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Alleged Murder-Suicide at Johns Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore; Philadelphia Police Beating Caught on Tape; Man Shoots Mother's Doctor, Mother, Self; President Gives A Speech On Education; Small Business Loans Bill Passes Senate; Woman Caught On Tape Abusing 91- Year-Old

Aired September 16, 2010 - 15:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

RICK SANCHEZ, CNN ANCHOR: Hey, thanks so much, T.J. I appreciate that. Thanks so much, T.J.

Before we do anything else, I want on bring you up to date on what's going on right now in Baltimore. This is a serious situation that we have been following for quite some time.

I mean, this is one of the country's most prestigious hospitals. This is Johns Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore. From what we understand -- and, as we look at the pictures, consider this -- a man according to police bursts into the hospital with gun in hand. He has shot a doctor. That doctor was rushed to surgery.

The question remains -- there, you see some SWAT, some of the SRT guys, just outside the hospital -- why did he shoot the doctor? Why did he go into the hospital with a gun to begin with?

As the story plays out -- we want to thank WBAL for these pictures, by the way -- as the story plays out, he goes into a hospital room, and then shoots someone who supposedly is a relative of his. This is according to our affiliates there in Baltimore -- again, reason still unknown.

Some folks are describing him as being shaken up, angry at the time that he went into the hospital. Reasons for that? We don't know. Now, these are some of the city officials who are our -- on their way to the microphones right now.

In the end, three people have been shot, the shooter himself, the man who burst into the hospital with this gun, a police officer -- a doctor -- pardon me -- who, as far as we can tell, is going to be OK -- I think he was shot in the abdomen area -- and this third person who is said to be, according to -- according to some of our affiliates and some of the folks that we have been talking to there, a family member of his.

Now, Joe Johns is making his way to the scene as well, and, you know, he's be bringing us up to date on what's going on there.

But it looks like we're about to hear from city officials. This is a news conference that is about to begin. There you see the -- we are going to let this play out for you, guys. There you see the reporters putting in their IFBs so they can communicate with their news channels.

There is -- there you see some of the -- oh, that's the mayor of Baltimore who is now coming out. It apparent -- it's apparent that Stephanie Rawlings-Blake, the mayor of Baltimore, has been called to the scene and she is going to address reporter. This is -- address reporters.

This is something that we weren't expect -- expecting. Here she comes, once again, three people shot, one of them the assailant, the other one a doctor, motive still unknown. Expect that we will be learning a lot more here from Mayor Blake and from the police chief themselves.

Joe Johns, by the way, has just not gotten to the scene. He's just there to the side.

But let's go ahead and listen to the mayor first.

STEPHANIE RAWLINGS-BLAKE, MAYOR OF BALTIMORE, MARYLAND: Good afternoon.

Am I close enough for you?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (OFF-MIKE)

RAWLINGS-BLAKE: Closer? Closer. Closer.

All right.

Can you slide this over just a little bit for me?

I was very troubled earlier today to learn of the incident here at Johns Hopkins. Johns Hopkins is a very proud Baltimore institution, our largest private employer and arguably the best medical institution on the planet. We must protect these assets.

Very quickly, a unified incident command was established. All appropriate law enforcement, city agencies, and Johns Hopkins officials worked together to respond, again, immediately to this incident.

Again, the importance of Johns Hopkins University and Johns Hopkins, their whole community, to the city of Baltimore cannot be overstated. The safety and security of Johns Hopkins employees and residents in the surrounding community was paramount through this whole incident.

I would like to personally thank the men and women of the Baltimore Police Department, as well as the other city agencies, for the swift response.

I would also like to thank our fire department, Office of Emergency Management, Baltimore County SWAT, the State Department of Emergency Management, and I also want to thank our federal partners. Federal -- the FBI participated and commented how well we worked with them and how well our team worked together.

So, I would like to thank them as well.

I would like to now turn this over to our police commissioner.

FREDERICK H. BEALEFELD, BALTIMORE POLICE COMMISSIONER: Thank you, Mayor.

I -- I'm going to start by giving you a little bit of a timeline on the events as we know them and what facts I can give you up to this point.

At about 11:11 this morning, a man now identified as Warren Davis, age 50, was standing outside of room 873 in the Nelson building of Johns Hopkins Hospital. He was being briefed by a doctor, a staff doctor at Johns Hopkins, about the condition of his mother, who is identified as Jean Davis.

Mr. Davis was receiving some news about the care and the condition of his mother just outside the doorway to that room when he became emotionally distraught and reacted and was overwhelmed by the news of his mother's condition.

During the course of the conversation with the doctor, Mr. Davis removed a semiautomatic handgun from his waist area, waistband area, and fired a single gunshot that struck the doctor in the lower chest, upper abdomen.

The doctor collapsed just outside the doorway of the room. And Mr. Davis was last seen running into the room brandishing the handgun in the direction of his mother, who was confined to the bed.

At about 11:45 hours, we established a unified command post to manage the scene. I will tell you that the -- the scene proceeded in -- according to every protocol and drill established. Hospital -- Johns Hopkins security immediately responded and put their emergency response plan into place.

And, by all evaluation, it worked as designed and worked incredibly efficiently to avoid and reduce any injury or risk to any other patients or staff members inside the hospital, followed very quickly by response of men and women of the Baltimore City Police Department and Fire Department who responded to the call for service.

The scene was secured by SWAT team members by the Baltimore City Police Department, supplemented by SWAT members from Baltimore County, who provided additional security in the Nelson building of the hospital.

At about 1:30 p.m., our SWAT team was able to determine that, inside the room, we were able to see that Mr. Davis was down on the floor suffering from an apparent gunshot wound, and that his mother was also unresponsive in her bed.

The tactical team made entry into the room and, with the assistance of on-scene medical personnel, determined that both Mr. Davis and Ms. Davis were indeed deceased. At this point, we are treating this case as a murder-suicide and, obviously, the shooting of the doctor preceding this discovery. We're -- we have moved from a tactical situation to now a crime scene situation and management. And we're in -- in terms of emergency equipment and response, we are actively demobilizing the tactical side of this operation and concentrating our efforts now in determining the full extent of Mr. Davis' background and any other history we could determine associated with this case.

I'm going to turn it over now to the fire department for a brief description of their response as well.

QUESTION: (OFF-MIKE) mother was paralyzed?

BEALEFELD: Yes, I can't comment on -- I don't -- first of all, I don't know. And even -- we wouldn't be able to comment past her medical condition and what she was being treated for at the hospital.

QUESTION: Did the tactical officers hear shots coming from (OFF-MIKE)

BEALEFELD: Let me have the fire department do their briefing, and then we will open it up for brief questions.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Good afternoon.

Our role, from the fire department's perspective, was basically to support the police department with both tactical EMS medical contingent, as well as a standby medical contingent.

We also brought some additional units in, in the event that there would be a manpower need and to help organize through the unified command the police department response and their ability to -- to be able to mitigate the circumstances, but also to assist them any way possible, so that we had resources on the scene.

So --

SANCHEZ: So, there you go. A man named Warren Davis, 50 years of age, walks into a hospital where his mother is being treated, engages in a conversation with a doctor who tells her about her condition.

He becomes distraught, overwhelms by what -- overwhelmed by what by what he hears from this doctor, takes out a gun and shoots the doctor in the abdomen. The doctor apparently is going to be OK. But then he goes into his mother's room, shoots the mother, then shoots himself.

Murder-suicide is what police are calling it right now.

What a scene. Obviously, we have -- I know what many of your questions are. And I wish we could answer them for you, but, frankly, we don't have the answer to those questions yet. What exactly was it about her condition that made this man so distraught? What was his M.O.? What was his reason for having a gun walking in a hospital in the first place?

And how in the world did he get into the hospital while he was carrying a gun? All good questions, all questions that we have got Joe Johns working on for you right now. He's obviously one of best reporters in Washington. And he's on the scene. He's going to be talking to police. He's talking to hospital officials and talking to witnesses.

And as he makes his way through the story, stay with us here, folks because, obviously, we're determined to try to get some of those answers for you. And, as we do, you will hear it and see it first, in full reporting mode, from CNN and RICK'S LIST.

Meanwhile, a violent arrest and police beating is caught on camera. This is in Philadelphia. I'm going to take you through video. And some of you will watch this and probably get mad because of the way police behaved. Now, it -- you're going to see it for yourself. It's coming up here in just a little bit.

Stay with us. This is RICK'S LIST. And we have got a lot to take you through. We will be right back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SANCHEZ: Hey, everybody. Welcome back. I'm Rick Sanchez.

Before we get you back to this police beating story that a lot of folks are talking about, and it's going to be dramatic video that you are going to be watching and judging for yourself, I just want to bring you back up to date on what's going on in Baltimore.

For those of you just now joining us, it's been a crazy scene there. A man walks in with a gun to one of the most prestigious hospitals, not just in the United States, but in the world, Johns Hopkins Hospital. He goes in to the Nelson building, according to what police describe.

He's got a gun on him, gets into a discussion with a doctor who is treating his mother, doesn't like what the doctor has to say, takes out a gun and shoots the doctor. Then he goes into her -- his mom's room and shoots his mother and then shoots himself, all this taking hours and hours while SWAT is waiting outside.

A lot of questions in this case obviously involving motive, the conversation that he had with the doctor, and how it is that there seemed to have been some kind of security breach to let this man come in, in that state of mind, and with a gun, and shoot a doctor.

So, as we work our way through this story, we are going to be checking back in with Joe Johns in just a little bit. And, as we do, we will bring you the details.

But now to this story about this police shooting. These are allegations of police brutality that have been brought to light. Interestingly enough -- and you know how much we follow social media here -- so, a lot of times, when we key in on a story that we think is being discussed a lot on the Internet, we bring it to your attention. That's how this one has come to light. I'm going to show you this video now. It's been posted on YouTube. And it really is disturbing, because it's prompted an internal police investigation by the Philadelphia police. It's drawing big numbers on the Internet. And it's raising a lot of questions about when and how police are supposed to go in and use force, I mean, are supposed -- aren't they supposed to go into a situation and try and make it less amped up?

How did this situation get so amplified? I warn you, it's -- it's brutal to watch, but I think it's important for to us see this and then talk about it. So, here's the video.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

(SHOUTING)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh!

(SHOUTING)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yo, he's down! (INAUDIBLE)

(SHOUTING)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Whoa!

(SHOUTING)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Whoa!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) brandish a firearm?

(SHOUTING)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stop! Stop fighting!

(SHOUTING)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Askia, stop! Askia, stop!

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SANCHEZ: Did you hear that? "Askia, stop! Askia, stop!," they're yelling at him. Don't resist. He keeps -- Askia, the man on the ground, keeps saying, why are you doing to me -- why are you doing this to me? I haven't done anything.

Now, watch the officer right there, the one closest to us right now. I don't know if he's done it yet, but he's about to brandish a gun and point it at some of the folks in the crowd, because they're kind of jacked up about what is going on here.

They think that police shouldn't be continuing to hit this man. In their estimation, he's already in control. He doesn't seem to be resisting, other than to ask, why are you doing this to me? About he doesn't seem to be putting up a fight. I think we just saw that police officer brandishing that weapon again a little while ago. And it continues for quite some time.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

(SHOUTING)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stop it! You're going to (EXPLETIVE DELETED) kill him, man. Stop it! Stop it!

(SHOUTING)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Askia, quit fighting! Quit fighting!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I didn't do nothing wrong.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hey. Hey.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm moving back.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I just want your boy to know he pointed a gun at me. (INAUDIBLE) (EXPLETIVE DELETED) camera. I know what brandishing a firearm is all about. He's not going to point no gun at me.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SANCHEZ: Hmm.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

(SHOUTING)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Askia!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yo, he's still hitting me!

Yo -- yo, you better get your boy, dog.

(SIREN BLARING)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SANCHEZ: All right, so there's the scene outside a restaurant in Philly.

Now, Askia has been telling police, and according to witnesses, he was there to pick up food, when police came upon the scene and told him to leave the area.

Let me -- let -- let me bring in the folks who may know the most about this.

In fact, Askia Sabur is good now join us now. He's joined by his attorney, Evan Hughes. And while we're talking to him, we are going to let you see some of that video, some of the parts of it that we weren't able to get to.

By the way, we did ask someone with the Philadelphia Police Department to join us for this discussion. Instead, they sent us a response. Let me -- let me read that response to you as we get going here.

They're saying: "Thank you for your offer to appear on your show. At this time, we will have to decline. Currently, the case involving Mr. Sabur is an open and active investigation with our Internal Affairs Division."

So, Mr. Sabur, I want to -- I want for our viewers and for you to listen to this section of the video where the crowd appears to be begging you to stop fighting. In fact, I kept hearing them say, "Askia, stop fighting."

Let's -- if you got that, Rog, let's -- let's play that.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stop fighting! Askia, stop!

(SHOUTING)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Askia, stop! Stop! Askia, stop! Stop, man!

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SANCHEZ: So, you hear -- you -- it -- it's quite clear that people are saying stop.

First of all, the word that that man uses -- I think you know him, right, because he's calling you by your first name -- is, "Stop fighting."

Were you fighting?

EVAN HUGHES, ATTORNEY FOR ASKIA SABUR: Rick, Askia can't comment as to the allegations against him or to his injuries, because, as the Philadelphia police said, there's an open and active investigation.

We thought it was important, though, that the American public see Askia and see that he's a human being, and not a monster.

SANCHEZ: Well, police thought that Askia was doing something wrong.

Why did they tell you they did what they? Share that with us, if you would.

HUGHES: Rick, I think the video speaks for itself. He's not resisting.

SANCHEZ: Well, no, no, no, no, no, it doesn't. No, the video doesn't speak for itself.

And, if you're going to pull this on us, then you know what? Thank you very much. We will talk to you some other time.

You know, we have seen the video. We have questions. We have asked police for a statement.

If all you're going to do is, Askia, is bring your lawyer here and have him tell us that he can't talk to us, then I don't understand why you came here to talk to us in the first place. You should have just said, "No, I decline."

HUGHES: Rick, we accepted -- well, Rick, we -- we graciously accepted your invitation because we wanted people to see that this is a human being here, that he shouldn't have been brutalized the way he was, that he's not a gang-banger, that -- that he is -- he is actually a man and --

(CROSSTALK)

SANCHEZ: Well, we get -- we get all that. And we -- we look -- counselor, counselor --

(CROSSTALK)

HUGHES: I mean, clearly, he's not resisting.

(CROSSTALK)

HUGHES: Rick, he's clearly not resisting on that video.

(CROSSTALK)

SANCHEZ: Counselor, we -- you know, we -- look, I want to give you the benefit of the doubt, just like we want to give the police the benefit of the doubt.

HUGHES: As you should.

SANCHEZ: But when we have a conflicting story like this -- when we have a conflicting story like this, and you come out here and you're going to tell us, "I'm not going to answer any of your questions because this is a case," I have got to wonder why you didn't just do what the police did and just send us a statement then.

If you're not going to answer any questions about this case or why he was there or why he continued to, according to witnesses there, his own friends, resist, then I -- I -- I don't know why we're -- why we're -- why we're doing this -- this -- this Fellini -- this Fellini movie here.

HUGHES: Well, Rick, as -- as you can see in the video, Askia was clearly not resisting arrest.

SANCHEZ: OK.

HUGHES: He's being repeatedly struck, repeatedly hit. The crowd feels his pain. The crowd is upset. You know, you see how it's out of control there. And, you know, we wanted to make sure that the story is -- is -- it's an important story. We want the story to be heard.

SANCHEZ: Askia, can you at least -- can you at least -- can you at -- can --

HUGHES: And we want people to see that this is not a monster here.

SANCHEZ: Askia, can you at least let us know -- because we, as Americans, take it for granted oftentimes that, if police are asking you to do something, they might have a very good reason for it.

So, we -- I don't want to leave this interview without an explanation of why it is police were asking you to do something. So, could you at least tell us what you were doing at the time the police came and asked you to leave? Can you just answer that, sir?

HUGHES: Rick, Askia -- Rick, Askia is not here to explain himself, but I can tell that Askia was there lawfully on the street corner in Philadelphia in front of a restaurant minding his own business when he was attacked by police for no reason.

SANCHEZ: All right. We will just --

HUGHES: And that's clear.

SANCHEZ: We will just have to take that at your word then.

Thank you, counselor, so much for being with us.

HUGHES: Thanks, Rick. My pleasure.

SANCHEZ: Askia, thank you, sir. And good -- good luck with your case.

Take a look at this.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We have a lady who is in our bank right now who says that her husband and children are being held at their house. She is petrified.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

SANCHEZ: This is the last time you see this woman alive. This is one of the most unbelievable stories, frankly, I have heard in a long time.

This is part of a horrific home invasion that's played out -- it's playing out right now in court. It -- it -- it's like a suspense novel, as -- as -- as we take you through it. And we have got tape. We have got 911 calls. And it -- it's quite a story.

Also, Jessica Yellin is back from Delaware on the heels of a big Tea Party for Christine O'Donnell. And she wasn't the only winner, by the way. She's going to take us through what -- what she's found out covering these primaries and being there in persona -- next on the LIST.

Stay with us.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SANCHEZ: Hey, welcome back, everyone.

There you see the picture. The podium is set to go. You see the flags. And that is where, soon, the president of the United States will be coming out to give what is considered to be a very important pronouncement about education in this country.

You know, the president has been stressing this for quite some time. You may have heard about this, but this is -- this is a huge storm brewing in the president's party, information about who the president, beyond the education reform, also chooses.

And he -- he needs to nominate someone to head the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. And, there, we look at some of the other pictures as well.

Now, Jessica Yellin -- let me bring Jessica back into this, if we possibly can.

Jessica, this is important. Progressives want Elizabeth Warren to get the post. The president comes out last night and doesn't exactly give her the post, but at least puts her in the farm club, so to speak.

(LAUGHTER)

SANCHEZ: Is this enough?

(LAUGHTER)

JESSICA YELLIN, CNN NATIONAL POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes.

SANCHEZ: And -- and what are you hearing from progressives? I mean, they wanted her to go right to the majors, and he's kind of leaving her in the farm system. Is that enough? Are they happy with that?

Or are you hearing some resistance and some criticism of this White House?

YELLIN: What I'm hearing is that this is a potential fight that the president has sort of kicked down the road. So, progressives, like you say, want her to run the agency, and nothing less.

SANCHEZ: Right.

YELLIN: And I'm talking to these progressive activists who think that this is basically the White House's backdoor way of making her the director, while avoiding a bruising confirmation fight. And they say, like, I -- I will give you a statement from one of the campaigns that tried to pressure the president to give her the top job.

They said -- the Progressive Change Campaign Committee says, "If Elizabeth Warren is given full power to run the bureau and hold Wall Street accountable, that will mean real change."

That's what's important there. The bottom is, she's not going to get the top job, if you read between the lines.

(CROSSTALK)

SANCHEZ: Can -- can you tell --

YELLIN: And that's when the problem is going to come.

SANCHEZ: Can you tell Americans what is so controversial about this woman that the White House fears getting into a pig fight with Republicans over her nomination?

YELLIN: Right.

SANCHEZ: What -- what is causing the fear?

YELLIN: So, she is a truly outspoken critic of what she considers abusive practices on Wall Street. And she will call folks on the mat.

And business interests, business groups dislike her intensely, not every one of them, but mostly. And they say that she's not friendly to business, that she wants to do things that going to, you know, hurt the financial industry --

SANCHEZ: Hmm.

YELLIN: -- and hamper the, you know, recovery.

And folks on the other side say, that's ridiculous. She's just trying to look out for consumers, so we don't have mortgage meltdowns again, for example.

SANCHEZ: Right. Right.

YELLIN: So, that's the -- and, so -- and Republicans have made it clear they would -- if she were to be nominated, there would be a bruising confirmation battle that could be drawn out for who knows how long.

SANCHEZ: But given -- given --

(CROSSTALK)

YELLIN: So -- so --

SANCHEZ: I can understand --

YELLIN: Yes.

SANCHEZ: Given what happened with --

JESSICA YELLIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: -- recovery. And folks on the other side say that's ridiculous, she's just trying to look out for consumers so we don't have mortgage meltdowns again, for example.

RICK SANCHEZ, CNN ANCHOR: Right, right.

YELLIN: And Republicans have made it clear if she were to be nominated, there would be a bruising confirmation battle that could be drawn out for who knows how long.

SANCHEZ: I can understand -- given what happened with the financial meltdown as you mentioned, given what happened with what some would consider over-deregulation over the last 10, 15 years from Bill Clinton through George W. Bush, by the way, doesn't that satiate, satisfy, the needs of so many Americans who say we need somebody to hold the guys on Wall Street accountable? If she has the resume to do that, where is the argument?

YELLIN: Right, but for every person who says what's wrong with some rules so we know what we're signing when we sign a document, there's someone else who will say regulation is the problem. We need a freer market, fewer regulators. It's just more bureaucracy. And it's that same old argument.

And they argue that she'll stand for big bureaucracy and big government. You can go in circles on this one.

SANCHEZ: That's amazing.

YELLIN: And the bottom line is it's a huge ugly political fight where I suspect there could be a brawl over this in time when the president ends up nominating probably someone else for the top job, and then progressives won't be happy -- go ahead.

SANCHEZ: I'm just thinking as I'm listening to you, and I'm sure people at home are thinking the same thing -- so in an effort to not get into another fight, I called it a pig fight earlier because these things do get ugly, in an effort to not get into another fight with Republicans, this administration, even though it believes it's right, is willing to kick this can down the road so to speak, deal with it at some other time? That's what I'm hearing.

YELLIN: Well, I would say yes to that. They would say this is a solution that allows her to have a very important role in setting up this agency, and if she were in the middle of some bruising confirmation fight, she wouldn't get to do anything. She wouldn't be able to work on it at all. So at least she's involved.

But the bottom line is it does look like one of those solutions that's right down the middle and might end up making no one happy.

SANCHEZ: Jessica Yellin, always so good at explaining these things to from us an insider's perspective covering this in Washington, one of the best of the best.

Sometimes I don't even need to tease with words. The video really says it all. And I want to show you within of those cases now. Why is this cement truck airborne? Good question, right? That's ahead.

Also, I want you to listen to this. A grandmother shows up with bruises all over her body and her caretaker is in hot water. This video also is -- this video is tough it watch. I'll just be real honest with you. And it's next right here on "The List." We're going to be right back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SANCHEZ: Here we go. We've got more information now on some of the biggest stories we've been following today. Brooke, you've been watching the situation out of Baltimore, Johns Hopkins hospital.

For those of you, let me catch you up. Man walks into a hospital. He has a gun, gets into an argument with a doctor who is it treating his mother. He shoots the doctor in his stomach and then goes into the room where his mother is, and according to police he shoots the mom and shoots and kills himself.

All right, you're intrigued, right? So am I, so is everybody else. How did he get into the hospital with a gun, no less? Why did he shoot the doctor? What did the doctor tell him that made him so incredibly distraught? Did he have a motive going in?

These are all questions you have and we do as well, and Joe Johns is diligently trying to answer some of those. He's working the beat for us right now. He's there outside Johns Hopkins hospital. Joe, have you been able to find out anything else outside the preliminary information that was given us by police not long ago?

JOE JOHNS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes. There was some confusing information, but you got it right it right there, Rick. Apparently distraught, the guy goes to the eight floor of this building behind me. He talks to the doc for a few minutes. The doc apparently gives him some bad news. Pulls out a gun, shoots the doc, then goes in the room.

After that it sounds like police are thinking they have a standoff. They don't hear anything else, but apparently there were two other shots inside. Apparently the guy shoots his mother and then shoots himself. But the other question --

SANCHEZ: Son of a gun. You know what that is right? That's a freeze. It's literally the satellite starts to freeze up as we're bouncing it to get the signal back to us. And it's just as Joe was going to describe what the other question is.

Why would you shoot your own mother? What was her condition, what did the doctor say to him, how did he get if to the hospital? Those are all great questions, and we're going to continue to try to reach out to Joe and maybe he'll be able to answer some of them.

But before we do anything else, let me show you the shot where the president of United States is going to be coming out any moment now. This has been a busy president lately. And don't fool yourself for one minute thinking that the president doesn't know what's going on politically around the country. He's reading the polls. He knows the stories. He says he doesn't watch cable new, but we know he does.

And he knows there were pretty about primaries in places like Delaware and New Hampshire and New York where tea party candidates did very well. He also knows that there's some infighting in the Republican Party, folks who say the tea party candidates are too outlandish.

So here is the president of the United States on several occasions now, coming out yesterday in the Rose Garden --

BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Getting his face out there.

SANCHEZ: -- and making sure, look, I'm the president of the United States, here's what I'm doing. The polls for him aren't good, but the people's business still needs to be addressed and that's what everybody at the White House will say that the president will come out and take care of.

Now, most of the folks that I've been on the phone with today in Washington who follow these things more closely than you and I, Brooke, are saying that the message the president needs to get out is jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs. And today he's not going to be talking about jobs. He's going to be talking specifically about education, which is also very important to this president, but I doubt it rates up there with what Americans really --

BALDWIN: The economy.

SANCHEZ: -- want to hear right now. Craig Crawford is joining us, as well. Craig, I think you're one of those whose been saying that this president needs to get out there and talk about the job story, right?

CRAIG CRAWFORD, COLUMNIST, CQPOLITICS.COM: I'm a little surprised he's stepping on his own message here. He's been doing a pretty good job the last couple of days focusing on the jobs message. Maybe they want to step on those poverty figures that just came out today, as well.

SANCHEZ: He's got a problem with getting -- really two things. Here's the president now. Stay right there, if you would, Craig -- you, me, Brooke when we come back. Here's the president of the United States, the subject, education.

(APPLAUSE) URSULA BURNS, CHAIRMAN AND CEO, XEROX: Welcome. Secretary Duncan and the other leaders in education here, chief executive officers of many of America's leading corporations, students, to all of you here who care deeply about science, technology, engineering, and math education in America's public schools, it is my pleasure to welcome you to this event.

I'd like to give a special welcome to my colleagues, the five other business leaders who join me as board members of Change the Equation and our new CEO. Please raise your hand when I call your name and then we'll hold the applause and give you all a joint welcome.

First Craig Barrett, former chairman of Intel and now chairman of Change the Equation, Sally Ride, former astronaut -- that's cool to say

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-- and now chair of Sally Ride Science and vice chair of Change the Equation, Glenn Britt, CEO of Time Warner Cable, Antonio Perez, the CEO of Eastman Kodak, and Linda Rosen, the CEO of Change the Equation.

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Today marks the end of the beginning of a major and long term effort to change the equation in stem education. This is critical work. A world class economy depends on a world class workforce. And the world class workforce depends on world class education system.

If we want a robust economy fueled by an educated workforce, we must invest in our schools and in our students. It is as simple and as hard as that.

Nowhere is it this more urgent than in stem education. America is falling behind. We need more scientists, engineers. One obvious place to start is in the grossly underrepresented segments of minorities and women. I'm living proof that a nudge in the right direction and an internship at the right company can make all the difference.

When I was growing up in the public housing projects in New York City, being an engineer was not on the radar screen. A few timely interventions changed all of that. I became a mechanical engineer, joined Xerox as an intern, and the rest, as they say, is history.

We need to geometrically expand those interventions and to ensure every American student who has the ability and desire to become a scientist or engineer can fulfill that dream.

The members of Change the Equation know how to do this and the president has asked us to take what we know and to leverage it so that we can once again be at the top of the pack in math and science. We're off to a fast start and we're here today to commit to staying on course.

I know I speak for all of us assembled here today when I thank the president for his leadership on education in general and on stem education in particular. As with so many of his initiatives, he is keeping his eye on making our society more just and putting our economy back on a growth trajectory. We're proud to be a small part of this big effort.

Ladies and gentlemen, I'm proud to introduce to you a great champion of education reform, the president of the United States, President Barack Obama.

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BARACK OBAMA, (D) PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: Thank you. Thank you, everybody. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you, everybody. Please have a seat. Thank you very much.

Thank you to Ursula and all the board members here. We are so excited about this initiative. And I want everybody to also know that I've got one of the finest secretaries of education I think in the history of this country in Arne Duncan and he is excited about it, as well.

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So I hope you don't mind. Before I begin, I just want to comment on a vote that just took place a little while ago in Congress. I want to thank the Senate for finally passing the small business jobs bill that had been held up for months by partisan fights.

It will make a difference to millions of small business owners across the country who will benefit there tax breaks and additional lending so companies have capital it grow and hire, and this is welcome news.

Now, these tax breaks and loans will help create jobs in the short term, but the reason all of us are here, companies large and small, is to talk about an issue with far reaching consequences for our economy in the long run, and that's the education of our children.

It's an incredibly impressive gathering that we have here. We have dozens of leaders from the business community who were part of today's announcement. We're joined by talented students. Where are the students? Raise your hands. We're very proud of you guys.

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We have some passionate and dedicated teachers --

SANCHEZ: We're going to break in here because we want to discuss what the president has said regarding the news of the small business jobs bill that he's been wanting to get through.

He's been naming names, as we mentioned. Two Republicans have crossed party lines and agreed with this president on the jobs bill. This is the small business initiative that he's been trying to get through, not the Bush tax cuts, by the way. Don't get those two confused. This is important and it's something the president, as you can see is trying to sell. So let's take a quick break and let's analyze this when we come back. Stay with us. This is "RICK'S LIST."

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SANCHEZ: Welcome back. CNN = Politics, and we' are going to be covering this story for you on what the president says and doesn't say in next coming days. Craig Crawford is joining us right now as well as Brooke Baldwin.

Craig, let me bring you into the story, one of my favorite political analysts with CQpolitics.com. The president seems to be boasting, maybe not chest thumping, but boastful of this small business bill that he's been talking about. Can you put it in perspective for our viewers?

CRAWFORD: Well, it's $30 billion in loans for small business and $12 billion in tax cuts, so that's not small potatoes. And that's the sort of thing this president needs to be seen doing and talking about. That small business vote is so important for both parties. That's what mainstream America is all about, and that's what he's doing.

But look at what did there, Rick. He turned the first 30 seconds of an education speech into jobs. I think he should have done that.

SANCHEZ: And that's funny because you mentioned that just as we went into this. And that's important because that's probably politically the smart thing to do.

In this case you wonder, though, from a Machiavellian standpoint, if here the president is saying to himself the Republicans are fighting amongst themselves, this is my opportunity to get the key issue out there in front of the American people. I'm going to give a speech today, I'm going to give a speech tomorrow, I'm going to give a speech yesterday, and I'm always going to make sure I mention jobs. Smart strategy politically?

CRAWFORD: I think if you asked him about broccoli, he would talk about expanding jobs and the job market for broccoli growers.

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Whatever it is, the first 30 seconds is going to be about jobs. And I think he should do that.

SANCHEZ: Did you see my interview yesterday with Paladino?

CRAWFORD: I did. And I have an observation about it because it's a pattern that I've seen. And it was so clear in that interview. You were doing a good job of objectively trying to call him out on contradictions in many of his campaign claims, and at one point he turned around and said you're a liberal progressive.

Now, there's two things about that. That will be a pattern we're going to see a lot from those tea partiers, and it rallies their base very much so. But it also dovetails with a message that the Democrats are trying to get out there that these people are crazy.

And when media tries to point out some of these weird claims that many of them make, it sort of justifies their claim that media is on the side of the Democrats, which you weren't doing.

SANCHEZ: No.

CRAWFORD: But that was the thing that really stood out for me about that interview, among other things.

SANCHEZ: It is our job be to hold their feet to the fire and certainly -- but the thing is, and it is interesting that you would bring that up, and this is something, Brooke, you and I talk about all the time.

When it comes to the tea party movement, is it fair to paint them al by a broad brush? Because You got a guy like Paladino yesterday. This guy is staunch in his very conservative, almost neoconservative viewpoints. But not everybody who joins that party has those perspectives, right, not socially, especially?

CRAWFORD: You know it is kind of like looking at Shriners' parades and say all Americans wear funny hats and drive tiny cars. I think there are a lot of very reasonable people in that movement.

And actually, many of their ideas about deficits and cutting spending and big government are actually mainstream viewpoints. It's just that some of their tactics look strange.

SANCHEZ: I write about this in my book "Conventional Idiocy," and I'm wondering if you have similar thought process on this. Sometimes it is not the people who are in the party, it is the people, organizations and businesses who come in and co-opt the party, co-opt this wonderful group of Americans who are concerned and turn on them almost and saying this is what you need to be concerned about. It's almost like suddenly they work for them.

CRAWFORD: I have downloaded your book on my Kindle but I haven't down read it yet, although that is a pretty lousy deal, I'm afraid.

But anyhow, you know, you're right. I think the tea party, you will represent, there is like -- there's a core group that get a lot of attention. But like a lot of groups, whether it's labor unions -- labor unions get rapped a lot for having these noisy boycotts at hotels looking kind of extreme.

But they are working-class issues, a lot of Americans might just recoil from some of those tactics agree with those issues and the same thing with the tea party. A lot of Americans to thought who wouldn't go to a rally and hold crazy signs and holler and scream and so on actually are in sync with some of their message.

And I think that is a danger for Democrats in demonizing the tea party and to be careful not demonize some of their ideas that are actually fairly popular around the country.

SANCHEZ: Yes. Yes. Yes. I think that's very well stated. Craig Crawford, as usual, we will be talking to you once again.

And Brooke is standing by. We want to break in before we do trending?

BALDWIN: Get a break in. No, I'm thinking about small business jobs act, supposed to create 500,000 jobs. But still, when are those jobs going happen? What kind of jobs will that create? You know, does it affect unemployment rate by Election Day? I don't think it does.

SANCHEZ: You're right. And it is called the "dent factor," when will we see the dent?

BALDWIN: When, when, when?

SANCHEZ: Even just a nick at this point.

BALDWIN: Just a thought I had.

SANCHEZ: We are going to be right back. Stay with us.

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SANCHEZ: All right. The president's finished what he had to say.

BALDWIN: Yes.

SANCHEZ: We had to go through all that process and you are here now to tell us what is trending on this day, which is?

BALDWIN: Which is the story, I heard about it this morning, it was tough to even look at the video as I hopped on my laptop early. Look, we all have grandparents, and they are getting older and older, and sometimes we have to, if we can afford it hire a care taker to look after them, right?

So what if you were to find out that particular caretaker wasn't so kind, in fact, was abusive to your loved one? Case in point, Jersey City. Again, warning, it's tough to watch. We have this video from Jersey City police department. Take a look with me. What it shows is a home health aide abusing a 91-year-old woman with Alzheimer's disease. It looks like the woman waiting to see -- moving around.

SANCHEZ: And she is supposed to be there to help her?

BALDWIN: She is supposed to be there to help her. There are parts of this video where she slaps her had around, she pulls her, she yanks her about. Keep in mind this woman is 91. Apparently, there we go.

SANCHEZ: There is the older woman.

BALDWIN: Look at how she handles her. Look at how she is handling her. I mean it just makes you gasp. Keep in mind as we watch, this is not one of those gotcha cameras. This was simply a camera that this woman's daughters put in this room to just keep tabs on their ailing mother.

There she goes, carries her away, tosses her on the ground. SANCHEZ: Oh.

BALDWIN: So the daughter starts to notice some bruising on her 91- year-old mother, right? So she thinks, what is going on here? She checked the tape, saw the abuse, reported it. So now this woman has been charged.

You guys tell me we don't have the sound? We do have the sound. This is the daughter. She is just totally in disbelief.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Heartbreaking it is to see your own mother abused by a person whom you trusted for so many years.

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BALDWIN: I mentioned she was charged, 52-year-old Carmen Herrera is this -- I say it loosely, I guess -- home care woman. She has been charged with aggravated assault with extreme indifference, endangering the welfare of an elderly person and the neglect of an incompetent person. Awful.

SANCHEZ: Have we gotten a chance to hear what her side of the story is yet?

BALDWIN: We have not yet. We are efforting.

SANCHEZ: We really should, because it is hard to explain the video.

BALDWIN: She is charged. Hard to explain. She's been working with this 91-year-old apparently for over a decade.

SANCHEZ: Wow. Good stuff, interesting video to look at.

Wolf Blitzer is next with your political ticker. He is going to join us in just a little bit. I'm Rick Sanchez. This is "RICK'S LIST." A lot is going on. And there is the Wolf-meister. He is going to join us in a little bit. Stay right there

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