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BIANNA GOLODRYGA, CNN ANCHOR: Hello, everyone. Live from New York, I'm Bianna Golodryga. Zain is off today. You are watching the second hour of

"One World."

At any moment, the U.S. and French leaders are set to meet for a bilateral talk ahead of a G7 summit at a lakeside resort in France. We will bring

that to you live as it happens.

Now, it comes just hours after a potential diplomatic breakthrough over the U.S.-Israeli war with Iran. President Trump has announced the framework of

an agreement that he says will end the conflict.

The French president and other leaders are already heralding the memorandum of understanding, although the details are vague and the text has not been

released.

The potential deal to be signed formally Friday would reopen the Strait of Hormuz and the U.S. blockade on Iranian ports, and serve as a framework for

future negotiations on more contentious issues, all within 60 days.

And already, we are seeing significant differences in the terms of agreement between two nations with half a century of deep-seated tensions.

The U.S. vice president says Tehran has a choice.

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J.D. VANCE, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: What this deal fundamentally does is it reopens the Straits of Hormuz. You see oil prices

have already come down substantially just in the last 24 hours, but it also simultaneously provides a two-path option for the Iranians.

On the one hand, if they continue to try to rebuild their nuclear program, this deal ensures they will never have the resources in order to do that.

On the other hand, if the Iranians are willing to give a long-term commitment, along with proper verification to giving up that nuclear

weapon, we're willing to welcome them into the world economy to lift some sanctions and to turn over a new leaf in that relationship.

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GOLODRYGA: CNN's Fred Pleitgen has recently returned from Iran and he joins us now. Fred, you were there when the framework of this MOU was being put

together and some parts of it were already reported on.

Talk to us about what you were hearing internally from Iranian, Iranian officials. Each side, both the United States and Iran, has an interest to

spin this as best possible for their own audiences and citizens.

But what were you hearing as this was coming together while you were in Iran?

FREDERIK PLEITGEN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes. I mean, certainly the Iranians were saying there were certain points that were

extremely important for them; one of them was the dealing with frozen assets. And the Iranians were saying they want because they say this is

their money. This is not the U.S.' money to give them back. They say this is money that belongs to the state of Iran. And it was very important for

them to get that back as fast as possible and make that really something in the early stages also of the memorandum of understanding.

Now, it's unclear whether or not some sort of mechanism may have been found for the U.S. to be able to say, look, all this is performance based and

will be released later, or whether or not the Iranians are upfront going to get that money from the United States.

It's about $24 billion that was being talked about, possibly also in smaller stages. But that was really one of the points that the Iranians

really drove home to us when we were on the ground in Tehran, saying they consider it a goodwill gesture by the United States to give that money back

if indeed that's what the United States is going to be.

The other key point was something that the vice president was speaking about in that soundbite we just heard, and that was the Strait of Hormuz.

And the Strait of Hormuz --

GOLODRYGA: We're going to just interrupt. I'm sorry. We're to go straight to President Trump --

PLEITGEN: Sure.

GOLODRYGA: -- meeting with President Macron right now in France.

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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: So I want to congratulate the president. Last night, Cyril Gane won the fight against a great fighter.

Supposed to be unbeatable. And that was it. Cyril is from France. Did you watch the fight?

EMMANUEL MACRON, FRENCH PRESIDENT: Yes. Not in direct, but I saw it this morning.

TRUMP: That was a great fight. It was a great evening at the White House.

MACRON: It was very fun. Yes.

TRUMP: Thank you.

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MACRON: I wanted to say -- I mean, to commend President Trump for -- for celebration yesterday and to welcome President Trump and the ministers and

his team for -- for being here in Evian for the G7.

I think yesterday was signed a very important agreement, a peace deal with Iran. And it's a very important one because, first, it will fix the nuclear

issue. And it's a very important matter for -- for peace, for the whole world. And -- and it will reopen Hormuz. It will provide peace in Lebanon.

And so we are ready to take our fair share of the burden and be part of the -- the commitment of the international community in order to support this

deal.

And we will discuss about that together and with colleagues later on. But it's a very important step towards peace, but as well for global economy.

We will have the occasion to discuss about the war in Ukraine in order to reengaged together and -- and negotiate a good and solid peace and

sustainable peace and President Zelenskyy will be with us as well tomorrow.

And, obviously, we will have the occasion to bring this G7 to -- to speak about a series of issues from rare earths, critical minerals, trade, et

cetera, where we have to build convergence amongst the G7 members.

And it will be the occasion for us to celebrate the 250 years of independence for -- for the U.S. And -- and Versailles is a good place

because this is where the King and his Minister of Foreign Affairs at the time did support the U.S. during years, but as well prepared what we called

the Paris Treaty in 1783, which was the final point --

TRUMP: Right.

MACRON: -- of this war. So it's a - it's a great honor and a great pleasure to have you, Mr. President in Evian and Paris.

TRUMP: Thank you. Thank you. So, Emmanuel has been a special friend of mine. We've had a fantastic relationship. We've worked on many deals

together. I'm very happy to say very signed the deals all signed. And the Strait is already partially opened. As you know, they're doing a little

hunting for a couple of mines that they've already found, but it's essentially ships are starting to go out.

Now, on Friday, it'll be completely opened. We got along very well with Iran. It's a different set of leaders. As you know, the first set is gone.

The second set is gone. And we found the third set to be very smart. Strong, very smart, but we ended up making a deal.

I felt badly that we had to go back on the attack for two nights. And I thought a third, but we made it before that happened.

But I think a lot of great things are going to happen to the Middle East right now. And very importantly, the oil is plummeting down, and the stock

market is shooting up like a rocket today, like record kind of numbers. And the oil is taking its biggest plunge, and we're into the low numbers. Not

quite back yet, Kevin, to the extent, but we're getting close to the numbers we were before it all started.

And the main thing is that Iran will not have a nuclear weapon. They fully agreed to that with strong policing powers, and they won't have a nuclear

weapon, which is what it was all about because they probably would have used it if they had it.

So, we had two big moments. When they terminated the JCPOA, that was the Obama deal, the Barack Hussein Obama deal. And when I terminated that, it

was very important because it was a road to a nuclear weapon. It was a horrible deal for the United States. It was a deal where billions of

dollars was given to Iran.

It was a deal where $1.7 billion in cash was put on a Boeing 7 -- well, not a 7, 757, I guess, right? But it was put on a big, beautiful Boeing 757.

They needed a Boeing 747, to be honest with you, because it was a lot of cash. $1.7 billion was taken out of the banks and given to Iran.

And on top of that, tens of billions of dollars was spent. So, they tried to bribe them to make a deal, and that didn't work. It never works. And

we've done a great job. And hopefully it's going to be a good relationship and we're going to get along. And if we don't, we go back to where we

started, but I don't think that's going to be necessary.

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The -- the Iran deal that we made is going to bring a lot of -- a lot of success to the world because the oil was really clogged up there for a

while. He would call me on occasion, say, come on, please, let's go with the oil prices, but the oil is coming way down.

So, I'm very honored by it. I want to thank you for your help. You've always been a help. And it's an honor to be with you. We had a very good

conversation.

Yesterday, we had President Zelenskyy and President Putin. And I see maybe we can do something there. I really do. I think they're both open to it.

So, I'm going to -- now that this is finished, we're going to be focusing on that, see if we can get that one done.

Twenty-five thousand people a month are dying, mostly, mostly soldiers, and that shouldn't happen. But I had two very good conversations yesterday.

We'll be talking about it.

And we had a really exciting, I think maybe one of the most incredible evenings in the history of the White House. We had an evening last night

with the fighters, and I was very happy. I called last night, very late last night, to congratulate you. Because in the heavyweight division, a

French fighter won.

I don't know, is that maybe more important than the World Cup? To some people, it might be. To some people, it might be. You have a good team in

the World Cup.

MACRON: Yes.

TRUMP: Very good team, but you have good fighters too. And you're a great country. And it's an honor to be with you. Thank you very much.

MACRON: Thank you.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hey -- hey, sir, are you going to try to attend the (INAUDIBLE) ceremony on Friday?

TRUMP: Well, it depends. J.D.'s coming in for it. He was originally going to do it. I -- I'll probably be gone by then. We're having dinner in a day

and a half, right? We're going to be staying quite late. So I -- I may be involved, I may not, but J.D. was coming in for that specifically.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. President, when will the text of the MOU be released?

TRUMP: I think pretty soon, I would say. I mean, I want it to be released because it's a very powerful document. It's not like the Obama document,

which was just a terrible document. This is very powerful document and I want it to be released.

So probably pretty soon, I would say after sometime after Friday, because the Strait opens completely. It's open now, but it opens completely. We'll

have all the mines knocked out for the most part. We have a lot of lanes right now already.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. President --

TRUMP: So, I think -- I think sometime -- I -- I think sometime in the very near future, yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. President, does this -- does the deal involved any sanctions relief for Iran? When will that go into effect?

TRUMP: No, it doesn't. Well, they have to. It's really a behavioral thing. If they do what they're supposed to do, that starts taking effect.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. President, what do you expect from Trump --

TRUMP: Well, I would have gone to do that. I don't think we're going to need much help because we have an agreement where it's going to be open.

And it's toll free. We had a little argument on that. It's toll free.

So, I don't think we're going to need much help. But I don't think it's a bad idea to have a ship or two up here from a few countries. You'd be a

great country to do it, because you never know what happens.

But I think it's going to be open. And I think it's going to be free sailing. We do want to see if we can straighten out the Lebanon thing,

because it just seems to just never end. And that's a mini version of what we were doing, but -- and it should not be tough. It should not be tough.

So, Hezbollah, we have to -- we have to talk with them.

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TRUMP: That's good.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. Thank you very much, press.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank you, guys.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Please hurry. Hurry, guys. Let's go. We have to go now, please. Hurry up.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, guys. I think we have it.

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GOLODRYGA: President Trump. There you see President Trump and President Macron meeting in France ahead of the G7 summit, both heralding news of

this memorandum of understanding, reports that this has already been electronically signed, that the official signing will take place Friday in

Geneva.

President Trump said most likely it will be J.D. Vance representing the United States. The president said that the Strait is already partially open

now, given this MOU, while there's some hunting ongoing for mines, and said that it should be officially fully opened by Friday.

I want to bring in Brett McGurk, a CNN global affairs analyst. He's also former Middle East and North Africa coordinator for the U.S. National

Security Council.

Brett, a lot to get to there from what we just heard from the president, but a number of things stand out. One, he said that the Strait will be

permanently toll free. There's some question as to whether that is how Iran is interpreting what is going to take place over the next 60 days and

beyond with regards to the free passage of ships through the toll.

The president said Iran will not have a nuclear weapon, otherwise, the United States will go back to where they started. He doesn't believe that

that is necessary. And he also said -- and he said this a number of times, that they are dealing with completely different leaders. He said this is

the third set of leaders that the United States has been dealing with. Many experts have described them the hardest of the hardliners. That would be

Mohammad Ghalibaf, the speaker there of parliament, and Ahmad Vahidi, the head of the IRGC.

I'm wondering what stands out to you. The president continued to note that oil prices on this news were plummeting while the stock market, I believe,

has now hit a record high.

BRETT MCGURK, CNN GLOBAL AFFAIRS ANALYST: Yes, Bianna, you summed it up there.

The -- the one thing I noticed he said is he didn't commit to releasing the text of this MOU, which everybody is interpreting and nobody's seen it. I

would just -- I would advise the White House, get the text out and then -- and then these debates between what Iran is saying, what we're saying can

be resolved because there will be a text. I understand it's about two pages long. Senior White House officials feel very confident about what it says,

but we haven't seen it.

So, until we see the text, it's hard to know. I mean, Iran is putting out, not through anonymous sources, through their official media and senior

officials, that the Strait of Hormuz will be under their domain. And they're not going to charge tolls, but they'll charge uh fees for

maintenance and all sorts of things. That's basically a -- a totally new equation in the Strait of Hormuz, which if that is something we've conceded

to, I think that would be quite significant.

The concessions on -- on frozen funds or sanctions also remain very unclear. Will Iran be selling its oil at market prices, which would be a

very significant economic benefit to the Iranians in this deal? Again, we don't know.

And then I think really importantly, are there any nuclear commitments in this MOU that are specific about what Iran has committed to up front? I

suspect not, other than the statement that they will not produce or acquire a nuclear weapon, which of course they have committed to repeatedly and

consistently in the past, including in their NPT obligations or in the JCPOA, but I don't think they have actually committed to them in fact as we

know.

So, a lot of questions here and I think if I had to reduce to what we know, Bianna, this is basically really not a peace deal. It's a -- it's a -- a

respite to stop the fighting and open the Strait Hormuz, to reduce the global macroeconomic pressure that was building, particularly as we head

into summer and the peak demand as supplies dwindle.

I'm sure the president was being advised by some economic advisors that that would be quite serious. And it will also provide economic relief to

Iran, which is suffering from the U.S. blockade.

Of course, that relief, unfortunately, will not go to the Iranian people. If past is prologue, it'll go to benefit the -- the core of the Iranian

system and the Revolutionary Guard.

So, that seems to be where we are. I think it's important that we try to reserve some judgment until we actually see the text of this. And if the

war stops, I think that's ultimately a good thing.

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But until the system in Iran changes, in my experience over four administrations, Bianna, and seeing every permutation of Iran policy, the

one constant, unfortunately, is the policy of the Islamic Republic and the Revolutionary Guard, and -- and what they do through the Quds Force and

support for proxies and missiles and drones and everything else that we know.

And their objective is to get the U.S. out of the region and ultimately to eliminate Israel. That's their stated objective. And you can see them

acting in ways to do that over the course of years.

And until they change that orientation, I think this is kind of a temporary respite to what could be a future conflict. I hope I'm very much wrong. And

I hope the vice president is right that perhaps returning an entirely new page in our relationship with Iran, this 47-year problem that is -- that

every president has confronted since Jimmy Carter, and there's a reason every president has confronted it, it's an incredibly difficult problem.

And I would hope there's so many sharp views on this already about what's happening. I think everybody -- we should have a little bit of humility

because it's a very difficult, difficult challenge for any American president.

And I suspect the challenge will continue for the remainder of President Trump's term. And it will continue with his successor because I don't see

Iran changing its fundamental orientation given that the system is basically consolidated and that leadership core with the guard, as you just

mentioned, remains very much intact.

GOLODRYGA: Yes. It's whether that all changes, something that we've now been covering for the past 47 years over the next 60 days, I think

everyone's right to be skeptical of that, especially given the leadership that the president said that they are now dealing with.

I do want to get you to react to what we heard about another sticking point, and that is over the last few weeks in particular, Iran has been

able to link two separate conflicts together. So that is not just the United States and Israel's war on Iran, but now Lebanon as well.

And there had been a lot of reporting about the increased pressure and frustration that President Trump has expressed towards Prime Minister

Netanyahu about the ongoing fighting there between Hezbollah and Israel.

The president said that at the end now, we just heard with him with Macron, that we need to straighten out the Lebanon thing. I have to talk a little

bit with Hezbollah. He seemed to make this a trivial point. We know that is not the case. And Iran really stepping up and trying to include its most

significant proxy in any deal.

How successful do you think the Iranians will be on that front?

MCGURK: It's a great question, and it's one of the open questions. What is said about Lebanon in this actual text? And I mean, I've -- I've dealt with

this in my previous time. The Iranians in the wake of October 7th tried to link all of their so-called Axis of Resistance.

And when Israel kind of fought back against Hezbollah, limited to that theater, Iran in April and October of 2024 launched to, at the time, the

largest aerial missile and drone attacks in history against Israel, which we helped defeat.

Look, the equation in Israel, and Israel, course, will have very important election here later in the year. I think that's a key inflection point for

where the region is heading.

But whoever the government is, whoever the prime minister is in Israel, think post-October 7th, Israel's security doctrine, I just say this as an

analyst, but also someone who's dealt with these issues, they will never again allow threats to gather, whether on their borders or even afar.

And so they will act proactively against Hezbollah. That is just the new normal. And so long as Hezbollah wants to continue to rearm to position

itself near Israel's borders and to fire rockets and drones into Israel, Israel's going to hit back. I mean, that is basic dynamic.

So, when the president says, we have to resolve the Lebanon thing, he's right. And I think the way to do that is the approach the administration

has been taking through these direct talks, which are fairly extraordinary, between -- direct talks between Lebanon, the Lebanese government, and

Israel. I think that is the right path to try to resolve this and try to isolate Hezbollah.

Basically handing the Lebanon equation to a bilateral discussion between Iran and the U.S. isn't going to work because I think the Israelis

ultimately will not accept that. And also ultimately also I think is not beneficial at all for Lebanon and the Lebanese people.

So, I -- I hope we can get back to that track diplomatically which again was promising. I think that is the right approach between the Lebanese

government as it asserts its sovereignty and Israel to try to resolve some of those final issues. I think that's the right approach handing this to --

giving Iran basically veto over what might happen in Lebanon, I think, would be a very dangerous precedent. I hope that's not.

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I suspect what this agreement says is there's basically a -- a ceasefire in place, but doesn't go into details on the Lebanon equation. And but again,

we have to see. We haven't seen the text.

GOLODRYGA: Yes. And it's vague details that can lead to more escalation, as we all know --

MCGURK: That's right.

GOLODRYGA: -- in different interpretations of what those details entail.

Brett McGurk, always good to have you on. Thank you so much.

MCGURK: Thank you, Bianna.

GOLODRYGA: We'll be right back with more.

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GOLODRYGA: Iran makes their highly anticipated debut at this year's World Cup when they face New Zealand in Los Angeles later today. This marks the

first time in tournament history that a host nation is at war with one of the participants. The players were met with protests after arriving in the

U.S. on Sunday. And more protests are expected later today.

But Iran's coach says the team wants to bring joy and unity to Iranian people around the world.

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AMIR GHALENOEI, IRAN COACH (through translator): We are here to play and represent the great nation of Iran, both at home and abroad. Our sole focus

is on football and on making the people of Iran happy.

We are not political. After all, that's FIFA's very motto. Football is separate from politics, but we have great respect for the entire great

nation of Iran.

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GOLODRYGA: Meanwhile, a day of World Cup action is already underway with Spain going head-to-head with Cape Verde in Atlanta.

CNN World Sport anchor Patrick Snell joins us from Atlanta just down the street from where the stadium at the World Cup fan zone is. We see the fans

there behind you. Talk about what we saw over the weekend. USA looking quite strong in their first match.

PATRICK SNELL, CNN WORLD SPORT ANCHOR: Yes, Bianna. You know, one of the three co-hosts looking very impressive indeed. I will say against I felt a

poor Paraguay team on the night. No question about that. And we had a big thumping win for Germany 7-1 over Curacao, one of four tournament

debutants.

Speaking of tournament debutants, you mentioned the atmosphere right here in Atlanta. The fans -- so thousands of fans packed in. And if you hear a

big roar behind me, it'll tell you one of these two teams has first scored a goal the reigning champions of Europe, La Roja Spain taking on debutants,

Cape Verde.

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But I tell you what, they are a story, an extraordinary story in their own right. But I want to talk about the atmosphere building up because we had

crazy scenes over the weekend which you just mentioned at the -- the Brazil match against Morocco.

In that one, I tell you, there were up to 10,000 fans packing in on the night, over 20,000 on the day, images that went viral all around the world.

And just here, when they opened the gates to the fan zone here at around 10:00 A.M. local time, literally, I could see there were scores of people

sprinting in trying to get their favorite spot here out on the lawn, which is actually the Centennial Olympic Park here in Atlanta.

And also, if you want a bracelet, you can have a World Cup bracelet as well. Some fans going straightly to get it straight in line to get a

bracelet as well.

Another cool moment ahead of kickoff was thousands of fans doing their march. This is their traditional thing now at this 2026 FIFA World Cup. We

see fans gathering in their hundreds, gathering in their thousands, ramping up the atmosphere, really getting in the zone ahead of kickoff.

And we do have that video of the Spain fans on the march towards the stadium ahead of kickoff. Spain are looking to win a World Cup for the

first time in 16 years since their triumph on South African soil back in 2010.

So great scenes. The big question ahead of kickoff was, would Lamine Yamal, the Barcelona teen phenom, 18 years of age, would those Spanish fans get to

see him play? Well, the big news, we did get our answer shortly before kickoff. Lamine Yamal, who was injured in April, he pulled a tug on his

hamstring, kept him out for a few weeks, is that he starts on the bench, starting on the bench, and it is still currently goalless in this game here

at a vibrant, vibrant fan zone in Atlanta, Bianna.

GOLODRYGA: OK. I'll -- I'll let you get back to covering that game waiting for another goal to see that go from nil-nil there to a goal on the board.

I had loved that Coke billboard behind you there. It really gives us a sense of the enthusiasm, the excitement that we're going to see scenes like

that across the country, across Canada, the United States and Mexico over the next few weeks.

Patrick Snell, have a great day. Enjoy the game.

SNELL: Thank you.

GOLODRYGA: And coming up, we'll go back to France, where U.S. President Trump has arrived for the G7 Summit. Details ahead on how world leaders are

reacting to a potential U.S.-Iran agreement.

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GOLODRYGA: All right. Welcome back to "One World." I'm Bianna Golodryga.

Returning now to President Trump's arrival at the G7 Summit where he has this hour pledged that the text of the agreement with Iran will be released

sometime after Friday.

President also doubled down on his assertions that traffic would move through the Strait of Hormuz toll free and that Iran would not get a

nuclear weapon.

Donald Trump also insisted there would be no sanctions relief for Iran until they do what they are supposed to do. He was speaking ahead of a

meeting with French President Emmanuel Macron who gave his reaction to the latest developments.

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MACRON: I think yesterday was signed a very important agreement, a peace deal with Iran. And it's a very important one because first, it will fix

the nuclear issue. And -- and it's a very important matter for --for peace, for the whole world.

And -- and it will reopen Hormuz. It will provide peace in Lebanon. And so we are ready to take our fair share of the burden and be part of the -- the

commitment of the international community in order to support this deal. And we will discuss about that together and with colleagues later on, but

it's a very important step towards peace, but as well for global economy.

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GOLODRYGA: All right. Let's bring in CNN's global affairs analyst, Kim Dozier. And, Kim, I just wanted to hear from Macron to make sure I heard

correctly there that this MOU, in his words, would fix the nuclear issue.

I think a lot of other people would be highly skeptical that that's what this would actually do, much less within the next 60 days or so. Just give

us your take on everything we know thus far.

KIMBERLY DOZIER, CNN GLOBAL AFFAIRS ANALYST: Yes. I think one of the things that Macron has learned to deftly do is when he's sitting next to Donald

Trump, to layer on the praise. And this is a way of saying, good job, we can move forward from here.

And the understanding is that Iran has said it won't build or acquire a nuclear weapon, but that is a statement that it said under the previous

leadership that was assassinated in Israeli attacks.

GOLODRYGA: And so as far as the Strait, which is the one tangible, I guess, we can see in terms of metrics on whether the Strait will resume traffic,

the president said it's partially open now, they're just still looking for mines, and that by Friday, it will be fully open for business.

There's, I think, a different interpretation, depending on which Iranian official and U.S. official or the president of the United States says

regarding tolls. The president keeps saying that this will be toll free. Iran appears to be saying, not so fast.

DOZIER: Yes. Look, for Iran, the Strait of Hormuz is a weapon to be wielded to make sure it doesn't get attacked again.

So, Iranian officials have said variations of, yes, for 60 days, people will be able to pass through it freely, though it'll probably take about a

month to clear out a lot of the mines and make that route, that near Iranian territory safe.

But they're saying that in future, they would charge things like environmental, insurance, and safety fees which sounds like a toll.

The route that hugs the coast of Oman is probably the part that's going to open up fastest, that shipping companies will feel safest using.

And the part that Macron talked about, this expansion of a potential Western alliance-led patrol of that area, that could really be something

that keeps the Strait open from here on out, because it'll be a lot harder for Iran to take pot shots if there are a bunch of Western nations, navies

in that area.

The risk of miscalculation and hitting a noncombatant is something that Tehran probably won't want to do, because it wants the lifting of

sanctions.

GOLODRYGA: Which is exactly why President Trump then, on the spot, suggested that President Macron could actually do just that by sending his

naval force and fleet over to keep the strait open.

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Kim, the president, again, on issues related to sanctions relief, a lot of pushback from some who have been part of this or know some of the details

of this MOU, concerned that Iran would have access to its frozen assets and cash before actually following through on some of their commitments.

President Trump was rather vague and said that they're not getting any sanctions relief unless they behave the way they're supposed to.

Are you concerned at all about what these details include? And why do you think they don't just release the MOU now? Why are they waiting until it's

actually signed?

DOZIER: I think they don't want to give any of the actors like hardliners in the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps an opportunity to scuttle this. We

don't know what Iranian officials are briefing back in Tehran that is in the deal.

Just like m in the U.S., they're keeping it vague so as not to arm some of the GOP hardliners who don't want a deal to go ahead.

So, once you get the document and everybody signs it, then you can deal with some of the hard stuff behind closed doors and not reveal how much

you've blinked or given up on either side.

You know, Iran is claiming it's going to get something like 12 billion of the $24 billion in frozen oil receipts. U.S. officials don't want to

concede to giving Iran any money for this deal. So, that's why you're seeing a lot of murkiness in the run-up to the signing.

Even though it's been digitally signed, that's not the same as having U.S. and Iranian officials, at least somewhere in the same room or proximity and

actually inking a deal on Friday.

GOLODRYGA: Yes. But that doesn't mean that they will stick to the deal if come Saturday morning they realize that there was still some discrepancy on

when that frozen money will be handed over.

Kim Dozier, thank you so much for joining us.

DOZIER: Appreciate it.

GOLODRYGA: And that does it for this hour of "One World." I'm Bianna Golodryga. I'll be back in about 15 minutes with "Amanpour." African Voices

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