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ZAIN ASHER, CNN ANCHOR: More questions than answers. American lawmakers suggest there are six men involved with Jeffrey Epstein who are being
protected by the redactions in the Epstein files.
BIANNA GOLODRYGA, CNN ANCHOR: The second hour of "One World" starts right now.
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REP. JAMIE RASKIN (D-MD): There's no way you run a billion dollar international child sex trafficking ring with just two people committing
crimes, Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell, no way.
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GOLODRYGA: The document drops are over but the Epstein story isn't going anywhere. Lawmakers from Washington to London are demanding answers.
ASHER: Plus, bridge dispute. Donald Trump threatens to block the opening of a new bridge between the U.S. and Canada.
Also ahead.
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CLARE DUFFY, CNN TECH REPORTER: So we're starting to get a sense of how all of these parties will be building their argument in this trial that is
really a test of whether social media platforms can be held accountable.
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GOLODRYGA: A landmark trial. Lawyers argue Instagram and YouTube made their apps addictive on purpose.
ASHER: And later, drumroll, please. Meet the drummer who's ready to make world history.
Coming to you live New York, I'm Zain Asher.
GOLODRYGA: And I'm Bianna Golodryga. You are watching the second hour of "One World."
And we start with the latest reverberations over the Epstein files in the U.S. and the U.K.
ASHER: Yes. And Washington, after pressure from lawmakers, the U.S. Justice Department un-redacted some more names in the Jeffrey Epstein files Monday
night.
One democratic lawmaker was able to go into the Justice Department and view un-redacted versions of several records says, DOJ has been in a cover-up
mode for many months.
GOLODRYGA: Now, the co-authors of the U.S. law that was supposed to limit redactions, Ro Khanna and Thomas Massie say powerful men are being
protected.
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REP. THOMAS MASSIE (R-KY): There is no reason in our legislation that allows them to redact the names of those men, as far as I can tell.
REP. RO KHANNA (D-CA): For Thomas and we has never been about getting Donald Trump or getting Bill Clinton or scoring political points or trying
to destroy people's reputations. It's about actually getting justice for these survivors.
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ASHER: Several members of Congress are calling for U.S. Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick to resign over his dealings with Jeffrey Epstein as well.
He was just asked about that during a Senate committee hearing on another matter. Here's what he said.
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SEN. CHRIS VAN HOLLEN (D-MD): Why do the Epstein files show you coordinating a meeting and planning a visit with Jeffrey Epstein on his
private island in December of 2012?
HOWARD LUTNICK, U.S. COMMERCE SECRETARY: I met Jeffrey Epstein when he moved -- when I moved to a house next door to him in New York. And -- and -
- I met him then.
Over the next 14 years, I met him two other times that I can recall.
Probably the total and you've seen all of these documents, of these millions and millions of documents. There may be 10 emails connecting me
with him. Probably about 10 emails connecting me with him over a 14-year period.
I did not have any relationship with him. I barely had anything to do with that person, OK?
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GOLODRYGA: Survivors of Jeffrey Epstein's abuse appearing with the U.S. Senate democratic leader just a short time ago. They are pushing for
legislation to end the statute of limitations on prosecuting sex trafficking.
Schumer argues that given the scale and magnitude of Epstein's crimes, justice should not expire.
ASHER: Across the pond in the U.K., Prime Minister Keir Stammer is fighting to hold on to his job amid calls for him to resign.
For now, his party though is rallying behind him amid a fierce backlash over his decision in 2024 to make Peter Mandelson, the U.K.'s ambassador to
the U.S. despite his ties to Jeffrey Epstein.
GOLODRYGA: And separately, King Charles put out an extraordinary statement saying that he's ready to support police in any investigations into his
brother, the former Prince Andrew.
CNN's Nada Bashir joins us now from London with the fallout in the U.K. So, Nada, Keir Starmer is defiant, saying that he is not stepping down. His
party remains supportive for now.
But polling suggests that he may not have the support of the British public as a whole. And still so many questions about the fallout for the royal
family as well. You've been very busy reporting at all. What are the latest news?
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NADA BASHIR, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That's right. And if we had talked yesterday, of course, the questions were on whether Keir Starmer would
remain in his position or step down. It felt at the time as though the Labour Party had been plunged into an irreversible crisis and momentum had
been building on call to him to step down.
But it does appear as though the British prime minister has managed to shore up that crucial support from his Labour Party following a closed-door
meeting yesterday with the party members in which reporters say that there were multiple rounds of applause and ovation for the British prime minister
and his vision going forward for the Labour Party, but also his commitment to stay in the role of prime minister despite the fallout of the Epstein
crisis.
And, of course, the prime minister himself has expressed his regret over the decision to appoint Peter Mandelson and to the role of ambassador,
despite his known links and relationship with the convicted sex offender, Jeffrey Epstein.
And we have seen the fallout, of course, being felt within number 10, his chief of staff, Morgan McSweeney, stepping down from the role, saying the
decision to appoint Mandelson was wrong, that he had caused damage to the party, to the country and to trust in politics itself.
And we've seen Starmer's chief of communication stepping down, as well the fourth in less than a year to leave Downing administration.
Of course, yesterday, we had that quite resigning statements from the Labour, Scottish Labour Party leader saying, it is time for Starmer to step
down.
But it does appear as though he has managed to hold on to get that all- important support from his senior party members. And, of course, he has expressed his wish and vow to stay in the role. Take a listen.
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KEIR STARMER, U.K. PRIME MINISTER: People, in recent days, who say the Labour government should have a different fight, a fight with itself,
instead of a fight for the millions of people who need us to fight for them.
And I say to them, I will never walk away from the mandate I was given to change this country. I will never walk away from the people that I'm in
charge with fighting for. And I will never walk away from the country that I love.
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BASHIR: And, of course, there continues to be criticism from opposition, politicians calling this a distraction from the goals that the Labour Party
had set out, the all-important mission, of course, of leading the country into a better future.
But clearly, he has managed to get that support from his Labour Party at this stage, whether we see any further backlash from further revelations
over the Epstein files remains to be seen.
ASHER: Another royal family that is weathering the storm as well is the royal family in Norway. The crown princess there has been criticized by the
Norwegian public over her ties to Jeffrey Epstein.
And now, we are learning about two Norwegian diplomats as well who are being investigated by police in Norway to see if there were any criminal
activity that occurred because of their ties to Jeffrey Epstein too, Nada. Walk us through that.
BASHIR: That's right. We are seeing now backlash growing over the ties between the Norwegian Crown Princess, Mette-Marit, over her association and
close relationship with Jeffrey Epstein.
The DOJ files that have been released show extensive communications and correspondence between the two. And she has issued a statement saying --
and I'll read just a part of this. It is important for me to apologize to all of you that I have disappointed. Some of the content of the messages
between Epstein and I does not represent the person I want to be.
And what we have seen in response is charities now trying to cut their ties with the crown princess. We have seen in media in Norway and, of course,
some other politicians questioning the potential and future role of the crown princess as a potential future queen of the country.
It has suitability for that role given the clear evidence of her extensive ties with Jeffrey Epstein. And, of course, this isn't just centered around
the royal family anymore. We have seen politicians, diplomats being implicated, including the former Norwegian prime minister and an ambassador
who has been investigated over their links to the convicted sex offender as well.
ASHER: All right. Nada Bashir, live for us there. Thank you so much.
GOLODRYGA: Unprofessional goons who are running roughshod over Americans right now. That is how the ranking member on the House Homeland Security
Committee is describing the behavior of U.S. immigration agents.
ASHER: Yes. Top immigration officials are testifying on Capitol Hill right now. Their testimony comes after two U.S. citizens were shot dead by
federal agents in Minneapolis in January.
The acting director of ICE, Todd Lyons, wouldn't say how many agents have been fired for conduct, but he defended their actions and said, they are
restoring integrity to the immigration system.
GOLODRYGA: CNN's Sunlen Serfaty joins us now live on Capitol Hill. Sunlen, things got quite heated for the most part down party lines.
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But it was interesting to hear Mike McCaul, Republican, also criticize some of the behavior of ICE agents, especially under their former -- the man who
was running the department until he was pushed out by President Trump.
Can you talk about what we've heard thus far?
SUNLEN SERFATY, CNN WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: Well, that certainly was an interesting moment, Bianna, and something that is notable for a Republican
on the committee, largely as you noted, it has fallen along party lines.
But clearly, the emotion is still there. This is the first congressional hearing since those two deadly shootings in Minnesota. So certainly, that
really is the through line here, not only the emotional response to these two killings of U.S. citizens, but also what went wrong, what could they
have done better, and what sort of investigation is happening in real time, looking at the aftermath of those shootings.
It was notable in one section. Lawmakers really pressed the immigration officials to promise to hand over the results of their own investigation
into Renee Good and Alex Pretti, those two that were killed in Minnesota. And they did. Both of them, both heads, promised they set a full and
unabridged investigation and outcomes. So that's certainly notable.
Another moment that was super -- very important, certainly likely to the family of Renee Good, who was the woman that was killed. They were pressed
by Congressman Eric Swalwell, would they -- about the labeling that an administration official called her a domestic terrorist in the aftermath of
her killing. Check out this exchange.
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REP. ERIC SWALWELL (D-CA): Two people have been killed so far. Is that right? A nurse named Pretti and a mom named Good. Two people have been
killed so far.
LYONS: Yes, sir.
SWALWELL: Mr. Lyons, will you apologize to the family of Renee Good for being called a domestic terrorist by the president and his leadership?
LYONS: No, sir.
SWALWELL: Why not?
LYONS: Sir, I welcome the opportunity to speak to the family in private, but I'm not going to comment on any active investigation.
SWALWELL: Is she a domestic terrorist?
LYONS: Sir, I'm not going to comment on the investigation. And the president and Secretary Noem are elected officials, that's your right to
their comments.
But as career law enforcement, we won't speak to any.
SWALWELL: Do you agree with their comments?
LYONS: Sir, I'm not going to go ahead and talk about any ongoing investigation.
SWALWELL: Will you apologize to the family of Alex Pretti for also being called a domestic terrorist?
LYONS: Sir again, I'm not going to speak to any ongoing investigation.
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SERFATY: And much of this hearing was really went granular. A lot of questions about the training that goes into ICE officers. All these
questions that have come up in the aftermath of what happened and -- and it came about in Minnesota.
The acting ICE director, Todd Lyons, he declined to say how many of his agency's officers have been fired for their conduct since the Trump
administration's mass deportation immigration crackdown began also notable just a few minutes ago. And again, noting this is still ongoing.
They noted that there have been several investigation into officers' conduct. They said there are several, but they declined to say how many. So
certainly that notable as the agency continues to hold their -- their officers accountable for this.
And also notably comes a time on Capitol Hill where they're disguising in real time potential changes to DHS funding. This all, of course, swept up
into that conversation and negotiation. Back to you.
GOLODRYGA: Yes. Another question that wasn't answered was, how many ICE agents have been fired or -- or let go because of some of their actions.
And, Sunlen Serfaty, thank you so much.
SERFATY: Thanks.
ASHER: All right. President Trump is lashing out at one of America's closest allies, Canada. He's threatening to block the opening of a new
border bridge and claims the U.S. is not being treated fairly over a range of economic issues.
GOLODRYGA: Yes, the Gordie Howe International Bridge will connect Detroit, Michigan and the Canadian City of Windsor.
Prime Minister Mark Carney says that he spoke with Trump explaining how the more than $4 billion project is being fully paid for by Canada.
ASHER: Let's discuss all of this with Alayna Treene joining us live now from the White House.
So, yes, Canada so far, has foot the bill for this bridge. They spent billions of dollars. They intend to sort of recuperate some of those costs
over time through tolls and stuff from the U.S. because it is jointly owned by Canada and the U.S.
But now you have President Trump saying that he is not going to allow this bridge to open. A, how does he do that? Can he do that?
And I think the other question is really, what does President Trump want in terms of economic concessions from Canada? And -- and what has Mark
Carney's reaction -- there's so many questions I have for you.
I'm sorry, like, literally loaded a thousand questions into that one question. What has Canada's reaction been so far?
ALAYNA TREENE, CNN WHITE HOUSE REPORTER: Yes. No, look, I mean, you're right to have all these questions, Zain, because it's quite perplexing. And
I think it took a lot of people, particularly people in Michigan and Ontario, which of course, the Gordie Howe Bridge would be connecting.
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It took a lot of them by surprise. And I just want to amend or add one thing to what you're saying about how Canada, yes, this is essentially
entirely paid for already by Canada. The bridge is essentially completed.
And not only were they planning to recoup some of those losses, you know, with the tolls that would be paid with people using the bridge, but they
also eventually plan to split some of those revenues with the United States.
So that again is just something to keep in mind when you're hearing the president complain outright and argue that he is not going to allow this to
open.
Now, look, like I said, construction is pretty much done. They were doing final inspections on this bridge. And Trump actually himself, during his
first term, had promoted this bridge. He had said during his first term that it was a vital economic link between our two countries.
I should know that this is one of the busiest trade crossings in North America, as you said, between Detroit and Windsor, Ontario.
And -- and what the president was saying, because I think this is what to get to your many questions, Zain, why people are so surprised and confused
by this, you know, he was arguing that the Canadian government, he said, expects me to just permit them to take advantage of America.
And he used this bridge and his complaints over this to air a host of grievances that he's had about Canada. We know that in recent months, or
really throughout the president's second term, he's come to really have a deteriorating relationship with Canada.
It started all right with the Prime Minister Mark Carney. But since then has really kind of bottomed out, particularly in recent weeks and what we
saw happen at the Davos Economic Forum earlier this year.
But he brought up a number of things. He talked about -- he's saying Canada doesn't use U.S. steel. He's saying the U.S. won't see any immediate
revenues from the tolls. But he also brought up things completely unrelated to this bridge.
He talked about Canadian liquor stores not stocking American spirits. And he also was criticizing Carney for having trade talks with China. He -- on
the China front, he said, the first thing China will do is terminate all ice hockey being played in Canada if that deal moves forward.
So again, very confusing from what the president is asking for here. And I do -- I think to your question about how could the president actually go
about this, that's not clear either. It's not very much clear how the President Trump could actually block this.
We did hear from Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer. She is a Democrat, but she essentially said that the bridge is going to open one way or another.
We're going to have to see where this leads.
I think obviously the Canadian Prime Minister, what we are hearing from Carney, is that they want to have negotiations as well. They want to talk
to the president about this. But it's very much confusing about what Trump actually wants here.
And it comes, of course, I think a big part of this is because their relationship has soured so much in recent months. All of that really taking
its -- its toll on this potential bridge.
Zain, Bianna.
GOLODRYGA: Yes. A big ice skating. I mean, an ice hockey match between Team USA, women's hockey and Canada upcoming too. So that's going to draw extra
attention. Sorry to step on your toes. I just want to throw out some sports trivia.
ASHER: Alayna Treene, sorry. We are in a weird week today. Alayna Treene live for us there. Thank you so much.
GOLODRYGA: My fault, stepping on your toes.
All right. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is on his way to Washington to meet with U.S. President Donald Trump tomorrow.
Two Israeli sources say that he plans to discuss military options against Iran should nuclear negotiations fall apart. And this is what the Prime
Minister had to say publicly as he was leaving.
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BENJAMIN NETANYAHU, ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER: On this trip, we will discuss a series of issues, Gaza, the region, but of course, first and foremost, the
negotiations with Iran.
I will present to the president our views regarding the principles of the negotiations, the important principles. And in my eyes, they are important,
not only for Israel, but for anyone in the world who wants peace and security in the Middle East.
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ASHER: Meantime, one of Iran's top security officials is in Oman today amid efforts to lay the groundwork for another round of indirect talks there.
GOLODRYGA: CNN international diplomatic editor Nic Robertson is in Jerusalem with more.
So, Nic, what can we expect from this yet another meeting between President Trump and Prime Minister Netanyahu?
NIC ROBERTSON, CNN DIPLOMATIC EDITOR: Yes. The seventh meeting between the pair since the president started a second term in office.
And that was something that Prime Minister Netanyahu was touting Israel's close relationship with the United States and his with President Trump. And
I think implicit in that is that he will want to get his way and get heard by President Trump.
He's very clearly dissatisfied with what he's hearing from the talks that took place at the end of last week. The president has said that he is happy
to have a conversation with Iran only about nuclear issues.
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Prime Minister Netanyahu said very clearly that he wants these talks to involve Iran's support of proxies in the region. We're talking about
Hezbollah in Lebanon, Hamas here in Gaza, Houthis in Yemen and elsewhere across the region.
He wants to have that discussion. He wants the United States to have that discussion with Iran and get them to curb the use of proxies. And also, the
ballistic missiles that Iran continues to develop. Ballistic missiles that as we saw last summer can hit Israel and threaten other countries in the
region.
So I think that this is what he's putting forward. But the idea that he's taking -- he wants to be able to have a conversation about how a potential
war with Iran would go down really speaks to the -- the -- the state of the talks with Iran.
And I -- and I think if you look at Ali Larijani, this very senior Iranian figure who's gone to Oman to meet with the Sultan, who doesn't normally get
involved directly in these kind of conversations, when we heard from President Trump and from the Iranian Foreign Minister on Friday that the
talks between the two sides had gone well.
It -- it doesn't look that way when Iran sends a senior figure by himself to have a complete sort of separate set of discussion.
So I think there's a lot there to discuss around the table in the White House, but it does seem to be very much on -- on Benjamin Netanyahu's mind
that war could be one of the options coming.
GOLODRYGA: Yes. Something else on his mind upcoming election where he is once again touting that he is a prime minister who has the closest ties
with the U.S. president in that country's history.
Nic Robertson, thank you so much.
ASHER: All right. Coming up, helmet controversy. What a Ukrainian Olympic athlete says he'll do after being banned from wearing this helmet during
competition.
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GOLODRYGA: The Ukrainian skeleton athlete, Vladyslav Heraskevych, says that he will wear a helmet depicting images of Ukrainian athletes who have died
in Russia's war in his country.
That's after he said officials at the Winter Olympics banned him from wearing it. Heraskevych wore the helmet for training on Monday and is
scheduled to compete on Thursday.
ASHER: Yes. Today, Ukraine's Olympic Committee said it had submitted a request to the IOC to allow the athlete to wear a helmet of remembrance at
the games.
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For more on this, let's bring in CNN's Amanda Davies.
You know, the IOC is essentially saying that from their perspective, they're not allowing any kind of political, religious or racial messaging
here. They see it as a slippery slope. They don't want to open that particular can of worms.
But Ukraine, this is very different. Just walk us through what the reaction has been from the athlete in question.
AMANDA DAVIES, CNN WORLD SPORT: Yes. Well, I can tell you, there's some news emerging from Cortina, from a press conference that Vladyslav has held
within the last half an hour or so.
And I can tell you this is a fight he is not going to give up easily. He, at a third Olympic Games here, has always said his appearance at Milan
Cortina is about so much more than just medals.
And in a very powerful moment, at the news conference that he's just held, he was asked if, despite what the IOC is saying, he will still go ahead and
wear the helmet with those 24 athletes pictured on them.
As Vladyslav says, 24 athletes on his helmet, but over 500 athletes who have been killed in the course of this war. And he said, the IOC betrays
them, I will not betray them.
But if we spin this back, and just as you said, let's talk about how we got here, he was the athlete who four years ago in Beijing, finished his
competition. And he held up a sign, a poster, a simple piece of paper, it said, no to war in Ukraine.
And it was only four days after that, the end of the games that Russia's full-scale invasion took place.
I have spoken to him a number of times. We at CNN have followed his story as he worked to help the war effort and then more recently, focus back on
his goals as an athlete to make it here to his third games.
But in short, this entire four-year Olympic cycle for these winter athletes has run with the war ongoing for the Ukrainian stars.
And when it emerged that Heraskevych had been given the honor of carrying the Ukrainian flag at the opening ceremony on Friday last week, we spoke to
him. He talks about what it would mean and that real feeling amongst the athletes of wanting to use this moment of the Games to put Ukraine's story
back on the map.
He's told of the feeling of frustration that the International Olympic Committee have allowed Russian and Belarusian athletes to compete as
neutral athletes if they fulfill certain criteria, despite the war still ongoing.
He also told us to expect protests from the Ukrainian athletes here at the games and why he felt it was so important to honor his friends and fellow
athletes who've lost their lives over the last four years. Have a listen.
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VLADYSLAV HERASKEVYCH, UKRAINIAN SKELETON RACER: I don't agree with this criterias. And I believe that many of the Ukrainian athletes do not agree
with this criterias. My teammate from the U.S. Olympic team 2016, we were in Lillehammer and Dmytro Sharpar, he was a figure skater, he was killed in
this war.
And we really need to be in one arena with people who are supporting killing of our friends. And I believe it's -- it's not right decision from
the IOC side.
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DAVIES: Well, Dmytro Sharpar, who mentioned -- was mentioned there, the figure skater is one of those number of athletes killed in the war pictured
on the helmet that we saw on Monday and was widely photographed. The Ukrainian Olympic Committee have described it as a helmet of remembrance.
And it was after that very quickly, that Vlad released a video on social media saying he'd been told by the IOC, it was not going to be allowed. He
accused them of double standards because Article 50 of the Olympic Charter states no kind of demonstration or political, religious or racial
propaganda is permitted in any Olympic sites, venues or other areas, but he wasn't sanctioned for that banner in Beijing.
And then we had a press conference here on Tuesday, the IOC spokesman Mark Adams repeated that whilst the IOC understands the desire of athletes to
remember friends and colleagues that have lost their lives in conflict, the helmet shouldn't be allowed.
The IOC have said that he will be allowed to wear a black armbands during competition, which they feel is a good compromise.
But from what we've just heard from that press conference that has taken place in Cortina, that is just not good enough from the Ukrainian athlete's
perspective.
ASHER: All right. Amanda Davies, live for us. Thank you. Thank you for that update. Appreciate it.
GOLODRYGA: And this news just breaking into CNN. NBC News is reporting that the FBI released an image from a camera at Nancy Guthrie's home, which
shows a person who appears to be wearing a mask and carrying a backpack.
The 84-year-old Guthrie was taken from her home 10 days ago in Arizona and she has not been seen or heard from since. We will bring you that new image
and any comments from the FBI when we get them. Quite a development there in that story.
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Still to come for us though, a trial that could reshape big tech, Meta and Google stand accused of designing platforms that intentionally get children
addicted. Why this case could set the tone for hundreds more.
ASHER: And an Alaska man is hoping to beat his way into the record books. Wait until you hear the speedy feet he's attempting. That's after the
break.
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ASHER: A high stakes trial in Los Angeles is putting the world's biggest tech companies under the microscope.
GOLODRYGA: Yes. The 20-year-old plaintiff accuses Instagram and YouTube of designing addictive apps that she says damaged her mental health.
CNN's Clare Duffy has the latest.
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DUFFY: Right. We got opening statements yesterday from the lawyers for both the plaintiff and Meta. And we're expecting to get YouTube's opening
statement today. So, we're starting to get a sense of how all of these parties will be building their argument in this trial that is really a test
of whether social media platforms can be held accountable for these claims that we've heard for years that these platforms harm the mental health of
young users.
This case, of course, centers on 20-year-old Kaley who claims that she started using Instagram and YouTube at a very young age and who also had a
difficult childhood. Her lawyer has talked about the fact that her father was abusive, that her mother raised Kaley and her two siblings, mostly as a
single mom.
And her lawyer argued yesterday in court that that made Kaley an especially vulnerable target to what they're calling these addictive features of
social media. These features like the endlessly scrolling feeds and frequent notifications.
He compared Instagram and YouTube yesterday to digital casinos for young people. He also brought in internal documents from both Meta and YouTube
that he said indicated these companies have gone to significant lengths to attract and retain teens and young users.
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Now, Meta's lawyer argued yesterday that it was Kaley's difficult childhood and not Instagram that caused her mental health challenges like anxiety and
suicidal ideation.
He brought in pre-trial testimony from two therapists who worked with Kaley, neither of whom believed that Instagram played a major role in those
mental health challenges.
He also brought in testimony from Kaylee herself, saying that Instagram was a creative outlet. And he talked about these features that Meta has rolled
out, like parental control tools and content restrictions to try to protect young users.
Now, again, we do expect to hear YouTube's opening statement today. The company has previously said that it believes the allegations in this
lawsuit are simply not true.
But importantly, we're going to continue to learn a lot more information as this trial progresses. We are expecting to get testimony from Instagram CEO
Adam Mosseri, Meta's CEO Mark Zuckerberg, and YouTube CEO Neal Mohan, as well as from Kaley herself.
So lots more to watch here as this trial progresses. But again, starting to get an early sense of how these parties will be building their arguments in
this trial. Back to you.
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ASHER: All right. Time now for "The Exchange." Joining us live now is Nicol Turner Lee, director at the Center for Technology Innovation. She's also
the author of "Digitally Invisible: How the Internet is Creating the New Underclass."
Nicol, thank you so much for being with us. I'm curious. I mean, obviously, we don't know which way this trial is going to go. But if the trial does
end sort of negatively for the social media companies, what sort of profound effects could that have on the way some of these companies operate
and do business, especially if it is deemed that they have deliberately made the algorithms in some of these apps very addictive, particularly to
young children?
NICOL TURNER LEE, DIRECTOR, CENTER FOR TECHNOLOGY INNOVATION: Well, this is going to be quite interesting. I mean, we're on the beginning of this
journey as to what's going to happen as a result of all of the, you know, comments and -- and pushback that these companies have had in terms of the
addictive qualities of their platforms.
I mean, the thing, honestly, what's going to happen is we're going to see some type of monetary settlement. Whatever gets ruled upon will have a big
blow to these companies. I think it's going to append their business model for sure.
And it's going to determine the extent to which they actually can market to and engage young people in their products and services.
GOLODRYGA: Yes. The only thing I can compare this to is when the tobacco company CEOs were all testifying and ultimately had to acknowledge that
they were aware of the addictiveness of tobacco in their products when they hadn't come forward with that knowledge prior.
So since then, Instagram now has introduced tools like sleep mode and content, quote, opt-outs. Do you think that these are meaningful safety
measures or these sort of just a band-aid that don't really address the underlying issue at hand here?
LEE: Well, you know, I hate to say it. I mean, these companies have been in these conversations for quite some time. And the recent add-ons and some of
the updates to the children's safety features have been positive.
You know, we don't want to say that it's not been positive. We got to see more data that's actually going to suggest that, you know, young people are
at least curbing their behaviors when it comes to using this technology 24/7.
But I think the challenges they're going to face is now we're in a space where we have to go before a jury and a judge, right? And it's going to be
really important that they're able to make the distinction between the behaviors that many of these plaintiffs are arguing with regards to the
depression and the suicide and the, you know, body shaming at the extent to which these platforms didn't contribute to it.
So I think it's going to be similar to tobacco, as you said, but I think it's going to be a little different because this is just one of so many
other cases that are happening across the U.S. and globally right now.
ASHER: All right. Nicol Turner Lee, we'll be watching very closely. Thank you so much.
GOLODRYGA: Well, a lifetime of practice for one drummer comes down to just 60 seconds.
ASHER: Yes. Tim Saunders took to the stage at the University of Alaska in Anchorage to break the world speed drumming record. He pounded out 1,415
beats in a minute. That's 23 per second. How do you? Twenty-three per second.
GOLODRYGA: It's a lot. It's a lot.
ASHER: Now the Guinness World record folks need to certify the beat feeds. Reporter Eric Sowl has the story.
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ERIC SOWL, REPORTER (voice-over): Sixty seconds. That's the window Tim Saunders had to set a world record.
The record is 1,200 January 26th on a stage at UAA. After years of practice, just 60 seconds.
TIM SAUNDERS, ALASKAN DRUMMER: Yes. I was hoping for my best.
SOWL (voice-over): Speed drumming. It had to be flawless. So multiple attempts.
SAUNDERS: I'm sure I probably made at least 20.
SOWL (voice-over): Cameras rolling. He was going for the world record for the most drum beats in a double stroke roll. Here's what that looks like.
Two beats from each drumstick. Do you see it? One, two, one, two.
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SAUNDERS: There's a lot of different things that are required. One cover letter, two independent witness statements, two timekeeper statements.
Video evidence, including slow-motion video evidence.
SOWL (voice-over): Just 60 seconds.
SAUNDERS: And in the end, 1,415.
SOWL (voice-over): Setting a new world record, but it has to be improved, which means sending in the required evidence.
SAUNDERS: I hope to do it by the beginning of next week.
SOWL (voice-over): What happens next?
SAUNDERS: And the hurry up and wait. Hopefully I don't have to look at any more slow-motion videos for a while.
SOWL (voice-over): Tim's advice for anyone looking to break a world record.
SAUNDERS: Be prepared for a lot of work.
SOWL (voice-over): For Tim, it was 60 seconds to try and break the record. And now, about 12 weeks to learn if he actually did.
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GOLODRYGA: Man, he did it.
ASHER: He did it.
GOLODRYGA: That's incredible. Yes, congratulations.
All right. Well, amazing, amazing feat on his part. Amazing show, as always, Zain.
That does it for "One World" today. I'm Bianna Golodryga.
ASHER: Oh, we are in such a weird mood today.
GOLODRYGA: It's, you know, I don't know.
ASHER: What is it? It's the hump day. It's the hump day.
GOLODRYGA: It's not Wednesday.
ASHER: It's not Wednesday.
GOLODRYGA: Just wait till Wednesday and see our mood tomorrow.
ASHER: Yes. All right. I'm Zain Asher. Thank you so much for watching. "African Voices" is up next.
And why do I always read this part? I'm like --
GOLODRYGA: I will be back in about 15 minutes time with "Amanpour." Because it's a 45-minute show.
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