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Future of America's Illegal Immigrants?; Duke University Lacrosse Players Accused of Sexual Assault; Porn Sites Featuring Drunk Co-Eds Raise Ethical Questions
Aired March 29, 2006 - 20:00 ET
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CAROL COSTELLO, CNN ANCHOR: And good evening to all of you. And thank you for joining us.
As Wolf, said, Paula, has the night off.
Tonight, they grow our food. They build our homes. What is the future of America's illegal immigrants?
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COSTELLO (voice-over): America's border battle, millions took it to the streets.
Now an emotional debate takes center stage.
SEN. ARLEN SPECTER (R), PENNSYLVANIA: Agriculture in America would collapse -- collapse -- without migrant labor.
COSTELLO: Should 12 million illegal immigrants become legal?
Plus, "Beyond the Headlines" -- they call them anger babies, born in the U.S., now U.S. citizens. Should they be stripped of their basic American birthright?
"Outside the Law" -- outrage at Duke -- disturbing allegations of gang rape and racial hate.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We want the members of the Duke lacrosse team to come clean.
COSTELLO: Why are so many athletes staying silent?
And the "Eye Opener" -- digital dangers.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We all thought it was just going to be a good time, watching people do stupid things.
How too much alcohol and cameras ready to roll can be an Internet nightmare.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This woman appeared on your Web site having sex. She tried to kill herself.
(END VIDEOTAPE) COSTELLO: We are starting with what could be -- what could be one of the biggest stories of the year, the debate over who comes into this country and who gets to stay, and whether millions of people who are here illegally will be sent home.
Just a few hours ago the U.S. Senate finally began debating immigration reform. They're considering a bill to beef up border security and crack down on illegal immigrants.
And, just minutes ago, President Bush arrived in Cancun, Mexico, for a three-way summit with the leaders of Mexico and Canada -- immigration, trade and terrorism on the agenda. So, will something finally be done to fix our broken borders?
It is a question near and dear to the heart of CNN anchor Lou Dobbs. He is in Cancun tonight for the summit.
Hello, Lou.
LOU DOBBS, HOST, "LOU DOBBS TONIGHT": How are you, Carol?
COSTELLO: I'm pretty good.
OK, I am going to start with, oh, one thing you have said that is controversial. You have said that Mexican President Vicente FOX has more influence over U.S. immigration than does President Bush. So, what would that mean in relation to the summit?
DOBBS: Well, let's -- let's start with the way you framed this at the outset of your broadcast, because you're exactly right.
The issue is who comes into this country and who stays. That is the sovereign decision and power of any nation. The United States has abdicated that sovereignty and has simply permitted a wholesale -- a wholesale invasion of illegal aliens into the United States. You use the number 11 or 12 million, as are most.
Other studies put the number at 20 million. The fact is, we don't know how many illegal aliens, with any precision, are in the United States. But we do know this. The United States government is not in charge of its border.
The United States remains insecure, because it has no security at its ports. It has no security at its borders. And those are basic requirements for any attempt to control immigration.
COSTELLO: OK.
DOBBS: And, if you can't control immigration, you can't reform it.
COSTELLO: OK. So, let's say we have the full cooperation of the Mexican president. With so many people coming over the border, is it really possible to stop them?
DOBBS: Is it potential to stop them? Of course it is. There is a -- sort of a nihilistic, fatalistic view on the part some of Americans, principally the elites and in principally the media, that suggests the United States no longer has the will or the wherewithal to control its own borders.
If that's the case, we should simply put up a flag, a -- a white flag, and surrender, because then we have no nation at all. That is an absurdity. Of course we can control those borders. And, of course, we can secure this nation.
Otherwise, we will lose in the global war on terror, and we will certainly lose our sovereignty, because we can't control our borders. I don't accept that at all.
COSTELLO: OK, well, let's talk about what the Senate is doing, the bill passed by the Senate Judiciary Committee to be exact. It would require...
DOBBS: Yes.
COSTELLO: ... illegal immigrants to, what, pay a fine, pay back taxes? They would have to learn English, work toward citizenship. The whole process would take them 11 years. Is that not stringent enough?
DOBBS: Well, actually, the process will take about six years. It is an amnesty legislation, Carol, without any question. The fact of the matter is, the -- it is just a sham.
It's -- we should all be used to it now, on the part of this Congress, when dealing with important issues. We have got a Homeland Security Department, as I said. Yet, we can't secure our borders, nor our ports. If -- if anyone thinks that this guest-worker program is anything other than a sellout to the corporate interests that are dominating our political system, and telling middle-class American working men and women in the United States to go to hell, they need to rethink their position, because it is precisely that.
COSTELLO: We will be checking back with you throughout the night. Lou Dobbs, thank you very much, live in Cancun tonight.
You know, one of the most heated parts of this debate is whether illegal immigrants are coming here so they can have children, who will automatically become U.S. citizens, and then try to take advantage of the law to stay here themselves.
Next month, a congressional subcommittee will take up debate on that, and it could affect every newborn child whose parents are here illegally.
Thelma Gutierrez takes us "Beyond the Headlines" tonight.
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THELMA GUTIERREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): A new life comes into the world on the American side of the border. By birthright, the children are citizens of the United States, even though many of their parents are not.
Meet the Flores family of Pacoima, California. Joshua (ph), Joseph (ph), and Eric (ph) were born here. They are American citizens.
Their parents, Manuel Flores and Maria Fernandez (ph), were born in Mexico, but came to the United States with their families when they were still children. They have been living here ever since. Both work. They bought their own home and say they're living the American dream.
(on camera): Do you have feelings for this country?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Absolutely.
MANUEL FLORES, ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I love this country.
Put them on the table.
GUTIERREZ: Maria (ph) recently became a naturalized citizen. But Manuel, who works as a special-ed teacher's assistant, may now be deported bark to Mexico. Manuel was in the process of applying for permanent residency when he made the mistake of leaving the country to visit his mother in Mexico. Now he's considered an illegal immigrant.
FLORES: My worst fear is going away from my children. I mean, they were -- they both were born here. I just want to be here. This is my life.
GUTIERREZ: The Flores youngsters, like millions of other children of illegal immigrants, now find themselves in the middle of a heated national political debate over birthright citizenship, and whether it should be abolished.
JOHN EASTMAN, PROFESSOR, CHAPMAN UNIVERSITY LAW SCHOOL: To claim something by virtue of an illegal act as the very first step you take is -- is not only un-American, but it is fairly dangerous, because it means our immigration policy means nothing.
GUTIERREZ: Constitutional law professor John Eastman says families like the Flores, who enter the country illegally are part of a growing problem. According to Eastman, thousands of illegal immigrants have babies in the mistaken notion their American children will help legalize their status. Eastman considers kids like Josh (ph), Joseph (ph), and Eric (ph) -- quote -- "anchor babies."
EASTMAN: This is providing a massive incentive for illegal immigration, because it is a draw. That -- that U.S. citizenship is the -- the -- the most touted citizenship in the world.
GUTIERREZ: But immigration attorney Carl Shusterman says the notion of anchor babies is nonsense.
CARL SHUSTERMAN, IMMIGRATION ATTORNEY: I have never had a case where somebody had one of these anchor babies that resulted in them becoming permanent residents of the United States.
GUTIERREZ (on camera): Never?
SHUSTERMAN: Never, not a single case. And, I mean, I have had thousands, thousands of clients.
GUTIERREZ (voice-over): Shusterman says the law makes it impractical for any child to gain citizenship for a parent. For example, in the case of the Flores family, his sons would have to turn 21 before petitioning for their father. And because Manuel is here illegally, he would be penalized another 10 years before he could become a legal resident.
SHUSTERMAN: I think it is really a shame that the level of intolerance has grown so much that people are actually taking this kind of stuff seriously.
GUTIERREZ: But Eastman and a group of conservative lawmakers are taking it seriously. And they want the law granting birthright citizenship, which is protected under the 14th Amendment of the Constitution, to be revoked. They claim the children and their families are a drain on American taxpayers.
EASTMAN: They're still making a claim to get their children be deemed citizens and, you know, all the benefits of U.S. citizenship.
GUTIERREZ: Manuel Flores says that's the stereotype, but insists he has always worked and has never used public assistance.
(on camera): Taxpayers are paying for your kids to be in public schools.
FLORES: I'm also paying my taxes. I know I'm illegal, but I am contributing to this country, working really hard, and, like I said, paying my taxes. I donate a lot of my time, helping the community.
GUTIERREZ: Both sides say, as part of the larger debate on reforming immigration, it really comes down to who has the right to be an American.
Thelma Gutierrez, CNN, Los Angeles.
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COSTELLO: The debate over immigration is hitting the boiling point all over this country.
And joining me now are two people on opposite sides, John Trasvina of the Mexican-American Legal Defense and Educational Fund -- he opposes changing the birthright law -- and Mike Hethmon of the Immigration Reform Law Institute, who favors the change.
Welcome to both of you.
MIKE HETHMON, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, IMMIGRATION REFORM LAW INSTITUTE: Good evening. JOHN TRASVINA, SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT FOR LAW AND POLICY, MEXICAN- AMERICAN LEGAL DEFENSE AND EDUCATIONAL FUND: Thank you.
COSTELLO: Mike, I got to start with you, because it is difficult to believe how a baby born on U.S. soil could threaten the United States in any way. I mean, the kid doesn't have any choice over where he's born.
HETHMON: That's an emotional response. We're talking about numbers here, not individuals.
A birthright citizenship as a means of government is really the law of the jungle. It is -- it is whoever can fight their way to the top of the pile. It -- it -- it is completely opposed it our notions of -- of government. And it is also the -- the -- basically, it's the weapon of choice of the Mexican government to intervene in our domestic affairs.
The Constitution of the United States does not grant citizenship to -- at birth to just anyone. If you look at the -- the history of the 14th Amendment, you look at the -- the beliefs of our founders, none of that is there. I think the previous statement on your program...
COSTELLO: Well -- well, hold on a second. Let me -- let me read the 14th Amendment, so everyone understands. The 14th...
HETHMON: The citizenship clause.
COSTELLO: The 14th Amendment of the Constitution has given these children full citizenship for over a century.
It reads: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States."
HETHMON: It's the "subject to the jurisdiction" phrase, Carol, that is important.
And if you look at what the sponsors of the 14th Amendment meant, and the sponsors of the 13th Amendment, who also commented on this, they were very clear that it did not include foreigners, aliens, representatives of foreign governments. But it did include all other classes of persons.
COSTELLO: OK. I want to bring -- I want to bring John in right now, because you -- do you agree with that?
TRASVINA: No, not at all.
And -- and, today -- you picked a good day to do the subject, because, 108 years ago today, the United States Supreme Court ruled on this very issue. A man born in San Francisco was -- was turned away as an illegal immigrant from China. The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Wong Kim Ark that the 14th Amendment is exactly what it says: all persons born in the United States. And this is a principle that doesn't just go back 108 years ago.
It goes back to 1607 and Anglo-American law. Your other guest has misread -- misread history, and misreads our Constitution. And, today, looking at the debate on immigration, while some opponents want to build a wall on the Supreme -- a wall on the Mexican border, they're also trying to dismantle the Constitution.
COSTELLO: Well -- well, let me...
TRASVINA: We strongly oppose this change on birthright citizenship.
COSTELLO: Well, let me run this statistic by you, John, because it is pretty shocking. One in 10 children born in this country has an illegal immigrant for a mother. That...
TRASVINA: There's...
COSTELLO: That could mean that people are taking advantage of this.
TRASVINA: You know, it is hard enough to get across the border. I mean, people are dying at the border. I can hardly imagine pregnant women coming in.
People don't come to the United States to have babies. They come to work. They come to contribute. That's what is going on in Washington right now, trying to legalize individual statuses, and working for America's future. This notion that people are coming in to have babies just is not -- not right.
And, in your segment, you talk about, it takes 20 or 30 years for that to occur, in any case.
COSTELLO: Well, it takes 21 year for them to petition to make their parents legal citizens of the United States.
But the -- the -- the notion, Mike -- and I will go back to you -- the notion that this person, let's say in a very poor section of Mexico, was plotting to come into to the United States -- it's very difficult to get across the border -- do you think he has that plan in mind, to escape his country with the woman, and then they have a child, knowing that that child will make it easier for them to stay in the United States?
HETHMON: Yes. We know that's particularly true with countries -- countries like Mexico. But it is -- it is not the intent that is the point. It is the -- it is the effect.
COSTELLO: Why -- why do you say countries like Mexico?
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HETHMON: Because Mexico is the overwhelming source of illegal aliens in this country, well over half, maybe as many as two-thirds. So, what happens in Mexico really is the determinant of -- on this issue.
TRASVINA: And, 100 years ago, it was Chinese, Mike. And -- and the U.S. Supreme Court made...
HETHMON: No, no, no. Wong Wing (sic)...
TRASVINA: ... that decision for us.
HETHMON: No. I -- I will have to disagree. Wong Wing (sic) is not on point. You're -- you're -- you're miscon...
TRASVINA: No, Wong Kim Ark. It's Wong Kim Ark, not Wong -- you -- you got the wrong case.
HETHMON: These -- these cases -- this is -- is -- is not applicable to this.
Clearly, you to look at what the -- what the -- what the founders say. And I think you will admit that the Supreme Court has never ruled precisely on the question of whether illegal aliens, not legals or -- or -- or temporary non-immigrants, are entitled to birthright citizenship. It has only been done administratively. And there -- there are bills in Congress that are pending now that will clarify the law.
TRASVINA: And today -- today's illegal immigrants are the Chinese immigrants of the last century.
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COSTELLO: I'm going to have to stop the debate here...
HETHMON: Very simple.
COSTELLO: ... because I can envision it going on and on. And we just don't have that much time. But it is a very fascinating subject. And I'm sure this will be debated....
HETHMON: Absolutely. Absolutely.
TRASVINA: Thank you, Carol.
COSTELLO: John Trasvina and Mike Hethmon, thanks to you both.
TRASVINA: Thanks.
HETHMON: You're very welcome, Carol.
COSTELLO: A sports team at one of the country's top universities has been pulled off the field because of some shocking allegations. What happened during an off-campus party near Duke University?
Also, how would you feel if racy pictures of you, drunk, ended up on Internet? Why is it happening to more and more and more young women?
And are there devils and demons lurking among us? We will meet an exorcist who has no doubts.
But, first, more than 17 million of you went to our Web site today, our countdown of the top 10 most popular story on CNN.com.
President Bush today blamed former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein for continuing violence between the Sunni and Shiite Muslims. His comments came during a speech in Washington.
And nine -- former lobbyist Jack Abramoff has been sentenced to nearly six years in prison for committing fraud in the purchase of a fleet of gambling boats. He will also pay a fine of more than $21.7 million -- eight and seven on our countdown up next.
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COSTELLO: There is a good chance when you hear the word exorcism, you think of jokes and bad horror movies. So, you may be surprised to hear that a lot of people are actually undergoing the religious ritual to cast demons out of their bodies.
And, tonight, Tom Foreman introduces us to a real-life exorcist.
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TOM FOREMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice over): From the moment he arrived on the brown outskirts of Tulsa, Bob Larson was getting the devil out. What might be called his personal theme song pounds through the room as he starts tonight's session at a local hotel. And it is appropriate. Bob Larson is an exorcist.
REVEREND BOB LARSON, EXORCIST: The power of Jesus Christ is available now. Not 2,000 years ago. Now, to destroy the works of darkness.
Christ dealt with demons. I mean, the bible was full of it. It's right here in the book. We can't escape it.
So I'm -- you know, I'm doing what's normal. If the rest of the people think I'm abnormal, I think they're the ones who are out of step with scripture.
FOREMAN: As it is, many people are falling in step with Larson, mesmerized by his public confrontations with people who say they are possessed by devils.
LARSON: And I defy you in the name of the living.
(singing): My deliverer is coming. My deliverer is standing by.
FOREMAN: Larson is not alone. The Catholic Church is training more exorcists. And one religion scholar says more than 600 deliverance ministries have popped up in Protestant churches around the country. The common belief driving them all: demons really do move among us.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I believe there's demonic influence in the world.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He moves in the supernatural, and I want to be around it.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Really, I expect to see some pretty wild stuff.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I wouldn't be here if I didn't believe that there were demons.
FOREMAN: On this night, Sherry Kritenton (ph) gives a typical example of how these demons show themselves. One minute, just sitting in the crowd...
LARSON: Get out of the way. Get in the backseat and let the devil drive.
FOREMAN: ... the next, howling, writhing, and in a strange voice screaming at Larson.
LARSON: Who are you? Who are you? Is this a setup, or a show? Larson insists it is neither.
He says some people try to fool him. Some people have obvious mental conditions. But there is no mistaking a person possessed.
LARSON: There's something I refer to as that look. It's the look of a demon. And once you see it, believe me, you never forget it. You're looking into the heart of hell and hell is staring back at you.
FOREMAN: Broad interest in all of this goes back to 1973, when "The Exorcist" scared the devil out of millions of movie fans. Larson's interest dates to about that time.
A Nebraska farm boy, he was a rock musician, became an inspirational speaker, then a Christian broadcaster. And along the way he says he started running into possessed souls.
LARSON: No, it was the real deal. I knew it was the real deal.
FOREMAN: So now he spends almost all his time preaching the gospel of deliverance, through Christian TV...
LARSON: If you think you're tormented by the devil, who are you going to call, where are you going to go and what are you going to do?
FOREMAN: ... through videos and through exorcisms. As he pulls demons from his audience, he also pulls dollars through offerings, sales of books, disks. He says he doesn't profit, but he is using the money to train deliverance ministry teams all over.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I divide soul and spirit.
FOREMAN: He believes no one should be more than a day's drive from an exorcist, especially these days. LARSON: Crime, violence, drugs, the horrendous rise in sexual abuse in our country, all of this is an environment of human suffering that demons can feed on.
FOREMAN (on camera): Do you believe that most people have demons in them?
LARSON: I would say it's close to half the population.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sacrifice your children!
LARSON: Come out and be with Jesus. Come out! Come out!
FOREMAN (voice over): After a long confrontation, Sherry's (ph) demon appeared to be driven out. Sherry (ph) wept, the crowd applauded, and the exorcist called it a night.
LARSON: I could go another four or five hours. I feel great. I feel fine.
FOREMAN (on camera): How is that possible? This just looks physically and mentally exhausting.
LARSON: It is. It is. But it's what god has called me to do. I mean, I'm so excited. I mean, Sherry (ph) is a different person.
FOREMAN (voice over): She says so, even though she also says she's been possessed four times and exorcised twice.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: God's brought me a long way in a short amount of time, and I think it's a continuing process.
FOREMAN: That's good enough for Larson.
(on camera): Do you believe that lives that are changed this way are truly permanently changed?
LARSON: Some yes and some no. No pun intended, some get repossessed.
(LAUGHTER)
LARSON: I mean, I'm serious, they do.
FOREMAN (voice-over): After all, he says, this is an eternal struggle between heaven and hell and the desperate souls caught somewhere in between.
Tom Foreman, CNN, Tulsa.
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COSTELLO: At least he has a sense of humor.
Have you ever wished you could forget what you did when you had too much to drink at a party? Coming up, why some young women cannot forget. Who is putting pictures of them on the Internet? And who else is looking?
Here is number eight on our CNN.com countdown -- no more bottled water only for residents of Blackstone, Massachusetts. A ban on tap water was lifted today, after police arrested two teenage boys in connection with the break-in at the town's treatment plant. The crime had sparked fears of water contamination.
And, number seven -- the husband and wife who are part of the family that was rescued from a snowbound R.V. in Oregon, well, they're spending tonight in jail. Arizona authorities had issued arrest warrants for them after their rescue. The two are facing drug charges -- six and five when we come back.
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COSTELLO: There is outrage tonight in a North Carolina community that is home to one of the nation's most respected universities. Several white members of Duke University's Lacrosse team are facing allegations they reaped an African-American exotic dancer at an off- campus party. School has now suspended the team's season. And most of the team members have given DNA samples.
Jason Carroll has been working on this all day. He has filed tonight's "Outside the Law."
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UNIDENTIFIED PROTESTERS: Wake up! Wake up! The sun is up!
JASON CARROLL, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): There is anger here at Duke University. And students who showed up for a protest also want answers.
UNIDENTIFIED PROTESTERS: You can't run! You can't hide!
CARROLL: The outrage is directed at the university's lacrosse team. The highly-ranked team has been suspended amid allegations three of its players raped a young woman at the home where some of the players live.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We want the members of the Duke lacrosse team to come clean.
CARROLL: According to police, on March 13, the players hired two exotic dancers to perform during a party. One of the women says the men got out of control, three of them forcing her into a bathroom, where she says she was sexually assaulted -- the incident report saying, "The victim stated she was hit, kicked and strangled during the assault, and she attempted to defend herself."
The 27-year-old woman, who is black, and a student at a nearby university says the young men, who were white, shouted racial slurs at her. Police have taken DNA samples from 46 of the team's 47 members. The remaining player is black. The district attorney says the players have not been forthcoming about what happened. MICHAEL NIFONG, DURHAM, NORTH CAROLINA, DISTRICT ATTORNEY: It just seems like a shame that they are not willing to violate this seeming sacred sense of loyalty to team for loyalty to community, which seems to me to be a -- a bigger issue.
CARROLL: The team's captains released a statement, expressing remorse for throwing the party, but say, "Any allegation that a sexual assault or rape occurred is totally and transparently false."
This is not the first time the team has run into trouble. Fifteen players have prior minor offenses, mostly for underage drinking. And the same night of the alleged assault, a black woman who passed by the house called 911 in tears, after she says a young man standing outside shouted racial slurs at her.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I saw them all come out of like a big frat house, and me and my black girlfriend are walking by, and they called us "niggers."
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CARROLL: Students at the school, both white and black, say this incident has touched a raw nerve.
BRANDON HUDSON, DUKE UNIVERSITY STUDENT: This incident just seemed really to shock us because of the brutal nature of which it is alleged, which is described. And put on top of that, the racist implications that, you know, were involved.
SEYWARD DARBY, DUKE UNIV. NEWSPAPER EDITOR: People are just in awe and in shock of the attention it is getting and the fact that the truth still hasn't come out and everybody is waiting for the DNA test to come back.
CARROLL: Duke University's president says he understands the concern among students but says judgment against the players should be withheld until DNA results are released.
RICHARD BRODHEAD, DUKE UNIV. PRESIDENT: We don't know what the truth is. There is two very different stories and it is not in our power to establish the truth because we can't do DNA testing and things of that sort. And so in some sense we have to try to suspend judgment at a time when emotions make you want to reach a judgment.
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CARROLL (on camera): And a copy of the search warrant reveals that police seized a number of items including money, a makeup bag, and several broken fingernails. DNA test results are due back next week and it just so happens this week also just happens to be Sexual Harassment Awareness Week at Duke university. Carol?
COSTELLO: Jason Carroll reporting live from us from Durham, North Carolina, thanks. Still ahead, proof, especially if you are a woman, that drinking and cameras do not mix. Who was watching the last time you had too much?
And have you heard about the husband who went on strike on the roof? What does he want? First number six on our CNN.com countdown.
A Minnesota boy who found a toy machine just impossible to resist. Three year old Devin Haskin crawled inside one Sunday at his godfather's pizza and could not get out. A firefighter was eventually able to pry the door open.
Number five, the first total solar eclipse since 2003 seen this morning in Brazil and then in West Africa and Turkey and Mongolia. If you missed it this time, you'll have to wait until 2008 for the next one. Actually 2017 if you live here in the United States.
Number four on our countdown after this.
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COSTELLO: In this half hour, he's up on the roof and he's on strike. What are this husband's demands, and what does his wife say?
There are wildfires on one coast, record rain on the other. What is the weather doing next?
At the top of the hour on "LARRY KING LIVE," Laci Peterson's stepfather gives his first interview since Scott Peterson's conviction.
In tonight's "Eye Opener," I want to warn you that some of the pictures in our next report may be more than you want the young ones to see. And if you have kids in college or heading there, this story bound to shock you.
We all know that college students like to party. But what you may not know is that Internet pornographers are sometimes lurking at these parties, ready to take advantage of drunk female college students. Allan Chernoff has tonight's "Eye Opener."
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ALLAN CHERNOFF, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): College frat parties. For many they were the good old days. But for this woman whom we'll call Jill, a frat party that was supposed to be a good time turned into what she says was a nightmare.
Three and a half years ago, Jill was 18 years old when her boyfriend invited her to a party promoting a pornographic Web site.
JILL: We all thought it would be a good time watching people do stupid things.
CHERNOFF: After heavy drinking, some women began exposing themselves in front of men with video cameras. JILL: There were guys walking around with cameras trying to get girls to do things. Trying to get them to lift their shirts or kiss their friend. It was really creepy. Really creepy.
CHERNOFF: Jill says she and a female acquaintance entered a room and suddenly found the camera and all eyes trained on them.
JILL: I was just standing there and some girl started undressing me. And then it was the camera guy saying, oh, do this, do that.
CHERNOFF: Jill says she was drunk and that pressure from the crowd and the cameraman pushed her to do things she normally would never have done.
JILL: I couldn't stand up for myself and say, you know what, no, I'm not going to do this. There is no way that I could stop because I was so scared of what they would do if I stopped.
CHERNOFF: The cameraman worked for a Web site called CollegeFfests.com. The site packed with pornographic party videos. We'll call it CFF.
Soon the video was on the Internet, available to anyone willing to pay CFF's $30 a month membership fee. The night of the party, when Jill was drunk, she signed a document granting permission to appear in the video.
Jill says she came here to the company's Los Angeles office begging CFF to take the video off the Web but had no success. CFF, owned by a private pornography production company, GMM Global Enterprises, maintains it has no knowledge of any such request.
With the video online, Jill says she wanted to escape, just fly away. She dropped out of college and moved 200 miles away, but Jill couldn't escape her shame. A year after the party, she tried to kill herself.
JILL: I basically shoved like a knife, box cutter, glass, all into my wrists. Drank a glass of bleach. There is blood everywhere, all over my clothes, all over my face and I wanted to clean up. So I started cleaning up, blood dripping everywhere, and then I called my neighbor to see if he would help me clean up. And then he called the police.
CHERNOFF: Micah Coy is the host and lead cameraman of CFF.
(on camera): This woman appeared on your Web site, having sex, she tried to kill herself. That's how bad she felt after all of this. She felt totally taken advantage of. She regretted everything.
MICAH COY, INTERNET PHOTOGRAPHER: To some degree she sounds mentally unstable. You know, there are kids out there that, you know, have a bad day at school or something and then try to commit suicide.
CHERNOFF (voice-over): Coy claims he and his cameraman did not pressure Jill and never pressured women in their videos. COY: No one is forcing anyone in any situations. It is entirely up to the person -- at their discretion.
CHERNOFF: And, Coy argues, there is no undue pressure from men at the parties.
COY: Serious problems arise when you have two people naked and a bunch people drunk around them and you have everyone's emotions are going, you have a lot of hormones flying around. It can easily turn into a mob mentality and that was something I never wanted to have happen.
CHERNOFF (on camera): But your site is full of that. It is full of people egging them on. All of that.
COY: There is a finesse about it, I guess.
CHERNOFF (voice-over): What CFF finesse is is it's legal liability. Coy says a sign is posted at an entrance to all parties, giving notice cameramen will be shooting and those who appear on camera must sign waivers. Though neither Coy nor GMN Enterprises would show CNN the form.
(on-camera): Anyone who has sex on camera or exposes themselves on camera, right away afterwards you check their I.D., you have them sign a consent?
COY: Of course.
CHERNOFF: Afterwards?
COY: Yes.
CHERNOFF: What if somebody is passed out?
COY: We don't film people that are passed out.
CHERNOFF (voice over): But that appears to be the case in this CFF video. Coy says the woman is an actress. But he refused to give us her name or any contact information to verify his claim. On its web site, CFF advertises fraternities wanted, urging frats to invite CFF to film their parties. So Coy maintains he merely records what naturally happens at college.
(on-camera): So in a way do you see yourself as a person making a documentary?
COY: Indeed. Definitely.
CHERNOFF: Like National Geographic?
COY: Yes.
CHERNOFF: Except instead of animals, college students.
COY: People, yes. CHERNOFF (voice over): Believe it or not, CFF is not alone on the web. A quick search finds thousands of similar sites, including Drunk University and Dead Drunk Girls.
As for Jill, now 22, she is much smarter about life in the Internet age. Anyone, not just a professional pornography like Micah Coy, can snap a picture with a camera, especially those contained in cell phones and post it on the web. That means letting loose at a private party can easily become a public embarrassment, a mistake to regret forever.
Allan Chernoff, CNN, New York.
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COSTELLO: And one more thing, GMN Global Enterprises says it is no longer producing new CFF videos, but the pornographic web site remains online, and it is still accepting paying customers. As for Jill's video, we asked CFF why they haven't taken it off the Internet. The company says it needs a formal request for that. And Jill says she is unwilling to do that because she would be forced to reveal her name.
A Michigan housewife doesn't need divorce court but a labor negotiator might come in handy. Why? Why has her husband gone on strike? Can she meet his demands?
And don't forget, Laci Peterson's stepfather breaks his silence at the top of the hour on "LARRY KING LIVE."
Now number four on our CNN.com countdown. Liberia's former president now in custody at a U.N.-backed war crimes court in Sierra Leone. Charles Taylor had vanished on Monday night from his home in Nigeria, where he was living in exile. He was finally captured this morning.
Number three just ahead.
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COSTELLO: If you ask how is the weather, the answer is it is making big news right across the country.
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COSTELLO: Let's check some of this hour's other headlines.
Here is Erica Hill with the "Headline News Business Break."
ERICA HILL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Carol, a good day on Wall Street. Optimism about the economy helped us in the Dow Industrials, 61 points higher. And a record day for the Nasdaq. Tech shares rallied to push the Nasdaq up 33 to its highest level in five years. The S&P gained more than nine.
There is late word today Delta Airlines will fire 1,000 white collar workers. It is part of a plan to pull out of bankruptcy. As many as 9,000 jobs may be eliminated by the end of next year.
The Justice Department has okayed the $1.7 billion merger of Whirlpool and Maytag. The appliance giants are combining in an effort to fight increasing foreign competition.
And for the first time, SUVs, pickups and minivans will be subject to government mileage standards to save energy. Even the hummer is going to have to get 22 miles a gallon next year. It will be interesting to see that one. Carol, those are your business headlines. Back over to you.
COSTELLO: It will. Thank you Erica.
We are about to meet a couple that has a real problem. He's up on the roof, the roof of their home. He's on strike. She's embarrassed. So what is causing all the trouble?
Before that, number there in our CNN.com countdown. The Afghan man, who could have been executed for converting from Islam to Christianity, is now in Italy. He arrived in Rome earlier today after being released from prison yesterday.
Number two on the countdown coming up next.
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COSTELLO: Now ask yourself, what would drive a husband to go on strike against his wife and plant himself on the roof of their home? Would you be surprised if I said it had something to do with what is going on in the bedroom? Here is Jeanne Moos with the story of one couple in Michigan.
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JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Some guys go through the roof when they get mad. This guy camped out on top of it, to his wife's surprise.
VALENTINA WILSON, JAMES WIFE: I was in the kitchen and I seen a ladder go up and at first I thought he was going to check on the leaves or something. And then I see the tent and say, "What are you doing?" and he told me he was on strike.
MOOS: "Hubby on Strike" reads the sign atop the Wilson home in Redford, Michigan.
JAMES WILSON, HUSBAND ON STRIKE: I want the children removed from our bedroom, ASAP.
MOOS: James Wilson has had it with his wife letting their kids sleep in the marital bed.
J. WILSON: The children are wreaking havoc on our intimacy, I should say.
MOOS: His wife's not convinced he should say it. Valentina finds it all embarrassing.
J. WILSON: Not to me.
MOOS: First Valentina let their sons sleep in their bed for about six months. Now he's older and has graduated to his own room. But his baby sister is now sleeping with her parents, in their bed and beside it.
V. WILSON: I think it's important to spend time with the babies, you know?
J. WILSON: And I think it's important to spend time with the husband.
V. WILSON: And he knows she doesn't go to sleep without me.
MOOS: James has started a Web site called "Husband on Strike." He describes himself as the president of the Association of Desperate Husbands. And he's collected several thousand names on a petition calling for the immediate removal of the kids from the bedroom.
J. WILSON: We're a happy family but some things have got to change immediately. I want my bedroom back. I want the diapers and the toys removed immediately.
V. WILSON: There is no negotiation. The bond with me and the kids are really important.
MOOS: Though other parents haven't taken to the roof, they're familiar with the problem.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I have actually seen people divorce over this.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm in favor of the husband, make that absolutely clear.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The guy needs a break sometime, so give the guy a break.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When they're sick and it is an exception, but you know, you're married for a reason, right?
MOOS: No one we talked to sided with Valentina. James is a marketing consultant so he knows how to pull a stunt the press can't resist.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One frustrated husband's story coming up.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why is a husband on strike?
MOOS: James, by the way, isn't sleeping on the roof. He just hangs out there for a few hours a day.
V. WILSON: Oh we have a good marriage.
J. WILSON: We have a wonderful marriage. I love my wife. She's a great mom.
MOOS: The point may be, honey, get rid of the kids, but he's starting to sound like one.
J. WILSON: You were with me before them.
V. WILSON: I know but now they're here.
J. WILSON: I come first.
MOOS: Jeanne Moos, CNN.
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COSTELLO: But they have a great marriage. One more thing, James Wilson has spent a week and a half on strike. So far, neither husband nor wife show any sign of backing down.
In just a few minutes on "LARRY KING LIVE," Laci Peterson's stepfather gives his first interview since Scott's conviction.
But first, here's No. 2 on our countdown. Jessica Simpson may be ready to be a mom. Her publicist says the singer is looking into no, not Nick Lachey, but adoption, but adds that nothing has been finalized yet.
No. 1 on our list up next.
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COSTELLO: And now No. 1 on our CNN.com countdown. The guy who spent spring break at Wal-Mart, yes you heard it right. Skyler Bartels is a sophomore at Drake University in Iowa, spent 41 hours in the store as a test of endurance. Says he watched shoppers, he read magazines and, yes, he played video games too.
That's all for tonight. Tomorrow, a woman who authorities say was part of an armored truck heist in Las Vegas. The thieves got away with nearly $3 million. Why did it take 12 years to catch her? And what happened to everyone else and what happened to the money? "LARRY KING LIVE" starts right now.
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