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Scores Killed, Missing As Huge Flood Hits Nepal And China; Nearly 400 Tourists Missing In Nepal After Massive Flood; Meta And State Settle Landmark Case Over Harms To Children; Tim Curry, Star of Stage And Screen, Dies At 80; Lindsay Clancy Murder Trial Resumes In Massachusetts; At Least 14 Newborns Killed In Fire At Hospital In Islamabad; Aired 12-1p ET

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is CNN Breaking News.

LYNDA KINKADE, CNN ANCHOR: Hello, I'm Lynda Kinkade. This is "One World."

A massive flash flooding event overwhelming villages on both sides of the Nepal-China border. Nepali officials say at least 95 people have been

killed, but hundreds more are missing. There obviously official death toll will be far higher than initial estimates. Chinese state media are saying

there could be major casualties on the Tibetan side of the border.

Hanako Montgomery has more details on the overwhelmed villages. But I need to warn you, the footage you're about to see is disturbing.

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HANAKO MONTGOMERY, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Dozens of people begin to run. What comes next in this surveillance video is hard to imagine. A

mountain of mud and water taller than the building crashes down, wiping out everything in its path, like something from a disaster film, but this is a

border crossing between China and Nepal.

It's the result of a deadly flash flood that swept through Himalayan villages on the Nepal-China border on Wednesday. Its enormous force

destroying homes and buildings, including in Nepal's Rasuwa District.

Aerial footage captured from a helicopter over the district shows the immense barrage of water flooding the valley below. It's a popular area for

hiking holidays. Hundreds of tourists, including foreign nationals, have been reported missing, according to an initial assessment by Nepal's

tourism board.

Nepali's army helicopters are helping rescue citizens from rooftops in the flood-affected areas. The Red Cross is also deploying an emergency team

with relief supplies.

And in Tibet's Gyirong port, China's President Xi Jinping has ordered all- out search and rescue efforts to find those who are missing after a mudslide caused major casualties, China's state news agency, Xinhua,

reported. The mudslide has cut off the region's roads, communications, and power, Xinhua said.

Nepal's foreign minister said the deadly flash flood was caused by an earthquake, triggering a large landslide, which blocked the Bhotekoshi

River. The full scale of the devastation is yet to become clear.

Hanako Montgomery, CNN.

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KINKADE: Gage Goulding joins us now live from Hong Kong with the latest. So, Gabe, rescue operations already underway, but it is dark there now.

What do we know about the recovery efforts so far and the hundreds of people still missing?

GAGE GOULDING, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes. You know, we're getting updates every minute here as I'm just checking to see if any new

information comes in. But, you know, right now, we understand that there are at least 98 deaths confirmed. That is a tally that we're kind of

combine -- combining, excuse me, from both Nepal and Chinese officials.

And then on top of that, I think at this point, it's safe to say hundreds upon hundreds are missing, including at least 400 tourists that are still

missing. And you're right, it's going to be a very difficult night for rescue operations that are continuing throughout the evening hours, but the

reality is, is that a lot of this is going to have to wait until the morning.

Not only was there just a significant wall of water that came down with this -- this -- I mean, just absolute monsoon, if you will, but there's

mud, there's debris, there's rocks, there's live power lines. I mean, there's a significant amount of threats that these -- these search and

rescue crews now have to encounter to try to find anybody.

One Nepal government leader saying that more than 100 people have been rescued from helicopters. You've seen images of what looked like armed

military members, physically carrying people covered and caked in mud out of the areas that they were trapped in. People trapped in homes and

buildings that were surrounded by flood water and now mud water, if you will.

And then there's the fact that not only are there, you know, tons of tourists, but there's active construction projects. One hydroelectric dam

being built there had around 60 employees that, at this point, are still missing, including more than eight employees from South Korea.

That's what we're understanding from the South Korean government at this hour, is that they have a multitude of people missing as they were part of

this construction project.

In all of this, which is really hard to grasp, especially these shots from a helicopter, you would think that this is something that would happen

after a traumatic or, you know, dramatic, I should say, rainstorm and that simply is not the case.

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We understand that this is a 4.4 magnitude earthquake, according to the USGS, that caused a large chunk of glacier as well as some rock. Again,

this is very preliminary information, but this is what we're gathering at this hour from experts both in the, you know, the private sector and the

public sector, is that there was this large chunk of glacier and rock that dislodged into a river and created this land tsunami, if you will, and just

sent it down this river gorge.

And you can see this shot here is a perfect example, as there's nowhere for this water to go. It's not climbing up the mountainside here. The only way

-- the only place for it to go is down and taking everything in its path.

There's the video that has been playing nonstop, but I think really illustrates it the best of the water just coming over this building here,

and just for the force that I don't think anybody's ever seen before.

This is not a flood-driven by rain. This is -- this is quite literally a land tsunami. This is a very forceful event that led to a magnitude of

water being just thrusted down the river valley, taking everything with it.

You know, the people there that are running in the beginning of that video were running for their lives, but unfortunately, you know, the fate pretty

much seems that it was decided way before.

And the infrastructure as well. There's no way for this infrastructure to hold up to, you know, the sheer amount of water bridges there. You know, a

lot of these communities are connected to one another via these bridges, suspension bridges, that truly stand no chance to the amount of force.

And remember, as this water is going down through the river valley, it's picking up trees and buildings and all kind of debris that just further

batters the rest of the infrastructure as it goes down.

So again, the number that we're seeing right now, combined death toll of about 98 with hundreds more missing, I fear to say that that is a very

dramatic underestimate of what the total number will be.

Again, you know, we're talking about hundreds of people that -- and some of them are in remote areas, right, that -- that it might be a while until we

find out that these people are missing.

But looking at social media already, I'm -- I'm seeing numbers and scores of folks that are coming in saying, please, if you've seen my loved one,

I'm looking at one on my screen right now, that's just the young man that there's a family saying, please, he's last seen this morning at 9:00 A.M.

If you know anything, please call. These are -- these are folks that are very desperate to get in touch with their family members, whether it's

local or those that are visiting the area.

And again, I think it's going to be, as the rest of the world continues to wake up and goes for their day, those numbers, unfortunately, I do believe

will increase.

KINKADE: Yes. Sadly, it does seem to be the case. Gage Goulding, appreciate you. Thank you.

Well, CNN meteorologist Derek Van Dam is also following the story and joins us now live.

Derek, so we know, even though it was monsoon season, there was no rainfall event that triggered this massive surge of water. So, what is your

understanding as to what caused this?

DEREK VAN DAM, CNN METEOROLOGIST: We're trying to piece together all of the likely scenarios, and here's what we've sorted, what we know. A magnitude

4.4 earthquake, he was talking about it just a moment ago, did that cause the landslide? Or was the landslide the result? Or -- or was the landslide

triggering that shaking in the ground?

What we do know that the earthquake that was registered was right there, near the border of Nepal and China, but we're going to take you on kind of

a Google Earth flyover and talk about the thousands of glaciers across this area, some of which tower over 7,000 meters.

This part of the world is warming two times faster than the global average when we put climate change into context here. So what that's doing is it's

destabilizing, not only the rock, but also the glaciers.

So, did we have a slab of ice high up in the Himalayan Mountains, break free from an earthquake or on its own because of our increasing

temperatures in the world, still being determined.

But one thing's for sure, it sent a large destructive wave of water. We're calling it an inland tsunami, that's the best way we can describe it

because it gets funneled into the tributaries and eventually into the rivers below.

And I want to point out this area, that yellow line right there is the border between China and Nepal. And we've seen a lot of the social media

videos coming out of this location.

I want to replay it, it is disturbing, but it kind of helps put it into context, the force of the water as it cascaded down. We're talking to a lot

of scientists to try and get their take as they analyze the satellite imagery from this location.

This video right here, you can see some of the pulverized rock. There's likely ice, certainly plenty of meltwater associated with it. So, did it

originate from a glacier that broke off? Still to be determined, but the amount of force coming down the mountainside here is evident in all of the

videos that we have seen. And it's exacerbated by the steep cliffs and the steep topography, the terrain here, that funnels the water down below.

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We're going to take you a little bit further downstream. This is the river right here that burst its banks. This location, Bhadaure. I may be

mispronouncing that, apologies if I did. And we're going to zoom in even closer. This bridge right here is the next video which you'll see that

shows the water funneling around that very bend, taking out the infrastructure, wiping out buildings as it does so. There is just so much

force.

So, did the glacier or the rock avalanche that was triggered high up in the Himalayans, did it block this river allowing for water to pull up behind

it? Eventually the force of that water getting too great for that blockage and it all came out at once? That's one active scenario that we're

monitoring.

But when we analyze these videos, analyze the satellite -- analyze the satellite imagery from the region, it is clear that topography, some sort

of glacial melt, some sort of triggered landslide had something to do with this torrent of water that came down and caused this destruction.

It's heartbreaking to see these videos, Lynda.

KINKADE: And really is just extraordinary. I mean, we're going to stay on this, Derek, but we appreciate you. Derek Van Dam, thank you.

I want to welcome Rijan Bhakta Kayastha. He is a professor and the head of the Department of Environmental Science at Kathmandu University and joins

us now live. We really appreciate your time today. I'm so sorry for what your country is dealing with right now.

RIJAN BHAKTA KAYASTHA, PROFESSOR AND HEAD OF THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENCE, KATHMANDU UNIVERSITY: OK. Thank you very much for

your contact.

I think regarding this flood, this flood is mainly due to the -- till now, what we observed that it was due to the huge ice avalanche from a nearby

glacier. That glacier is on the Nepal sites and the river, which it blocked, maybe for few hours and then it outbursts it again. That was in

between Nepal and China that calls Lhende -- Lhende River.

And then we had, last year, also on 7th July, we had a huge flood also. But this time, today's flood was maximized the previous year's damages. And I

think this will be the history such a glacial flood in Nepal.

KINKADE: So -- so you're saying a -- an ice avalanche may have blocked the Lhende River and that is what caused this build-up of water and then this

surge that resulted in this massive flood.

KAYASTHA: Yes, yes.

KINKADE: Do you believe the earthquake had nothing to do with it? Or do you think that may have triggered the avalanche?

KAYASTHA: Yes. That -- there is also a possibility that the earthquake triggers that avalanche, as well as since we have very high air temperature

in those areas now. Without heavy rain also, we are having such massive floods.

So, climate change or the increase in temperature due to what we are having heavy ice melt. So, that ice melt also may have caused such huge flood in

that area.

KINKADE: And was that blockage, that avalanche on the Tibet, on Nepal side of the border?

KAYASTHA: It's on the border side, between the India -- no, no. China and Nepal.

KINKADE: Is there a concern that there could be another surge in water? Is there any other blockages along that river that you know of right now?

KAYASTHA: Just a few hours before, five, six hours before when I contact our Chinese friends in Chengdu, they're saying that still the blockage,

this dam as about seven meter water depth.

KINKADE: You said -- you said -- so you're saying that the dam, what was the depth you said?

KAYASTHA: Seven meter.

KINKADE: And so what caused --

KAYASTHA: Seven meters.

KINKADE: So you're saying that --

KAYASTHA: That -- that dam was --

KINKADE: Go ahead.

KAYASTHA: So when we have this ice avalanche from nearby glacier, that glacier is on the Nepal side, and then it blocked that Lhende River, which

was transboundary between China and Nepal. And that blockage may release huge amount of water.

So after releasing that huge amount of water, which came down very fast, very high speed in the downstream, which devastated the downstream areas,

ad still after that devastating in the downstream, still they said there is about seven meter water.

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KINKADE: So, how stable is that glacier in Nepal, the one that, you know, was part of this avalanche that caused this massive surge in water?

KAYASTHA: So, we have lots of glacier, more than 3,800 glacier in Nepal. Mostly those glaciers are dangerous.

And in this case, in this Langtang Regions, where we have today's flood, there also we have a huge glaciers and the glacier which came out as an ice

avalanche, is also seems they've discovered with lots of crevasses that may have created lots of the soft surface water also.

Because if we have lots of crevasses, then there is high chance of water beneath. And that may rush out together with ice and other debris,

including some rock, which may block that Lhende River. And after a few hours, maybe it has already breached.

But what we were -- we have to confirm that while checking that the planet plus -- Planet Labs satellite, we didn't see a huge blockage or the lake

formed by that landslide.

But anyway, there is a huge ice avalanche and rock avalanche. We can see -- we can confirm from that planet plus -- Planet Labs satellite image.

KINKADE: So, what is happening right now? What are authorities doing to shore up that region, to ensure that this doesn't happen again?

KAYASTHA: So, authorities are just now concentrated on the rescuing and helping the survivors.

And last year also, we had a similar flood in the same area. And we are proposing that we need to keep some early warning systems so that we can

warn the people in the downstream.

The one difficulty in this area is that in the China-Tibet part, there is no settlements. Nobody is staying there. So, we don't know what is

happening there.

If there are some glaciers, then they will tell us that there was a landslide or the rock avalanche or the ice avalanche, it blocked the river.

And there is a -- a huge lake was formed like that.

But since nobody is there, so in downstream, we didn't know. We came to know only when the floodwater came. That was the main problem in such

remote areas of Nepal, Himalayas.

KINKADE: Dr. Rijan Bhakta Kayastha from Kathmandu University. We really appreciate your perspective and analysis right now. And we wish you and all

your people out there in the country all the very best. Thanks for your time.

KAYASTHA: OK. Thank you.

KINKADE: Well, it's a situation so horrifying. It's almost impossible to imagine, but a former Israeli hostage kidnapped by Hamas on October the 7th

and held for more than two years was asked to dig his own grave.

Now, in an exclusive interview with CNN's Bianna Golodryga, Evyatar David takes us back to the moment of sheer terror and describes this surreal

experience unfolding around him.

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BIANNA GOLODRYGA, CNN ANCHOR: There were far too many days, however, that you weren't fed. And that brings me to that video that the world saw of

you, emaciated, forced to dig your own grave.

You've said that it was the commander, the Hamas terrorist commander, who picked you for that video because you looked worse than everyone else that

was there with you.

Just talk about that moment.

EVYATAR DAVID, EX-HOSTAGE: When they're telling me to go with them for the grave, when they wanted me to -- to dig, so they took me like 50 meter walk

-- 50 meters walk. And for me, it was almost -- I almost collapsed. It was almost impossible for me to do.

And I'm telling them that it's very hard, but they didn't release and didn't really care. And were also going to take me inside their room, the

terrorist room. I can hear them laughing and eating cakes and drinking tea like there's -- there's -- like there's no person that walks like next to

them that looks like a skeleton. It's surreal. It was very frustrating.

But this is how they are. They're very cruel.

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KINKADE: Well, you can see the entire interview airing on "Amanpour" in about 40 minutes from now. That's also going to be on our website at

cnn.com.

Well, still ahead on "One World," as the parent of any teenager knows, monitoring your child's social media use can be daunting.

Now, they could be getting some help from a very unlikely source. Details of a landmark settlement involving Meta, next.

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KINKADE: Well, the company behind Facebook and Instagram have reached a settlement totaling nearly $18 billion to end the lawsuits centering on the

harms of social media to children.

Now, the case was bought by a group of 29 U.S. states, alleging that Meta intentionally designed platforms to get young people addicted to them

harming their mental health.

Now, four of the states were seeking as much as $1.4 trillion in damages. Now, as part of the settlement, Meta has agreed to make changes to its

platforms, including establishing daily time limits for teen users.

Now, the California attorney general issued a statement saying, "Today, we have secured a settlement with Meta that will make social media less

dangerous for our kids and make a world of difference for children and for their families."

Now, CNN's Clare Duffy is following the story and joins us now for more on all of this. Clare, this is an enormous settlement paid up by Meta in the

middle of this trial. Just take us through the details.

CLARE DUFFY, CNN TECH REPORTER: Yes, Lynda. I mean, this is $18 billion settlement. Many of the state attorneys general have called this the

largest settlement ever in history with a big tech company. And that money will help go -- go towards states, programs to fund mental health

initiatives, youth online safety initiatives.

But even more important than the money here is the changes that Meta has agreed to make to its platforms. And I'll just walk you through some of

those changes. Meta has agreed to set a default two-hour daily time limit for users age 13 to 17 across both Facebook and Instagram.

It will input a daily night mode that will block access to the apps from midnight to 6:00 A.M. Also a school mode that will reduce the number of

notifications that teens get during the day. It will prompt teen users every 15 minutes of continuous scream use to try to get them to be a little

bit more conscious of their scrolling. It will also turn off likes by default on teen posts and remove access to extreme makeup filters.

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All of these addressing things that the states had said contributed to this youth mental health crisis.

Now, we should say that Meta has not -- has not admitted to wrongdoing as part of this settlement, but these are really significant changes to how

its platforms operate. And Meta is also calling on TikTok and YouTube to take similar steps here.

In fact, Lynda, as part of this settlement, Meta will be paying out 70 percent of that $18 billion settlement to the states to begin with. And the

30 percent will only be paid out if TikTok and YouTube agree to make similar changes. And so really, we could see an industry-wide change here

because of this massive agreement.

KINKADE: Just incredible. So, they haven't admitted wrongdoing, but they are giving $18 billion to settle the case, but I'm certain that parents

will be happy with some of these -- these changes.

Clare Duffy, good to have you with us. Thanks so much.

DUFFY: Thank you.

KINKADE: Well, we have breaking news from the entertainment world. Actor Tim Curry has passed away at the age of 80. He's best known for his role as

Dr. Frank-N-Furter in "The Rocky Horror Picture Show," but has had a varied film and Broadway career.

Curry has been wheelchair-bound since the stroke in 2012, but continued to work as a voice artist and released his memoir in 2025.

Well, let's bring in CNN entertainment reporter Lisa Respers France. Good to see you, Lisa. Another sad day of news.

Tell us what we know about the circumstances of Tim Curry's death and how he is being honored and remembered today.

LISA RESPERS FRANCE, CNN ENTERTAINMENT REPORTER: We know that he was in poor health for quite some time. As you mentioned, he did suffer that

stroke in 2012, which necessitated him having brain surgery and landed him in a wheelchair for the rest of his life. It was a terrifying situation,

given that when he was a child, his father actually suffered a fatal stroke.

So, he's being remembered today as just a fearless actor who was able to take on practically any role. He did amazing voices and playing that cross-

dressing mad scientist made him famous, but also made him a cultural icon, because he's spoken about the fact that many people reached out to him to

say that that role helped them deal with their sexuality.

It was, you know, such a pivotal role for him. And he is -- was such a journeyman when it came to the different roles that he played. And so fans

and Hollywood are just remembering him very fondly today, Lynda.

KINKADE: And I was -- I was reading how incredible it was that despite, you know, being wheelchair-bound and unable to work on cameras and actor, he

continued to do all this voice work as a voice artist, you know, in the last couple of decades. Just tell us about the life, his extraordinary

work.

FRANCE: Just incredible work. I mean, everything from "Rocky Horror Picture Show" to "Clue" to playing Pennywise, the clown, in the original "It," the

T.V. miniseries where he terrified people.

And I think that it was partly one of the reasons why he was able to continue to do that voice work is because it felt like he could make his

voice do anything.

That character in "The Rocky Horror Picture Show," he gave a very posh British accent, which he said that -- that accent was almost German, but he

heard a posh woman speaking and he thought that's it.

Likewise when he played Pennywise, you know, he gave this like really rough New York style accent that you would not expect from a U.K. actor.

And it's -- it's tremendous when you think about the fact that he got his start in the original London production of "Hair" back in the 1960s. And he

lied, Lynda, about his -- his amount of experience he had and about the fact that he had an equity card to even get that job. So what a career he

forged for himself.

And he loved the craft of acting so much that even after he was wheelchair- bound, he continued to work as you point out, Lynda.

KINKADE: Yes. An extraordinary talent. Tim Curry passed away at the age of 80. Our thoughts are with his family and friends. Lisa France, thanks so

much.

FRANCE: Thank you.

KINKADE: Well, still ahead on "One World," it is the final day of testimony in the trial of a mother accused of killing her three children. We'll have

the latest in the Lindsay Clancy murder trial, next.

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KINKADE: Welcome back to "One World." I'm Lynda Kinkade.

Back now to our top story, the deadly flash flooding that has engulfed villages on both sides of the border between China and Nepal. At least 95

people are confirmed dead, but the death toll is expected to rise. Hundreds of people are missing. We need to warn you that the video you're about to

see is disturbing.

This is security camera footage showing the moment a wall of water and debris, taller than the building crashes down, wiping out everything in its

path.

Multiple communities have been absolutely overwhelmed. Nepal's foreign minister says the flood was unleashed after an earthquake triggered a major

landslide, blocking the path of a river that flows through Nepal and Tibet.

Earlier, I spoke to a Nepali helicopter pilot who witnessed the flash flood from the air.

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AMAN BUDATHOKI, HELICOPTER PILOT: The whole scenario, it was horrendous. It was uncanny anything like you've ever seen before. We even saw some houses

and some trees being swept away and everything like that.

And we could -- we could see every infrastructure, all the hydro powers, all the infrastructure (INAUDIBLE) developed by the government being swept

away alive.

And it was horrendous situation. We tried to contact anybody around, but we couldn't. And we tried to go to the border side, but due to the flash

flood, the thick dust, the thick dust smoke had covered the whole visibility, so we tried to divert back.

And about 15 minutes later, we were in contact with another airplane that was flying near the vicinity of the flooding. We contacted that guy and the

pilot from the airplane contacted under ETC and then relayed our message about how devastating the whole situation was. So, Nepal went through a lot

this morning.

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KINKADE: And that helicopter pilot did tell me that he did return to help with the rescue and recovery mission and is going to go back at first light

tomorrow. We will continue to follow this story as it develops.

Well, the prosecution's final witness is back on the stand in the Lindsay Clancy murder trial. The closing arguments are likely to be heard tomorrow.

Now, Clancy's defense team argues that she was suffering from postpartum psychosis when she killed her three children. On Tuesday, jurors heard from

an FBI psychiatrist who said Clancy's claim that she was experiencing hallucinations were unusual and inconsistent.

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For more on today's testimony, let's bring in CNN's Jean Casarez. Jean, so, the central question, of course, is not whether Clancy killed her children,

but whether she was responsible legally for them at the time.

We have heard, you know, the defense saying that she was suffering severe postpartum psychosis that was made worse by the medication she was on.

Talk to us about that evidence that you've heard over the last few weeks and what's being said today, because I know you've just come out of court.

JEAN CASAREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That's right. Let me tell you what's happening right now. This is the final witness we believe for the

prosecution. It is a rebuttal witness. And they are now on redirect.

So, the prosecution is getting the last -- last ability to tell this jury what that prosecution witness has to say. And this is Gregory Saathoff. He

is a forensic psychiatrist. He is with the FBI in their behavioral analysis unit. And he interviewed Lindsay Clancy virtually two times in May and

June, 11 hours altogether.

And this morning started off, because remember, the defense is saying, it's commanding voice that is telling her to kill her children. So, the

prosecution began this morning by saying, did that voice tell her where to kill her children? No. Did that voice tell her when to kill her children?

No. Did that voice tell her how to kill her children? No.

And today, for the very first time, we have heard the prosecution say the word "the murder weapons." Those exercise bands, they are now referring to

as the murder weapons. And they went into with this witness that she made the decision to take each child down individually into the basement.

She made the decision to take the exercise bands who were already in -- they were already in the basement to use them as ligatures around their

neck.

He also said on direct examination that he felt the phone call, in the midst of it all, from Patrick, who is at the CVS to Lindsay, is very

important because not only did she speak rationally, according to Patrick, but she didn't say, you've got to help me. Something is happening. Come

home. None of that.

The focus has been that the responsibility is on Lindsay Clancy. I want you to listen to a little bit of sound from this morning.

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GREGORY SAATHOFF, FORENSIC PSYCHIATRIST, FBI'S BEHAVIORAL ANALYSIS UNIT: She was able to drive to the pediatrician's office and then back. And the

day was really one of significant control. The activities that she engaged in that day, spending time with her children with Play-Doh, taking them

outside to -- to build a snowman, sending photographs of the children to her -- her mother to her husband on Instagram, fixing lunch and -- and --

and also fixing dinner for the children. So, the activities of that day were controlled.

CASAREZ: We can really see a very distinctive picture from both sides now. The defense is -- is looking at a big picture of the providers of the

postpartum depression and how so much medication was given to her, in low doses, and she didn't take it all, but then that morphed into a psychosis

that created the situation on January 24th.

Prosecution, narrowly focused that day, what she did, how she did it, the decision she made, rational thinking. And it will be up to the jury, very

soon, to determine what the true facts are and what the verdict should be.

KINKADE: All right. Jean Casarez, we will continue to follow this closely. Appreciate you there for us at the court.

Well, as we have stated before, Clancy's defense argues that she is not criminally responsible for strangling her three children because she was

experiencing postpartum psychosis.

Well, time now for The Exchange. Here to discuss is Dr. Susan Hatters Friedman. She is a professor of psychiatry, pediatrics, reproductive

biology and law at Case Western Reserve University. Thanks so much for joining us.

SUSAN HATTERS FRIEDMAN, PROFESSOR OF PSYCHIATRY, PEDIATRICS, REPRODUCTIVE BIOLOGY AND LAW, CASE WESTERN RESERVE UNIVERSITY: Thank you so much for

inviting me, Lynda.

KINKADE: So, we're now close to the end of this trial. And -- and as we just heard from our correspondent Jean, after weeks of testimony, we've had

very different psychotic -- psychiatric assessments.

What do you think is the most important thing for the jury to understand about Lindsay Clancy's mental state?

FRIEDMAN: Sure. That's an important question. I think one of the big issues here, and I'm speaking both as a reproductive psychiatrist and forensics

psychiatrist. It's important to understand the diagnosis that she has, that any defendant has, but then not to conflate having a mental illness with

that necessarily equals legal insanity.

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So, part of the standard for insanity is -- is you need to have a mental illness to get over the first threshold, but then the issue becomes, did

the person, therefore, not know or appreciate that their actions were wrong? Or -- or because of the mental illness, could they not conform their

actions to -- to legal lawful actions?

So, it's -- it's not just the matter of the diagnosis, it's -- it's this additional hurdle that -- that needs to be focused on when the jury

deliberates.

KINKADE: Yes, because it's interesting hearing the defense say that she was experiencing, you know, severe postpartum psychosis, but prosecution

experts are saying, you know, she was, you know, mentally ill, but certainly understood what she was doing even on the day that her children

were killed.

How can someone be profoundly mentally ill, even psychotic, and yet potentially still be legally responsible for their actions?

FRIEDMAN: Sure. So, this is something that -- that is the bread and butter kind of work of forensic psychiatrists doing evaluations of -- of people

who are defendants in the legal system and really focusing on right around the time of the crime, what was going on in their mind? What was their

mindset? What symptoms did they have? What functional abilities did they have?

And -- and -- and then at the time of the offending, what was their understanding of the wrongfulness? What was their ability to control their

actions?

And so separate from this specific case, thinking about the postpartum mental health issues, that -- that is a piece that -- that forensic

psychiatrists evaluate and -- and -- and think.

I think we try to get as much information as -- as possible. So, from collateral sources, from the defendant themselves, from their past medical

records, from police records, from bodycams, et cetera, to really be able to focus on what was going on in that person's mind.

Now, people have mental illness and can engage in certain actions for all sorts of different reasons or motives. Sometimes it is intricately related

to the mental illness, the action that they engage in that gets -- gets them arrested. Sometimes it's -- it's not so related.

And so this is the sort of assessment that forensic psychiatrists do very often to -- to really think about what was going on for that person in the

context of their mental illness and how that impacted or -- or did not impact their understanding of the wrongfulness and their ability to conform

their actions.

KINKADE: The prosecution has challenged her account of hearing a voice commanding her to kill her children. What would a genuine command

hallucination typically look like? And does it present differently in different people?

FRIEDMAN: I'm sure it can present differently in different people. And I think what -- what we're hearing in the prosecution, witnesses, evidence is

how we, as forensic psychiatrists, look at when someone reports that they were experiencing a command hallucination.

So, is it consistent with the course of the illness that -- that they've had up until then and -- and after that? And if they are hearing a voice

instructing them to do something, why are they following that voice rather than discarding it? Is it a voice they recognize, a voice they don't

recognize? Is this something that they've been hearing for a while or -- or a brand-new experience?

Have they heard other voices that haven't commanded them to do something? What are they doing to avoid doing that thing?

And also, is -- is that voice saying something that is -- is consistent with other thoughts they've had or delusions that they've had? Or -- or is

it -- is it not? Does it seem to them like it's the voice of God? Or does it sound like someone else they know?

And these are all questions that we might ask when a defendant is -- is reporting, hearing command hallucinations that they then followed.

Otherwise, you might imagine that many -- many defendants who -- who didn't have a command hallucination might report that they did. And that's

something that -- that a forensic psychiatrist is -- is very used to thinking about, asking questions about.

KINKADE: Dr. Susan Hatters Friedman, we appreciate your perspective on this case. We will continue to follow it closely as it comes to an end. Thank

you.

FRIEDMAN: Thanks very much.

KINKADE: Well, at least 14 babies have died in a newborn ward in Islamabad in one of Pakistan's deadliest hospital fires in recent decades. The blaze

appears to have been triggered by an exploding air conditioning compressor.

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CNN's Gage Goulding reports.

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GOULDING: When you really think about it, this fire started in what could be the worst part of a hospital, a nursery, where infant children. We're

talking about babies, maybe just a few days old, recently born, were, and they can't fend for themselves here.

We're told that this fire started around 7:00 A.M. local time on Wednesday. Sources telling CNN that an air conditioning compressor exploded, starting

that fire in the hospital.

And at this time, what we're also being told is only one baby was able to be saved. And more than a dozen children were killed in this fire.

I mean, you could only imagine, these are parents that just went through what could be one of the most joyous experiences of their lives now facing

burying their young children.

The prime minister of Pakistan saying that he's, quote, deeply saddened and vows an investigation and to hold anybody that is responsible to the

strictest of penalties.

The government there, actually, forming a fact-finding committee to investigate this. But it's important to note that government facilities,

especially hospitals here, are chronically underfunded.

There had been hospital fires before due to aging infrastructure. So, whether there truly is an investigation to be had, that's something that

will come out.

But I think there's nothing that is more important right now than thinking about the families that now have to bury their young children. More than a

dozen babies killed in this fire.

Gage Goulding, CNN, Hong Kong.

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KINKADE: In a country as vast and sparsely populated as Namibia, access to healthcare has long been a geographical challenge. A Namibian start-up is

helping to bridge that gap and is part of a broader health tech movement across the continent.

In today's Africa Insider, we take a closer look at the telemedicine platform OnCall. It's providing medical support to remote communities such

as wilderness retreats and giving staff and guests peace of mind out in the desert.

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SHAIDINE ARAR, FOOD AND BEVERAGE MANAGER, ULTIMATE SAFARIS: We're in the middle of nowhere surrounded by boulders and the slowly scenery. A lot of

Namibians work in these remote areas and also for guests as well. Anything can happen out here. It's very far away.

AUDREY CHEBET, SENIOR RESEARCH ASSOCIATE, BRITER: In remote communities, when you think about healthcare, it's as much logistics and access problem

as it is a medical problem. Without the right, you know, tools and supplies, scarcity breaks down.

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And what we're seeing health tech do is trying to solve that last mile, trying to figure out how do we get medicine, how do we get diagnostics and

care to those people who are, you know, in remote region.

ARAR: If a self-member or a guest asks for medical assistance, we contact OnCall, asking a doctor to call and consult.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hello?

ARMID AZADEH, CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER, ONCALL: Hi. This is Dr. Azadeh from OnCall. How can I help?

GIDEON MYBURGH, COMMERCIAL DIRECTOR, ONCALL: In Namibia's rural landscape, we solve the accessibility problem by providing telemedicine support and

services on a 24/7 basis.

We provide medication on-site. So, lodges, mines across Namibia, they all have a small pharmacy set up on-site, so that we again can close that loop.

ARAR: In the beginning, there was a bit of hesitation from the staff, but I think the more they get to use OnCall, they realize that guests can be

assisted immediately and medication can be prescribed to guests immediately and to staff as well, rather than them having to wait or to travel further

distance to get treated or to see a doctor.

AZADEH: Maybe something just to rub on the muscles.

ARAR: And if a further test needs to be done or x-rays, then they get referral letters and without having to go through the whole process again.

MYBURGH: It's changing that mindset of knowing that you can actually get things done quicker. It's more effective.

As soon as we change people's minds, then all of a sudden, that network grows, and the word spreads, and people get comfortable with the new ideas

of healthcare.

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KINKADE: Well, the world is mourning a legend in the entertainment world. Dolly Parton has died at the age of 80. Her family announced that she died

peacefully in Nashville Tuesday after a brief battle with cancer. And tributes to pouring in all over the world showing just how many lives she

touched through her music, her movies, and philanthropy.

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KINKADE: That's one of Dolly's Parton's earliest hits, "Coat of Many Colors." One of the many songs that tells the story of her humble

beginnings as one of 12 children. By the time she was 13 years old, she was on the stage at the Grand Ole Opry.

Well, Dolly was also a sharp businesswoman with an eye towards the future. At just 28 years of age, she turned down Elvis Presley's offer to remake

her classic, "I Will Always Love You" because she didn't want to give up half of the publishing rights.

Dolly had already recorded a secret song that will be released on what would have been her 100th birthday in 20 years.

Well, Dolly Parton knew a thing or two about what makes her hit over a nearly seven-decade career. However, in just the last five years, she

earned 82 sales certifications across 14 countries. Among them, Japan, where back in 1979, she was one of the first foreign country music stars to

perform, and where she earned a devoted following.

Well, thanks so much for joining me for this edition of "One World." Our thoughts are with Dolly's friends and family.

I'm Lynda Kinkade. Do stay with us. "Amanpour" is next.

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