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Trump Pushes To Reopen Economy Despite Record Coronavirus Cases; U.S. Jobless Claims Rise By 1.5 Million; Florida Reports Its Biggest Single-Day Jump In Coronavirus Cases; Macron Travels To London To Mark De Gaulle's 1940 Broadcast; U.S. Supreme Court Blocks Trump's Attempt To End DACA; Facebook Removes Trump Campaign Ads For Violating Hate Policy; Zoom Quiz Game Draws Hundreds Of Players Amid Pandemic; Singer & British Forces' Sweetheart Dies At 103. Aired 3-4p ET

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RICHARD QUEST, CNN BUSINESS ANCHOR, QUEST MEANS BUSINESS: Sixty minutes before trading comes to an end on Wall Street and now, to take a look at

the numbers, the Dow is lower for the second straight day. A whole variety of reasons behind this, and you see the market has bounced around. It was

even positive once or twice in the course of the morning. Relatively small losses, but we are under 26,000.

That's the way the market is looking, and this is the reason and part of the reasons why. Donald Trump is pushing to reopen more of the United

States at a faster pace. He says the virus is dying. The numbers say otherwise.

The weekly jobless claims tell their own story. They seem stuck at over a million. It's worse than expected. We put some analysis behind that.

And Carnival loses billions in its latest earnings report. The Bahamas Tourism Minister on the country's industry's future.

Live from New York on June 18th. It is a Thursday, nearly the weekend, but not yet. Before we get there, I am Richard Quest, and I mean business.

Good evening. We start tonight in Washington, where Donald Trump is meeting the nation's governors by teleconference -- or some of them -- whilst at

the same time the coronavirus is escalating to record levels in some states.

The meeting is focused on the economy -- excuse me -- reopening businesses. The President insists the virus is dying out. This is all happening whilst

the White House is simultaneously under pressure from a book by John Bolton, the former National Security Adviser that we'll get to in just a

moment, and make some fairly -- well, not fairly -- they make some dramatic claims.

John Harwood is with me, our White House correspondent. He's in Washington.

John, restrain yourself, sir, from going down to John Bolton. We're going to deal with that in just a moment. I want to first of all deal with what's

happening. This is reopening, this idea that the President says the virus is dying out.

JOHN HARWOOD, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: He is saying that, Richard. It's not true. But we see in this meeting with governors, the way he is

making a priority of emphasizing the recovering economy. We've gotten some good economic news lately on jobs, on retail sales. But we know that as

long as the virus is a major threat to ordinary citizens around the country, that it's going to make a full reopening difficult, if not

impossible.

But the President is determined to look past that. He has shunted aside his public health experts. He and Mike Pence who heads his Coronavirus

Taskforce have essentially denied the spike in cases that's going on, particularly in the Southwestern United States.

They're not wearing masks. They're not urging others to wear a mask. In fact, President Trump said in an interview with "The Wall Street Journal"

today that he interpreted some of mass wearing as people intending to send a negative message about him, as opposed to protecting their own health.

That is not a prescription for getting America to the other side of this crisis.

QUEST: Now, John, you've talked about the way the President view masks. Well, this idea of Trump first and Trump reelection, it is at the core of

what John Bolton writes about in his book.

Now Bolton accuses President Trump of prioritizing his reelection over everything else, including the interests of the United States. For example,

during the tariff dispute with Chinese President Xi, he claims Donald Trump pleaded for soybean purchases to appease American farmers.

And here's John Bolton telling ABC News that, frankly, nothing else mattered except his reelection.

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JOHN BOLTON, FORMER U.S. NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER: I think he was so focused on the reelection that longer term considerations fell by the

wayside. So, if he thought he could get a photo opportunity with Kim Jong- un at the demilitarized zone in Korea, there was considerable emphasis on the photo opportunity and the press reaction to it and little or no focus

on what such meetings did for the bargaining position of the United States.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

QUEST: John, let me take a contrary view here. All politicians are concerned with reelection. Perhaps arguably, Donald Trump is just more

honest than the rest of them.

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HARWOOD: That is a contrarian view Richard and I'm going to have to push back on it. Look, let's step back and take the big picture.

In 2016, Marco Rubio told the American people when he was running against Donald Trump that he was a con artist. Ted Cruz said he was an utterly

amoral pathological liar and a narcissist. Hillary Clinton said he was unfit for office.

What we've now seen in John Bolton's book, along with recent statements by Jim Mattis, the former Defense Secretary, and John Kelly, the former White

House Chief of Staff, three people put in the senior most positions of government by Donald Trump. They've all said that was not campaign rhetoric

from Cruz and Rubio and Clinton. It was all true.

Donald Trump is amoral, is dishonest, is focused exclusively on his own interest rather than those of the United States -- is unfit for office.

And that is a much more profound thing than merely the idea that Donald Trump is focused on his reelection. Of course, as you said, all presidents

are, but Presidents have value systems. Presidents have ways of behaving, and Donald Trump's is out of line with any other President we've seen and

not in a good way.

QUEST: Now, let's just talk about John Bolton because the President has already said that Bolton made some terrible mistakes and not surprisingly,

he has rubbished Bolton. I think it's worth pointing out and, again, feel free to take the contrary view that John Bolton may have opinions and

philosophies -- political philosophies that people find they can't agree with or too extreme.

But nobody has ever questioned his integrity as a public official.

HARWOOD: That's right and look, among the former officials criticizing the President. They disagree with each other on policy. John Bolton doesn't

agree with Jim Mattis at all. In fact, he trashes Jim Mattis in the book.

But the core complaint that we're getting from these former officials so close to the President, is that he doesn't tell the truth, that he doesn't

have American values in mind, that he is consumed by how things affect him personally.

Americans elect leaders to move the country forward, yes. Leaders are concerned about their image and they're concerned about getting votes. But

this is such a more damning portrait that John Bolton is painting and as you said, John Bolton is not somebody whose integrity has been in question.

The same is true of john Kelly. The same is true of Jim Mattis.

The person whose integrity is in question and has been put in question by all the people who run against him and people who've served with him is

President Trump.

QUEST: Good to have you, John, always good to have you to give us a perspective. I appreciate it.

HARWOOD: You bet.

QUEST: We're going to be talking a lot more, of course, in the days, weeks and months ahead, as the election really gets up -- picks up steam.

U.S. markets -- I showed you the Dow at the beginning of the program and they're all -- it's all over the shop -- down. Then there's a couple of

smidgens of green, and then we're down again.

Look, the losses are not large, and we shouldn't make too much of them. But we did have job numbers, one and a half million first time claims last

week. There are 20.5 million continuing claims.

Jonas Prising is with me, Chairman and CEO of Manpower Group. I'm a little bit lost now as to where we stand, because we have better unemployment

numbers, and I know this is not really about initial claims. It's really about continuing claims. So, where actually are we?

JONAS PRISING, CHAIRMAN AND CEO, MANPOWER GROUP: Well, we are at a decade or multi-decade low as far as employment is concerned in the US, as well as

in most of the developed world, and you know, when you cite the unemployment claims that came out earlier today, it's good to know that

this is about two and a half times the levels that we ever saw and it's worse the during the Great Recession.

So unemployment is, of course, very high right now, but I think what a lot of the market reaction is indicating that it's looking past what is clearly

a very difficult employment situation across the world and thinking about the speed of the recovery and how quickly things can go back to a future

rather than a norm.

QUEST: We are seeing that with the - we are showing the markets just at the moment, and they were showing a complete recovery. But sir, the core

question is not how many people lost their jobs during this crisis. That was like pushing an emergency stop, an instant stop. It's how many will not

get their jobs back when things reopen. Do you have from Manpower better guidance for us on how many will be permanently laid off, lost their jobs

as a result?

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PRISING: Well, Richard, it's a little bit early to make that prediction, and now, we just released a survey where we interviewed more than 40,000

employers across 40 countries. And in that interview, about half of the employers are saying that they are optimistic that we will see a recovery

sometime during 2021.

Now, remember that was a survey that was taken at the end of April. So, this was at a time when a lot of us were hoping and thinking that this

could be a shock and then a very quick return.

It'll be really interesting to see what the same answer on the same question solicits as an answer in September.

But I think it's safe to say that as quickly as we could freeze the employment's market, it's going to take a lot longer to thaw.

QUEST: Right. But during that thaw, there's now talk about whether to extend the extra $600.00 a week that's been given to people -- not given to

them -- it's been -- it is a part of the safety welfare net that's in this country. Because Mnuchin and Kudlow and others in the Treasury team believe

it's a disincentive to work. It's basically paying people more not to work and they could.

Firstly, do you accept that premise? And secondly, would you be in favor of say a $400.00 payment for people when they go back to work?

PRISING: Well, I think it's a question of what is your belief on how quickly the labor markets are going to come back and as far as we can tell

from the countries where we're seeing the lockdowns easing, the labor markets are gradually improving, but it's at a slow pace.

So with that in mind, shutting off the extra support that has been given to U.S. workers already in July could be very dangerous because we could be

cutting it off.

So in my view, it is probably very judicious to look at extending support, whether it be at a $600.00 level or $400.00 level so we don't create a

tremendous shock for the people that have been unemployed and are then potentially not getting back to work for many, many more months to come.

QUEST: Always good to have your perspective. I'm grateful, sir. Thank you for talking to us this evening. Thank you.

Now, the curve isn't flattening. In fact, it's doing quite the opposite. Ten states here in the U.S. are actually seeing large spikes in the number

of cases. In Florida, for example, the number of cases is actually at a record and yet the governor says he will not close down the economy again.

The fears are that Florida could be the next coronavirus epicenter. Look at that chart. Look where you see the deep, deep red, up 50 percent even the

southern red, and even California is still up.

Rosa Flores is with me from Miami. Okay, so how much of this spike is because of the either they didn't do the job properly in the beginning with

the lockdown, it was a wishy-washy lockdown or the reopening is simply out of control? Or both?

ROSA FLORES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: You know, it might be a little bit of both. If you ask the experts, Richard they do say that in part it's due

because people are not social distancing. They're not wearing masks while they're out and about and so the disease is spreading.

Now, if you ask Governor Ron deSantis here in the State of Florida, he'll say that it's because of aggressive testing in areas where there are outbreaks, such as agricultural communities, prisons, nursing homes, and

also long-term care facilities and prisons.

But from talking to the experts, they say that these numbers are showing what these numbers are showing, and that is that it's not just because of

testing, and because of more testing, it's because there's a real rise and I can tell you that we've been following these numbers.

Last week. Richard, we were talking about a thousand cases a day and experts were alarmed because of that. Then over the weekend, it crossed

over to more than 2,000 cases a day, and today, the record for the state since the coronavirus pandemic broke and that is 3,207 cases in one day

alone.

QUEST: Right, now, but Rosa, so if the governor says and last night by the way, or not -- more last -- we had that bar owner or the restaurant owner,

The Gallery over on the West Coast of Florida, who said his dining room had reopened and he was closing it again. You'll be familiar with it -- with

the story.

So, if the governor says he will not close down the state again, where is the headroom? How far can Florida go to allow new cases before the health

system is under pressure?

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FLORES: You know, right now, the State of Florida shows that there are 22 percent of ICU beds available and 25 percent of regular beds available.

But I can tell you, Richard, even though the governor is not moving the needle, like you said, he doesn't plan to shut down the state again. Local

leaders are moving that needle. They are first of all considering reinstating restrictions. A lot of them have not reinstated restrictions,

but they have told us that they are definitely considering it and they're looking at the numbers closely.

The Mayor of Miami Dade County where I am right now, this is the epicenter actually, this county where I'm standing, 30 percent of the more than

85,000 cases are reported right here and the Mayor just yesterday said that he is registering an increase in cases, increase in hospitalizations, and

that he is sending out the police to businesses to make sure that they're following the rules.

QUEST: Good to see you, Rosa. You'll keep us informed on this, please, of course, as things change. Rosa Flores reporting from Miami.

Now, during the course of this program, you may notice that I'm perhaps sounding a little bit more wheezy or chesty than usual, and one of the

things about coronavirus even though the virus has long since gone is the long tail and the inflammation, if you like, of the upper chest.

That is going to take a lot longer to repair itself. So, if I do sound a bit wheezy or coughing, that's the reason why, but don't be alarmed. The

doctors say there's absolutely nothing wrong. It's just the remnants and leftovers.

Germany is extending its restrictions once again, threatened by a new surge in cases. It is restricting large groups. We'll hear from the E.U.'s Health

Commissioner on the question of why they're buying vaccines before they're even worked out if they are available. This is QUEST MEANS BUSINESS and

good evening to you.

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QUEST: Germany has launched a swift response and proposal as a result of mounting cases, particularly where large crowds are concerned. Six hundred

and fifty workers tested positive at a meat processing plant and as a result, the German Chancellor has extended social distancing through

October. No large events more than 400 people.

It comes while the E.U. is investing in vaccine producers -- half a dozen of them. Now the E.U. is going to spend a couple of billion in total and

they don't even really know which, if any, of the vaccines will prove to be the right one.

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QUEST: But the E.U. Health Commissioner joins me on the line and really to clear that the bloc's purpose was to ensure that when a vaccine is found,

the E.U. citizens have access to it.

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STELLA KYRIAKIDES, EUROPEAN COMMISSIONER FOR HEALTH AND FOOD SAFETY: As we know, as long as we don't have a vaccine, this virus is still circulating

among us, and nobody is safe unless everybody is safe.

So in fact it with the E.U. strategy for vaccines, we are ensuring that we are able to quickly move up development and production of a vaccine when it

is found, to ensure that this is accessible, of course, to European citizens, but also globally. This is a responsibility that we all have. And

this is not a time that we can speak about me first, we all need to work together in order to overcome this pandemic.

So in this case, as viruses know no borders, our efforts will also be to ensure that if a vaccine is found, and this is the only way we're going to

be able to really deal with the COVID-19, it will be available as quickly as possible in a safe way to European member states, but not only.

QUEST: Right, but it is a me-first in a sense because the U.S. is doing it. They've bought into one vaccine. China will be doing it. There is an

element and I don't necessarily criticize the E.U. for this, of ensuring that when a vaccine becomes available, E.U. citizens are near the front of

the line.

KYRIAKIDES: What we are trying to achieve and I think this is our responsibility, what we're trying to ensure is that we really encourage

production of a safe vaccine as quickly as possible.

Lives and economies have gone on lockdown for several months now and many sacrifices have been made. It is important that we show solidarity. This is

a global effort. In order to fight a global pandemic, we need to work globally.

And the E.U. strategy -- Vaccine Strategy presented today really aims at allowing access to a vaccine as quickly as possible.

QUEST: And you're not putting your eggs in one basket, are you? You're going for several vaccines, up to six, and that clearly is a recognition

that A, either some won't work and others will. So, you're hedging your bets, or you'll need different types of vaccines for different types of

people.

KYRIAKIDES: Well, clearly, there's always a risk with vaccine development. And when one considers that in order to develop a vaccine, one usually

needs about 10 years and we're hoping that this effort will lead to a vaccine in 12 to 18 months.

It is important to invest in different types of technologies. There is of course, a risk involved, but the risk of not doing anything, I think is

much greater.

QUEST: This idea of you're doing it for the world. I understand that by helping the pharmaceutical companies develop a vaccine, providing the R&D,

providing the extra incentives for production, I understand that. But what measures are you also going to take to ensure that if one of your vaccines

is successful, that you are then going to ensure geographical spread so that poorer countries can get it as well as E.U. members?

KYRIAKIDES: Richard, as you know, the European Commission has already shown its -- how committed it is to this global effort through the Global

Pledging Conference which has already been launched and raised over 10 billion euros so far.

So, of course, we are committed to the global effort and we need to be because unless we do have a way to be able to really deal with this virus

of the global level, we all know, the world is interconnected. We are not going to be able to shut the virus out of our own borders. So, we really do

all need to think globally in this pandemic.

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QUEST: The coronavirus has wreaked more havoc on the world's largest cruise company. If you look at the numbers. Carnival announced a $4.4

billion loss in the second quarter. Revenue just about down 85 percent, and Carnival says it can't predict when operations will resume. So the company

is announcing it plans to sell six ships to be able to keep the company going.

The cruise industry spells woes and troubles for the island of economies where they visit.

In the Bahamas, cruise ships brought in 5.5 million tourists last year, and it is 60 percent of the GDP. Dionisio D'Aguila is the Bahamian Minister of

Tourism and joins me now.

So, let's just do first of all, the fact of Carnival, all the big shipping not visiting. That has a dramatic effect on your economies.

DIONISIO D'AGUILA, BAHAMIAN MINISTER OF TOURISM: Absolutely. You're quite right. Last year, we had 5.5 million cruise passengers come to the Bahamas,

those 5.5 million tourists made eight million stops in the Bahamas. So, we're an archipelagic nation. A third of all cruise passengers make more

than one stop in the Bahamas.

And so every point where they're stopping, they're spending money, engaging in the economy. And with that, coming to a complete dead halt has been

economically traumatic.

QUEST: So taking that as the starting point, and then the reopening, there is now a dispute -- not a dispute -- a disagreement in the Bahamas over

just, for example, whether you take temperature of people as they come in, bearing in mind that Florida is your largest -- one of your largest

markets. This is worrying. Where do you stand in terms of temperatures and testing upon arrival?

D'AGUILA: So, Richard, you're absolutely right. Eighty two percent of our foreign visitors come from the United States and of course, Florida being a

mere 30 minutes by plane away is our number one destination from the United States.

We've all been looking at the reports. There's been spikes in a number of COVID positive cases. And so our original intention, our entire process has

been a phased approach. So, we first started off with returning citizens, residents, and homeowners. Then we went to boaters and private aviation,

and now on the first of July, we are about to open.

But what we've been seeing in the United States with the opening of all 50 states is a surging in the number of COVID cases. And so it has caused the

Bahamian people to pause and say, you know what, I think what we're going to do is keep in place the COVID-19 tests, PCR test, the swab test, keep

that in place until we see the United States settle down a little.

It's all a little unsettled, and we're not ready to take the plunge to allow people to -- go ahead.

QUEST: I beg your pardon. It is the delay obviously, between you and me. Bearing in mind that I mean, Sri Lanka is doing something similar. They

have a very rigorous testing system, which you'll be familiar with, test on arrival, you test three days later. You test in seven days and so forth. Is

that realistic in the Bahamas, when you have such large numbers, assuming that they'll come back?

D'AGUILA: So, Richard, this is the balancing act. On the one side, your economy is highly dependent on tourism. It employs 60 percent of our

workforce.

And so we're anxious, as the Minister of Tourism, I want to open the country and get as many persons to come into the country on vacation as

possible.

But then on the other side, if you open too fast, too wide, then you may lead to a spike in cases and begin to infect our people. We had an

excellent record during the COVID-19 thus far, and keeping the number of deaths down to 11. So, we don't want to ruin what we have achieved thus

far.

QUEST: You beautifully set out in the true sense of the word, the dilemma facing people like yourselves. I don't envy you and your colleagues for the

decisions that you have to make, sir, but we will follow closely.

And during the summer, let's catch up again so we know where we all stand on this. Thank you, sir, I appreciate it.

D'AGUILA: Thank you so much, Richard.

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RICHARD QUEST, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: I have a question for you. I have a -- it's a trivial question. Which country has been home to more Nobel

laureates in literature than any other country? Tonight's "HOW'S BUSINESS" talks to an online quizmaster. So, which country's been home to more Nobel

laureates in literature? Literature, that's the key bit, than any other. I might have the answer for you. I'll tell you what, @RichardQuest. Tweet me

the answer @RichardQuest, if you think you know what it is, in a moment.

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QUEST: Hello, I'm Richard Quest. There's more QUEST MEANS BUSINESS for you in just a moment. Facebook is removing ads for Donald Trump's re-election.

And that's raise some eyebrows about why they're doing that. We'll have the story on that. And we mourn the Forces' Sweetheart passed away. Dame Vera

Lynn died age 103. You'll hear her and her singing. We'll meet again. But first, of course, this is CNN, and where else would you go? Because on this

network, the news always comes first.

The French President Emmanuel Macron has traveled to London, where he marks the anniversary of the historic World War II speech today in 1940. Charles

de Gaulle called for French Resistance to Nazi occupation, and a broadcast from London. The anniversary is also the first face-to-face meeting between

two European leaders since the start of the pandemic. The British Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab, says he has full respect for the Black Lives Matter

movement. Earlier comments on kneeling, being counter intuitive. He said that taking a knee seemed to suggest subjugation and likened it to Game of

Thrones. He now says he respects their choice.

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President Trump acknowledged that some people at his campaign rally in Oklahoma this weekend may catch the virus. He says it's a very small

percentage. He also told the Wall Street Journal testing is overrated, and claims some Americans wear face masks to make a political statement against

him.

It was a big defeat for the Trump administration after the Supreme Court voted against the administration in the case that where they were trying to

stop DACA. Now, it's the Obama-era program that protects immigrants who were -- who were brought here as children, protects them from deportation.

The Apple chief executive filed a brief in support of DACA saying he employs hundreds of DREAMers as they're known from 25 countries. Jessica

Schneider is our justice correspondent. Jessica is in Washington. Now then, Jessica, look, until now on this immigration questions, the Supreme Court

seemed to have been going with the president, and allowing many of the immigration proposals and rules that he wanted to employ. Why did they

decide against letting him stop DACA?

JESSICA SCHNEIDER, CNN JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT: Yes, you're right, Richard. Remember the travel ban, the Supreme Court ultimately let the president

enact his travel ban. But with this, trying to end DACA, this program that protects those so-called DREAMers, the chief justice in this case, a noted

conservative, he ruled against the administration. This is the second time this week that Justice Roberts has sided with the liberals, ruling against

the administration. And basically, it was a matter of procedure here, saying that the Trump administration didn't properly end this program. They

sort of went about it with different policy and legal rationale, shifting explanations. The Chief Justice saying, look, Trump administration, you can

end this program that was enacted by President Obama, but you did it all the wrong way.

Just about three years ago when the Trump administration ended it. So, it leaves the door open for President Trump to once again end the program.

It's unclear whether or not he might do that in the next few months before the election. But really, this was a very specific procedural issue. So,

while it may seem that Chief Justice Roberts is siding with the liberals, yet again, he's not exactly exhibiting any liberal tendencies, merely just

saying Trump administration need to adhere to the letter of the law, and do it the right way.

QUEST: Jessica, when I -- I listened closely to what you're saying, and I often think, you know, two or three of the Supreme Court justices on each

side, the conservative and the liberal side, might as well not bother turning up, because at the end of the day, it always comes down to those

few swing votes in the middle. Do you find that energizing or depressing that you pretty much know this one will go that way, this one will go that

way, and it -- suck a thumb and see which way the winds blown for those in the middle?

SCHNEIDER: I think it keeps us on our toes, Richard. You know, we're out here every morning, the Supreme Court issues decisions, wondering, A, which

decision they're going to release, and B, how the justices are going to rule. And I'd say that you're right, Chief Justice Roberts seems now to be

that vote that's always in play. It used to be Anthony Kennedy before he retired, but surprisingly, it was Neil Gorsuch on Monday, who also sided

with the liberals. He wrote the opinion, saying that transgender and gay individuals can't be discriminated against under federal law. So, I'd say

that with the nominations of Brett Kavanaugh and Justice Gorsuch, we thought that they'd be surefire conservatives, always tending to go with

the conservatives and the Trump administration. And on Monday, that proved not correct when it came to Justice Gorsuch.

So, I'd say that sure, we can always depend on certain justices to rule a certain way or to issue their dissent. I mean, Justice Clarence Thomas

today and DACA issued a scathing dissent, and we expected that. But there are some justices in play that might not be as conservative, in the

traditional sense, as the administration may have hoped.

QUEST: I always find -- I always enjoy reading the dissents, Jessica. I always think that particularly how to see how rude they can be about each

other without transgressing into being offensive. Good to see you. We'll talk more about that.

SCHNEIDER: Yes. Thank you.

QUEST: Maybe at the end of the court's term. You can get some good examples that we can talk about. Thank you.

SCHNEIDER: For sure.

QUEST: Jessica Schneider in Washington. Facebook is removing ads run by President Trump's reelection campaign, because it says it violates its

policies. Now, the platform has faced increasingly loud calls to regulate the content. Now, Donie O'Sullivan is with me. What was wrong with these

ads? Why did -- I mean, you've got to put -- you've got to push pretty hard before Facebook will remove something.

DONIE O'SULLIVAN, CNN BUSINESS REPORTER: Yes, that's right, Richard. You know, we've seen multiple times where the Trump campaign seems to break --

broken Facebook's rules, and Facebook does nothing about it. But that all changed today. The Trump campaign started running an ad attacking what they

are calling, dangerous mobs of far-left groups that are running riots, they say, around Americans. Specifically talking about the far-left group,

Antifa.

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Now with that ad, there was a picture of a upside down red triangle. The anti-defamation league here in the U.S., which tracks a lot of hate groups,

pointed out that the triangle was practically identical -- this is what the ADL said -- to that used by the Nazi regime to classify political prisoners

in concentration camps. Facebook this afternoon here in the U.S. agreed basically with that assessment, and they told us in a statement that they

removed the ads for violating their policy against organized hate. They said our policy prohibits using a band hate group symbols to identify

political prisoners about the context that condemns or discusses the symbol. For -- from -- for the part of the Trump campaign, they say, well,

look, this red triangle is used by Antifa. And they actually pointed us to a few t-shirts and magnet Web sites that have these red triangles. But the

ADL, which monitors a lot of these groups said, it really isn't a symbol that's used much by Antifa at all.

QUEST: Good to see you, sir. Thank you. I appreciate it. Now, to the first question about it, the number of Nobel laureates for the largest country,

some of you say, Ireland, some of you say the Germany, most of you, of course, say France, which I suspect is the right answer. Question number

two, ready? Pencils at the ready. @RichardQuest, or you can email me, Richard.quest@cnn.com. In which country -- city which country city

(INAUDIBLE) did the first U.S. Presidential inauguration occur? Well, I got the answers from those of an online quiz company when we return.

@RichardQuest or Richard.Quest@cnn.com.

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QUEST: Stephen Walsh is a restaurant consultant who when the Coronavirus hit hard and his business realized you have to think of something else, so

he turned his hobby into a way of doing business and a life. He started -- Stephen started an online trivia quiz, nightly, online quizzes with

contestants from around the world. At some point, there's many as 500 players during one game. He runs them for one hour at a time with three

sets of questions and three minutes to answer them before the captain submits the answer.

Stephen is with me now, head and host of Walsh Trivia. And here's two quickies. The country to more Nobel Prize Laureates in literature is, of

course.

STEPHEN WALSH, FOUNDER AND HOST, WALSH TRIVIA: That is France.

QUEST: There we go. And the first U.S. presidential inauguration, I'm saying Washington -- I'm saying it was Washington, and it was in New York

on the steps of Federal Hall. Maybe right maybe wrong?

WALSH: New York City on the -- on the balcony of Federal Hall is correct.

QUEST: Good. Now, I'm pretty good. But that's -- so tell me, Stephen. Where did this come from? I mean, you have to make a business. You started it up.

It's been phenomenally successful. What's the secret to its success, do you think?

WALSH: I think a lot of people were looking for alternative forms of entertainment. They were stuck at home and they needed something. And

trivia has always been popular for a certain market. And I worked very hard to put a good game out there. And I give people a new game every single

night. So, a lot of people are now regulars.

QUEST: And people log on and they play as a team. And they play against each other, or they're just playing against you?

WALSH: So, no, it's a team game, so you play together with family and friends. And you can play with people no matter where they are in the

world. And you play against other teams, sometimes as many as 40 or 50 teams at a time are playing. And I put up the scores at halftime and the

end. And then, we do some betting on final questions. So, you know, there's a lot of competition there.

QUEST: So, the question we now ask is how is business?

WALSH: It's doing great. I definitely wanted to get -- as soon as I decided I needed to move forward with it, I wanted to get to market as quick as

possible. And a lot of my people are now regulars. So last night, in fact, was my second busiest Wednesday, and I was wondering if maybe things would

lighten up once, you know, restrictions started to be lifted, but it seems like it's here to stay.

QUEST: If we look at the map, and we see just where they are that you -- I mean, the beauty of what you're doing as its global and people can log on

from anywhere. And hasn't got a sell by date, do you think, when pubs and traditional pub quizzes come back, do you think you'll be able to somehow

twist this or at least give it a new lease of life, a refresher, that you can keep going with it?

WALSH: Absolutely, Richard. So, what's happened is I have focused on making this viable in the long term. And I think a lot of other trivia people were

thinking short term, and they want to go back to the pubs. What I found is that there's a whole world of people who want to play with family and

friends who might be in different states, cities, countries, and they can play together with those people. Now, there's also people that are stuck at

home for different reasons that might not have -- they might have mobility issues or anything like that. They can all play now, too. You know? And

also --

QUEST: Stephen, here's the promise. I feel -- I feel a challenge coming on, Stephen. I feel a challenge coming on. A promise. I think we're going to

challenge my colleagues at FIRST MOVE, Julia Chatterley's lot to a game. If you'll help us organize it, we will do it. We will obviously win and see

those near do wells off, and we'll give a good donation to a charity of your choice. There we go. That's the promise for tonight. QMB Challenges

FIRST MOVE to a -- to a trivia competition. Thank you, Stephen, thank you for joining us tonight.

WALSH: (INAUDIBLE)

QUEST: Now, thank you. Now, we'll meet again. What famous words sung, of course, by Dame Vera Lynn. You'll hear from her. She passed away today.

You'll hear from her and what about that song, the Forces' Sweetheart? After the break.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

QUEST: A moment of remembrance tonight for Dame Vera Lynn, the beloved British wartime singer died today, age 103. Now, she was known, of course,

as the Forces' Sweetheart, bringing cheer and hope to the forces as they're headed off to fight in Germany. The song, We'll Meet Again, has become a

standard that is used, the reference, We'll Meet Again in times of trouble, especially for instance recently by Her Majesty, the Queen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

QUEEN ELIZABETH II, QUEEN OF THE UNITED KINGDOM: We should take comfort that while we may have more still to endure, better days will return. We

will be with our friends again. We will be with our families again. We will meet again.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

QUEST: The way she said it, Her Majesty, brought chills as remembered the way Vera Lynn sang, We'll Meet Again. I was privileged to meet Dame Vera

some years ago, and asked her about that fame song.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

DAME VERA LYNN, SINGER: I remember so well sitting in the garden having tea with my parents when we heard war was declared. So, I turned and said, I

said, well, there goes my career. They'll be no more chance to do anything. But of course, it was just the opposite. When the boys first went to France

in 1939, I suppose somebody wanted to keep their mind occupied and ran this competition for them to choose their favorite singer. And they chose me. I

got dubbed the Sweetheart of the Forces.

QUEST: That song We'll meet again.

LYNN: We'll meet again, yes. Yes.

QUEST: Did you -- when you first heard it, did you have any idea that this -- that you and We'll Meet Again, we're going to be inextricably linked for

the rest of your life?

LYNN: No, not, no, no. It was so good song. I like the tune. I like the lyric. And it was perfect for me to close my programs on. It was

optimistic, and it left the listener with a little hope and something to think about, and --

QUEST: And when you stood on that stage, whether it be in Egypt, or the battles that you talked about, but when you stood there and sang, We'll

Meet Again, awesomely, what did you see looking at them?

LYNN: Well, a lot of sad faces, really, because I mean, I'm sure they're all thinking. I hope that we will meet again, thinking of their loved ones

they've left behind, but wondering if they would. And I'm sure so many of them didn't get back.

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QUEST: Why do you think that when you performed on that stage, they were able to relate to you?

LYNN: I was the girl next door. I wasn't a glamorous person. I could have been their sweetheart, their mother, their wife singing to them. And I

suppose that's why they accepted me because they felt that I was one of them. I mean, to me, I was just a singer, who wanted to do something and

just went out and did it.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

QUEST: Dame Vera Lynn who died today. A "PROFITABLE MOMENT" after the break.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

QUEST: Tonight's "PROFITABLE MOMENT." Meeting Dame Vera Lynn all those years ago was a real honor. What a privilege to be able to spend some time

with her, and you know, she was there her you 90s. And the thing I remember, of course, is the way in which she affected people. That simple

song, We'll Meet Again, played to young men who were going off to war, many of whom would not return.

And that idea of we'll meet again, which in hard times, we come back to, again and again, as Her Majesty the Queen referred to in her Coronavirus

address in April, we'll meet again. It speaks volumes of hope. Even in the face of the worst adversity, there is the prospect and promise that here or

in the future, we will meet again. And that's why it's so wonderful to be able to just reflect and take some time. And one thing I promise you is

whatever you're up to in the hours ahead, I hope it's profitable. And we'll meet again tomorrow.

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