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BP's Next Step to Stop Oil Leak
Aired June 07, 2010 - 15:00 ET
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RICK SANCHEZ, CNN ANCHOR: I'm sitting here looking at my -- there on Twitter about 2,000 people who are wanting to know what is going on with Helen Thomas. We'll talk about that and the very latest on Mr. Van der Sloot. That's in THE LIST.
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SANCHEZ (voice-over): Here is what is making your list today:
TONY HAYWARD, BP CEO: We would expect it to be the majority, probably the vast majority.
SANCHEZ: Really? Actually, compared to what is still leaking, what they're collecting is a mere drop in the bucket. So how are they going to be able to collect more? That's what we are looking into.
Hotel surveillance video reveals the final hours of this young woman's life. Joran van der Sloot caught leaving the country shortly afterward.
It is primary week in California. Now, how is it being affected by the Arizona immigration law?
An off-duty police officer at a bar with a gun shoots and kills an Iraq war veteran.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He had his hands up. So he saw that he had no weapons or anything.
SANCHEZ: Off-duty cop, at a bar, with a loaded gun. I'm asking, why?
The lists you need to know about. Who's today's most intriguing? Who landed on the list you don't want to be on? Who's making news on Twitter?
It's why I keep a list. Pioneering tomorrow's cutting-edge news -- right now.
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SANCHEZ: Hello again, everybody. I'm Rick Sanchez.
Somehow I thought that I'd come back from Disney World and things would be better in the Gulf of Mexico. It seems they are not.
This list, on this day, begins with frustration and a spreading fiasco. Thirty-two percent of the Gulf of Mexico is now closed to fishing.
Now, I've been quantifying this story for you with numbers big and small for more than a month now. But here's the picture that needs no numbers -- this is what often turns the story on a dime. When Americans start seeing animals covered in oil, like these -- suddenly, everyone leans in, just a little bit more.
Now you ask: who's responsible? Obviously, BP heads the list. And then there's Transocean, who did the drilling. And then there's the politicians who took lots of campaign contributions from both, and the agencies and the regulators who were supposed to make sure that they did it right.
But wait, I missed one. There's also Halliburton -- yes, that Halliburton -- who in this case was supposed to cement the drill to the bottom of the Gulf to make sure it was sealed, and may have messed this one up, according to recent reports in "The Wall Street Journal."
Wait, there's even more. If legal actions are taken against these companies, how many judges do you think there could be in this case?
Well, are you ready for this? "The Associated Press" is reporting of the 64 federal judges in the region -- come on back to me, if you would -- of the 64 federal judges in the region, 37 of them are tainted, compromised, because they regularly take money from the oil and gas companies.
Now to what's happening 5,000 feet below the surface right now. OK, now take that picture. They say they are collecting more than half of the 798,000 gallons a day that was leaking. But they say they will eventually collect a lot more.
How? How are they going to do that?
Don Van Nieuwenhuise is a geoscience professor with the University of Houston.
Thank you, Professor, for being with us. We appreciate your time.
DON VAN NIEUWENHUISE, UNIVERSITY OF HOUSTON: How are you doing?
SANCHEZ: Are you confident that they're going to actually be able to increase the collection?
VAN NIEUWENHUISE: Absolutely. We've seen the flow rate that they're actually producing go up every day since they got started. They're up over 11,000 barrels a day at the present point in time.
SANCHEZ: You know that's a drop the in bucket compared to the 798,000 gallons that are being spilled.
VAN NIEUWENHUISE: Well, actually, it's a little bit over half of it. I'm --
SANCHEZ: Did you say gallons or barrels?
VAN NIEUWENHUISE: I said barrels.
SANCHEZ: Oh, OK.
VAN NIEUWENHUISE: Barrels make more sense to me.
SANCHEZ: So, we're going to talk barrels instead of gallons.
VAN NIEUWENHUISE: Sorry about that.
SANCHEZ: Well, that is a lot then, right? You said 11 barrels?
VAN NIEUWENHUISE: Eleven thousand barrels a day. And it's over half of what they think is flowing out.
And one of the good things that they have in their -- sort of in their hip pocket here is the two hydraulic lines that they use to pump the mud in. They were pumping 5,000 barrels of mud a day for the top kill procedure. They can reverse the flow on that and add another 5,000 barrels, and get it up to about 16,000, based on the optimization they have on the cap today.
SANCHEZ: OK. I have no idea what you just said, so there were an awful lot of big words there. So talk to me like I'm not one of your associate professors.
VAN NIEUWENHUISE: OK.
SANCHEZ: So, we've got this cap, right, on top of this pipe that's spewing all kinds of oil. And apparently the cap is suctioning off some of the oil, but not all of it.
VAN NIEUWENHUISE: Right.
SANCHEZ: What do you do to go around where the holes are? Because what I'm looking at here is a bunch of oil going out into the Gulf of Mexico. How do you literally stuff those holes to keep that oil from getting out? Explain that to me.
VAN NIEUWENHUISE: Actually, they have vents that they can close. And the reason they're not closing the vents quickly is because if they draw too much of the oil, they will also pull water into the system, and they don't want to pull water into the system to avoid those ice crystals.
SANCHEZ: Interesting vents. You said vents. You mean there are vents on the cap itself?
VAN NIEUWENHUISE: There are vents on the cap itself, and they'll slowly close those vents. And I would have thought they would have had them closed by now, but I think they're just being a little bit more cautious than maybe we thought in the first place, because the most dangerous thing they could do is pull the ice into the system, into the pipe, and actually freeze it up and stop the flow of the oil they're capturing.
SANCHEZ: So, little by little, they're going to start closing these vents. And you say they've already started closing some of them.
VAN NIEUWENHUISE: I've heard that they're starting to close them, and they have not closed them all the way. And a lot of what you see right now coming out of the well is actually natural gas that's causing a lot of that turbulence. And a lot of the turbulence that you see with the oil that's still coming out is associated with the fact that you have gas bubbles coming out of the oil well, and it makes it look much more turbulent than it is.
I do recall earlier, the pictures that we saw, the plume was a lot bigger and it is -- it does appear to be improving, to me, at least, that it's getting a little bit better through time.
SANCHEZ: That's great news. Do you think they'll ever get it to the point where even before they do the relief well, there will be zero coming out, or let's just say close to zero?
VAN NIEUWENHUISE: I think if thy got with this apparatus, if they got close to zero, they would risk the chance of pooling water in. So they'll probably not get any closer than 90 percent. And as I said, they're also going to try to draw on those pipes that they already have attached to the lower marine riser package that they can pump another 5,000 barrels out of to enhance the recovery.
I also understand that they're building a larger system, and trying to maximize the system on the surface so that they'll be able to withstand pretty significant hurricanes if it happens to be going on at that point in time.
SANCHEZ: One final question. I want to know about these plumes that we keep hearing about. Is there a possibility, Professor, that a lot of this oil that's getting out is unaccounted for, and by unaccounted for, I mean we don't see it with our eyes, because it's not sitting on top of the ocean, but there are consistent reports of these plumes underwater. And, you know, when you hear about plumes underwater, you immediately start thinking, well, at some point are those plumes going to turn into oily beaches somewhere along the Gulf of Mexico? What's your theory?
VAN NIEUWENHUISE: Well, certainly some components of the oil are heavier than other components of the oil. And those heavy components are close to the density of seawater. And it will take them longer to rise to the surface. But eventually, they should rise to the surface.
SANCHEZ: But -- where?
VAN NIEUWENHUISE: Wherever they happen to be. You know, it could be halfway between the rig and the shore, or it could be closer to the shore. But they're rising all the time. And they haven't found any real significant ones yet. They do see hydrocarbons in the Gulf of Mexico, but that in itself is not a surprise because there's a lot of activity going on in the Gulf, including shipping that could be the source of that.
And another thing that could happen is in the summer when the upper level of the Gulf gets warm, some of these very dense plumes, if they really do exist, could actually be trapped under that warmer layer, and then they would overturn in the winter. But -- go ahead.
SANCHEZ: No, no. I got it, I got it. Don Van Nieuwenhuise, geoscience professor at the University of Houston -- thanks for being good enough, sir, to take us through this. We're going to be watching. And, you know, frankly, that's good news that you're sharing with us.
VAN NIEUWENHUISE: I think it is myself.
SANCHEZ: I'm sorry?
VAN NIEUWENHUISE: I said I think so myself, as well.
SANCHEZ: Yes, if we're getting now more than 50 percent -- look, even if we're just getting 50 percent, you know, if we go back to barrels, which is the way I've been computing this in my head, if we're at 789,000 gallons -- pardon me -- gallons that's coming out every day, and you're saying we've got half of it, that means we're getting over 400, you know, close to 400,000 gallons a day. That's a lot.
VAN NIEUWENHUISE: Yes.
SANCHEZ: Of course, the problem is, you're still getting almost 400,000 gallons a day escaping, as well.
VAN NIEUWENHUISE: Absolutely. Another thing to think about is that, you know, for 40-some days, we had 20,000 barrels. And we're not collecting 20,000 barrels in water or on the beach. So, as long as there's more coming out than we're actually collecting in the clean-up, it's going to be a problem with us for a while.
SANCHEZ: Professor, you're very kind to join us, sir. Thanks for sharing your expertise with us.
VAN NIEUWENHUISE: You're welcome.
SANCHEZ: Look what we're following in just a moment. We've got about as much feedback on this as anything. That's Joran van der Sloot. He is the main suspect in the Natalee Holloway murder, once again, a suspected murderer.
But, this time, there seems to be a lot of evidence, including videotape from several angles. A private investigator in the Holloway case is going to be here to take your questions. This thing is starting to look really, really ugly, folks.
And this:
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ROBERT GIBBS, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: I think those remarks were offensive and reprehensible.
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SANCHEZ: Helen Thomas seems to side with Hamas when it comes to Israel -- with Hamas. Does she not even want the country to exist? We're talking about Israel. It's official. She now appears to be out of a job, as well. All of this happening in just the last couple of hours.
That's next. Stay right there.
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SANCHEZ: Helen Thomas is an institution. She is 89 years old and still passionate about issues that she believes in. The Middle East is one of her passions. And just last week, when nine people were killed on a convoy ship delivering aid to Gaza, this is what she asked Robert Gibbs.
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GIBBS: Miss Thomas?
HELEN THOMAS, JOURNALIST: Our initial reaction to this flotilla massacre, deliberate massacre, an international crime was pitiful. What do you mean you regret when something should be so strongly condemned? And if any other nation in the world had done it, we would have been up in arms. What is this sacrosanct, iron-clad, with a country that deliberately kills people and boycotts --
GIBBS: Well, again --
THOMAS: -- and we aid and abet the boycott?
GIBBS: Well --
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SANCHEZ: Was that a question or an opinion or an opinion framed as a question? Some would say it was simply Helen being Helen. But it is another comment, a seemingly careless comment that she made at a Jewish heritage event that is causing her to, well, ask -- she's being asked to retire today.
Listen to it for yourself.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Any comments on Israel? We're asking everybody today. Any comments on Israel?
THOMAS: Tell them to get the hell out of Palestine.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ooh. Any better comments on Israel?
THOMAS: Remember, these people are occupied. And it's their land. It's not German's. It's not Poland's.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So, where should they go? What should they do?
THOMAS: They should go home.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Where's their home?
THOMAS: Poland. Germany.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So you think the Jews should go back to Poland and Germany.
THOMAS: And America, and everywhere else.
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SANCHEZ: So, now, what for Helen Thomas? Can she come back to the White House? Is her legacy forever tainted?
This is -- this is an interesting story. I'm going to be asking Jessica Yellin. Jessica has worked with Helen, sat next to her as a colleague, obviously, working the same room, as they say. And she's going to join us with some insight into this story in just a little bit.
Also, it's the first time we have seen Sandra Bullock in public talking about her break-up. But why did she do something I'm about to show you here? Let's see if we see it.
It's -- all right. It's the kiss. What you say about it. That's ahead.
We'll be right back.
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SANCHEZ: Welcome back. I'm Rick Sanchez. Welcome to RICK'S LIST. This is your national conversation.
Time for "Yellin's List" now. Jessica Yellin is joining me from Los Angeles.
Boy, it seems interesting to watch this Helen Thomas story develop and, you know, what's difficult about this story is that as we consider, Jessica, the fact that this is a woman who really was a trailblazer in many ways. And she seems to be going out, either retiring, or it certainly looks like she was asked to retire since it was her that actually put out the memo, that she's going out in a very ugly and distasteful way.
What is being said? What's the word among your community? You're one of her peers that followed the White House and Congress, et cetera.
JESSICA YELLIN, CNN NATIONAL POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Right. Well, look, reporters are all abuzz about this, and have been. For some time, there's been debate about whether Helen Thomas should have her own designated seat inside the White House press briefing room, because she is an opinion columnist, not a straight ahead news reporter.
But she was, I understand, given that seat out of deference to her accomplishments and her longevity there. You know, Rick, it's one of those things where people are so complicated. Does this tarnish her career? Yes, it does. What she said is deplorable and upsetting, and Jews were exterminated in Germany and Poland.
SANCHEZ: Yes.
YELLIN: But she also is a complicated person, and did remarkable things. And I wouldn't be in that press briefing room, maybe, if it wasn't for some of the barriers she shattered.
SANCHEZ: Yes.
YELLIN: And the other thing is -- you know, she always was a needle in the side of whatever press secretary was out there.
SANCHEZ: She's blunt. She's blunt. She's always been very blunt.
YELLIN: Yes. She did.
SANCHEZ: Yes.
YELLIN: And she said upsetting things, and she always -- that's always how she's been. And she's going out on a bad note.
SANCHEZ: An equal opportunity -- an equal opportunity blunt person.
By the way, look, the beginning of what she says, you know, when she says "get out of Palestine," I mean, most people would look at that and say, OK, that's fair comment and criticism. A lot of people think that Israel would be doing itself a favor if it literally left Gaza or left the West Bank. It wasn't that. It's what she followed it up with, as you -- as you just intimated.
When she came on afterward and said, "Go back to where you came from, go back to Poland, go back to Germany," that was essentially saying the same thing that Hamas and bin Laden and Ahmadinejad say, which is that Israel doesn't have a right to be there, to exist. That's problematic, right? That's the real takedown in this.
YELLIN: Well, there are a couple of reasons why it was complicated. Calling it Palestine is already politically charged. Many people do, not everyone does, clearly.
SANCHEZ: Yes.
YELLIN: She --
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SANCHEZ: But if she were referring to the West Bank or Gaza, which a lot of people say, look, you know what, let's create an Israel and a Palestine, and we'll let them have this and then -- you know, it could have been excused, in other words.
YELLIN: Well, there's room for debate among opinion columnists about how that land should be used and divided up and who was there, and were Jews there originally. And all of this is a frequent topic of discussion. But for her to say those sorts of things, send Jews back to where they were exterminated --
SANCHEZ: Yes.
YELLIN: -- on the White House grounds, from the dean of the press corps, it's just -- it's not -- it's not acceptable. And clearly, the White House Press Corps agreed, the White House agreed, and hers did, eventually, too.
SANCHEZ: Let me ask you something you know a lot about, which is what happens now. First of all, how do you get that position that she has? Or all of you have, when you're there at the White House and you're standing in front of the president, asking him questions? Now that "Hearst" has retired her, or she is retired, does she lose that standing, does she lose that opportunity to be there questioning the president?
And just a quick back-up question on this, as well, a follow- up: Can she now go join some blog organization, et cetera, et cetera, and get invited back in?
YELLIN: Well, this is what I think most people don't understand about the White House press briefing room -- it's not only open to journalists from the major news organizations. If you have a blog, you can apply, call up the White House, give them your Social Security number, date of birth, do a security check on you. And you know, with some exceptions, you're allowed to be let in.
So, it's sort of the people's briefing room. And that leads to a lot of fringe questioners in the briefing room, a lot of times. And you know, we can pull tape and tell you stories.
SANCHEZ: No, no. Don't go there. I remember -- I remember one a couple years ago. I don't want to look at the tape.
YELLIN: Right. But, so, could she be let back in with a temporary pass? In theory, she could. The question, you know, is, she has a designated chair, that chair won't be hers, is my understanding, any longer. Who does it go to? All those things are decided, officially.
But day to day -- yes, you can have a blog and go in and try to ask Robert Gibbs a question. It's America.
SANCHEZ: We'll see -- we'll see what happens. Jessica, always great. Good to see you again.
We'll be talking to you again. I know you're out in California where the big story is tomorrow, the California primaries. We'll be watching it. And we'll be looking forward to your reporting. We'll have you here tomorrow on that.
Meanwhile, take a look at this video. This is Joran van der Sloot. He's sitting in a Peruvian jail right now, and this time, folks, it looks like he's not going to be able to get away with murder as many alleged he did in another case. That's right. Aruba. The videos this time, the ones I'm going to be showing you in just a bit, may nail him dead to rights. We'll see it.
Also, the oil spill isn't slowing down. Our most intriguing person in the news today is still going ahead with a $50 million project. Who is he? That is next on RICK'S LIST.
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SANCHEZ: And welcome back. I'm Rick Sanchez. This is your list, your national conversation, RICK'S LIST.
And we're getting a ton of reaction -- 2,000 people have been writing to me over the last half hour talking about the Helen Thomas story. Many of you are saying that she is being unnecessarily punished for expressing her right to her opinion, as harsh as it may be. Others of you are saying that she should certainly not have said that. Others are even going as far as to call her an anti-Semite. All types of reaction coming in on this story. It certainly is a story for our hot list.
Time now to check in on the list of the most intriguing people who are in the news on this day.
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SANCHEZ: You hear this guy's name and you think of fun in the sun and good times with a cheese burger in paradise, right? That's right. He's another south Floridian like myself. He's always said that nothing bothers him, and, man, he's really living that philosophy today.
He is Jimmy Buffett, mayor of the fictitious Margaritaville. He says the people of the state of Florida and the panhandle area are in serious situation, and that they'll prove it through this oil slick disaster, as in tough people, party people, hope so for his sake. Buffett opens his $50 million resort on Pensacola beach next week, come hell or high water or tar balls. Jimmy Buffett is my most intriguing news person of the day.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's really crazy that he will have to shoot 13 times at an unarmed man.
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SANCHEZ: Here's the real question in this story: Was an off- duty police officer armed and loaded -- loaded at a bar before shooting and killing an Iraq war veteran? That's ahead.
Also, trapped outside, down in a river, with a seatbelt on? How are they going to get out? How does this end?
That's next. Stay right there.
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SANCHEZ: Welcome back. It's time for one of your favorite segments, certainly, Brooke Baldwin's favorite segment. There are good Samaritans and then there are great Samaritans. It's time for what we call our video list, as in "Fotos Del Dia."
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(voice over) This is Longmire, Washington State. These were great Samaritans. They showed bravery to boot when they saw an SUV nose down in a river. Bystanders rushed into the raging river to help free the driver trapped inside.
A national park rescue team arrived moments later. The driver who was upside down in the water in his seatbelt -- scary -- here's the good news. He was rescued.
Windsor, Ontario, Canada, now. Ski-plane pilot Matt Hall got to know the Detroit River better than he expected Saturday. Watch as his plane actually hits the water for a split second before he quickly pulls back up. Whoa, what a save. Look at that reaction from the stands. Now, that's what I call hydroplaning. Get it?
Robbery on the Rivera, this is movie-quality stuff, reminds me of that film "Heat." Remember that? Masked marauders in Marseilles pull off a brazen daylight robbery, wielding military-style assault rifles. They blew off the doors of an armored truck and then calmly emptied it. How much did they get? More than a million euros in cash, we're told.
By the way, you want to see fotos? You can. Our best videos are on my blog. That's rick.sanchez@CNN.com, and that's "Fotos Del Dia."
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Sandra Bullock is back in the spotlight, accepting an award and joking about her break-up with Jesse James. But it's that kiss with Scarlett Johansen that has a lot of people talking right now. Too far? You tell me right now on twitter. I'm going to break. I'll be reading them. It's definitely trending. It's on "RICK'S LIST." But Brooke will bring it to you.
And then a South Carolina sheriff says this is the most gruesome murder he has ever seen. A black man is shot to death and dragged for miles with a rope around his neck. Who would do something like this, and why? Details are next.
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SANCHEZ: Welcome back. I'm Rick Sanchez.
We base a lot of what we do on this newscast to what you're talking about. Look, we live in a society now where topics trend. They create trends. And Brooke Baldwin follows these trends for us. What are people out there on the internet talking about?
BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: A couple topics percolating today. I just got off the phone five minutes ago. The sheriff in South Carolina, you said it, in his lifetime, he's been on the job for like 35 years, he said, "Brooke, I have never experienced something like this in my life."
Let me tell you the story. I'm talking about this murder investigation underway in this small South Carolina County. In fact, the name of the county is Newberry County. The victim is this father of two. His name is Anthony Hill. He is 30 years of age.
He worked at a poultry plant. Here he is. He worked at a poultry plant with a 19-year-old. His name is Gregory Collins. That's Mr. Collins. They were friendly, I'm told, according to the sheriff. In fact, he told me they spent Tuesday hanging out, watching movies together.
But it was in the early morning hours of Wednesday that the sheriff's deputy found Hill's body near an elementary school. He had been shot in the head. He was also found nearly nude, and there was a rope around his neck.
It turns out he had been dragged ten miles down the road. Literally, there was a trail of evidence, blood, human tissue that led deputies to Collins' door, to his front door of his trailer. They were finally able to persuade him to come out after throwing some tear gas in there.
And he did finally give himself up to the shooting, but not necessarily this post-mortem dragging. That's still out there. Here is the sheriff with really where this investigation stands right now.
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SHERIFF LEE FOSTER, NEWBERRY COUNTY, SOUTH CAROLINA: We asked for the FBI to come in to assist us in this until we could look at this not only from a crime of violence, of which it was. It was a murder. But also look at this as a -- as a potential hate crime.
(END VIDEO CLIP) BALDWIN: As we said, this is the most gruesome crime the sheriff -- Sheriff Foster has seen in his 35 years on the job. The big question is why. Why would they do this, especially if they were acquaintances?
SANCHEZ: If there is a possibility he did it simply because the guy was black --
BALDWIN: That's why they're looking at the hate crime.
SANCHEZ: That's a total unadulterated case of pure racism.
BALDWIN: Absolutely, it absolutely could be.
SANCHEZ: They haven't nailed that down.
BALDWIN: They have not.
SANCHEZ: Tell me now about this MTV show.
BALDWIN: This MTV show your kids were watching last night.
SANCHEZ: No, because my daughter, you know -- well, go ahead, tell your story. And then I'm going ask a question about the big girl on girl kiss.
BALDWIN: Lord, here we go. MTV Movie Awards last night, folks, we're talking about Sandra Bullock who we love, I love you love --
SANCHEZ: I have a crush on her.
BALDWIN: So do I, girl crush.
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First live TV appearance since the cheating scandal erupted involving her husband Jesse James. Remember that a couple months ago? Here she is. She got the standing ovation when she accepted MTV's generation award. Listen.
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SANDRA BULLOCK, ACTRESS: I thought I would take this moment to clear up a couple things. You know, just to clarify some things. So I brought them here, so if you don't mind, just a few.
Number one, I am not dead.
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Number two, everybody has cellulite, not just me.
(LAUGHTER)
Can we please go back to normal? Because therapy is really expensive. (LAUGHTER)
Go back to making fun of me. I don't care. It's time to get back to normal. And I think when we all go to bed tonight, we should think about all of the people that are being affected in the Gulf.
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BALDWIN: And she also appeared for the TV Guide's choice award. She got to the troops choice worried Saturday, kind of this unexpected appearance. But go ahead, Sanchez.
SANCHEZ: She kissed a woman.
BALDWIN: She kissed Scarlett Johansen, and we were all joking at the editorial meeting that Meryl Streep and Bullock locked lips months ago, Madonna did it with Britney Spears. And here is the smooch. Here we go.
SANCHEZ: Yes, but you guys --
BALDWIN: Whatever. It's shock value, folks.
SANCHEZ: Most of you in this business -- boy, here I go, old dad Sanchez, papa Sanchez here. I've got a lot of kids, and my little daughter sits on my lap and watches that and she is going to say why would those two kissing? Or why would a woman be kissing a man who is not her husband and on the lips?
BALDWIN: Sadly, it doesn't even faze people anymore.
BALDWIN: Here is the at least I got moments ago. "Sandra Bullock's kiss to me was repulsive, but then again maybe I'm a prude." I know there's two schools of thought.
BALDWIN: There are. And I'll tell you, if you were watching last night, that was nothing compared to other things on that show.
SANCHEZ: Really?
BALDWIN: Yes.
SANCHEZ: Tell me during the commercial.
BALDWIN: OK. We'll see.
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SANCHEZ: Just kidding. All right, we'll get back to this. We'll let the controversy just exist out there.
BALDWIN: Yes.
SANCHEZ: You guys all have your opinions, and that's fine. We'll just tell you what happened. A big day for Apple -- what does the latest iPhone look like? You remember the leak when the newest model was supposedly left at a bar, and then it got out. So how does it live up to the hype? Well, that's coming up in just a little bit.
And then this story -- you've been following this for us, Brooke. Wow, Joran Van der Sloot. He's in jail again. There's some of the video being released. You'll see the very last moments of a young woman's life who was with him who is now being accused of murdering.
And this time, folks, unlike the Aruba story, it looks like they may have a whole lot of evidence against him. We're going to take you through it. That's next.
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SANCHEZ: We keep a lot of lists here. We keep one as a crime list. Now, this is the crime list, and it's one that people are talking about all over the world.
There's really just one main international crime story today, in fact, and have you seen the latest video released by police in Peru? I want to show you the pictures. This is Joran Van der Sloot, and he is not alone. There he is. This is hotel surveillance of him and this woman ease accused of beating together, Stephanie Flores.
It's the last time she is photographed alive. They go into the hotel, and then a few hours later Van der Sloot comes out alone with his clothing, with his bags. He's recorded with a hotel worker, and is said that he told her not to bother the girl in the room. I wonder why.
Police say a bad smell led them to the discovery three days later of the girl's body.
Let's do this. Millions of questions, we've got some answers. We want to hear now from one of our reporters we sent to Peru to follow up on this. Rafael Romo files this report from Lima.
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RAFAEL ROMO, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Joran Van der Sloot appears unemotional as he was paraded in front of the cameras in Peru. After being expelled from Chile, he was returned to Peru as the only suspect in the death of 21-year-old Stephany Flores, who was beaten to death.
The most important thing was how the Chilean government and its president rapidly responded and the coordination that happened between police agencies.
Aruban police released the hotel surveillance video that shows Joran Van der Sloot and Stephanie Flores entering on Sunday, May 30th, at 5:20 in the morning. A second camera shows both of them entering the room moments later. Three hours and 20 minutes later, he leaves the hotel by himself carrying a backpack. He tells hotel staff that he is coming back, ask asks them not to bother Flores, whom he calls "my girl," according to police.
Authorities say this is one of several pieces of incriminating evidence they have against Van der Sloot, as well as bloody clothes he was carrying with him when he was caught in Chile.
ROMO (on camera): Police say they have the testimonies of staff at both the hotel and the casino where the victim and the suspect met, positively identifying Joran Van der Sloot. They also say they're analyzing forensic evidence that may link the suspect to the murder.
ROMO (voice-over): Police say Van der Sloot has asked to see his mother. While he was being shown to the press inside the criminal investigations building, a spectacle unveiled outside. Peruvian shamans performed a ritual calling for supernatural punishment for the 23-year-old Dutchman.
Rafael Romo, CNN, Lima, Peru.
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SANCHEZ: I want to take you through some of this surveillance video once again. It's the last time that Stephany Flores was seen alive. What does it say about her state of mind, and what about Joran Van der Sloot's state of mind?
I've got a former FBI agent who is going to be joining me here who has been following this case. In fact, he and I have talked in the past about this. It's good to see you, sir. This is interesting, because it makes us think about Natalee Holloway and what went on in Aruba. You and I after the break.
Also, take a look at this -- adding fuel to the Arizona fire, a group of artists has been asked to lighten the faces of children in the giant public mural at an Arizona school. What is the deal, many are asking, with that. This is your list. I'll be right back.
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SANCHEZ: Welcome back. Here we go. Harold Copus is good enough to join us again, a former FBI special agent. He worked the Natalee Holloway story down in Aruba. And suddenly it's Mr. Joran Van der Sloot all over again.
Glad you're here.
HAROLD COPUS, FORMER FBI AGENT: Thank you.
SANCHEZ: Let's start with the video. If we could, let's start with the video of him walking with the young Flores lady into the lobby. All right, there he is. And he's walking into the lobby of the hotel. You don't see her here, but we will in just a moment when they go into the room.
Let's go to the next shot, if we can. You'll see the one where he walks into the room with her. This is the same shot, guys. All right, we can try this again.
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Do we have the shot of them walking into the room? There we go. OK. There's the video of them walking out of the lobby, and, Harold, anything here you see?
COPUS: Nothing special here. Now you see him going into the room.
SANCHEZ: Now they're going into the room. OK. It just looks like a typical situation.
But now you see him walking out -- he's by himself. I'll ask you in a moment about his behavior. Now he goes by the lobby of the hotel. Remember, this is a woman who ended up murdered, OK? Somebody killed her.
He goes by the lobby. Says to the lobby receptionist, hey, leave her alone, something about wanting to get some sleep. In other words, leave her alone.
COPUS: Leave her alone.
SANCHEZ: What's that tell you right there?
COPUS: Well, what happens is that the things that were not shown, and that is, no one else went into that room. No other video's been released. He's goes in. She's alive. He walks out she comes out on a gurney.
SANCHEZ: Does that tell you they've got him dead to rights?
COPUS: They've got him this time.
SANCHEZ: No question?
COPUS: No question.
SANCHEZ: Who else could have possibly done harm to her after that? What, a hotel maid? Who else could have gone in there?
COPUS: Even if they had, we would have seen the video. We didn't see the video. We see him and her going in alive, him coming out alive. She comes out dead. We've got him. Now you have to go through the physical evidence.
SANCHEZ: Wait, there's another part of the puzzle that I think is significant. Suddenly a guy who's with this woman in Peru ends up in Chile, crossing the border. That tells me he's trying to avoid or get away from something, right? COPUS: Certainly. He's always done this. He's been able to move around and thinks nothing's going happen, based on Aruba. He's not in Aruba any more.
SANCHEZ: Here he is coming back. As you can see, they're trying to protect him.
You were a big part of that investigation in Aruba. Does this convince you now more than ever that he killed Natalee Holloway?
COPUS: I've always believe he killed Natalee. I think now what we have is two racked up. Hopefully they'll negotiate with hinm and he'll tell us where Natalee's body is at.
SANCHEZ: But Natalee Holloway was in many ways circumstantial evidence. And when I say circumstantial, I mean couldn't -- you couldn't make it prima facie -- you couldn't say there's a video, or the knife, like in this case. It was hard to prove it.
COPUS: And you had no body. So he could always claim I don't know what happened. When I left her she was alive. I'm not sure what happened next. We take the same approach and move it to Peru. She was alive when you went into the room with her. She was dead later.
SANCHEZ: But I am mystified by this, and I guess what mystifies me -- if you had literally gotten away with murder. Let's just presume he did, as many people like you say, in that Holloway case. Wouldn't you go find, like, a cave somewhere and never be seen again?
The idea he made possibly murders back-to-back, first makes you think there may be others. And it makes you think he's some kind of human being capable of doing this, as in a serial murder.
COPUS: You ask yourself, how can it be? He's narcissistic and arrogant. He doesn't think anything will hit his skirts.
SANCHEZ: Show that video again, guys. I'm interested in looking at that. I did look at his expression. I don't want to get into psycho-babble try to figure things out looking into their eyes. Somehow, I think I'd look a little guilty.
This is one of him going in. Look at the one coming out. Tell me if you don't think it's bizarre. He's acting pretty natural.
COPUS: Certainly does. Someone told me when you look in his eyes it was almost like looking into something dead. There was nothing there. No emotion. No feeling. That's the key here.
SANCHEZ: There he is going in. Then we'll see him coming out. If you and I were involved in something like this, I'd be sweating bullets.
COPUS: He stares at the camera. He's not sorry.
SANCHEZ: That's bizarre. Thanks for coming on. We'll continue to follow this, because it's fascinating a lot of people. Especially when it's looking like, as you say, they got him.
OK, look at this. BP says that they are collecting a majority of information from these latest pictures. The question is now, is it a good time to buy BP stock?
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I asked that question, because what's going on Wall Street. And who knows what's going on on Wall Street? Poppy Harlow with the CNN Money List coming up as the market gets ready to close. We'll be right back.
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SANCHEZ: OK. BP stock has take an beating since the April 20th oil rig explosion, as you might imagine. Today we're told that the stock price is actually up, and Poppy Harlow is here to tell us what's going on. This is her Money List.
POPPY HARLOW, CNNMONEY.COM: It is.
SANCHEZ: What is it with BP stock that makes people want to buy it?
HARLOW: Well, they did. They did this morning, Rick, BP stock up about four percent this morning. Why do you care? Because the stock was off 38 percent since that April 20th explosion.
Some buyers came into the market this morning. They liked the news that BP's containment cap is partially working, helping siphon off some of that oil progressively, more and more of that oil. That's why it's on the top of our list today.
Look what happened to BP. The market is way off, 120 points. BP stock just in the last little while fell about 1 1/10 percent. It's interesting also, and why it's on the top of our money list, President Obama today saying that federal officials, Rick, have been assigned to "ride her" stay on BP, and also insist that that compensation towards everyone from the fishermen, the oyster farmers that they all get that compensation quickly and on a timely basis.
So a lot of interesting comments from the president, from Thad Allen. Investors really liked BP this morning. They sold off this afternoon in a big way and a pretty steep decline here in the afternoon (INAUDIBLE)
SANCHEZ: Down 117 why do I get a feeling when all of this is said and done the ones who are going to make out the best are the lawyers. Poppy Harlow
HARLOW: You're right, you're exactly right
SANCHEZ: Thank so much for this report we'll look forward to seeing you again tomorrow.
