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Parker Spitzer
Interview With Elizabeth Warren; Interview With Aaron Sorkin
Aired October 04, 2010 - 20:00 ET
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KATHLEEN PARKER, CO-HOST: Good evening. I'm Kathleen Parker.
ELIOT SPITZER, CO-HOST: And I'm Eliot Spitzer.
Thanks for joining us for our first show. This is a show about ideas, the ideas that drive American politics.
PARKER: Perfect, succinct and to the point, Eliot. You know how I am. I hate labels, left, right, conservative, liberal.
SPITZER: I love them, but that's all right.
PARKER: No. We're going to do something different with this show. We come to the table with different perspectives. We're from different worlds, clearly. I'm from the South. You're from the North.
(CROSSTALK)
SPITZER: Right. So far so true.
(LAUGHTER)
PARKER: I'm a journalist and you're a politician.
SPITZER: Yes. But I'm recovering. This is step one, I promise. Really, I'm going to move beyond that.
PARKER: Let me just say we're praying for you.
SPITZER: That's big of you. I know what that means. I have in- laws from the South. When they say that, I'm in deep trouble.
(CROSSTALK)
PARKER: Right. Bless your heart and we're praying for you. You're in trouble.
SPITZER: Yes, a stake in my back when I hear those words.
But the important thing, Kathleen, we get to the office every day with something we care about, we want to talk about.
Right now, I'm going to tell you folks, my opening argument tonight, very straightforward. Mr. President, I'm a fan, big supporter, I promise. I really am. But please do yourself a favor. Do us all a favor. Fire Tim Geithner. You need a clean sweep in your economic team. Larry Summers is gone. Finish the job. Fire Tim.
They haven't done the one thing people care about, producing jobs. That's what we need, jobs, more jobs. They took care of Wall Street, but not Main Street. Look at the record that Tim brought to your administration. He was at the New York Fed. You know what he did? He coddled the banks. He was their cheerleader. He wasn't the cop he was supposed to be.
He made the banks rich, surely not Main Street. You know what? We are suffering. He built the foundation that collapsed in the cataclysm of 2008. So you brought him in as treasury secretary. Not sure why. You know what he did there? He bailed out the banks with hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars.
Just one example, Goldman, they got billions of dollars. They said they didn't even need it. So you know what they did? They gave themselves bonuses with taxpayer money. And what did Main Street get? Pink slips, unemployment through the roof -- 20 percent of our mortgages are underwater.
You know what, Mr. President? The reason we have a Tea Party is because your team took care of the same insiders as the last administration. We brought our hopes and aspirations to Washington with you. And we have been disappointed. Please, give us a treasury secretary who understands Main Street.
I have got some names. Give me a call.
Kathleen, what's on your mind?
PARKER: Eliot, I want to talk about my favorite politician, Sarah Palin.
She has a new commercial out that's pure Palin. Let's take a look.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SARAH PALIN (R), FORMER ALASKA GOVERNOR: It is just so inspiring to see real people, not politicos, not inside-the-Beltway professionals, come out and stand up and speak out for commonsense conservative principles.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PARKER: So, Sarah, are you running or aren't you?
Of course, Palin won't say because the suspense benefits her. As long as her fans think she might run, they will keep sending money to SarahPAC and they will keep showing up for her rallies.
I have to confess, I never thought Sarah would grow the legs she has. No, guys, not those. The legs to keep building momentum. She has something that obviously appeals to lots of people. She has it, big-time. But she's also maddening to many others, especially women.
She flirts. She's a tease. And, of course, all politicians do that. Men do it. Democrats do it. That's how they raise money.
SPITZER: Republicans, too.
PARKER: But Palin is also coy, which after a little while begins to feel dishonest.
Most important, other serious candidates may be locked in limbo as they wait to see what the Palin machine intends. I know of at least one person who won't run if it looks like Sarah has the wind at her back. And he should run.
SPITZER: Who's that? Who?
PARKER: You really think I'm going to tell a Democrat this top secret?
SPITZER: Absolutely. You can whisper it here. Nobody's listening.
PARKER: I'm talking to Sarah. Be quiet.
Because he can win I, he should run is what I was saying before I was so rudely interrupted.
(LAUGHTER)
PARKER: He should run because he can win a national election. And Sarah Palin, for all her good qualities, cannot.
It may be that Palin is waiting for a thunderbolt or a voice from beyond to instruct her next move. In the meantime, she's teaming with RNC Chairman Michael Steele to raise money.
Come on, Sarah. Drop the tease and just tell the American people you're not running. As consolation, maybe and you Michael Steele can turn your road show into a moneymaking gig for real, a TV show perhaps. You could call it Steele Magnolia.
SPITZER: Clever name. We should have taken that.
But you know what? I will not defend Sarah Palin on the substance of anything. But you're not being fair to her. Why are you judging her by a different standard than anybody else?
PARKER: Suddenly...
SPITZER: Barack Obama didn't announce...
PARKER: Suddenly, Eliot Spitzer is Sarah Palin's champion. I love this.
SPITZER: Well, you know why. Because as Democrats we want her to run, because we can beat her.
PARKER: You never told me this before. Suddenly, we're on TV and you're a big Palin fan?
SPITZER: No, no, no. Here's the thing. I want you to be as fair to her as you are to everybody else.
Sarah Palin should not need to decide before other folks do. Barack Obama didn't decide until late in the game. Ronald Reagan didn't decide until late in the game. Everybody who has run successfully for the presidency was counted out at one point and was told you have no chance.
PARKER: I am not unfair to Sarah Palin. I actually like Sarah Palin. And others have been very unfair. So let me just state that for the record.
SPITZER: Right.
PARKER: But I do think she needs to get out of the way. She's not going to run for president -- for the president, and yet a lot of people kind of hope she does.
SPITZER: Why do you presume that? In other words, I don't think she knows yet. The critical thing is here that like most politicians she hasn't figured it out.
(CROSSTALK)
PARKER: She may ultimately decide that she can't resist the temptation of running for president, because when you have got all these crowds of people adoring you and when you only go on a certain network to be validated...
SPITZER: She is getting all sorts of good news that will push her towards a candidacy.
PARKER: But she can't win a national election, and that's the reason.
SPITZER: No, but, see, that's where I think you're wrong. We don't know yet whether she can win.
PARKER: Yes, we do.
SPITZER: I certainly hope she can't, because I don't think she should be president.
PARKER: Democrats are dying for Sarah Palin to run, and that's why you're saying this.
SPITZER: Well, no, I think that Barack Obama will be reelected almost regardless of the Republican candidate. This is the debate for next year perhaps.
(CROSSTALK) PARKER: Wow. You really did get hooked on that hope thing, didn't you?
SPITZER: The hopey, changy thing -- stuff is good.
PARKER: Let's change gears here for minute. How long have you hated Tim Geithner?
SPITZER: Oh, look, I love Tim. I worked with Tim when I was attorney general, respect him, think he's a decent guy. He's just not right for the job right now. The problem we have got is that Republicans cheered when he was named treasury secretary. This was part of a Cabinet...
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PARKER: So it's the Republicans' fault? Who knew?
(CROSSTALK)
SPITZER: No, it's not your fault. But, look -- but this was a Cabinet that looked too much like continuity you can believe in, the same policies when it came to economics that had guided the past administration.
PARKER: Well, I know that's always been a theme of yours.
SPITZER: Absolutely.
PARKER: And you have been very consistent on that.
Let's see what our other...
SPITZER: We will play nice.
PARKER: Some of our guests think about this. OK?
SPITZER: Right. We have a whole show going on.
Now we're going invite in some of our first guests and get into the arena.
Joining us tonight, conservative blogger Andrew Breitbart and Tom Frank, who is a writer for "Harper's," and also wrote the brilliant book "What's the Matter With Kansas?"
You guys heard me in my opening comments say that the White House and Tim Geithner in particular forgot the middle class. The flip side of that is, the middle class seems to be forgetting about its love for the White House.
What explains this? What is this dynamic all about?
THOMAS FRANK, COLUMNIST, "HARPER'S": Well, look, if you look at the Obama administration, you have got incredible unemployment in this country right now, worse than it's been in a really long time in this country.
Now, traditionally, the Democratic Party knew what to do about things like unemployment. But this administration doesn't seem to. And they don't seem to feel the pain. They don't seem to understand the anger that's out there.
SPITZER: Should Tim Geithner go?
FRANK: Oh, hell, he should never have been hired.
(CROSSTALK)
SPITZER: All right. One vote. I'm with you. Obviously, I'm with you on that.
PARKER: Andrew, do you think that he should go?
ANDREW BREITBART, PUBLISHER, BREITBART.COM: Well, this is less about individuals and policies than it is that this is not your grandmother's Democratic Party.
I think that we have a New Coke vs. old Coke formula situation. I think that Barack Obama promised a utopia, and that was New Coke. And I think that what the Democratic Party has to do is hearken back to the old Democratic Party.
SPITZER: But the Coke that was promised in the campaign is not the Coke that was delivered when he took office.
Tim Geithner was not what we talked about during the campaign with change and a whole new reformed financial services sector. We got George Bush's economic policies. And that's what's driving a lot of us crazy, because it's killing the middle class.
(CROSSTALK)
FRANK: That's totally, exactly right. And it's just so massively frustrating to be -- and I was one of the guys, I was drinking the New Coke. You know?
PARKER: Democrats love to say that the Tea Party movement is nothing but a vapor of anger, and that it's nebulous and going nowhere. It's happened before. Do you agree with that assessment?
BREITBART: Of course I don't.
As a matter of fact, the Tea Party has been framed by the mainstream media before it even started as angry, on the verge of violence. And it's not only not violent, it's not only not angry, it cleans up after itself, unlike yesterday's event that showed communists and socialists, you know, openly...
SPITZER: Wait. Andrew, we're not just talking about cleaning up. And I know what you're talking about.
(CROSSTALK) PARKER: No, but he's talking about these are nice people.
SPITZER: Sure, they're nice people.
(CROSSTALK)
PARKER: And they demonstrate.
FRANK: I can vouch for that. I have been to a bunch of these rallies. And I have stood there with these people and they actually are -- they're super polite. They say excuse me when they're moving through the crowd.
(CROSSTALK)
SPITZER: So, the anger we're talking about is not anger people are going to punch each other. It's the anger politically that the middle class has been ignored.
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BREITBART: It's righteous. And they have every right to go out there. You know, for eight years of George W. Bush the left found itself again and manifest itself in protests, anti-war protests.
And the mantra became, dissent is patriotic. The second that the Tea Party came out there, they were attacked by the mainstream media
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FRANK: I went to the first Tea Party rally because I thought I was going to see something that I liked. I was looking for insurgency. I mean, we are in a time -- you go back and read the journalism from the early 1930s, that's what we're repeating now. And I went out there looking for the angry Iowa farmers or the marchers in Detroit.
PARKER: And what did you find?
FRANK: Well, they talked a good game about the TARP.
Remember this. They were the only ones out there -- we talk about Tim Geithner and stuff. They were the only ones out there that were saying this is a bad idea. And they won a lot of points for saying that.
(CROSSTALK)
BREITBART: Which was a Bush idea, which was -- they were the first anti-Bush conservatives to say that much of the last eight years went against conservative economic principles.
(CROSSTALK)
PARKER: That is an important point, that they're against Republican spending as well. FRANK: Sure.
(CROSSTALK)
SPITZER: Just to clarify your point, I happen to think that what they're doing is patriotic.
I'm a big fan of grassroots activism. I happen to think they don't have answers. So I think that they are failing in terms of articulating a meaningful agenda.
But as a grassroots, activist movement, I love it. And I think that's what politics should be. I just wish that there were somebody on the Democratic side...
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PARKER: You just wish they were on your side.
SPITZER: That's exactly right. I wish we were giving them the answers, and Tim Geithner's what we offered them instead, and that's too bad.
BREITBART: Well, there's an elephant in the middle of the room. STANLEY GREENBERG, Clinton's pollster, or ex-pollster, polled on whether or not Americans thought that Barack Obama was a socialist -- 55 percent believe that he's a socialist, and 33 percent of liberals and Democrats believe that.
And so that is not what people voted for. And so the idea of solutions, let's eradicate the ideas that they perceive to be socialist, because we're not a socialist nation.
FRANK: Well, sure. But the thing about that is, what do they mean by that? Do they mean he's a socialist in the sense that -- conservatives often use this term to describe anybody who believes in the welfare state, like Franklin Roosevelt is one or Jimmy Carter is one or I'm one.
And then they switch the definition to mean Stalin.
(CROSSTALK)
SPITZER: I agree with you.
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FRANK: It's because I have got on the glasses and a wristwatch. The Khmer Rouge is coming after me.
(CROSSTALK)
SPITZER: The biggest beneficiary of this socialist program have been the banks, and so the great irony to those of us who wish that we had a meaningful agenda for the middle class is that those who are eating out of the trough of government spending are the Wall Street folks who created the crisis, and now they're saying, enough. Once we have had it, nobody gets any. That is what's frustrating to some of us.
BREITBART: Well, if you want a middle ground, and obviously some exists in this room, then crony capitalism is something that I think most people can universally disagree with.
(CROSSTALK)
SPITZER: Absolutely.
PARKER: Some people are talking about a third party, a third- party candidate. Do you see a Tea Party person emerging as a candidate for 2012?
BREITBART: I would hope not. But that depends upon whether or not the Republican Party gets that the message is not strictly an anti-left, anti-Democratic Party one.
I don't think that the Republican Party gets that there is true discontent with the establishment Republican Party.
PARKER: Well, can we talk about Sarah Palin for a minute? You heard my little commentary earlier. Do you think that Sarah Palin is bad for the GOP?
BREITBART: Absolutely not.
And we live in the 21st century. It is a media age. And conservatives exist almost exclusively in the political realm and don't understand pop culture. She uses Facebook and social media better than anybody.
(CROSSTALK)
BREITBART: She's a kingmaker. Like Oprah Winfrey helped to make Barack Obama and anointed him, Sarah Palin has already shown that she has anointed women, women, women, women.
(CROSSTALK)
FRANK: The most important aspect of Sarah Palin's career is that she captures this sense of grievance that average people have. Whether she has a right to it or not -- I don't think she does. But, remember, one of the biographies of her is called "The Persecution of Sarah Palin." And this has been the motif of her career.
(CROSSTALK)
PARKER: I obviously work for her campaign, clearly, right? Every time I speak out against her, she goes up in the polls.
(CROSSTALK)
FRANK: That's also the most...
(CROSSTALK)
FRANK: ... conservative grassroots grievance.
(CROSSTALK)
SPITZER: Why is there nobody on our side who can channel that sense of grievance and frustration? It all evaporated.
(CROSSTALK)
FRANK: There are people, but...
(CROSSTALK)
FRANK: ... look to the labor movement. Look to, you know, people who -- at angry middle-class people all over America, you know, who understand which side their economic interests are on.
There's lots of people like that. The problem with the Democratic Party is they don't see it like that way anymore. They identify themselves with the professional class. Unfortunately, like I said, I like Barack Obama. I voted for him. I was drinking the New Coke. But you look at a guy like Barack Obama, and that's what he epitomizes.
SPITZER: Andrew, I just need to ask you about Shirley Sherrod, the controversy about a month ago. To remind our viewers she was forced to resign from the Agriculture Department after you put out a truncated copy of a speech she had given.
You then corrected it the next day. And everybody including the White House picked up on it. When you look back at that, what happened? Who's at fault? Is this commentary about the media? What does this mean?
BREITBART: It is certainly a complicated story that we can't, you know, end a show on. But I will tell you this.
The video in question did not come from outer space and land in the media. It came in the context of a 1,000-word piece that had another video in it. In that 1,000-word piece, I offered this exact phrase: "Eventually, her basic humanity informed her to help the white farmer."
So the context was granted in the 1,000-word piece that offered it.
PARKER: Thanks so much for joining us, guys.
We have to take a quick break. Please don't touch that remote.
SPITZER: Up next: Elizabeth Warren, one of my heroes. She will be with us in 60 seconds.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) ELIZABETH WARREN, CHAIRWOMAN, TROUBLED ASSETS RELIEF PROGRAM OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE: I have been knocking on doors in Congress for over two years now, in effect, like a door-to-door salesman, saying, I have this idea for this consumer agency. Would you like to spare five minutes just to talk about it?
Somebody wants to talk about the consumer agency, you can almost always count on me to be there.
AARON SORKIN, SCREENWRITER: Sarah Palin's an idiot. Come on. This is a remarkably...
(CROSSTALK)
SPITZER: Pull your punches here.
SORKIN: This is a remarkably, stunningly, jaw-droppingly incompetent and mean woman.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
SPITZER: Welcome back.
It's time for our headliner interview, tonight, Elizabeth Warren, the gutsy, tough protector of the middle class who has ruffled lots of feathers. The president just gave her the job everyone wanted her to get. She's going to be in charge of creating the new Consumer Protection Agency, jurisdiction over mortgages, credit cards, everything else that matters to the middle class.
PARKER: But, Eliot, her efforts have also created skeptics. Some question whether she's the right person to help launch the consumer agency, or even if we need it.
SPITZER: Elizabeth, welcome.
Let me tell you, I am absolutely so thrilled you are there. Now, let's be frank. In the past year or so, you had TARP oversight as part of your responsibility. And there was a little bit of friction between you and your new boss.
You're also going to be an assistant to Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner. And just so it's clear, you heard me state my views about Tim earlier in the show. We're not going to go there.
But let's take a look at a clip of you interrogating Tim earlier this year.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
TIMOTHY GEITHNER, U.S. TREASURY SECRETARY: We had no other choice in that circumstance.
ELIZABETH WARREN, CHAIRWOMAN, TROUBLED ASSETS RELIEF PROGRAM OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE: I do believe that it had a choice until you moved in, and that was that they could pay 90 cents on the dollar, 85 cents on the dollar, 80 cents on the dollar.
(CROSSTALK)
GEITHNER: I don't understand why this is so complicated. You either prevent default.
WARREN: It is complicated, Mr. Secretary.
GEITHNER: No, but it has come down to the nature of choices. It's you either prevent default, because default would be cataclysmic, or you don't.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SPITZER: Look, just so it is clear, you were absolutely right. The Treasury Department did not need to pay off the big banks 100 cents on the dollar on the AIG credit default swaps that they had bought. And that was one of the sort of under-the-rug ways to bail out the banks. It shouldn't have happened.
But put that aside right now. The question that I care about and I think all Americans care about, will you have the freedom that you need to create the agency that's going to protect the American middle class?
WARREN: So, I had a lot of conversations with the president of the United States before he finally asked me to do this particular job, and I am convinced, first of all, that he wants a strong agency, and, secondly, that he put enough tools in front of me to start a strong agency.
SPITZER: Tools that are in the statute?
WARREN: That's right.
SPITZER: Just so it's clear.
PARKER: Well, yes. And I think some people are concerned about those tools. Let me just ask about the confirmation process itself.
WARREN: Sure.
PARKER: Because the president bypassed that and appointed you, there's some question -- you know, a lot of people have normal questions about the transparency aspect of this new position.
If you're supposed to be transparent, then why not go through the confirmation process and let people ask the questions?
WARREN: You know, it's a fair question. And it was on the table.
The problem we have got is with the confirmation process itself right now. As both of you know, there are lots of people who are less outspoken than I am who are awaiting the confirmation process. So, here's what probably would have unfolded. It would have been literally months, perhaps moving into a year, before I could get a hearing of any kind.
As you know, the confirmation process can be held up by secret holds. And during that period of time, there would be two restraints on me. The first one is, I couldn't talk about this agency. All of its enemies could, but I couldn't.
And I wouldn't be able to do anything to help it. So the question in front of us was, you want to go the confirmation route. A year from now, maybe you get a chance to make the case.
SPITZER: I think it is such a sad commentary about the United States Senate. Investment banker from Wall Street after investment banker from Wall Street gets confirmed without hesitation, and the one person in America who stood up for the middle class, who was screaming for years saying, there's unfairness, it's leading to a disaster, can't get confirmed.
But let's put that aside. What is your agenda? Give us issues one, two, and three, because you're about to get to work. What are we going to see that the middle class will say, aha, this will change my life?
WARREN: What I really want to see are credit products, right, which is what they really are. In many ways, they are, like toasters or refrigerators.
These things that people buy like credit cards and mortgages, I want to see them short and readable, so that a consumer can say I can see how much that costs and I can see what kind of risk comes with it. And here's the key part. I can compare this one to that one to that one to that one and tell that's the one that's cheaper or the one that has lower risk.
PARKER: I'm all for simplified the credit card forms, and that would be nice, but isn't it really -- I mean, aren't we falling into the trap of taking care of people who refuse to take care of themselves?
I mean, if I run up credit card debt, that's my fault. It's not the fault of anyone else.
WARREN: There's plenty of room for personal responsibility here.
When these agreements are clear and people can see exactly what the credit costs, it's up to them whether or not they do. But here's the part that I care about and I think the regulation should be about.
(CROSSTALK)
WARREN: Nobody should have to worry that hidden back there somewhere in the pages and pages of fine print are tricks and traps. You know, there is nothing in the fine print that's ever good news for the consumer.
SPITZER: What can we do to make the mortgage market better, more transparent, and permit people to compete for good rates? WARREN: So it's really basically the same principle again, because that's what this agency is driving for. This is not the Whac- A-Mole let's do one more, let's ban this practice, then let's go somewhere else, let's add on layers and layers of more disclosures.
People already sign too many papers at a closing. This is really about how about a one-page mortgage shopping sheet that basically says here are the three key terms you need to know, and it will be binding. You can compare. You have got, you know, five days to compare, so that once again, all we're driving toward is you can tell what the cost is to you, there are no surprises, and you can compare one product to another.
PARKER: One last question before we close. Will you testify before committees as appropriate? When they ask you questions, will you go before them and answer?
WARREN: I certainly hope so. I mean, that's exactly the right thing to...
PARKER: Do you have the right, though, as an appointee to decline?
WARREN: I don't think so.
PARKER: I mean, can you -- can the president call executive privilege and...
WARREN: Let me say this a slightly different way. I have been knocking on doors in Congress for over two years now, in effect like a door-to-door salesman, saying, I have this idea for this consumer agency. Would you like to spare five minutes just to talk about it?
Somebody wants to talk about the consumer agency, you can almost always count on me to be there.
PARKER: So you created your job, didn't you?
WARREN: I did.
(LAUGHTER)
SPITZER: And you know what? The good news is the right person got it, if not in title. I have just got to tell you, this was a statute -- and I will editorialize -- a statute that had a lot of downside. It didn't deal effectively with a lot of big issues.
This is the one bright spot, both Elizabeth and the agency unambiguously for the middle class. It is just good news all the way around.
Elizabeth, thank you so much for being here.
We're going to take a quick break. We will be right back in just a moment.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SORKIN: I'm sorry. But the Democrats -- since I have done it already, OK? Since the cat's out of the bag, and honestly...
SPITZER: Give it to us straight.
SORKIN: The Democrats may have moved into the center, but the Republicans have moved into a mental institution. OK? So I will take the Democrats.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
SPITZER: Anyone who loves politics or TV for that matter knows the name Aaron Sorkin. His series "The West wing" created a modern mythology of the presidency, the president as noble leader surrounded by young idealists who always do the right thing.
PARKER: Kind of sounds like the Obama White House, doesn't it, Eliot?
SPITZER: I just kind of wish it were that way. But as much as I love "The West Wing," my favorite Aaron Sorkin moment, perhaps my favorite movie moment was that scene in "A Few Good Men" when Tom Cruise is taking on Jack Nicholson. Remember this?
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
TOM CRUISE, ACTOR: Colonel Jessup, did you order the code red?
UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: You don't have to answer that question!
JACK NICHOLSON, ACTOR: I will answer the question. You want answers?
CRUISE: I think I'm entitled to them.
NICHOLSON: You want answers?
CRUISE: I want the truth!
NICHOLSON: You can't handle the truth!
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PARKER: Of course, Eliot, you remember that Jack Nicholson was the villain.
SPITZER: You know, I'm not so sure. The whole thing here is Jack Nicholson may have been telling us the truth. We can't handle it. And I loved that moment. It was just beautiful.
PARKER: Sorkin's latest movie, "The Social Network," tells the story of how Facebook began. I loved the movie. It's beautifully written, smart and entertaining. We're so excited to have him here today, TV and screenwriter, playwright Aaron Sorkin.
(CROSSTALK)
PARKER: Live and in living color. How are you?
SORKIN: Wonderful to see you.
PARKER: Nice to see you. Thank you for coming.
SORKIN: My pleasure.
SPITZER: Let's pivot if we can. We will come back to the movie in a moment. Let's talk politics.
You created in "The West Wing" -- you know, I was a prosecutor. "The Godfather" did for organized crime figures what "The West Wing" did for politicians. It taught us how we were supposed to act. What's wrong with Obama the White House, when you critique it, compare it to the mythology you created?
SORKIN: First of all, remember, I had it easy. Not only do I get to decide what the president says. I get to decide how everybody is going to react to it.
And so I think what a lot of people feel like they're missing is the goose bump experience that he gave us during the campaign. And he's even -- and this is something that the Republicans don't do. They tend not to eat their own.
If you're a Democrat and you're not left enough for other Democrats, they will come at you just as hard as the Republicans do, which is an honorable thing. It's called sticking to your guns. It's just not good politics.
SPITZER: That's right.
PARKER: As a storyteller, what do you make of Sarah Palin and the Tea Party?
SORKIN: Again, you...
PARKER: You don't have to give sophisticated answers here.
SORKIN: OK. I won't give sophisticated answers.
(CROSSTALK)
SPITZER: You're just a country lawyer, too. I have heard that line.
SORKIN: Let me make it clear that the movie "The Social Network" has absolutely no politics in it at all.
(LAUGHTER)
PARKER: OK. Yes, yes, yes. And we're here to promote your movie.
(CROSSTALK)
SORKIN: Nobody has to agree with anything that I'm saying in order to see this movie.
PARKER: OK.
SORKIN: But...
PARKER: But.
SORKIN: Sarah Palin's an idiot. Come on. Come on. This is a remarkably...
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SPITZER: Pull your punches here.
SORKIN: This is a remarkably, stunningly, jaw-droppingly incompetent and mean woman.
PARKER: Wow. What do you base that on, the meanness part?
SORKIN: When she talks about real Americans vs. not real Americans, that's a divisive thing. I'm pretty sure I fall into the category of a not real American to her.
PARKER: Right. You're not real, because you have those horn- rimmed glasses.
SORKIN: Because I have these glasses, because I'm from New York, and because I work in Hollywood.
Let's ignore the fact that my father fought in World War II, put himself through college on the G.I. Bill, that his parents were immigrants who came here and my paternal grandfather was one of the founders of the International Ladies Garment Workers Union.
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SPITZER: From our perspective, you're American.
SORKIN: I appreciate that.
(CROSSTALK)
SPITZER: You're the real American. You're the real deal.
PARKER: We are going to give you a lapel pin.
(LAUGHTER)
SORKIN: Thanks. Because I feel American. I feel very patriotic. And a lot of the juice behind "The West Wing" was redefining patriotism in a way that for me makes more sense, not bumper sticker patriotism, but honest to God -- I mean, some people might even say over-romanticized or idealized patriotism.
But that was the most patriotic show on television. We began with flags waving.
PARKER: I have watched that show with people who wept during -- just in a normal evening.
SORKIN: That's really nice to hear.
(LAUGHTER)
SORKIN: We would -- the show would be attacked by the religious right for being anti-God, yet we had a character in the president of the United States, Martin Sheen's character, who was a devout Catholic.
PARKER: Yes.
SORKIN: There's a scene. He is praying on the floor of the Oval Office before he makes a decision. That show had more religion on it than any episode of --
SPITZER: Can I make a suggestion? I think you need to make a sequel. And you know why?
PARKER: To "The West Wing"?
SPITZER: To "The West Wing" because there was -- you're absolutely right. When people watched it, there was patriotism.
PARKER: Call it East Wing.
SPITZER: People believed in our government. There was a sense of purpose. And the government was living up to it.
PARKER: As a patriotic gesture.
SPITZER: Now we don't.
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SORKIN: OK. Well, I think you're selling me nicely.
SPITZER: Before we let you go --
SORKIN: I'm sorry, but the Democrats -- since I've done it already. OK? Since the cat's out of the bag and honestly --
SPITZER: Give it to us straight here.
SORKIN: The senior people at Sony are just killing me right now for what I'm saying.
SPITZER: We'll protect you.
SORKIN: But the Democrats may have moved into the center, but the Republicans have moved into a mental institution. OK? So I'll take the Democrats.
SPITZER: Before we let you go, we've got to watch a clip from the movie.
SORKIN: Yes, please. Thanks. And before you show the clip, please, you can really disagree with my politics. This movie has nothing to do --
SPITZER: I promise you, everybody's going to go see it.
SORKIN: I actually went on TV and lost ticket buyers.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Zuckerberg, do I have your full attention?
MR. MARK ZUCKERBERG, FACEBOOK CO-FOUNDER: No.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you think I deserve it?
ZUCKERBERG: What?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you think I deserve your full attention?
ZUCKERBERG: I had to swear an oath before we began this deposition, and I don't want to perjure myself. So I have a legal obligation to say no.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. No. You don't think I deserve your attention?
ZUCKERBERG: I think if your clients want to sit on my shoulders and call themselves tall they have a right to give it a try but there's no requirement that I enjoy sitting here listening to people lie. You have part of my attention. You have the minimum amount. The rest of my attention is back at the offices of Facebook, where my colleagues and I are doing things that no one in this room, including and especially your clients, are intellectually or creatively capable of doing. Did I adequately answer your condescending question?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SPITZER: It's riveting.
PARKER: Wow.
SPITZER: I love the lawyers in there too. I feel good.
PARKER: That's a great, great scene.
SPITZER: Amazing scene. One last question.
SORKIN: Yes, sir.
SPITZER: Somewhere in the movie I think maybe you say or a character says, obviously, that 85 percent of a deposition is exaggeration.
SORKIN: It's a young staffer. She says with emotional testimony like this I always assume that 85 percent is exaggeration. And Mark Zuckerberg says and the other 15, she says perjury.
SPITZER: Awesome. Boy, every lawyer should watch that. You're right. You're right.
PARKER: I have a thousand other questions I'd love to ask you about, but maybe we're going to have to wait for the next time.
SORKIN: Well, I appreciate you having me here. Thanks very much.
PARKER: Hope you come back. Thank you.
SPITZER: Everybody is going to see this movie.
SORKIN: I hope you're right.
PARKER: We have to take a quick break. We'll be right back.
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HENRY BLODGET, EDITOR, BUSINESS INSIDER: That's what my sense of you always was. That you were coming in, you say enough is enough, we are going to change this system. And you had huge balls to do that.
I have to say a lot of prosecutors, a lot of regulators are sitting back. I voted for you -- I voted for you for governor later.
SPITZER: Well --
BLODGET: As a result of that.
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SPITZER: Now for "Unfinished Business," where I get to revisit a big case I worked on. And this case when I was attorney general, and this may be one of the biggest. I don't think Henry Blodget ever thought he and I would be sitting down for a friendly chat because when we first met there were lots of lawyers on both sides.
Back when I was attorney general, I went after people like Henry Blodget. He was a superstar analyst at Merrill Lynch earning millions of dollars, but to me he symbolized everything wrong with Wall Street. Henry was part of a system that knowingly misled investors about bad stocks, and I found the e-mail trail to prove it. One example, an Internet stock called Excite@Home. On the same day his own company rated a strong buy, an internal e-mail called it, and I quote, "a piece of crap."
I prosecuted Henry. He paid a big price. $4 million in fines. Banned from the industry for life. Henry. HENRY BLODGET, EDITOR, BUSINESS INSIDER: Thank you.
SPITZER: It is --
BLODGET: Quite -- quite an introduction.
SPITZER: -- you know, not your normal introduction. But let me say this from the bottom of my heart. Thank you for being here. And most importantly, congratulations. You now run a Web site whose name is?
BLODGET: Business insider.
SPITZER: Business -- and you get four million hits per week.
BLODGET: Four million people.
SPITZER: Four million people, unbelievable. And your voice is valued on Wall Street, everywhere else. And so I applaud you at every level for that. And bygones are bygones.
BLODGET: And I applaud you --
SPITZER: Well, thank you.
BLODGET: -- for your own comeback.
SPITZER: Well, thank you much. So we share much more. And you know, that is the good news about our society.
Let me ask this question first. Is it kind of weird to be sitting here with me?
BLODGET: It's a little bit weird.
SPITZER: Right.
BLODGET: But you know, you said earlier when we first met.
SPITZER: Right.
BLODGET: And the funny thing was in that whole prosecution we never met.
SPITZER: But I did meet your lawyers and you had lots of them.
BLODGET: Absolutely, yes. Merrill had lots of them.
SPITZER: Merrill had lawyers as did you. Let me ask you this fundamental question. Do you think we were unfair to you?
BLODGET: Me personally?
SPITZER: Yes.
BLODGET: I think that -- I think the frustration that Wall Street had with you when you were prosecuting --
SPITZER: Right.
BLODGET: -- and I think with other prosecutors is that it's a very competitive business. There were clear rules and so forth. A lot of people felt that people came in afterwards and said let's change that in hindsight. This was a terrible system.
SPITZER: Right. And here's the interesting thing.
BLODGET: So the researching and banking --
SPITZER: Right.
BLODGET: -- which was the center of our case, obviously, you know, when I got into the industry, it was there.
SPITZER: Right.
BLODGET: It was just simply the way everybody worked together.
SPITZER: You were part of a pre-existing system. And the system, I think it's generally accepted, now, did mislead investors. People were recommending stocks they didn't really believe in.
BLODGET: Well, I think you've got to be -- I mean, I think you've got to look at each specific case because some of these things you talk about. You know, people talk all day long when they're chattering back and forth. When you have a stock that has totally collapsed that you actually have been positive on --
SPITZER: Right.
BLODGET: -- there's a certain amount of frustration and anger about that stock.
SPITZER: Right.
BLODGET: And it doesn't mean that going forward you don't think it justifies the rating but you're mad and you're venting in e-mails --
SPITZER: But let me tell you what the defense was. This is interesting. I think you know this little tale. When the lawyers for Merrill Lynch came in after we had alleged all this misleading set of recommendations, fundamental misleading of millions and millions of investors, the Merrill Lynch defense was not that we didn't understand it or that we were wrong. It was yes, you're correct, but you're not -- we are not as bad as our competitors. In other words, they were saying sure, we broke our fiduciary obligation, our bond of loyalty and truthfulness, but so did they.
BLODGET: If that was the defense, and I actually don't know --
SPITZER: It was. This is what they said to me in the office. BLODGET: What I would have said is OK, we've got to look at the e-mails in context. We've got to understand the chatter between analysts and the people getting angry with whatever a CEO says or whatever. It's like locker room talk.
SPITZER: Let's --
BLODGET: But that said, I do want to say that I think Wall Street is riddled with conflicts of interest which you spotted and you went after.
SPITZER: Absolutely correct.
BLODGET: And I have a lot of respect for that. You picked a good one. There's no question.
SPITZER: Right. My objective was to change the system, was to make it safer for the middle class in particular, the small investors who never had been given a straight shot on Wall Street because we had said come in and invest but we weren't protecting them. And you're right about the conflicts that were riddling the entire system.
BLODGET: And still are. At Wall Street, it's a middle man riddled with conflicts of interest.
SPITZER: That's the question I wanted to ask you.
BLODGET: And by the way, I want to say that it's because of that, that's what my sense of you always was.
SPITZER: Right.
BLODGET: That's you were coming in, you'd say enough is enough, we are going to change this system.
SPITZER: Right.
BLODGET: And you had huge balls to do that. I have to say, a lot of prosecutors, a lot of regulators are sitting back. That's great. I voted for you -- I voted for you for governor later as a result of that. Because I felt --
SPITZER: That is the best endorsement I've ever gotten.
BLODGET: Yes.
SPITZER: You know, I'm never going to be in a position to use it, but I appreciate that. Let me ask you this question because you said earlier that Wall Street is still riddled with conflicts. You were the quintessential Wall Street insider, right in the vortex of everything that happens. Has Wall Street learned anything after this last cataclysm?
BLODGET: No. I think that Wall Street's an incredibly intense place. And this is why I think to be fair to people on Wall Street and in business, regulators have to set the rules and then they have to stick by them.
SPITZER: Right.
BLODGET: And you can't change them as things go --
SPITZER: Are we changing the rules right now?
BLODGET: I think rules are changed in hindsight is the problem, and people who have just been competing very hard --
SPITZER: Let me ask you. The only rule we really insisted on was tell the truth to investors.
BLODGET: And --
SPITZER: And that's not a change.
BLODGET: Absolutely.
SPITZER: It's just people were restrained from that. How can Wall Street say that's a change?
BLODGET: Well, I think again. I mean, I think that the research situation is very complicated because what does a buy rating mean?
SPITZER: Right.
BLODGET: Does it mean that everybody should buy a stock? It actually doesn't at any firm on Wall Street. And the answer is because you may have a different portfolio than I do.
SPITZER: Right.
BLODGET: No single word can encompass it.
SPITZER: Right.
BLODGET: So it's much more complicated than that. But I think so it has to be set out. Obviously, the rules have to be set.
SPITZER: Well, Henry, time is up. We will continue this in the days, months ahead. All I can tell you is thank you for being here. It has been a pleasure. We will continue it. And good luck with everything you're doing.
BLODGET: Congratulations.
SPITZER: Henry, thanks again. That was really spectacular.
Now don't go away. "Our Political Party" is next. We've been a little hard on Sarah Palin tonight. But finally, someone will have something nice to say about her.
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KATHLEEN PARKER, HOST: Everybody has to say something nice about Sarah.
KATIE LINENDOLL, TECH EXPERT: I'm going to actually put the politics aside and talk about fashion. Because that Palin family, I don't care what you say, they're always put together and Sarah Palin has done more for the leather jacket than David Hasselhoff.
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SPITZER: Welcome back to "Our Political Party" on "PARKER SPITZER." This show is about strong opinions and we thought what better way to let people speak than to have a party right here in the studio.
PARKER: We get to invite really smart people to the party we always wanted to have. Welcome to everyone. Let's introduce you.
Henry Blodget, who's the editor of "Business Insider" and about whom people know a great many things, all of which we've now resolved. Ari Melber, who is a columnist for "The Nation" and "Politico" and who, in his resume, I think I read that when you were in third grade you wrote a play in which -- recommending the prosecution of the Exxon Valdez. Yes?
ARI MELBER, COLUMNIST, "THE NATION": Exxon, yes.
PARKER: Well, good.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you win?
MELBER: I won.
I won. And I wrote it.
SPITZER: Send that down to D.C. They need some advice with BP. They need a theory. They need a theory.
PARKER: Some kids are playing with trucks, he's writing plays.
SPITZER: And Katie Linendoll who is a tech expert on A&E but two unbelievable things. You've been a computer hacker, you were a hacker since you were 12. And you won --
PARKER: Which started last year, right?
KATIE LINENDOLL, TECH EXPERT: Right.
SPITZER: You're a prodigy. And you won a wing-eating contest eating 52 wings in one hour.
LINENDOLL: This is true. That holds more clout than my Emmy these days.
SPITZER: And an Emmy. Now that we don't care about, we don't care about -- PARKER: Oh, you got an Emmy. We don't care about Emmys. Chicken wings.
SPITZER: But you know, the smaller the person the more they can eat faster. It's one of these things --
LINENDOLL: We can put it down.
SPITZER: All right. Someday after the show we'll see who can do that. And Will Cain, who is a writer for the "National Review." And this one is serious. Congratulations. Just found out, baby number two on the way.
WILL CAIN, "NATIONAL REVIEW": That's right. That's right. Thanks.
SPITZER: Very, very exciting.
PARKER: Congratulations.
SPITZER: Rest up now. That's my advice.
PARKER: All right. We start out with a party game. And as it turns out, this show has resulted in some pretty harsh criticism of Sarah Palin. So we're going to go --
SPITZER: All from you, I'm glad to say.
PARKER: Not all from me.
SPITZER: I like it. I like it.
PARKER: No, no, no, no. So we're going to go around the table and everybody has to say something nice about Sarah. OK, go Will.
CAIN: Perfect.
Sarah Palin ticks off all the right people. She has a strong female voice and I think they dislike her for the same reason that the NAACP dislikes Clarence Thomas. She's not adhering to the groupthink they require.
PARKER: OK. Well, that's one explanation. Katie, how about you?
LINENDOLL: Hey, tough to follow. I'm going to actually put the politics aside and talk about fashion because that Palin family, I don't care what they say, they're always put together and Sarah Palin has done more for the leather jacket than David Hasselhoff. That's all I've got.
Not to mention red heels.
CAIN: And the glasses?
LINENDOLL: And the glasses. CAIN: The glasses.
LINENDOLL: See?
She made glasses cool.
PARKER: All right.
SPITZER: Hasselhoff, Palin, "Dancing with the Stars." Palin family's doing better.
MELBER: I like that she gets in there and she supports people who are part of the incumbent establishment in Washington. I don't always like her picks, but we need more of that. And if you compare her to the Democrats, who've been all about incumbents and protecting their own, she gets out there and mixes it up. I think that's a good thing.
PARKER: Well, that's the truth. She's fearless, she's got gumption, and she really is a maverick unlike her former running mate.
SPITZER: She's an insurgent.
PARKER: Yes, she's an insurgent.
BLODGET: And that's the problem. It's too easy to say positive things about her. She's incredibly talented, compelling, feisty. She's smoking, which doesn't hurt at all.
SPITZER: Wow. This is a Wall Street guy. This is a Wall Street guy.
PARKER: Gee. OK. Well, everybody feels better about Sarah.
SPITZER: You know, I don't know. We've just given her this -- a promo.
PARKER: What about you?
SPITZER: I don't know if I should play along with this.
PARKER: Well, you already defended her.
SPITZER: Let's come back to the real world. Every election cycle there are celebrities who come out of the woodwork who say, you know, Warren Beatty, Donald Trump. Who is your favorite celebrity candidate now to get in for president in 2012? Take a little time to build the base.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
SPITZER: Who would you want to see from the celebrity ranks?
PARKER: It has to be a celebrity.
SPITZER: It has to be celebrity. CAIN: Well, the conservative movement is chock full of celebrities. So, I'm going to pick a fictional character. I'm going to take the dude from "The Big Lebowski."
PARKER: All right.
CAIN: Because what we need --
SPITZER: You know that movie, right?
PARKER: I do.
CAIN: -- is an unambitious laid back slacker. That's what we need. We need somebody who doesn't have the energy --
SPITZER: Wait a minute.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Didn't we have that for eight years?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's your theory of government? Slacker government?
CAIN: Someone who doesn't have the energy to meddle in our lives. Somebody --
PARKER: White Russians all around.
CAIN: Someone who knows Calvin Coolidge's lesson of government. First rule, do no harm.
SPITZER: I don't know if a slacker does no harm. We tried it for eight years. All right. All right.
Who's your celebrity?
LINENDOLL: I need somebody that knows the value of a dollar. That is relatable. Jared from subway. Hands down.
SPITZER: OK. OK.
PARKER: All right then.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's self improvement.
LINENDOLL: Have you tried the cheese bread? Then come back and run for president.
MELBER: I always get the cucumbers in the sandwich. That's only available at Subway.
SPITZER: I had a daughter who we could only go to subway for about a year. It was about all I could take. Thank goodness she passed through the station --
PARKER: Henry, I never thought you'd end up having this kind of conversation. BLODGET: It's got to be the governator. Come on.
PARKER: The governator.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Schwarzenegger.
BLODGET: He's the only celebrity ready for president.
SPITZER: Look, I like him. He's, you know, a wonderful guy. But look what happened to California.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I know.
SPITZER: It will certainly be easier -- it's going to be easier to be president.
BLODGET: No, it's not.
SPITZER: But there's a difference.
MELBER: Wait, he's a Republican. The Republicans already think the current president was born somewhere else. So I think an actual immigrant would be a problem.
BLODGET: This guy has a story. Very inspiring American story.
SPITZER: All right. We've got to take a quick break. When we come back, we'll have another great question to get you going. Thank you. We'll be right back.
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SPITZER: Welcome back to "Our Political Party." I could stay all night but we've only got a few minutes. So, Kathleen, take it away.
PARKER: OK, all you movers and shakers, we want to find out what your guilty pleasure is. Eliot loves NASCAR. Henry --
SPITZER: Not so guilty.
PARKER: Yes, I don't know. But most people wouldn't look at you and say ah, NASCAR guy, right?
SPITZER: That's right.
PARKER: So what is your secret guilty pleasure nobody knows about?
BLODGET: I could make it up, but sitting on a couch with a bowl of shredded wheat and a laptop.
SPITZER: Oh, my goodness. Oh, my goodness. This is Wall Street, guys.
But you're already married.
BLODGET: That's right.
SPITZER: Studying what credit default swaps are all about. All right. We like it.
PARKER: All right.
MELBER: I'll tell you my problem, you can guess the pleasure. This past summer in August I had eight cavities.
PARKER: Ooh. So you're --
SPITZER: A little sugar.
PARKER: Right there is sugar.
MELBER: Sugar, Mike & Ike's, especially. I went cold --
PARKER: Mike & Ike's.
MELBER: Mike & Ike's. I went cold turkey after that.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Wow.
PARKER: Yes?
MELBER: Yes.
PARKER: That must have been miserable.
SPITZER: Did you have Novocain when you had the fillings?
MELBER: I did have Novocain.
SPITZER: All right.
PARKER: We have something in common. Neither one of us ever had Novocain when we had our cavities filled as children.
SPITZER: That's right.
PARKER: And our fathers forced us to watch William F. Buckley's firing line.
SPITZER: And we ended up very different people so much.
PARKER: Haven't we? Yes. But we could be tortured endlessly.
LINENDOLL: Guilty pleasure, I'm a huge, huge WWE fan.
SPITZER: Really?
LINENDOLL: Never missed a "raw," never missed a "smackdown." Rick flair.
SPITZER: Really?
LINENDOLL:
SPITZER: Yes. So is Linda McMahon going to be a great senator?
LINENDOLL: Linda McMahon for Senate.
PARKER: How about you, Will?
CAIN: In case the testosterone has gone on wild, I'm bringing it down. I'm a big fan --
PARKER: I can't wait for that.
CAIN: I'm a big fan of "The Real Housewives" series on Bravo.
PARKER: Oh, no.
CAIN: So you line up all the sports nut straight guys who can say that, and we'll get together and have a watching party.
PARKER: I hate to break up the conversation but we're throwing a party every night this time on "PARKER SPITZER."
SPITZER: Thanks to our guests. Appreciate it. Loads of fun.
PARKER: We'll be right back.
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ANDERSON COOPER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: I'm Anderson Cooper. "PARKER SPITZER" continues in a moment. First, here's the latest.
The State Department says the travel alert issued to Americans visiting Europe isn't tied to a specific plot threat. Sources tell CNN the agency is following multiple streams of threat information, none of it specific enough to name countries of concern.
In Connecticut, jurors began deliberations in the widely watched murder trial. Steven Hayes charged with 17 counts, including capital murder in the killings of Jennifer Hawke-Petit and her two daughters during a 2007 home invasion. Hayes could face the death penalty if convicted.
In New Jersey, two college students who allegedly recorded and posted a video of another student during a sexual encounter face criminal charges. 18-year-old Tyler Clementi committed suicide after investigators say a video showing him kissing a man was posted online by his roommate. We're learning more about how the tragedy unfolded tonight on "360" at 10:00 p.m. Eastern. New details about Tyler's roommate and how strong a case prosecutors may have.
That's the latest. Now back to "PARKER SPITZER."
SPITZER: You know who's going to pull up a chair later this week? The individual who single-handedly created the Tea Party, former Congressman Dick Armey.
PARKER: And the Hollywood director who manages to tick off everybody, Oliver Stone, goes off the reservation again.
Stay tuned for "LARRY KING LIVE" with Wanda Sykes and Kathy Griffin.
SPITZER: That sounds like a great show. And you know what? Tomorrow is going to be a great show here as well. Thanks for joining us. See you tomorrow night.
