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Brennan Hawkins' Long Journey Home; Billy Graham's Last Crusade
Aired June 22, 2005 - 20:00 ET
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KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN ANCHOR: Hello, everyone. Paula is on assignment.
Tonight, a young boy shows what it takes to be a real-life survivor.
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PHILLIPS (voice-over): Four days in the wild and a Boy Scout's will to live.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He had the ability to survive.
PHILLIPS: How he got lost, how he was found.
JODY HAWKINS, MOTHER OF BRENNAN: They told me that Brennan was still alive and that he was in good shape. My brain still cannot comprehend.
PHILLIPS: And how he is now. Tonight, Brennan Hawkins' long journey home.
And an inspiration to millions, an adviser to world leaders. After a lifetime as a Christian soldier...
(on camera): What do you want everything to remember about you?
BILLY GRAHAM, EVANGELIST: I was faithful of the message that he gave me to go into the world and preach the Gospel.
PHILLIPS: Billy Graham's last crusade.
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PHILLIPS: And we begin tonight with the miraculous story of 11- year-old Brennan Hawkins. This time last night, we were all catching our breath at the news that he had been found near a lake just about five miles from where he had last been seen.
Today, we are learning more about how he survived four days lost in the rugged Utah wilderness. We saw Brennan just a few hours ago. He spent most of the time hiding behind the microphones while his family talked to the media.
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TOBY HAWKINS, FATHER OF BRENNAN: I think he's doing very well. In fact, you can see it in his eyes. He looks...
J. HAWKINS: He's tired.
T. HAWKINS: He looks very healthy. He's very tired. He's kind of nodded off for a couple naps this afternoon and stuff.
He has (INAUDIBLE) fun playing with his -- playing with his brothers and his friends and stuff. He's been, as we have mentioned before, playing "Pokemon." And it's getting back to business as usual as much as we can.
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PHILLIPS: And for more now on Brennan Hawkins's survival story, here's Peter Viles.
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PETER VILES, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The town of Bountiful, Utah, experienced Brennan's ordeal as powerfully as his family did.
J. HAWKINS: We are here to unequivocally tell you that the heavens are not closed, prayers are answered and children come home.
VILES: Those prayers began Friday night in Bountiful, just hours after Brennan Hawkins lost his way.
MARISA HALL, NEIGHBOR: As soon as we found out that, we both got on our knees and said a prayer, and hoped for the best, you know?
VILES: By Saturday morning, Brennan's first day without food and water, neighbors were packing overnight bags to join the search. And many of Brennan's friends were being told by their parents that something was wrong.
KEATON HALL, 8 YEAS OLD: My dad was going somewhere. I asked where he was going. Then my mom said he was going to find Brennan.
VILES: This past weekend, there was fear and anxiety in this close-knit community, but there was also hope.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There was an excitement. They were very hopeful that there -- that today was the day, because we had so many volunteers.
VILES: On Sunday, Father's Day, while Brennan was waking up alone for a second morning, his neighborhood was eerily quiet.
M. HALL: It was almost like a ghost town here, just because everyone was gone. Everyone was up on the mountain. It was amazing.
VILES: On the mountain, Brennan was thinking about his father's advice.
J. HAWKINS: He had two thoughts going through his head all the time.
Toby has always told him, if you get lost, stay on the trial. So he stayed on the trail.
We've also told him, don't talk to strangers. He stayed on the trail. When an ATV or horse came by, he got off the trail.
VILES: By Monday, the Hawkins and entire community were in a type of denial, trying to keep themselves from voicing their own worst fears.
M. HALL: I let myself think for one minute think, what if this was my own child? And I couldn't do that again. It was just too hard.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You don't want to think of the abduction. You don't want to think of the river. You don't want to think of an animal getting him. You don't -- you just don't want to think of any of those things.
VILES: But one neighborhood friend did.
K. HALL: I was thinking that he might have been dead.
VILES: By Tuesday, Brennan's fourth morning alone, he was scared that somebody might try to kidnap him. His mother believed he was dead.
J. HAWKINS: When I was going to get into the sheriff's car, I knew they were going to tell me that Brennan was no longer with me. And I collapsed before I could get into the truck.
And they put me into the truck. And they told me that Brennan was still alive and that he was in good shape. My brain still cannot comprehend that.
VILES: But her neighbors could.
M. HALL: She called me and she said, turn on your radio right now. And we just started jumping up and down. We were so excited.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I couldn't contain myself. I ran out on my front porch. And the mailman was there. And I yelled to the mailman, they found Brennan.
(LAUGHTER)
VILES: Again, 8-year-old Keaton said it best.
K. HALL: I was thinking that it was a miracle that he was still alive for four days without any water and food.
VILES: A miracle for an 11-year-old boy and also for the community that welcomed him home.
(END VIDEOTAPE) PHILLIPS: And that was Peter Viles in Bountiful, Utah.
And joining me here now, the man who found Brennan Hawkins, Forrest Nunley.
What a pleasure to have you.
FORREST NUNLEY, FOUND BRENNAN HAWKINS: Thank you.
PHILLIPS: I've been reading about you in the paper and now I finally get to meet you.
NUNLEY: It's a pleasure.
PHILLIPS: So, you saw the media coverage. Why did you want to help out? Why did you want to try to find Brennan?
NUNLEY: I think everyone in our community in Utah has always kind of banded together to do those things with any missing person, or whether it's a flood, whatever. They just are a very tight community. And we like helping each other. You get good feelings from it.
And just one of the gut feelings that you receive that you need to listen to and go and do it.
PHILLIPS: And you knew how this was going to take off in the media, because Elizabeth Smart -- we remember that case and that story -- lived in your neighborhood. So, you really wanted to react.
NUNLEY: Yes. Well, I wanted to help. But the media thing has just been really kind of a downer, you know? It's been...
PHILLIPS: Well, sure, because you didn't know where he was. This was someone in your neighborhood. But you have an all-terrain vehicle that was loaded up and ready to go, because that is just the kind of guy you are. You are an outdoorsy guy. So, you headed out to the area. Where did you start?
NUNLEY: I just pulled off a road there. I had a good map. And I did some checking the night before.
And I just went to a lake that was called Lily Lake. Looked good to me on the map, about as far as away as I thought the kid could go in three or four days, a little farther out than the search parties, I think, were going, and just worked my way out in and just happened to be in the right place at the right time, I guess.
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PHILLIPS: How did you know it was him? What did you see?
NUNLEY: When I first saw him, it was really hard to believe. You know, you don't know whether it was real or, you know, if it was him. He was -- I couldn't see him very well. He was about 30, 40 yards away. And, as I got closer, I noticed that his face was dirty. And I thought, wow, he's alone. He's not with a Scout group. I didn't know whether he was out just camping with other Scouts.
PHILLIPS: Was he sitting or standing or kind of...
NUNLEY: Standing up.
PHILLIPS: Standing up, just standing out there...
NUNLEY: Holding a wet T-shirt.
PHILLIPS: Oh, my gosh.
NUNLEY: And he was all wet and...
PHILLIPS: So, you approached him.
NUNLEY: I approached him and I asked his name. He says, I'm Brennan.
And wow. We'll sit you down, and get him warm, put some clothes on him and stuff, gave him some food and water and tried to call 911. And then some other people drove up the trail and helped him, like, got the EMTs and...
PHILLIPS: You are a father of three. You know how to communicate with your kids, right?
NUNLEY: Yes.
PHILLIPS: So we hope, right?
So, what did -- what did you say to him? And you asked him his name. But what else did he say to you?
NUNLEY: He didn't -- you know, he was really pretty well out of it. He was a little worried. He was scared that -- heard that his dad was up there. He thought he was in trouble.
The cowboys had just rode by him five minutes before. He thought that they were bogeymen out to get him. And so he was hiding.
PHILLIPS: Oh.
NUNLEY: He was crunched down, hiding being something.
It was just being at the right place at the right time.
PHILLIPS: Did anybody tell you about Brennan, you know, he's shy, he might not respond to you? Did anybody give you any type of warning about if indeed you came across him, how to handle him?
NUNLEY: No. I didn't -- I didn't think that someone would actually hide from people, you know?
PHILLIPS: Right.
NUNLEY: That didn't enter my mind. I didn't think of that. And then I heard that he was a little shy of water. So, I didn't think he would probably go around a river much. And so, I just picked a spot and was kind of just led up there to find him.
PHILLIPS: Did you embrace him? Did he embrace you?
NUNLEY: Oh, yes. Yes. He is a skinny little guy when I hugged him.
PHILLIPS: Oh.
NUNLEY: But it was a real special, real spiritual experience for me to find him like that.
PHILLIPS: Wow. Spiritual.
NUNLEY: Yes.
PHILLIPS: No doubt. So, you put him in the car.
NUNLEY: No.
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NUNLEY: I had to drive back down. I had to drive back down to find the EMTs and then drive them up there on their -- and they followed me.
PHILLIPS: So, you told him to wait there?
NUNLEY: Well, there were some cowboys. The cowboys there...
PHILLIPS: OK.
NUNLEY: .. actually stayed with him. It was one of his uncles or something just happened to be up the trail from me, five minutes ahead of me is all.
PHILLIPS: Did you see the reaction today at the press conference? He was very shy. He kind of squatted down.
NUNLEY: I didn't see it. I have been in these studios all day.
PHILLIPS: Well, this -- well, I can imagine everybody wants to talk to you.
NUNLEY: Yes. So...
PHILLIPS: I'm so glad you came by to talk to us. It is a pretty amazing story.
NUNLEY: Lucky I made it.
PHILLIPS: Are you going to keep in touch with him? Are you going to visit him?
NUNLEY: Oh, yes. Yes. I just talked to him on the phone a little bit about a half-an-hour ago.
PHILLIPS: What did he say to you?
NUNLEY: Well, his dad, actually. I'm sorry.
PHILLIPS: OK.
NUNLEY: I talked to his dad and his mother and some live feed, something. And they were just happy that we all felt the same, and they were just elated that their son was back with them.
PHILLIPS: So, when you finally got back, did he say goodbye, thank you so much?
NUNLEY: No. They didn't let me really talk to -- oh, the kid? No, he was too out of it.
PHILLIPS: Right.
NUNLEY: And there was too many people around.
PHILLIPS: Sure. It's overwhelming.
NUNLEY: And the EMTs and his parents. So, I just -- I just stood back and watched it. It was really neat to watch. And his mother and father, to hug him and see him like that, wow. What a neat thing to see.
PHILLIPS: Forrest Nunley, thank you so much for stopping by. Appreciate it.
NUNLEY: Sure.
PHILLIPS: You did an amazing thing.
NUNLEY: Just...
PHILLIPS: You have lucky kids. You know that?
(LAUGHTER)
NUNLEY: Thanks. I hope so.
PHILLIPS: You tell them.
NUNLEY: Great kids.
PHILLIPS: Thank you, Forrest.
NUNLEY: Thank you.
PHILLIPS: All right.
Well, Forrest Nunley -- listen to this, Forrest -- is one of our person of the day nominees. The others, Jack Kilby, for changing the world by inventing the microchip. He died this week at age 81. And Mississippi reporter Jerry Mitchell for bringing to light new evidence that led to the retrial of Edgar Ray Killen for the murders of three civil rights workers 41 years ago.
Vote at CNN.com/Paula. I'll let you know who wins later in the hour.
And still ahead, a Hollywood superstar, a red-hot romance and, believe it or not, a church that few people understand.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think that Tom Cruise has Katie Holmes on the fast track of indoctrination and absorption into Scientology.
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PHILLIPS: Exactly what is Scientology? Stay with us. We'll take you inside that religion that Tom Cruise says changed his life.
Also ahead, one of America's most beloved preachers looks beyond his last U.S. crusade.
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PHILLIPS: This weekend, Billy Graham will preach three times in New York City. He says it will be his last crusade in America. He's 86 years old, admits he has serious health problems, but don't be misled. He says he's looking forward to heaven.
Graham has been a giant figure across the world, preaching for so many years and to so many presidents. He seems to tie us to our nation's past.
An essential part of his life story is his family and his wife. They've been married for nearly 62 years. But Ruth Bell Graham has modestly stayed in the shadows, while her husband did the preaching. But don't think she's a shrinking violet.
As a matter of fact, she's the focus of tonight's "PEOPLE IN THE NEWS" profile.
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RUTH GRAHAM, DAUGHTER OF BILLY AND RUTH GRAHAM: Dear God, I prayed all unafraid, as we're inclined to do. I do not need a handsome man. But let him be like you.
PHILLIPS (voice-over): The desires of a teenage girl growing up in rural China. Ruth Graham's daughter, her namesake, reads a poem her mother wrote.
R. GRAHAM: And let his face have character, a ruggedness of soul. And let his whole life show, dear God, a singleness of goal.
PHILLIPS: Little did 13-year-old Ruth know, just a few years later, she would meet that man of her girlhood dreams, a young man she would help become the most famous evangelist of the 20th century.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She's been his closest adviser and confidant.
ANNE GRAHAM LOTZ, ANGEL MINISTRIES: And she's an incredible woman. You wouldn't have Billy Graham without Ruth Graham. And I know that. He knows that, too.
PHILLIPS: The daughter of medical ministries, Ruth McCue Bell was born in China in 1920.
R. GRAHAM: And it was a very happy childhood, although, outside the walls were bandits and warlords and overhead were Japanese bombers flying.
PHILLIPS: China and Japan were at war. Ruth dreamed of becoming a missionary in Tibet. But her parents said she was going to college.
So, dressed in hand-me-downs and size seven saddle shoes, Ruth headed to Wheaton College in Illinois. That is where she met and later married Billy Graham.
WILLIAM MARTIN, BIOGRAPHER: Their courtship was humorous in a way. He would ask her for a date, then not be in contact with her for six weeks, ask her again, and then wonder, was he asking her; was he pressing her too much. And then, finally, she dated some other people, and he said, you are going to date only me or everybody but me. So, she -- OK. We'll do that.
PHILLIPS: Trading Tibet for the mountains of North Carolina, Ruth was not your typical preacher's wife. She had no problem speaking her mind, even in front of the president of the United States.
R. GRAHAM: And Mr. Johnson was asking him for advice, some sort of political advice. And my mother kicked him under the table. And my daddy being my father said, why did you kick me under the table? And Mr. Johnson looked at daddy and said, Billy, she's right. You stick to preaching and I'll stick to politicking.
PHILLIPS: Billy not only felt her influence, but so did her five rambunctious children, Gigi, Anne, Ruth, nicknamed Bunny, Franklin, and Ned.
LOTZ: There was lots of love, and we had lots of fun. There was lots of fighting, because all -- there are five children, all of us very strong-willed. And Franklin was sort of the catalyst. Franklin and my older sister Gigi were probably the catalyst for a lot of the fighting.
(LAUGHTER)
PHILLIPS: Ruth did whatever it took to keep her kids in line.
FRANKLIN GRAHAM, SON OF BILLY AND RUTH GRAHAM: I was misbehaving. I was picking on my sisters. And I was in the backseat of the car. She had warned me once to quit picking on my sisters. And I continued, and then, she pulled the car over and grabbed me by my neck and jerked me out of the car and opened the trunk and put me in the trunk and closed the trunk.
And away we went to town. So, my mother, always, she was a disciplinarian. If she told us to do something, we had better do it.
PHILLIPS: While Ruth was home raising the children, Billy was on the road, often months at a time. And his success meant sacrifice.
R. GRAHAM: He really tried to stay in touch with us and be the kind of father that he wanted to be. He has said that he's frustrated that he wasn't home for us when we were little.
MARTIN: Ruth, she got lonely, of course. And, at different points, she would sleep with a sport coat of his, just to kind of have the sense that he was near. But, she has said, I would rather have Billy Graham 50 percent of the time than any other man 100 percent of the time.
B. GRAHAM: Now listen
PHILLIPS: While Billy lived out his faith, for his children, largely from far...
B. GRAHAM: Many people are following Christ today.
PHILLIPS: ... Ruth lived out her faith in front of her kids every day.
LOTZ: It wasn't just something that was acted out on a platform or in a pulpit. And I would catch my mother on her knees in prayer.
R. GRAHAM: I have wonderful letters from my father. And we heard of lives being changed.
B. GRAHAM: And if you are willing to make the kind of a commitment I've talked about tonight, you're willing to come openly in front of everybody.
R. GRAHAM: Wonderful stories of what was going on. So, he kept us in the loop, as it were.
PHILLIPS (on camera): Did you ever realize your dad was famous?
R. GRAHAM: I did not. It wasn't until I was older that I realized my father was famous. My parents made very sure that we stayed grounded.
PHILLIPS (voice-over): A discipline that came from Ruth and Billy's commitment, not just to their kids, but to each other.
R. GRAHAM: There is a light in my mother's eyes when she looks at him. And there's a light in his eyes when he looks at her.
PHILLIPS (on camera): Your mom and dad still madly in love? R. GRAHAM: Very much so. Very much so. And it is so cute when you are with them now. He will sort of toddle over to her and lean into her to kiss her. And, of course, you are afraid he is going to fall.
(LAUGHTER)
R. GRAHAM: But she's watching her movie in the -- she's sitting in a chair. And he will lay across her bed and hold her hand while they are watching the movie.
They look at each other with such love and tenderness. And it is very sweet. And he says that this is the best time of their lives.
B. GRAHAM: I love her more now and we have more romance now than we did when we were young.
PHILLIPS (voice-over): A romance Ruth Graham put in a poem and a prayer more than 70 years ago.
R. GRAHAM: And when we comes, as he will come, with quiet eyes aglow, I'll understand that he's the man I prayed for long ago.
And her prayer was answered. You know, my father is strong and straight and focused. And the lord answered that 13-year-old's prayer.
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PHILLIPS: A love story for the ages. Well, I had the honor to talk with Billy Graham earlier today. And I mentioned something that his daughter Ruth said to me, that you can't understand joy until you go through pain. So, I asked Reverend Graham about the most painful moment in his life.
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B. GRAHAM: I thought I was dying one night. And I knew I was dying.
And I asked the lord to be sure that I was ready to meet him. And all of my sins that I'd ever committed came in front of my mind, back to my childhood. And then I said, lord, forgive me. And I knew that when Christ died on the cross, he took my sins. And the Bible says his blood cleanseth us from all sin.
And those thoughts came to me. And I had a peace come over me that I have never lost. I still have it, absolutely peace and absolute certainty of my own immortality with him.
PHILLIPS: You have no unfinished business?
B. GRAHAM: No unfinished business. I think I've got my bills paid and...
(LAUGHTER) PHILLIPS: Hallelujah to that.
B. GRAHAM: The only unfinished business would be to hug my children, kiss my wife again.
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PHILLIPS: And join Soledad O'Brien tomorrow on "AMERICAN MORNING" at 7:00 Eastern for her interview with Billy Graham. And then join me this weekend for our "PEOPLE IN THE NEWS" special on Billy Graham Saturday at 5:00 p.m. Eastern and again on Sunday at 7:00 p.m.
Still ahead, two things that don't always go together, Hollywood and religion. The Tom Cruise/Katie Holmes romance is shining a spotlight on the Church of Scientology. We'll look at what Scientologists believe and how they've changed some people's lives.
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PHILLIPS: An update on a story that we broke here first and have followed closely on PAULA ZAHN NOW. It involves allegations of religious intolerance at the U.S. Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs.
Critics have accused some evangelical Christians that they're harassing those who don't share their faith. One Jewish cadet told us he was the target of anti-Semitic slurs. And a Christian chaplain complained that cadets were under pressure to join prayer services.
The Pentagon ordered the Air Force to investigate. And today, it released a report which says there is -- quote -- "a perception of religious intolerance among some at the academy, but there is no overt discrimination." It also noted seven cases of questionable behavior that could result in discipline.
Of course, we'll keep following that story.
But now let's go to Sophia Choi at Headline News for the rest of the stories.
Hi, Sophia.
SOPHIA CHOI, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi there, Kyra.
A raging wildfire is burning in California. People in the resort town of Morongo Valley, near Palm Springs, fled their homes after several buildings there burst into flames. It is dry and very hot, with temperatures reaching over 100 degrees this week.
On the CNN "Security Watch," Iraq has become the new training ground for terrorists who may take what they've learned to other countries, including the United States. That's the trust of a classified CIA report. It also says that Iraqi and foreign fighters are getting better at coordinated attacks, assassinations and car bombings House Republics today introduced a scaled-down version of Social Security reform. It would put surplus money into private accounts and Treasury bonds, but not stocks. They call it a first step. But Democrats call it a gimmick that will weaken Social Security
And for the sixth time in 10 years, the House passed a constitutional ban on flag burning, a way to get around a Supreme Court ruling that flag desecration is a form of free speech. Now it goes to the Senate. Supporters hope the larger GOP majority there will help it pass.
And seeing is believing. And what you are seeing here is a foot of hail that fell from the skies above Colorado Springs. The storm was blamed for one death and dozens of people were treated for hypothermia.
And those are the headlines -- Kyra.
PHILLIPS: All right, thanks, Sophia. We'll check back a little later in the hour.
But coming up next, Hollywood's newest super couple and, believe it or not, religion.
Also, in our CNN "Security Watch," preparing for a day New Yorkers hope will never come, but that many fear is inevitable.
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PHILLIPS: This month, we're celebrating CNN's 25th anniversary by catching up with some of the people who've made headlines over the past quarter-century. In the sports pages, there were few names bigger than Cal Ripken, Jr.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Number eight -- Cal Ripken, Jr.
PHILLIPS: He's baseball's Ironman. A player's player who's work ethic and energy made him a fan perennial fan favorite.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We love you!
PHILLIPS: Cal Ripken, Jr, was born into a baseball family and stayed true to the family business throughout his 20-year career with the Baltimore Orioles. Ripken was a great player; earning league MVP honors. But he is best known for the streak. Ripken played 2,632 consecutive Major League Baseball games, breaking Lou Gehrig's record. The streak ended in 1998 and Ripken retired from baseball three years later.
CAL RIPKEN, PROFESSIONAL BASEBALL PLAYER: It's been a great run, fabulous career.
PHILLIPS: Now 44, Ripken lives in Maryland with his wife, Kelly, and two children. Baseball's Ironman and his brother Billy, have a baseball talk show on XM satellite radio.
RIPKEN: I really enjoy actually promoting and talking about the game and really trying to push that and get few more back-stops built up around the country as well.
PHILLIPS: Ripken also owns a minor league team: The Aberdeen Ironbirds. And he's established the Cal Ripken, Sr. Foundation, providing baseball programs to under-privileged kids.
RIPKEN: If I am remembered, I hope it's because by living my dream, I was able to make a difference.
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PHILLIPS: Now to someone who's also had a long career, if not long marriages, actor Tom Cruise, who's decided to drop his complaint against the phony reporter who squirted him with water at an appearance in London, on Sunday. Cruise was there to promote his new movie "War of the Worlds." Pranks and movies aside though, Cruise has been making news lately with his engagement to Katie Holmes and his controversial religious beliefs.
Jason Carroll reports.
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JASON CARROLL, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): While Tom Cruise appeared at a press conference today to plug his new film, "War of the Worlds," it was his new love, actress Katie Holmes and the religion they now share, Scientology, that interest many of the reporters.
TOM CRUISE, ACTOR: There's things in my life, and Scientology, and tools that I've spoken of before, that I apply to my life that help me, you know, to overcome barriers and problems, and that has been extraordinary in my life.
CARROLL: Holmes, a Catholic, has talked about her interest in Scientology telling "People" magazine, "I know how important it is to Tom, and I want to be able to share that with him."
But how? Does Scientology have rules of courtship? Public displays of affection appear to be OK. What about guidelines of conversion?
Scientologist are typically reluctant to talk to the media, but the New York center gave me a two-hour tour of their facility and agreed to answer our questions via e-mail.
On the subject of Dating, Ed Parkins, Scientology's vice president of cultural affairs, says there are no rules: "The church does not try to regulate personal lives. We provide a path by which people can become more honest."
And that path is through conversion. Rick Ross studies new religions like Scientology.
RICK ROSS, RELIGION EXPERT: I think Tom Cruise has Katie Holmes on the fast track of indoctrination and absorption into Scientology.
CARROLL: If Holmes converts, one of the first things she'll go through is what the church calls: A purification rundown.
It takes place on one of the upper floors here at the New York center. A person, or, phaeton (ph), as they're called Scientology, exercises, sits in a sauna and takes vitamins to clear the body of toxins. Parkins says "By ridding the body of these toxins, an individual can experience spiritual relief."
Katie Holmes could also seek spiritual relief through auditing sessions. Church auditors use a device called an e-meter, seen here in Scientology literature, to sort through negative parts of a person's past.
ROSS: So, really what the e-meter does is it measures your nervous tension and it enables the auditor to dig deeper into the things that are bothering you.
CARROLL: Information from auditing sessions goes into a confidential personal file kept by the church. Since they began dating, Cruise and Holmes have been spotted with this woman on several occasions. She's Jessica Rodriguez, a ranking member of the church. In our e-mail interview, Harkin would not say if she's Holmes' auditor, saying, "Jessica Rodriguez was invited along on the tour by Ms. Holmes as a friend."
SHARON WAXMAN, "NEW YORK TIMES": They are surrounded by Scientology people a lot. This is not a very small part of their personal lives. It's something that involves their professional decisions, their career decisions.
CARROLL: Tom Cruise makes no secret of his support for Scientology. The studio allowed Cruise to have an information tent on the set of "War of the Worlds." Recently, Cruise fired his long-time publicist, replacing her with his sister, also a Scientologist.
The tabloids claim Holmes is cutting off ties to her old friends. But she is ignoring her critics. Publicly, the couple appears happy, too happy for cynics.
OPRAH WINFREY, TV PERSONALITY: Have you ever felt this way before?
CARROLL: They say Cruise's over-the-top proclamation about his new love on "Oprah," looked more like a publicity stunt. After all, critics say both actors are out promoting new films.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you stunned or puzzled by criticism that love and religion might have distracted from the movie and your exuberance?
CRUISE; No.
I just don't pay attention to it. I do my work. I live my life and, you know, it's, you know, it's never effected anything before. It doesn't matter, you know? It's: What do I do? I make my movies and I live my life in the best way that I feel that I can.
And you know, I can't control what people are going to say or do. They're going to say and do what they want and the thing is, that's not ever going to change how I live my life.
CARROLL: Scientologist are firm believers in past lives and reincarnation. For now, it seems, in this life Cruise and Holmes are inseparable in both body and in spirit.
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PHILLIPS: And that was Jason Carroll reporting
When we come back, New York prepares to deal with a new nightmare of terrorism.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Our goal is to prevent panic by showing people we that we have a process.
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PHILLIPS: Next in our CNN "Security Watch:" Lessons that every city needs to learn.
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PHILLIPS: On the CNN "Security Watch" tonight, according to a congressional study, there's a 70 percent chance of an attack with weapons of mass destruction somewhere in the world over the next ten years. That including nuclear, chemical, radiological and biological weapons. Here in New York, emergency planners just recently staged a major test of a bio-terror defense system, designed to get medicine to 8 million people in 48 hours. Here's Deborah Feyerick.
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DEBORAH FEYERICK, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It borders on obsession.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Keep it tight. Keep everybody really tight.
FEYERICK: Getting New York City ready for a biological attack that may or may not come.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So be alert, OK?
FEYERICK: Trying to predict the unpredictable. When it might happen, when, and where and how many people might die. That's why this drill is so important. It's why hundreds of people like Dr. Stephanie Factor have spent years working out every detail, especially since the anthrax attacks of four years ago.
DR. STEPHANIE FACTOR, NYC DEPT. OF HEALTH: We never know what something like that might happen again. And so it's incredibly important that we prepare ourselves, our staff, the public.
FEYERICK: New York City officials have learned a lot in the process.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is Commissioner Bruno, we are going to begin play.
FEYERICK: Joseph Bruno runs the city's office of emergency management. In a time of crisis, this command center would operate nonstop.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I need somebody to enter the requested...
FEYERICK: Assessing the danger.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you want the (INAUDIBLE) and then I'll do a follow up.
FEYERICK: Coordinating the response. The 80 federal, state and city agencies each have a clear role.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What's the impact of population?
FEYERICK: From firefighters to police to the medical examiner: getting information then giving it out to field operations, like the one being run by Dr. Factor and her team in this exercise -- a high school in Queens.
FACTOR: In the Flushing Meadow Park, there was a concert by invitation only. Special bio-terrorism devices were deployed. And unfortunately on Tuesday, one of them red positive for anthrax.
FEYERICK: In the scenario, terrorists have released a biological agent.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And we to profalacts (ph) 8 million people in 48 hours.
FEYERICK: Ed Gabriel heads emergency planning for New York City.
ED GABRIEL, NYC EMERGENCY PLANNING: It is very much like an amusement park trying to move people quickly and move people through quickly. The goal here is speed, because in the worst circumstances, we want to move 1,000 people an hour through this.
FEYERICK: The plan is simple yet massive. One that is a model for the rest of the country. Basic Supplies are taken to some 200 locations across the city. Officials call these neighborhood spots PODs, or points of dispensing.
Next, the medicine arrives, shipped from the nation's secret stockpiles within 12 hours of an attack. Finally, the crowds, myself included.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Anybody has their hand up.
FEYERICK: I'm questioned.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are you allergic to (INAUDIBLE) tetracycline or any other (INAUDIBLE).
FEYERICK: No.
(on camera): Where's dispensing.
(voice-over): Then given antibiotics.
(on camera): Take this now?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stand outside the door.
FEYERICK: OK. Thank you. The PODs are not intended for people already sick and for people who may have been exposed.
(on camera): It seems to be the one element missing is panic. Nobody is panicked yet.
GABRIEL: Our goal is to prevent panic to show people we have a process that will move. And this process will in fact move. And the information we do for them, we will provide to them, will be useful, keep them from panicking.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And we are recommending that you stop Pro Benefit temporarily.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.
FEYERICK: Then Ed Gabriel coming up with a plan to test the system. He asks me to pretend I'm sick.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is this part of the...
FEYERICK (on camera): I'm just not feeling well.
(voice-over): The person taking my information is confused. But Dr. Stephanie Factor steps in, directing the troops once again.
As a victim showing symptoms, I'm taken outside the POD to receive more intensive care.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you call 911?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
FEYERICK: Gabriel evaluates the response saying it was correct. Then, after 48 hours...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: All controllers, all controllers be advised -- play has ceased.
FEYERICK: The drill ends, all done.
FACTOR: Thank you all so much! FEYERICK: At least, for the time being.
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PHILLIPS: And that was Deborah Feyerick.
Well, officials say they have met their goal moving 1,000 people an hour over a two hour period during that drill. One thing they say they learned from the experience is that workers need to do a better job of screening for panic when it happens. They want to bring in mental health professionals to take care of victims and emergency workers suffering from anxiety.
Well, no matter what challenge New Yorkers might have to face, they'll will have no shortage of snappy come backs.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm walking here. I'm walking here.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You talking to me? You talking to me?
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PHILLIPS: They are movie lines we all know. Coming up, the people that put them all in one place.
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PHILLIPS: Coming up, Jeanne Moos goes down the list of the top movie lines of all time, but, first, it's time for another look at the top stories. Here's Sophia Choi at HEADLINE NEWS.
CHOI: Thanks, Kyra.
Several cities in Iraq were rocked by a devastating series of car bombs today, some of them set off by remote control. Bombs in Kirkuk and in Baghdad killed at least 18 and wounded scores of others. Three of the bombs exploded in a Shiite neighborhood in Baghdad. Other target included a U.S. military convoy and an Iraqi government motorcade.
In Brussels, Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice defended her positive view of the U.S. mission in Iraq. She said she wonders where we'd be now if they had given up in the darkest days of World War II.
President Bush says it's time to build more nuclear power plants, part of his push for a new energy bill before Congress takes an August vacation. He says, don't hope for lower gas prices any time soon, but the country needs to reduce dependence on foreign energy.
EADS, a European company that makes AirBus passenger planes is Alabama-bound. The company is planning a $600 million assembly plant in Mobile. EADS is the biggest defense contractor in Europe and wants to get a share of building aircrafts for the American military. A U.S. plant might improve the chances, and those are the headlines. Kyra?
PHILLIPS: All right, thanks, Sophia.
Well, Larry King's coming up at 9:00, of course. Larry, who's joining you tonight?
LARRY KING, HOST "LARRY KING LIVE": Kyra, we've got a great show. Priscilla Presley returns. This time, she'll talk fully about life and times with Elvis. She's a new book out, "Elvis by the Presleys: Intimate Stories from Priscilla, Lisa Marie, and other family members."
A look back at cousin Elvis Presley, who, by the way, had he lived, Kyra, would be 70 years old.
PHILLIPS: Unbelievable. Do you know I saved the original "L.A. Times" from when Elvis Presley passed away? I came across it the other day.
KING: How old were you, nine, 10?
PHILLIPS: Shh, now, not that young. I was a little older. Thanks, Larry. We'll see you a few minutes.
KING: Thanks, Kyra.
PHILLIPS: All right.
So, who is the "Person of the Day?" Forrest Nunley, the volunteer who found the missing boy in Utah? Microchip inventor Jack Kilby, or Mississippi reporter Jerry Mitchell? And the winner, with 79 percent? Forrest Nunley.
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(voice-over): Forrest Nunley says he's no hero.
FORREST NUNLEY, FOUND BRENNAN HAWKINS: Amazing. A miracle. Kid had -- was supposed to be found. Wasn't me, it was the fact that he was supposed to be found.
PHILLIPS: Nunley is a 43-year-old house painter from Salt Lake City. He took yesterday off, loaded up his all-terrain vehicle, and headed into the mountains to help with the search.
NUNLEY: I went up there, to Lily Lake, parked, two hours later, there he was, standing in the road, little teeny child. Right as -- going up, just looked up, round the corner, and there he was.
PHILLIPS: Nunley says some searchers had just gone by on horseback, but the boy was too scared to call out to them.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What was the first thing that you said to him when you saw him?
NUNLEY: I asked his name, because I really couldn't remember his name exactly, you know, Brandon, Brendan, whatever. I asked him his name. He says, I'm Brennan. I though, this is him, you know, and I was just thinking, what am I going to do?
PHILLIPS: Nunley says he offered the boy a peanut butter-and- jelly sandwich and some water, then, he went to the top of the hill to call 911.
NUNLEY: Never, never shook so hard in my life. Couldn't even dial the phone. It's unbelievable. When I saw him standing there, I didn't know if it was really him, or a ghost, or it was his spirit. It was amazing. I just -- you know? Two hours. I was there two hours, today, is all. Just happened to be in the right place at the right time.
PHILLIPS: And for being at the right place at the right time, you've made Forrest Nunley the "Person of the Day." We'll be right back.
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PHILLIPS: All right, do me a favor, just for a second, and think of your favorite movie. You got it? All right, now think of your favorite line from that movie. Now, get ready for an argument over the top movie lines of all time. Our Jeanne Moos explains.
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JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: They are quotes that turn everyone into an actor.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm walking here! I'm walking here.
DUSTIN HOFFMAN, ACTOR: I'm walking here! I'm walking here!
ROBERT DENIRO, ACTOR: You talking to me?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are you talking to me?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You talking to me?
MOOS: Folks are talking about the top 100 movie quotes in the American Film Industry, ranked by industry professionals. We might as well get number one out of the way.
RHETT BUTLER, ACTOR: Frankly, my dear...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ...I don't give a damn. But nowadays, they would say another word.
MOOS: How many times have you mimicked quotes, like the one that came in seven?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm ready for my close-up.
GLORIA SWANSON, ACTRESS: I'm ready for my close-up.
CLINT EASTWOOD: Go ahead. Make my day.
MOOS: You know "make my day" would make the list, number six.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, yes, make my day.
MOOS: You gotta say it with feeling.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Make my day.
MOOS: He's a regular Humphrey Bogart, who, by the way, was the actor with the most quotes in the top 100, five.
HUMPHREY BOGART: Here's looking at you, kid.
MOOS: Those looking over the list delivered their favorites with gusto.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don't think you can handle the truth! Yes. That was a good one, right?
MOOS: You're good.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yeah!
MOOS: You're better than Jack.
JACK NICHOLSON, ACTOR: You can't handle the truth!
MOOS: The truth is, some favorites...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That was so bad Fetch!
MOOS: ...didn't even make the list.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That is so fetch.
MOOS: And from the film "Notorious"...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "You are protected by the enormity of your stupidity." That should -- is that in there?
MOOS: It's not.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It should be in there.
MOOS: It should be.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That should be, like, right up at the top.
MOOS: And down at the bottom...
LEONARDO DICAPRIO: I'm the king of the world!
MOOS: ...was number 100.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's too high. MOOS: Number 22 on the list...
SEAN CONNERY, ACTOR: Bond. James Bond.
MOOS: ...brings out the inner secret agent.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Bond. James bond.
MOOS: And "Scarface"...
AL PACINO, ACTOR: Say hello to my little friend!
MOOS: ...brings out the inner drug thug.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stay hello to my little friend.
MOOS: Meg Ryan's fake passion set up the quote that came in 33rd.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'll have what she's having.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's a great scene.
MOOS: Now, if you're a really good actor, you could do the orgasm part.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, I'm not going to do that.
MOOS: I've been trying to get...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I mean, I have the baby. Obviously, something must have happened.
MOOS: A few more of our favorites...
CUBA GOODING, JR., ACTOR: Show me the money!
TOM HANKS, ACTOR: Houston, we have a problem.
LAUREN BACALL, ACTRESS: You just put your lips together, and blow.
MOOS: Remember that?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, I remember that.
MOOS: Can I get you to do that one for me?
And finally, number 99.
MARGARET HAMILTON, ACTRESS: I'll get you, my pretty!
MOOS: This woman used to taunt her sister.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Every night, before she went to sleep, to scare her to death. I'll get you, my pretty, and your little dog, too! Ha, ha, ha!
MOOS: Which witch is better?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And let me tell you, my sister still hasn't recovered. Ha, ha, ha.
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PHILLIPS: We're all laughing. Here's looking at you, Jeanne Moos.
Well, that's all for tonight. Paula will be back tomorrow, and, by the way, she's not here tonight because she's accepting a Gracie Award from the group American Women in Radio and Television for her interview with Carmen bin Laden. Congratulations, Paula.
"LARRY KING LIVE" starts right now.
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