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Leaders Weigh Trade War Impact on Global Economy; Geopolitical Disruption and Tariffs Shift Trade Patterns; Zelenskyy Warns of A.I.-Fueled Global Arms Race. One-On-One With Botswana's President Duma Boko; 1 Detainee Killed, 2 Wounded In Shooting At Dallas Ice Office; Kimmel Makes Emotional Return After Suspension. Aired 4-5p ET

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RICHARD QUEST, CNN INTERNATIONAL HOST, "QUEST MEANS BUSINESS": Closing bell ringing on Wall Street. The market is lower. S&P Global ringing the closing

bell. It is down midweek session as you can see from the Dow.

We had seen some green at the start of the session and with the closing bell, one and two and oh dear! Very tepid. I think that's the word to

describe today's gavels, tepid gavels as trading comes to an end. A bifurcated session up in the morning, down in the afternoon. Those are the

markets and these are the main events that we are talking about.

The head of the world trade organization tells me the global trade system is battered but not broken.

The U.S. signals it is ready to offer Argentina a $20 billion financial lifeline. The Managing Director of the IMF, Kristalina Georgieva, welcomes

it.

And diamond prices are losing their sparkle. The President of Botswana with me tonight and how plunging prices affect his economy and why he wants a

controlling interest in DeBeers.

Put it all together, we are live from New York in a packed program, Wednesday, September 24th. I am Richard Quest and yes, with sparkling

diamonds, I mean business.

Good evening.

Tonight, resilience in the face of change from all directions. That's how some of the most powerful figures in the world's finance described the

state of the global economy.

Nearly six months into Donald Trump's second term and the ignition of the global trade war and the leaders are here, of course, for UNGA, as it is

known, the United Nations General Assembly.

On this program, you're going to hear from the Director General of the World Trade Organization, the Managing Director of the IMF, and the

chairman of one of the world's largest ports operators, DP World will be with us to put that all into perspective.

Let's begin with trade and the World Trade Organization.

Now, you might have thought that after all the actions of the U.S. administration unilateral in some cases, bilateral in others, not a hint of

multilateral through the WTO that the organization might be in poor shape.

Well, Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala says that the global trading system may have been battered, but it is still resilient despite all the U.S. tariffs that have

been imposed.

I asked the Director General how much of that damage has been caused by the Trump administration.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

NGOZI OKONJU-IWEALA, DIRECTOR-GENERAL, WORLD TRADE ORGANIZATION: Certainly, the unilateral actions of the U.S. course, the most tremendous disruption

to global trading rules that we've seen in 80 years, but based on the evidence and the fact we have, yes, it has disrupted global trade, but we

have found through our analysis that still, 72 percent of world trade -- goods trade is taking place on WTO terms, which means that the global

trading system, 72 percent of it is still based on global rules.

So, yes, the system has been battered. It has been bent, but there is a stable core that is still resilient.

QUEST: Do you fear a creeping encroachment that more countries will try to impose, if you will, a unilateral or a bilateral relationship instead of

multilateral?

OKONJU-IWEALA: Actually, what we are seeing is the opposite. Suddenly, most WTO members are realizing how valuable the system is. You know, trade was

never a sexy topic. Now people are turning around and saying, this really matters.

We really value predictability and stability for our businesses to trade in.

QUEST: Are you seeing a rewiring of trade relations?

OKONJU-IWEALA: Absolutely. All our members are doing something we think is very good, which is trying to diversify their markets. We are certainly

seeing that south-south trade is now very important. It was 10 percent in the 1990s, you know, now it is 25 percent of total trade, so that is

growing.

We see all countries making efforts to diversify and we support it.

Richard, there is one thing I do want to say. Some of the criticisms made by the U.S. are valid. We think that this system was made for

interdependence, and it has become overdependent in certain respects. There is overdependence on the U.S. for markets. In some instances, like you just

said, there is also overdependence on China in some instances for critical mineral supplies.

We need to diversify and explore other markets, and our members are doing that.

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QUEST: Do you see a role for the WTO?

OKONJU-IWEALA: Absolutely. I just told you, we are at the center of world trade, 72 percent of world trade --

QUEST: But I just worry --

OKONJU-IWEALA: -- takes place on WTO terms.

QUEST: But I worry that, you know, the game Jenga, where you pull bits out and eventually the whole thing collapses.

OKONJU-IWEALA: It is not happening. Let me just give you an example. Just recently, last week, a coalition of 14 members led by Singapore, by

Iceland, by New Zealand and by UAE came together, brought together 14 countries and said, look, we are middle powers. We value the system so

much.

QUEST: If we look at the disputes mechanism, which has been well and truly frozen for some years, can you see any way that that unfreezes.

OKONJU-IWEALA: Richard, I have news for you. As we speak, there are 15 cases in front of the Dispute Settlement System. So this idea that it is

frozen, it is not working, it is not quite true. The upper body, it is the only court in the world that does trade -- the cases on trade globally --

the upper part, upper body, the appellate body, yes, is paralyzed, but the lower body has been working and has 15 cases and members are actually being

quite creative in the ways that they -- when the panel gives a judgment, then if they want to appeal instead of appealing, because that will go into

the void they've now developed mechanisms -- mediation, arbitration -- to try and sort out the cases.

And this is what the U.S. was complaining about, that the place had become too litigious and members need to talk more to each other. Well, they are

doing it.

But look, I want to tell you one thing. There is a place where you have a point when you say 72 percent, you know, are you afraid that it might

crater? The fear that I have is that we shouldn't be complacent just because we see a stable core, because we are dealing with uncertainty for

the next three years. And that means we need to reform.

Status quo is not an option. WTO must have deep reforms. And I have a very important thing to tell you. Yesterday, China announced that it would no

longer have access to the preferences that a developing country member at the WTO has access to. That is big news because it opens the door for

reform.

China is not saying it is not a developing country. At the WTO being developing incur certain privileges.

QUEST: So they're giving them up.

OKONJU-IWEALA: They are giving up their privileges. They can't remain a developing country. That's the name, but the privileges it leads to at the

WTO, they are giving up. And I think that's major for the reform, because it is one of the things we want to deal with.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

QUEST: Now, that's the Director General of the World Trade Organization, the chairman of DP World says that as far as his company is concerned,

global trade is shifting, not slowing very much along the lines that you've just been hearing about. New shifts bringing new opportunities.

DP World is one of the world's largest port operators. It runs Dubai's Jebel Ali Free Zone, which links Asia markets with Africa, Europe and the

Americas. Revenue was up 20 percent during the first half of the year. It is spending $2.5 billion to improve its port and other facilities.

Sultan Ahmed Bin Sulayem is the Chair and Chief Exec of DP World. The chairman is with me now.

Sir, it is good to see you. You were listening just then to what Ngozi was saying and there is this shift.

Now, obviously, the first part of the year was biased because people were getting things in before tariff deadlines came into play. Do you see the

rest of the year continuing with that strong demand?

SULTAN AHMED BIN SULAYEM, CHAIR AND CHIEF EXECUTIVE, DP WORLD: Yes, Richard, the world has contracted in trade during COVID and we are just

recovering from it. We see growth in our business around the world. U.K. is almost four percent in the first six months of this year. We are building a

terminal called Terminal 5 and it has already committed and now, we have to build another terminal called Terminal 6 just to cope with the trade in

U.K.

QUEST: So what about this idea that the U.S., with its tariffs, is remaking the global trading system, or at least trying to and we have seen the

volume of trade which is -- but it is more -- it is more sophisticated than that isn't it. It is different trade routes that are growing.

SULAYEM: Let me tell you, the United States is negotiating a fair trade. It is the largest trading economy in the world, and they don't feel they are

being treated fairly around the world, and whatever you see about tariffs, it is just a negotiation -- negotiating a deal.

At the end, whoever is negotiating will come to the middle part where both would agree that this is the right one. We haven't reached that yet.

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QUEST: Do you see much more disruption? The Director General says, you know, battered but not beaten, which is similar to what you're telling me,

but do you see much more disruption coming down the road?

SULAYEM: Disruption for us is opportunities. I am telling you, trade --

QUEST: In what way?

SULAYEM: Well, we are everywhere in the world. Wherever it goes, yes, it will grow more in another area. We've seen trade in Africa growing like you

wouldn't believe. We see in India growing. You know, we see markets in the Far East growing. We see the Middle East.

Look at the Middle East today. Turkey is going to have big growth because there is no more war where Syria was. Syria is growing. We just started a

port in Syria.

QUEST: You see, this is something because I think we've been so focused on the U.S. and the tariffs that these other growing stories, perhaps of Mr.

Spy on a daily basis, but you're saying they are there and I am thinking particularly about intra-African trade and as you say, new countries like

Syria.

SULAYEM: Absolutely. The media is maybe nervous about what is happening, we are not. We see growth in Brazil. Imagine we had a port where we expanded

and we were worried who is going to come, and now we have no space. We have to find more space.

QUEST: So where are you? Where are you putting your eggs?

SULAYEM: Today, I see the Middle East growth. I see India definitely, a lot of growth. I see Latin America, especially Brazil and even the pacific side

of Latin America. With the growth I see, Indonesia is growth.

The Far East, Richard, they cannot even cope with the demand of their own internal market, be it China or Indonesia.

QUEST: What about the various regional, serious wars like, for example, the Red Sea, the Cape, places where that has become extremely difficult and

added considerable costs for shippers. Has that abated much or is that still very much prevalent?

SULAYEM: Whoever goes through the Red Sea goes through the same coast. So the cost is not one shipping is paying less. Everybody is paying the same.

And when there is a high cost on everybody, everybody is dealing with it, that's what we do and what we did, we found different routes.

Like if I have a consignment going to Europe or go to Uzbekistan through the Black Sea, you know, through maybe our port in Constanta, Romania, I

will take it through Karachi and then take it by road through Afghanistan or Iran into -- so I can do that between Karachi and Warsaw for about seven

days or ten days, sorry. Uzbekistan is eight days and Warsaw is ten days.

We had to find new routes and that's what we've been doing.

QUEST: When we talk about A.I. and how A.I. -- obviously, A.I. is being used by you and shippers for maximum efficiency, but how far do you think

we've got in the use of A.I. because the logistics, it always strikes me that ports and shipping is absolutely perfect for A.I.'s if you will,

efficiency rigor.

SULAYEM: Let me tell you, it is the backbone of our economy, the backbone of business today.

QUEST: Really?

SULAYEM: Yes. Absolutely. Predictive analysis. You know, today not like before, if we predict something, we can test it by past experience and

that's where A.I. comes in. It gives you all the information you need to make better decisions about what you're going to do, whether its investment

or whether it is a new route, you want to get something from somewhere to somewhere and you're going to go, this route and you can really predict how

it is going to be and how fast it is going to be.

QUEST: You and I have talked many times about the supply chain issues, and they are still there, particularly in some key industries like aviation.

Do you still believe that there is a systemic supply chain problem, or has it worked itself out to some extent? Where are we on that supply chain

problem?

SULAYEM: Unfortunately, supply chain we tested it many times in many crises and it is fragile. It is weak. It is not sustainable and that is where we

invested a lot in logistics parks, in storage and distribution, in certain facilities, railroad shipping, coastal shipping just to make sure we can

bridge the links that has been broken.

Trade is sustainable. Trade will always happen. I don't care what any, you know, customs duty, increase whatever -- trade will find its way. But

unfortunately, 90 percent of trade goes on by sea and that is not sustainable and that is why we have to have multi-modal routes to get

something from A to B.

QUEST: So finally, in that environment, what is the most difficult part for you? Because you are investing billions and it is in the billions in port

facilities and infrastructure in often difficult countries where geopolitics plays a big role.

I mean, you're fortunate in a sense. You're based in a country that has had a great deal of stability in terms of politics and in terms of geopolitics,

but the other countries where you are operating is the opposite.

So what for you is the biggest systemic risk that you face?

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SULAYEM: We face these risks all the time. We are accustomed to it. And we are a company that is investing in long term. If we have a port concession

for 50 years, I am not going to worry about three months of a problem or two years of problem in the Red Sea. We will find a way and port business

is so isolated from the country that has a problem. Shipping line will come in, drop cargo, take some cargo and go.

QUEST: Chairman, thank you so much. What a great discussion on trade from both the WTO and from yourself. I am grateful, sir.

QUEST MEANS BUSINESS, as we continue the most destructive arms race in human history, that's what the Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has

said Russia has begun. The President used his U.N. address as a call to arms, literally urging Ukraine's allies to step up their military support

following a U-turn from one of the most important, the United States.

On Tuesday, you will know, of course, President Trump appeared to reverse previous demands for compromise, instead telling Ukraine to fight and win

back all its lost territory.

CNN's Kylie Atwood has been at the United Nations.

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KYLIE ATWOOD, CNN NATIONAL SECURITY CORRESPONDENT: The day after President Trump reversed his perspective on the path forward for Ukraine, President

Zelenskyy spoke here at the United Nations and told the countries that it is up to them whether or not there is peace in Ukraine or whether or not

they continue fueling Russia's war, essentially making the case that they need to stop importing from Russia.

We know that there are some European countries and of course, China and India, that continue to import Russian oil. He also said that Ukraine

continues to need support of its allies, that that is a major thing that is going to get them through this war and made the case that Ukraine can also

help the international community because they have developed weaponry that has been battle tested and has advanced, and they are in a position where

they can begin exporting that new weaponry to their allies around the world. That's an area for us to watch.

But when it comes to what is happening with the war in Gaza, we are also learning from Steve Witkoff, President Trump's Special Envoy for the Middle

East, that President Trump presented a 21-point plan to Arab, Muslim and Arab leaders from the region during a meeting on Tuesday. We are learning

that that is being discussed today again with Secretary of State Marco Rubio and many of the Foreign Ministers from those countries.

So it does appear that there is new momentum when it comes to trying to bring an end to the conflict in Gaza, but we will have to watch and see how

that all unfolds.

Kylie Atwood, CNN, the United Nations.

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QUEST: QUEST MEANS BUSINESS, the U.S. Federal Reserve is lowering interest rates cautiously, and the head of the IMF says the Central Bank is wise to

block out calls to move faster.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

KRISTALINA GEORGIEVA, MANAGING DIRECTOR, INTERNATIONAL MONETARY FUND: We have to trust what they do because credibility is, in fact, like the

interest rate, an instrument of Central Bank impact.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

QUEST: The IMF Managing Director, next.

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QUEST: The U.S. Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent has confirmed Washington is in talks with Argentina about providing a $20 billion swap line. The

Secretary says the U.S. is also prepared to purchase Argentina's dollar debt.

President Javier Milei is working to calm growing market crisis. Speaking at the United Nations, the President expressed solidarity with the Trump

administration without referencing the bailout.

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JAVIER MILEI, ARGENTINA'S PRESIDENT (through translator): Both Donald Trump and I know what we are doing in the face of these challenges. All of these

challenges have a common denominator, that all countries, including supranational organizations must address.

They must find a way of creating dividends for the future and not succumb to the temptation of dealing with the present.

We need to go back to our roots. We need to tackle the priorities first, and that needs to go hand in hand with the idea that you need to do what is

difficult, but right and prioritize over what is easy and comfortable.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

QUEST: Now, the head of the IMF, Kristalina Georgieva supports the U.S. efforts to help Argentina calm its financial crisis and get the country

back onto economic stability. I spoke to her about that, the state of the U.S. economy and changes at the IMF.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

GEORGIEVA: We have a $20 billion program with Argentina. As you know, Argentina is a fabulous potential country if only it can get its macro in

shape and this is what we are working towards. We welcome the U.S. helping Argentina. We welcome the world bank, the Inter-American Development Bank

coming with support. Why? Because the size of adjustment that needs to take place in Argentina is quite significant, bringing inflation down, keeping

it there, lifting economic activity, bringing poverty down -- all complex.

QUEST: Do you worry that the U.S. bilateral might not have the same conditionality that you would require?

GEORGIEVA: We have been in close contact with U.S. as they prepare their program. Their interests and our interests are aligned. The U.S. is the

largest shareholder at the IMF. What we want is to see Argentina staying the course to macro stabilization and sustaining good policies for long

enough to then be irreversible.

QUEST: Do you -- let's look at monetary policy. The President wants lower interest rates. The FOMC now looks like to be well, you know, the whole

Lisa Cook business, the whole this and that and the other. Do you think the U.S. warrants lower interest rates at the moment?

GEORGIEVA: What we are seeing in the U.S. is that labor market is softening somewhat, growth remains strong, but we expect towards the second half of

the year growth to soften. And in that environment, the Fed is right to look at the balance between inflation that is still going down and the

potential of the economy weakening to decide on interest rates.

We need to recognize that what we are worried about that tariffs can have a very significant inflationary impact is not happening. The impact is quite

mute and there are three reasons for that, Richard.

First nominal tariffs, 18 percent, but when you take all the exceptions, the effective tariffs, they are about nine percent, so 18 nominal, nine

effective tariffs.

Second it looks like companies, importers have space to absorb some of the tariffs.

QUEST: Double-edged sword.

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GEORGIEVA: At least for now, and three we need to remember, the U.S. imports only something like 13 percent to 14 percent, most of what people

consume is produced right here.

QUEST: So then we come to the question of the independence of the Central Bank, which I know you think is crucially important and would want to

reinforce that.

GEORGIEVA: Well, credibility of Central Banks have served the world very well. When we got into COVID, Central Banks eased their terms to provide

more monetary support for the economy then they had to tighten. We have to trust what they do because credibility is, in fact like the interest rate,

an instrument of Central Bank impact.

Youve appointed a new I think, the title is Deputy Managing Director.

GEORGIEVA: Deputy Managing Director, yes.

QUEST: It comes from the U.S. Treasury, extremely well qualified. I was reading his CV. Do you worry? It looks as though you're doing so to appease

the administration.

GEORGIEVA: I will tell you this, we have always had the largest shareholders represented in management. The Europeans are represented in

management. The Americans are represented. The Chinese are represented. The Japanese are represented and we have emerging markets representatives.

This has always been the case, and I can tell you that I very much look forward to Dan Katz joining us. He will bring new energy and a lot of

experience from three times of service in U.S. Treasury.

QUEST: Finally, climate change. There is no getting away from the fact. We can slice this any way we like. That there is now a major difference

between the view of the United States and the consensus of other nations.

How do you square this circle, or do we not?

GEORGIEVA: Look, we are institution dedicated to macroeconomic and financial stability. When floods and hurricanes and droughts affect

macroeconomic stability in some of our members, we have to pay attention to that.

And I can tell you, they expect us to pay attention to it.

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QUEST: Different countries around the world will tell you that they want to diversify their economies, whether it be from oil or agriculture, or in one

case, in the case of Botswana, it is from diamonds.

The sinking diamond prices has Botswana, one of the world's largest producers by value, looking for ways to increase demand and diversify the

economy. Now its natural stones, they've dropped about 40 percent from their peak. One of the main reasons, of course, is lab grown stones have

been getting some attraction. And that, of course, is a change.

Debswana, a joint venture between Botswana government and the DeBeers saw sale falls revenue nearly 50 percent attributed to the rising demand as I

say, for these other types and that is one of the reasons why Botswana is looking to take a controlling interest in DeBeers.

Botswana's President Duma Boko joins me now. Mr. President, good to see you, sir. Thank you.

This diversification from -- I mean, it is a double edged sword because on the one hand you want to diversify from you know, the diamond industry, but

at the same time, you're trying to take more than 50 percent stake in DeBeers, which would, in a sense, put you back into the same position. So

which is it?

DUMA BOKO, BOTSWANA'S PRESIDENT: Well, diversification for us is aimed at reducing the overreliance that we have had on diamonds over the years,

which has resulted in us being a mono-sectoral economy. We want to maintain our hold in the diamond sector. We want to strategically control the sector

and reform it as we go forward.

But we also diversify within the mining sector in Botswana, we have other minerals, we have rare earth minerals, we have an abundance of other

minerals which we haven't quite exploited, and one of the things that we are going to ensure we do is to process and beneficiate many of these

minerals in-country, create jobs and add value. This is what we are looking to do.

QUEST: That's an excellent, excellent idea for how not to repeat the mistakes of the past.

BOKO: Absolutely.

QUEST: In other words, if you're going to take the rare earth minerals out, make sure that the processing the value add is done in your country and not

somewhere else. That has to be key if it is going to give you the benefits you seek.

BOKO: It certainly is. It certainly is. That's what we are looking to do. That's where we are going as a country. So we are diversifying within

mining. We are reducing our overreliance on diamonds. We are also scaling up our marketing of natural diamonds and ensuring that their rarity, their

provenance and their differentiation set them apart from synthetic diamonds.

And so they will continue to appeal because of their rarity and specialness to the discerning buyer to a market that is that somewhat discreet and

insular, if we may put it that way.

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QUEST: Discerning buyers and the synthetic, the way you said it, said it all. Mr. President, intra-Africa trade, it's one of the things everybody,

it's -- it's a bit like just sort of motherhood and apple pie, everybody says they want it, everybody says it's going to be great, everybody only

wishes there was more of it and it never actually happens.

The reality is as global trade becomes more difficult, largely as a result of U.S. tariffs et cetera, but into your intra-Africa trade could be a

great benefit. What do you see is the big problem?

BOKO: The first challenge really is the lack of interconnections between African countries themselves. We are now beginning to address that by

ensuring that we develop trade corridors, the Lobito corridor, the Nacala corridor and others are intended to ensure that we're able to move produce

and products from one end to the other efficiently and affordably.

The second thing we're going to do is and we're trying to do is to ensure that we increase the volume of intra-Africa trade so that we can aggregate

among African producers, they can trade amongst themselves and we need digital platforms that are seamless and that facilitate this kind of -- of

trade and make it borderless and seamless.

QUEST: You saw the U.S. announced that sort of a golden visa, an immigration-based visa. I know this is something that you've looked at in

Botswana as a way of an immigration or citizenship visa for investment. What for you is the attraction of this idea of the global citizen visa or -

- or investment I should say?

BOKO: Well we are a very small population. We have relied as I've indicated on a single commodity. We need to move away and identify other income-

generating means and streams. Citizenship by investment is one such way in which we will enable investors to come in, deploy their finance, deploy

their resources, acquire citizenship for deploying those investments and be able to participate in powering our economy because we want our growth to

be private sector led.

QUEST: One final thought occurs to me. You -- you came into power just a year ago, within last year, and great wave of support. First change of

government in recent history, a huge amount riding on your shoulders of change. Is the job bigger than you'd imagined it was going to be to turn

this round and are you enjoying it?

BOKO: Well I am, I am. I anticipated that there would be challenges. I believe that I am up to the challenges. Happily, I enjoy the full support,

the faith and confidence of the vast majority of the people of Botswana who voted. They still maintain a lot of faith in -- in their government and we

are doing everything we can to turn around the economy, to digitalize it, to focus on agriculture and agro-processing, to ensure that we beneficiate

our minerals and we grow the economy and create the jobs that they need. That's what we're on now and it's going reasonably well so far.

QUEST: Congratulations on your new national holiday, at least this year, the 29th of -- the 29th of September, you're celebrating the historic gold

medal victory in the men's four by four 100 meter relay at the World Athletics Championships. You know -- you know a national holiday costs you

and your GDP.

BOKO: A national holiday enables our people to express their happiness, to go out into the streets and to come back revived, rejuvenated, happy and

even more productive. So what on the face of it we may seem to lose, I think we'll gain a hundred fold in the -- in the productivity and the --

and the zeal that our people will return with.

QUEST: Couldn't have put it better myself. Mr. President, I look forward to our next interview and hopefully it will be in Botswana. Thank you, sir.

BOKO: Thank you very much. I look forward to it too.

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QUEST: Thank you. This is a Quest Means Business. Back in a moment.

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QUEST: Hello, I'm Richard Quest. We have a lot more questions with us in a moment. Only after I brought you the news headlines because this is CNN and

here the news always comes first.

The FBI is calling a deadly shooting at a Dallas, Texas immigration facility, an act of targeted violence. Officials say one detainee was

killed and two others were injured. The suspect died from self-inflicted gunshot wounds. The Department of Homeland Security described the shooter

as a sniper who opened fire from a nearby rooftop.

Ukraine's President Zelenskyy is appealing for help ending Russia's war. He called on the war of the U.N. General Assembly that we are living through

what he called the most destructive arms race in modern human history. Following Donald Trump's dramatic new turn declaring that he can win back

all of its territory from Moscow instead of having to give up some land in exchange for peace.

Nearly 2 million people in the path of Typhoon Ragasa have been evacuated from their homes in southern China. The storm has left a trail of

destruction on one of the world's most populated coasts. At least 70 people have been killed in Taiwan when a natural dam collapsed and flooded the

communities downstream.

More now on the shooting at an ICE facility in Texas. John Miller is with me. What do we know, John?

JOHN MILLER, CNN CHIEF LAW ENFORCEMENT AND INTELLIGENCE ANALYST: We know that at 6:40 a.m. an individual from a rooftop near the ICE facility opened

fire with a rifle. According to Secretary of Homeland Security Kristi Noem, he indiscriminately fired into the ICE facility, which was basically a

processing facility for detainees before they were moved to other places.

We're told by people who are briefed on the investigation that as he fired into the building and his gunfire crossed over into a parking area where

ICE loads and unloads vans with different detainees, that bullets went through one of the vans and killed one detainee, seriously wounded two

others.

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The gunman, a 29-year-old man from the suburbs of Dallas, Texas, according to police, took his own life as they were responding to the rooftop to

confront him with law enforcement officers. And that is how it unfolded.

QUEST: Right. Now, the President has just been on social media, on Truth Social. He says, bear with me, John, he says, the violence is the result of

the radical left Democrats constantly, et cetera, et cetera, demonizing law enforcement, calling for ICE to be demolished, comparing ICE to Nazis, et

cetera, et cetera. I'm calling on all Democrats to stop this rhetoric against ICE.

Now, this very much follows what Kristi Noem, the DHS secretary, was saying earlier. Of course, there's no excuse for any form of violence in any

shape, description whatsoever. But these sort of comments don't lower the temperature either.

MILLER: No, they don't. And what we heard today from the field director for ICE in Dallas, the acting field director, he said the rhetoric has to stop.

It just has to stop. That's all I have to say, was basically his comments at the press conference. And then Senator Ted Cruz came on and said the

same thing about this kind of violent rhetoric.

Now, on the other hand, you know, this is a two-way street, which is violent rhetoric from the left, attacks from the left, attacks on the

government is one factor. And then we see another factor, which is white supremacist organizations and other extreme right-wing groups and violent

extremists who have been involved in a number of attacks. So it does cut both ways.

But this has been a focus particularly since the assassination of Charlie Kirk by a different sniper not that many days ago from the President, the

administration, and others who are concerned about language, because whether it's right or left, what we are learning is words matter, which is

a factor that many people point at the President himself in terms of the kinds of heated rhetoric that come out.

QUEST: You're always so very eloquent the way you put these things, John. I guess that's why we enjoy having you on. Thank you, sir. Thank you. We'll

take a break. It's Quest Means Business.

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QUEST: More this week on Call to Earth, we're going on an epic trek across Africa with world-renowned photographer, Chris Fallows. Our journey begins

in South Africa and Tanzania, where Fallows gives an up-and-coming creator an intimate look at some of his most meaningful images.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice-over): Cape Town is home for South African photographer, Chris Fallows.

CHRIS FALLOWS, PHOTOGRAPHER & CONSERVATIONIST: I got a beautiful piece of dolphins going towards us here. Actually, a lovely long shot.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice-over): With the seas surrounding the southern tip of Africa as his backyard, it's where he cut his teeth working with the

ocean's most infamous predator.

FALLOWS: This location was unprecedented on the planet. If you wanted to see great white sharks hunting, you came here to Seal Island.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice-over): In 1996, he and a colleague were the first to discover and document the now-famous breaching great white sharks

in False Bay. He was also the first to capture an image of the previously unknown behavior. He called it air jaws.

FALLOWS: You know, when I took this photograph in 2001, it was life- changing for me. It was kind of what set my career on its way, and it was a photograph that appeared on more than 500 covers around the world.

DULLA FARDY, CONTENT CREATOR, NOMAD TANZANIA: This is so beautiful.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice-over): But Chris's work isn't confined to the sea or South Africa. He's now in Tarangire National Park in Tanzania for

the first time, and is joined by local guide and budding photographer, Dulla Fardy.

FARDY: Tarangire itself has a river that crosses along just right in the middle of the park, which attracts most of the wildlife adjacent to the

area during dry seasons, like times like now, and that makes it really special.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice-over): Before heading out on a photo safari, Chris sits down with Dulla to show him the type of shoot he's looking to

capture. And I call this image "After The Fall, The Rise," and it talks about the rebound of the whales from almost becoming extinct to now their

populations are recovering.

FARDY: One thing I've noticed is you name your photographs, like you give them titles.

FALLOWS: Yes, yes.

FARDY: Does that come before the picture itself or comes after the picture?

FALLOWS: It comes after the picture.

FARDY: After the picture.

FALLOWS: So I look at an image and I think, what does that best represent?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice-over): Chris's aim, he says, is to give his audience the desire to connect with the natural world and conserve what

remains.

FARDY: I mean, wait, this is just so nice. These are just amazing.

FALLOWS: What I love about this is the elements from the cracked earth to the really moody sky. And this image is actually called "Defiance" because

this incredible female with these scimitar-like tusks has defied the poacher's snare, the hunter's gun, drought, climate change, and still

managed to keep her herd intact.

The reason why I'm here is to try and get something similar to this. This is one of my favorite images of all time, and it's called "The Fig and

Elephant." And so I'm here for now a baobab.

FARDY: Now -- now I see, now I know. So that is inspired from this one.

FALLOWS: And I've left this image in color.

FARDY: OK.

FALLOWS: All my other images, sadly, as you actually picked up, any of those famous photographs of animals or behavior that no longer exist. But

we still do have elephants, and we still do have foxes, and we still do have baobabs, and we still do have so much to save.

I believe imagery is incredibly powerful. An image forces you to think. It instantly shifts gears for us to say, wow, look at those animals. How could

you possibly want to kill them? Or look at that incredible space. Why would you ever want to cut those trees down? But most importantly, transports us

to that particular environment and lets us make a conscious decision as to what's going on, and hopefully leads us in a direction of change.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

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QUEST: Gosh, I thoroughly enjoyed that. What magnificent photographs, brilliant stories. And in fact, it's so good, I'm delighted to tell you

we'll have more from Call to Earth tomorrow. And the full documentary, Beyond the Lens, is this weekend. And of course, it's only on CNN.

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QUEST: When Jimmy Kimmel's late night show returned on Tuesday night last night, there were major markets that didn't see the show. And that might be

about to change as Nexstar Media, one of the largest owners of affiliates for "ABC," says it's in talks with Disney about returning Kimmel to the

airwaves. It resumed after a week long.

Well, you know the story. Disney took the air show off the air after various pressures were brought against it. But now, of course, Nexstar and

Sinclair are still refusing to broadcast it. In his opening monologue, Kimmel defended the right of comedians to speak their minds.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JIMMY KIMMEL, HOST, "JIMMY KIMMEL LIVE!": Look, I never imagined I would be in a situation like this. I barely paid attention in school. But one thing

I did learn from Lenny Bruce and George Carlin and Howard Stern is that a government threat to silence a comedian the President doesn't like is anti-

American. That's anti-American.

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QUEST: Brian's with me, Brian Stelter. What's the new reporting about the - - the latest developments?

BRIAN STELTER, CNN CHIEF MEDIA ANALYST: Number one, Kimmel's a whole lot more popular than he was this time last week. That monologue, that nearly

30 minute monologue, is on YouTube on "ABC's" official Kimmel website. It now has more than 15 million YouTube views, which is the most watched

Kimmel monologue ever.

This is bigger than any of his past anti-Trump commentary, any of his past celebrity interviews. So it speaks to how interested people are in what

Kimmel has to say. And some of those viewers, Richard, might be coming from the local markets where you couldn't actually watch the show on broadcast

T.V. last night.

QUEST: I get the feeling, because I watched on YouTube the whole thing. It was very well done. It was very well executed, even if there was no apology

per se. But do you get the feeling that the affiliates, Nexstar and Sinclair, may be realizing that they might, might, Brian, have overreached?

The -- the mood is in favor. Go ahead.

STELTER: Yes, I would argue that "ABC" is holding most of the cards. They also have contracts with these stations that do -- do require the stations

to run most of the national programming. So Sinclair and Nexstar might be looking for a way out of this mess, to be quite honest. Nexstar said this

afternoon that it's having productive talks with Disney. But for now, it's going to keep preempting the show.

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The only thing that's changed in the past two months is the climate in the aftermath of the Kirk assassination. Jimmy Kimmel has been an anti-Trump

comic for years. These stations have known about Kimmel for years. Maybe they privately didn't love the commentary, but they weren't publicly

objecting until the last couple of weeks.

And -- and really, that is because of the climate in the wake of the Kirk killing. You have these stations that are listening to conservative viewers

who interpreted Kimmel's offend, you know, offending monologue last week as a very personal attack against Kirk. That's not what it actually was.

And so I think Nexstar and Sinclair, they do need an off-ramp. We'll see if they can find an off-ramp for this.

QUEST: But what this has really become, to -- to my mind is that and it's - - it's attributed to Voltaire, but it's not Voltaire. I disagree violently with everything you say, but I'll fight to the death for your right to say

it. That's what Rogan, that's what Ted Cruz, that's what all of them have basically been saying. And I'm wondering, when the President today hints

that he might still go against "ABC," is he on the losing side of this argument yet?

STELTER: Yes, let's put his statement up on screen. This was a statement overnight threatening "ABC" again with blustery language, wondering out

loud if they're breaking campaign finance laws by having Kimmel on the air. And -- and let me just say, come on. Of course they're not breaking

campaign finance laws.

Of course a T.V. show is not an illegal campaign contribution. But Trump wants these ideas out there. He wants those threats to be hanging over

"ABC's" head. But here's what Bob Iger and other Disney executives have to know. There's lots of pressure from other directions as well. Yes, there's

pressure from the President and from Trump allies, but there's also pressure, just in the last hour, from a group of former "ABC News"

employees.

I obtained a letter signed by more than 100 veterans of the company pressuring Iger, saying, you have to be a leader, you have to stand tall.

That's what the protesters were saying outside Disney headquarters. That's what Kimmel viewers are saying. So this is very much a live issue. It's not

going away anytime soon, Richard.

QUEST: The best part about Iger is that you not only wanted the job once, you wanted it twice. He gets paid a fortune, and that's what happens when

you get that job. Brian, I'm glad, good to see you, sir. Thank you very much. You and I will have a profitable moment after the break. Quest Means

Business.

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QUEST: So the big story is of course trade, we brought you the head of the World Trade Organization tonight. The story is about central bank

independence, we brought you the head of the IMF. The story is about Africa trade, we brought you the president of Botswana. And the story is about

supply chains and we bring you the largest operator of ports, DP World.

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The only thing we didn't do was allow enough time for a full profitable moment. But you can't have everything because that's Quest Means Business

for tonight. I'm Richard Quest in New York. Whatever you're up to in the hours ahead, I hope it is profitable. I'll see you tomorrow. What a show.

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