney announced this accession plan earlier today. It ends years of speculation about who takes over when Bob Iger steps down from one
of the biggest entertainment companies in the world.
ASHER: CNN's Brian Stelter joins us live now. I mean, big shoes to fill with Bob Iger. I mean, this is -- this is the combination of a three-year
search. He's been a veteran at Disney for about 28 years or so. He ran the theme park division, but he doesn't necessarily have that much experience
when it comes to movies and -- and television.
How much of a hindrance might that be?
BRIAN STELTER, CNN CHIEF MEDIA ANALYST: Right. The test is now for Disney Plus, for the Star Wars universe, for all the other valuable Disney IP.
Will Josh D'Amaro be the -- the right steward for that going forward? And that's why it's significant that Dana Walden is on board. That even though
she was not given the CEO job, she's not leaving Disney. She is staying on board as his right-hand woman running the chief creative officer position,
running the creative parts of the business. All of those IP questions will be falling to her as well as to Josh.
But this is a seminal moment for Disney. And Disney is so big, it's almost like a nation state, you know, with theme parks and multiple continents,
one now under way, a construction going to get under way in Abu Dhabi for another theme park. Josh D'Amaro and Bob Iger were there actually just
about 10 days ago, surveying the site.
So, Disney continuing to want to expand and really doubling down on in- person experiences. Yes, he will have to be tested now with the movie theater business, with the television business. But it is so important to
have those rides, those character experiences, those cruise ship fleets in order to grow the business and deepen people's experience or their
affection for the Disney brand.
So that is ultimately I think why the board went this way knowing that even in an A.I. era when we're all glued and ready to do our phones, showing up
and getting on the ride and meeting Mickey Mouse in person is something that no other company can do quite like Disney.
GOLODRYGA: And yet, it was also a former park's head who had been named a few years ago as a successor to Iger.
STELTER: Right.
GOLODRYGA: You know where I'm going Bob Chapek, and -- and things didn't turn out quite well. At that time, Iger was still in the job, but he had
made public that this was -- who was going to succeed him. And there was quite a fallout between the board, between Chapek and Iger.
What is in place now to make sure something like that doesn't happen again, Brian?
STELTER: Yes. Back then, it was about six years ago, Iger struggled to give up control. He struggled to really say goodbye. He soon soured on his
successor Bob Chapek. He undermines Chapek behind the scenes. There was a power struggle and Iger came out ahead. He took over as CEO again.
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And now the spin from the company is, things are stable, things are in a better position. Here's what I hear from the Josh D'Amaro side. They say,
hey, he is studied under Iger. He's a lot like Bob. He knows exactly how to please everyone.
So this, you know, I think everybody involved is invested in this not going sideways the way it did six years ago, the first time Iger stepped side.
In fact, it's telling that Iger is not going to stay as CEO until December when his contract runs out. He's going to step aside in March to give Josh
D'Amaro more time, more breathing room to actually take the job.
So, a lot of people are going to be watching to see if it can actually work this time, this succession battle.
But I'm going to be watching to see, what is Disney three, four, five years from now? How do they navigate the A.I. era? Are they going to push harder
in a video gaming, for example? I think the answer is yes. They're going to try to figure out way to -- ways to use all of their valuable franchises in
new digital ways. At the same time, they're going to continue to open new theme parks around the world.
ASHER: All right. Brian Stelter, live for us there. Thank you.
GOLODRYGA: Thanks, Brian.
ASHER: All right. Let's take a look at some of the other business stories making headline this hour.
The Paris cybercrime unit has carried out a raid at the French offices of Elon Musk's social media platform, X, formerly known as Twitter. It's part
of an investigation focusing on the abuse of algorithms and sexualized images on X's A.I. chatbot, Grok. Both Musk and former ex-chief executive,
Linda Yaccarino, have been summoned to appear at hearings in April.
GOLODRYGA: China is banning hidden door handles on all cars sold in the country. The handles are a signature of Tesla vehicles but are also used by
other automakers. Beijing has cited the inconvenience of using the handles from the outside. And what it says is their inability to open after an
accident. The new rules come into effect at the start of next year.
ASHER: NVIDIA shares are down after a report that OpenAI is unsatisfied with some NVIDIA chip. The chip giant had announced plans last year to
invest up to $100 billion in the A.I. company. (INAUDIBLE) site sources saying OpenAI is not satisfied with the speed at which NVIDIA's hardware is
processing the ChatGPT requests and questions on certain topics like software development.
GOLODRYGA: All right. Coming up, my favorite story of the hour, the staff of Runway Magazine is back. We'll preview "The Devil Wears Prada 2" after a
quick break.
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ASHER: All right. American skier Lindsey Vonn says that she will compete in the Winter Olympics after a crash in the World Cup on Friday. She made the
announcement a short time ago, adding that her ACL had ruptured. The 41- year-old says she understands her chances are not the same as they were before she was injured.
GOLODRYGA: Man, she is tough.
We're also getting a sneak peek at one of the summer's most anticipated movies, "The Devil Wears Prada 2" hits theaters May 1st.
It has been 20 years, I can't believe it, since the original blockbuster came out. And now the full-length -- the first full-length trailer for the
sequel has appeared. Take a look.
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EMILY BLUNT, ACTRESS: Am I having a hallucination?
ANNE HATHAWAY, ACTRESS: Hi, Emily.
MERYL STREEP, ACTRESS: You also know her?
BLUNT: We were at runway at the same time, Miranda.
STREEP: Really? How was I?
BLUNT: What else funny is you've change you have. You're much more confident. Kept those eyebrows so, didn't you?
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ASHER: Oh, my gosh. I have so much to say, Lisa.
First of all, I can't believe it's been 20 years. Everybody in the cast looks exactly the same. I love the fact that they all reunited. You've got
Stanley Tucci there. And you've got obviously like the major stars as well. Not that Stanley Tucci isn't a major star, but Miranda Priestley as well
and Anne Hathaway and but --
GOLODRYGA: Emily Blunt.
ASHER: Emily Blunt, isn't it, too? But just in terms of the actual trailers, bizarre, because you have Miranda Priestley, the character, just
literally not remembering Anne Hathaway at all, which is interesting. Just explain what's going on there.
LISA RESPERS FRANCE, CNN REPORTER: Yes. People are super excited about them getting the band back together, but there's some confusion.
First of all, let's be clear that they are keeping, for the most part, whatever the plot is, under wraps.
So, all that we know is that the main -- the main points right now that we're aware of is that Miranda Priestley, which is Meryl Streep's famous
character, is butting heads. First of all, she's dealing with the way that magazines are not doing as well as they did 20 years ago. So let's start
with that.
But also, Emily Blunt, who plays Emily, who was one of her assistants, is now an executive that is rivaling Miranda. And so the fact that Miranda
can't remember, people are concerned, like, does this mean she has dementia? Did she have a stroke?
So, people are concerned because they love the old Miranda Priestley, right? The Miranda Priestley from the movie 20 years ago was tough as
nails. A lot of people believe that she was modeled on Anna Wintour. And so there's some concern among some of the fans that does this cause the
character to be less like she was before because she cannot remember. But as of right now, you guys, we don't know why she has this memory loss.
And also, people are complaining about the fact that they think that the trailer is very dark. And I mean, like, cinematically, they're comparing --
they're taking photos from the original movie to show how light and bright it was.
And they're comparing it to photos from this trailer. And they're like, everything looks so much darker and it just feels weird to people.
So it's -- it's interesting, you guys. I just want to see the movie. Like I -- people can complain all they want. I just want to see this new film.
GOLODRYGA: I know. Lisa, all of this is leading me to be very concerned --
FRANCE: Yes.
GOLODRYGA: -- that after the hit, that the first film was, the sequel will -- will not be as amazing and as memorable as most sequels, let's be
honest, aren't.
So, what are the reviews have we had any yet?
FRANCE: We have not had any yet because we just got this first full-limbed trailer. So, so far, people are just saying, you know, that their
expectations are that they want this movie to be enjoyable. They want to see how the characters have grown.
We see that Andy still has those eyebrows. That joke that Emily makes about Andy's eyebrows and Andy, of course, played by Anne Hathaway.
So, I think people initially were just geeked about the fact that there was going to be a sequel. Because as some of the stars have said, they had no
idea that this movie was going to become such a cultural phenomenon.
And, you know, 20 years later, there are still so many fans. And so there's the hope that you will get the fans of the original end, but you'll also
get some of the younger crowd who may have watched the original streaming, that they'll also come into theaters just to see what has happened to the
characters in the last 20 years.
GOLODRYGA: My daughter.
ASHER: Lady Gaga, is in it as well.
FRANCE: Yeah.
ASHER: But you brought up a good point, Bianna, about the sequels never quite matching up. I think one of the few movies where I have seen the
sequel match-up is Bridget Jones. Bridget Jones.
FRANCE: Oh, interesting.
ASHER: Every single installation, a smash hit.
GOLODRYGA: They've got some great actors in that movie too.
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ASHER: Yes.
GOLODRYGA: Especially the most recent one.
FRANCE: Right. And -- and we're -- the expectation. We know about Lady Gaga, but people also -- there have been reports that the singer Ciara has
been spotted on set. People think that Heidi Klum is coming back. She, of course, was in the original. Naomi Campbell.
But I got to say --
ASHER: Wow.
FRANCE: -- I want to see Anna Wintour in the sequel because she has now, since she is turning over the reins of Vogue, she's now come out to say
that actually, she thought the original movie was pretty funny. Initially, she was reticent since the Miranda character is based on her or believed to
be based on her, that she kind of didn't really want to say what she thought of the movie. She would often dance around it.
But now, she said that she went to the -- the premiere, dressed in Prada, not even really knowing what it was going to be about. But she said, you
know, Meryl Streep, like how can you argue with Meryl Streep? Because she's the premier actress of our time.
So, yes, I-- I want to see Anna Wintour in this.
ASHER: Yes. Gosh, so many stars.
FRANCE: Yes.
ASHER: Lisa, I have to leave it there, my friend.
FRANCE: Yes.
ASHER: Always good to see that smile.
FRANCE: Always great to see you.
ASHER: Thank you.
GOLODRYGA: Much more to discuss. Thanks, Lisa.
FRANCE: Thank you.
GOLODRYGA: All right. That does it for "One World" for today. I'm Bianna Golodryga.
ASHER: I'm Zain Asher. Appreciate you watching. And she'll be back after a quick break with "Amanpour." That's next.
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