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Abbas Speaks After Frances Recognizes Palestinian State; More Countries Formally Recognize A Palestinian State, Deepening Israel's Isolation; Disney Says Jimmy Kimmel Will Return On ABC On Tuesday; Chipmaker Nvidia To Invest Up To $100 Billion In OpenAI; White House: Oracle Will Oversee TikTok's Algorithm In U.S.; U.S. Lawmakers Seek To Exempt Coffee From Recent Tariffs; Donald Trump Links Tylenol To Autism. Aired 4-5p ET
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MAHMOUD ABBAS, PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY PRESIDENT (through translator): -- state without weapons, a state with one law and one legitimate security
forces. We stress our condemnation of the occupation's crimes. We also condemn the killing and detention of civilians, including Hamas' actions on
October the 7th, 2023.
On the other hand, we call for an end to the settlements. The annexation, settlers' terrorism and the attacks against Islamic and Christian holy
sites. We condemn the occupation policies that isolate Jerusalem al-Quds and expand construction on Area E1. We condemn the narrative -- the Israeli
narrative on greater Israel which flouts international law. It represents a direct threat to Arab National Security and international peace.
And this comes in addition to the brutal aggression against the sovereignty of the brotherly state of Qatar and other Arab countries. This necessitates
a firm deterrent international stance.
Ladies and gentlemen, the state of Palestine continues to adopt a comprehensive reform agenda promoting governance, transparency, the rule of
law and the reform of the financial system. It also works on the reform of educational curriculum in line with the UNESCO standards, and this will be
achieved within two years. We are establishing a unified social welfare system after the abolition of all previous payments to the families of
prisoners and martyrs.
This system is currently undergoing international audit by a specialized international firm. We underline our commitment to organize presidential
and parliamentary elections after the end of the war, and within one year we will draft an interim constitution within three months to ensure the
transfer of power from the authority to the state. This will ensure that no party or individual will participate unless they adhere to the political
program and the international commitments of the Palestine Liberation Organization other rules of international legitimacy. The elections will be
held under international observance.
Ladies and gentlemen, we desire a modern democratic state based on the rule of law, pluralism, power sharing, equality, justice, and the empowerment of
women and youth.
We commend the positions of those countries that recognized the state of Palestine. We call on those who have not yet done so to follow suit. We
call for your support so that Palestine become a full-fledged member of the United Nations.
We have already recognized the right of Israel to existence in 1988 and in 1993, and we still recognize the state of Israel. In this vein, I would
like to thank France, Britain, Canada, Australia and Belgium, in addition to Portugal, Luxembourg, San Marino and Andorra and other countries that
have been mentioned by his excellency, the President of France, and we recall with appreciation all 149 countries who have already recognized the
state of Palestine earlier.
They have participated in our long struggle, the last of which was Spain, Ireland, Norway, Slovenia and Armenia.
We would also like to commend the important role of the presidency of this conference, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and France, as well as Britain, in
galvanizing more international recognition. We would also like to thank all participating countries in this conference for their important role issuing
the New York declaration and taking irreversible steps to bring about durable peace based on the two state solution and based on international
legitimacy.
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We would also like to commend the role of the brotherly and friendly countries that support our Palestinian cause in the international fora. We
would like to commend, in particular, the role of Algeria, which is assuming the Arab seat in the Security Council. We commend the positions of
the peoples and organizations that support the legitimate rights of the Palestinian people to freedom independence and statehood. We reject any
confusion -- I repeat, any confusion between the solidarity with the Palestinian calls and the issue of antisemitism. We reject the latter
proceeding from our values and principles.
We would also like to express our readiness to work with the U.S. President Donald Trump, with Saudi Arabia, France and the United Nations and all
partners to implement the peace plan adopted during this conference within a specific timetable with international guarantees and monitoring.
This would open the gates towards a just peace and comprehensive regional cooperation. In this regard, I call upon Israel to immediately sit on the
negotiating table to put an end to this bloodshed and bring about a just and comprehensive peace.
And I address the Israeli people saying our future and yours banks on peace. Enough violence and war. Our generations deserve to enjoy freedom
and security. Let the people in our region live in durable peace and good neighborliness, and I would like to seize this opportunity to address all
the Jews in the world, wishing them a good new year, and to our patient Palestinian people in their homeland and everywhere, I would like to tell
you that the dawn of freedom and liberty is coming, no doubt.
That day, ladies and gentlemen, is the day of the state of Palestine and the start of the peace process in the Middle East.
We hope that we will call very soon to an international conference that will bring about this matter.
Peace and blessings of God be upon you.
ISA SOARES, CNN HOST: You have been listening there to Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian Authority President, addressing the U.N. as you can see there,
this comes on the heels of President Macron, which in the last hour, as you were watching here on CNN announced the recognition of Palestine, an
incredible moving and impassioned speech there where he talked about the peace -- the time for peace is now. We must do everything within our power
to preserve the very possibility of a two-state solution, talking about the time for peace has come.
We also heard there from the Palestinian Authority President saying Hamas will have no role in the government talking about pluralism, justice, power
sharing, and of course, important to point out that Mahmoud Abbas wasn't there -- is not there in person and that he appeared via video link, as you
saw, because he was denied entry, no visa was given to him to address of course, the U.N.
Jim Sciutto hooter is at the United Nations right now. He joins me now.
Jim, good to have you there.
We heard from, of course, Mahmoud Abbas. Give us a sense of what you took away from him as he of course, he outlined the vision as he said, the dawn
of freedom and liberty is coming.
JIM SCIUTTO CNN ANCHOR AND CHIEF NATIONAL SECURITY CORRESPONDENT: It was a somewhat hopeful message, right, in a region and at a time when hope is
hard to find, almost impossible to find, right? Because certainly with the suffering in Gaza, but also on both sides of the border, you speak to many
Israelis who in the past might have said they were in support of a two- state solution. You don't hear that? They seem to have lost hope for it.
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Many Palestinians, too, that the two-state solution has over time, many have dismissed it as just no longer being possible, right?
So to hear from Mahmoud Abbas, there something of a note of hope saying there is still a way forward here. That was notable. And I think you heard
some of that as well. But when I listen to western leaders, Macron or for instance, the Canadian Prime Minister Carney, I heard from them more a
sense of urgency based on just how bad things have become. Right? I mean, the Canadian Prime Minister went so far as to say that the possibility of
Palestinian self-determination is being erased.
His words that it is being erased. That's quite a charge to level at Israel, as you know, because that has been the allegation of some
Palestinians is that the destruction you're seeing in Gaza and the expansion of settlements in the West Bank is designed to make a Palestinian
state simply impossible going forward.
Then you add to that hearing the Israeli Prime Minister say today that there will be no Palestinian state. So Abbas trying to, I think, keep that
flame alive to some degree, and as well as other European leaders, including some of America's closest allies, right?
You have France, you have Canada, Australia, the U.K., just in the last 24 hours declaring recognition of a Palestinian state, something that, well,
used to be U.S. policy, right? I mean, the two-state solution was a bipartisan U.S. policy for decades. It is only recently where you just
don't see that backing anymore.
You see full U.S. backing for Israel, and the Israeli position today is there will be no state. It is quite a contradiction.
SOARES: Indeed, and responding, like you said, Jim, with defiance and with anger, Prime Minister Netanyahu, I am just going to ask my producer, Ronan,
to bring up that map again that really highlights the recognition, of course, of the Palestinian state. More than 145 countries, Jim, this really
leaves Israel more isolated than ever on the international stage.
How is this recognition from France, Canada, Portugal and others -- how is that going to sit with the United States?
SCIUTTO: You know, it is a chorus, right? This is a chorus of more than 105 countries around the world and the U.S. and Israel are outside. They are
off the island. They are the minority here, right, on recognition, and that is notable.
Now in the past, it certainly isn't moving the policy today, right, because Israel feels to some degree it has all the support it needs to, at least
under Netanyahu to push forward.
But in this country, Isa, there is a discernible change in the politics on this issue. You have Democratic lawmakers who in the past might have
privately criticized Israel or doing so publicly. You had a majority of the Democratic Caucus vote against additional arms sales to Israel. Now, that
doesn't do anything right, because you still have a number of Democratic senators plus the Republican Majority approve it but that's a shift.
And then I think almost more notably, you have some Republican lawmakers and influencers, Tucker Carlson, for instance, who hearing from the younger
conservative voters their own criticism of Israel, you know, that kind of horseshoe, right where you have left and right meeting on this issue here,
which has increased criticism of Israeli policy in Gaza, that that is moving the politics in this country somewhat. It hasn't moved the policy,
right, because the President still sides quite wholeheartedly with Israel, but it is at least moving the politics, and that's something to follow over
time.
Does that begin to influence elections and leaders to make decisions they might not have in the past as regards to Israel?
SOARES: Jim Sciutto for us there at the United Nations. Thanks very much, Jim. Appreciate it.
Well, let's get more on this. With me now is the Ambassador Husam Zomlot, the head of Palestinian Mission to the U.K.
Ambassador, good to have you on the show. And great timing, in fact, that you are here. Of course, we've heard from Mahmoud Abbas, just your two
cents really from what you've heard.
Well, the significance really of this moment.
HUSAM ZOMLOT, HEAD, PALESTINIAN MISSION TO THE U.K.: The significance of what President Abbas said just now to the world, to the U.N. is that he is
a man of peace. He has a vision. He represents his people. He represents our commitment, our firm commitment and he has been absolutely steady over
the years and the decades. President Abbas' DNA is peace, is arriving at a final solution.
But the irony of that is that while the U.S. administration receives with open arms an ICC wanted man for war crimes, that is Netanyahu, they prevent
the Palestinian President from addressing a peace conference in New York. That's really --
SOARES: And obviously, this is done by video.
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ZOMLOT: That's really the irony of the moment.
However, the voice of Palestine spoke, that is, the President through the video conference and the message was delivered.
Have you ever heard any Israeli leader, ever, stating such a clear vision of accepting the other, recognizing the other, accepting the right of self-
determination to the other? Sharing a future together? You will never hear that.
SOARES: Clearly, he wasn't allowed in. He is addressing it via video link, President Abbas, but as Jim was saying, there is strength in numbers here.
More than 145 countries recognizing Palestine.
I saw you today, saw a video of you today in that moment as the flag was being hoisted outside the embassy. One, what does it mean on a personal
level for you? I am keen to get a sense of that because you and I have spoken on many occasions, and the fears and frustrations and the anger
that, you know, you have discussed, but also in real terms, Ambassador, what does that mean? How much does this change the situation on the ground?
The dire, desperate situation on the ground?
ZOMLOT: Well, U.K. and international recognitions are not going to end the genocide or the occupation for that matter. We know that. Recognitions will
not bring back the lives we've lost, the homes that have been destroyed, the livelihoods that have been stolen. But the question is not why should
the world recognize the state of Palestine? The small little minority countries that didn't, which is the western powerful countries. The
question is the lack of recognition for all of these years have led us to where we are today, because the lack of recognition has emboldened Israel.
Successive Israeli governments, particularly this most fanatical government, Netanyahu, Smotrich, Ben-Gvir, has emboldened them to actually
believe that they can have a permanent occupation and the policy of ethnic cleansing, the policy of genocide, would be normalized and accepted.
So, yes, it will not immediately change the situation, but it is a turning point, particularly the U.K. And ask me why? Because the Palestinian agony
started here in this city you are sitting in, in London, the Balfour Declaration, the denial of Palestinian peoples' existence, the denial of
our right to self-determination, the British mandate and the British role in the Nakba of the Palestinian people.
And then comes a moment yesterday, when the British Prime Minister stands and says, I recognize the state of Palestine and the inalienable right of
the Palestinian people for self-determination. That is almost seeing history turn.
SOARES: You didn't actually answer the question over what it means to you? And I want to know that on a personal level.
ZOMLOT: You mean personally?
SOARES: Yes, of course.
ZOMLOT: I am a Palestinian refugee. I was born in a refugee camp in Rafah in Gaza, and for a boy from a refugee camp who grew up and was educated by
his community, was nurtured, raised by my people, family and neighbors. And, you know, I am the son of the Nakba. So the narrative there was the
collective experience of the Nakba, the uprooting of the Palestinians, the mass transfer, the loss of our land and properties, and the role of Britain
there.
And then that boy from the refugee camp to become a representative for his people in the country that has contributed to that, and that boy from the
refugee camp wanted to be a small part of turning that history and of righting the wrongs and of correcting the historic, the gravest historic
injustice. It was a moment of, pride, and it was a moment of preparation for a lot to come. This is my way -- this is merely a starting point.
SOARES: This needs to be accompanied by action, right? It is symbolic like you said, Ambassador, what action are we likely to see? You heard what
Netanyahu was saying today, basically saying he won't recognize a Palestinian state. We know he doesn't sit on a two-state solution. Then
where does this recognition take you? What would you like to see at this point?
Because as you heard from the president, President Trump last week next to Prime Minister Starmer, they have their differences. How does this move the
needle at all to bring an end to this conflict?
ZOMLOT: Go back to history, see all other nations who have gone through what we have gone through. Look how it all started with the people, with
the public opinion. Remember what Jim just said about the U.S. public?
SOARES: Yes, of course.
ZOMLOT: And he is right. Spot on. The U.S. public is changing, things are things are changing. It is not at the policy level, but at the politics
level, it is tectonic shifts in the U.S., not only in the Democratic side, but also in the Republican side and we see the changes in the components of
the U.S., of the American society. This is a long conversation, so --
SOARES: We don't have much long.
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ZOMLOT: Yes. That's why this is a long conversation. But that change is coming. It is arriving. That change -- at the base going to the parliaments
and the governments here in Europe, there in the U.S. and you know, the main -- the very main thing here is that the U.S. always late. Remember
South Africa and the anti-apartheid movement? The last was the Reagan administration.
But then when the world comes, when the people of the world comes, when the governments of the world come, when the people of the U.S. come, the U.S.
administration follow. We hope that is not going to take much longer.
SOARES: As Macron said, the time for peace has come. Let's hope that's the case for everyone.
Ambassador, always great to see you. Thanks very much. Thanks for coming on.
We have a very busy hour of news as you can imagine. We have been following some breaking news we've had in the last, what, 30 minutes? I would say.
Disney says the comedian, Jimmy Kimmel will return to ABC's late night lineup, and it will happen on Tuesday. Kimmel was suspended indefinitely
last week following his comments about the murder of Charlie Kirk. Disney released a statement saying in part: "We have spent the last days having
thoughtful conversations with Jimmy, and after those conversations, we reached the decision to return the show on Tuesday."
Sara Fischer is with me now.
So, Sara, just give us a bit more context. I mean, what more do we know? How much pressure did Disney stars actually have -- the boycotting have
over this?
SARA FISCHER, CNN SENIOR MEDIA ANALYST: I think it did have a lot of pressure. We know that Jimmy Kimmel and Disney had been negotiating for the
past few days. Jimmy Kimmel has not made any public comments since his show was suspended. But just this morning, over 400 very prominent actors,
celebrities and musicians signed a letter with the ACLU pressuring Disney over the issue.
You also had a few celebrities over the past weekend say that they were canceling their Disney+ subscriptions, including Cynthia Nixon and Howard
Stern. And on top of that, you had a bunch of policy makers, including Republicans that the FCC was wrong to even pressure ABC in the first place.
So I think all of that combined put Disney in a place where it needed to figure something out quickly.
The question becomes, what will Jimmy Kimmel say when he returns to air on Tuesday? Remember, he originally wanted to give an apology. Disney felt
awkward, and it didn't feel comfortable putting him out there so soon after the remarks. Are they going to let him have free reign when he goes to his
show tomorrow? I am waiting to see.
SOARES: Yes, exactly. And it also begs the question, was this Disney caving here, or was this part of the conversations that were happening behind-the-
scenes, that I suspect we do not know at this moment -- Sara.
FISCHER: I think that Disney always wanted to bring him back. The question for me was always whether or not Kimmel would take a deal to come back, and
it was humiliating. It goes against everything that a comedian stands for with free speech. But clearly there is a trusted relationship there.
You know, Jimmy Kimmel has been with them for well over a decade. He is trusted as one of their spokespeople during Disney's annual advertising
presentation. So he clearly wanted to come back. And I am really curious to see moving forward, what does this mean for his show? Are the standards
going to change? Will Disney now have a part in approving things that he says? The answer is I hope not.
But after what happened with this last Charlie Kirk incident, I just don't know.
SOARES: Yes, look, it has certainly been, Sara, pretty damaging if we look at share price for Disney. I think, they lost, what -- $4.4 billion since
Kimmel was taken off the air. I mean, money talks, doesn't it?
FISCHER: It does. There is this really interesting tension between short term and long term and the short term, Disney was saying that they were
getting tons of complaints, not just from viewers, but also from their affiliates and you know how we know that those complaints are real? Is that
the Australian Broadcasting Corporation, with the same acronym, ABC, said that, hey, we are getting all of these complaints from people who think
that we are ABC. So we know that those complaints were real.
In the short term, I could see why Disney would want to address them. The problem is, in the long term, you as a viewer, as a consumer of ABC
content, you want to know that that is genuine, authentic content, right? That your news isn't being manipulated, that your comedians aren't being
censored.
And so this has a long term reputational damage aspect to it to Disney. I am glad that Disney took action quickly, but time will tell. I am sure
there will be many case studies and surveys that come out about this incident to see whether or not this impacts Disney long term.
SOARES: Indeed, we will see exactly like you said, Sara, how much freedom he has, right, when he goes on air tomorrow. We haven't heard yet from the
President who has had quite a few words to say regarding Kimmel. Thank you very much, Sara. Really appreciate it.
FISCHER: Thank you.
SOARES: Now, we are going to stay in the United States. Thank you.
Chipmaker, NVIDIA teams up with OpenAI in a $100 billion deal. How the companies hope the agreement could change the future of artificial
intelligence. That's next on QUEST MEANS BUSINESS.
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SOARES: We are awaiting an announcement from The White House concerning autism in children. Donald Trump is expected to link the development of the
condition with the use of the pain reliever, Tylenol during pregnancy. So basically, paracetamol.
Tylenol's maker says there is no credible link between the drug and autism.
Viktor Ahlqvist is a post-doctoral fellow at Karolinska Institute and joins me now from Stockholm. Viktor, welcome to the show. We are waiting to hear,
so if I have to interrupt, apologies in advance.
But first of all, what do you make, Viktor of the link that the U.S. suggesting potentially that we are likely to hear from them soon between
Tylenol and autism in that kind of prenatal period? Does the data you have seen suggest this?
VIKTOR AHLQVIST, POST-DOCTORAL FELLOW, KAROLINSKA INSTITUTE: The data that I've seen does not suggest that paracetamol causes autism, and there has
been a variety of types of studies on this question. We performed one of the largest study where we looked at 2.5 million children in Sweden, and we
could not see that, we could not find strong evidence to suggest that paracetamol would cause autism. So it is frankly quite surprising if the
administration would come out and make this claim.
SOARES: Can you speak to your study exactly what you found? How many -- you said 2.5 million children, right? Can you give us more information on that?
AHLQVIST: Yes, so in Sweden we have -- in Sweden we have a national health service which enables us to connect together health records for the entire
population and during antenatal visits in Sweden, mothers had self-reported their consumptions of paracetamol or acetaminophen and we were able to link
this to the children's outcome and follow 2.5 million children.
What was unique about our study was that we were also able to compare siblings born to the same mother. So in one of the pregnancies, the mother
used paracetamol and one of the other pregnancies she did not, and by doing that, you could then compare the risk between these matched siblings and
get a very elegant answer to whether paracetamol increases the risk of these neurodevelopmental conditions and we find evidence that it does not.
SOARES: That is really interesting hearing that evidence and also comparing between siblings, that is crucial. But let me just put this to you because
it seems that autism is on the rise in the United States. This is from according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Report
that they published in April. They said about one in every 31 children was diagnosed with autism by age eight in 2022, up from one in 36 in 2020.
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Do you have a sense? This obviously relates only to the United States, but does this correlate with are you seeing? Why do you think we are seeing a
rise?
AHLQVIST: So, we're seeing the same thing in Sweden. But it's important to emphasize here that we don't think that this is a rise in autism. This is a
rise in the diagnosis of autism, and this is because we are more aware of autism today. Parents are more aware, clinicians are more aware.
Also, we have expanded the diagnostic criteria for autism to include more people.
So, just by these changes, we would expect an increase in the diagnosis when people have looked at if symptoms have changed through time, they have
not. So, we have not seen evidence of an increase in autism. We see an increase in the diagnosis of autism.
SOARES: That is such an important distinction that you are making. I think that is important for our viewers.
Of course, when we hear the announcement, the president saying it was going to be an amazing announcement. But very quickly, before we go, when you
hear then the U.S. potentially linking those two things, paracetamol, right, with autism, is this -- is this science do you think, or is this
just pure reckless politics?
AHLQVIST: I think it's speculation on behalf of the administration, and I think it is sort of pointing your fingers at mothers who are already afraid
that they might have caused some harm to their children, when we have definitely no evidence to suggest that that is the fact.
You could cherry pick the evidence and try to build together a narrative, but that's not how science works.
SOARES: Such an important point. Viktor, thank you very much for coming on the show. Really appreciate it.
AHLQVIST: Thank you for having me.
SOARES: Thank you. And of course, we will bring that to you when the announcement is made and dissected, as we always do here on the show.
Now, coffee prices in U.S. are soaring at speeds not seen in almost two decades. As Trump's tariffs take effect, we'll see how exporters in Brazil
are coping. We'll take you live to Sao Paulo next.
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SOARES: Welcome back. Chip maker Nvidia is teaming up with OpenAI in a landmark partnership aimed at fueling the growth of artificial
intelligence. As part of the deal, Nvidia will invest up to $100 billion in OpenAI and provide it with data center chips. Nvidia stock rose on their
word of that agreement, almost up almost seven percent. Look at that.
Clare Duffy is with me now. And Clare, I mean, this partnership is being described as monumental. What more do we know about this?
CLARE DUFFY, CNN TECH WRITER: Yes, Isa, you have two of the giants in the A.I. industry who are now sort of tying their futures together with this
deal.
Look, OpenAI has talked a lot about its desire to build out more A.I. data centers as it continues to advance its technology. The company now hoping
to build out data centers that require 10 gigawatts of power, that according to Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang, is going to require four to five
million GPU chips.
So, this is a massive undertaking, and it's going to be expensive. So, this investment from Nvidia is going to support OpenAI's ability to continue
investing and building out this data center infrastructure.
This deal is going to involve two separate but interrelated transactions. OpenAI will be paying in cash for Nvidia chips, and then in video is going
to be investing in OpenAI for non-controlling shares of the company.
Nvidia's first $10 billion investment in OpenAI is expected to be completed when the two companies agree on an initial transaction for OpenAI to
purchase these chips, and then they'll progressively build up to that $100 billion mark.
And this is a really interesting transaction, right? For OpenAI, it is going to, I think, help the company as it continues to distance itself from
partner Microsoft, which has provided a lot of the company's computing power up until this point, and then for Nvidia, this just further
solidifies the fact that this is the company that is the leading provider of A.I. chips into the future, as we have these two big players looking out
at what will come down the road as they're building out this A.I. technology, Isa. And I think that's why you saw in video stock jumping
there about four percent on this news.
SOARES: Clare, appreciate it. Thank you very much indeed.
Now, we are getting this, it's in the United States because we are getting an idea of how TikTok will keep operating in the U.S. before a deal gets
the final seal of approval from Beijing. If everything goes according to plan, the app's algorithm will be operated in U.S. and overseen by Oracle.
A senior White House official share the news a short while ago, essentially TikTok's U.S. operations and a copy of its powerful algorithm will get
transferred to a new joint venture Oracle. Of course, a giant, as you all know, over the I.T. industry and Silver Lake, a private equity firm, are
just some on the investors on the list.
Let's go straight to Allison Morrow. And Allison, you know, there were major questions, and our viewers will know this over algorithm and the
security risk. What we know then about this new decision to have Oracle control it, what will you learn in this hour?
ALLISON MORROW, CNN BUSINESS SENIOR WRITER: Yes, so the algorithm was always kind of the big mystery, and this ongoing, you know, many years long
saga to figure out the ownership structure of TikTok in the United States, and the reason is because it's proprietary software built by a Chinese
company, and it obviously wants to protect its I.P.
And meanwhile, the U.S. is concerned about national security implications of Chinese company having that much access to user data.
So, the idea is that TikTok will kind of cleave off a copy of the algorithm and hand it to Oracle, and Oracle will be kind of the safe keeper of that
algorithm in the United States, just with U.S. assets.
SOARES: Allison, thank you very much for breaking up. Very busy hour this hour. Thank you, Allison, good to see you.
DUFFY: Good to see you.
SOARES: Now, some U.S. lawmakers want to exempt coffee from President Trump's tariffs to help bring down its costs. People in the U.S. are paying
20 percent more for coffee compared to last year. That is the largest annual increase since 1997. The U.S. imports nearly all of its coffee. A
third of it used to come from Brazil, before, of course, Trump slapped a 50 percent tariff on Brazilian goods.
Marcos Matos, the CEO of Cecafe, the Brazilian coffee exporters Council. He joins me now from Sao Paulo. Matos, welcome to the show.
You know, coffee producers, clearly, as we outlined there, having to live with this 50 percent tariff for just over a month now. Can you give us a
sense of what the stage of the industry and what you are seeing and what conversations you are having right now Matos?
MARCOS MATOS, CEO, CECAFE: Thank you very much for this opportunity. In fact, we are suffering a lot with a 50 percent tariff. USA is the biggest
coffee consumer in the world. It's important to mention 25.5 million bags in Brazil accounts for more than 30 percent of this market Brazil. It's
making Brazil its leaders supplier.
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In August, when we started the day 60, the tariffs. United States is not the biggest impact for Brazilian coffee, it's the second position.
Nowadays, the first position, it's from Germany.
So, the tariff is caused a lot of impacts in Brazil, but actually cause the whole world, because the prices have been increasing a lot. Take the ICE,
the Intercontinental Exchange, the Arabica coffee in July 31st. Sorry?
SOARES: Yes, no, I was going to ask you, you were giving us a break down. Go ahead, Matos. Go ahead, Matos.
MATOS: Yes, that's interesting, because in doing New York, the benchmark for the global Arabica Coffee C contract. It was $0.284 per bag. 31st July,
when they announced the executive order.
Nowadays, it's $0.307 per pound. It's almost 35 percent more. And of course, the consumers suffers a lot as well, because we have a lot of
characteristic attributes and scale those coffee because 76 percent of U.S. population consuming cost --
SOARES: Marcos, let me get in there. Let me get in there, much very quickly, because we've only got about 90 seconds left on the show.
But I just want to ask you, what alternatives then, you know, coffee producers been looking for, what are the -- how are they absorbing all
these costs?
MATOS: Our first priority is to find a way to become coffee exempted on the list. Now, coffee is recognized as an available natural resource in the
last -- in the executive order in September, it's in Annex three.
But we depend on the bilateral negotiation, a final trade agreement.
But there is a field bill that's just presented by the both parties, and the exact coffee, all kinds of coffee, green coffee, soluble coffee,
roasted coffee, except zero tariffs. But it's not maybe to be approved, but to create effect, to encourage Trump administration to careful analyze the
extinction from tariffs for Brazilian coffee, because the great economic impact on the U.S. companies.
SOARES: Marcos, and you know, very I don't know what conversations you're having, but do you have a sense of how many coffee growers are deciding to
call it quits, going bust, because this is an incredibly difficult environment?
MATOS: Actually, we export to 150 countries. We are focused more in Europe and Asia, but it's not what we want, because the market the ICO brands in
America, it's come from USA. We prioritize the bilateral negotiations moment in the set list.
I think the most problem now is the contracts for the short term and the middle term, because we are postponing the contracts for the next year in
expectations that you can find a way to solve this. 1.2 percent of the U.S. GDP is related to the coffee sector. The coffee shop is the supermarket, is
the brand, is the consumers.
So, it's a lot, over 2.2 million jobs in the United States. So, the economic agenda is the common sense. Let's focus on this fact.
SOARES: And Marcos, you mentioned President Trump. We know -- our viewers well know President Trump and President Lula da Silva have had a pretty
tense relationship, particularly since the conviction, of course, of the former president Jair Bolsonaro. Do you -- do you see a tari -- a deal on
the tariffs on the horizon? Or is this life now for producers?
MATOS: For us, it's very difficult because the prerogative is from the government to make a deal, and we're trying to help in how to open the
dialog. It's so difficult because of that, we hope that as an available natural resource, we can be an extension list without a final agreement,
that's the strategy.
But as a private sector, we keep trying to open a dialog, because we are both countries. Very important for both countries, the dialog, the
agreement.
SOARES: Yes, and how hopeful are you that, you know, you being listened to, specifically when it comes to President Lula da Silva, do you think he's
prepared to enter into dialog? Because the conversation between both governments hasn't been very gentle, has it?
MATOS: Yes, we have been forming all the time the economic impacts, the agenda. How to prioritize this agenda for -- especially for our vice
president, Geraldo Alckmin, he's on charge with our committee to deal with the tariffs, that situation that we are have been living.
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But as I mentioned, as private sector, we are trying to influence and create a good environment. It's very difficult to predict. Everything here
is unpredictable.
SOARES: That's the world of politics, Marcos, really appreciate it. Marcos Matos there from Sao Paulo. Thank you, Marcos.
Now, I want to show you these images coming to us from the White House, if we can bring them up for you, because we are waiting for an announcement
from the White House, as we told you in the show earlier, concerning autism in children. President Donald Trump is expected to link to development of
the condition with the use of the pain relief Tylenol, that's paracetamol during pregnancy. Tylenol's maker said there's no credible link between the
drug and autism. We'll, of course, waiting for here -- to hear from that.
In meantime, we have Dr. Craig Spencer, Associate Professor of Public Health at Brown University joining me. Doctor, appreciate you being with
us. Apologies in advance if I have to interject as we wait to hear from the president.
But first of all, you know this announcement we're likely to hear the next few moments tying Tylenol to autism. Any data to suggest that is the case?
The scientific data behind this from what you gather.
DR. CRAIG SPENCER, ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR OF PUBLIC HEALTH, AT BROWN UNIVERSITY: Well, thanks for having me and talking about this, because I'm
really curious as well to hear what data they're going to come with today. This is not a new issue. People have been talking about a potential --
SOARES: Doctor, apology to -- apology to interrupt. We're about to hear it, let's have a listen.
DONALD TRUMP, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: So, I've been waiting for this meeting for 20 years, actually. And it's not that everything's a
hundred percent understood or known, but I think we've made a lot of strides. Wish it was done a long time ago.
Today, we're delighted to be joined by America's top medical and public health professionals as we announce historic steps to confront the crisis
of autism. Horrible, horrible crisis.
I want to thank the man who brought this issue to the forefront of American politics, along with me, and we actually met in my office. Is it like 20
years ago, Bobby? It's probably 20 years ago in New York. I was a developer, as you probably heard, I always had very strong feelings about
autism and how it happened and where it came from.
And he and I, I don't know, the word got out, and I wouldn't say that people were very understanding of where we were, but it's turning out that
we understood a lot more than a lot of people who studied it, we think. And I say we think, because I don't think they were really letting the public
know what they knew.
Thanks as well to the director of the National Institute of Health, Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, FDA Commissioner Dr. Marty Makary. These are great people,
Administrator of the Centers for Medicine and Medicaid Services, Dr. Mehmet Oz and Acting Assistant Secretary of HHS, Dr. Dorothy Fink, so thank you
all. Thank you, Dorothy, very much.
The meteoric rise in autism is among the most alarming public health developments in history. There's never been anything like this.
Just a few decades ago, one in 10,000 children had autism. So, that's not a long time. And I've always heard, you know, they say a few, but I think
it's a lot less time than that. Used to be one in 20,000, then one in 10,000, and I would say that's probably 18 years ago, and now it's one in
31 but in some areas, it's much worse than that, if you can believe it, one in 31. And I gave numbers yesterday for boys, it's one in 12. I was told
that's in California, where they have a, for some reason, a more severe problem.
But whether it's one in 12 or one in 31, can you imagine? That's down from one in 20,000 and one in 10,000 and now we're at the level of one in 12, in
some cases, for boys, one in 31 overall.
So, since, 2,000 autism rates have surged by much more than 400 percent. Instead of attacking those who ask questions, everyone should be grateful
for those who are trying to get the answers to this complex situation.
And the first day, all of these great doctors behind me were there. I told him, this is what we got. We have to find out. Because when you go from
20,000 to 10,000 and then you go to 12, you know there's something artificial. They're taking something.
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And by the way, I think I can say that there are certain groups of people that don't take vaccines and don't take any pills that have no autism, that
have no autism. Does that tell you something that's currently -- is that a correct statement, by the way?
ROBERT F. KENNEDY JR., U.S. SECRETARY OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES: There are some studies that suggest that, yes, with the Amish, for example.
TRUMP: The Amish, yes, virtually, I had no -- I heard none. See Bobby wants to be very careful with what he says, and he should, but I'm not so careful
with what I say. But you have certain groups, the Amish as an example, they have essentially no autism.
First, effective immediately, the FDA will be notifying physicians at the use of -- I said, well, let's see how we say that, acetaminophen, is that
OK? Which is basically commonly known as Tylenol during pregnancy, can be associated with a very increased risk of autism.
So, taking Tylenol is not good. I'll say it, it's not good. For this reason they are strongly recommending that women limit Tylenol use during
pregnancy unless medically necessary. That's for instance, in cases of extremely high fever that you feel you can't tough it out, you can't do it.
I guess there's that. It's a small number of cases, I think.
But if you can't tough it out, if you can't do it, that's what you're going to have to do. You'll take a Tylenol, but it'll be very sparingly. Can be
something that's very dangerous to the woman's health, in other words, a fever that's very, very dangerous, and ideally, a doctor's decision,
because I think you shouldn't take it and you shouldn't take it during the entire pregnancy. They may tell you that toward the end of the pregnancy,
you shouldn't take it during the entire -- and you shouldn't give the child the Tylenol every time he goes, he's born, he goes and has a shot. You
shouldn't give a Tylenol to that child.
All pregnant women should talk to their doctors for more information about limiting the use of this medication while pregnant.
So, ideally, you don't take it at all, but if you have to, if you can't tough it out, if there's a problem, you're going to end up doing it.
The other thing that I can tell you that I'll say that they will maybe say at a little bit later today, but I think when you go for the shot, you do
it over a five time period, take it over five times or four times, but you take it in smaller doses, and you spread it out over a period of years, and
they pump so much stuff into those beautiful little babies. It's a disgrace. I don't see it. I don't -- I think it has -- I think it's very
bad. They're pumping -- it looks like they're pumping into a horse. You have a little child, little fragile child, and you get a vat of 80
different vaccines, I guess, 80 different blends, and they pump it in.
So, ideally, a woman won't take Tylenol and on the vaccines, it would be good instead of one visit where they pump the baby, you load it up with
stuff. You do it over a period of four times or five times. I was -- I mean, I've been so into this issue for so many years, just because I
couldn't understand how a thing like this could happen.
And, you know, it's artificially induced. It's not like something that when you -- when you go from all of those, you know, healthy babies to a point
where I don't even know structurally if a country can afford it, and that's the least of the problems to have families destroyed over this is just so,
so terrible.
I also -- and we've already done this, we want no mercury in the vaccine. We want no aluminum in the vaccine. The MMR, I think, should be taken
separately. This is based on what I feel the mumps, measles and the three should be taken separately.
And it seems to be that when you mix them, there could be a problem. So, there's no downside in taking them separately. In fact, they think it's
better, so let it be separate.
The chicken pox is already separate, because when that got mixed in, I guess they made it four for a while, it really was bad. So, they make
chicken pox.
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Individually, they're OK. When you mix them, something maybe happens. So, there's no downside in doing it. It's not like, oh, if you do it, bad
things, no, it's only good side, and it may not have that much of an impact, but it may have a big impact. So, let those be taken separately.
And then, Hepatitis B is sexually transmitted. There's no reason to give a baby that's almost just born hepatitis B. So, I would say, wait until the
baby is 12 years old and formed, and take hepatitis B. And I think if you do those things, it's going to be a whole different -- it's going to be a
revolution in a positive sense, in the country.
The FDA will be updating the label of an existing drug to reflect potential benefits in reducing some autism symptoms. This gives hope to the many
parents with autistic children that it may be possible to improve their lives.
That's one of the things that I'm very, very happy about. I mean, this was mostly going to be on how not to have the child affected, but we've learned
some pretty good things about certain elements of genius that can be given to a baby, and the baby can get better.
And in some cases, may be substantially better. Not going to be easy, but be a lot easier if it didn't happen in the first place as these great
parents fully understand, right? They fully understand, I feel so terribly firm. I have so many friends with autistic children, it's just it's a tough
situation.
Finally, to help reach the ultimate goal of ending the autism. FEMA, the NIH will be announcing 13 major grant awards from the autism data science
initiatives. And to be honest with you, to me, that's the least important. It's not even a money thing at this point. There's so much money, but they
have to do and they have to move quickly.
They -- when the alternative is that nothing bad can happen. Let's do it now. I was just saying to Bobby and the group, let's do it now. Nothing bad
can happen. It can only good happen.
But with Tylenol, don't take it. Don't take it. And if you can't live, if your fever is so bad, you have to take one, because there's no alternative
to that. Sadly, first question, what can you take instead? It's actually, there's not an alternative to that.
And as you know, other of the medicines are absolutely proven bad. I mean, they've been proven bad with the aspirins and the Advils and others, right?
And they've been proven bad.
So, I'd like to ask Bobby to get up to the podium and say a few words, and then Dr. Bhattacharya and Dr. Makary, Dr. Oz, Dr. Fink, followed by two
incredible mothers that have experienced firsthand what this country is going through, what parts of the world are going through.
And I will say there are parts of the world that don't take Tylenol. I mean, there's a rumor, and I don't know if it's so or not that Cuba, they
don't have Tylenol because they don't have the money for Tylenol, and they have virtually no autism. OK, tell me about that one.
And there are other parts of the world where they don't have Tylenol, where they don't have autism. That tells you a lot.
And I want to say it right now. And you know, the way I look at it, don't take it. Don't take it. There's no downside in not taking it.
So, I'd like to ask Bobby to come up and say a few words. I hope I didn't ruin his day. But that's the way I feel. I've been very strong on the
subject for a long time.
You know, life is common sense too, and there's a lot of common sense in this. And I wish things like this were brought up, and this group has
worked so hard on it, but I'd like to be a little bit more -- a little speedier in the process of a recommendation, because there's no harm in
going quicker. There's absolutely no harm. At worst, there's no harm.
Thank you very much, Bobby, please.
KENNEDY JR.: Thank you, Mr. President.
To meet the President's challenge, I ordered HHS to launch an unprecedented all agency effort to identify all cause of autism, including toxic and
pharmaceutical exposures.
At President Trump's urging, NIH, FDA, CDC and CMS are turning over every stone to identify the ideology of the autism epidemic and how patients and
parents can prevent and reverse this alarming trend.
We have broken down the traditional silos that have long separated these agencies, and we have fast tracked research and guidance.
Historically, NIH has focused almost solely on politically safe and entirely fruitless research about the genetic drivers of autism. And that
would be like studying the genetic drivers of lung cancer without looking at cigarettes, and that's what NIH has been doing for 20 years.
As a result, we don't have an answer to this critical question despite the cataclysmic impact of the epidemic on our nation's children. We are now
replacing -- we are now replacing the institutional culture of politicized science and corruption with evidence based medicine.
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