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Interview with Barry Gibb; Deep Freeze in the Deep South; Justin Bieber Faces Assault Charges; Interview with Rudy Giuliani

Aired January 29, 2014 - 21:00   ET


PIERS MORGAN, CNN HOST: This is Piers Morgan Live welcome to our viewers in the Unites States and around the world.

Tonight, breaking news, another bomb shell for Justin Bieber mobbed as he arrived tonight in Toronto to face new assault charges over the beating of limo driver being questioned right now.

Also tonight, my exclusive with the legend Barry Gibb, the sole surviving member of the Bee Gees talks for the first time about the tragedy of loosing all three of his younger brothers. And he has some smart advice for young Mr. Bieber.


BARRY GIBB, SOLE SURVIVING MEMBER OF THE BEE GEES: I just think it's time to grow up. Time to grow up and be what -- all these young girl love you, be a good example.


MORGAN: Plus, the frozen south is bad enough from the snows in Atlanta. But when two and half inches brings the night's (ph) largest city in America to a complete halt. Notice something badly wrong, I talked to one couple who had to give birth while stuck in traffic.

Plus, a great night for Rudy Giuliani to be here and that's the man known as America's Mayor. How big cities could be more prepared than Atlanta and whatever might happen. Plus, his take on the State of the Union. And if New Yorker's ready for the Super Bowl, I'm pretty sure.

I want to begin though with breaking news, Justin Bieber is facing assault charges in Toronto. Listen to all of his still pending dilemmas in California and Miami.

Joining me now to try and breathlessly keep up with Nischelle Turner. CNN Entertainment Correspondents, one is Michael Grieco a Criminal Defense Attorney and Former Prosecutor, and CNN Legal Analyst and Former Prosecutor, Mark O'Mara. Welcome to all of you.

OK, Nischelle, where the hell are we with Justin Bieber. It seems like almost every other day there is a new thing involving him ...


MORGAN: ... and the law.

TURNER: Well, it's funny because you've said breathlessly trying to keep up and you're right. I mean I was kind of done for the night and then all of a sudden this happens. It's the second time in a week we're talking about him and then running with the law.

Now, here's what we know about this latest incident, Piers, this happened just a little bit ago in Toronto. We do know that Justin Bieber was there, he turned himself into authorities in connection with the assault of a limo driver. This happened more than a month ago, it's about on December 19th, he was at a Toronto Maple Leafs' hockey game in the area and this apparently happened afterward.

We also know that he was appearing with his attorney, his attorney had been in touched with the authorities beforehand. So this was kind of a prearranged situation.

So it seems like he may have even known about this at the time of the other things. But he now has three open cases hanging over his head. This is no joke and it's no small thing for Justin Bieber anymore. This is really, I think, becoming a very serious problem.

MORGAN: Is it or is it more occasive (ph) he is struggling to turn into a fully fledged adult. He wants to break away from squeaky clean Justin. And at the same time, he's become a magnet ...

TURNER: Right.

MORGAN: ... for every police officer who wants to make a name for themselves because big questions are being asked about what went down in Florida. It maybe now that his DUI charge was based on -- according to the police reports that are now being leaked. The fact that he was actually under the legal limit, he maybe OK on that, we don't know yet.

But, you know, again the limo driver. Are these people now looking for their piece of fame? Is that an accurate ...

TURNER: You know, it was ...

MORGAN: ... question go ask?

TURNER: ... it's interesting that you asked that. Because there are definitely two schools of thought here and now in the situation in Miami, we can tell you that they did plead not guilty to all of those charges today. His attorney did. So they are going to fight that, it will -- could likely go to a jury trial in this situation.

You're right, when the test came back from the DUI, it showed that him breathalyzer was a 0.014 which is even lower than the legal limit for an underaged person to have.

MORGAN: Which is already very, very low.

TURNER: There you go.

MORGAN: I mean much lower than for an adult.

TURNER: And the GPS in the car that he was driving in Miami did comeback. The owner of that exotic car company where he rented the car from said that the GPS showed 15 minutes before the arrest that there -- the car was not going more than 55 miles ...

MORGAN: Right.

TURNER: ... an hour. So there are some things that come into question and could it be? Yes. But could it also be that Justin is a kid with a lot of money, a lot fame, and making some pretty poor decisions right now. I mean that could all ...

MORGAN: Or to be fair to him because I like the Beibs, is he making decisions that most kids of his age will be making if they suddenly came into huge fame and money and how serious is it?

Well then let's go the lawyers because you guys can asses whether from a legal perspective he's spiraling out of control in a serious manner or whether we're all making a bit too much of this.

Michael Grieco, you actually consulted with Bieber's team last week after his arrest in Miami. I do find what's happened down there quite fascinating because - with serious question I think should be asked now of the police and their behavior over this shouldn't it?

MICHAEL GRIECO, MIAMI CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY & FORMER PROSECUTOR: Well, you've got a DUI allegation, you're talking about a breath reading that's under the legal limit which is 0.02. But you also have an allegation that he made statements that he had smoked marijuana that night. That he was under the care of a physician or that he was taking prescription drugs at the time. That's a bad cocktail and that's what leads to impairments. So there two theories in which one can be prosecuted for DUI.

Either being over the legal limit or alternatively being impaired or alternatively on the third option which is to be under the influence of drugs. So they've got three options in which they want to go forward on the DUI. And I personally know the officers on this case and they experienced officers, they've made hundreds of DUI arrests. So I don't know about these allegations of it being flimsy case.

MORGAN: OK. Mark O'Mara, let's take the whole Bieber legal actions into a totality and address the issue of his potential deportation from United States because there is an official White House petition on the official side there.

I know all about these because there was one that was launched about me to have me deported and the President Obama had to spring to my rescue. But he actually got even more than I have now, he's got over 130,000 signatures which means the White House will compelled to respond. Is there a serious risk here of Bieber being deported?

MARK O'MARA, CNN LEGAL ANALYST AND CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, if Justin Bieber is sort of a criminal light right now. Yeah, I think he needs to get control of himself and those people who are advising him need to tell him to get his act together. But egging a house, not particularly serious, I'm not sure how you cause $20,000 with an egg unless it's gold paint signed by Peter Max but ...

MORGAN: Or a massive egg, yeah.

O'MARA: ... that's not all that much. Yeah. That's not too bad.

The event with the assault and the limo driver that could be an opportunity thing. The DUI down in South Florida, I would not be too concerned about it if I was Roy Black for couple of reasons.

One, it's less than a 0.02 not much alcohol. I agree with Mike the fact that there maybe a dangerous cocktail of marijuana and prescription drugs. It could make it much more serious but understand this, even if all of that existed in Florida in Dade County where this was. There's a thing called back on track which is a way to get rid of the DUI even if it is a legitimate DUI, do some community service, do some counseling and that is off your record.

So, even with that, not much there. Bieber is not going to get deported because of these three events no matter how many hundreds and thousands of people want to get on board with that. But he does need to sort of get control of his people though because he has a great opportunity.

The opportunities here is he can tell his fans, those 15 and 16 years olds, this is not the way to act, don't go driving, don't go drinking and driving, don't egg houses you don't need to and be careful with the people around you. And I think he had really take this as an opportunity to make something of himself.

Look, doing 55 miles an hour in a Lamborghini, that's first gear. So that's not all that serious of an event but he does need to wake up.

MORGAN: Right, I mean Nischelle these goes back to my sense about this. Which is that if you take any of these individual things and you look at the mitigating circumstances, you've got a young kid with loads of money and fame, a lot of pressure and everything else behaving in a quite a naughty way, I guess, chucking eggs around is a bit silly, and he's in Lamborghini but not going dramatically fast, the DUI it seems to be very low levels of alcohol.

I can't help but think that everywhere this kid is going right now there is circus around him ...

TURNER: Well that's ...

MORGAN: ... which is generating its own heat.

TURNER: There, you just saw the video tonight ...

MORGAN: Right. Complete chaos.

TURNER: ... and turning himself in, you know, it's right. So I think you're exactly right with that. There is something to be said here for a boy that's growing into a man and that is trying to find himself. I do agree with you on that, I know. He just did. His last in-depth interview he did was back in November 2013. That was with the Hollywood reporter. And at that point, he said, you know what? I'm happy with the man that I'm becoming.

He's manager Scooter Braun, said look he's got to make his own mistakes, he's going to make some mistakes. We've got to let him makes some mistakes. And I think they're right, if you look at all of these incidents separately. They are kind of small, but when they happen in this short of time frame, and we keep seeing things over and over again then you get kind of worried about a kid because what happens if he makes not a little bad decision but he makes ...

MORGAN: Well, it's very interesting, I mean tonight I've got amazing an interview with Barry Gibb, he's the last surviving member of the Bee Gees. He actually is oldest of the brothers, he lost three of his brothers, two were the Bees, one Andy died when he was 30. And the parallels that he draws in Justin Bieber and that ...


MORGAN: ... actually he's taking and brother Andy is fascinated even down to having wild animals and monkeys and so and stuff. He saw that happen with Andy and saw Andy die at 30. And he is very concerned about Justin Bieber. So I recommend you all stick around and watch that. But for now Nischelle, Michael, Mark thank you all very much indeed.

Now we get to watch Nischelle's special, it's a great showing us Justin Bieber's wild ride tonight, 11:30 right here on CNN. Everybody is talking about the Biebs tonight.

But now at Atlanta. Now, presently the storm, these two gridlock nightmares and not finger pointing and yet there's a silver lining in the middle of all these and despite being stuck in traffic during the storm, Nick and Amy Anderson gave birth to a baby girl, and they're joining me now.

Welcome to both of you.


MORGAN: Now, you're joining us by phone. I would imagine that you would love to have had more technology available to you at that time. Tell me about your dramatic night.

N. ANDERSON: You know, it was certainly an adventure much like everyone else in Atlanta. You know, we experience a little bit of the gridlock nightmare. You know, I was trying to get home, Amy had been trying to call me on my cellphone to let me know that she was very much going into labor and contractions were getting pretty strong. And you know, it took me about two hours to get, you know, five or six miles and get home to them, so it was pretty scary. MORGAN: And Amy, I mean for you, you're on your way to the hospital. Your husband and two daughters, you get these contractions, you have to pullover due to the terrible conditions. What are you thinking? This is like every mother's nightmare.

AMY ANDERSON, GAVE BIRTH DURING SNOW STORM: It actually is. It's really all blur, but we were going and my husband is driving on the side and everyone is beeping at us because they're all in the gridlock. But we came to a stop but we couldn't get through at all, and so that's not totally -- we're going to have this baby in the car.

MORGAN: And how did it all go?

A. ANDERSON: I don't have anything to compare it to but he called 911 and the operator was very helpful just to kind of walk him through how -- I mean that they sure they -- just what exactly to do.

MORGAN: And Amy, I mean obviously every mother will be fascinated to know -- did it all go fine? Did you feel like it was unproblematic in the end despite the terrible situation?

A. ANDERSON: It was sheer blessing that everything went well, the girl was healthy and doing great. When we gave her the name Grace it just fully explained the whole situation just by the grace of God that we all came out healthy and we go rushed into the ambulance, they got us to the hospital and we're doing great.

MORGAN: Well, that's fantastic to hear. Grace Elizabeth is doing very well. You're all doing well as a family, a wonderful and what could have been a pretty alarming night for you all. So thank you very much indeed for joining me.

Nick and Amy Anderson, a lovely story out of what was a very bleak night for many people.

When we come back, someone who knows how to deal with crisis in a big city, America's Mayor Rudy Giuliani, what would he have done with this mess done in Atlanta?


MORGAN: Atlanta is one of the biggest cities in the country and things are a mess. What a perfect time for my guest. His operative (ph) experience making crunch time decisions and handling emotions in these situations. The Former Mayor of New York City, Rudy Giuliani.

Rudy, welcome to you.


MORGAN: What do you make of -- what's going down in Atlanta? I mean obviously they're not really used to this kind of huge deluge, a lot of blame game going between the Mayor and the Governor and so on. I don't really buy the, "We didn't think it was going to be this bad." there were plenty of warnings. GIULIANI: Yeah. Usually, this is a function of did you prepare in advance or didn't you? I call it -- I wrote a book about leadership. I have a chapter called Relentless Preparation.

MORGAN: Right.

GIULIANI: A lot of it comes from cell removal.


GIULIANI: Because I had two of the worst winters in the history of the city when I was the mayor.

Relentless preparation is the key to emergency performance whether you're talking about a terrorist attack, you're talking about a snow storm, hurricane. The reality is these things should have been prepared in advance. The state should have known what it was doing. The city should have known what its doing.

MORGAN: Who is ultimately responsible?

GIULIANI: Well, in my case, I mean I don't know Atlanta and the jurisdiction there. In my case, it will be the mayor of the city of New York.

MORGAN: Right, so the Mayor Kasim Reed really ought to be taking responsibility.

GIULIANI: The removal of snow, dealing with weather conditions, hurricanes, black outs it's the mayor's responsibility.

MORGAN: Yeah. Yeah.

Let's move on to other responsibility. The State of the Union, what do you make of the speech last night by the president.

GIULIANI: I thought I heard it about four times before.

MORGAN: I would not disagree with that. I thought it's a bit disappointing.

GIULIANI: It was very disappointing because it indicates he hasn't done what he say he was going to do. I know you're a big proponent of gun control, well, he did that in the last two or three speeches.

MORGAN: Well, and also I found -- what do I found with gun control?

GIULIANI: Well, let's see, you have mentioned ...

MORGAN: He seems to say less and less about it.

GIULIANI: Well, he said less and less about everything. I mean he's going to put a little more taxes on carbon, well, you know, he did that before. He's in favor of raising the minimum wage. He's going to do that again. How is he going to create jobs by extending unemployment insurance? I don't know. MORGAN: It looked to me he had a guy who is very frustrated by the way Congress has thwarted his ambition, and he quite regularly said to the speech, I'm going to be doing executing orders ...

GIULIANI: Well, I'll tell you ...

MORGAN: ... and been implying it taking my own decision. Can he do this ...

GIULIANI: That was a calculated -- I think that was a big mistake because he basically sent down a market for himself. But he basically said, "I can accomplish this on my own if you don't ...

MORGAN: Can he?

GIULIANI: No he can't.

MORGAN: As president, can you ...

GIULIANI: No. It can only ...

MORGAN: ... do the things he's saying?

GIULIANI: ... half of it will get challenged in the courts, half of it will get all returned as being executive overreach. He basically said, "If you don't do what I want, I will govern by executive order." which by the way as a senator, he was bitterly opposed to it.

And when you do that, you take the risk that you've overstep the executive authority, you violated the separation of powers, and you can have that reversed by the Supreme Court. He's had about three of them reversed including his interim appointments during congressional recess and recesses. He's had those reversed by the Supreme Court already.

MORGAN: Can any President in his position right now really achieve a great deal more in the rest of his second term?

GIULIANI: Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton did. But if you go back and listen to their State of the Union speeches, you don't hear them saying, "I'm going to govern by executive order."

MORGAN: Right.

GIULIANI: In fact, when a President is going to govern by executive order, you don't signal. You just do it. You don't signal because you get Congress angry at you. Bill Clinton governed by figuring out how to do things with Newt Gingrich. Ronald Reagan had to deal with the Democratic Congress and accomplished a tremendous amount.

But what you heard in their speeches was a much more conciliatory, much more agreeable tone than the president have last night.

MORGAN: You were mentioning the guns thing. Let me just play exactly what -- exactly what he said about guns last night. This is the entirety. (BEGIN MOVIE CLIP)

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Citizenship means standing up for the lives that gun violence steals from us each day. I've seen the courage of parents, students, pastors, police officers all over this country who say, "We are not afraid" and I intend to keep trying with our without Congress to help stop more tragedies from visiting innocent Americans in our movie theaters, in our shopping malls or schools like Sandy Hook.


MORGAN: I mean what is -- ironically, he is attending to a high school in Tennessee tomorrow. It's a pre-plan visit. Just last night, a 17-year old student shot his 15 year old friend at an apartment. There have been 36 or 37 school shootings in America since New Town.

GUILIANI: Right and he's accomplished nothing.

MORGAN: But this is my point--

GUILIANI: (Inaudible).

MORGAN: This is a man who promised the families of New Town as I'm your president -- he's been down there several times. "I am your president. I will get action on gun control." Last night, this frankly I thought was pretty disgraceful to have two paragraphs almost dismissing any efforts, really.

GUILIANI: Well, I think -- I think the sentence with or without Congress means without Congress.

MORGAN: Right.

GUILIANI: If I stood in front of the city council and said "I'm going to do this with or without you I might as well count them out''-- I don't know.

MORGAN: But what can he do about gun control saying without Congress?

GUILIANI: He can do more -- he can do more enforcement on the justice department. That's about it. There isn't very much he can do. If he wants to do gun control and you and I don't agree on this completely but if he wants to do gun control, he's got to be willing to make concessions to the Republicans on things that they want.

Bill Clinton, through the Crime Bill, was able to get a certain level of gun control. But you know what he gave to the Republicans? He gave the Republicans a death penalty. He gave the Republicans 100,000 police officers.

MORGAN: Right.

GUILIANI: He gave the Republicans much longer sentences for drug dealers which he now wants to remove. MORGAN: (Inaudible).

GUILIANI: You have to know how to -- you have to add, as a president, you have to be willing to say, "This is my priority. I'm going to go for that then I have to give away three of four (inaudible)."

MORGAN: Well, it's to do deal, right?

GUILIANI: But I have to give away somethings that my constituents my not like. My base (ph)...


GUILIANI: ... might not like in order to get it.

MORGAN: But that he's going to say.

GUILIANI: He doesn't seem to be able to do that.

MORGAN: And that's pretty much, (inaudible) present for long time.

GUILIANI: Clinton and Reagan could do that and Bush could do that to a certain extent.

MORGAN: It's the art of doing a political deal, isn't it?

GUILIANA: Yeah. I mean that's what it's all about and (inaudible).

MORGAN: Give and take and you have to surrender stuff. You don't really want to surrender.

GUILIANI: And your base is going to get angry at you for some of the things you surrender. When you make a decision, this is more important to me.

MORGAN: But he is not prioritizing gun control, is he?

GUILIANI: Not prioritizing anything.

MORGAN: My opinion about is regardless of my position to anybody else is if you're the President of United States to me and you go down to the worst school shooting in your country's history and you make a promise to those families, "I will get action on gun control" and you end up doing nothing and then in the next state of the union speech you make which is a year later, you basically just dismissing it in two paragraphs, I think you're failing those families.

GUILIANI: Yeah and we could go over a whole host of other issues where very much the same thing happen and then after the speech, you can hear five Democratic senators basically separating themselves from him.

Basically, they don't want him there when they're campaigning for re- election because they're on stage -- in a marginal (ph) stage.

MORGAN: We saw this pertaining Representative Grimm, Grimm by name, grim by nature. He was threatening to throw a young reporter off a balcony. Does New York politics meets New York media?

GUILIANI: I know Michael, really (ph). He is a good friend. Michael was a former FBI agent and a former marine. I think maybe the marine came -- the marine part came out of him and that was probably was.

MORGAN: Have you ever threaten to throw a reporter over balcony?

GUILIANI: I don't think I've ever threatened.

MORGAN: Let us do what he says.

GUILIANI: I don't think I've ever been threatened but don't -- but don't go back and check. Please, no.

MORGAN: Let's see Representative (ph) Michael Grimm brings back any memories. Let's watch this.


REP.MICHAEL GRIMM, NEW YORK: I'm going to throw you (inaudible).


MORGAN: I'm going to throw you off the (fucking) balcony, an anchor, a little boy, I think. I'm not -- I couldn't you imagine you possibly doing that Rudy?

GUILIANI: Well, I hope I ever did. I'm sure I don't like for you to check but he did do the right thing. He called him today, he apologized. They're going to have lunch together and hopefully they're going to make up.

MORGAN: There was one moment, I think we can all agree, was a very special moment last night. This is when President Obama saluted Sergeant Cory Remsburg.

GUILIANI: That was a beautiful moment.

MORGAN: Who then ten tools of Afghanistan like he said. Let's watch this again. You said it was very quite spine tingling.


OBAMA: My recovery has not been easy, he says. Nothing in life, that's worth anything, is easy. Cory is here tonight and like the army he loves like the America he serves, Sergeant First Class Cory Remsburg never gives up and he does not quit.


MORGAN: Yeah he joined in his 18th birthday, 10 deployments, in fact, to Iraq and Afghanistan, a true American hero. And it was a moment of real unity I felt last night, wasn't it?

GUILIANI: Yeah. We all agree on that. I mean we all admire that and we all realized that everything we have here that we're enjoying is because of him.


GUILIANI: And because of sacrifice of Cory, all those people, and it's wonderful for the president to recognize that.

MORGAN: Final question, very quick. You got 10 seconds. Who's going to win the Super Bowl?

GUILIANI: I think Denver.

MORGAN: Yeah. I'm going with this. I'm going with the Seahawks.


MORGAN: One of us will be a genius by Monday.

GUILIANI: I'm reading on paper.

MORGAN: I'm betting on Mr. Chairman. I think he's going to take everybody down. Rudy, good to see you. Come back soon.

Coming up, (inaudible) 20 million albums sold and the voice of the disco era, The Bee Gees, one of the successful bands ever. Barry Gibb is the last remaining of the four brothers. He joins me exclusively "In The Chair" after the break.


MORGAN: In 1958, three young brothers joined together to form a music group called the Bee Gees. The trio's music helped to find the disco era, the '70s, the one of the biggest (inaudible) in the world, selling an incredible 220 million albums.

With me now is the founding member of the Bee Gees, launching his US solo tone mythology, a tone live in May, legendary Barry Gibb is in the chair. Barry, so good to see you.

BARRY GIBB, SINGER, SONGWRITER: Thank you. I'm glad to sit here.

MORGAN: I've heard a lot of you recently because for being one of the old time great British music stars. A lot people celebrating the Beatles this week in the 50th anniversary...

GIBB: I -- yes, yes.

MORGAN: But you guys did something even the Beatles ever did. Let me know this but the Bee Gees' the only group in music history to write, produce and record six straight number one hits. Not even the Beatles did that.

GIBB: Well I, you know, that's -- I'm proud of that. I don't know how we did. And I think Robert Stigwood is probably that the person I would point out and say he, you know, "He did that" because Robert was a genius. And he opened the doors for us that would never been open to their lives. So, you know, and you never on your own. It takes a whole bunch of people to make something like that happened. Just be a really lucky.

MORGAN: It's a strange thing talking to you now is that I met you with brothers over the years.

GIBB: Yes.

MORGAN: There are sometimes and things and we had...

GIBB: I know.

MORGAN: ...lot of fun stuff there. It feels strange to me to be seeing you on your own. It must feel a hundred times strange if you to be going out in toll (ph)...

GIBB: Yes.

MORGAN: know, I mean, with your brothers.

GIBB: Yes, well I mean I did -- I did mope around for a few months, good few months. And the whole family did. Nobody really knew how to deal with it all because it's the lost of three brothers.

MORGAN: Because Andy was 30...

GIBB: She was only 30 years old, yes. So it was all of that. And then we have to go through that valley, you know, the whole family. Even now my mother is still and one way or the other, she goes up and she goes down, but you know.

MORGAN: Your mom is in her '90s.

GIBB: She is in the '90s.

MORGAN: And you were the oldest brother.

GIBB: Yes I was the elder brother. Yes.

MORGAN: So it seems, doesn't it? It seems strange that...

GIBB: It is strange.

MORGAN: ...that your mom and you.

GIBB: Yes.

MORGAN: ...have not survive the three (inaudible) guys.

GIBB: And my oldest sister, Leslie. So she lives in Austria and I think the last count, eight children. So she's keeping it all going in her way, you know. And yes Leslie, me, and mom and we have the memories now. We have the memories.

MORGAN: When you back over it at all, I mean, you must have extraordinary memories.

GIBB: Yes. MORGAN: What, for you, were the great highlights? The moments, if I could replay them for you now...

GIBB: Yes.

MORGAN: would choose.

GIBB: I would choice the time before we have a -- before anyone knew who were because in those days we lived on the beach, went to school in Redcliffe which was paradise, we are on our way to Austria at that point, probably the most magical moments of my life because the three of us arrived in Australia in Melbourne, in my birthday, 12 -- I was 12 years old.

The rest was incredible. I mean, we did all the first live television in Australia. We did to him. Those were the best experiences to me because nobody -- because it wasn't about fame. I was just about what was going to happen tomorrow. When you come and get another show and...

MORGAN: Can I have a kind of guess...

GIBB: Yes.

MORGAN: ...I guess of an innocence about it?

GIBB: When I turn.

MORGAN: Kind of excitement because you just didn't know what was going to happen.

GIBB: Yes. And not knowing is really, in the end, the most fun.

MORGAN: When you achieved the kind of stratospheric superstardom that you guys did in the 70s, the absolute -- so the personification that the disco era in many ways and (inaudible) that he was on. Would it came huge fame, huge money all the trappings and glory and so on? You're hinting I guess from your previews comments that it's not always crack up to be...


MORGAN: ...the fame and the money.


MORGAN: ...the glory that you aspire.

GIBB: Well, I suppose -- it isn't because in all the good stuff and then there's this a fact of fame is something that takes hold of you. And then decide what you do with your life. And I never really enjoyed that at all and I enjoyed sort of knowing what I was going to do. And knowing what my brothers and I were going to do. But fame is an animal. It just takes hold of you and said "Well, so this is who you are. This is what you going to do."

MORGAN: Tell me about your brothers? Just talk with Andy 'cause you lost him when he was 30 years old.

GIBB: Yes.

MORGAN: And I guess he'll always be in your head.

GIBB: Yes.

MORGAN: A 30 year old young man.

BARRY GIBB: Yes, yes. And Andy was like -- Andy was mostly like me. Maurice and Robin were not alike. But I like him also in many ways. Andy and I were the two guys to play tennis and Maurice and Robin never really did. It just didn't really interest them. But that's -- but Andy was sort of like almost like my twin brother. But he was -- he was not as lanky as me. I was very skinny and lanky and he was strong.

MORGAN: And when he died and he was you and twins....

GIBB: Yes.

MORGAN: ...did you feel slightly disconnected? Is that inevitable when two of your brothers are twins?

GIBB: I think we became disconnected about 12 years ago and then when we lost him, Mau, Robin and I gravitated back towards each other a little bit and it's always been twins and the older brother. So there was a little difference. I think they always talk to each other more than they talk to me and so that's twins, you know.

MORGAN: What causes that kind of risk between siblings who've been so close? Is it simply being together too much? Is it the precious outside forces of fame and so on?

GIBB: It's, I guess, its' the difference between being a group and being brothers in a group or being sisters in a group, you know. And there's another kind of rivalry which is really in the blood, you know. And who wants to be the favorite child, who wants to be the favorite performer, who do they the love best, you know. And parents always love the youngest the best so, we all knew our own mom and dad love Andy, you know.

But I think mom and dad loved all of us and didn't know really how to divide that up. We were competitive, we were -- we were always kind of trust ourselves out front, you know. Robin was really competitive with me and Maurice was the middle guy. Maurice was the guy that would then mediate, you know. Robin and I were the ones have a clash and he has beautiful voice and that I'm always going to miss that because there was nothing more fun that harmonizing.

MORGAN: I heard that when he was dying and I was (inaudible) into you Robin and she's always on the show and I was so sorry not to do that and -- but I heard that you wrote a song for him. You actually went and sang it for him.

GIBB: I did. Yes, I did and I will get down the recording because of I got my studio refitted. And I'm going to make records with my kids, with Steven and Ashley and the song is called "The End of the Rainbow." And it's sort of -- it's like a lot of songs that I have. It's sort of like bits of papers around the house and you know I have to go look for songs. Well there's one, another (inaudible), you know. There's one -- another one called "One Million Years" which I have somebody in mind but I haven't presented yet. But songs keep coming (ph).

MORGAN: But that must have been, for you, a very special moment to write a song and sing it to Robin...

GIBB: Yeah.

MORGAN: ...knowing you are losing him and...

GIBB: Yeah.

MORGAN: ... knowing you are losing your last brother -- your three brothers.

GIBB: Yes, yes. It's a very strange experience to know that you have no brothers now. That's unusual. That's weird. I mean, I have a hard time dealing with it. But my whole family has hard time dealing with it. So coming to terms with this slowly, but I really miss them.

MORGAN: I bet you do.

GIBB: And what I miss more than anything else is how much we used to laugh because we were the good ones, you know. And anyone who has known the Google (ph), they should check them out because that was our way of life.


GIBB: We always put everything into those terms.

MORGAN: Barry, stay with me 'cause -- tell us more about the Bee Gees phenomenon. And certainly, a lot of people recalls one thing. You've been immortalized on Saturday night live. I'm going to get your reactions on that when we come back.



BARRY GIBB: And it's me you need to show. How deep is your love -- is your love. How deep is your love? I really need to learn because we're living in a world of fools.


MORGAN: The 1977 hit "How Deep is Your Love" which was number in the U.S. for three weeks. I'm back with Bee Gees member, singer, songwriter Barry Gibb.

It's fun to listening to your music, Barry Gibb. You must hear this so many times but that's such a template of my youth and even now, every party I ever go to at some stage somebody would put on a Bee Gee's record and the place explodes. If I said to you what you can only play one Bee Gee's record, which one would you choose.

BARRY GIBB: I have to be -- it would have to be "How Can You Mend a Broken Heart."

MORGAN: Why that one?

GIBB: Because it's really about lost love in all young people. And for me, it was a reflection on the first crush I ever had, what it was like, and I was always dumb. So what if it's like being dumb, you know. I think I would just so possessive and I always had to be -- I always had to fall in love.

MORGAN: And then you've had one - you've had one of the longest successful marriages.

GIBB: Right, right.

MORGAN: You have 44 years. Why did you marry her?

GIBB: Well, we met on the set of Top of the Pops when "Massachusetts" was number one and then we had a cup of tea in the canteen of the BBC and then we had a couple in -- and (inaudible) and time stood still.

MORGAN: And how do you manage that because -- and so, this is so listed with broken marriages, how have you managed to sustain such a lasting love do you think?

GIBB: Because I think we've just always been in love. That's the truth of it. We never really saw other people. Once it happen, that was a, you know...

MORGAN: You've never looked to anyone else since she's always in love with you?

GIBB: Well, I think we've both loved. I think it's OK to look, you know.

MORGAN: I want to play a clip. This is "Saturday Night Live." This is brilliant. This is Justin Timberlake with Jimmy Fallon and of course somebody joins them.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's a very good talk show.


GIBB: Hard to watch.

MORGAN: Absolutely. And it's very -- you were funny here. Hard to watch, why?

GIBB: Because I hate looking at myself with different ages. When people put things in front of me to sign, it's always a different age, and it freaks me out, you know, this is me 10 years ago, this is me 20 years ago. It's hard to go from being able to do anything with your body to not being able to get out of bed. But you have to live with that stuff. And -- but, you know what, my throat still feels great.

MORGAN: I was going to ask you. You're going out on tour...

GIBB: Yeah.

MORGAN: ...and I think about you're going out with your son...

GIBB: Yeah.

MORGAN: ... and also Maurice's daughter which -- is that right?

GIBB: Yes, Sammy? Yes.

MORGAN: It's a wonderful way continuing the family.

GIBB: I think it is too. And it -- but it sort of happened organically. It's like we just sort of came towards each other and started singing and that worked out great. And she is lovely, and you know what, she likes up the stage. And my oldest son Steven, who is this sort of primeval sort of hunk who have -- plays greatly guitar and sings great. And so, it's all -- yeah. And it's nice to look around the stage. And when I look at the side of the stage, my daughter is on the teleprompters, you know, so I get to see her eyes at that -- on that side of the stage and I can tell by her eyes whether things are working.

MORGAN: And how is your voice -- because the Bee Gees voices were so utterly unique. I'm sure it's one of the reasons that you have such launch everything, isn't it? They really were unique voices.

GIBB: Oh, because we're always experimenting and that was part of it. Robin's vibrato was wonderful and he's a great singing voice. But Robin wasn't a social singer. We would sit around -- Maurice and I would sit down singing all night, you know, but Robin was -- I got to go now. He never really got into that, you know, but when it was time to sing, Robin sang, you know.

MORGAN: And how's the -- how's your voice on that, I mean, how is it compared to what it used to be?

GIBB: It's OK.

MORGAN: Did people expect you to talk about that?

GIBB: Yes.

MORGAN: We got a big movie, you know, airing at tomorrow night on CNN about the 60s invasion focusing on the Bee Gees of the 60.

GIBB: Yes, yes, yes.

MORGAN: But a nostalgia about that. Did you and the Beatles hang out much or not?

GIBB: Not really. I think, you know, I think Maurice did because Maurice is married to Lulu at that period of time and that they used to go to a lot of Beatles things and -- but there was a place called the Speakeasy which was underground where everybody went and you'd have the Beatles and The stones and The Who in one room, you know, easy and all of the shredding could be on the stage of Sam and Dave (ph). Those were days where, you know, there was a coffin in front of the door and if you have a membership card then the wall went around...

MORGAN: Fabulous.

GIBB: ... and it was just an incredible world.

MORGAN: Let's take another break. Let's comeback and talk what Justin Bieber with you.

GIBB: Yeah.

MORGAN: You think on teenage superstar. I want to know what advice you may have for the Bieb. After the break. Hold you're thought.



MORGAN: "Jive Talkin" in 1975, yet another number one hit for the Bee Gees. Barry Gibb is back with me now in the chair. You had amazing number of people that you've written hit songs for forget the Bee Gees says, Janis Joplin, Barry Manilow, Olivia Newton-John, Elvis Presley, Kenny Rogers, Diana Ross, Nina Simone, Barbra Streisand, Tina Turner, you had albums with Kenny Rogers, Diana Ross, Barbra Streisand, (inaudible), Neil Moore (ph). Amazing. Portfolio and stuff that you turned out really.

GIBB: It is to me too. Because I never know what's going to happen tomorrow and if somebody wants to -- first with Janis Joplin, we didn't work with it (ph). She just talk "To Love Somebody" and recorded it. So people do that.

MORGAN: What advise would you have for Justin Bieber? A lot of people talking about him in a moment (ph) and you're in a great position to judge because you had to come through all this teenage superstar.

GIBB: Yeah. Well, what I see with Justin Bieber is, is sort of what I see with Andy, you know, and...

MORGAN: Your brother Andy?

GIBB: Yeah. Having (inaudible) wall (ph) -- he had imperfect role (ph) and that's a shame because this is a great talent. This kid's got a great -- great gifts, you know. And I would like to do the things he does. I would like to dance and do all those wonderful things that even Justin does, Justin Timberlake, you know. So, in that level, I'm sort of envious but, I just think it's time to grow up, time to grow up and be what -- all these young girls love you. Be a good example, you know.

MORGAN: Do you need people around you telling you that? Is that part of the progress?

GIBB: Yes. And you have a lot of people around you that just wanted to have a party, you know, and leave off what it is that you're getting attention for and I think that's the problem. It's always the problem. Buying wild animals is one of the first signs, like my Andy had a baby lion, Justin had a monkey.

MORGAN: Right.

GIBB: And I go on, OK.

MORGAN: Here we go.

GIBB: Here we go.

MORGAN: You see the signs.

GIBB: Nothing matters. I can do what I want. It's a shame and I think it's more of a shame for his parents because they're probably really told woman (ph) the other, you know, they love their child, but it's not too much about what's going on. Yeah, I feel for it. I feel for the whole...

MORGAN: Yeah. I feel for him. Yeah. He said, "I'm a free kid."

GIBB: But same time...

MORGAN: Throughout his age and it's...

GIBB: Yes.

MORGAN: Only image how hard it is. It's something you give a lot...

GIBB: Yeah.

MORGAN: ... of billion dollars and say, "He has the biggest sponsor on the world."

GIBB: Yeah.

MORGAN: I mean, it's going to get to their heads.

GIBB: But there will be a brick wall if you don't went grow up quick. Grow up quick.

MORGAN: Good advice. I want to play. This is you and your brothers in 1997. Both so cool (ph). Let's watch this.


BEE GEES: I just want to get closer than close to you. I know that one way or the other any test of my faith will do. And lovers fall for lovers' friends. We make each other cry. Living in each others lives. And tryin' to make the fantasy come true.


MORGAN: Very poignant lyrics there obviously. When you go out Barry without your brothers on this tour and they've already started it, what did you got in America in particular when you enjoyed such huge fame? What would be your favorite memory or perhaps the big times with your brothers, not the early days (ph)?

GIBB: Yeah, being around the microphone together.

MORGAN: Just like that, just singing.

GIBB: Being around my microphone and actually being able to do with each others breath and knowing what it is we're all doing. And we would all be able to know, this is good, this is working tonight, you know, and the other night, we'll be (inaudible) go, "it's not working," you know, and we don't know that, you know, best moment...

MORGAN: Let's just listen a little bit more of this.


BEE GEES: I just wanna get closer than close to you. I know that one way or the other. Any test of my faith will do. I give my heart for you to break.


MORGAN: You know, I find that really sad.

GIBB: Yes.

MORGAN: But, you know, in a way, in a sense that I have such great memories of the Bee Gees.

GIBB: Yeah, me too.

MORGAN: You know, for me, it is so much of my life just as the fad...

GIBB: Well, thank you.

MORGAN: ... and there must be so many millions like me around the world.

GIBB: All I can say is wonderful, wonderful memory. That was mostly on that song and...

MORGAN: What you would like the Bee Gees to stand forward to be remembered for, what do you think?

GIBB: A song writing, beyond anything else and harmonies, you know, there was no great approach.

MORGAN: Just write great songs that everyone could enjoy.

GIBB: Yeah. Not every song, not every song we love got sales (ph), but we knew we may have great one and like (inaudible) in the stream we just thought it new and Maurice would tell, "Why don't we record it?" You know...

MORGAN: I sang that on this very show with Kenny Rogers

GIBB: Wow.

MORGAN: I was playing a Dolly Parton role.

GIBB: Well, Kenny said to me, "You know, I feel what with that songs about."

MORGAN: He exactly didn't what I say to him.

GIBB: So, you sang it?

MORGAN: I was the Dolly role. And Kenny sang his role. It was -- it was fair to say I murdered your best music.

GIBB: Oh, I doubt that. But you're wearing costume?

MORGAN: I was not in costume. Barry, I can talk to you nice being feminist talking to you. I'm a huge on and bash fan of you and your brothers...

GIBB: Oh, thank you Piers.

MORGAN: ... and I wish you all the best of success with Mythology, The Tour Live. Tickets are going to sale January 31st on Best of luck with that.

GIBB: Thank you Piers.

MORGAN: It's too exciting to see that (ph).

GIBB: In my pleasure. Thank you.

MORGAN: Great. Barry Gibb. We'll be right back.


MORGAN: Tonight, at 11 Eastern, Frozen State of the South seen a special live coverage for Brooke Baldwin and Don Lemon. On 11:30, Justin Bieber's Wild Ride.

That's all for us tonight. AC360 starts right now.