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Joran van der Sloot Confesses to Murder; Primary Day

Aired June 08, 2010 - 15:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

RICK SANCHEZ, CNN ANCHOR: Good stuff Ali We have just made contact with the Holloway family lawyer in Aruba, as in Natalee Holloway. She is going to join me here live.

Here's what else we got:

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SANCHEZ (voice-over): Here's what's making the LIST on this day.

Joran van der Sloot, one down, and one to go. It's official. He confesses to killing a woman in Peru, but what about Natalee Holloway? There are a bevy of new details that may tie these two cases, and we got them.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right now, I'm not seeing any bands of oil on the Gulf, which is good news.

SANCHEZ: Where is the oil? Where is it heading and what does it mean for beach towns on the Gulf Coast?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We're significantly down. Our tourism has dropped 40 percent to 50 percent.

SANCHEZ: Voters are off to the polls today in 12 states, including California, South Carolina, Arkansas. Who will win? Who will lose? And what will the results say about the mood of the nation?

The lists you need to know about. Who's today's most intriguing? Who's landed on the list you don't want to be on? Who's making news on Twitter? It's why I keep a list.

Pioneering tomorrow's cutting-edge news right now.

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SANCHEZ: And hello again, everybody. I'm Rick Sanchez.

A lot of news going on on this day, but we decided to go with this story, because it seems to be the one that is trending, the one that everyone seems to be talking and asking questions about.

Joran van der Sloot, who was arrested twice and released in the 2005 disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway, he has confessed to murder. Have you heard? The 22-year-old Dutch man admits to killing 21-year-old Stephany Flores in his hotel room in Peru, because, he says -- get this -- she was asking too many questions about Natalee Holloway. But the question everyone is asking is, how will this impact now the Natalee Holloway case?

Van der Sloot's contention was reportedly a tearful one. He told Peruvian officials: "I did not want to do it. The girl intruded into my private life."

Here's the story. He says that Flores was searching his laptop and discovered that -- van der Sloot's arrest and information about his disappearance in the Natalee Holloway case in Aruba. Well, van der Sloot claims that's when he became enraged and began beating Flores to death.

Officials say he broke her neck. The killing was so brutal. Now, with this confession, the young woman's family is convinced now more than ever that he was involved in Natalee's disappearance as well.

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CAROLINA JORGE, SISTER-IN-LAW OF VICTIM: We need justice for our family, for Natalee's family, too. I think he's a psycho, a murderer, and he has to pay.

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SANCHEZ: Harold Copus is joining us now. He's a former FBI agent and prime investigator in the Holloway case.

Thanks for joining us, as usual. Good to see you here.

What do you make of these revelations all of a sudden today, many of which you said yesterday would likely go down, and quickly?

HAROLD COPUS, FORMER FBI AGENT: Well, I'll tell you, it is surprising. Now what we have to hope is that he will then try making a deal and, in exchange for that deal, get maybe a reduction in the sentence, tell us something about now Natalee Holloway. SANCHEZ: Harold, what do you make of this story about he became enraged when he saw this young woman get into his laptop and start apparently Googling or searching information about his ties to the Natalee Holloway case?

COPUS: That's strange. When you think about it, you have to say, gosh, this guy's been around. People have looked, checked him out.

SANCHEZ: Right.

COPUS: We have heard that the family had heard about this -- this guy. That doesn't make any sense.

SANCHEZ: Does it make you more likely to think that he's guilty of the Natalee Holloway disappearance? Does it tell you anything, that -- that particular behavior here? COPUS: Well, the behavior tells you that you can't trust this guy. It says he will go off just like this, a hair trigger.

The question now will come down, what can you tell me about Holloway, Natalee, and tell me what happened there.

SANCHEZ: Can I ask you a question. How do you break someone's neck a small, confined space like a hotel room without making a lot of noise and having other people find out?

COPUS: Well, it sounds horrible, but actually it's not necessarily that difficult if you're strong. We're talking about a girl who probably is nowhere near his strength, and it doesn't take much to do a twist on that neck.

SANCHEZ: How did they get him to confess?

COPUS: I think, in this particular case, it was just an abundance of evidence. We have the tape -- and you and I saw that yesterday -- of him going in and out of that room. No one else goes in and out. Then you have the physical evidence.

There was supposedly blood found on some of his clothing. I suspect that he realized: It's all over. I have no choice.

SANCHEZ: Well, and he was caught sneaking out of the country, essentially trying to escape, right?

COPUS: Oh, yes. Now, tell me --

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COPUS: Tell me why a guy who is, you know, his height, his color, thinks that he's going to blend into someplace in South America. It doesn't make any sense.

SANCHEZ: With simply a fresh haircut.

All right, now let's talk about Natalee Holloway, which is what a lot of our viewers seems to be interested in. I mean, I have been -- as I check Twitter and my e-mails, a lot of people are really now caught back up into this story.

You followed the Natalee Holloway case as closely as anybody. First of all, let me just ask you flat-out, are you convinced that he killed Natalee Holloway?

COPUS: I am.

SANCHEZ: You are?

COPUS: Yes.

SANCHEZ: Well, do you think this new case will get them to somehow use whatever they can, whatever pressure they can apply to him to get him to cop to that killing? COPUS: Oh, I think they will. I think it only makes sense. It's typical investigative techniques that police all over the world use. And that's the fact, listen, I have got this other mystery over here. If you will help me solve it, I will at least tell the judge what you did. Maybe you will get a reduced sentence.

SANCHEZ: But do we get the Peruvians -- do we trust the Peruvians do that for themselves? After all, their case is the Flores case. Or will your former colleagues at the FBI be making phone calls, knocking on the door and trying to see that they somehow have some overview of this case?

COPUS: Well, I think it's a combination of all of that.

The FBI has agents assigned to most major cities around the world. Someone will be there. And, yes, there will be a little bit of influence. And Peru's just like everyone else. They want to say, listen, if we have got this guy and he's a killer, killed someone in our country, and he killed someone else, let's go in and nail that down now.

SANCHEZ: You know, I was talking to some of the family members of the Holloways today. They were gracious enough to take my phone call and we might have an opportunity to talk to them some time real soon, hopefully Beth.

But they were intimating that in many ways they believe that Aruba might be in some strange way responsible for the killing of Ms. Flores by allowing van der Sloot to escape justice there.

Do you think a case could be made for -- I know it would be difficult to make a criminal case or even a civil case, but do you think Aruba, as a nation, in their justice system, did what they could to keep that guy from going on and doing something like this again?

COPUS: Oh, I think, because they waited so long to really do an active investigation, some of those people who were working on that, when they put their head down at night, they have got to say, wait a minute, I may be responsible now for this young girl's death in Peru.

SANCHEZ: Wow.

COPUS: I think it's horrible.

SANCHEZ: Wow. So, they may have screwed that thing up?

COPUS: Oh, I think so.

SANCHEZ: So much so that another girl died as a result.

COPUS: Right.

SANCHEZ: Good stuff. You are going to stick with us, right?

COPUS: Yes. SANCHEZ: We expect that there's going to be more information coming in. And as it does, we are going to clear some of it through you. We have got correspondents standing by there in Lima as well. And we're going to get to all of this.

So, thanks, Harold, for coming in. What a story.

COPUS: OK.

SANCHEZ: Meanwhile, this is primary day in parts of the United States. Whose coattails are going to be longer on this day? Will it be the president of the United States, President Obama's coattails? Will it be the Tea Party coattails? Perhaps something else. Nevada, Arkansas, California, nine others, we are live in many of these places.

And we have also gotten this, by the way. I want to show you something now. Put this map up, if you would, Dee (ph). Look at this. We have got exclusive access to this scientific animation which shows the movement of the oil slick closest to the Gulf Coast. That's as it's moving and we will talk about where it's going next. That's important information. That's news you can use.

This is your LIST, your national conversation. This is RICK'S LIST.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Rick (INAUDIBLE) from Michigan.

I just wanted to know if we could send an expandable plug into the casing of the well and activate it by radio control to expand at a desired depth?

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SANCHEZ: Hey, welcome back. I'm Rick Sanchez. This is RICK'S LIST.

Now the story that won't go away, BP collecting more oil with that cap that they put over the broken well in the Gulf. They say 621,000 gallons have been sucked up over the past day. Can't really quantify just how well the process is working, because nobody knows just how much oil is actually gushing from the well.

The nightmare scenario is for Florida. And this is from Central Florida University, a study they did, that finds that the oil crisis could cost Florida $11 billion, with a B, $11 billion, and put 195,000 people out of work if things continue as they are.

All right, that's the bad news. Let's see if we can get to something that makes us think that maybe this cannot get to that point. People have been canceling beach vacations all along -- up and down the Gulf Coast. That's a problem. Chad Myers is here now. And he wants to take us through something which I think is really important, because if I was sitting at home and I was watching Chad Myers and Rick Sanchez, do you know what I would want to know? All right, what -- where -- what is it, where is it, and where is it going?

Can you do that for us?

CHAD MYERS, CNN METEOROLOGIST: I can try.

SANCHEZ: All right.

MYERS: I knew where it was. I know where it was.

SANCHEZ: Yes.

MYERS: I know where it's headed. A cold front changes everything, though.

SANCHEZ: Really?

MYERS: A cold front takes the wind and blows it offshore, which would be great news.

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SANCHEZ: To be fair, though, the stuff that we have seen so far, they're basically -- with the exception of some outer islands, they're all tar balls, right? There's not massive quantities of oil anywhere.

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MYERS: Correct. And we may only ever get to see tar balls. That might be the best-case scenario. Because of how far this is away from Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, those Gulf Coast beaches, we may never see the oil that we saw in the Mississippi Delta, because that oil that is in the Delta was fresher, not as old, not as weathered, not as evaporated out as what was so close.

SANCHEZ: Right.

MYERS: It took no time for that oil to go from the wellhead right onto Louisiana coast. But it's taking a longer time to get to Florida.

But it's -- I still don't want my kids swimming in that water if tar balls are floating around.

SANCHEZ: Yes.

All right, let's do this. We got a -- let's go over here, you and I.

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MYERS: Oh, sure. SANCHEZ: We had a scientist that we reached out to. And he is going to be join us in the next hour, and he's going to be explaining his diagrams for him, but he sent this to us.

MYERS: Yes.

SANCHEZ: And this is the Department of Earth, Ocean, and Atmospheric Science, MacDonald image lab, and these are some of the scientists that sent us this image. Take it away.

MYERS: Dauphin island right there --

SANCHEZ: Right.

MYERS: -- one the first places that we saw oil wash up on a -- really a beachy surface. There was obviously oil back in the marshes and back in the Chandeleur Islands and so on, but people don't live there. People do live on Dauphin Island.

This yellow area right there was what was on the ground or on the water.

SANCHEZ: May 31.

MYERS: May 31.

SANCHEZ: Yes.

MYERS: And now we will move you ahead on to June 1 . June 1 is this red zone here.

SANCHEZ: Right.

MYERS: These are images taken -- literally space agencies taking images figuring out where the thick oil is. Notice it never did make its way all the way to the coast just yet. That's great.

And then, for June 3, a couple of days ago, here you go.

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SANCHEZ: This is -- this is --

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MYERS: Pensacola.

SANCHEZ: Pensacola.

MYERS: Pensacola right there.

SANCHEZ: Florida ends right there?

MYERS: Yes, sure.

(CROSSTALK) SANCHEZ: So, now we got Alabama over there.

MYERS: Orange Beach all the way down, Pensacola. You keep on going, Destin, Sandestin, all the way -- and it's still tracking this way.

So, with onshore wind, the wind blowing this way, the oil, the tar balls will make it onshore, will definitely get to the beaches. With the wind blowing the other way, it keeps the water and the oil offshore just a little bit, which would be great.

But it's going to end up somewhere. The older it gets, the longer it takes -- this oil was here four days before, but it's getting older and older and older and older. The older it gets, the more tarry it gets, the easier it is to pick up.

SANCHEZ: We have got some folks who have been sending us in ideas, because it seems like some folks are saying, well, I don't think some of the so-called oil and gas experts have this thing figured out. So, let's turn it over to the American people.

Here's one good American who decided to send us his idea. Let's take a look at it together. Go ahead. Do that, Dee.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The entire top of the bucket is full of (INAUDIBLE) oil. Does everybody agree?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. Here, I have a piece of half-inch media. I'm not giving any other secrets on our media. We will set it on top of the water. This is real time. And you can already see where -- and look at all the oil that we --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Look at all the clean water.

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SANCHEZ: You know, I'm not a scientist. I'm not going to sit here and judge these or grade them one by one, but I will tell you this. The boom method that they're using now they have been using for, like, 60, 70 years. There must be something out there that works either as well or better.

MYERS: Sure. And peat moss is working. We saw that.

SANCHEZ: thank

MYERS: We saw that work on -- you can go to YouTube and watch that work. It doesn't absorb water. It only absorbs the oil. The problem is picking it up later. Where do I find whatever that was media was --

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MYERS: And it looked like an air filter.

SANCHEZ: Right. It was an air filter. Yes. It was a home air filter.

MYERS: Right.

So, where do I get 10,000 square miles of that and how do I lay it on the ocean and how do I pick it up?

SANCHEZ: That's the problem.

MYERS: Right. It's a manual labor problem, because the scope of this oil is so large now.

SANCHEZ: We're going to be -- the guys who sent us this, by the way, join me back at 4:00, because we're going to be talking to him, all right?

MYERS: Absolutely.

SANCHEZ: And he's going to take us through his diagram.

Listen, watch this now, if you would.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He's just out in the middle of the -- middle of the highway.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And he's staying on the yellow line.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He is. He must be --

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SANCHEZ: This is not an animal park, believe it or not. This is a regular roadway. Hey, buddy, you want to move it? That's ahead.

Also, it's primary day in parts of the country, and some big names may be going down. Jessica Yellin is live with that for us next. She's in California. We will be right back. This is RICK'S LIST.

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SANCHEZ: Welcome back. I'm Rick Sanchez.

Twelve states are holding primaries today, and there's a general theme that seems to be emerging, embattled centrists against their enraged base.

Case in point, let's look at Nevada. Harry Reid is the face of the Democratic majority in the Senate, right? And in Nevada these days, that's not good. No, that -- that's a problem, folks. Think economy. Think health care. Throw in the Tea Party.

It's -- you know, it's got problems for Harry Reid. She's running neck and neck with him, by the way, this Sharron Angle, with the other GOP candidate, former state Senator Sue Lowden, who represents the establishment.

Meanwhile, in California, the path to the governor's mansion for a Republican has been paved by Arnold Schwarzenegger, fiscally conservative, socially moderate. Billionaire and former eBay CEO Meg Whitman was taking that path until Steve Poizner attacked her from the right, casting her as a liberal who is soft on immigration.

Here, listen to this.

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STEVE POIZNER (R), CALIFORNIA GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATE: I'm the one who supports the Arizona immigration law. I'm the one who's going to take tough stands on stopping the flow of illegal immigrants into California. She's not.

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SANCHEZ: Now, some predict this will help who? Former Governor Jerry Brown. You heard that right, Jerry Brown, the man Californians can't seem to say no to. He's the Democratic candidate in the race come fall.

Jessica Yellin is at a polling precinct in Burbank. That's where the old NBC studios used to be, where Jay Leno used to hang out.

JESSICA YELLIN, CNN NATIONAL POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes.

SANCHEZ: All right, Jessica, let me start you off with this, because it seems interesting that the Arizona immigration law story that you and I covered a lot while it was going on here, and still is in many ways, has had a toll on the California race. How so?

YELLIN: You know, it's put the front-runner, Meg Whitman, in a very tricky situation, because she is -- has been looking ahead to the general election.

And Steve Poizner, the sound bite you just played, has been nudging her over to the right, trying to get her to say that she supports the Arizona law. She refuses to say it. She says she has a better plan for California, which starts with beefing up border protection.

But the bottom line here is, Rick, in this state, 20 percent of the voters are Latinos, who do not support that Arizona law, largely. And there are a lot of farmers who need seasonal workers who also wouldn't necessarily support the Arizona law. She doesn't want to get pushed too far over. So, it's -- it's put her in some uncomfortable positions. SANCHEZ: Now, I understand that former Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina is being dragged to the right as well, this time by a Tea Party candidate. And it's the first time we talk about a Tea Party candidate in California. What's going on there?

YELLIN: I don't know if she's being dragged so much as skipping happily to the right.

I mean, she has campaigned aggressively as the true conservative in this race. She's called one of her moderate opponents Republican in name only. She insists that she is the most conservative candidate and has taken some fairly right positions that don't necessarily reflect the views of most Californians.

But she's banking on this belief that Barbara Boxer, the incumbent Democrat, is just so unpopular that people will want to throw her out and replace her with Fiorina, the businesswoman, despite some of Fiorina's socially conservative positions. Polls don't show that's true right now. They show that Boxer would beat Fiorina, but there's still plenty of time and lots of money to be spent on that race.

SANCHEZ: Just to the east where you are is a place called Nevada and a man named Harry Reid, who's had just about more than he can muster throughout these last couple months. What's going on with Harry Reid's case?

YELLIN: Now, this is a remarkable story. Obviously, as you said, Rick, he's the prime target. The Republicans want to take him down because he's the face of the Democratic Party in the Senate.

SANCHEZ: Right.

YELLIN: It looked like there were strong candidates who could take him down, but all of a sudden there's been an upset, and the most likely candidate, Sue Lowden, in the Republican race, has been overtaken by a Tea Party favorite, Sharron Angle, who is polling really well.

But it looks like her positions might be so far to the right that Harry Reid could eke out a victory. And I actually had a chance to talk to him a few weeks back. You want to take a listen to what he said to me?

SANCHEZ: Sure, yes.

YELLIN: Can Roger play it? OK.

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YELLIN: How will you win?

SEN. HARRY REID (D-NV), MAJORITY LEADER: By getting more votes than the rest of the people.

YELLIN: How will you get that? REID: Well, we will work hard. We have the organization. I have great people around me. I have a good party organization. And people know that I'm independent. I'm independent, just like Nevada. I don't vote win strictly on Democratic votes.

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SANCHEZ: Well, that -- that and the fact that it always helps to have your opponent say that we should pay for our doctors with chickens.

YELLIN: Oh, my gosh, she really said it, and she did. And then she doubled down. After she said it, she said, yes, I meant it.

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SANCHEZ: Well, you can't make this stuff up.

Well, that's interesting. Well, Lowden had a better chance of beating Harry Reid than Angle has, so it looks like this may have worked to Harry Reid's favor, but we will see. It's all up to the voters, right?

YELLIN: We will see. There's a new poll out showing Angle might be doing well against Reid, too. So, as they say in politics, time will tell, Rick.

SANCHEZ: Time will tell. Hey, thanks so much. Don't get too much sun out there, OK? We appreciate seeing you. We will look forward to seeing you some more.

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SANCHEZ: And, as a matter of fact, folks, want you to know that we're going to be covering all the primaries today. We are going to be taking you to juicy South Carolina, with everything going on there, in a little bit. We will be talking to one of our correspondents, as well as Arkansas and the Blanche Lincoln race. We will catch you up on both of those if you stay with us here on RICK'S LIST.

Meanwhile, Joran van der Sloot confesses to killing a Peruvian woman. Will this break open the Natalee Holloway case, as many already seem to be intimating it either has or will? There's so much new information on this story I'm going to bring you.

Also, as we think about the 11 men killed in this oil rig blast in the Gulf of Mexico, we started asking ourselves here at RICK'S LIST, what are the most dangerous jobs in the America? What are they? What do you think they are? This list may actually surprise you.

Let me start it off for you. You ready? Number five, farmers and ranchers have one of the most dangerous jobs in America. Number four, steel and iron workers. Did you have that one figured out? Steel and iron workers, the fourth most dangerous job to have in the United States.

So, what are the top three? Are oil rig workers in there? They're always in the news. How about miners? We talk about them a lot. Which place you think they're in? You're about to find out. So, stay right here. I'm going to complete the list with the top three.

This is your national conversation, RICK'S LIST. You talk to me, and I will be right back.

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SANCHEZ: And I welcome you back. I'm Rick Sanchez. This is RICK'S LIST, your LIST.

Before the break, I told you the fifth and the fourth most dangerous jobs in America, farmers and ranchers, followed by steel and iron workers. Did you guess the top three most dangerous jobs?

Now, I bet some of you thought you would be hearing about oil rig workers or miners, right? Well, let's see. Here we go.

Number three, no, it's pilots and flight engineers, pilots and flight engineers, most dangerous jobs in America. Number two, loggers. Have you seen one of though shows on Discovery channels? You will figure this one out pretty quick.

But what is the number-one most dangerous job in America? Fishermen. They are, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the most likely job to cause death on the job in the United States.

All right. We've got a development coming in to us right now. Let me share it to you because it was just handed to me a little while ago, and here's what I can say. And maybe we'll be able to show this here in just a little bit.

We are being told that Joran van der Sloot, who, as you know, has copped to killing this Peruvian woman, Flores -- Stephany Flores, is about to take authorities back to the hotel where it happened. And he will lead authorities in a reenactment at the crime scene at the Hotel TAC in Lima.

So, we understand this could be happening shortly. Obviously, as soon as it does, you're looking video there of him leaving the hotel as he told one of the receptionists don't wake up the girl. And then disappeared three days later, they found her body.

Well, he's going to be going back to that hotel to do a reenactment according to police for them. And it could happen any moment. And if it does, we'll tell you about it. If we have video, we'll show it to you. If get a chance to talk to somebody down there who can take us through it, we'll do that as well.

And don't forget, we're going to be talking to one of the attorneys who handle the Joran van der Sloot case down in Aruba several years ago.

So, all of that is coming your way right here.

Meanwhile, take a look at this video now. This video just came in to us a little while ago, as well. These are oil birds -- more oily birds. They're being plucked out of the Gulf. We'll get more of this video as well. And you know, it always has an impact on folks watching the story. And those are the folks who are trying to clean them up and getting them back out, the ones they can save.

And a "Washington Post" reporter goes out on an antique plane to tell a story. He had no idea just how good this story was going to be. The ouch is coming after the break! There it goes. We'll be right back.

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SANCHEZ: In college, I learned about something that is called from one of my professors at the University of Minnesota -- have I told you I'm a Golden Gopher? I did, right? OK. I just wanted to check. It's called "unfortunate juxtaposition." They make the best pictures.

Here now, "Fotos Del Dia."

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SANCHEZ: How's this for juxtaposition? This crash resulted in a rather uncomfortable position for the pilot. And guess who was inside the plane? It was a "Washington Post" -- yes, a "Washington Post" reporter doing a story. He had no idea just how good his story would be -- so good it flipped him out. Get it?

The plane went nose over tail on landing. No one was injured, which is why I jest. The plane is one of eight in town as part of a publicity stunt. It's called biplane, by accident, you might say.

Now, look at this. Holy cow!

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Middle of the highway.

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SANCHEZ: Buffalo, actually. Yes, middle of the highway is right. Yes, that's a full-grown buffalo taking a leisurely stroll down a centerline of a highway in Montana, not far from the northeast Yosemite National Park. It looks like home on the range isn't the only place where buffalos roam. This really isn't an animal park, folks, I swear. It really is a road where cars zoom by.

I guess could you say it is now an animal park.

And then -- whoomp! There it is. Do you remember that song? That's right. Or is he?

Now, this is the new hit single, it's called "Whoomp! There it is." That's a great name for a song where they sing "Whoomp! There it is."

Tag Team is the group. But you'll notice that there's somebody in the video. Who is that? Have you figured it?

Craig, have you figured it out? Look at the video. Who is?

That's the president of the United States, Craig.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No. No.

SANCHEZ: OK. It's not.

The look-alike may be a dead ringer for the president of the United States, but the future president would have been too busy teaching law to make an appearance at the time. Nonetheless, it's an interesting video we thought we'd show you because it's making the rounds all over the place on the Internet -- or Internets or Googles.

You can see all of this on my blog, just look for "Fotos Del Dia" and click!

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SANCHEZ: The newest iPhone is out. Have you seen it? And what is the impact on the financial markets? That's ahead.

And Joran van der Sloot confessed to murdering a Peruvian girl, but is this tied to Natalee Holloway's disappearance? I'm going to be talking to an attorney who used to represent Natalee's father. That's next, right here on THE LIST.

Stay with us.

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CALLER: Hey, Rick, this is Bob from Peoria, Illinois. I say we freeze BP's assets. We take charge of this thing ourselves. We'll clean it up. And we'll send them a bill. This will get done the right way.

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SANCHEZ: Brooke Baldwin's joining us now. She joins us every day to talk about the trending stories, and, you know, we looked at a lot of trending stories. But there's no question --

BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes.

SANCHEZ: -- that the one story that's trending the most is the Joran van der Sloot story. I mean, everyone relates to it and I know it was out of the news for a long time. But, I mean, now that it's really a double dip for this guy, what people believe is true --

BALDWIN: Right, right.

SANCHEZ: -- is true, that happened in Aruba. Did you expect just, you know, 24 hours after we reported the story yesterday for the first time on this newscast --

BALDWIN: Right, the confession.

SANCHEZ: -- that he'd be copping to it?

BALDWIN: Oh, my gosh, no. And we were talking in the editorial meetings about really the detail we're getting in terms of this young woman, you know, getting on his laptop as -- you know, I think it's normal practice.

SANCHEZ: Yes.

BALDWIN: You know, you're maybe googling someone and she gets this information. And obviously, he's so enraged that he, you know, confesses all of this.

SANCHEZ: What does that -- what does that say that he becomes enraged? He has to know that people -- for everywhere he goes, it's not like he changed his name, right?

BALDWIN: No. I've been talking to Harold Copus ever since I've been up here in the last 20 minutes. And he said, look, this guy is obviously very full of rage. He was just saying, how in the world does somebody snap like that? And that's what it is.

There's so many -- and, obviously, one of my questions is: how might this be connected to Natalee Holloway and to Aruba?

SANCHEZ: Let's go there.

BALDWIN: Yes.

SANCHEZ: Vinda de Sousa is a lawyer in Aruba. She represented Dave Holloway. That's Natalee's father. And she's good enough to join us now by phone.

Counselor, are you there?

VINDA DE SOUSA, HOLLOWAY FAMILY LAWYER (via telephone): I'm here, Rick. Good afternoon.

SANCHEZ: What do you make of the developments in Peru? You, of all people, must be just stunned.

DE SOUSA: Yes, I am. First of all, I still represent Dave Holloway and his wife, Robin Holloway. I maintain them as a client and I still am.

SANCHEZ: Good.

DE SOUSA: And, of course, I'm very interested in the developments in Peru as is Dave and Robin, and I'm sure the rest of the family.

I expected him to snap at a certain moment, because the difference with the case in Aruba with Natalee Holloway and the case there is that you have a body there. So, there is -- he could be confronted with evidence. Here, he could not. Up until this point, he hasn't been confronted with evidence because simply -- because due to the lack of it.

But now that he was confronted with evidence and with the facts, he snapped quicker than I thought. And I was -- I was surprised

SANCHEZ: What do you do, as a prosecutor -- as a lawyer now, to try to get your case made on the back of this case? Or is there is there anything you can do?

DE SOUSA: No. Not really. Not really. You know, it's two different jurisdictions. Peru is going to try and investigate and try the suspect there based on the case that happened there.

SANCHEZ: But, wait! But wait, but wait, but wait -- let me just stop you real quick.

DE SOUSA: OK.

SANCHEZ: There have been all kinds of inferences made, Counselor, saying that there's a possibility that either the FBI or you or Aruban authorities can go to him or go to the Peruvians and say, look, make a deal with this guy. If he's willing to cop or admit to Natalee Holloway's murder and explain to us how he did it or where he hid the body, we'd be willing to take away five years or two years or something. Isn't that worth it?

DE SOUSA: Well, that's exactly -- that's exactly where I was heading at, and that's how I -- I spoke to the "A.P." as well exactly in the same forum that you're saying. That what I see that could happen in this case is when he's confronted with what happened and obviously he confessed, and then something will make him crack, and maybe put him -- his thinking caps on and say, hey, let me try and cut a deal so that, you know, I can -- I can at least get less of a charge. That I think is what's going -- he's going to try to do that and I think is what the authorities will try to do.

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BALDWIN: Vinda, let me jump in. I know you're still representing Dave Holloway. You're still in touch with him. And you're asking, obviously, in the wake of this confession, what is he hoping for? I mean, is he hoping that this confession in Peru might compel Joran van der Sloot so strongly --

DE SOUSA: Exactly.

BALDWIN: -- that he will then confess --

DE SOUSA: Yes, exactly.

BALDWIN: -- and finally give this family this closure that I'm sure --

DE SOUSA: You're absolutely right. You're absolutely right.

BALDWIN: Yes.

DE SOUSA: And him and I spoke about this, and that's exactly my opinion. We're hoping that it will compel him. Maybe in exchange for some deal, we don't care. But as long as, you know, there's closure and that we get to know what happened.

SANCHEZ: Do you -- I wonder, Brooke, I was talking with Harold a little while ago about this -- Do you think, as some are suggesting, including members of the Holloway family, that in some way -- and I hate to put you in a bad spot here, Counselor, because I know you have to go to court and face these judges there, but in some way, Aruba may be responsible?

BALDWIN: As in had Aruba --

SANCHEZ: Yes, for the death --

BALDWIN: -- found him guilty, then this never would have happened in Peru.

SANCHEZ: Exactly. For the death of Miss Flores. Is there some culpability, some liability there?

DE SOUSA: That's a question directed towards me, right?

SANCHEZ: Yes.

BALDWIN: Yes.

DE SOUSA: Yes, OK. Yes and no. There is no sense of culpability in saying that had we found him guilty, or had Aruba found him guilty, then this would not have happened. The Arubans are outraged towards Joran, because he lied so much and he made it so impossible to ever find out what happened, so that we could charge him, so that he was have to -- we have to let him go and that this happened.

The rage is directed towards him. Not towards any feeling of culpability, because -- I heard today a counselor in Peru explaining their legal system. And basically, it works the same way as it does here. They're looking for evidence before charging. And I know that in the States it's the other way around.

SANCHEZ: Are you going to file -- finally, are you going to file any kind of papers or is there any news you can make here telling us what the process will be on the Natalee Holloway case next? What's the next shoe to drop that we need to be --

DE SOUSA: We already filed -- when Beth and Dave first became my clients five years ago, we already filed -- we already filed papers to join in the criminal process as the victimized party and that still stands. So, if anything on the case surfaces, we will be informed accordingly --

SANCHEZ: OK.

DE SOUSA: -- in order not to jeopardize the investigation. But if and when it comes to closure and should he be brought to trial, we will be invited to be at the trial and submit our grievances in order to obtain punitive damages.

SANCHEZ: That's interesting. That's interesting.

DE SOUSA: Yes.

SANCHEZ: That is newsworthy.

DE SOUSA: A civilian party can join to file for damages.

SANCHEZ: Vinda de Sousa, attorney in Aruba, my thanks to you for joining us. And keep in touch. We hope to be able talking to you -- talk to you some more as the process continues.

DE SOUSA: Thank you for having me.

SANCHEZ: By the way, you mentioned there closure a little while ago.

BALDWIN: Yes.

SANCHEZ: We got a tweet that just came in a little while ago.

BALDWIN: Oh, yes?

SANCHEZ: Take a look at this, you know, in answer to your comment. "Closure is good. Justice is better." Quite well made.

BALDWIN: Amen.

SANCHEZ: Quite well taken.

Thank you.

BALDWIN: Hey, you're welcome.

SANCHEZ: All right. Let's do this. Let's take a look at what's coming up here.

Take a look at this video, throughout all of this coverage from Peru, there's an element of a sad irony. In fact, you heard Brooke mention this a little while ago. And it just keeps coming up, the fact that the murder of Stephany Flores comes on the fifth anniversary of Natalee Holloway's disappearance.

A mother's never-ending search for her daughter leads me to my most intriguing person -- my most intriguing person in the news today. Who do you think it is? You probably already figured it out. Tweet me. I'll tell you if you're right during the commercial.

We'll be right back.

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SANCHEZ: Welcome back. I'm Rick Sanchez.

It is time now -- see if you have figured this one out -- time to check the list of the most intriguing people in the news on this day.

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SANCHEZ: Intriguing today because every time the words "Aruba" or "Joran van der Sloot" are mentioned, she is painfully reminded of her daughter Natalie who would be 23 years old today. This lady -- that's her on the right, helped open a non-profit facility today that bears the name of her daughter. It is a place dedicated to helping families of missing persons, the Natalee Holloway Resource Center in Washington.

Beth Holloway is Natalee's mother. Today, she urged supporter to keep the family of the young Peruvian woman alleged killed by Joran van der Sloot in their hearts and prayers.

Beth Natalee is somehow drawing strength from her loss to think of others. She is on this day the "Most Intriguing Person in the News."

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SANCHEZ: We've gotten exclusive access to this scientific animation which shows the movement of the oil slick closest to the Gulf Coast. Where is the oil and where is it heading? That's ahead. Stay right there.

By the way, hey, you ever want to be on the show with us? All you got do is call this number. And you can join us here on set as we often -- as you often see, some of our viewers hanging out with us. The number is 1877-4CNN-TOUR -- 1877-4CNN-TOUR.

We will be right back.

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SANCHEZ: In the minds of many Americans, they're not exactly the most credible organization, given their track record in the last month or so. But nonetheless, they have been putting out information and we would like to share with you the information that they're putting out.

Here's BP's latest tweet. We follow tweets that are relevant to the news of the day. Update from BP America on June 7th, today, "Approximately 14,800 barrels of oil were collected and 30.6 million cubic feet of natural gas flared." It finishes by saying, "Operations stable."

That's the BP tweet of the day, giving us the information on how the coverage (ph) is going. We'll keep tabs on them for you.

Meanwhile, Joran van der Sloot makes a confession. Is it the only though? The latest on this fluid story is ahead.

And then Poppy Harlow is taking a close look at the new iPhone. Have you seen it? Do we need any new iPhone? What was wrong with the other one?

And, by the way, how is this going to affect the market? I mean, are people going to go out and buy whatever the stock is that makes the iPhone? That's what I want to know. And that's what Poppy is going to answer when we come back.

Stay right there.

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SANCHEZ: Welcome back.

Time now to talk to our friend Poppy Harlow. Why? Because she has some really cool toy that she's going to be showing us. In fact, I understand she's been playing with it all day long.

Would you put the thing down?

POPPY HARLOW, CNNMONEY.COM: You are setting everyone up for disappointment here, Rick. They're going to like to switch off when they know I don't have the phone. I'll show you Steve Jobs right here --

SANCHEZ: OK.

HARLOW: -- with the new iPhone. It's all the buzz and it's on top of our CNN Money list today, because, of course, the CEO of Apple unveiled the iPhone 4 in San Francisco yesterday at the Worldwide Developers Conference.

And, Rick, by the way, a side note here. Apparently, tickets to that conference went for as much as $1,500 --

SANCHEZ: Oh, my God.

HARLOW: -- and sold out in eight days because people wanted to see the new iPhone.

SANCHEZ: Well, I thought -- I thought as cool and as connected as you are, because you really are the cat's meow, you know? But Steve would have sent you one by now. I thought you'd be -- you'd have it right there.

HARLOW: I XYZ. No, but someone did Gizmodo this blog, got a hold of one of the new iPhones like a month ago.

SANCHEZ: Right.

HARLOW: I think it's April actually -- played with it. And so, Steve Jobs said at the conference, if you think you've already seen this, but you actually haven't. A lot of things, Rick. There's a video camera on the front so you can video chat, 24 percent thinner, bigger battery, all that jazz.

It's going to hit the market June 24. We're watching Apple stock today. It's actually down about a half a percent right now.

SANCHEZ: Uh-oh!

HARLOW: But, of course, it hasn't hit the market yet. These sales -- they're definitely going help Apple.

But also, Rick, I want to tell you about some more serious news. Of course, you're top of the BP story. So are we here at CNN Money, looking at the end of close here. A good day for the market -- the stock market is up -- across the board higher for the Dow. The NASDAQ a little lower.

But looking at shares of all of these offshore drillers, BP, Transocean, some of the other competitors, they're all severely down, Rick, today.