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Threats Against Lawmakers Continue; Woman Arrested, Forcibly Removed From Classroom; Wall Street Begins Week Strong

Aired March 29, 2010 - 15:00   ET

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RICK SANCHEZ, CNN ANCHOR (voice-over): Making THE LIST today -- plotting to kill police officers in the name of Jesus Christ?

These militias are back. We're drilling down on who these people really are. The Hutaree -- are there more out there like them?

What prompted this outburst in a college classroom?

And it's time to roll up your sleeves in "Fotos" or the pictures of the day. What's he got against Japanese cartoons, anyway?

THE LIST you need to know about. Who's today's most intriguing? Who's making news on Twitter? It's why I keep a list. Pioneering tomorrow's cutting-edge news, right now.

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SANCHEZ: Hello again, everybody. I'm Rick Sanchez. And we are coming to you live from New York today.

At the very top of THE LIST today, a militia group that wanted to kill police and start a war in the name of God and country. They are, as twisted as this may sound, a messianic Christian militia.

Let me take you through the facts of this blockbuster of a story. What I'm going to share with you comes from a five-count federal indictment released today that seems to lay out the plan in chilling detail.

All right. The nexus of the story takes place in several rural counties in southern Michigan. Stay with me, here. It spreads in several parts of both Ohio and Indiana, as well.

Saturday, the feds swoop in. The Joint Terrorism Task Force includes the FBI and some agencies from Homeland Security. They were rounding up people into Sunday.

Now, this is the group that they busted. It's called the -- it's a type of end times militia that's called Hutaree. Hutaree.

The picture you're seeing, by my count, 17 armed individuals. See them there? Nine have been charged, eight hauled in, and one remains at large. I want you to look at this video now called from this militia group's own Web site. As I read these names to you, who these people are -- David Brian Stone, aka, Captain Hutaree, his wife, Tina Stone, his sons Joshua Brian Stone, Jr. and Joshua Matthew Stone, Joshua Clough, Michael David Meeks, Kristopher T. Sickles, Jacob Ward, Thomas Piatek.

The feds allege these nine people, plus others unknown were nearing an operational phase, and somehow just had to be stopped. That's what the feds said.

All right. Let me bring somebody who knows a lot about this. Susan -- CNN's Susan Candiotti has high-up forces in federal law enforcement, has worked this story, has, she -- you know, all of us are still gathering the information on the story accident.

SUSAN CANDIOTTI, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes.

SANCHEZ: But she's gathering and getting as much as anybody else. And she is going to help us walk through the serious allegation.

First, though, I want to do something for you. I want to read you count one, and as we read these counts, and I'm going to bring in Susan, and she's going to take us through it. All right?

Here's the first part. Quote, "Since at least 2008, the Hutaree has been meeting regularly to conduct military-style training in Lenawee County in the eastern district of Michigan and elsewhere. The purpose of this training has been to plan and prepare for the impending war with Hutaree's enemies."

Susan, to you, briefly, if you could -- these enemies that they're referring to, who is the enemy?

CANDIOTTI: That's pretty hard to understand. So trying to put a finger on it, the government describes it as anyone is the enemy who belongs to the government. And, in fact, in the eyes of this militia, the enemy is called "The Brotherhood." And if you wear a badge and if you wear a uniform, you're the enemy.

SANCHEZ: So, cops.

CANDIOTTI: Cops. You're the enemy. That's right.

SANCHEZ: FBI, CIA --

CANDIOTTI: You're considered --

SANCHEZ: -- federal agents, any person in a custodial position, a bank guard, a teller, who protects tellers. I mean, just about anybody who wears a uniform.

CANDIOTTI: Well, it could be law enforcement in it particular, it seems is what they're talking about.

SANCHEZ: So, they're anti-government.

CANDIOTTI: Exactly. And they considered anyone who worked for the government, foot soldiers of the government, the big, bad government.

SANCHEZ: Let's continue with the second part of this indictment now. We'll pick it up again with this. Quote, put it up if you got it, Rog. "Defendant Brian David Stone, aka, "R.D." or "Joe Stonewall or "Captain Hutaree" -- he has been the principal leader of the Hutaree, and has organized Hutaree into two operational units led by himself and one of his sons, defendant Joshua Matthew Stone."

Back to you, Susan. What do we know about the Stone family? Obviously, they're all over this indictment.

CANDIOTTI: They are. And we can tell you this. As you indicated, you've got the husband and the wife and the two sons. Of one of the sons is adopted. And then you have these other people, some who are located in Ohio, a couple were picked up there over the weekend, and another person in Indiana.

Now, does it go beyond that? We still don't know -- still trying to dig around. But we do know, that according to the indictment, there were plans to travel to Kentucky, to come up with some kind of communication system, to put together whatever their alleged plan is.

SANCHEZ: Well, let's talk about that alleged plan.

CANDIOTTI: Yes, exactly.

SANCHEZ: Let's get into that now.

Folks, we're sharing this with you, just as we're getting the information from police. So let me continue now with the next part of this indictment.

Quote, "The general concept of operations provided that the Hutaree would commit some violent act" -- follow here -- "commit some violent act to draw the attention of law enforcement or government officials, and which would then prompt the response by law enforcement. Possible such acts which were discussed included killing a member of law enforcement -- killing a member of law enforcement after a traffic stop, and then his or her family at home, ambushing a member of law enforcement in rural communities, luring a member of law enforcement with a false 911 emergency call and then killing him or her, and killing a number of law enforcement and then attacking the" -- listen to this -- "killing a member of law enforcement and then attacking the funeral motorcade with weapons of mass destruction. These acts would intimidate and demoralize law enforcement, diminishing their ranks and rendering them ineffective."

All right. Here's where the rubber hits the road, so to speak -- before you and I were talking about this group of people -- some people might say, OK, maybe they're a little whacked out, maybe they've got some strange ideas. But when you start talking about killing a member of law enforcement and then making sure you can gather them all up at a funeral procession so you can take more out at the same time, we're talking about something quite serious.

CANDIOTTI: Yes, these are very, very serious allegations. And the question, of course, is, could they have pulled it off?

The FBI clearly thinks that they could have. They said that they have information that these guys were going to the Internet; that they were seeking out how to make these improvised explosive devices, these mini-bombs and projectiles. And evidently, during the course of that, the indictment says they happened upon someone. Was it a confidential informant? Was it someone who was telling the feds about this?

SANCHEZ: Gee.

CANDIOTTI: We're not exactly sure. But you could argue, they were unlucky enough -- or lucky enough, for us -- to have reached out to someone for help that may have tipped them off.

SANCHEZ: Wow.

CANDIOTTI: Or it sure looks that way.

And then they are accused of going on to Mr. Stone, to sending his sons out to buy -- and others, to buy the bomb-making materials in order to put them together.

SANCHEZ: What a story. Stay right there.

There's one final part I want to bring our viewers' attention to. Reading again from the federal indictment, the general concept of operations provided that once an attack was undertaken, Hutaree members would then retreat to one of several rally points where the Hutaree would wage war against the government and be prepared to defend in-depth with trip wire and command detonated anti-personnel "IEDs, ambushes and prepared fighting positions. It is believed by the Hutaree this engagement would then serve as a catalyst for a more widespread uprising against the government."

Why did they -- why did they want to take these folks down now? Why did the feds move in and make the arrests now?

CANDIOTTI: It seems as though they were feeling nervous about what was going to happen next. Prosecutors --

SANCHEZ: So, in other words, they thought maybe it was going to really happen.

CANDIOTTI: Well, yes.

SANCHEZ: Takes it from a threat -- you know, like you and I covering crimes in the past. There's a difference between a conspiracy to do something, which could be anything, and actually getting the feeling that something is going to happen. That something is going to be actuated, right?

CANDIOTTI: Well -- and they're saying that the conspiracy has reached the stage where, prosecutors say, that they were planning a recon mission in order to -- and how they were going to carry this out. And so, the FBI says that it was concerned that someone might have been in danger. Who was that? Some member of the public.

The indictment reads that if someone happened upon their recon mission or their dress rehearsal, they were going to take them down.

SANCHEZ: Wow.

CANDIOTTI: And so, they wanted to cut it off now while they still could.

SANCHEZ: It comes to a point where you have to act. And the feds decided they had to act.

CANDIOTTI: It looks that way

SANCHEZ: Thanks so much, Susan. Stick around, by the way, because we're not done with this story.

We're also going to bringing in some folks who know an awful lot about this in just a little bit. Mark Potok is going to join us in a little bit. He's going to tell us more about, not just this particular organization, but is there a general movement toward this type of militia around the United States? Are there more of these types of groups that we should know about?

Also, this --

No, Eric Cantor was not shot at, as he said, but he was threatened. In fact, there's a -- there's an arrest in this story and we're going bring it to you.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was a funnel cloud and it was moving very fast.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The whole place got dark, and we heard like a train. And we ran to the cooler. And the customers --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The customers were in the dining room. We told them, come on, let's go into the freezer, you know? And we got in the freeze and Miss Pearl (ph) here said, we've got to start praying.

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SANCHEZ: There's video of some tornados wreaking havoc across the South, and those are some of the sounds of people who have been affected. But Chad Myers is going to be joining us in just a little bit with the very latest on this severe weather. Stay right there. THE LIST scrolls on, and there's plenty to talk about.

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SANCHEZ: Hi, everybody. I'm Rick Sanchez. Welcome back. I'm in New York today.

And to get to New York, I had to get on a plane early this morning. First time this has ever happened to me. I'll share something with you.

First time it's ever happened to me that the pilot actually comes out of the cockpit, comes over and talks to me and a bunch of other passengers who are sitting down, getting ready to take off. And he tells us, folks, let me just be real straight with you, OK? The weather pattern is so bad in the Northeast that there's a chance that: A, we're going to not be able to make this flight; B we're going to be circling around LaGuardia for hours; or C, we're not going allowed to land in LaGuardia, and we might actually have to land in Philadelphia.

So, I pick up the phone, I call my wife, and I let my producers know in Atlanta that there's a possibility I may not be here in time to do this show. Thank goodness, everything worked out and the flight was fine. But they were thinking the weather was going to be so severe in the Northeast this morning, that that's the kind of thing going on.

Chad Myers is joining us now to take us through what's going on weather-wise, and apparently there is plenty of stuff out there. I've never had, you know, you hear the pilot all the time say stuff like that --

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CHAD MYERS, AMS METEOROLOGIST: But where were you? You were already on the plane.

SANCHEZ: I was sitting at Hartsfield Airport in Atlanta.

MYERS: On the plane already.

SANCHEZ: On the plane.

MYERS: OK. So, they were already loaded, OK.

SANCHEZ: They're loaded and ready to go, and the pilot opens the door to the cockpit, comes out and just starts briefing the passengers, but like he's putting on a presentation rather than talking to us on the thing, which was like, I was thinking -- somehow it elevated to a different category because I've never heard, I've never seen a pilot do anything like that. And he was quite honest.

MYERS: Yes.

SANCHEZ: I mean, he was just saying, look, it's so bad, that I think he said, tell me if he was correct or if I'm correct in quoting him, he said there are wind gusts of 39 to 40 miles an hour around LaGuardia, and there's a chance we might not be able to land there.

MYERS: And it's not so much that the gusts were there, it's the fact that you have to separate the planes when you get weather like that and you get visibility like we had. If you separate the planes, you can't get as many planes on the ground as you need to, and so, some planes don't make it into those selected airports. That's what happened to you today.

SANCHEZ: So, what was going on out there? I mean, it wasn't just there, right? It was also in the Carolinas, even parts of Florida.

MYERS: Yes -- well, what was happening was that this entire low pressure system across the eastern part of the United States was spinning, driving rain into New York City, and making severe weather on this part in Carolina and also making severe weather into Florida right now. It is moving off shore, it's kind of out toward the Florida Straits, but you can still see it from Miami. Looking off to the east, you can really see it.

Here's what we're looking at here from PBF. That would be -- I believe that would be probably Philadelphia. But the rain was there, rain is still coming down in the Northeast. Let's now -- oh, that was Palm Beach.

Let's move now to some North Carolina video, too. I know you briefly touched this yesterday. But there are a couple tornadoes in North Carolina, and their weather service out there looking to see how many. This was probably the largest high point in North Carolina, at least an F-2, which means wind speeds of 120, 130, 140 miles per hour.

I can't tell if that's a real wedge tornado on the ground, but when you see that spark, that was a power line that just got knocked down or torn off the -- torn off the power pole. And when it gets torn off the power pole or a transformer pops, those are the colors that you see popping there, and that's a very good indication, especially in the dark, for tornado chasers, that something is on the ground. Those transformers, those lines, don't pop unless a tornado is doing that.

SANCHEZ: Chad Myers, with a tour of the bad, the ugly weather- wise along the eastern seaboard of the United States -- my thanks to you, Chad.

MYERS: Sure.

SANCHEZ: Also this --

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Every year or so, the Chechens will do something to remind people that this conflict goes on. And this is the latest reminder.

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SANCHEZ: This is amazing. Two women strapped bombs to their bodies and killed themselves at different Russian subway stations. So much bloodshed. The details of this story are coming up.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's pretty obvious. We're coming to your door to tell you to get out.

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SANCHEZ: Tea partiers invading Harry Reid's hometown in Nevada. Now, what's the backlash from last week, if any? I'm going to be asking our correspondent, Ed Lavandera. He's on the story. That's next on THE LIST.

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SANCHEZ: Welcome back. I'm Rick Sanchez. We're coming to you from New York today.

Number three on THE LIST: The Tea Party Express. And the CNN Express.

Our Ed Lavandera is following the Tea Party gatherings that are trying to get their message heard. Ed is in the CNN Express.

I'm sensing that the general populous, Ed, as far as the health care bill goes -- it's not universally liked, right? But it does seem to me like in the last week or so, since it passed, you could make an argument that it's disliked less. That it's disliked less.

Now, you're with Tea Party supporters. Are you seeing that trend with them or no?

ED LAVANDERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, I think it's pretty safe to say that across the gatherings that you'll be seeing here over the next few weeks, as this Tea Party Express makes its way from Nevada all the way to Washington, D.C., on April 15th, that the idea of health care reform, the way it's been implemented so far, is rather universally disliked -- this whole idea of repeal and replace. They probably like the repeal part of that.

There are, however, some factions of it that I think, as you talked to Tea Party members coming out for these rallies say, especially when you talk about the insurance reform and the preexisting conditions -- those are the types of things that they might like.

But as a whole, it is universally disliked intensely. And that is what is really the motivating factor behind this rally as we'll see it move across the country over the next few weeks.

SANCHEZ: But --

LAVANDERA: And that's why the theme for this rally is going to be just vote them out.

SANCHEZ: But hold on a minute. I didn't hear them two weeks ago saying, you know, this thing about if you've got a kid in college and he graduates and doesn't have a job, he can keep my insurance until he is 26. I kind of like that about the Obama plan. And this thing about being able to keep your health insurance or not getting kicked off because you have some debilitating -- some horrible disease, you know, I kind of like that, too.

I never heard that two weeks ago. But you're telling me you're starting to hear that from them now. As far as I'm concerned -- call me crazy -- that's a change!

LAVANDERA: Well, I think the negatives far outweigh, in their view, any of the positives that might have been in the -- in the health care reform bill, the way we -- the way we see it right now. So, you know, I don't want to overstate exactly how much of this they might or might like.

And obviously, this changes a lot, based on who you're talking to. There are a vast array of opinions --

SANCHEZ: Yes.

LAVANDERA: -- and degrees of opinions in this particular thing. But the negatives of this health care reform bill, in their view, from everything we've heard, far outweighs any of the positives that they might see, you know, buried in that bill.

SANCHEZ: But, look, knowing what we know about these folks, and how negative they are about Democrats, President Obama, anything coming from that camp -- even an incremental change is a change that's noteworthy, is it not?

LAVANDERA: Perhaps. And I think we'll get a better sense. I mean, this is just the third day of this express. It will be interesting to see how this changes or if it evolves and in what ways, as we move closer to Washington, D.C., over the next few weeks. So, that's definitely something worth keeping an eye on. I think you're right Rick.

SANCHEZ: When you -- one final question, because you're there, and you know, I'm always curious, because any time you have a movement like this, as impressive as it is, given the fact that they are Americans, and they have come together and by golly, they've got something to say. When you're with them, do you get a sense that they are, in fact, monolithic? That they think and speak with one voice? Or the other side of the coin, which would be that they have so many things that they represent that it's hard to focus them on one thing.

If you had to -- if you had to nail them down in one area, which -- how would you -- how would you explain this group, the Tea Party folks?

LAVANDERA: Well, I think it's pretty complex at this point. I think you've got the main organizers who seem to be, you know, all on the same page here. And there's also a question of just organization. That's really one of the big challenges facing this group as you head toward the November elections, how well they can stay organized, how well they can stay mobilized, and what will come of that in the coming months. I think that's one of the more pressing questions that they will face in the coming months. But I think as with anything else, you know, any time you have these types of gatherings, you're going to -- you're going to find a variety of different people, and organizations that come and support it. There's the Tea Party Express, and there's other groups that have come in to kind of support it. And I think they'll say that they represent a wide range of opinions and a wide range of views, although their critics say that's far from the case.

SANCHEZ: Yes.

LAVANDERA: But that's what they're saying here, along this -- along this rally.

SANCHEZ: Wonderful story, bottom-fold "Wall Street Journal" this morning on the Tea Party leaders and some of the problems they might have moving forward -- very well-written. I read it on the plane on the way up here.

Ed, interesting perspective. I appreciate your time.

LAVANDERA: All right, Rick. Thanks.

SANCHEZ: Take a look at this.

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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: This was a momentous week for America. It was a week in which together, we took bold, new steps toward restoring economic security for our middle class and rebuilding a stronger foundation for our future.

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SANCHEZ: All right. Two weeks ago, this guy couldn't even get his own party's support. Now he's passed health care, visited the troops in Afghanistan -- nobody expected that -- and within the last couple of 48 hours or so, he's talking about passing financial and education reform.

Hot streak? Too much? Will the GOP now back him? Will the Dems believe in him more? How will it affect the midterm elections?

There's a lot of stuff to talk about here, folks. And that's we're going to do. That's ahead.

Also, who, pre-tell, is the most intriguing person in the news today? Here's a hint. Their vote is causing them a lot of trouble at home.

This is THE LIST. I'm Rick Sanchez. We are scrolling on.

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SANCHEZ: Hey, you know that every day, I like to keep a list of all of the people in the news who are relevant to the news stories and who are tweeting. I have a list of celebrities. I have a list of athletes. I have a list of elected officials.

Let's check that list of elected officials. We're going to start with an elected official from New Jersey. He is a Democratic representative. Let's go to that, if we can.

It's Frank Pallone. He says, "Lack of civility during debate over the health care reform is surprising, given that Congress is only trying to cover all Americans."

Now, obviously, that's what you might expect a Democrat to say, and it does. It's a Democratic perspective on health care reform, and everyone -- and everything that everyone has been talking about. So we'll keep you up to date. And the next one we'll bring you will be a Republican, we promise.

Now, time to check the list of the most intriguing person in the news today. Let's go, Rog.

Congressman, Democrat, Ohio, first-termer -- he was one of those undeclared Democrats until the last minute when he ultimately voted to support President Obama's health care legislation. That's when he says the trouble began -- loud protests outside his home, people angry because of his vote, death threats, abusive and profane personal attacks. He says he won't let his kids answer the phone now, says he's afraid.

And he says this, quote, "I understand people are going to criticize my decisions. I'm an elected official. But my wife, my kids, my neighbors, they're out of bounds."

This is Ohio Representative Steve Driehaus. He blames Republicans and what he calls their "campaign of misinformation and fear." He is dealing with a violent, potentially dangerous backlash, and for that reason, for those words, he becomes today's most intriguing person in the news.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The teacher said, you know, can you -- you know, can you either, you know, be quiet so we can finish, or you can escort -- you can leave. And she is like no, I'm not leaving, I paid for this. I have every right to be here.

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SANCHEZ: If you watch nothing else in this newscast, I want you to watch this piece of video that I'm about to share with you. It's really a story about, well, something very simple. How do you remove a disruptive student from a college classroom or a regular classroom?

This is amazing. Two words -- "compliance" and "escalation." It's a classic case, and you're going to see it for yourself. Stay there. That's coming up.

Also, speaking of escalation of a scene -- this is a coach. That is hockey. That is ice. And that is a meltdown. I'm surprised the ice is still there. That's next.

And, by the way, hey, you want to come here and spend some time with us on the show? All you've got to do is call this number -- 877- 4-CNN-tour, and you could be right here on the set with me and help me come up with questions to ask our guests, and even have some salutations for the "Blitz man," as in Wolf Blitzer. He's coming up.

We'll be right back.

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SANCHEZ: Welcome back. I'm Rick Sanchez.

This is what you call heating up the ice. Get ready to dance. It's time for "Fotos del Dia."

A hot temper on ice. That is not David Banner turning into the hulk, no. It's minor league hockey coach Jim Playfair -- is that his name, Playfair -- disagreeing with a call in British Columbia. He rips off his blazer after breaking one stick on ice and then yelling at the ref.

He then grabs another one of his players' and splinters the stick, as well. He jumps on top. His name is Playfair. Playfair is his name. Playfair. Oh, well. What's in a name?

Let's go to number two, a raging coach to a raging bull. That's right. Taking the bull by the horns is usually a figure of speech. But officers in Colorado had to take it a little bit more literally when this guy escaped and ran right through a Ft. Collins neighborhood.

It took not two or three but four tranquilizers, mind you, to stop this bull from bucking the law. Get it?

All right, you're looking at a dash cam video of a high-speed chase Santa Fe, New Mexico. That's not a hardened criminal behind the wheel. It's a 14-year-old girl and two teenage friends.

She led officers on a 12-mile chase, speeding through lights, construction zones, roadblocks. At one point, she even took the chase into oncoming traffic. Police finally cornered her when she spun out after running over the proverbial spike strip. And those are "Fotos."

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I knew something bad was about to happen, and that's when I seen a big, red dust cloud just drop. And I saw all this metal start flying over. I was thinking the whole trailer park was about to get wiped out.

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SANCHEZ: Tornados are tearing through parts of North Carolina. They have been ripping out trees and overturning mobile homes. And we've got the pictures that I'm going to be sharing with you. That's coming up in just a little bit.

Meanwhile, guess who else said they liked to watch our show every single day? Somebody who really matters. You know why? Because she's going to make me a superstar in my daughter's eyes, that's why. And that's next. Stay right there.

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SANCHEZ: All right, this is one of those really interesting stories that kind of humbles me, because, look, if you're a dad, there's nothing that makes you feel better than something that makes you feel like a big guy, you know, a big shot in your kids' eyes. And this is the kind of story that's going to make Savannah, my daughter, think I'm really cool, because, generally, she doesn't think I'm all that cool.

All right, let me take you through the story. CNN cameras bumped into at a Nickelodeon "Kids' Choice Awards" a gal named Demi Lovato. She's only 17 years old, but like this huge teen star. Maybe not for folks of our generation, but if you have grandkids or small kids, you probably are going to know who she is, because she's on television every single day and she's famous.

Well, when we interviewed her to talk about what she likes and doesn't like, she gave us an answer that kind of surprised us. She said, "I love to watch CNN and the show that is my favorite show is "RICK'S LIST." So that's cool! That makes us who produce "RICK'S LIST" feel pretty good about it, but it makes my daughter feel great.

Here is the shout-out.

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DEMI LOVATO, TEEN ACTRESS: Rick, I am a huge fan. I tweeted about you and said I watch you every day at lunch. And he actually said my name while I was watching it. He was like shout out to Demi Lovato. And I was like no way! Of course, I was in the room by myself. I was so excited, though.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He's getting really popular, so you'll see more about it.

LOVATO: Hi, Rick!

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SANCHEZ: Whoa! I'm blushing. That's cool. My daughter's superstar likes her dad on TV. That's neat. And she gets on the list. She is now one of the celebs we'll be following every day. And Savannah is going to be so excited.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The teacher said, you know, can you -- you know, can you either, you know, be quiet so we can finish, or you can escort -- or you can leave. And she is like no, I'm not leaving, I paid for this. I have every right to be here.

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SANCHEZ: She is talking about a student who was physically taken out of a class by police. Was this the right action? You are going to see it play out, and then I'm going drill this down with that guy right there. Give me a shot of Lou Palumbo. Lou just walked into the studio and he's sitting down to take us through this.

Lou, this is as much about compliance, what is compliance. Lou has decades on the New York City Police Department. And it's also about what is escalation? When do you try to deescalate something? Lou is here, he is going to watch the video. We're going to look at it together, and he's going to take us through this.

I know he's in a low-lighting area. So what? He's still a handsome guy.

Also, tornados. All right, tornadoes pound parts of the south. We've been telling you about this, and we'll show you the damage it left behind. That's ahead. Stay with. We'll be right back.

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SANCHEZ: Welcome back. I'm Rick Sanchez.

All right, let me set the scene for you. We're at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee. The student's name you're about to see is Robin Foster. Something goes wrong here when suddenly police have to be called in and she has to be taken out and charged with disorderly conduct, and she is taken out by force.

But this thing escalates, and as you watch it, you're wondering, how is this getting to this degree, where it gets so out of control? All it is, is a teacher and student disagreement in a classroom that ends up looking riotous. Let's watch it together, and then I'll bring in my guest. All right, here it is.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm not going nowhere, so you're going have to carry my (EXPLETIVE DELETED), because I paid for (EXPLETIVE DELETED). I paid for this. What are you doing? Get your hands off of me!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get down on the ground!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I said I would go with you!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We're going to take you out of this room.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Put your hands behind your back.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What are you doing? (END VIDEO CLIP)

SANCHEZ: All right, here's what we missed, and here's what I want to bring you into this. And the viewer didn't get a chance to see what was going on, but I think you have seen the entire tape and I have seen the entire tape.

What we saw there was just the very end, the police officers walk in and arrest her, and there is no real good way to have a good reference from that.

She was having a conversation with her teacher and it went back and forth and back and forth. And it seemed like they were trying to work something out until finally the teacher throws her hands in the air and says, you know what, it's over. You're going to have to leave the class.

That's the part of the story that's about something you and I talked a lot about in the past -- escalation and de-escalation. What did you see it as, as you watched that?

LOU PALUMBO, RETIRED POLICE OFFICER: Well, I think -- I think ultimately what the teacher demonstrated was the fact that she had to control the classroom environment, number one, Rick. And I think she did to through diplomacy and dialogue remedy this irritation this young lady had.

I think when she felt she could no longer perhaps intelligently remedy this, she called upon the support of the campus police, at which time they responded. And I believe she was asked three times to leave the classroom.

SANCHEZ: Well, the interesting -- before we even get to the cops and when they arrive, and we're going to take you through that again in a moment, because that gets to compliance.

But we're seeing more and more situations, my little brother among them now who is a police officer in Dade County, Miami-Dade County, Florida, where he works with the school system. We're seeing more and more of these types of uniformed police officers in the schools and colleges to deal with these types of situations, which leads us to believe that there are more of these types of things going on.

PALUMBO: I wouldn't say that that's why you see police.

SANCHEZ: Why would they be there then?

PALUMBO: Because I just think it's -- they've been there for a long time.

SANCHEZ: They weren't there when I was growing up as a kid.

PALUMBO: You know what, Rick, you're right about that. But what I'm alluding to is the last two or three decades. To my surprise, I graduated St. John's University, and the campus police there were not armed, they were not trained the way a law enforcement agency is.

But today you travel the country and you will find the University of Texas in Austin has pretty much a police department there. UCLA, the university of California school systems have very well-trained, police-style campus police. They're trained by law enforcement agents, powers of arrests. They carry weapons, the whole deal.

SANCHEZ: Well, they have to deal with something which is very interesting. And as we go to the break here's all I want you to see. Stay with me here, Roger.

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SANCHEZ: All right, let's talk about at what point we can nail this compliance thing down, because all of us, all of you right now who are watching me doing this newscast have been in a situation or know somebody who's been in a situation where they've been approached by a police officer and they have had to respond in kind.

What is the proper response to keep yourself from being arrested? Let's look at it through the prism of this situation. This young lady after the teacher calls the police, they come up and they say something to her. She says something back to them, and then she's taken into custody. Let's watch it and then we'll bring Lou in. Go.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm not going nowhere, so you're going to have to carry my (EXPLETIVE DELETED). I paid for (EXPLETIVE DELETED).

What you doing? What? Get your hands off of me. I'm not even fighting!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get down on the ground.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SANCHEZ: All right, as we watch this, Lou, the police officers come up. The part we didn't hear is they say "You're going to have to leave." She responds to them with --

PALUMBO: "You're going to have to drag my ass out of here."

SANCHEZ: Which is grounds for them immediately arresting her, no questions asked?

PALUMBO: Absolutely. But she didn't even have to respond like that, Rick. Once they directed her, or ordered her, they issued a lawful order, for her to leave the classroom, she was required to comply.

SANCHEZ: Why is that? What if they're asking me to do something which is completely -- what if they're saying I robbed a bank and know I did not rob the bank? Why do I have to comply?

PALUMBO: Because that's what the law says. As I mentioned to you earlier, the law is written that you may not even resist an unlawful arrest. Your recourse is if want to sue a police department or law enforcement agency for false arrest, but cannot even resist an unlawful arrest, an arrest you know you're not guilty of. That's the way the laws are written.

In the instance of this young lady, she was three times asked to leave the classroom.

SANCHEZ: Once by the teacher and twice by the cops.

PALUMBO: And she refused to. And then her response to them was "I'm not going anywhere. You're going to have to drag my ass out of here."

SANCHEZ: So she basically got what she had coming?

PALUMBO: Here's the thing. At what point do the police draw the line in the sand and make themselves paper tigers? Are they going to back down from her at that point?

And there's a whole class. The implication goes well beyond the fact she was disruptive. It's the message you send to the rest of the class and to the teacher. You have to support them. The teacher asked her to leave the class.

There was a whole incident that precipitated the teacher's engagement which her, which I understood dealt with something like bouncing a water bottle off another student. And the teacher attempted to negotiate her way through this situation.

SANCHEZ: But unfortunately, it didn't de-escalate the situation and the student did not become compliant. And when you don't show compliance, you're arrested. And that's the --

PALUMBO: You're subject to arrest.

SANCHEZ: Thanks. Appreciate you always coming in and taking us through these kind of scenarios and I think it's instructive to all of us, because you never know any one of us on the way home could be faced by a police officer. And not all police officers are right.

PALUMBO: I agree 200 percent with that. They're human being's too.

SANCHEZ: I appreciate it, Lou.

Meanwhile, take a look at this. Two female suicide bombers blow themselves up in a subway station. This is in Moscow, two separate stations, dozens killed. That's coming up in just a little bit.

And Poppy Harlow is coming on the set joining me with a list of news making news on Wall Street. The CNN money list with Poppy Harlow coming up. Stay there.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) SANCHEZ: Hey, welcome back. I'm Rick Sanchez. CNN's Poppy Harlow joins us now for the CNN "MONEY LIST." That's what it's called. It should be called the "Poppy List." How are you?

POPPY HARLOW, CNNMONEY.COM: I'm good.

SANCHEZ: Is it true you actually got to ring the bell on Friday?

HARLOW: I did.

SANCHEZ: Are you serious?

HARLOW: At the New York Stock Exchange, CNNMoney.com rang the bell because we have these new market pages out with all this great data. So we were promoting it. It was a once in a lifetime kind of thing.

SANCHEZ: Roger, can we find that video? Are you still looking? He's looking for the video.

HARLOW: No big deal.

SANCHEZ: As they look for that. That's so cool.

HARLOW: It was neat.

SANCHEZ: I am so honored to be in your presence. That's a neat thing.

Look, for the first time ever I get to say there's something good for us citizens coming out of TARP.

HARLOW: Yes. Remember that $700 billion bailout program? Well, Citigroup got about $45 billion. Earlier this year paid back about $20 billion.

But this is what's happening today, Rick. The treasury department came out and said, the government, it is going to sell its stake in Citigroup pretty soon. They bought shares of Citi around $3.25. It's up more than a dollar from that. So if they sold it now, then the taxpayer through the government would get back about $8.7 billion in profit.

SANCHEZ: Cha-ching.

HARLOW: That would be great.

SANCHEZ: $8.7 billion, for me and you.

HARLOW: For me and you.

But here's the kicker to it all. The Congressional Budget Office rates all these things and they say, their latest report says overall on TARP we're going to lose about $109 billion because of the auto bailout, a lot of money there, and AIG. What happened with AIG, they still owe billions. SANCHEZ: You tease me like that and then take it away.

HARLOW: It is a step in the right direction. That's what we're all about at CNNMoney.com, moving in the right direction.

SANCHEZ: But Have to put the screws to some of those on Wall Street. That's another conversation, I know, but they've gotten way too much from us, and somebody needs to regulate them.

Regardless of that, let's move on to topic two. What else is on your list today?

HARLOW: The markets today, because we had a really flat week last week, but today we saw the DOW hit its highest point in a year and a half. You see the closing bell right there, folks on Wall Street. The DOW has been six of the last seven weeks. Right now DOW up about 40 points, and we see all three major averages closing it looks like in the green today.