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Massachusetts Murder Suspect Arrested in England; President Bush Details al Qaeda Plot Against Los Angeles Building; Religion Out of Bounds For Political Cartoons?
Aired February 09, 2006 - 20:00 ET
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PAULA ZAHN, CNN ANCHOR: Good evening, everyone. Appreciate your being with us.
Tonight, an explosive new controversy over a terrorist attack that might have been.
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ZAHN (voice-over): On the CNN "Security Watch," target: L.A. -- frightening new details about a terrorist plot.
GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: ... a plan to have terrorist operatives hijack an airplane, using shoe bombs to breach the cockpit door, and fly the plane into the tallest building on the West Coast.
ZAHN: But why are we hearing about it four years later?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It make you wonder what -- what the motivation was.
ZAHN: "Outside the Law" -- a husband and father in custody and accused of murder.
MARTHA COAKLEY, MIDDLESEX, MASSACHUSETTS, DISTRICT ATTORNEY: Two charges of murder -- the murder of Rachel Entwistle and Lillian Entwistle.
ZAHN: Tonight, Neil Entwistle and the story behind the arrest.
And the "Eye Opener" -- when teenage love turns to abuse.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Our relationship was based on fear. I was taught to fear him.
ZAHN: You're going to be shocked at just how many young girls are battered by their boyfriends.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He flipped it over around my neck and crossed it, as to choke me.
ZAHN: Could your child be a victim? -- what every parent and every teen should know.
(END VIDEOTAPE) ZAHN: The searing images from 9/11 are still very fresh in all of our minds. And, today, we learned how al Qaeda was planning to do it again, this time using shoe bombs to hijack an airliner, then fly it into the tallest building in Los Angeles.
Those chilling details were made public by President Bush. But the question tonight is, why today? The plot was broken up four years ago.
Well, before we get on to the politics, justice correspondent Kelli Arena looks at exactly what kind of bullet L.A. dodged.
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KELLI ARENA, CNN JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): More than 2,000 people work in this building -- lawyers, architects, engineers. At 73 stories, it's the tallest building on the West Coast. The prominence of the U.S. Bank Tower and its distinctive shape make it stand out in the Los Angeles skyline, and made it attractive to al Qaeda terrorists.
This legal secretary works on the 40th floor.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: To be honest with you, after 9/11, I seriously thought about learning how to parasail out of a building. I know that sounds silly, but what else can you do? If we can't get off the floor -- I mean, look at the people who jumped. And that just horrifies me.
ARENA: In the days after being blindsided by the deadly attacks on New York's World Trade Center, U.S. intelligence got wind of a follow-on attack by a second wave of suicide terrorists.
Counterterrorism officials discovered that the original plan for 9/11 was to simultaneously hit both the East and West Coasts, but Osama bin Laden thought that idea was too ambitious. Instead, he told his chief of operations, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, to hit the East Coast first, then, take care of the West. Mohammed set a plot in motion just weeks after the September 11 tragedy.
BUSH: We now know that, in October 2001, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the mastermind of the September 11 attacks, had already set in motion a plan to have terrorist operatives hijack an airplane, using shoe bombs to breach the cockpit door, and fly the plane into the tallest building on the West Coast.
ARENA: Rather than use Arab hijackers, like the men who pulled off the September 11 attacks, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed looked for men from Southeast Asia, who wouldn't raise as much suspicion.
John McLaughlin was deputy director of the CIA at the time.
JOHN MCLAUGHLIN, CNN NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER: They were trying to change the profile. And they knew what we were looking for, and the idea, then, of using Southeast Asians to come in and do this, they thought, would probably throw us off, and make the plot harder to detect.
ARENA: Mohammed turned to an Indonesian named Riduan Isamuddin, known as Hambali, the leader of a Southeast Asian terrorist group connected to al Qaeda. They recruited four men for the attack on Los Angeles. The four had been training in Afghanistan. They met Osama bin Laden and swore an oath of loyalty to al Qaeda.
The terrorist cell headed back to Southeast Asia around November of 2001 to train with Khalid Shaikh Mohammed himself in building shoe bombs. They would be the same type of weapon convicted terrorist Richard Reid tried to use in December of 2001 on a Paris-to-Miami flight, before passengers took him down.
So, by early 2002, the White House says there was a terrorist cell in place, a method of attack, and a target. But, in February, the cell leader was arrested, and the other members of the cell abandoned the plot. Since then, all four of them have been arrested.
MCLAUGHLIN: Looking back at all of that, my sense is that the cell leader who was arrested provided some clues, but not all of the information.
ARENA: Details of the plot came into sharp focus when al Qaeda's operations chief, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, was captured in Pakistan in March of 2003. Under interrogation, he revealed details of the West Coast plot, as well as several others. In Los Angeles, evacuation drills were implemented at high-rise buildings in the downtown area, and security at the U.S. Bank Tower was tightened.
Still, counterterrorism officials say, once an al Qaeda target, always an al Qaeda target.
Kelli Arena, CNN, Washington.
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ZAHN: So, should the president have told us all of these details years ago? Is it just coincidence that today's speech comes at the same time he's taking heat over his domestic spying program?
Well, his spokesman says no connection. But is anyone buying that tonight?
Let's bring in White House correspondent Dana Bash.
Hi, Dana.
DANA BASH, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Well, you know, it is politics 101, whether you're a Democrat or a Republican, that, if you want to get your message across, you to repeat it over and over, and perhaps find new ways of getting people's attention. Well, that's exactly what we saw the president do today.
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BASH (voice-over): The tallest tower in Los Angeles is now exhibit-A in a Bush effort to illustrate their constant refrain: It is no accident there has not been an attack on the U.S. since 9/11.
BUSH: They met with Osama bin Laden, and, then, began preparations for the West Coast attack.
BASH: The White House actually confirmed this alleged plot in general terms four months ago. But the president's vivid description and newly declassified details are all part of an ongoing strategy to justify controversial tactics in fighting terror.
BUSH: We face a relentless and determined enemy that operates in many nations.
BASH: Bush official officials refused to say whether the domestic surveillance program helped their investigation, and emphatically denied this speech has anything to do with the controversy over secret spying. So, why reveal details now? The White House says it wanted to highlight successful cooperation from allies and the need for instantaneous information-gathering and sharing.
That's the same argument Bush officials make to support the controversial surveillance program. So is this:
BUSH: We cannot let the fact that America hasn't been attacked in four-and-a-half years since September 11 lull us into an illusion that the threats to our nation have disappeared.
BASH: The ranking Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee dismissed the president's move.
SEN. JAY ROCKEFELLER (D), WEST VIRGINIA: I just -- I didn't -- I didn't find it very helpful -- that's all -- from a professional point of view.
BASH: Other Democrats suggest, Mr. Bush is using new details and fresh talk of the threat to raise his political standing and win public support for strong presidential powers.
P.J. CROWLEY, DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL DEFENSE AND HOMELAND SECURITY, CENTER FOR AMERICAN PROGRESS: It is their playbook. You know, whenever -- whenever they feel -- they sense they're losing control, they go back to the were on terror. And, clearly, they have made a conscious decision today to talk about the past, not about the present.
BASH: The Democratic mayor of Los Angeles also publicly questioned the timing of the president's announcement. And, on a day when the White House talked up information-sharing, the mayor wondered this.
ANTONIO VILLARAIGOSA, MAYOR OF LOS ANGELES: I would have expected a -- a direct call from the White House.
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BASH: Now, he might not have gotten a direct call from the White House, but the Department of Homeland Security says that they did notify L.A. officials that the president was going to bring up the thwarted terror plot today.
The mayor was on CNN earlier tonight, and he said that that is true, but he still didn't know all of the details until he saw it on CNN.
ZAHN: So, Dana, can you help me with something here? So, on one hand, the administration has been out fiercely defending this domestic surveillance program for the better part of 50 days now, and, yet, it wouldn't confirm today whether this very program helped thwart this Los Angeles attack. Why? What are they afraid of?
BASH: That's correct.
They say, simply, Paula, that this information -- that the program, the National Security Agency surveillance program, is so sensitive, that they simply will not give up that information. That is a question that we have been asking here all day long, especially since the vice president has said many times that he knows for sure that plots were thwarted because of that program.
But they won't say whether that's one of them, because of the sensitivity of it.
ZAHN: Well, I have a feeling you are going to continue to ask those questions. We will be looking for the answers.
Dana Bash, thanks so much.
BASH: Thank you.
ZAHN: Now, the man who didn't go to his wife and baby daughter's funeral after they were shot to death actually ended up going to jail today. Why do police think Neil Entwistle killed his family? Details of today's big break in the case -- coming up next.
We also have some political cartoons that will shock you. Why isn't anyone rioting over these? Should all cartoons about religion be off-limits?
And you don't have to be married to be trapped in an abusive relationship. You're going to be shocked how many teenage girls are affected by this. And we have some absolutely startling numbers to try to absorb.
First, though, more than 20 million of you logged on to our Web site today. So, here's our countdown of the top 10 most popular stories on CNN.com.
At number 10, a housekeeper for such stars as Robert De Niro and Candice Bergen pleads guilty to stealing valuables from her high- profile clients.
Ringing in at number nine, Randy McCloy, the only survivor of the Sago Mine explosion, is now able to say a few words. McCloy has been hospitalized ever since last month's tragedy.
Stay with us -- numbers seven and eight minutes away.
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ZAHN: There has been a big break in a murder mystery that everybody has been talking about for weeks now.
Well, tonight, Neil Entwistle is in a British jail, charged with murdering his wife and his baby daughter near Boston three weeks ago. British police arrested Entwistle this afternoon at a London subway stop. This is him as he was taken into a British court today, where he heard the charges against him, and did not consent to be extradited back to the United States.
Now, with the arrest, we're finally getting some possible answers to a mystery that has absorbed many of us for many weeks now.
Jason Carroll has been working the story and has some new details you are not going to see anywhere else in tonight's "Outside the Law."
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JASON CARROLL, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): From the outside, the family who lived in this suburban Boston home seemed perfectly normal. In the pictures posted on their Web site, the Entwistles appeared to be happy and smiling. But prosecutors say, Neil Entwistle was hiding a desperate secret, even from his own wife and friends.
We now know, Entwistle was struggling financially, so much so, prosecutors allege, it drove him to get a gun.
MARTHA COAKLEY, MIDDLESEX, MASSACHUSETTS, DISTRICT ATTORNEY: Neil Entwistle, with a firearm that we believe he had secured at some time before that, from his father-in-law, Joseph Matterazzo, shot Rachel Entwistle in the head, and, then, proceeded to shoot baby Lillian, who was lying on the bed next to her mother.
We believe, possibly, that this was intended to be a murder/suicide, but we cannot confirm that.
CARROLL: Prosecutors say, Rachel Entwistle spoke to her mother on Thursday, January 19. That was the last time anyone from her family heard from her.
Detectives have now revealed they believe Entwistle committed the murders the next morning, Friday, January 20.
(on camera): Prosecutors have provided yet another detail. They say, after the murders, Entwistle took the .22-caliber gun that he had taken from Rachel's stepfather's gun collection. And, then, they say, that same afternoon of the murders, he then took the gun back to Rachel's stepfather's home, in Carver, just about an hour from here.
(voice-over): Police say it was a .22-caliber pistol, like this one, and that Entwistle put it back in its gun case. They say Rachel's stepfather was unaware it was ever missing.
They say Entwistle knew where the key to the gun case was hidden and previously had used the gun for target practice. On Saturday, January 21, around 5:00 a.m., police say Neil Entwistle bought a one- way ticket to London and boarded an 8:15 British Airways flight from Boston's Logan Airport.
He has been in seclusion until today, spending most of his time at his parents' home, 150 miles north of London. Rachel's family still cannot understand why he allegedly would kill his wife and daughter.
JOE FLAHERTY, RACHEL ENTWISTLE FAMILY SPOKESMAN: Rachel and Lilly loved Neil very much. Neil was a trusted husband and father. And it is incomprehensible how that love and trust betrayed -- was betrayed in the ultimate act of violence.
CARROLL: Police theorize, Entwistle committed the murders because he was out of work and sinking deeply into debt, due to his failed Internet businesses.
COAKLEY: He had no money and really had no assets, and, because his business was failing, may not -- may not have had any possibility -- or at least any apparent ability -- to provide income for himself and his family.
CARROLL: Investigators believe they have built a solid case, including evidence gathered this week. Authorities say, only two days ago, they received test results from the murder weapon linking Entwistle to the crime.
Prosecutors say, the fact that family and police twice failed to spot the bodies in the bedroom after the murders were committed should not hurt their case.
COAKLEY: And it was not a bloody crime scene. They were under covers. And, if you could have seen those, they were all bunched up. It was -- it would be very easy to miss them.
CARROLL: Entwistle's British attorney plans to fight extradition. So, it could be some time before he's brought here from England to appear in a U.S. court on charges he murdered his wife and baby.
Jason Carroll, CNN, Cambridge, Massachusetts.
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ZAHN: Entwistle will be back in court in Britain tomorrow for a bail hearing. If he decides to fight extradition, as Jason just explained, all the way through the British courts, it could be anywhere from nine months to a year before there is even a ruling.
Moving on now, when it comes to political cartoons, or freedom of the press, should religion be off-limits? Take a look at these. Do they offend you? Who is printing them? And why aren't they causing riots?
And hasn't Britney Spears ever heard of a baby seat for her car? What the heck was she thinking?
Now number eight on our CNN.com countdown, a fiery collision in the sky over a neighborhood just east of San Diego -- three people died when two small planes flew into each other.
And, at number seven, late-night host Conan O'Brien, who looks an awful lot like the president of Finland, will finally get his chance to meet her when he visits that country next week.
Keep it right here, at numbers five at six.
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JILL CARROLL, HOSTAGE IN IRAQ: I'm here. I'm fine. Please, just do whatever they want. Give them whatever they want as quickly as possible. There is very short time. Please, do it fast.
That's all.
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ZAHN: You have just been listening to American hostage Jill Carroll in a new insurgent videotape that aired today on a Kuwaiti television station.
She was kidnapped in Iraq a month ago, and her captors have demanded the release of all female prisoners held by the U.S. in Iraq. It is not clear tonight exactly when that message was taped.
Now, tonight, for the first time in days, in the Islamic world, there are no major demonstrations to report over the cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed. The cartoons were first published in a Danish newspaper and then reprinted in other European publications.
They have led to outrage all over the Islamic world, violent protests, burned embassies, and even several deaths. And one Iranian newspaper is responding by staging a contest for the best Holocaust cartoon.
But, as John Vause reports, Jews in Israel have long been subjected to anti-Semitic cartoons in Arab papers for years and years, often under the guise of freedom of the press, without ever sparking violent protests.
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JOHN VAUSE, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice over): Is this cartoon offensive? Does this one attack a religion? Could this be considered malicious?
For Israelis and Jews, the answer is almost certainly yes. But, for years, Arabic and Islamic newspapers, many government-owned and run, have rarely held back when it comes to cartoons that are blatantly anti-Semitic, despite official protests from the Israeli government.
DORE GOLD, JERUSALEM CENTER FOR PUBLIC AFFAIRS: The usual response of various Arab governments has been, well, we don't control them. They will, in fact, use Western concepts like freedom of the press. But we know very well that these are official newspapers, whose editors are appointed by presidents or kings in various Arab governments.
VAUSE: Amr Okasha has drawn many cartoons for one of Egypt's biggest-selling newspapers. He has no problem depicting Jews, especially Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, with the worst anti-Semitic stereotypes, ugly, bloodthirsty killers, with hooked noses and curls.
"I can draw Sharon and say that he's a killer," he explains. "But I would not draw his prophet, and say that his prophet is a killer."
Many of the Arab and Islamic cartoons are similar to those drawn by the Nazis. Robert Rozett, an historian with Jerusalem's Holocaust Memorial, says that's more than coincidence.
ROBERT ROZETT, YAD VASHEM LIBRARY DIRECTOR, JERUSALEM'S HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL: Well, it can't but bring up the associations of the Nazi period. And, since the Nazi period is the bleakest period in Jewish history, in which six million Jews were murdered by this horrible machine that was set up, it brings all of those associations with it.
VAUSE: But Islamic leaders say, mocking the Prophet Mohammed is the ultimate insult to Muslims everywhere, and cannot be compared to what they call political cartoons attacking Israel.
"If those cartoons deal with the Israeli occupation, then they're not anti-Semitic. We're against the Israeli occupation," he told me, "not Semitic people."
(on camera): For years, Israeli and Jewish groups have tried to bring the world's attention to the anti-Semitic cartoons and statements in the Arabic and Islamic media. Right now, though, the Israeli government is steering clear of this controversy, only saying, it highlights the need to show respect for all religions and people of all faiths.
John Vause, CNN, Jerusalem.
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ZAHN: I think one of the things we all understand is that political cartoons are supposed to have some bite. That's why they're on the editorial page and not in the funny pages. But they rarely cause this level of anger or this kind of fear.
Here is Jeanne Moos.
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JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): These are not the offending cartoons. These are cartoons about the offending cartoons. Take the one about a cartoonist who gets a message: "We resent your inaccurate depiction of Mohammed as a murdering terrorist, so, we're sending over some terrorists to murder you."
Even when the late-night comedians make jokes about this subject, one thing they joke about is no joke.
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STEPHEN COLBERT, HOST, "THE COLBERT REPORT" I chose not to show the offending cartoons out of an ethical concern that I would be killed.
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DAVID LETTERMAN, HOST, "THE LATE SHOW WITH DAVID LETTERMAN": I have decided to stop drawing Muslim cartoons. It's just not fun anymore.
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MOOS: But cartoonists haven't stopped drawing. Mike Luckovich showed East and West arguing. "Sword mightier." "Pen is."
MIKE LUCKOVICH, EDITORIAL CARTOONIST, "THE ATLANTA JOURNAL CONSTITUTION": You have in the back of your mind, well, geez, you know, what if people object to this cartoon, and -- and they're carrying sabers?
MOOS: This cartoonist loses his head while protesting, "Yes, but it's Muhammad Ali."
(on camera): Since CNN and many others aren't showing cartoons that depict the Mohammed, we won't show you all of the cartoons drawn by Daryl Cagle.
DARYL CAGLE, FOUNDER, CAGLE CARTOONS: I drew a figure of a kid who drew a stick figure, and he wrote the word Mohammed with an arrow pointing at it, and a guy who would seem to be a Muslim says, "Thank you for the drawing, Billy, but now I have to kill you."
MOOS (voice-over): Cagle, who has cartoons into books, and runs a syndicate of cartoonists, says, even cartoons about the offending cartoons have provoked reaction.
CAGLE: Some of our cartoonists are getting phone calls and e- mail threats.
MOOS: Exactly the theme "The Daily Show" picked up on. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP, "THE DAILY SHOW WITH JON STEWART")
JON STEWART, HOST, "THE DAILY SHOW": What are your thoughts on the violence, Ed?
ED HELMS, "THE DAILY SHOW": None. No thoughts, only profound respect for a great religion.
(LAUGHTER)
STEWART: Where are you, Ed?
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MOOS: Right before our eyes, cartoonist Mike Luckovich whipped up this cartoon.
LUCKOVICH: This is the cartoonist's nightmare.
MOOS: It shows a cartoonist being introduced to a Muslim: "Meet your new editor."
But we wouldn't blame a cartoonist for not wanting to touch this subject with a 10-foot pencil.
Jeanne Moos, CNN, New York.
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ZAHN: And I think we need to explain that CNN isn't showing the Mohammed cartoons, like a lot of networks, because this network believes its rule is to cover the events surrounding their publication, while not, unnecessarily, adding fuel to the controversy itself.
Coming up, a devastating form of a abuse is a lot more common than you might think. How many teenage girls are trapped with abusive boyfriends? Could the same thing be happening to your daughter?
And we were all wondering, when we saw this, what was she thinking? Doesn't Britney Spears know that it is against the law in her state to drive an infant around without a car seat?
Well, now, on to number six on our CNN.com countdown -- our lead story, the president's announcement of new details about an al Qaeda plot to strike an L.A. skyscraper -- that going back some four years.
And on to number five -- former FEMA head Michael Brown says he will tell all about his discussions with the White House during Katrina, unless the president forbids it.
If you want to take a guess at what number four is, can't wait a couple minutes for me to show you, take a crack at it. You will find out next.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK) ZAHN: So if you have a teenager at home, our next story my shock you. Listen to this statistic from a recent study. That 57 percent of teenagers say they know girls who have been abused by their boyfriends. That's an astonishing number to think about. Now, actually, meet three young women who say they were victims. Here is Deborah Feyerick with tonight's "Eye Opener."
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was the most important person in the world to him.
DEBORAH FEYERICK, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): They were young.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He would constantly call me. We would be talking for like hours on the phone.
FEYERICK: And very much in love.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He just made me feel at ease and I thought this was the kind of person I would want to be with.
FEYERICK: Three friends all attending the same high school, the same clubs, the same dances, and all with the same secret, their promising young love had taken a dark turn.
(on camera): When did things start to go bad?
CARRIE SPEISER, SAYS BOYFRIEND ABUSED HER: I would say by six months it was evident that there were warning signs of abusive behavior.
FEYERICK: Like what?
SPEISER: Like, for example, controlling what I wore, who I spoke to, what I was doing.
FEYERICK: There was always a reason. One that seemed to make sense.
SHAINA WEISBROT, SAYS BOYFRIEND ABUSED HER: He made me believe that the reason he told me what to wear is because he loved me so much. He was just so jealous and it was all out of love and he didn't want me to talk to those people because he just loved me so much and he wanted to take care of me. And this was the reason, so I didn't know any better.
FEYERICK: But then the control turned to manipulation.
KATIE FALCO, SAID BOYFRIEND ABUSED HER: He wished I would die and didn't care if I killed myself because I was worthless.
FEYERICK: For Katie Falco, there was name-calling and insults.
FALCO: No matter what it was, no matter how big or small, it was always my fault. For Carrie Speiser, the manipulation, she says, turned into outright abuse when her boyfriend tried choking her with a T-shirt.
SPEISER: He flipped it over around my neck and crossed it as to choke me. And that was one of the worst times.
FEYERICK: So it was not the only time is what you're saying.
SPEISER: Right.
FEYERICK: As the relationship spiraled out of control, Carrie says like the others, she became more withdrawn, no longer caring about the way she looked and barely speaking with her family. Her mom saw her slipping away yet felt powerless to stop it.
LORA SPEISER, CARRIE'S MOTHER: Carrie at the time was getting straight A's. So she was doing her homework every day and she was academically performing exceedingly well. So it was difficult -- there was no hook there. I couldn't say, "Well, I'm blaming your bad grades on the boyfriend." I mean, she had excellent grades.
FEYERICK: The girls are good at hiding the abuse, experts say. One study showing 66 percent of girls never breathe a word in large part because they cut themselves off from almost everyone.
FALCO: For me to understand that it was unhealthy and it was abusive, took a very long time because I believed every word that he said.
FEYERICK: Why were you scared?
WEISBROT: Our relationship was based on fear. I was taught to fear him.
SUSAN SCHANKLER, SHAINA'S MOTHER: I would have done anything to make this relationship go away, anything.
FEYERICK: Even Shaina Weisbrot's mom, a social worker, could do nothing to reach her daughter.
SCHANKLER: Nothing that I said she heard. We couldn't have a conversation at that point.
FEYERICK: Chinonye Chukunta was not abused, but saw what it did to her best friend Shaina. Rather than walk way, she stuck by her.
CHINONYE CHUKUNTA, FRIEND: One of the things that you always want to do is try and prove you love them more than the abuser does.
FEYERICK: A critic might say, come on, you guys, these are teenage boys, you know, they don't know what they're doing.
SPEISER: If somebody is going punch the wall next to you while you're standing there, doesn't matter who it is, you're going to get scared.
FEYERICK: So why didn't they walk away?
FALCO: I wanted him to get better. I wanted to be the one he could depend on. I wanted him to turn around and say "I love you and you made me who I am today."
FEYERICK: You were trying to save him.
FALCO: In a sense, yes.
FEYERICK: For three years, Katie hid her verbally abusive boyfriend from her mom, who says she is not surprised by her daughter's choice.
CAROL FALCO, KATIE'S MOTHER: I raised my daughter to have a good heart and because of that, I feel that's what made her more vulnerable and more susceptible to someone she didn't understand that people really were trying to hurt her.
FEYERICK: One day the girls were together in study hall when they finally admitted to each other just how bad they felt their boyfriends were treating them and that's when they found the strength to get out.
SPEISER: I'm changing these things around.
FEYERICK: The four friends formed a group called Tear, shorts for teens experiencing abusive relationships. Two years ago they won a prestigious award from the state.
SPEISER: Tear displays exactly what a victim feels, like the tears they shed, going through it.
FEYERICK: Now in college, they still travel around to high schools talking to girls about dating and abuse. Creating the group helped them and they hope it will help others.
(on camera): Knowing what you know now about abuse, how many of you 100 percent sure in your heart that you will never get into that kind of relationship again? You're all sure. So you know enough that you would pull back if you saw it going down that path?
SPEISER: I know enough that we would pull each other back if we saw something going on without a doubt.
FEYERICK: So when one of you says, look, but I love him, what you to answer, Carrie?
SPEISER: We love you, we love you more.
FEYERICK: Deborah Feyerick, CNN, East Brunswick, New Jersey.
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ZAHN: And with me now is someone who has written an awful lot about this subject, she happens to be the author of "But I love him: Protecting your teen daughter from controlling abusive dating relationships."
Jill Murray is also a psychotherapist. Thanks so much for being with us. What are some of the signs parents could look for if there is a young man that potentially could be abusing their daughter?
JILL MURRAY, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: There's lot of signs, Paula, and the girls were so great about talking about them. You know, he has a short fuse, he has a really bad temper, he gets angry at little things that most people wouldn't.
If he's punching walls or he's throwing things, he's a difficult person to deal with. He might also be very jealous, he doesn't want her to even look at other guys, much less have guy friends. He's very controlling. He controls what she wears, her makeup, her hair, her friends, the kind of music that she listens to. He constantly checks up on her with her cell phone and text messages her.
ZAHN: Well that may all be true, but we also learn from these young women that they didn't say anything about this kind of behavior for a long, long time. So how do parents detect it if their kids aren't talking about it?
MURRAY: Well, you know, girls travel like a pack of wolves, teenage girls. So if your daughter is being isolated from her friends, from her outside activities, and from you, her family, you should really be worried.
Also if she has a change in behavior, or appearance, that's another sign. Also, if she makes excuses for her boyfriend or even worse says it is her fault, that's really troubling also. And they may also have this kind of fight/make up behavior where they fight and break up every other day and then get back together.
ZAHN: Got about 20 seconds left. Where are these young men learning this kind of abusive behavior?
MURRAY: They're partly learning it at home. They may have been physically or emotionally abused and, you know, the current teen culture is actually very disrespectful and violent and they're learning it there too, Paula.
ZAHN: It is so sad and I know that most of the folks hearing these numbers for the first time tonight will be just as shocked as I was.
MURRAY: Absolutely.
ZAHN: Glad you're trying to raise the awareness about it -- Jill Murray, thanks for your time, appreciate it.
Well, Britney's really done it this time. Can you believe this picture? Yes. She's driving with her brand new baby in her lap. Obviously child not in a car seat. So what is she saying about that today?
But first let's move along to Erica Hill who has the "Headline News Business Break."
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ZAHN: Erica Hill, the company gal that she is. They'll add that to your bonus for saying that, $15 maybe at the end of the year. Erica, thanks again.
Coming up now, No. 4 in our CNN.com countdown. The hunt for an escaped al Qaeda operative now involves the U.S. Navy. Jamaal Badawi is accused of plotting the attack on the USS Cole back in 2000. Don't move, No. 3 just ahead.
Well, there is an awful lot of excitement here in New York this week. It is fashion week. And we have got an insiders look for you at some of the secrets you're never going to see on the runways.
And can you believe Mrs. Kevin Federline did this with her baby son? So what is Britney saying about this today?
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ZAHN: Yes, they've invaded again New York here. It is fashion week here in the city, which is a really big deal. So we're doing something a little different tonight. Instead of sending a reporter, we're actually going to send you behind the scenes with a real fashion insider, someone who eats, breathes and lives this stuff, 24/7. She happens to be the major force behind one of the top fashion magazines around. So here we go, into a world that few of us ever get to see.
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CINDI LEIVE, EDITOR IN CHIEF, "GLAMOUR" MAGAZINE: I'm Cindi Leive, and I'm the editor in chief of "Glamour" magazine.
I just always loved magazines, and you know, I still think that for the average woman, that's how they get most of their ideas about what is in style now.
I mean, this is just clothes. It is not the meaning of life.
This week really does dictate what you're going to see in stores for the next, you know, six to eight months, and literally the day after a show, often just hours after a show, the major retailers, the big department stores are going to have placed their orders for what they like most.
It's the night after. We're in Bryant Park, which is where most of the shows are happening this week. We're all here. We're all seeing the same dresses, we're all having the same thoughts, like that needs to be on the cover right now. So they get the same calls from all of us, saying please, please, please, sweetie, hold dress number 27 for me. Hopefully, we're not going after the same thing all the time, but you know, there are certain pieces that you know it is going to be a knockdown, dragout fight to see who gets it.
This is the magic of backstage. Gets a little soccer stadium back here sometimes. You always have the problem after a not good show of trying to figure out what you say to the person. I usually go with "you've done it again." But after a really great show like this, it's a pleasure.
Hi, how are you. Congratulations. So lovely.
How do you guys feel about jaywalking? This is the day before D- Day on our April issue, which means we're about to go ship the issue to the printer, and, of course, there are a gazillion things that are left completely undone.
We're doing a cover shoot with Halle Berry. We've had her on the cover a couple of times. We're looking for a dress that would look great. So hopefully, she won't just take one look at the rack and run screaming in horror out of the room.
We just saw Oscar de la Renta, and it was a great show. I mean, his stuff is always so feminine and really beautiful and always adorned with lots of beading and gems and things like that. Nothing is plain Jane.
So it's been a pretty good day so far, but it is going to go late tonight.
Every year, I tell myself I'm going to start being on time for these things. Never. Never. Chronically late. I'm always the person they're pushing out of the way to, you know, hurry up, find your seat, the models are about to come in.
We really have one more, but it is Marc Jacobs, which is notorious for starting late. So apparently there's good two, three hour gap between now and the next one.
I have to say I found this completely interesting, which is just sort of the best thing you can ask for in a fashion show. You know, his is a very sort of cool kid look. Marc Jacobs is the designer for women who don't necessarily want to look overtly sexy. They don't even necessarily want to look pretty. They just want to look interesting and cool.
I'm going home. There is an after party. But I've got to hit the hay. It has been a really long day, and there are four more ahead.
So this is the end of the very first and definitely longest day of fashion week. So I'm still standing. In my four inch heels, I must point out. But it is off to a good start, and now on to tomorrow.
Good night.
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ZAHN: Behind the scenes with fashion week with Cindi Leive, editor in chief of "Glamour" magazine. Just about everyone has a dream of what they'd do if they quit their jobs or retired, and from time to time, we like to bring you stories of people who made that happen. And tonight, two former railroad engineers are trying just that. Here is Jennifer Westhoven with tonight's "Life After Work."
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HARRY WILGAR, RETIRED RAILROAD WORKER: If you got good eyes, I'm in there. 75, 94, it's the last steam locomotive that we built, brand new on this B&O railroad.
JENNIFER WESTHOVEN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Harry Eck and Harry Wilgar spent their working lives building and running trains.
WILGAR: I was an apprentice machinist when I came here in 1947. I was an 18-year-old brat who knew it all. I started here building steam engines and rebuilding them here, here at Mount Claire.
WESTHOVEN: Both Harrys still work together, but now they are back at the tracks as volunteers at Baltimore's B&O railroad museum.
HARRY ECK, RETIRED RAILROAD WORKER: Well, after I had been retired about five years, the management asked me to come down and help prepare the locomotive that was going to be recognized as a national engineering, civil engineering landmark, and I just stayed. They've started a docent program, and I joined that. And here I am 15 years later.
WILGAR: Put your pajamas on, because we're going to talk all night long.
WESTHOVEN: With more than 80 years of experience, the two Harrys share their stories about life on the railroad with visitors.
WILGAR: Well, for me, I enjoy meeting and talking to people in here. And I have some knowledge that I can offer to people that do come in here, and we can help them understand what railroading is all about. So we perpetuate that.
ECK: My regular day is Thursday. That's a high point of the week for me.
WESTHOVEN: Jennifer Westhoven, CNN.
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ZAHN: Good for them. Coming up, car seats for incidents, that would be babies, have been around since Britney Spears was a very little girl. So why didn't she put her little baby in one? Now on to No. 3 in our CNN.com countdown. Barry Manilow's greatest songs of the '50s is No. 1 on the album chart, his first No. 1 album in nearly 29 years.
No. 2 in the countdown is coming up next and 20 million of you logging onto our site today.
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ZAHN: Britney Spears has been getting a ton of criticism for being photographed driving with her brand new baby on her lap. Now since the pictures came out, police have been to her home, and child welfare officials have taken notice. "SHOWBIZ TONIGHT" host A.J. Hammer has more in tonight's what was she thinking?
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A.J. HAMMER, CNN ANCHOR (voice-over): This photo of Britney Spears driving with her 4-month-old baby on her lap is causing a Britney baby brouhaha that's making the pop star the topic of ridicule from late night comedians.
JIMMY KIMMEL, HOST, "JIMMY KIMMEL LIVE": It's still early in 2006, but already she has been eliminated from mother of the year competition.
DAVID LETTERMAN, HOST, CBS'S "LATE SHOW WITH DAVID LETTERMAN": What happened to the old days when celebrities would just dangle kids off balconies?
JAY LENO, HOST, NBC'S "THE TONIGHT SHOW WITH JAY LENO": In her defense, the baby had to sit on her lap, because her husband, Kevin, was asleep in the child seat, so apparently.
HAMMER: And she's getting scorned from another famous mom, Kelly Ripa.
KELLY RIPA, CO-HOST, ABC'S "LIVE WITH REGIS & KELLY": It's very dangerous. First of all, it's very dangerous.
HAMMER: But SHOWBIZ TONIGHT has learned the photo will probably not lead to any legal fallout. In California, it is illegal for a child under six-years-old or 60 pounds to ride without a car seat. Critics point to video like this to show why an unrestrained child is in danger in even the smallest of crashes.
SALLY LEE, "PARENTS" MAGAZINE: No parent that I know would ever think about driving with a baby in their lap.
HAMMER: But the L.A. County sheriff's department, which reportedly sent a deputy to Britney's home, tells SHOWBIZ TONIGHT that it is not investigating the matter. TMZ.com's Harvey Levin tells SHOWBIZ TONIGHT he's not surprised.
HARVEY LEVIN, TMZ.COM: The sheriffs really can't do anything unless there's a citizen complaint, unless somebody saw it, because the sheriffs weren't there when it happened. We're talking about a minor infraction.
HAMMER: As for wire reports that L.A.'s Department of Children and Family Services is now looking into the matter, the DCFS tells SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, quote, "Everything that comes into the department is a confidential matter."
Legal experts say Britney probably doesn't have a lot to worry about in this area either.
LEVIN: I've done many stories about L.A. children's services, and I can tell you, nothing is going to happen to her this time. She's not going to have the child taken away from her. But it's now on record that she did something reckless. And if she repeats that kind of conduct, then it could get serious.
HAMMER: Still, despite Britney Spears' claims that she was only trying to get herself and her baby away from a, quote, "horrifying, frightful encounter with the paparazzi," this whole thing has been nothing less than a P.R. nightmare for her.
As this editorial cartoon in the "New York Post" shows, Spears is getting all kinds of criticism from those who say she endangered her child.
LEE: I understand the pressure from the paparazzi, but it's not a valid explanation, or explication or justification. There is no justification for driving with your baby on your lap. None at all.
LEVIN: This is the kind of thing that can turn into a buzz kill for a celebrity, then they do something really reckless where people turn on them. And this could be that kind of event, unless it's managed properly.
HAMMER: But in the meantime fairly, or unfairly, Britney Spears will have to deal with criticism of her skills as a mother instead of her skills as a singer.
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ZAHN: And that was A.J. Hammer, host of "SHOWBIZ TONIGHT." And the latest word from another entertainment news program, Britney Spears is now saying she made a mistake.
Coming up at the top of the hour, "LARRY KING LIVE" with the latest on the Entwistle killings, a big break in that case today. But now on to No. 2 on our CNN.com countdown. Outrage from the mother of a first grader suspended from school for sexual harassment. The boy allegedly touched a classmate.
No. 1 is next.
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ZAHN: No. 1 on our countdown, the Neil Entwistle arrest which Larry King has more on right now. Thanks for joining us.
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