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Interview With Florida Congressman Connie Mack; BP Begins Static Kill; Saving Wounded Troops; Killing to Defend His Country; Preacher Wants to Burn Korans
Aired August 03, 2010 - 16:00 ET
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SANCHEZ: And hello again, everybody. I'm Rick Sanchez. Here we go with your LIST.
I want to tell you right now about somebody -- somebody who makes Sheriff Joe Arpaio 100 percent correct, the reason we should not only control our borders, but have the right to kick people out of this country.
That's right. The United States of America should have the right to kick people out of this country, people who are here illegally. Which ones?
Well, this is a story about a man in Virginia, reportedly an illegal immigrant. He's accused in a vehicle crash that killed a nun and put two others in the hospital. And get this. He's now been charged with his third DUI in five years.
Now, take a look at this report from affiliate WJLA.
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CECILIA DWYER, PRIORESS, BENEDICTINE SISTERS OF VIRGINIA: Sister Charlotte called. She said, we have been in a head-on collision on Bristow Road, and it -- and everything is not all right.
UNIDENTIFIED CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The blue Corolla carrying three nuns was hit head-on by this black Outback driven by 23-year-old Carlos Montano, who police say was out on bond awaiting deportation. He had no driver's license, twice convicted of drunk driving. He's now charged with sending Sisters Connie Ruth Lupton and Charlotte Lange into the intensive care and killing Sister Denise Mosier.
DWYER: She would be the first to forgive that young man. I know that.
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SANCHEZ: What's more is, the man was out on bond, as you heard, waiting to be deported, why not, to his native Bolivia, again, not a first-timer offender, broken the law twice before.
So why is he here? Very legitimate question, wouldn't you say? This guy's the poster boy for why states like Arizona may want the right to deport illegal immigrants. But a well-known conservative has come out against Arizona's controversial immigration law.
Republican Representative Connie Mack is good enough to join us now. He is from Florida.
And he compares the law, the one they tried in Arizona, to the Japanese-American internment camps during World War II, saying both are driven by fear and distrust.
Obviously, there's a lot of people out there shaking their heads listening to a Republican -- key word Republican here, like you -- saying something like this. But you've actually written this op-ed piece that caught my attention. It's in "The Washington Post." It's called, why conservatives should oppose Arizona's immigration law. And I have about got a quote here from it.
"I do not want to live in a nation where American citizens are asked, where are your papers? We are better than that."
All right. Here's Congressman Mack. He's joining us now live from Manchester, New Hampshire.
Congressman, thanks so much to you, sir, and regards to your father, my former representative down in South Florida.
REP. CONNIE MACK (R), FLORIDA: Thank you, Rick. Thanks for having me on. And I will make sure to pass along to dad you said hello.
SANCHEZ: All right.
Now, this is interesting, because here you have got a case of a guy who's a triple threat. If anyone should be deported, it's that guy. And, yet, we find ourselves in a situation, with someone like you coming forward and saying, look, we can't let Arizona do something like this.
If nothing else, for the sake of people like this, so they can be deported, what's wrong with Arizona doing what they do?
MACK: Well, first of all, you're right. This is a man who should be deported.
My concern with the Arizona law is that it would severely hinder the freedoms and destroy the freedoms of some U.S. citizens, while others would have no risk of their freedoms being jeopardized. So, someone who -- in Arizona who looks like me would not worry about the law in Arizona.
But other U.S. citizens, other Americans who don't look like me, Rick, they would have a worry about their freedoms being trampled on.
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SANCHEZ: But Americans -- Americans would be watching this conversation between ourselves and wondering most particularly about your responsibility. You're there. You're in Washington. You're one of the guys who has to step forward and come up with some set of ground rules, so that we can move forward as a nation on immigration.
And you guys, Congressmen, haven't done that, don't even seem like you're interested in doing it, because you didn't do it in the last administration, you're not doing it in this one, and there's no signs you will do it in the next one either.
MACK: You're right, Rick, and that's the frustrating point. Both sides, both Republicans and Democrats, this administration and past administrations, have failed. The first order of business needs to be to secure the borders both north and south. This needs to be a priority of not just Republicans or Democrats, but of the United States, of all the people of the United States.
Without securing our borders, we cannot have the security we need and that the citizens of this country deserve. We must secure the border. Second, we need to have interior enforcement, the e-verify, so that employers can verify whether or not someone is here legally when they're looking for a job.
SANCHEZ: Mm-hmm.
MACK: And, if they're not, the employer needs to be punished for hiring people who are here illegally.
SANCHEZ: Well, that's --
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SANCHEZ: Let me just stop --
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SANCHEZ: But I want to stop you on that point because that's a hell of a an important point that you just made.
The emphasis, as we have discussed here on RICK'S LIST, often is on the illegal immigrant. But do you believe that there's enough emphasis put on these employers who are not only hiring these guys, but in some cases actually recruiting them? And why are some people in Washington not agreeing to all come together and say, from now on, you have got to show a card saying you're legal before you get a job in the United States?
MACK: Again, I think we are -- this issue has been caught between the two parties fighting over amnesty. As a Republican, someone who believes in the rule of law and freedom, we do not believe that amnesty is the right way to go.
SANCHEZ: Mm-hmm.
MACK: The other side wants to have amnesty. Neither side is prepared to let the border security and employment verification go through without dealing with the amnesty issue.
I think that's a mistake. America wants and deserves to have border security and employment verification. We can do those things. There is mutual agreement on both sides. That should be the first order of business. Both sides need to stop playing politics with this.
SANCHEZ: Yes. You're --
MACK: And we need to come to the table and say we are going to secure our borders, both north and south, and we're going to ensure that the employers have the tools to verify that people are here looking for a job legally and be -- and have punishments assigned to those employers who hire people here illegally.
SANCHEZ: Congressman Connie Mack, you're brazen to say what you just said, but I hope the American people heard you say it. And I expect that they're going to hold you to it and that, as we move forward, we will start to see not words, but action from folks like you in Washington.
I look forward to having many more conversations with you and others about this -- about this situation with immigration in the United States.
Take care.
MACK: Thank you. Thank you, Rick.
SANCHEZ: Once again, regards to your dad.
MACK: Thank you.
SANCHEZ: By the way, we have got some -- we have got some breaking news going on. And I'm just going to look away for just a moment, because my producers are telling me that they have just sent me a very important e-mail that I'm going go ahead and open on the air and read.
And here we go.
Hey, Chad, I need you.
CHAD MYERS, AMS METEOROLOGIST: Hey.
SANCHEZ: Listen, I'm getting information, and we're breaking the story that static kill has officially begun. It is under way.
First of all, tell our viewers what we mean by that, Chad-O.
MYERS: Well, if you remember, about two months ago, they tried a top kill, which would be considered a static kill, except it wasn't static.
SANCHEZ: Yes. Right.
MYERS: The oil was pouring out of there at 60,000 barrels a day now, as it turns out.
And, so, therefore the mud couldn't go down the hole.
SANCHEZ: Right.
MYERS: The oil was just blowing it out. So, that was called dynamic kill, which was dynamic failure, because it never killed anything.
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MYERS: So, now -- now they're trying dynamic kill, which means -- or static kill --
SANCHEZ: Static kill, yes.
MYERS: -- which means that the oil is no longer moving, so therefore not dynamic, so therefore static and stable and stopped.
And so because the oil is not spewing out anymore, the mud being poured in there at a very slow rate, because they don't want to just try to pressure this -- pressurize this thing and blow the bottom out of -- or the sides out of the blowout preventer, because you could make so much pressure in there that you could blow the thing up. And they don't want to do that.
This could be a 33- to 61-hour process.
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SANCHEZ: Oh, really?
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MYERS: Yes.
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SANCHEZ: Are you serious?
MYERS: Yes.
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SANCHEZ: Well, because I was just going to say, what's different now? I mean, I'm getting these e-mail. My producers are all up in my ear, as they say, saying, OK, it started, it started. And I'm reading this e-mail.
But you and I knew 12 hours ago, when we first reported that they were going to get ready to do this thing. What is the difference between 12 hours ago and now, that there actually is mud being poured in?
MYERS: Correct. What was being poured in earlier today was just oil.
SANCHEZ: OK.
MYERS: They pumped in some oil just to make sure that it wasn't going to come out anywhere else.
SANCHEZ: Right.
MYERS: And so -- and they knew that at some point in time, the hydraulics did fail yesterday. There was a small leak, a hydraulic failure. And so the fluid was stopped. The nuts or bolts or whatever, the fittings were turned and tightened.
SANCHEZ: Right.
MYERS: You have to realize, physical men and women are putting these pieces of equipment together on the surface at zero PSI or whatever --
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SANCHEZ: Yes, equalizing the pressure.
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MYERS: Right. And all of a sudden they have to put this thing down at 7,000 PSI and hope it doesn't leak. Well, sometimes you just can't get bolts that tight. You just can't.
SANCHEZ: Yes.
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MYERS: Sometimes, O-rings don't compress like they will down at 7,000 feet or 8,000 feet. This is about 5,000 feet.
SANCHEZ: I'm wondering. I'm wondering. We're looking at these pictures. Put those back up, Rog, if you possibly could. I wonder if we're going to see anything leaking.
MYERS: Let's hope not.
SANCHEZ: I mean, if there's mud in, there should be a little bit of mud out somewhere.
MYERS: No.
SANCHEZ: But maybe not.
MYERS: No.
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SANCHEZ: This thing is that tight.
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MYERS: There should not be anything coming out.
SANCHEZ: So, we're going to see a tight seal, where the pressure is so good that if you don't see anything, that's good news.
MYERS: I anticipated them, let's say, popping the top a little bit of this and bringing the PSI down to let's say 6,500. It wouldn't have been hard to do.
SANCHEZ: Yes. MYERS: It would have had to have been a physical release of oil and gas to bring that pressure down a little bit, and I just don't think they wanted more politics involved, saying, why did you put more in the atmosphere -- in the water?
SANCHEZ: Right.
MYERS: So, they didn't. I didn't see a popping of oil to bring pressure down. So there's still at almost 7,000 PSI, pounds per square inch. That would crush your skull like you have never seen.
SANCHEZ: Stick around, folks, because Chad's here. We will get some more guests for you.
It's now official. The static kill procedure has begun. So says BP. We're looking at the breaking news. We have got reporters standing by there on the Gulf Coast as well. We will see if we can hear from some of them. And tell your friends and neighbors, the beginning of the end hopefully -- with fingers crossed -- is here.
We will be right back.
MYERS: Part one of two.
SANCHEZ: Part one.
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SANCHEZ: We will be right back.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hey, Rick. This is Keith in Indiana.
Congratulations to Virginia. I wish every state would pass these laws. The illegals have to go back home and then come back legal through the proper channels.
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SANCHEZ: Some of the big issues that we're going to be following for you include the very latest on operation static kill.
You heard us report here just moments ago, breaking the news that it has commenced. And as we get more information about how well it's going, Chad is going to come out and he's going to be sharing that with you.
Meanwhile, we do this list every day, the list about the stories that we're following in the news. And here we go for the roundup list.
Number one: Nine people are dead, and that includes the man who police say went on a shooting spree today at his workplace near Manchester, Connecticut. It happened at a beer distributorship. Some media outlets are reporting that the shooter was a discipline case who had a beef with his bosses.
Authorities says the suspect shot himself. He wasn't killed by responding police. The community is defined -- is in shock, as it's being described to us by correspondents following the story there for you. And everyone today is asking why.
Number two, this is Karachi, Pakistan. Overnight, all hell broke loose when people crammed the streets, firing guns and setting buildings on fire. The angry riots came after a leading police -- political figure was assassinated inside a mosque while attending a funeral. We're told at least 42 people died in the streets, fighting, and the fires.
And here is number three, elsewhere in Pakistan, disaster of a different type. The rain just won't give these people a break. We have been seeing these pictures here on CNN over the last 48 hours. Rushing floodwaters have killed nearly 1,500 people so far. And that's without knowing casualty figures in remote parts of the country.
Rescue crews can't even reach people who have lost their homes. Hundreds of thousands of them are packed in public spaces, like schools and government buildings, until the water reseeds.
Meanwhile, BP and the rest of us are watching this static kill now. We have got the pictures from the bottom of the Gulf. We're going to be sharing that with you. This is the best chance to permanently plug this leak. If it doesn't work, well, then what? We will tell you.
Stay with us. This is RICK'S LIST. We will be right back.
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SANCHEZ: All right.
Before we do anything else, let me take you about 5,000 feet below the surface of the Gulf of Mexico to these live signals that we have been showing. And there you have it.
The good news is, as you look at these pictures, you don't see anything escaping. You don't see oil. You don't see mud. And that means this thing appears to be working, at least to laymen like myself looking at it through this visual inspection.
They're essentially trying to equalize the pressure of mud with the pressure of oil that was coming up on that line. And, eventually, they're saying this might be the solution for this problem in the Gulf of Mexico.
We learned only minutes ago that static kill has officially begun. That's this mud process I was just describing.
One of our correspondents who's thoroughly been on this story since -- well, since a long time now, is David Mattingly. He's there to fill us in on what he's learning from BP officials and others there in New Orleans.
David, take it away.
DAVID MATTINGLY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Rick, this is a very big moment, the single biggest moment in the life of this well since they got the cap on and got the cap to work.
Right now, they're in the process of killing this well. And think about it like this, if you may, that, once they got that cap on, that this well was, in a sense, in a cage. They had it corralled. They had it under control. But it was still alive, still trying to push out.
And now, with this static kill, they're drowning it with mud, pushing this oil back down into the hole that it crawled out and started this disaster. So, once they're done with this, that oil is not going to be a threat. It's going to be completely under control and a disaster over.
It's only going to be a matter of dotting the I's and crossing the T's when they finally finish up with the cementing with that relief well. It's going to come about a week from now. But, again, this is one of the single biggest moments in the life cycle of that well. It is almost over.
SANCHEZ: What is the risk involved, David?
MATTINGLY: Well, there are risks involved in this, because they're putting in this heavy liquid, and they have never been able to look at this well with a pair of X-ray eyes to know exactly what they're dealing with.
They know that there was a terrible explosion that started this disaster. They never really knew exactly what happened to that well underneath the ground, where they couldn't see what happened to it in that explosion.
So, this procedure, this static kill, at the very best, will be able to tell them exactly what they're dealing with down there, if there are any problems with the well, if any seals have been broken, if there are anything like that that might cause problems for them when they finally try to bottom kill with the cement.
So, at the very least here, this is a great learning experience. They're at last going be able to know foot by foot how this well is doing and what kind of integrity that they're working with. That word integrity is something they have been talking about for a long time.
And the fact that they're -- we're going through this procedure now so quickly after that test tells us that they got a lot of good data back from that test. It was supposed to last a couple of hours, and then a couple of hours to go over what they found, and then they go into it. But, boom, two hours later here we go -- are going right into the static kill. So, that in itself was probably good news. (CROSSTALK)
SANCHEZ: Well, for those of you just now joining us, this is David Mattingly. He's talking to us from New Orleans, where the static kill has officially begun. And we're bringing you these developments as they happen.
What I hear you saying, David, is that there's -- because everyone has a concern that they're pushed too much. You know, it's pressure on pressure. And the possibility you push down too much could have something bust open on another end on one of the many pipes that is under the surface.
So, what I hear you just say moments ago though, which is somewhat heartening, is, they can pull back. In other words, if they see, uh-oh, we have got a problem here, it doesn't have to be a catastrophic result. They literally can stop and say, all right, let's stop the pressure and let's continue to plan C, which would be the bottom kill, right?
MATTINGLY: Right.
This entire procedure is just augmenting what they plan to do. And if the static kill is successful, the well will be killed, and that they will just be finishing it off, putting a permanent barrier in there when they go in with the relief well and fill it up.
But if this doesn't work, if they find a problem while they're doing this, then that will give them more ammunition and give them a better knowledge of how this well will respond when they finally do intersect it a week from now with that relief well.
So, everything they're learning is going to help. But the best- case scenario here is that mud will continue to push that oil down and push it all the way back down into the reservoir, where it originally erupted out of. That's the best-case scenario.
And the fact that we jumped from the test right into the static kill so quickly would suggest that they got a lot of good readings back and that they're very confident with taking this next big step forward.
SANCHEZ: That's good news. We will all keep our fingers crossed. Thanks so much, David Mattingly, for bringing us up to date on this breaking story down there in the Gulf.
Any new word at all, let us know, and we will get you right back on the air lickety-split.
All right, now, listen to this. This is man says that he killed somebody to overthrow the government and defend his country. Defend his country made him kill someone. Who is this guy? How did these thoughts get inside of his head, and, most importantly, how many more guys like him are out there? I'm drilling down on this for your sake.
Also, this: (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SPC. JAMES DENNIS, U.S. ARMY: I guess it knocked me out, because I remember pushing myself up off the ground and had all this blood all over me.
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SANCHEZ: Rushed from the war zone -- a fascinating look at what our troops deal with when they come home after suffering injuries in combat -- first-hand accounts like you have never seen them before. That's next on the LIST.
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SANCHEZ: Hey, welcome back.
Just to let you know, as you can see from that image there right behind me, static kill has started. We're -- we're -- it's under way. We just got word about 15 minutes ago that this operation has commenced, and all signs so far are good that this may be the solution to the oil leak in the Gulf once and for all.
We're going to monitor it for you. As we get pictures, we will share them with you. As we get information from our correspondents down there in the Gulf, we will also bring you those updates.
Now I want to show you something really remarkable. We're going inside airborne hospitals that are bringing wounded U.S. troops back from Afghanistan. I mean, this is probably something the likes of which you have never seen before.
This is a CNN exclusive. Watch this.
Our Pentagon correspondent, Barbara Starr, takes us through it.
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BARBARA STARR, CNN PENTAGON CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It's before dawn in the trauma bay at Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan, another shoulder wounded in the fighting down south, surgeons, nurses doing everything they can.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: One, two, three.
STARR: The journey home starts here. In Vietnam, it could take weeks, but now wounded can be home in days.
CNN was granted exclusive access to see the medical care that makes it possible and, to injured troops, some hours off the front line.
In the hospital hallway, Army Specialist James Dennis is being shipped home after being in three attacks in three weeks. He had already been here before. He survived two roadside bomb attacks in the same day, and then, a couple of days ago -- SPC. JAMES DENNIS, U.S. ARMY: It was indirect fire. I was hit by a mortar.
STARR: But still smiling.
DENNIS: I'm good right now. They gave me some medicine.
STARR: In the latest attack, Dennis ordered junior troops under fire to run for safety. He couldn't get away in time.
DENNIS: I didn't even get to start running. And I guess it knocked me out, because I remember pushing myself up off the ground and had all this blood all over me. And then they MedEvaced me.
STARR: Dennis praises the doctors and nurses.
DENNIS: These people here are awesome. I mean, they do their job. I respect these guys a lot.
STARR: Before Dennis is moved to a plane, a last emotional hug from the trauma doc, Captain Joshua Miller (ph).
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You take care of yourself.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I saw him over there in that wheelchair, and I just took another look at him and I said, man, what are you doing here again? I'm not supposed to see you again. And, sure enough, he had suffered enough explosion injury.
STARR (on camera): The doors have just shut on this air medical evacuation flight here in Bagram, Afghanistan. The wounded have already been loaded. You can see that medical staff is already taking care of them, even before we take off. We are about to go on an eight-hour flight back to Germany. These troops are going to the Landstuhl Regional Medical Center for further treatment.
STARR (voice-over): Matthew Came, a medic, was on patrol helping other wounded when he was hit.
(on camera): And your Kevlar didn't protect you, your vest?
SPC. MATTHEW CAME, U.S. ARMY: It was about one inch right under it. It was right in the bladder.
STARR (voice-over): Badly wounded, he told his buddies what to do.
CAME: Right away, I just went on to, just, you know, talk them through what we needed to do. And it all went really, really smoothly. And then a medic from the copper we were going to go help out came and he helped out in the end too.
STARR: Now others are tending to him. He gets relief for his pain, Specialist Came finally under the watchful eye of his nurse.
For air evacuation teams, easing the pain and devastation can be tough.
CAPT. KATHERINE GARTNER, U.S. AIR FORCE: I have had a couple patients who were sleeping and just woke up in a fright, just couldn't remember what was going on, where they were. And, for me, that was the best moment to be there for that patient, to hold their hand and calm them down and let them know, I'm here. You're OK. You're going home -- and just seeing them relax and say, OK, I'm good. It's all good.
STARR: For three-time Purple Heart specialist Dennis, now on the plane to Germany, it is all good.
(on camera): You're going from bleeding to hugging your wife and daughters. There's a smile.
DENNIS: It's going to be awesome, you know? When you're near death that close, I mean, I thought -- I literally thought I was dead when that impact happened. I thought I was dead. But you really don't know what you have got until it's almost gone.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Lift. Lift.
STARR (voice-over): Tomorrow, the next stop, Germany.
Barbara Starr, CNN.
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SANCHEZ: Hey. Welcome back. I'm Rick Sanchez.
I want to catch you up on the information that we're getting. You know we reported a little while ago that the static kill in the Gulf of Mexico has officially begun. So as we look at these pictures from 5,000 feet below the surface of the Gulf of Mexico, we're being told that BP has just now begun -- let me see if I can find this e- mail for you.
BP has just begun to brief reporters on this situation, and our David Mattingly, who was talking to us here just a little while ago, is telling -- is apparently listening to this technical briefing.
Here it is. Mattingly listening as we speak to this technical briefing with BP's Kent Wells for any brand new information.
And then it says here one of the -- this is one of the memos sent in internally here on CNN from one of our administrators saying that they expect to have a national urgent (ph) out as soon as he gets the information. So here's what this means for you at home.
What it means is that BP is now giving its official explanation of where they are with static kill, why they started it at this time, what the update is on how it's going, and they're explaining that right now. It's not a video conference though, so you can't see it, or we'd let you hear it for yourself. They're meeting with correspondents like our own David Mattingly to take them through what's going on. Then David Mattingly is going to come back on, and hopefully he'll be able to tell us what he has gleaned from us.
In the meantime, we can follow some of the tweets that are coming in from BP as well. Just three minutes ago they sent to it -- go to it -- that's one of the lists that they're on. BP, of course, at the top of it. "Paused well integrity test for preparation for injectivity test and static kill. All indications are that we have well integrity."
All right. I know that's a lot of jargon, but essentially the "injectivity" word that you see there, that's what they've been talking about all day, about actually being able to test to see if the pipe can withstand the pressure. That's the decision that they're trying to make, and it sounds like they're well into making that determination and that static kill has in fact begun.
So, once again, we are all over this. Chad's following it, David Mattingly is following it. We've got the pictures for you. And as we get the update we'll turn it around right away, as you would expect us to do for you here on RICK'S LIST.
Now, Brooke Baldwin is here. She's following what's trending, including a double life apparently exposed on Facebook. A double life.
How do people do this kind of thing?
BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: And try to get away with it for years.
SANCHEZ: Isn't that amazing?
BALDWIN: Don't do it.
SANCHEZ: How do you live a lie? How do you do lie a lie? I can't do it.
I'll be right back with Brooke, who also cannot tell a lie.
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SANCHEZ: It's time for our trending block.
Obviously, we're going to follow static kill, but there is a story that -- look, there was a guy this morning in Manchester who killed eight people and then killed himself. But we get a pretty good feel for why he did it. Apparently, there was some kind of a workplace issue for him.
But there's another person involved in a similar situation --
BALDWIN: In Pennsylvania.
SANCHEZ: -- and there's no explanation for what that drove this guy to do something like this.
You've been working on this all day. Take us through it.
BALDWIN: Right. Well, let me first explain.
This is a Pennsylvania man. We're talking south-central P.A., outside of Harrisburg -- who is now charged with killing a man at a gun range a couple of weeks ago and then stealing the guy's weapon. We're talking about 64-year-old Raymond Peak (ph).
Here he is denying this charge that he killed this man. But he didn't tell police he's been stealing guns for an organization that wants to overflow the government.
SANCHEZ: That's weird. That's weird.
BALDWIN: That's the weird part. So I got on the phone with the D.A., who was good enough to talk to me from his beach vacation. And he told me -- if you want to take a look -- let's see -- it says, "Peak (ph) told the officer that he would kill to defend his country and he was stealing weapons to defend his country."
SANCHEZ: From who?
BALDWIN: Different people. They don't actually think there's a connection with the person that he is charged with killing. I asked that question.
He also told investigators he had help from this other men. Both of these guys, by the way, prison guards at a Pennsylvania prison.
SANCHEZ: Yes. Great job.
BALDWIN: This is all connected to the shooting back on July 21st of this lawyer, Todd Getgen (ph), a lawyer at the gun range. But the pictures you're looking at, this is actually surveillance video. So here's what happened.
Police say that a week after the shooting, Peak (ph) goes to buy another gun, and he goes and buys one of the units at the storage facility. Police tail him there, and then they break into this unit and they see that he has multiple weapons, including weapon of this lawyer that he is now charged with killing. And so they arrested him Saturday and he faces a number of charges.
SANCHEZ: This is so bizarre when you hear that someone goes out and does something like this because he's worried about his country and wants to protect his country. And the obvious question is, from whom? I mean, who put this idea in his head? What was he -- anyway, let me not get to far on this.
What else do we know about this guy?
BALDWIN: OK. So we know that he is big-time military, he is a retired Marine. That's what the D.A. told me today on the phone. He's very proud of his service. In fact, when the D.A. went through his house, he says, "Look, Brooke, it's covered in military decorations. He also told me he had a lot of hunting and survival gear in his home.
He worked, as I said, as a correctional guard at this facility since '98. I talked to the prison. Married. Neighbors, as most of these cases are, never suspected him.
Listen.
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MARIE MUSKEY, NEIGHBOR: When I think of my neighbors, I'd like to think I live in a safe place, so I really wasn't thinking it would be somebody that I knew. There were two people involved in the shooting, so now there's, what, three families that have been ruined as a result of it? That's kind of sad to hear.
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SANCHEZ: Wow.
BALDWIN: Sad indeed.
Two final notes. He was a frequent visitor of this particular rifle range. And why this attorney -- the D.A. told me he really didn't know. His best guess, if he really is into stealing these guns -- this was a super-duper customized gun possibly in the $2,000 range. And that was his only guess.
They don't know.
SANCHEZ: We'll find out more. I have a feeling someone will tell us more about this person.
BALDWIN: Right.
SANCHEZ: All right. What you got?
BALDWIN: The second thing -- and a lot of people are very smart on Twitter and have figured this one out. I was tweeting about this one a second ago.
Imagine your husband is cheating on you, number one. Then you find your husband is cheating -- actually, he's married to someone else. How do you figure it out? Facebook.
That is exactly what happened to an Ohio woman. We're going to call her "Megan." She's not exactly going public with her story, but her family members tipped her off after logging on to Facebook and started looking through all these pictures, hundreds of pictures, because this other woman's Facebook profile is public -- or was at the time -- and it was this woman's husband --
SANCHEZ: This is the second woman, yes.
BALDWIN: -- with another woman. Also the kids' were in the pictures, young children.
Here is what Megan has said. Let me just read the statement.
She said, "It's rubbing the salt into the wound of already finding out that my husband is having an affair. These pictures are out there for the world to see." I mean, imagine. "It's not just that I have the knowledge, but I see the proof and everyone I know sees the proof, and people I don't know see the proof."
Of course, if you're wondering, is she filing for divorce? Yes, she is.
Meantime, her husband says, hang on a minute, our actual marriage wasn't really official. They got married apparently in Italy, saying, we didn't really cross all the Ts and dot all the I's. But she's saying, no, no, no, honey. It was very much so official, and I have evidence, and I have all these pictures on Facebook to prove it.
SANCHEZ: So he was married.
BALDWIN: To her.
SANCHEZ: Allegedly got married to another woman.
BALDWIN: A couple years later.
SANCHEZ: And the first wife found out when the second wife posted the pictures on Facebook.
BALDWIN: Posted on Facebook.
SANCHEZ: Wow.
BALDWIN: That's a no-no. All around no-no.
SANCHEZ: Can you say, "Surprise?"
BALDWIN: Poor lady.
SANCHEZ: That's living a lie.
BALDWIN: Yes.
SANCHEZ: Thank you for the explanation.
BALDWIN: You're welcome.
SANCHEZ: See you later.
Have you heard about this? Spirit Airlines considering charging you yet another fee. What would this fee be for? Just think about it for a minute. In fact, think about it during the break. You might be shocked when you find out what the answer is on the other side.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK) SANCHEZ: I want you to meet the CEO of Spirit Airlines, Ben Baldanza. He says talking to one of his employees at the airport may cost you. That's right, a possible fee to interact with a human being.
Are you kidding me?
"It's Gate Number 4, Mr. Sanchez. That will be $50." What's that worth, a Benjamin?
Are you kidding me?
Here's a quick history lesson. Banks tried this very same thing in the '90s, a charge to interact with a teller. Customers got so angry, banks stopped charging to talk to tellers.
Now, keep in mind, Spirit recently became the first major U.S. airline to charge for carry-on bags. Yes, carry-on bags.
Spirit tells CNN it doesn't want to charge fees for you to talk with a human being, but the CEO says it's a possibility that you'll need your wallet if you want a face-to-face exchange.
So what's next, a coin slot to use the bathroom? Spirit says that will never happen. A donation to recline in your seat, perhaps? Who knows?
Spirit runs a business, and businesses should make money. But customers aren't cattle. And without happy customers, there ain't no business.
So, the mere possibility that Spirit will charge you to ask a question lands CEO Ben Baldanza on "The List U Don't Want 2 Be On."
All right. What's making Wolf's political list? He's going to join us just a little bit filling that space right there. Oh, is that him?
Look at him. Look at that. Look at that Wolf Blitzer sitting there just waiting to have a conversation. I can't wait.
There he is. Wolf coming up in just a little bit.
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SANCHEZ: All right, Wolf. We've got something else coming up. Just give me a couple of seconds on what you've got coming up so that our viewers are tuned in, as they say.
WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: You know, he's been very controversial, the sheriff, Joe Arpaio. He's going to be in "THE SITUATION ROOM" because of these reports, reports that there's a $1 million bounty now on his head by Mexican drug cartels.
Are these reports true? Is the FBI taking it seriously?
We're going talk the sheriff about it and much more. That's coming up, among other things, Rick, right here in "THE SITUATION ROOM."
Drill down, Wolf Blitzer. Drill down. We'll look forward to it.
Also, up next, I'm going to be telling you what some Christians are saying about International Burn a Koran Day. That's of course what one pastor and his church are calling an event that they're hosting on September 11th.
Did you see my interview with him? You'll see a little bit of it again, and we'll tell you what's new.
Stay right there.
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SANCHEZ: Well, we've got some of the folks coming in who visit us all the time.
Folks, we're glad you're here. Thanks for visiting.
All right. There's a plea today I want you to know about for respect and understanding from the Christian evangelical community.
The back-story: I told you about this last week, International Burn a Koran Day. That's right.
Members of the Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville, Florida, have said that they will burn the Muslim faith's most sacred book on 9/11. Now, we're hearing from the National Association of Evangelicals. Listen to this.
This is the Evangelicals of the United States of America. They say, "The plans recently announced by a Florida group to burn copies of the Koran on September 11th show disrespect for our Muslim neighbors and would exacerbate tensions between Christians and Muslims throughout the world. The NAE urges the cancellation of the burning."
Now, the man behind this whole idea, his name is Pastor Terry Jones. He says Islam is of the devil. He even has a book called that. He also says Islam is a deceptive and violent religion, everybody who's ever practiced it.
He's got a lot to say, in fact. I talked with him. Take a listen.
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SANCHEZ: How would you feel if a Muslim said to you what you just said to them, I have no problem with you, Mr. Christian, you're welcome in my country but I'm burning your bible? How would you feel?
TERRY JONES, DOVE WORLD OUTREACH: I would not like it. But it's their right. We live in America.
SANCHEZ: Well, they live in America --
JONES: We're making a statement. It is time to stand up and speak out on what we believe in. We believe that Islam is of the devil. It is causing billions of people to go to hell.
SANCHEZ: You believe that.
JONES: It is a deceptive religion.
SANCHEZ: You believe that.
JONES: It is a violent religion.
SANCHEZ: You believe that.
JONES: That is proven, many, many times.
SANCHEZ: No, because --
JONES: It is time that churches, politicians stand up and speak the truth.
SANCHEZ: There are moderate Muslims, sir, who live in this country who love America probably every bit as much as you say you do. Some of them died on September 11th.
JONES: That is exactly right. There is moderate -- there is moderate Muslims.
SANCHEZ: Why are you insulting them?
JONES: There are moderate Muslims, but there is no such thing as a moderate Islam
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SANCHEZ: There's more. Despite the criticism Jones and his church are facing for their plan to burn the Koran, from decent Christians all over the United States, most of which are, they're still planning to do that very thing.
And by the way, there are a lot of other prominent religious leaders and groups including the Simon Wiesenthal Center who oppose and condemn Terry Jones' Koran-burning exercise.
There you have it. We'll see you again tomorrow and tonight at 8:00, "RICK'S LIST PRIMETIME."
Here now, "THE SITUATION ROOM" with Wolf Blitzer.
