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Piers Morgan Live
Interview with Rudy Giuliani; Interview with Paulina Porizkova; Interview with Bubba Watson
Aired February 18, 2014 - 21:00 ET
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PIERS MORGAN, CNN HOST: This is Piers Morgan Live.
Breaking News tonight, at least 21 dead as police and protesters battle in the heart of a European capital just 641 miles away from the Olympics in Sochi.
We'll go live to Kiev in Ukraine and I'll ask the man who led New York to its darkest days after 9/11. Rudy Giuliani, what this will mean for America. I'll also ask him about his appearance on the new Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon.
Plus, bullied to beautiful, the plastic surgeon who's changing the lives of children being bullied because of their looks.
Also, Sports Illustrated's cover girls, the current issue features a typically fetching cover but I'll talk to the supermodel who made the cover her own not once but twice, quite a rare event. The eternally beautiful Paulina Porizkova, what she thinks of America's fixation on beauty.
And my exclusive with Bubba Watson, his days after my last interview with him, he goes and gets his first win in over two years.
Coincidence? I think not. And Bubba is back tonight live presumably to thank me.
I want to begin now with our Breaking News.
With this crisis in Kiev, CNN's Phil Black is there and he joins me live on the phone.
Phil, what is the latest going on in Kiev right now?
PHIL BLACK, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, right now Piers, it is 4 a.m. local time, and despite that there are still thousands of people here occupying Independence Square and they're all busy working one way or another.
Working to try to ensure that they can continue to occupy and hold on to these things because they believe the security forces are going to be coming through sometime soon to drive them out.
So you got people at the front line, man in shields, others literally tearing up the roads creating piles of gravel to be used as ammunition.
And now this fueling, the big fires that can be seen burning here in the square inspires an attempt to keep those security forces out a bit.
MORGAN: And Phil, and it's hard for viewers who are not perhaps completely savvy with what is happening here, what is this conflict about?
BLACK: So it started a few months ago when the Ukrainian government decided at the last minute that it would not pursue a closer relationship with Europe and instead wants it to favor its relationship, its historic relationship with Russia and rebuild that relationship, move the economy closer to Russia again.
Ukraine is a country that's really split down in the middle between those who consider themselves Ukrainian and close to Europe, those who consider themselves closer to Russia. And so there is the divide and the people on the street here and in other Ukrainian cities are those that are so angry with the idea of going, moving closer to Russia, that they are prepared to really put their lives at risk and trying out their own revolution phase.
MORGAN: A dangerous fluid, volatile situation.
Phil Black, thank you very much and please stay safe there tonight.
We'll go to our big story now, and reaction to what we just heard from Rudy Giuliani.
Rudy, welcome first of all, we got these uprisings in Kiev, uprisings in Venezuela, are there any parallels? What is going on in both these countries?
RUDY GIULIANI, FORMER NEW YORK CITY MAYOR: Well, sure, they are parallels but one is much more long-term than the other.
The parallels are to a very autocratic, very oppressive government where people are seeing what's going on in the rest of the world and what some freedom for themselves.
In the case of the Ukraine, it's a much deeper longer struggle. These are people who have wanted to be part of the European Union for the last 10, 12 years.
The Orange Revolution thought that they kind of brought it there. Unfortunately, there were setbacks and then Yushchenko won the election probably with a corrupt election with Putin kind of organizing things for him. And the country was very much behind there making moves to joining in the European Union until Russia came in and threatened them really.
And I think what you see in the streets are people wanting to become a modern country. As long as they are under the domination of Russia, they will never be a modern country. As long as they're a quasi member of the Soviet Union which is what they used to be, they are never going to become a modern country.
Two-thirds of the country supports that, maybe even three quarters.
MORGAN: At what point does the United States get involved in either what's happening in Kiev or what's happening in Venezuela?
GIULIANI: I think the administration has done a pretty good job, and you know I don't say that too much, right? I think the administration has done a pretty good job of supporting the people in Kiev and the people in the Ukraine who want to join the European Union.
In fact, I think they're actually in front of the European Union which occasioned the comment about the European Union that was so controversial, but I think kind of a source of frustration that European Union wasn't helping us do enough.
Military action, maybe some support, maybe some help. I don't know that you want to do a military intervention. That would just invite a Russian military intervention.
MORGAN: Rudy, I'm going to interview later in the show a direct or a very powerful documentary, been asking Oscar nominated about the Tahrir Square and the uprising in Egypt and all the consequences there. Obviously it's not gone very smoothly, the transition to freedom and democracy whatever you want to call it the Arab Spring. What are the lessons that we can learn from Egypt and in particular if you try and connect the dots here with all the uprisings here in Venezuela wherever.
GIULIANI: We have to know what we're replacing the bad guy was. In Mubarak we went from bad to worst and Gadhafi possibly.
Kiev we really don't have that problem. In Kiev, there is a very substantial two-thirds to record of the population. If they would like to be a liberal democracy tied to Europe. I don't think that issue exist in Kiev.
Venezuela it may exist. Venezuela we've been cut off for a long time. There is a very large middle class in Venezuela. There are a lot of business interests in Venezuela. My guess is if we could get rid of this government we would end up with a better government at Venezuela but that might have more of the risk that we see in Egypt and some of the other places.
MORGAN: Are the Egypt people better off or worst off because of the Arab Spring uprising?
GIULIANI: That's a very good question. And a very hard question to answer yes or no.
I would say they're better off with an awful lot of blood unfortunately still to get there, maybe that wasn't necessary to have all that blood spill. They went through the brotherhood phase, the generals are too oppressive but they are better off with the generals in the war with the brotherhood. And I think ultimately they're going to move further toward democracy. I think it's eventually going to work out but it's been a very, very rocky period of time.
MORGAN: But let's turn to -- I sort of like to know which is the Jimmy Fallon debut on the launch because you popped up.
GIULIANI: I did.
MORGAN: Let's take a look at ...
GIULIANI: I was the best. I was the best. What can I do?
MORGAN: Let's take a look.
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JIMMY FALLON, THE TONIGHT SHOW HOST: To my buddy who said that I'd never be the host of The Tonight Show, and you know who you are, you owe me $100 buddy.
GIULIANI: Thanks for visiting back to New York.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
MORGAN: Cast a thousands there. It is a kind of iconic moment isn't it? There'd been so few host of the show.
GIULIANI: For me, it was a couple of things. First of all, coming back to New York, when Johnny Carson left New York I was heart broken. Anybody that left New York I was always opposed to. I love going on the Letterman Show because Letterman stuck with New York. I think it's fabulous that he's brought it back to New York. This is the place we should have this show. We have a lot more interesting people to interview than the West Coast. So ...
MORGAN: What do you think of his style?
GIULIANI: You mean Jimmy? I know Jimmy from being on Saturday Night Live with him. I did skit with him on Saturday Night Live in the 1990s in which he play Joe Pesci and Tracy Morgan played Marion Barry of Washington and they try to sell me drugs. And then Jimmy Fallon playing Joe Pesci beat Marion Barry over the head with a baseball bat. And then I sit with Jimmy in Yankee games. So, I think Jimmy is a rare talent. He's a combination of great stand up comedian, dancer, singer, actor. I think it may actually be a little more of kind of, old fashion variety show.
GUILIANI: More than just monologue. I think they'll be the monologue but I think you'll see a lot of skits, a little bit more like or not quite like this on old Sid Caesar show and Sid just died which I grew up on.
MORGAN: Yeah. What was it feel like backstage last night?
GUILIANI: Everyone was there. There I was with Joe Namath and Lady Gaga who my daughter went to high school with. MORGAN: Really?
GUILIANI: And -- yeah, she's a different Lady Gaga.
MORGAN: A wonderful but an angel really.
GUILIANI: A little bit different when she was in Sacred Heart Academy and the Lady Gaga I saw last night I had the kind of, I feel like it got in my eye. Mariah Carey.
MORGAN: Do you ever get offended by any of these late night guys because some them are zingers.
GUILIANI: You mean when they used to attack me?
GUILIANI: No, gosh. I went on the Letterman Show like 20 times and Dave would attack me sometimes. And I went on the Leno Show and Leno would attack me. It's part of the humor. Always love Deschanel (ph) and they used to do a pretty good just on me. I even hosted it once.
MORGAN: Let's turn to Ted Nugent talking of comedic characters and he hit the campaign drugs they were gubernatorial nominee Greg Abbott, the State's Current Attorney General and I've interviewed in this show in fact on the same show as Ted Nugent. He said this about President Obama. Let's watch this.
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TED NUGENT, MUSICIAN: I have obviously failed to galvanize and prod, if not shame enough Americans to be ever vigilant not to let a Chicago communist-raised, communist-educated, communist-nurtured subhuman mongrel like the ACORN community organizer gangster Barack Hussein Obama to weasel his way into the top office of authority in the United States of America.
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MORGAN: He said that in January and these just emerged. I mean, I can normally deal with Ted Nugent in a fairly ...
MORGAN: ... like comedic way. I got to say that I thought was incredibly offensive. You don't talk about the president of the United States in that manner, a sub human mongrel.
GIULIANI: Of course you don't. I mean that Republican, Democrat that doesn't matter. The president of the United States is entitled to our respect. I disagree with many of Barack Obama's policies, I don't think he's been a very good president, I think he's a fine man.
I don't see anything about President Obama he does seem to me -- this is a very fine man, a very fine family man. I believe he truly believes what he's trying to do. I truly believe he's wrong. MORGAN: But he's a man of principle in that sense?
GIULIANI: But I have tremendous respect for the fact that he not only is as a president, I have respect for the fact that he is trying to execute what he truly believes are the right thing for the country which I think is absolutely the wrong thing for the country.
But to do those kinds of attacks ...
MORGAN: Shouldn't GOP party candidate, a long standing party member like Abbott, should he be having someone like Ted Nugent around him if he's going to be saying stuff like this?
GIULIANI: I suspect he won't be around for the next reappearance.
MORGAN: Rudy, when we come back I want to talk to you about this Michael Dunn case not similar to the George Zimmerman case and his claim and indeed both that claims to be victims here, the real victims.
MORGAN: Back now, my guest Rudy Giuliani.
Let's turn to this case this week, Michael Dunn, and indeed George Zimmerman. Two cases of two 17 year-old as it turned out unarmed black teenagers ...
MORGAN: ... shot dead. I want to play you -- this is a clip here from Michael Dunn talking to his fiancee which came out today.
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MICHAEL DUNN, CONVICTED OF ATTEMPTED MURDER: I was thinking about that family. I'm the f**** victim here. I was the one who's victimized. I mean I don't know how else to put it, it's like they attacked me. I'm the victim.
RHONDA, MICHAEL DUNN'S FIANCE: Right.
DUNN: I'm the victor but I was the victim too.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
MORGAN: I mean, there are many disturbing aspects of even ...
MORGAN: ... that one exchange, the laughter, the slightly sneering tone, but the sense that he and George Zimmerman both feel they're still the victims even though these two kids are dead and that he goes further and says that he was the victor. What do we do really about -- this is a wider question for you I think if somebody's had to tackle gun violence ... GIULIANI: Right.
MORGAN: ... in New York. What do we do about the fact that the gun appears in these two gentlemen's hands to have embolden them to become killers when in many countries around the world is simply wouldn't be that embolden because they wouldn't have a fire arm in their hands.
GIULIANI: I don't completely agree with you, Piers. I don't think it's a gun. I think it's two very strange individuals and I think that Zimmerman and Dunn are different. I don't think the two cases are the same.
Zimmerman got acquitted. Well, he got found not guilty. This guy got convicted of 25 years to life. So that jury did not accept his explanation. Maybe they didn't find him guilty of first degree murder but they found him guilty of attempted murder and he's going to face a bare minimum of 25 years in jail to the rest of his life in jail.
So he wasn't ...
MORGAN: Wait, but the point I'm making here -- but wait a second ...
GIULIANI: If he thinks he was the victor, he's a real fool.
MORGAN: Right. I think -- there's no question of that and he's also from other (inaudible) who came out, a racist clearly too. But again, I come back to this issue of the gun. There are not many countries of the 23 richest countries in the world where a dispute over noise or a kid looking suspicious walking along a street or as we saw somebody texting the baby care center when he's watching a movie with his girlfriend that would lead to somebody being shot dead. And yet, all the time now, in America, we're hearing of this casual loss of life ...
MORGAN: ... through guns. At what point does the gun itself not become a major issue?
GIULIANI: Well, the gun is a major issue if it's -- it has to be handled the right way, its got to be controlled in the right way. But the reality is that most of this comes about because we have these disturbed human beings who are carrying out these acts and we've had mass murders in countries in Europe and we have murder rates in some countries that are greater than murder rates here in the United States.
MORGAN: But I'm not talking about the mass shootings and I'm not even sure that these people that I'm talking about whether it's Zimmerman or Dunn or the retired police captain in the movie theater. I don't think they will categorize necessarily as mentally unstable, they will probably pass every background check. It's the ready willingness of people to walk around, armed, and getting into disputes and settling it with a gun.
How do you change that culture? GIULIANI: Well, you change the culture by changing the way people behave not necessarily by the gun. I mean the reality is that I remember a case in Florida about seven or eight years ago, two people are on a line waiting to get into a movie theater and they got into a dispute and one man kill the other man with his fist. I remember another one where he kills someone with a knife.
So I don't think you can stop that by just concentrating on the gun. I took more guns out of New York City than probably any mayor would ...
MORGAN: Right. You did take tough action.
GIULIANI: I took guns out of the hands of bad people but the idea that decent people who have guns can't protect themselves with guns. That's a valid idea. It's in our constitution, not much we can do about it. You can make the argument that having a gun protects as much as it hurts. What we have to do is concentrate on keeping out of the hands of very bad people. We got to take all the illegal guns off the streets. We got to penalize people who have guns and use them properly.
You're fighting a losing battle if you think you're going to take guns out of America. It's just not going to happen. It's too much a part of our culture and beyond that it's in our constitution.
MORGAN: Interesting to come back and have that conversation 100 years really.
GIULIANI: Well, 100 years from now we can do it.
MORGAN: Let me try and preserve your life and mine and let's take the conversation in 100 years.
GIULIANI: In the next 10, there got to be other strategies we use because this is -- they've tried this for 20 to 30 years, it doesn't work because you got to understand the culture of the United States and the constitution of the United States then you have to work with it.
I thought I did and I think that's why reduced murder by 60 percent.
MORGAN: I think you did a lot of good stuff on guns. And my last observation would be that Britain used to be a massive gun culture country.
MORGAN: And we're not anymore. 29 murders last year.
GUILIANI: You are much more homogenous country and easier to do things like that. We're much more diverse country and we have this whole history both cultural and constitutional with guns that's very, very difficult to overwrite. So you have to kind of figure out how to work with it and then bring down the number of guns.
MORGAN: Rudy Giuliani, speaking a lot of sense as always. Good to see you.
GIULIANI: Thank you, Piers. A pleasure.
MORGAN: Thank you very much.
The violence tonight in Kiev is a lot like what we saw three years ago in Tahrir square.
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That's from "The Square." The Oscar nominated documentary film it tells a story of a revolution.
Well, joining me now is Jehane Noujaim, the director of "The Square." Welcome to you.
JEHANE NOUJAIM, DIRECTOR, OSCAR NOMINATED DOCUMENTARY, "THE SQUARE": Thank you.
MORGAN: It's incredibly powerful also incredibly the timing because you're not seeing Kiev, in Venezuela, other uprisings, none of them are exactly the same. The general, I guess threatening (ph) more is young people in particular saying we have had enough. When we look at Egypt, so this is what your film sent us on. I asked Rudy Giuliani earlier, are the Egyptian people better off or they're worst off because they've got spring up rising, what do you think?
NOUJAIM: Well, just to talk about what you were saying earlier, it is incredible. I mean, it's incredible that there are squares that have been exploding around the world. I mean, although the particular of each situation aren't different. It is about young people that are claiming their rights. And people -- I think, what's important to remember is that those people in Egypt are still fighting to claim their rights. We're talking about an ongoing struggle. And it's a dark time in Egypt. There are people that are in jail.
MORGAN: But is there any real difference between the way Egypt has being run now by the military the way it was being run for the last 40 years or be when Mubarak has a figure head, the military basically run it through that period too. How does things have improved, have they moved on?
NOUJAIM: Well, if you see the film, you see the characters who are struggling for change in Egypt. And what's happening right now in terms of the military taking control again, many people have said, "OK. Well, this is a really dark time because we've gone back to square one." If you talked to our characters and people on the ground though, they are deeply optimistic because they know that struggle is going to happen over a very long time. Change happens very slowly. And so, the important thing is that there's a staying (ph) power to this movement.
And if you look at the civil rights movement or any struggle, I mean, some of the most -- biggest compliments they've gotten has been people who have fought during the civil rights movements.
MORGAN: What do you need though -- it seems to me, and correct me if you're going to agree with this.
MORGAN: But, in all these cases, civil rights, you had mostly the king, you know, in South Africa there was Nelson Mandela, you need great leaders to drive these kinds of revolutions. Is there a great leader in Egypt right now that you can say in 20 years time it was that person, man or woman who led this for us?
NOUJAIM: Well, Ahmed Hassan (ph) is in the film. He's the main character of the film. He says, you know, first we need to develop a consciousness and out of that will come a leader. And that's very important because that's what young people are fighting for around the world. And we often hear from the people with the biggest megaphones, you know, the people that have PR ages. The people like in our particular case, the head of the Muslim brotherhood and the head of the military. But what film can do and what our film has been able to do is remind us that there are human beings with -- real human beings with families that are still struggling and we're still in the midst of that struggle.
And what's been incredible about this film getting out there in the way that it has is that -- and the kind of support that we've gotten from the Oscar Nomination is that people on the ground now realized that there are people that are halfway across the world that believe in their struggle and that will continue to support them. And that's what the power of witnesses. I mean, during the first 18 days before Mubarak stepped down, the absolutely impossible happen, right? Mubarak was able...
NOUJAIM: ... to step down when we never imagined that that would be possible.
That was because it wasn't just the protesters versus Mubarak. It was the protesters plus the world attention, plus journalists like you that were filming and the world attention paying attention to what was happening. And that what's happening now again with Kiev. And with the release of our film is that people are saying we care because the success of Egypt and the success for the struggle of human rights and social freedoms and justice is important to the entire world because our lives are interconnected. And the success in one square determines the success in other square.
MORGAN: A victory, I guess, the Oscars just gives you a huge global platform to share the message of the film, right?
NOUJAIM: Well, I think that's exactly right. I mean, the thing that is -- we're so excited to just be nominated to begin with. But the fact is that what Ahmed said, you know, when we told him that we were nominated for the Oscar and there's a potential, "when?" he said. What's exciting about that is that our story will never be able to be silenced. And that's what so important about this nomination is the fuel that comes with it because this is about the civil rights struggle and the struggle for human dignity of our time.
And so, the internal recognition of that is supporting that.
MORGAN: Best of luck Jehane. It's a very exciting time for you. It's a terrific film, very powerful to people to go and see it and I hope you win the Oscar.
NOUJAIM: Thank you very much.
MORGAN: Good to see you.
NOUJAIM: Nice to see you.
MORGAN: "The Square" is currently available in Netflix and screening in theaters nationwide.
Coming up, imagine your child being so severely tormented in school that she wants to change her face. I'll talk to one teenage girl who did just that and the plastic surgeon who helped her.
MORGAN: Both parents would do just about anything to protect their children from being bullied. And would you encourage your child to have plastic surgery. A youngest Renata plastic surgery that helped of the Little Baby Face Foundation, a nonprofit organization specializes in these types of surgery for children. Also joining me is Renata's mother Michelle, and also Thomas Romo, he's the founder of Little Baby Face Foundation. Welcome to all three of you.
THOMAS ROMO: Thank you.
MORGAN: Renata, let me start with you because you're why we're all here. You were unhappy with the way you looked, why?
RENATA, HAD PLASTIC SURGERY AFTER BEING BULLIED: Well, it's because everyone always said that I looked bad and I started to believe so I didn't like the way I looked.
MORGAN: And you were being bullied by other kids?
RENATA: Yeah, at my school.
MORGAN: What were they saying to you or how are they bullying you?
RENATA: They were just laughing behind my back all the time and they said, "Oh, that's the girl with the big nose." They never called me by my name.
MORGAN: And after a while, how do that make you feel.
RENATA: It made me feel terrible about myself and I didn't want to leave the house anymore. MORGAN: Michelle, it's every parent's nightmare that their child is bullied particularly for how they look. And we've got pictures that we were just seeing there for Renata before. It's not like she was bad to look at all. I mean, I wouldn't say that it's old but really you felt that and you were being bullied by these other kids. How do that make you feel as her mother?
MICHELLE, DAUGHTER HAD PLASTIC SURGERY AFTER BEING BULLIED: I felt very sad that she was going through what she was going through. I tried to encourage her to just feel better about herself and not pay attention to what the other kids were saying, but there was so much negativity and that was building on her confidence and self-esteem.
MORGAN: See, doctor, it's pretty difficult issue of this. I want to read to you what a New York psychologist Vivian Diller said. You're extensively about this issue. I'm sure you're aware of it. She told NBC, "Are we saying the responsibility now falls on the kid who's bullied, to alter themselves surgically? We really have to address the idea that there should be zero tolerance of bullying, and maybe we even have to encourage the acceptance of differences.
Do you -- not withstanding what you do just incredibly notable in so many ways. Do you understand the argument against it?
DR. THOMAS ROMO, FOUNDER, LITTLE BABY FACE FOUNDATION: Well, of course. I mean, no one agrees that we should have bullying, but to think that we're going to stop bullying by attacking the bullies, I mean, it may or may not occur. But to take children who have loss of self-esteem, Renata had not been to school for two years because of her lost self-esteem. She had seen a psychologist who actually recommended that she get some kind of help to change the way that she looked.
The mission statement of the foundation is to take children with facial birth defects and provide them free reconstructive surgery for low income families and that's how she got picked. Bullying was what became recognized as we went through the process of evaluating her for a candidate of the Little Baby Face Foundation.
MORGAN: Well, and you don't charge for this kind of surgery, right?
ROMO: No. Everything, room and board, transportation to New York along with the parent, the foundation emphasizes children from United States unlike most of the foundations go to underdeveloped countries, we take care of kids from the states and all the fees are paid for including surgery and the hospitals allowance to do the surgeries.
MORGAN: Renata, how did you feel after you have the surgery and after everything had calm down and you were back to normal but looking different and you looked in the mirror, how did you feel?
RENATA: I felt pretty good about myself like I felt like I was a normal kid again and I could actually look at myself without wanting to cry.
MORGAN: You also doctor, I mean, you encouraged a certainly further step in having some chin surgery as well so that her face would look consistent as I would describe it or?
ROMO: Yeah Piers. Piers, is that what happens is that she had a diagnosis what was called hemifacial microsomia. One side of her face was different size than the other's size. So, there was actually an asymmetry in size. So, in order to match up her face, her nose was twisted to the smaller side. Her septum was that way and so was the chin. So she had in order to balance the face not just was this septum fix then the nose made smaller, but implants were put into her face to balance her face. And I think she is very happy now and we're very happy. This is all about the kids.
MORGAN: Is it any different to you Dr. Romo to say somebody born with cleft lip and palate. I know a kid. I've known him since he was two years old, who had horrendous disfigurement from that particular thing and he's had about 20 operations and he is now a very handsome 22-year old boy and you'd never really know and popped a little scar here. I totally get how expensive surgery transformed his life for the better.
Is it the same argument with somebody like Renata? Is it just a question of degree?
ROMO: It is a question of degree, because again, what we do as a foundation, as a surgical foundation, is we take children with mild, moderate, and severe birth defects and they go through our system of being approved by a group of physician...
MORGAN: Where did you -- (inaudible) what fascinates me about this is I guess, where do you draw the line between what Renata went through two years of hell, unable to go to school being deliberately bullied for the size of her nose and you could identify a disfigurement need to fixing. And somebody of her age who comes to you just wants to have a slight nip and tuck for one of the better phrase. Well, otherwise just a pure cosmetic thing to look a little bit better.
ROMO: Yeah, and performing cosmetic and surgery in New York for the last 25 years. I see patients like that regularly.
MORGAN: What is your view for this kind of age and they want that?
ROMO: Well, I mean, they have to academically be on a certain age that is acceptable for any kind of surgery like this. So girls, we're not going to start operating on them until they're 14, 15 years old. Boys, till they're 17, 18 years old in this kind of surgery.
MORGAN: If you have any personal -- because I know you're a great leader. Do you have any personal ethical issue about people who just want a slight correction to look a little bit prettier rather than a genuine problem like Renata had?
ROMO: Well, I mean, ethical...
MORGAN: And that's where I personally start to feel -- I feel like uncomfortable when it becomes just, you know, I'm adult now and she gets it 14 and said, "Dad, I want a nose job." she looks perfectly OK.
ROMO: But if your daughter tells you that she is being bullied at school, you look at her and she actually has a nose that's over powering her face...
MORGAN: Right. But that's...
ROMO: ... and she has bucked teeth, you're going to put braces on her...
ROMO: ... and you will probably will let her get her nose job done and that will reestablish her self-esteem. But it's not done precariously...
ROMO: ... it's done with a diagnosis and with a treatment plan.
MORGAN: Renata, what's your view with these bullies now, now that you're so happy with the way you look and your confidence is back. How do you feel about the people who bullied you?
RENATA: I felt like -- in the end, I'm the one who wins here and not the bullies because they don't have any effect on me anymore. I have my confidence now and nothing they say could ever make me feel bad again about myself.
MORGAN: And how do you feel towards Dr. Romo?
RENATA: I feel like he's a great doctor and this foundation is amazing. I think without it, I wouldn't be nearly as happy as I am now and my life wouldn't be nearly as good as it is now.
MORGAN: Michelle, final words to you. What do you feel about all of this?
MICHELLE: I'm very thankful that this foundation is able to help children like Renata and other kids without -- without their help, we're now never would have received the help that she has received
MORGAN: I'll be honest. With me, when I first heard about this, I think my reaction was I would be against it instinctively. Just not really into the whole concept of plastic surgery, but we've met you and heard the story, I think it's very powerful. I understand why you did this and you look beautiful.
RENATA: Thank you.
MORGAN: So, you should get out there and go see these bullies and steal all their boyfriends. It's my advisory (ph). Thank you all very much for joining me.
ROMO: Likewise. Thank you.
RENATA: Thank you.
MORGAN: And more about Little Baby Face Foundation, log on to littlebabyface.org. Coming up, from beauty to Bubba. I'll talk to the super model who was a two-time Sports Illustrated cover girl, Paulina Porizkova on today's (inaudible) and what she thought of that last segment. Also, my (inaudible) golfer Bubba Watson who just won his first tournament in over two years after appearing on this show last week. But clearly, he will be wanting to thank me, won't you, Bubba?
MORGAN: The 2014 swim suit issue of Sports Illustrated features three models, Lily Aldridge, Nina Agdal, and Chrissy Teigen. But my next guest managed to hold down the fault all by herself, not just once but twice. Paulina Porizkova is also an actress and the author of the "Model Summer". She joins me now, welcome to you, Paulina.
PAULINA PORIZKOVA, MODEL, ACTRESS: Well, thank you very much
MORGAN: I feel like I've spent most of my youth thinking about you.
PORIZKOVA: You should have let me know.
MORGAN: Now you tell me. Now you tell me.
PORIZKOVA: But I would have really like to have heard it. But, you know, today is fine too, you can. It's never too late.
MORGAN: It's getting too late. I mean, I'm not being a creaky old man no. It's never late, is it? But before we get into to why you're here, what did you make to that last segment?. It's very contentious issue, plastic surgery isn't it?
PORIZKOVA: It is. It is. And I have -- I personally have some issues with plastic surgery mainly because I think we're starting to celebrate such a small amount of beauty, you know, it was like the fabulous big noses of (inaudible), if you think of Madame X ...
PORIZKOVA: ... you know, the painting with this gorgeous profile. Like -- that wouldn't be gorgeous anymore.
PORIZKOVA: Our sense of what's beautiful has narrowed so much. And I guess I'm partly responsible for this, 20 years ago you were supposed to look like this.
PORIZKOVA: But I ...
MORGAN: And do you feel that responsibility? Do you think pressure on young women today is being driven by the whole supermodel era and the fact that most models these days are pretty skinny and look a certain way? PORIZKOVA: Yes and no because it's -- I don't think it's so much supermodel driven because there's not even really supermodels that are around anymore. When everything is taken over by actresses, what it's been taken over is photo shop. Everybody can look good. You know, my grandmother could be a supermodel now even though she's dead.
MORGAN: Let me ask you about beauty. Who to you is real beauty, who -- if I could say to you the most beautiful you have ever personally seen.
PORIZKOVA: I am very fond of Tilda Swinton.
PORIZKOVA: I think she has a very unusual ...
MORGAN: Right. She's not practically beauty at all, right?
PORIZKOVA: No, but she's so interesting and there's so much life and talent behind that mathematics of her face. And yes, I will say Audrey Hepburn and I'm -- I'm a big Audrey Hepburn fan. And Isabella Rossellini, somebody who I always thought was really beautiful but ...
MORGAN: Who is your biggest rival when you were ...
MORGAN: ... piling it on. I mean you were one of these very few people to be on Sports Illustrated twice. Who was likely the one that when you woke up in the morning and thought, look at her, she looks great.
PORIZKOVA: There was only me.
MORGAN: I love that. I always thought you supermodels are like that.
PORIZKOVA: Yeah, totally, entirely.
MORGAN: You look at them and you thought you know what, the rest of you suck, right?
PORIZKOVA: No, actually it wasn't anything like that. I wish, I wish. It's just kind of like me remembering it the way I'd like to remember.
When I came on the scene, Carol Alt kind of like those Kelly Emberg were just sort of the holy triplets that we're on all the covers of, you know, Mademoiselle and Vogue and whatever and I was -- and of course, you know, Christie and Cheryl, they were the -- really the two supermodels.
MORGAN: I didn't know Christie Brinkley recently. And I got to say she's an absolutely sensational.
PORIZKOVA: She does. I know.
MORGAN: But she's 60 now.
PORIZKOVA: I know she looks younger than I do.
MORGAN: Cindy Crawford looks amazing. She's been on this cover recently. Sharon Stone tonight is on Shape Magazine looking about 20.
PORIZKOVA: I know. I'm starting to look like their mother.
MORGAN: You know, you don't, rust me. You've been married to your husband Ric Ocasek, he's a lead singer, founding member of The Cars, for 25 years.
PORIZKOVA: Actually, we're going to be celebrating 30.
PORIZKOVA: Yes 30 none of -- not of marriage but 30 since we meet.
MORGAN: So you're with him 30 years, married for 25. I mean that's pretty extraordinary. If I could have said 25 years ago, 30 years ago, supermodel meets rocks star, you give it about three weeks. What has been the secret?
PORIZKOVA: God, you know, I do get that question a lot and I think it's unfortunate that it's really just a question of luck finding the right person at the right time. I just got lucky. I was just this dumb, you know, dumb blink luck. I found the person I needed at the right time and knew it.
MORGAN: And you met on the video of the famous guitar, song "Drive" which was later taken a news for the whole live dating and ...
PORIZKOVA: And you remember we could be in English, you remember it from Live Aid, right?
MORGAN: It's huge because they put the music to that harrowing footage from Africa. It made a huge difference to the fund raising, the quite and iconic thing to be associated with. What's life, life for you now?
PORIZKOVA: What's life, life for me?
MORGAN: What, for you, the most passionate about these days?
PORIZKOVA: I am passionate about writing. That's what I do now. That's pretty much all I can do since I never really went to school or learn to do anything but look good. So I'm now learning how to look good because, you know, one ages and things some stay where they used to be.
MORGAN: You're learning how to look good.
PORIZKOVA: I'm learning how to age.
MORGAN: Do you understand how to ludicrous that sounds? People like me have to learn how to look good. PORIZKOVA: No. You have something to say. You have something to say. I have to come looking like this so that people will listen to me.
MORGAN: Is this your serious look, isn't it?
PORIZKOVA: Yes. This is my, you know, in case I don't see anything witty, at least you get boob.
MORGAN: This is being fun. You're going to come back.
PORIZKOVA: Sure. I told you, you could have had me a long time ago. All you need to do was that.
MORGAN: Just keep telling me. I'm not sure that Ric would be too happy to hear you say that.
PORIZKOVA: That's true.
MORGAN: Well, I can sing for it's any consolation.
PORIZKOVA: You can sing?
MORGAN: I'm prepared to make an effort for you.
PORIZKOVA: Well, you know, a kind of fancy men with British accents just generally.
PORIZKOVA: Yes, I do. I think its Monty Python left over. I was a big Monty Python fan
PORIZKOVA: John Cleese was one of my first guys I had a crush on.
MORGAN: John Cleese, with the Silly Walks?
MORGAN: Paulina, it's been an absolute pleasure.
PORIZKOVA: Thank you. Thank you very much.
MORGAN: Lovely to see you. Come back again. I enjoyed that. That's good talk.
MORGAN: From supermodels to the super gold. I can't believe I'm ditching Paulina Porizkova for Bubba Watson. Well I am. Unbelievable. I can't believe I'm doing this. Anyway, Bubba Watson is next. There he is. He can't believe it either.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hey Daddy.
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MORGAN: Bubba Watson's winning putt Sunday at the Northern Trust Open. Last week, my good friend Bubba was here.
Must have turned then into a little friendly ribbing about his failure to win since the Masters in 2012. So what did he do? Well, he went out and proved them wrong the very next tournament he plays just this weekend and now he's back with me exclusively. It's Bubba Watson, winner, I'm proud to say, the 2014 Northern Trust Open.
Bubba, congratulations and it's clearly all down to me.
BUBBA WATSON, WINNER OF 2014 NORTHERN TRUST OPEN, PGA TOUR: Thank you so much, you know. Ann Coulter, obviously, gave me a lot of tips when I was down the shell, you know. Obviously, it's her not you.
MORGAN: I want to play a clip from our exchange last week just to say viewers. You didn't watch it what I'm talking about.
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MORGAN: Now wins the Masters in 2012.
WATSON: Thank you, thank you, sir.
MORGAN: Just want to remind you on that.
WATSON: Why would other people have a chance to see (inaudible). That's what I'm going with.
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MORGAN: See, I think I motivated you, Bubba and you got quite angry in that moment. You didn't like me remind everyone it had been in two years and 41 tournaments since you last won at the Masters.
WATSON: Well, you know what? Sometimes I make fun of you. I call your names and I want to apologize on the TV here. I want to say I'm sorry for making fun of your. You're an inspiration to millions of people. Now I know what not to do in life and so you inspire people to be better than you, you know.
MORGAN: We'll be showing one of your more tended tributes to me when you hijacked my office deeply unpleasantries at work. No one should buy into the same Bubba nonsense.
Now, what is nice about you is your son who's got over charm and that is his father lacks. Let's watch this lovely clip of Caleb join you on Sunday. Well, she's really delightful.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hey daddy.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There you go.
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MORGAN: I think we should -- probably should be great that Caleb won it really, you know, such a moving moment. How did you feel when you -- when (inaudible) to winning?
WATSON: You know, I cried. That was my moment when I cried when I was holding, you know, be able to see footage later in life and we gets older and realize what happened, you know, you've ever see is dad winning a golf tournament and know what it is and just hold me mommy, now, it's just an inspiration, you know, adapting - me and my wife (inaudible), I mean, just this - he's a gift from god so it's a pleasure to holding stuff and be there with me when I won.
MORGAN: And I know seriously, Bubba, we've spoken a lot over the last couple of years and when you win a tournament other Masters and you said last week, your life changes forever and your life has changed in so many ways. To win again, though, it must be a big moment for you because it shows that despite all the great stuff you've enjoyed, you still got that capacity to win a big tournament. Does that going forward now really embolden you to go maybe win the Masters again?
WATSON: For sure, you know, when I was looking at on the last year or so, it's how to improve, you know, how to become a better father, a better husband, and then at the same time, golf, a better golfer and so you have to find balance and so over the last three years, I felt I found some balance. My golf team's getting better, getting back to where I know it should be, and I have proven that, you know, I finished second and now, got the first. And so, hopefully, I can just -- my career keeps going up from here, you know. Who knows what it will be, but hopefully, it keeps going up.
MORGAN: Well Bubba, it's brilliant to see you in. I was watching it all on Sunday, tweeting about it, and it could happen to a nice guy, you're a great guy, and I love regular chat. Please come back soon. Same Caleb, my very best seem won everyone's hearts on Sunday and best of luck all the time. We will be watching.
WATSON: All right. Thanks a lot man.
MORGAN: Thank you.
WATSON: Thanks for having me.
MORGAN: Bubba Watson. Lovely guy. We'll be right back.
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OPRAH WINFREY: But you're good. You are good.
MORGAN: Thank you.
WINFREY: And I'm not just trying to...
WINFREY: ... it's good.
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MORGAN: When I started this show more than three years ago, my very first guest was the Queen of all Media, Oprah Winfrey. Well, taking me three years, but now she's back and she's joined by her best friend Gayle King, and CNN's own Sanjay Gupta. What do they have in common?
Well, they're teaming up to battle epidemic that sets 60 million Americans. You may well be one of them. I don't even know it. It's loneliness and it could be affecting your health. But there's a simple remedy that could turn your life around. And tomorrow, Oprah, Gayle, and Sanjay will join me live for the hour to tell you more.
That's all for us tonight. Anderson Cooper starts right now.