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Trump Offers No Details on Russian-Ukrainian Energy Ceasefire"; DOJ Probing U.S. T.V. Networks Over Response To White House CNN Ban; Michigan Deaths Raise Questions About potential Serial Killer; Lancet: A.I. Is Among 17 Potentially "Catastrophic Threats"; The Impact Of Rising Diesel Prices On U.S. Businesses And Consumers; Paris Ceremonies Celebrate Love Without Marriage Commitments; Aired 12-1p ET
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BIANNA GOLODRYGA, CNN ANCHOR: Hello, everyone. Live from New York, I'm Bianna Golodryga. You're watching the second hour of "One World."
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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: That's a war that should have never started. And I think it's time for Ukraine to get a new president.
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GOLODRYGA: One day after those remarks, President Trump says an energy ceasefire between Russia and Ukraine is in full effect. The Ukrainian
president says Russia has already violated it.
Also ahead, when someone commits a crime, they are prosecuted. But what happens when the criminal is A.I.? We'll discuss.
And later, I do, but I don't. They're walking down the aisle to profess their love, but it doesn't have anything to do with marriage. We'll
explain, coming up.
We begin with the Kremlin not commenting and neither is the White House following a surprise energy ceasefire announcement by President Trump over
the weekend between Russia and Ukraine.
However, after initially saying that it was news to him, Volodymyr Zelenskyy vowed Kyiv is on board if Moscow agrees to the terms. What those
terms are yet isn't clear. No details have been released.
On Sunday, President Trump posted on social media that both Ukraine and Russia had agreed to the energy truce without elaborating further. But
earlier, a frustrated Zelenskyy said the Russian attacks haven't stopped.
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VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY, UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT: Immediately after the post, Russia launched a targeted strike on a power plant in Kharkiv, causing
further damage to our energy system. It was clear that Putin does not read Truth Social.
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GOLODRYGA: It all comes days after Trump announced a controversial deal with Vladimir Putin that would allow Russia to supply diesel to global
energy markets as the Iran war continues to drive prices up worldwide. The U.S. president defended it by claiming the E.U. had paid Russia $250
billion for energy.
CNN's Kevin Liptak joins me now live from the White House. It's interesting because the latest defense from the president, that and saying that the
E.U. is being critical here in their payment to Russia, is coming piecemeal. Each day, we get a new announcement from the president. The
president seems to be trying to justify it.
And there's concern, not only from Democrats, but Republicans as well here even the legality of this allowing diesel sales in the U.S. is
questionable, also questionable how much it would even impact the cost of diesel for consumers.
What are you hearing from the White House today, Kevin?
KEVIN LIPTAK, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE REPORTER: Yes, and the president seems like he's very much going to stick with this plan. But you're right,
there's a lot of backlash, bipartisan backlash in Washington. They're pointing to this 2022 law that's actually made it illegal to sell Russian
oil in the U.S. until the Ukraine war comes to an end. And so how the White House plans to get around that, excuse me, remains to be seen.
There's also some real questions about what effect this is actually going to have on diesel prices. The numbers that the president put out on Friday
of how much diesel Vladimir Putin plans to put on the international marketplace are negligible when you think about what the actual demand is
in the U.S.
The president had it at about 500,000 tons for the entire month of November. That's about one day's demand in the U.S. And so this doesn't
seem like it will have a huge impact on prices.
But what the critics of the plan suggest it will do is extend this economic lifeline to Vladimir Putin at a moment when the war in Ukraine seems to be
kind of a standstill. There doesn't seem -- it doesn't seem as if Russia is gaining any kind of advantage on the battlefield.
Now, President Trump, when he was lashing out at Zelenskyy over the weekend, I think it was clear he was looking to make Zelenskyy something of
scapegoat for those higher diesel prices in the U.S.
The president saying that the United States had asked Ukraine repeatedly to stop targeting Russian diesel refineries because of the effect that it's
having on American consumers, but that Zelenskyy had refused and that he had continued to target those facilities. And that seems to have been what
draw -- drew President Trump's ire and now the pendulum in this, you know, very hot and cold relationship clearly swinging in the direction of cold.
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We're also told that the U.S. is now warning the Ukrainians that if they continue to target those facilities that perhaps the U.S. could cut off
intelligence sharing and could cut off the system whereby the Europeans purchased American weapons to transfer onto Ukraine, which would have a
significant effect on their ability to fight the war.
And so I think the president's frustration clearly creeping through here, not only that Zelenskyy, in his view, is refusing to compromise in a way to
bring the war to an end, although the president never talks about Russia having a compromise, but also the president looking for someone to blame
for some of these higher energy prices in the U.S., which are clearly causing him massive political problems ahead of the midterm elections.
GOLODRYGA: All right. Kevin Liptak live from the White House. Thank you.
The Trump administration sent a warning to Ukraine over the weekend, stop striking Russian energy sites, or the U.S. stop sharing intelligence and
European purchases of U.S. weapons. That is according to two European officials.
Now, as we said, President Trump announced what he calls an energy ceasefire, Matthew Chance has this report from Moscow.
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MATTHEW CHANCE, CNN CHIEF GLOBAL AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT: I mean, think it's -- I think it's unlikely that either side is going to want to directly
contradict or confront President Trump on this issue. I think they know pretty well how volatile he is.
You know, I've tried to speak to the Kremlin. I'm looking at my social media messaging with them now, asking them about this issue. There's been
no public announcement and they haven't read my messages, frankly, so, you know, we'll wait to see what comes out.
Volodymyr Zelenskyy, the president of Ukraine, has responded, basically saying that it is important that a ceasefire becomes a reality. So, not
actually confirming that a ceasefire has been agreed.
In fact, a Ukrainian official told CNN in Ukraine that the Truth Social post that President Trump made was the first they ever heard of it. So, you
know, it seems that once again, President Trump is -- I mean, out in front of the other parties when it comes to announcing these deals.
There have been ceasefires like this in the past. There were two in 2025, which didn't sort of result in much. There was one earlier this year in, I
think it was -- it was in January this year, which lasted for a couple of days.
It may -- it's not clear whether it will be different this time. But I think what is different this time is that, you know, Trump, President Trump
has so much more at stake. He is facing the midterms, as -- as you all know over there. He's got really high prices at the pump, you know, diesel
prices, gasoline prices as well.
And he needs to show the American electorate that he's doing everything he can or at least something to try and -- to try and alleviate that -- that
painful price and cost that they're paying before those elections take place. And so I think that may be what is at play here.
That diesel deal, remember, came just 24 hours ago, just -- just before this energy ceasefire was announced, very controversial, basically lifting
Sanctions or energy sanctions on Russia to allow it to legitimately export its -- its diesel products and other energy products From Russia, which
would earn it billions of dollars, yes, of course, they're in revenue.
The really important thing about it though is it basically is a huge blow for -- for Ukraine because Ukraine has been targeting Russia's energy
infrastructure as a way of making it feel the pain for its -- for its full- scale invasion of -- of -- of Ukraine.
And it's also a big blow to the Western alliance. You know, for several years now, for the last four or more years, there's been a sort of joint
Western effort to try and isolate Russia, to try and punish it for its full-scale invasion. This very much puts Washington on the other side of
that -- of that divide. And so that's a big blow for Western unity.
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GOLODRYGA: All right. British Prime Minister Andy Burnham says that the U.K. strongly supports President Trump's call for a sustained energy
ceasefire between Russia and Ukraine to start immediately. And he declared it's the best route to get energy and fuel back into the world markets.
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ANDY BURNHAM, BRITISH PRIME MINISTER: Over 90 percent of Russia's oil producing capacity is now covered by U.K. sanctions. On diesel, the
quickest way to get it back onto world markets, without rewarding the aggressor, is an energy ceasefire, with both sides stopping their attacks.
I raise this with President Trump in New York. It is what Ukraine wants to see. And so I welcome President Trump's announcement yesterday of a
reciprocal energy ceasefire.
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GOLODRYGA: Nigel Gould-Davies is a senior fellow for Russia and Eurasia at the International Institute for Strategic Studies. He's also the author of
"Reshaping Russia: Power, Economics, and Statecraft." Nigel, welcome back to the program.
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So, you wrote yesterday that the president announced an energy ceasefire that neither Kyiv nor Moscow seems to have known about. Dmitry Peskov says
that only contacts are ongoing. Lavrov, the foreign minister, says Zelenskyy hasn't, quote, earned a ceasefire yet.
So, is there an agreement at all that you think has happened behind closed doors and maybe even through back channels? Or is this just President Trump
freelancing in a Truth Social post hoping something sticks?
NIGEL GOULD-DAVIES, SENIOR FELLOW FOR RUSSIA AND EURASIA, THE INTERNATIONAL INSTITUTE FOR STRATEGIC STUDIES: Freelancing would be a kind word. Perhaps
a truer one would be flailing.
This is a ceasefire that appears to exist in President Trump's imagination only. Neither Russia nor Ukraine was aware of it. And Russia made
dramatically clear that it wasn't aware of it by promptly carrying out new attacks immediately after this announcement on Ukrainian infrastructure.
So, no, this is -- this is not something that -- that exists in any form whatsoever beyond the president's words. Whether such a ceasefire could be
achieved is another question. I'm personally pessimistic, but maybe worth discussing the prospects of it.
GOLODRYGA: President Zelenskyy says Russia has hit a Kharkiv power plant and a gas facility this after Trump's post and after President Zelenskyy
said that he would honor his end of the deal here by not striking energy facilities.
If this holds, if Kyiv continues for as long as it can to -- to keep its word and not striking Russia while Russia continues to strike Kyiv, how
much of a win is this even in the short term for Putin?
GOULD-DAVIES: President Zelenskyy has made very clear, he would support a comprehensive energy ceasefire. And it's really important to understand
what this means, because the two combatant states are carrying out different kinds of damage on one another's infrastructure. In the case of
Ukraine, it's attacking principally Russia's oil refining capabilities.
Russia is carrying out attacks on the wider energy infrastructure, not specifically refineries at all. So, if there were a ceasefire that
addressed the problems and vulnerabilities of both sides, that would be fine.
It seems that President Putin is not interested in that. He wants to protect his refineries, but he's not ready to do the things and be held to
his word. That would -- that would make that possible.
So --
GOLODRYGA: We've --
GOULD-DAVIES: -- as things -- yes, sorry.
GOLODRYGA: Yes, go ahead. I'm sorry. Finish your point.
GOULD-DAVIES: Yes, yes. So -- so, as things stand, the -- that Russia is signaling very clearly that it's the one that doesn't want to sign up to
this ceasefire. And yet, unfortunately, and certainly not for the first time, President Trump is holding Ukraine, the victim that's willing to
agree a ceasefire, responsible, rather than the aggressor Putin who doesn't want the ceasefire.
GOLODRYGA: I was going to say that we've seen this very same act in sequence from the president earlier this year, I believe where he
threatened to withhold intelligence. Now, our reporting confirms the F.T.'s reporting that the president or the administration, in addition to
withholding intelligence, is even withholding possibly the sale of U.S. weapons to Europe that they then now provide to Ukraine.
What is the message that you think this sends to the Kremlin about how flexible the president may be to bend to their wishes, as opposed to what's
so obvious to the rest of the world that this was not only a war started by Russia, it's a war that can quickly end by Russia's actions too?
GOULD-DAVIES: Yes, absolutely right. This is certainly not the first time that this White House has threatened and even carried out the threat of
suspending the supply of weapons and intelligence.
It did that a number of times last year, notably in March of 2025, when for several days it cut the intelligence relationship and held back weapons. It
threatened to do that same thing again last November when it was touting the so-called 28-point peace plan, which ultimately went nowhere. So, we've
seen these kind of threats carried out before and indeed briefly implemented.
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What's I think new and more concerning now is the -- at least the prospect that -- that Trump might go further and impose this into the longer term.
So, this would be a permanent and not a temporary threat or punishment.
And we really would be in new territory there. That would be a significant setback for Ukraine, especially on the intelligence side. Europeans can
step in to some degree, but there's no question -- there's no full substitute for what America is subsequently is currently providing.
It wouldn't be devastating to Ukraine. Ukraine will fight on whatever because it knows the stakes. This is a war it is fighting for the survival
of its own society and culture.
But I do think it's significant that at this point, President Trump really, as much as anything, as an act of desperation. It seems to try to retain
his own political survival against the background of what are likely to be very unhappy midterm elections for him.
He's willing to carry out a step which is unpopular in his own country, not only in congress but in the -- in one wider public opinion.
And also, in addition, he is willing, through this new agreement to supply Russian diesel to America to carry out an action which appears directly to
contravene established American law to be illegal, to be illegal and unpopular for the sake of doing Putin's will. This is really, I'm afraid,
the situation which potentially lies ahead.
GOLODRYGA: And the Russians supplying the U.S. with the amount of diesel they would -- would marginally, at best, lower prices or have an impact for
consumers here, aside from the legal hurdle that they would have to maneuver around, as you just noted, and that's why you have a number of
republicans publicly coming out and condemning this.
Yet, the president defended this deal today saying that Europe has actually paid Russia some $250 billion for energy since the invasion began. That is
a figure broadly supported by independent estimates.
Does he have a point here? And could it be viewed as somewhat hypocritical that Europeans, that the E.U. itself, is still purchasing in some capacity
Russian energy?
GOULD-DAVIES: Europe is still, unfortunately, in a position where it has to purchase at least now some, as it were, molecules, albeit indirectly, many
of them are shipped to India first, then refined, and then sent on.
The key point is that Europe was highly dependent, far too dependent, frankly, on Russia for its energy supply in 2022. It has taken very, very
significant measures to reduce those quantities by around 80, 85 percent and firm commitments in place to completely cut all energy ties to Russia -
- with Russia from the beginning of next year.
So, if you take the total volume from the moment of the invasion onwards, yes, unfortunately, Europe has this -- kept this sort of historical
pattern, this historical inertia of importing Russian energy.
The key point is it is worth very hard at real cost to itself to eliminate that entirely. So, it's a sort of debating point. It's not -- it's -- and
it -- and it's an arrangement which is coming completely to an end. So, I would say it's not an honest argument made in good faith.
GOLODRYGA: And notably, it's one that's coming sort of in piecemeal as we discussed earlier, again, going to the argument that perhaps this is a
freelancing type of policy making by the president as opposed to something that's well thought out with a team of advisors.
We'll see what happens in the coming days and hours, but we appreciate the time and perspective. Nigel Gould-Davies, thank you.
Well, we are in the final stretch to the U.S. midterm elections, and only 22 days actually are left. The Republican Party appears to be scrambling in
the fight for Congress.
Many Democrats believe they have a real chance to win seats deep in Trump territory. The party is adding Kansas to a growing list of unlikely targets
as they try to also flip Texas, Alaska, and Iowa. Some Republicans worry the president's unpopularity is doing harm on the campaign trail.
On Saturday, President Trump made this odd comment at a Tennessee rally.
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TRUMP: It's amazing. When you stand up here, it's just like the love. I could say the stupidest things and you clap, you know, I love you so. But
we don't say the stupidest things. We say things of common sense.
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GOLODRYGA: Meantime, President Trump is deciding whether to fire the U.S. ambassador to Greece, Kimberly Guilfoyle. This comes as reports of
Guilfoyle's misconduct surfaces with sources close to the issue suggesting that she abused her position to gain money and lavish gifts.
Guilfoyle was engaged to Trump's eldest son for four years and was appointed the ambassador position shortly after their split. Here's what
Trump had to say on the issue.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: These reports about Kimberly Guilfoyle, your ambassador to Greece. She seems to have been --
TRUMP: I've just heard about it. Too bad. I mean, I don't know. She's -- she's an ambassador. I just heard a little bit about it. I don't know too
much, but she was always very nice.
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GOLODRYGA: Meantime, the U.S. Department of Justice is investigating five major U.S. news networks, including CNN, for possible antitrust violations.
The probe is investigating the boycott carried out by the T.V. pool after President Trump banned CNN from entering the White House.
CNN's Evan Perez has more on this story. So, what are we learning, Evan?
EVAN PEREZ, CNN SENIOR U.S. JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT: Well, Bianna, this is an interesting turn by the Justice Department. This is in reaction to,
frankly, the -- the reaction of the networks after President Trump banned CNN, MS NOW and "POLITICO" from entering the White House.
You'll remember that a judge stopped that -- that ban and has for -- at least for now, there's a temporary restraining order on the White House
enforcing it.
As a reaction to that, what has happened since is that the White House has chosen to ban CNN from being -- from certain parts of its responsibilities
as part of this T.V. pool. This is a group of reporters that take turns following the president, including at the Oval Office, on Air Force One, at
Mar-a-Lago.
And what has happened now is the Justice Department says that because of the actions of the networks that that could be an antitrust violation,
which is federal law that prohibits competitors essentially from cooperating.
The -- the -- the issue with this is that there is a lot of federal law. There's a lot of court precedent that supports what the networks are doing
or at least appears to support it. There's laws going back to the civil rights era where there were boycotts in reaction to, of course, some of the
racist laws in -- in the south of the United States.
And the Supreme Court upheld those actions. There's a couple of other legal precedents too that are in play. And so what we don't know is what will
come of this. It appears to be a pretty legally thin thing, but it is still a fight that is ongoing.
We did receive a statement from the -- from the Justice Department. I'll read you part of it. It says, "Members of the television press pool have
boycotted covering White House events. Group boycotts among commercial competitors can violate the Sherman Act."
And it says that, "The Antitrust Division is simply investigating to determine whether these news organizations have violated the antitrust
laws."
So, what's happening right now, Bianna, is that when CNN, it's CNN's turn to cover events as part of this news pool, what happens is the White House
refuses to allow CNN, and so there -- therefore, the networks do not substitute some someone else, another network to take CNN's place. That is
the way it's working right now.
Again, this is a choice that the White House is making, which is they're refusing to allow CNN to cover certain events. And, you know, they could
simply stop that and there would be no issue.
So, we'll see how far this goes. But at least at this point, it appears that there's a lot of Supreme Court precedent. There's a lot of law on the
side of the networks to be able to do this, especially because the First Amendment implications are -- are so clear. Bianna.
GOLODRYGA: And -- and these networks all presenting a united front in this issue as well. They continue to do so.
Evan Perez, thank you.
PEREZ: Thanks.
GOLODRYGA: The new White House press secretary, Katie Zachariah, will hold her first briefing on Tuesday morning, this according to President Trump.
It will mark the first time the White House has a press briefing in nearly a month.
The briefing comes just weeks before the midterm elections, with plenty of questions for the president as he weighs potential strikes against the
Houthis in Yemen.
All right. Still to come on "One World," Michigan police look for links after five deaths along the trail and it's now raising questions, could it
all be connected to a serial killer?
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GOLODRYGA: Police in Michigan are investigating whether they have a possible serial killer in the area, after a string of deaths, along the
popular river trail. Police say five men have died since last October along the Lansing River Trail. Authorities say they now believe the crimes could
be a, quote, pattern.
Let's bring in CNN's Randi Kaye who's been following the investigation closely. Randi, have they found any leads yet?
RANDI KAYE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Not yet, Bianna, but they are working on it. As you said, five men found dead and they do believe that these men may
have been targeted because they do fit that pattern of someone who might have been targeting white unhoused men. All of these men are unhoused. They
have nowhere else to go but to sleep on that river trail overnight. This is a trail that's in Lansing, Michigan. And it's about a 20-mile stretch. And
it connects a lot of the parks throughout the city. And they were all found along that same river trail.
Three of the five cases now have been ruled a homicide. Let me just give you an idea of what some of these injuries were to these men. They were
pretty brutal attacks. The first man who was found a year ago was found unconscious with head trauma and a collapsed skull. Others included stab
wounds, broken ribs, facial lacerations, broken bones.
Now, the police chief says that these attacks happened overnight. As I said, these men spent the night on this river trail. He said, they -- he
believes that they were attacked while they were lying down or maybe even sleeping.
And here's a little bit more of what the police chief had to say about the idea of this possible serial killer.
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ROB BACKUS, LANSING CHIEF OF POLICE: Outside of these five events, we have no other assaultive -- assaultive related deaths on the river trail. One
question that we are being asked is, do we have a serial killer in Lansing?
What we need the public to know is we are investigating all of these cases. They are all active investigations. And we are looking at the idea or the
possibility that these may be related cases.
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KAYE: So, the mayor is telling everybody that the area is safe for the general public because this is a popular spot. These trails are where
bikers go and hikers go and walkers and runners. So, he wants people to know that they -- that they are safe, he believes.
And in terms of the ages of these men, they range in age from 22, which was the most recent case, to 70 years old, which was in July of this year. And
they have now increased surveillance cameras and patrols in the area because there weren't any cameras that could capture this sort of activity
there at the time. And so they've increased that and the patrols.
And I should also note, Bianna, they do have one person in custody that may be related to this latest attack of the person who was the victim who was
stabbed, but they're -- they are looking at him, they're evaluating him, they're seeing if there's any possible connection to the other attacks on
the other men as well.
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But again, authorities certainly do seem to have their hands full as they look at this as a possible serial killer at work, Bianna.
GOLODRYGA: Yes, really frightening. I know you'll stay on the story for us, Randi Kaye. Thank you.
KAYE: Sure.
GOLODRYGA: And we'll be right back.
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GOLODRYGA: Interconnected catastrophic threats. That is the findings from researchers who say there are several of these threats posing significant
risk to global health and well-being around the world.
Their report published in "The Lancet" identifies 17 threats that pose the greatest danger. They include, among others, obesity and smoking. But the
research also points to two threats that pose a risk to extinction, nuclear conflict, and the malicious use of artificial intelligence.
Still, it's not all bad news. The findings say humanity can get its act together and intervene. When problems arise, there are any costs involved,
the question is, who should pay? A.I. companies have, so far, avoided major lawsuits over recent incidents where they failed to keep A.I. agents from
going rogue.
Time now for "The Exchange." Sarah Kreps is the Director of the Cornell Tech Policy Institute. She's also a government professor and adjunct
professor of law, both at Cornell University. Not to mention a non-resident senior fellow at the Brookings Institutions. And she joins me now. Sarah,
thanks so much for joining us.
So, I mean, let's just start with that question. When an A.I. agent goes rogue and acts in a way that explicitly no one has told it to or directed
to, who should be held responsible?
SARAH KREPS, DIRECTOR, CORNELL TECH POLICY INSTITUTE: I mean, I -- I think these are questions that we're trying to answer. And I think one way to
think about it is that you have these three different actors. One is the developer, one is the deployer, let's say a company, and the other is a
user.
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And so I think each of these has a different role to play in thinking about these questions. I think we tend to think about the developer. But let's
say a company, you know, gets an A.I. agent and says, get me the cheapest, my -- my employees the cheapest ticket, that's a very different
proposition. And let's say that agent then hacks, you know, an airline to get a cheap ticket. That wouldn't be the developer, that would be the
deployer of the company.
But then you can imagine a user itself getting into these agents and -- and kind of working it to also manipulating the agents.
So, I think these -- that might be a way to think about it, that these are different loci for culpability.
GOLODRYGA: I know you take issue with the word rogue as well. Can you explain why?
KREPS: Yes. I mean, I think that that word, and a lot of people are saying, you know, we're anthropomorphizing these agents, and these agents are
developed by humans. And I -- and -- and so that's where I think we need to be a little bit careful that these tests that are being done to understand
the agents are being done in a way that is giving them some degree of permission.
So to say it's going rogue suggests that it is exercising permissions that weren't given. And I think in a lot of these cases, these sandboxes were
created to better understand how these agents understand and -- and go right up to these boundaries.
So, that's, I think, the question is, what -- what do we actually mean by rogue? And -- and that we're -- we're -- we're making these machines into
humans, but it's really the humans are still generally controlling these agents.
GOLODRYGA: And in the introduction there, I noted that A.I. companies have so far avoided major lawsuits over recent incidents where they failed to
keep their agents from going rogue or staying in the sandbox however you want to -- to describe it.
And I wonder if this is similar to the issue we continue to face with section 230 back from 1996 as it relates to a federal law protecting online
platforms and users from legal liability for content put forward by a third-party.
I mean, are we finding ourselves in a similar, if not even more dangerous legal predicament now with these A.I. companies?
KREPS: Yes. No, I've seen that discussion about whether we -- how we should be thinking about liability in Section 230 and social media. And I -- I was
following some initiated legislation by Senator Hawley to try to ensure that these developers are not insulated from liability to make sure that
they are taking reasonable precautions and that they're not overly kept away from kind of these the existing law that would give, you know, that --
that does have in place questions of liability -- product liability.
And so that's another question, which is, do we have the laws in place to deal with product liability? Or are we dealing with something very
different? And I think that's what we're still trying to figure out.
GOLODRYGA: Isn't that alarming that we don't have these types of laws in place? I mean, we're seeing, once again, an example of technology fast
outpacing legal law precedent.
And, by the way, those that are writing this law don't seem to really have much knowledge and understanding about how this content works.
KREPS: I think that's the -- that's a real conundrum is that the developers are still trying to figure out the technology. And so the question is
whether legislators who understand the technology far less should be leaning into -- leaning into regulation.
I mean, the European Union did just that. And I think they're finding that this European Union A.I. Act is now very much overcome by events because of
it. You know, how quickly this technology is developing.
So, I think those are the trade-offs that, you know, A, we may have current legislation in place to deal with this. But B, that maybe that the
legislation that does get created is either too slow or doesn't fully understand.
And so I think that's what the developers would say, is that we're trying to understand this technology, then we can figure out how we can handle it.
GOLODRYGA: And then, of course, there's the question then of China and what role China would play in any of potential regulation. You've got some of
these founders and leaders of these A.I. companies saying China definitely has to have a seat at the table. Others say not so much.
So, a lot to be figured and sorted through. But I know these are conversations that you are having right now with other experts. So, we'll
continue to be following this.
Thank you so much, Sarah. Appreciate the time.
KREPS: Thank you. Thanks.
GOLODRYGA: Well, the rapid rise of the A.I. company behind ChatGPT is heading to the big screen. Actor Andrew Garfield plays OpenAI CEO Sam
Altman in the movie "Artificial."
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ANDREW GARFIELD, ACTOR: We're going to call it ChatGPT. We open Pandora's box together. The future is inevitable. Countries will fall. Industries are
going to collapse.
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GOLODRYGA: The film comes at a time when A.I. fears are growing along with its development. It centers around the dramatic firing of Altman and his
rehiring just five days later.
So, what made Garfield sign on to this role?
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GARFIELD: Just pure curiosity and -- and fear and kind of wanting to understand, not just the technology, which no one seems to understand
fully, including the people that created it and that are kind of bringing it into the world, but really trying to understand as deeply as possible
the people who are ushering us into this next phase of the world and culture.
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GOLODRYGA: The movie premiered at the London Film Festival on Sunday with critics calling Garfield's performance unsettling and transformative. It is
set to open in select theaters on Christmas Day and a wider release in January of 2027.
All right. Still to come on "One World."
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ANGEL DIAZ, CO OWNER, J.D. AND L.A. TRUCKING: We're only at 18 gallons and we're already 150 bucks.
NATASHA CHEN, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: I mean, it's not necessarily double what you're paying last year, or is it?
A. DIAZ: It's close to.
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GOLODRYGA: The rising price of diesel in the U.S. isn't just impacting drivers at the pump, but all consumers nationwide. Ahead, we'll introduce
you to two brothers in California now faced with some difficult decisions.
Plus, it's not a marriage ceremony, but love is still in the air. Details ahead on how couples, friends, and pet parents are celebrating the ones
closest to their hearts.
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GOLODRYGA: All right. Let's take a look at how the markets are doing. A mixed bag, the Dow up nearly four-tenths of a percent. The NASDAQ down
three-tenths of a percent. The S&P 500 just basically even at this point flat. This is your Business Breakout.
Oil prices are trading higher following reports of strikes and Houthi attacks on airports in Saudi Arabia this weekend. Brent Crude, the global
benchmark, rose by two percent today at almost $107 a barrel. It was near a two-week high. This comes amid reports of more attacks on tankers in the
Strait of Hormuz this month, all of which threatened September's recovery in Middle East crude exports.
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Starbucks said today that it is not buying Chipotle, ending speculation about the takeover. That would have been the biggest ever restaurant
acquisition, bringing together two of the largest U.S. restaurant brands. Starbucks shares were up by one percent in early trading, while Chipotle's
were down about four percent.
American professors Robert E. Hall and Michael Woodford have been awarded the Nobel Prize in Economics. The awarding committee celebrated their work
developing models that help banks and governments to stabilize their economies and minimize the impact of external shocks.
Here in the U.S., the price of diesel is down slightly from its recent peak last month but it's still 65 percent higher than it was last year.
California has been hit especially hard.
CNN's Natasha Chen rode along with two brothers who own a trucking company to see how the rising price of diesel could impact consumers nationwide.
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JORGE DIAZ, CO OWNER, J.D. AND L.A. TRUCKING: We are going to need reinforcements.
A. DIAZ: OK.
CHEN (voice-over): Angel and Jorge Diaz can tell the price of groceries around the country are about to go up.
CHEN: Like, potentially, frozen chicken or frozen turkey.
A. DIAZ: Yes, yes.
CHEN (voice-over): The brothers co-own J.D. and L.A. Trucking near the ports of Long Beach and Los Angeles. They took over the family business
when their father passed away. They have got 20 trucks hauling goods from the two largest and busiest ports in the U.S. A lot of it is perishable and
needing refrigeration, which takes more diesel.
A. DIAZ: Earlier this year, it was $5.15. Today, I checked it here locally, it's at around $8.30.
CHEN (voice-over): Diaz took me along to fill up one of their trucks as the price of diesel hit a new record.
A. DIAZ: We're only at 18 gallons and we're already $150.
CHEN: I mean, it's not necessarily double what you are paying last year, or is it?
A. DIAZ: It's close to.
So, if we would have topped off, we would have spent about $1,600.
CHEN: What?
A. DIAZ: Yes.
CHEN (voice-over): $1600 to fill up one truck. Each truck needs to fill up once or twice a week, and if their whole fleet runs at capacity, that's up
to a quarter million dollars a month.
TRUMP: The typical trucker will save over $100 every time they fill up.
CHEN (voice-over): And President Trump's recent executive order aimed at lowering diesel prices likely isn't going to help them. The order
temporarily lets truckers use a type of cheaper diesel called red dye diesel on highways instead of just off road.
But each state makes its own rules about where red dye die diesel can be used and how it's taxed, and California still has restrictions on it.
A. DIAZ: Unfortunately, it looks like we're in it for the long run, and that's the scary part.
CHEN (voice-over): There is still a crude oil supply problem, but more recently, a diesel production bottleneck, because major refineries in the
Middle East and Russia have been damaged by wars involving Iran and Ukraine.
Trucking companies have to decide how much of the increase to pass along to their clients, who then decide how much to pass along to their consumers,
like Lidia Sanchez.
LIDIA SANCHEZ, SHOPPER: We're the ones who are going to pay, you know. If we want to eat -- whatever we want to eat, we have to pay. It has to come
out of our pocket.
CHEN (voice-over): Sanchez has already cut down how much beef she buys, and Angelica Vasquez has taken on a second job.
ANGELICA VASQUEZ, SHOPPER: We just try to survive, and -- and -- and it's really hard, especially, for the gas. I hope the president gets more smart.
TRUMP: The gas will go down. As soon as the war is over, it'll drop like a rock.
CHEN (voice-over): The Food Industry Association says it takes 30 to 45 days for a spike in diesel prices to trickle down to prices in grocery
stores.
But Rolando Pozos is trying hard not to raise prices at all. He's the CEO of Amapola Market, a small chain of Mexican grocery stores in Southern
California.
ROLANDO POZOS, CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER, AMAPOLA MARKET: We can see how our suppliers start adjusting prices, and they put you that surcharge that we
all love to see, the fuel surcharge, and it's definitely hard to swallow.
CHEN (voice-over): Both Amapola and J.D. and L.A. Trucking are family-owned businesses, who have served their communities for decades.
A. DIAZ: It's going to get to the point where is this even worth? Is it worth operating?
CHEN: What would your dad say?
A. DIAZ: He would say that we've made it through worse, and that we're going to make it through this one.
CHEN (voice-over): Natasha Chen, CNN, Los Angeles.
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GOLODRYGA: Well, thousands march with Indian opposition leader Rahul Gandhi in New Delhi today, furious about millions of names that have been purged
from voter lists.
Police detained thousands more this weekend, including leaders of the student-led Cockroach Janta Party. The youth movement has been protesting
and demanding the resignation of the chief election commissioner.
And a night to remember, Olympic champion Zheng Qinwen is once again making history. This time as the first Chinese woman to win the China Open. An
elbow injury kept Zheng out of the spotlight for much of last year. But this weekend, she managed to beat French Open winner Mirra Andreeva.
After the victory, Zheng spoke about what's been motivating her lately.
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ZHENG QINWEN, WINNER, CHINA OPEN: Honestly, after winning this title, I felt like finally I achieved it. Finally, I -- once again, I've become the
one who's making new history. Because I always want to kind of beat myself, because everyone is asking me, you know, how great you achieved in 2024.
And I always say that the best is coming in the future.
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GOLODRYGA: Congratulations to her. And on Sunday she celebrated the historic win with a bit of karaoke for the crown. Multi-talented there.
Well, who needs a piece of paper to tell you that you're in love? Ben Hunte explains why some couples in Paris are celebrating their companionship
without a license or a ring.
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BEN HUNTE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): At the Grape Harvest Festival in Montmartre in Paris, love may be in the air, but marriage isn't.
SYLVIE, NON-MARRIAGE CEREMONY PARTICIPANT (through translator): It's really about hoping for eternal love rather than making a promise that might not
last the test of time in a marriage.
HUNTE (voice-over): Dozens of participants walked down the aisle in the annual mock ceremony to pledge their love, friendship and companionship in
a way that doesn't require a license or a ring, just a full heart.
ERIC LEJOINDRE, MAYOR OF 18TH ARRONDISSEMENT IN PARIS (through translator): It is a truly beautiful ceremony. There are many different love stories, a
great deal of freedom, plenty of joy, and above all, lots of good humor.
HUNTE (voice-over): The light-hearted event isn't just for couples, though. Friends can also take the plunge. And one woman brought her dog, Poppy
(ph), to profess her devotion to the loyal pup already sharing her life.
Many people wore flowers in their hair and dressed up for the whimsical affair. Others were more casual.
DOMINIQUE, NON-MARRIAGE CEREMONY PARTICIPANT (through translator): So, this is the third one. And, well, he's already been divorced twice, so I
wouldn't want to be the third.
HUNTE (voice-over): So, no I dos, nothing legally binding, just an expression of love that's not married to convention.
Ben Hunte, CNN.
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GOLODRYGA: This hour, a London suburb is proving that you don't need snow to go skiing. Organizers staged what they called a downhill skiing event in
Surbiton on Sunday. Since there was no snow, participants strapped blocks of ice to their feet and other objects and slid along a ski run made
slippery with water and detergent.
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Proceeds from the entry fee went to a local charity. See what little bit of ingenuity gets you? Look like they're having fun as well, even as they're
slipping and sliding.
All right. That does it for "One World." I'm Bianna Golodryga. Don't go anywhere. I'll be right back with "Amanpour" after the break.
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