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Election Day in Massachusetts; More Survivors Found in Haiti
Aired January 19, 2010 - 15:00 ET
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RICK SANCHEZ, CNN ANCHOR (voice-over): Here is what is making THE LIST right now.
Is there a political shocker in the making in Massachusetts?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: People are mad. People are just plain angry.
SANCHEZ: Remember Florida? Massachusetts' secretary of state joins me live.
The election that will impact his presidency and the nation's direction.
This radio and television host apologizes, kind of, after saying he would vote 10 times for a Democrat -- quote -- "just to keep them bastards from winning." Is Ed Schultz encouraging voter fraud?
Police clash with protesters who are protesting a protest of Sheriff Joe Arpaio. You will see it.
Why is this French minister calling the U.S. relief effort in Haiti an occupation? An occupation?
A beat-down caught on tape. Do police get there in time to save this victim? You will see it play out.
The lists that you need the know about. Who's today's most intriguing person? Who is on The List You Don't Want To Be On? You will find out as our national conversation as our Twitter, on the air starts right now.
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SANCHEZ: And hello again, everybody.
I'm Rick Sanchez. Making THE LIST today, replacing Senator Ted Kennedy. Will it be a Republican? So much to share on that story as I was just sharing with Ali.
Tony Blair is going to be grilled about Iraq and his secret letters from George W. Bush. What do you know about that? We are trying to find out.
But we begin with the incredible images from Haiti that continue to just take our breath away one horrible week since the earthquake struck. And you're about to see another moment captured on video exactly when this earthquake hit. We're going to watch it together.
First, I have to tell you something about this video. In it, you are going to see and hear children screaming. It was shot inside an orphanage at Port-au-Prince. We are told by the man who shot it that these children were not killed or injured. Watch.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Outside. Go! Go! Go! Go!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Haitian cops fire a warning into the air. The crowd momentarily scatters, but police do little else to stop the looting.
The international relief effort has seemed chaotic, the Haitian government effort almost non-existent. Earthquake survivors are getting desperate, even fighting for scraps among themselves.
ELIZABETH COHEN, CNN MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: This is just a tiny, tiny fraction of the number of injured Haitians. How are you going to take care of them all?
RENE PREVAL, PRESIDENT OF HAITI: The more we receive help, the more we can care of them.
COHEN: What kind of help do you need?
PREVAL: This kind of help.
JONATHAN MANN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It is just before 6:00 a.m. at the (INAUDIBLE) tent city here in Port-au-Prince. First light of dawn is coming over these people who spent the night out of doors once again. Around me, you can see they are beginning to stir, beginning to begin their day. In one corner of the tent city, they are praying. Elsewhere, they are getting ready to leave.
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SANCHEZ: Those are some of the scenes that we have been capturing over the last 24 hours. Now we have got a chance to take you live to Port-au-Prince.
My colleague Anderson Cooper is on some breaking news that we are told is taking place as we speak.
Anderson Cooper, if you are there, take it away.
ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: Rick, just extraordinary news.
They have just pulled somebody alive out of the wreckage at the National Cathedral. And what is even more remarkable is, they believe there are two others still alive who they are actively digging for now. They pulled an elderly lady named Anna (ph) out literally five minutes ago. Workers -- suddenly, a Mexican search-and-rescue team erupted into applause as they brought her out. They have been working here all day. There was -- a text message was sent from inside of the rubble by one of the -- one person who -- believed to be a nurse, though I can't say for sure.
There is a German team trying to find her and another person that they believe she is trapped with. But on the other side of what used to be the building that the diocese had, it's right next to the National Cathedral, which is completely destroyed, that is the location where they pulled this elderly lady, Anna, from.
She was saying, thank God, thank God. They immediately started to give her medical attention. As you know, it is essential -- getting somebody out of the rubble is the first hurdle. Keeping them alive is a different battle entirely. And that's the battle that is under way.
They have taken her to a medical facility which thankfully is very near, but as we have been reporting over the last several days, some people get rescued. They find it difficult -- there is no place to take them or they have to go to several different facilities to find a place that can actually treat them.
There is a team from Germany very close by that they are going to try to take her to. Hopefully, she will get medical attention, which is essential after somebody is pulled out, that they get medical attention, not just because they have not had food and water and are near death, but because if they have a crush injury, the release of the pressure on their bodies can actually cause them to go into shock. It can actually kill them.
It is like injecting the heart with potassium. It's the buildup of lactic acid that then floods the system. But it is just incredible, Rick, when you think about it. Almost seven days since this quake -- we are coming up on the exact hour of the quake in a few hours -- to think that they pulled somebody alive and that they are still, that they are convinced two more people -- they have got three positive dog hits today.
They got a text message last night and they have heard tapping as well. So, these rescue workers from Germany who are continuing to work (AUDIO GAP) one person has just made them want to push all the faster, all the quicker.
SANCHEZ: Just a quick question, Anderson, because I think we want to know. How is it that somebody can be alive after seven days, given the pictures that we have seen of that rubble?
COOPER: Yes.
SANCHEZ: Are there cocoon-like areas that maybe create an opening underneath? Is that it?
(CROSSTALK) COOPER: Rubble, it looks -- when you first look at it, it looks like it's just a big mound. It is (AUDIO GAP) complex than that. There can be interior rooms and interior walls (INAUDIBLE) for instance and that creates what rescuers call a void space.
There can an interior stairwell that didn't collapse. That creates a void space, so it is really inner pockets.
SANCHEZ: Wow.
COOPER: If you have good ventilation, for instance, or ventilation, that adds to your chances. If you have access to water, that (AUDIO GAP) adds to your chances. If you have some access to some food (AUDIO GAP) anything can go into it, your age.
The fact that they pulled an elderly lady -- I don't know if she had access to some water, to some food. (AUDIO GAP) It is remarkable to think that an elderly lady was able to survive this.
SANCHEZ: Anderson Cooper doing yeoman's work down there in Port- au-Prince for us following up on what is now breaking news, that one person has been taken out and it appears there are two others they might be able to do the same with.
If that indeed happens, you will hear it, you will see it, as Anderson describes it to us throughout this -- these next couple of hours. We also have this for you on THE LIST.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I never panicked. I had a single purpose in mind, which was, find the daylight. Find the fresh air.
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SANCHEZ: We are going to talk to that woman to hear how and why she kept fighting. She was buried, similar to what Anderson was just describing, buried under a building. She kept crawling in the dark, looking for a way to get out for more than two days. And she is 65 years old.
And the countdown is on in Massachusetts. Are we looking at the end of health care reform as a result of what could happen tonight? Ironically, it is Ted Kennedy's seat that could determine the outcome. The LIST continues.
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SANCHEZ: We are going to have a follow-up to the breaking news that Anderson was just reporting. My executive producer just told me moments ago that we are going to have a picture of the woman who was taken out of that building, as Anderson was describing it to us. We are setting that up for you, so just hang tight, and, as soon as we get it, I'm going to share it with you.
Meanwhile, every day about this time, I follow certain people who are on Twitter, people who are making news or people who are relevant to the news. This is our way of making our access your access.
And just we got some information from the Red Cross, and we have been following the Red Cross very closely. Let's go to that, if we possibly can, Robert.
"Our president," president of the Red Cross, they mean, "and CEO, Gail McGovern, is in Haiti today. That is the information." The Red Cross as you know has been all over this story.
And speaking of the Red Cross, we can now share with you these numbers that actually we're pretty damn proud of. The final numbers in the Red Cross and UNICEF, this is what was raised last night here on CNN during Larry King's telethon that you may have seen between 8:00 and 10:00 p.m.
The number, we are happy to report is $8,944,956. And let me just echo what you are reading after that number. Thank you from the bottom of our hearts here at CNN and from all of us who have been affected by this story in Haiti. Thank you for all of your help.
Once again, we are moments away from getting some new video in of what Anderson Cooper was just describing to us in Port-au-Prince, Haiti. And as soon as we are able to bring you that -- hopefully, it's just going to be a matter of minutes, because I know we have the video in-house. We are just trying to loop it for you. We're going to share that with you.
Meantime, we are also going to have this today.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Joe Arpaio needs to be ousted.
JOE ARPAIO, MARICOPA COUNTY, ARIZONA, SHERIFF: They are using me as a poster boy. We have state laws, and I'm enforcing those state laws. And I'm not going to be deterred.
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SANCHEZ: Maricopa County sheriff Joe Arpaio won't bet that he is going to be deterred by protesters. But what about so-called anarchists? The demonstration that took a nasty turn. This is weird, folks. And I'm going to bring it to you. It is coming up in "Fotos."
Also, the polls are only open for a few more hours in Massachusetts, why the outcome could make or break the president's goal of having some kind of legislative health care reform in the United States. This is going to be dicey. Stay with us. We are going to have hopefully some answers for you on THE LIST.
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CALLER: Hey, Rick. David from Portland, Maine. Just wondering in the end what will be the cause of Coakley's loss if as expected she loses, a blundering campaign, a terrible candidate, or just the economic times or some combination? Thanks a lot.
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SANCHEZ: Welcome back to THE LIST. I'm Rick Sanchez. And we always welcome your engagement and your comments.
This is the last day of the first year of Barack Obama's term in office. And on this day, his party, the Democrats, are steeling themselves for a possible earth-shaking loss in the state of Massachusetts. Think about this for a moment. Barack Obama carried Massachusetts by 26 points -- 26 points he carried this state by.
Now, think about this, if you would. Polls show voters may be on the verge of electing a Republican to replace Ted Kennedy. And this is what many in Massachusetts are saying about the Democrats.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don't think it is particularly the president. I don't think it is particularly Coakley. I think it is the direction that this country is taking. We need to send a message to the people. The people are very angry.
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SANCHEZ: And that really about sums it up, doesn't it? It's not necessarily the president, not necessarily Martha Coakley, but something is wrong, and we need to send a message. We are angry. That is what we are hearing over and over on Election Day in true blue Massachusetts, blue.
Jessica Yellin joining us now from Boston.
Hi, Jessica.
JESSICA YELLIN, CNN NATIONAL POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Hey, Rick.
SANCHEZ: Does anybody up there still believe that Democrat Martha Coakley will actually win this election?
YELLIN: Well, you will meet some Democrats -- I talked to a bunch of Democratic operatives -- who will say, there is always hope.
The polls showed going in, as you know, that the Republican is in the lead. And there is a lot of anxiety among Democrats also in Washington that he will win by a hefty margin. But the weird oddity of today is that it is a special election, and so you get a much lower-than-usual turnout, and so a little bit of a surge, let's say the Democrats get a lot of their standard voters out, could make the difference for her, but not a lot of Democrats are optimistic, Rick, that that is really going to happen. They are worried about a wake tonight. (CROSSTALK)
SANCHEZ: Here is what I am hearing, Jessica. Listen to this, and tell me if that is what you are hearing about Scott Brown and Martha Coakley.
Roger, play this for us.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The one criticism that I have read that I kind of agree with is that she felt that this was automatic, that I'm the Democrat in the state, so as long as I emerge from the primaries as the leading candidate, it is a layup.
QUESTION: What do you like about Brown as opposed to Coakley?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think his honesty and integrity. I don't think he is tap-dancing. He is telling us the truth.
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SANCHEZ: Did Martha Coakley -- when this is all said and done, will there be reason to argue that Martha Coakley just blew this by doing things like not wanting to shake hands with people outside Fenway Park because it was too cold?
YELLIN: Yes, big time, big time.
She has run a textbook tragic campaign in a lot of ways. Not only did he make the gaffe you mention and others, another one on baseball, but she was so confident going in after she won the primary that she failed -- she did not even campaign for a few weeks aggressively. She has not been out there.
And the bottom line in all of this, Rick, is that the guy you led up to us talking about how they want to send a message to Washington, the message is that they are frustrated with the slow pace of change, and the Republican capitalized on that frustration. The Democrat didn't.
And that is the lesson to politicians going forward this year. It seems -- operatives tell they know the message here is whoever capitalizes on that frustration wins -- Rick.
SANCHEZ: I'll tell you, what a story. And we're going to be watch -- I am glad you are there for us, because we are going to be watching this story throughout the next couple of hours, and we know there are plenty of developments.
Jessica Yellin, thanks so much for bringing us up to date on this, and thank you for being part of THE LIST.
Remember, yesterday, a top Republican told me that if Scott Brown wins, he is going to hop on a plane and go to Washington and he's going to demand to be seated lickety-split, immediately, right away, to stop the Democrats from passing health care.
Well, the Massachusetts official who is going to certify the vote is a guy named William Galvin. He is the Massachusetts secretary of state. He is a Democrat. I want you the stick around for a little bit, because I am going to be talking to him in just a little bit, William Galvin, during this next hour that we do.
And, folks, this could be interesting, because the question is, how soon will the guy who is a Democrat right now be willing to stay or give up his seat? You know, that could be the fly in the ointment. That is why we are following it for you.
Also, this: Talk about road hazards. A man, a bear, a billboard, and a flood of emergency calls, it is enough to make this video "Fotos."
Also, according to Jay Leno, there could be a cease-fire in the late-night TV wars going on. It could happen today. We're watching to find out who will be the last comic standing, pardon the pun, and who gets a multimillion-dollar consolation prize. Also, drum roll, please. Our signature, the most intriguing people brought to you right here every day. Hint, he knows music and he knows Haiti. We have got lots of news and lots of video coming in as THE LIST scrolls on.
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SANCHEZ: Oh, my God, have we got an update on that breaking news story that I was telling you about just a little while ago. You are not going to believe this.
All right, remember a little while ago I was talking to Anderson Cooper? He is down in Port-au-Prince, and he told us that in a building right next to the National Cathedral, which came tumbling down, they have just found a live survivor, a live survivor. Obviously, that is -- or that is something I don't need to repeat, but they found a woman, and there she is, right?
That is the picture that we just got in a little while ago. That woman's name is Anna Zizi (ph). Stay with me here, because I do believe that we have just been able to make contact with that woman's son.
His name is Maxime Janvier, Maxime Janvier. We will call him Max for short.
Sir, are you there?
MAXIME JANVIER, MOTHER RESCUED FROM RUBBLE: Yes, I am.
SANCHEZ: Is that your mother?
JANVIER: Yes, that is her.
SANCHEZ: What a story. You -- when was the last time you saw her? Where was she? JANVIER: Oh. It's a long time ago.
SANCHEZ: How did you know she was in that building? How do you know it is your mother?
JANVIER: I spoke to my sister, and she said that she was in that church that night, that day, when the earthquake went on.
SANCHEZ: So, she was in the National Cathedral?
JANVIER: Yes, she was.
SANCHEZ: How old is she?
JANVIER: She is -- 70 -- well, she always hide her age from me, so I don't know exactly how old she is. I think she is 69, 70, I think.
SANCHEZ: She has been under there for seven days.
JANVIER: Yes.
SANCHEZ: You must be -- first of all, we're -- God bless you. We are really happy for you.
JANVIER: Thank you. Thank you very much.
SANCHEZ: But you must be somewhat surprised. Did you start to give up hope at any point? Seven days is a long time.
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JANVIER: I never give up hope, no. We were praying a lot for that to happen.
SANCHEZ: So, as we understand it, help us through this, she was in the National Cathedral. Did she work there or did she just go to church?
JANVIER: She just go to church.
SANCHEZ: So, she had just gone to church. That was when apparently this earthquake took place.
JANVIER: Yes. Yes.
SANCHEZ: But you didn't know she was there when this happened?
JANVIER: Well, my sister told me that she could be either there or the other church that crumbled also in Bel Air.
SANCHEZ: And when you found out and you could not find her and you could not make contact with her, what did you do? What have you been doing for the last six-and-a-half days?
JANVIER: Well, I have been calling Haiti, calling my sister, call my father in Miami, and also put her name and, you know, approximate age on iReport, so they could look out for her.
SANCHEZ: So, you put on like a BOLO, a be on the lookout, for her. You contacted all the different agencies I suspect.
JANVIER: Yes.
SANCHEZ: When did you find out that your mother had just been rescued alive from the rubble of the National Cathedral?
JANVIER: Fifteen minutes ago.
SANCHEZ: Fifteen? When we reported it?
JANVIER: Yes.
SANCHEZ: My goodness. Does your family in Miami or anywhere else in the United States know of this news? Have you contacted them?
JANVIER: Yes. I just call my dad and let him know, and he was very happy.
SANCHEZ: My goodness.
JANVIER: Yes.
SANCHEZ: Maxime Janvier, we are happy very for you, man. That is fantastic news. What a story. What a story. Thanks for being with us. Wow.
All right. As we move on, nobody really knows who said it first, but on the first person on this list, he is leaning -- or learning, I should say, just how true this saying is. No good deed goes unpunished.
Time to bring you now our number three most intriguing person of the day. Born in Haiti, this Grammy winner moved to Brooklyn at age 9. He helped reshape music in the 1990s, blending R&B, hip-hop and reggae and socially conscious lyrics as a member of the Fugees, one of the first musicians to appeal for earthquake aid for Haiti, and one of our most intriguing persons of the day, Wyclef Jean, who now is fighting allegations that he misused donations to his charity, Yele Haiti.
Jean defended himself and his foundation yesterday. He was crying as he spoke to the Haitian people in his native language, Creole. He translated the rest for us. Here it is.
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WYCLEF JEAN, MUSICIAN: The Haitian people on the ground, of course, is going to be suffering, frustrated, violent.
I tell them that I do not cry for myself, that I cry for them. And I told them, just permit us a little time. We are going to be back on the ground on Saturday. And we will be back on the ground every week until we help the situation. (END VIDEO CLIP)
SANCHEZ: Pros who know the ins and outs of fixing taxes for nonprofit groups tell us that Wyclef Jean's charity is not guilty of big transgressions, but it has been lax about filing some of its taxes on time. Stick around to find out who is number two and who is number one our List of the Most Intriguing Persons of The Day.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I went from fear to anger, really. And all I wanted to do was have them go to jail.
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SANCHEZ: What a story this is. It turns out a couple of nasty people messed with the wrong bartender, his very first fight ever, and this is one doozy, folks. We will have his impressive story coming up in a little bit.
I want you to know as well you can join us for the national conversation whenever you visit Atlanta. All you have to do is call 1-877-4CNN-tour, and you can join us right here in the studio.
THE LIST continues.
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SANCHEZ: Welcome back. I'm Rick Sanchez.
That dreaded freeway commute, you are trying to get to work or back home after a tough day at the office, it can be mind numbing until you see something so unexpected and so bizarre that it practically gives you whiplash.
Let's do "Fotos."
Bridgeport, Connecticut, a billboard that provides an eyeful. On top a life-sized mannequin and the teddy bear partner sitting as big as day on the top of the sign. From a distance, it looks remarkably real.
Good Samaritan drivers have been flooding 911 with calls to rescue the supposedly stuck duo, but relax, it is only BMW trying to sell cars, by what? Causing a crash or two of BMWs?
Lakewood, Colorado, look at who is serving up a beat down. A bartender had a pretty good idea people trouble was brewing when he saw two people come up to him with a pool cue. He had never been in a fight before in his life, but you can't tell from the tussle here, bet the attackers didn't see that coming.
He held them long enough for the police to get there. How did he do it? Well, it looks like he didn't have a chance at one point, but where did he get the skills? He says from watching cage fighting on bar TVs. Maricopa County, Arizona, and what has nearly 20,000 protesters so riled up? That man once again. The country's most controversial sheriff, Joe Arpaio and these marchers in blue and green say that all people regardless of the race and color should be respected and Arpaio go home.
Organizers say Arpaio, who is under a federal investigation for alleged abuse of power and using the office to go after critics, should be removed, they argue.
Police told me by phone today that the protest was peaceful until a group of so-called anarchists who had nothing to do with the demonstration showed up and just out of the blue punched a horse in the mouth, a police horse, channeling a scene from "Blazing Saddles" perhaps. And then one of their bottles hit an officer and that's when the scuffles and the arrests occurred. Five people were hauled off to jail.
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GEOFF HOON, FORMER BRITISH DEFENSE MINISTER: The Americans became much more sensitive about potential risk, because they had not seen 9/11 coming.
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SANCHEZ: Tough questions being asked across the pond in what is being called the Iraq inquiry. Was intelligence spiced to get Britain involved in the Iraq war? Serious questions, serious answers.
Haitian orphans anxiously awaiting adoption in the United States, and then an earthquake hits. Their future is unknown as paperwork is lost in the quake. And it becomes a major issue in this.
So Governor Ed Rendell came back with 53 of those children. We will talk with him. The governor, joins me live here in 20 minutes. Stay tuned. So does Brooke Baldwin on your "List."
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SANCHEZ: Welcome back. I'm Rick Sanchez, and this is THE LIST, and keeping it fast and furious. We have just gotten information that there may be a potential weather emergency in Los Angeles.
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SANCHEZ: I have followed this story from the start, because I thought it might help complete a puzzle, a puzzle about Iraq and why we started that war, the so-called preemptive war.
The British government has launched a full investigation into how and why Prime Minister Tony Blair went along with George W. Bush, and trust me, in England, this is a huge deal. Brooke Baldwin is here, and she has some details.
So, let me start with this. Would Tony Blair have backed George W. Bush, and he knew there weren't weapons of mass destructions, WMDs.
BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: I think in a word, to answer your question, yes, he would have. He went on the record, Prime Minister Tony Blair, in an interview last month and asked would he have gone if there had been no evidence of WMDs in Iraq.
His answer was yes because he believed Saddam Hussein did pose a serious threat to that region. In fact this is whole sense of Saddam Hussein and the threat he might have posed came up today in the testimony.
In the hot seat today was former defense Minister Jeff Hoon, and he was asked by one of the questioners, was the case, and we're talking back in 2001, that Saddam Hussein was not actually a serious threat to the region and the countries around him.
And you will listen here in the second to the sound bite that he did not specifically address the threat issue, but he was supporting the U.S. and our sentiment right after 9/11, and he had been talking to the friends in Washington. Listen to what he said.
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HOON: He was a potential threat, and that is what I think changed, particularly in the United States after 9/11. Instead of simply dealing with a threat today, I think that the Americans became much more sensitive about potential risks, because they had not seen 9/11 coming.
We knew very little about Afghanistan, we had very little information about Afghanistan, and out of apparently nowhere an attack on the most powerful country in the world.
And I think that straight away, the American administration under, I think as well, some pressure from some of the politicians that I met in Congress, they just were not prepared to tolerate a similar set of events occurring again, whether that was from Iraq or Iran or Libya or from North Korea.
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SANCHEZ: Interesting that he used the word "potential threat" and not "precise threat."
Let me ask you a question. There was apparently a lot of exchanging of secret memos and letters from George W. Bush and Blair. What do we know about those?
BALDWIN: Right. People want to know about the letters, and they came out publicly in last week's testimony with the former PM's spokesperson. And he said there were letters specifically about whether or not the British would commit militarily to this invasion.
And he said in these letters from Blair to Bush, if it has to be done militarily, Britain will be there, and Defense Minister Hoon on the stand today saying he didn't know anything about the letters. Apparently Tony Blair was a great note taker and writer and said that he would believe that that might have happened.
SANCHEZ: So there may have been some deal making that was unofficial.
BALDWIN: Absolutely, between two leaders.
SANCHEZ: I'll tell you what -- stay on this for us, and when Tony Blair testifies...
BALDWIN: Next Friday.
SANCHEZ: Let us know and we'll jump all over that as well.
BALDWIN: Got it.
SANCHEZ: And this --
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SARLA CHAND, WAS TRAPPED 50 HOURS IN HOTEL MONTANA: It is very, very scary, because you are thirsty, and you have no way of getting any water. For us, the positive piece was that we could feel some fresh air. And that is what we talked about when we were trapped.
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SANCHEZ: What a story. That 65-year-old woman was standing in the Hotel Montana when suddenly it collapsed on top of her and several other people. She was trapped in a tiny crawl space under the rubble for something like 50 hours, and folks, I mean, crawl space, because she was crawling.
She will join me in the next hour to tell us about those grueling days and what it was like under there. What a story. Stand by, we will have it for you on THE LIST.
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SANCHEZ: Welcome back to "The List," I'm Rick Sanchez.
You won't believe this next story. I was blown away when I heard about an American woman who was buried in the rubble of a collapsed hotel when this earthquake struck. And look, this is no exaggeration, folks. She was buried, trapped alive. Here is how I learned her name and her story, from one of our coworkers on our air.
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RICK SANTOS, EARTHQUAKE SURVIVOR: My colleague from IMA World Health Sarla Chand was in another compartment. And in some ways she was the one, she's a lovely person, 65 years old, crawling around in the rubble, because she could actually move, and was looking for air spaces, and looking for light.
Sarla had found her way to a new place and I don't know how she did it, because she had no light. She was completely in the dark. (END VIDEO CLIP)
SANCHEZ: Sarla, welcome aboard. I have been wanting to hear your story for so long. Congratulations. You are one tough cookie.
CHAND: Thank you very much.
SANCHEZ: Unbelievable. Tell me about it. I want to know. People at home -- I would have been so freaked out to be stuck underground with tons of debris, and you couldn't even stand up, right? You were crawling.
CHAND: Right. There was no space to stand up. I found myself sitting right after the earthquake started in total darkness. The only saving grace which kept my sanity was to be able to hear my colleagues.
And periodically I asked them to turn on their cell phone or a laptop so I could get my bearings by seeing the light coming from their confinement, confinement space through the cracks. And that would tell me that I am not too far from them.
SANCHEZ: So the compartment that you were in was separated by, or from the compartment that your colleagues were in, correct?
CHAND: That is right. The five of them were in one compartment and I was in another one.
SANCHEZ: According to the colleagues, you were the one who took it upon yourself to start crawling through some of the makeshift halls, really, on your hands and knees, to look for what? What were you crawling around looking for?
CHAND: I was looking for some source from where I could see daylight and fresh air. So, through the night, I would sit, because there was nothing I could do. But then as soon as day would start to break, I would start moving around.
SANCHEZ: What kept you going? What kept you thinking to yourself, I know someone is going to come and find me? I bet people listening to the interview are wondering if they would have that sense of fortitude that you showed.
CHAND: Well, I can simply say it's my faith and my deep desire to get back to my two sons that kept me moving. I also knew if I didn't look for that space, there was no help coming, because somebody did come, talked to me, and went away, and nothing happened after that for hours.
SANCHEZ: That must have broken your heart. You must have felt so helpless.
Listen, you're great. God bless you, thanks for sharing your story with us. I'm sure it's one that a lot of people are listening to, could I have done that? We never know what we'll be like when faced with obstacles. Thanks for joining us, Sarla, appreciate it.
CHAND: Thank you.
SANCHEZ: We brought you these dramatic moments yesterday. Things turned ugly and people started throwing concrete blocks and rocks at the crowd. We showed you pictures of a 12-year-old boy almost passing out.
We'll bring you more on that story right here. In fact you'll see it. It's the video that I was telling you about that I was talking with Ali about that Anderson Cooper sent in. That's at the top of the next hour.
Also next, The List That You Don't Want to Be On. Here's a hint, it involves the airwaves and a scuffle.
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SANCHEZ: Welcome back. I'm Rick Sanchez.
You ever get so spitting mad at somebody that your better judgment goes out the window? Like in professional sports? It's emotional. But you have to watch your emotions or you'll end up on The List You Don't Want to Be On.
Three spots on this list, three men to fill it. This first one is Jose Offerman, a former Dodgers all-star shortstop. His latest gig was managing winter league baseball in the Dominican Republic where some of the best baseball players come out of.
Watch what he did when he had words with a first base umpire. I'll take you through it.
That you're about to see is a punch or elbow. Whatever it was, it was enough to knock the umpire on his fanny. For that Jose Offerman is now banned for life from the league. Offerman has a hotheaded history. Sports fans will remember when he conked a pitcher and catcher with a bat two years ago. That's why this latest incident may be the last straw and reason for him making our list.
Here is number two, France's minister for international cooperation makes the list. Alain Joyandet complained that American military air traffic controllers weren't allowing his French planes to land. That may have been a very reasonable complaint.
But then he goes on to say this about our military guys and gals. He suggests they are occupying Haiti. Occupying? The comment reached such high levels that it forced the French president, Nicolaus Sarkozy, to praise the U.S. mobilization in the quake zone.
But it hasn't stopped this French minister of, quote, "cooperation" -- think about that word -- for making his way onto The List That Nobody Wants to Be On. So that's number two. Who was number one? We'll reveal that in our next hour. Meanwhile, Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell is right there. He's going to be joining me live, next, with some important news having to do, interestingly enough, with Haiti. We'll be right back.
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