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`Karr-Wreck` TV; Interview With Jared Fogle, `The Subway Guy`
Aired August 21, 2006 - 23:00 ET
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A.J. HAMMER, CO-HOST: Did Osama bin Laden want to kill Bobby Brown because he had a crush on his wife, Whitney Houston?
I`m A.J. Hammer in New York.
BROOKE ANDERSON, CO-HOST: And Rosie O`Donnell already having issues with her new job and she hasn`t even started yet.
I`m Brooke Anderson in Hollywood.
TV`s most provocative entertainment news show starts right now.
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HAMMER (voice over): On SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, shocking superstar VIP treatment for a suspected sex sicko killer.
Tonight, the stunning media frenzy surrounding the return of the man that might have murdered JonBenet Ramsey.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are you an innocent man?
JOHN MARK KARR, SUSPECT: No.
HAMMER: But SHOWBIZ TONIGHT asks, are the media treating John Mark Karr fairly?
Also, the right time for Kevin Federline? Mr. Britney Spears has been called a slacker, a joke. Now Spears` spouse says he is ready to clean up his act.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think he`s a brave man, he`s following his heart.
HAMMER: SHOWBIZ TONIGHT was there for his very first performance. Can`t show you it now, but we`ll let you decide whether K-Fed is fantastic or a flop.
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ANDERSON: Hi there. I`m Brooke Anderson in Hollywood.
HAMMER: I`m A.J. Hammer in New York.
You know, you just can`t look away.
Tonight, all America is talking about John Mark Karr. He of course is the man suspected of killing 6-year-old JonBenet Ramsey. All over the airwaves, you can`t escape it. And tonight, the latest twist in the decade-long murder mystery has now turned into a full-fledged media spectacle.
ANDERSON: Indeed, it has, A.J. The bizarre twists and turns we`ve seen in this case became even more bizarre today, including Karr`s VIP flight back here to Los Angeles. It all made for outrageous television that`s caused plenty of outrage.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hey, John. Did you do it?
ANDERSON: A media war tracked his every move in Bangkok. In Los Angeles, his whereabouts were updated every hour.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He is in a 6 x 9 cell here at the Twin Towers jail in downtown Los Angeles.
ANDERSON: But most bizarrely, in the coverage of John Mark Karr`s 15- hour business class plane ride from Bangkok to his current location in L.A., shows like "Good Morning America" even updated us on Karr`s in-flight menu selection.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Champagne, fried king prawns, roast duck.
ANDERSON: It`s no question, the media circus surrounding John Mark Karr, the man who says he was with the 6-year-old beauty queen JonBenet Ramsey the night she died, is not just a media circus. With coverage from Bangkok, L.A., and even over the Pacific, the John Mark Karr story is now officially a three-ring media circus.
MATTHEW FELLING, CENTER FOR MEDIA AND PUBLIC AFFAIRS: Coming out of the weekend with all the hype about "Snakes on a Plane," and then the first thing this morning on the news was "Kook on a Plane."
ANDERSON: From "Snakes on a Plane" to "Snake on a Plane," newspapers and TV covered every detail of Karr`s VIP transfer. It was the lead story in all of the network morning news shows.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Karr`s flight was not without controversy.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He flew without handcuffs in business class.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Who paid for this trip?
ANDERSON: This high-flying high class prisoner transfer wasn`t exactly the stuff of "Con Air," the action movie about a less ritzy prison flight.
JOHN MALKOVICH, ACTOR, "CON AIR": Stewardess, what`s the in-flight movie today?
ANDERSON: In Karr`s case, the in-flight movie was Tom Cruise`s "The Last Samurai."
CNN even had someone on the plane, reporter Drew Griffin, who called in during the flight to give live updates on Karr`s comings and goings.
DREW GRIFFIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It`s interesting. He cannot go into the bathroom and close the door and lock it, Carol. So the two male agents literally have to take him to the washroom with the door open.
ANDERSON: After he landed, CNN`s Drew Griffin told SHOWBIZ TONIGHT about the heavy media atmosphere on that strange flight.
GRIFFIN: There was nothing to report. Mr. Karr was not talking. His entourage, the officers, weren`t talking specifics about the case. So there was nothing else to report.
So I think that`s what happened. Somebody had to file a story. They figured what -- what would be the most incredible story I could file? I`ll describe business class service on Thai Airways. It`s the same service everybody got in business class, but it`s apparently created an uperror.
ANDERSON: And if Karr`s unusual flight weren`t enough, TV networks were reporting on an even more bizarre twist in this story.
SOLEDAD O`BRIEN, CNN ANCHOR: CNN obtained a copy of Karr`s hotel bill in Bangkok, found that calls had been made to a clinic specializing in cosmetic surgery and sex change operations.
ANDERSON: With news networks researching the veracity of Karr`s startling confession last week...
KARR: I love JonBenet and she died accidentally.
ANDERSON: ... plus his return to the United States, and every detail in between, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT is asking, why is Karr`s story so fascinating?
FELLING: I have one word for everybody. It`s August. This is the time when we go for sex and violence.
ANDERSON: Matthew Felling, media director in the Center for Media and Public Affairs, tells SHOWBIZ TONIGHT that this is the type of story networks salivate over in the dog days of summer.
FELLING: Networks try to find the easiest story to cover that will guarantee them the highest ratings. This is an A1 nut job straight from central casting. And then you top it off with the fact that he was applying for a sex change and then you`re back in "Silence of the Lambs" territory, and that`s just titillating it further.
ANDERSON: But some fear that media attention is being focused away from the horrific crime and the question of whether he cocommitted it at all, as we witnessed the creation of another infamous celebrity.
FELLING: You usually become a celebrity by accomplishing something great. Then you used to become a celebrity by accomplishing nothing, like Paris Hilton. Now you`re becoming a celebrity by doing something nasty, potentially, and that`s reaching a real new low in America.
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ANDERSON: And another plane ride could be in Karr`s immediate future. He has a hearing tomorrow here in Los Angeles to weigh his extradition to Colorado. If and when that happens, you can expect heavy media coverage of that transfer, as well.
HAMMER: Joining us with more on all of this media frenzy that`s focused on JonBenet Ramsey`s murder suspect John Mark Karr, investigative journalist Pat Lalama joining me tonight from Hollywood.
Pat, we`re throwing the "celebrity" word around. As disgusting it may feel to attach that particular word to this particular guy who may have murdered JonBenet, with all the nonstop coverage, you can`t really stop this from happening. We have seen it before. Scott Peterson particularly comes to mind.
As outrageous as it seems, Pat, isn`t the media really just doing its job here?
PAT LALAMA, INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST: Well, you know, that depends on how you see the media`s job, A.J. I mean, here`s the deal. I was in Boulder 10 years ago, part of the same vulturous flock of human beings knocking on doors, begging for information, looking for the aunts, mothers, sisters, brothers, cousin who might have known somebody who lived down the street from JonBenet. But what`s happened is we are less interested in the real crime in this point.
We are so amazed by, who is this -- this apparent sicko? Whoever wrote that line that you read, "We just can`t look away," that`s exactly it. That was genius, because I don`t care who you are, I don`t care if you`re a professor, I don`t care if you`re the president, I don`t care who you are, you can`t look away, because it is so amazing to think that this human being, whether he killed JonBenet or not, could possibly dupe us like this.
I mean, that`s the real mystery here. How does this frail little guy, who now we understand might want to be a woman, how did he convince all of us to go crazy like this? He`s got a certain amount of power right now and we almost hate ourselves for it, but we can`t stop. Am I right?
HAMMER: You`re right. And look at the images that we`re getting.
In fact, Ellie (ph), can we throw up that image, the footage that we have of him from the plane?
Because we`ve been seeing this very disturbing footage, if you ask me. Look at this guy. He`s sitting there in business class, looking pretty comfortable. He was sipping on champagne, from what we understand, on the ride home. And this is all while he is being shipped back to the U.S. on suspicion of murder. He could have hidden from the cameras, he could have thrown a blanket over his head or asked the cops to have everybody get away from him, but he didn`t.
So, Pat, you kind of get the feeling the media here is now giving him exactly what he wants.
LALAMA: Oh, my gosh, are you kidding? We are just playing into the whole thing. And you know what? Let`s just make a couple of things clear.
Those cops, be they LAPD, be they from Boulder, be they Thai, they know what they are doing. It was probably the right thing to put him in business class.
You put him back in coach, it`s cramped, it`s crowded, he can`t come and go. They can`t keep his -- their eyes on him as much as they`d like to, so I`m not offended by that.
HAMMER: Sure.
LALAMA: One other thing, everyone`s talking about, oh, the D.A. Oh, my gosh, reports of her imminent professional death are exaggerated.
Let me tell you something, this D.A. in Boulder, she would not -- she had to do this, A.J. People are saying, "Oh, my gosh, he has really got one over on her." If she had ignored this man...
HAMMER: No way.
LALAMA: ... she would have gotten -- I mean, can you imagine?
HAMMER: No way. Got to do it. Got to do it, and by the book.
Real quickly, I want to get just at one last thing, because you`ve got to believe, Pat, that there are now dozens of screenwriters out there in Hollywood sitting in the coffee shops on Hollywood Boulevard.
LALAMA: Yes.
HAMMER: They`re cranking out scripts for what will be that inevitable made for TV movie, because we know it`s got all the elements. Somebody has to have already bought the rights somewhere along the way, right?
LALAMA: I guarantee you, everybody with any kind of remote connection to this man is trying to sell a screenplay. I saw it in Boulder. I had to wait in line with people from "Dateline" in front of me and people from Warner Brothers in front of them knocking on doors trying to get stories.
I mean, it`s craziness. And this is where we are in America today, A.J.
HAMMER: You probably could have sold your screenplay.
Pat Lalama, thanks very for joining us tonight.
LALAMA: OK.
ANDERSON: Now we want to hear from you. It is our SHOWBIZ TONIGHT "Question of the Day." JonBenet suspect John Mark Karr: Are the media treating him fairly?
Go to cnn.com/showbiztonight. Send us an e-mail, showbiztonight@cnn.com.
HAMMER: So Rosie O`Donnell already has on-the-job issues at "The View," and she`s not even on the job yet.
We`ll get into that next.
ANDERSON: Did Osama bin Laden want to kill Bobby Brown so he could marry Whitney Houston? That`s ridiculous and that`s next.
Plus, we`ve got this...
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Ditan (ph) went to the Philippines for the sole purpose of engaging in sex with minors.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
HAMMER: Coming up, a rare inside look at the chase to catch a suspected sex sicko accused of horrific acts of child pornography.
SHOWBIZ TONIGHT investigates, and that is still to come.
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HAMMER: Welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, TV`s most provocative entertainment news show.
I`m A.J. Hammer in New York.
It`s time now for a story that truly made us say, "That`s ridiculous!"
I`ve got to let you know that we come across all kinds of way out things that come across our desks during the day here at SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. This particular item might be one of the most outrageous stories ever.
Pay attention now.
A woman who claims to have been one of Osama bin Laden`s mistresses says the world`s number one criminal wanted to make Whitney Houston his wife. You heard me correctly.
This -- this is who we`re talking about. Author Kola Boof adds that Osama wanted to kill Whitney`s husband, Bobby Brown, right there, and marry Whitney. He didn`t particularly care for Whitney`s music, but he liked the pre-drug problem look that Whitney had.
Truly sick stuff. And if it`s true, "That`s ridiculous!"
ANDERSON: Uh-oh. Rosie O`Donnell hadn`t even started on "The View" yet. She joins the couch on the daytime talker in just about two weeks. But she is already causing some rumblings.
It looks like Rosie might have some problems with not running the show. Check out her blog.
She says, "I saw the new `View` promos and found myself in the position I loathe most, powerless. It will be hard for me to not be the boss. It is already, and we have only just begun."
I`m not sure what Barbara Walters thinks about that one.
Now, Rosie also blogged about an interview she did with "Access Hollywood" where she was asked if she was happy Star Jones Reynolds was gone from "The View." "It would not have been fun for me fighting every day. Life is too short."
Rosie added that she thinks the show will be better, though.
HAMMER: Well, Rosie has also ripped into Star Jones in the past because she won`t come clean about how she lost so much weight. A lot of people think she had gastric bypass surgery. But Jared the Subway guy, now, we know exactly how he shed the pounds. We`ve all seen those commercials, him eating those Subway sandwiches, losing the weight.
Seven years ago, Jared Fogle tipped the scales at 425 pounds. And now he is literally half the man he used to be. And he has written a book about how he did it called "Jared, the Subway Guy."
Jared Fogle joining me in New York.
It`s a pleasure to meet you.
JARED FOGLE, AUTHOR, "JARED, THE SUBWAY GUY": Thank you. It`s good to be here.
HAMMER: Let me just set up your story. Again, I mentioned that you weighed 425 pounds. That was some years ago while you were in college.
You were morbidly obese. You got plucked out of obscurity to star in these Subway commercials. You lost the weight. And now you are truly a bona fide star. People everywhere must call out your name and shout out to you.
FOGLE: It`s crazy. No matter where I go, whether I`m in, you know, New York, L.A., Denver, I can be even Australia and New Zealand now and people know who I am. And, you know, I think it`s not one of those typical kind of celebrities. It`s one of the ones that say, "You know what? I`m just like he is and they know me by name." And...
HAMMER: On dieting and this sort of world. One of the things that we talk about a lot here are, you know, those impossible images that are constantly bombarding us out of Hollywood, particularly the impossibly thin female stars.
FOGLE: Absolutely.
HAMMER: And that puts a lot of pressure on young women today.
I`m curious for you -- or, I know you go around and speak to schools and kids all across the country.
FOGLE: Sure.
HAMMER: Do you hear about those images of the guys, the pictures of, let`s say, Matthew McConaughey or Brad Pitt? Did that ever affect you? Or do you hear that guys are actually affected by...
FOGLE: You do. And I think they are. I think it`s sort of one of the things that`s not talked about as much.
But, you know, as I said, I go to schools now. I see -- unfortunately, you know, you see both extremes. And you see the kids who are morbidly obese, who are obese themselves, and then you obviously want to make sure you find -- you find that fine line.
And I always tell the kids, you know, it`s not about being skinny, it`s not about being thin. It`s about being healthy. You want to be healthy.
HAMMER: Yes. Because look at you. You`re a fit guy. I mean, you`re what I would believe is an attainable weight for somebody who has to knock a few pounds off.
FOGLE: Absolutely.
HAMMER: But I`ve got to say, Jared, it seems like you`ve kind of set yourself up, because everybody knows you for having lost all this weight.
FOGLE: Sure.
HAMMER: Everybody cheers you on because of seeing you on these commercials.
It has to be a tremendous amount of pressure.
FOGLE: You know, I don`t really look at it as pressure. I look at it more as sort of motivation to keep the weight off.
Obviously, you know, half the battle is losing it, the other half is keeping it off, at least -- hopefully for the rest of your life and making those lifestyle changes and the commitment to yourself to do that. And, you know, although I am in the spotlight -- of course, everybody, you know, is sort of watching, so to speak -- at the same time, I really don`t -- I don`t take it as pressure. I just take it as, you know, it`s a little extra incentive for me to keep it off.
I mean, obviously, I get to, you know, show my old pair of pants I used to wear.
HAMMER: Yes, would you show us the old pair of pants here? Can we get a shot? This is -- what size is this now?
FOGLE: These are my old 60 inch pair of pants. I don`t know which...
HAMMER: Look at that, guys. And you wear a 34 now?
FOGLE: Yes, I`m down to a 34 now from a 60 inch pair of pants.
HAMMER: And, of course, everybody wants to know, are you still eating the Subway sandwiches.
FOGLE: Well, of course. I mean, occasionally, you know. I eat it a couple days a week. But, besides that, just learn to eat in moderation, like anything else.
HAMMER: Well, again, a great story. And I appreciate you dropping by here at SHOWBIZ TONIGHT.
Jared Fogle, thanks so much.
FOGLE: Thank you so much.
HAMMER: And the book is called "Jared, the Subway Guy". You`ll find it in bookstores now.
ANDERSON: In tonight`s "Showbiz Showcase," your first look at "The Black Dahlia," starring Josh Hartnett, Scarlett Johansson and Hilary Swank. It`s based on the crime that rocked Hollywood more than 50 years ago.
"Black Dahlia" retells the story of a shocking and gruesome murder of a starlet that`s still unsolved today.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP, "THE BLACK DAHLIA")
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was a great test. It was a little bit sharp.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Don`t look. I want to meet Richard (ph). Say you care. Say that you...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s short.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is a very sad theme.
Do you think you`re capable of playing sadness?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I can do that.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Her name was Elizabeth Short. She was young and beautiful, determined to be famous, but destined to be infamous.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is a very sad theme. Do you think you`re capable of playing sadness?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I can do that.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Her name was Elizabeth Short. She was young and beautiful, determined to be famous, but destined to be infamous.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, listen up. No reporters view the body.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The victim has been cut in half, all organs removed, blood drained from the body, and the mouth sliced aear to ear.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was the most notorious murder in California history. To the public, it was a sensation.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This killer will be caught.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: To us, it will become an obsession.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You`ve got to do something. He`s been like this (INAUDIBLE).
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: From the corridors of power...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What do I have to do to keep my name out of the papers?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... to the filth of the gutters...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She looks like that dead girl. How sick are you?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Everybody`s been touched, consumed.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Elizabeth and I made love once. I just did it to see what it would be like with someone who looks like me.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m scared.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nothing stays buried forever -- nothing.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Please say that you care. Or say that you think that I`m beautiful.
(END VIDEO CLIP, "THE BLACK DAHLIA")
ANDERSON: "The Black Dahlia" hits theaters next month.
HAMMER: Newly divorced superstars Nick Lachey and Jessica Simpson cross paths. And boy, is it a little awkward.
SHOWBIZ TONIGHT is right there.
ANDERSON: Also, Mr. Britney Spears has been called a slacker, a joke. Now, Spears` spouse says he`s ready to clean up his act. We`re going to let you decide whether K-Fed`s very first performance is fantastic or a flop.
Plus, we`ve got this...
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The hardest part of this job is looking into their eyes and trying to imagine the pain that they must be going through.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
HAMMER: Coming up, a rare inside look at the case to catch a suspected sex sicko accused of acts of child pornography.
SHOWBIZ TONIGHT investigates. And that is still to come.
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HAMMER: Tomorrow, free at 40. Forget 50. Sixty is where it`s at this year. Cher, Sylvester Stallone, Diane Keaton, the list goes on an don, hot stars turning 60 and still shining.
SHOWBIZ TONIGHT takes a look at how 60 is the new 40 tomorrow.
ANDERSON: OK. So when you fill a room with some of the biggest stars out there, many who have dated each other, there has got to be some sort of juicy controversy, right? Well, that`s what happened at last night`s Teen Choice Awards, courtesy of Jessica Simpson and Nick Lachey.
Now, those two are divorced, and Jessica co-hosted the show with Dane Cook, a guy she is rumored to be hooking up with. Well, poor Nick had to sit in the front row watching all of this go down. But wait. It gets stickier.
Take a listen to what Lachey said when he won the award for Choice love song, a song he wrote about his breakup with Jessica.
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NICK LACHEY, SINGER: You know, I just -- I just want to start off by saying -- awkward? A little bit!
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ANDERSON: I would say so.
By the way, the music video for that song, "What`s Left of Me," features the new girl is supposedly dating, MTV`s Vanessa Minnillo.
Both Dane and Jessica deny they are an item.
HAMMER: Well, Mr. Britney Spears has been called a slacker, a joke. Now Spears` spouse says he is ready to clean up his act. Should we all give Kevin Federline a break?
That`s coming up.
ANDERSON: And Mel Gibson still getting ripped for his drunk driving arrest and anti-Semitic rant. Coming up, Dennis Leary goes off, and it`s hysterical.
Plus, we`ve also got this...
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Ditan (ph) went to the Philippines for the sole purpose of engaging in sex with minors.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
HAMMER: A rare inside look at the chase to catch a suspected sex sicko accused of horrific acts of child pornography.
SHOWBIZ TONIGHT investigates, and that is still to come.
SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, for Monday night, coming right back.
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HAMMER: Welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. It is 30 minutes past the hour. I`m A.J. Hammer in New York.
ANDERSON: And I`m Brooke Anderson in Hollywood. This is TV`s most provocative entertainment news show.
HAMMER: Well, still to come tonight, Brooke - you know, ever since his bust for DUI, which included a wild anti-Semitic tirade, people have been giving Mel Gibson an extremely - and might I add, well-deserved - hard time. Coming up, we`re going to take a little look at the latest ways people are having fun at Mel`s expense, including some very choice words from one major star in particular you will not want to miss.
ANDERSON: And no, you won`t want to miss that.
Also, A.J., Kevin Federline - aka Britney Spears` husband - has been called a slacker by some, someone who`s riding on his wife`s coattails. Well now, K-Fed is ready to prove that he is talented on his own - as a rapper? We have his very first big performance coming up, and then all of you can decide for yourself what you think.
HAMMER: I`m doing my best not to call him K-Fed, by the way.
But first tonight, as kids have become more and more tech savvy, so have child predators. And authorities are trying to stay one step ahead. Well tonight, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT goes inside the high-tech efforts to gather evidence on a known child pornographer and put him behind bars.
Here`s Thelma Gutierrez for SHOWBIZ TONIGHT.
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THELMA GUTIERREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Cebu City, the Philippines, a favorite destination for American tourists. For one California man, it was the perfect place to tour the city`s Catholic churches and practice his religious devotion. The 61-year-old retired auditor, Edilberto Datan, had a dark secret, and U.S. agents knew all about it.
JORGE GUZMAN, U.S. IMMIGRATION AND CUSTOMS AGENT: Mr. Datan went to the Philippines for the sole purpose of engaging in sex with minors.
GUTIERREZ: Agents with ICE, the Immigration Customs Enforcement Bureau in Long Beach, California, mobilized to try to catch Datan coming into the country with child pornography.
GUZMAN: ICE investigations.
GUTIERREZ: This is a rare look inside the forensic lab where ICE agents, child-porn trackers, conduct their investigations.
DAVID DRASIN, U.S. IMMIGRATION AND CUSTOMS AGENT: The hardest part of this job is looking into their eyes and trying to imagine the pain that they must be going through.
GUTIERREZ: Assistant Special Agent in Charge Jorge Guzman says after ICE agents were tipped off about Datan`s trips to Cebu City, they began tracking his movements.
GUZMAN: He was engaged in sexual misconduct with these - with these young boys, as young as 14 years old from what we`ve learned. They could be younger.
GUTIERREZ: According to federal authorities, Edilberto Datan enticed young boys to his room.
RUPA GOSWAMI, ASSISTANT U.S. ATTORNEY: He would take them for food, he would offer them T-shirts or backpacks. Not - not huge amounts of money for access to them.
GUTIERREZ: For as little as $2, Datan took pictures of the kids with his digital camera.
GUZMAN: It also showed other young males in - in very disturbing scenes, including very, very detailed close-ups of the genital area of these young boys.
GUTIERREZ: Datan would lure as many as 18 boys to his room during his trip.
GOSWAMI: There`s images of him naked with a naked child on top of him. There`s also a series of photographs of the children, sort of splayed out.
GUTIERREZ: The images would be stored on small devices called memory cards or memory sticks, which he would then smuggle out of the Philippines and trade with his friend. As Datan returned to Los Angeles from the Philippines and made his way through Customs, an officer ran his passport through the database. His name was flagged. Datan was pulled aside and searched.
GUZMAN: He had three memory sticks from a camera that were taped inside the pocket of his jeans.
GUTIERREZ: A fourth stick was found in his camera. A federal search warrant turned up more than a dozen of boxes child pornography in his San Diego home. The boxes and his computer were seized. But to lock up their case, agents still needed to prove that Datan took the photos.
Just as investigators at a crime scene take special care with physical evidence like blood and fingerprints...
GUZMAN: We`re using both databases.
GUTIERREZ: ... forensic agents would have to take special care in analyzing Datan`s camera, memory sticks and computer hard drives without contaminating the original electronic evidence.
DRASIN: What we do at that point is we will make an exact duplicate copy. Some people call it a mirror image.
GUTIERREZ: When Datan`s memory sticks were accessed, agents found more than a hundred photos of Filipino boys.
GUZMAN: The memory sticks was the most important piece of evidence against Mr. Datan, because it basically showed him in the act of exploiting children and - and basically working as a predator.
GUTIERREZ: Each photo would have to be analyzed.
DRASIN: Each child-pornographic image has one digital fingertip, just like people would only have one - one fingerprint
GUTIERREZ: The evidence is run through a sophisticated software program, where crucial information begins to emerge.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sometimes you`ll find a camera, make, model, date the picture was taken, other internal data that the user won`t see when they look at the picture.
GUTIERREZ: In addition to tying the perpetrator`s camera to the crime, the digital fingerprints can also help identify the child. This digital information is run against a database in Washington of known victims of child pornography. If a match is found, investigators can identify the child.
GOSWAMI: The images are - are really -- they`re of a crime scene, we just didn`t get there in time.
GUTIERREZ: Forensic agents were able to match Edilberto Datan`s camera to the images on the memory sticks he was carrying, and authorities in the Philippines were able to identify eight of Datan`s victims.
GUZMAN: He never thought he was going to get caught, and what`s equally disturbing is that Mr. Datan exhibited a lackadaisical attitude after being apprehended or arrested for his crime. He basically thought he had done nothing wrong.
GUTIERREZ: In the end, Datan pled guilty to engaging in illicit sexual conduct with minors and producing child pornography, and is now serving a 17-year sentence in a federal prison.
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HAMMER: That was CNN`s Thelma Gutierrez for SHOWBIZ TONIGHT.
And tonight, there`s a new tool in the works to help protect kids from Internet-related crimes. At the Crimes Against Children conference in Dallas today, a new public service announcement was announced warning teens not to post pictures or information on the Internet that could put them in danger. And that should start running early next year.
Well, as the fascination and JonBenet Ramsey case and John Mark Karr continues, we`ve been asking you to vote on tonight`s SHOWBIZ TONIGHT "Question of the Day." We want your feedback on this: "JonBenet Suspect: Are the media treating him fairly?" Let us know what you think at cnn.com/showbiztonight. Got more to say? The e-mail address is showbiztonight@cnn.com. And we`ll read some of your e-mails tomorrow.
ANDERSON: Mel Gibson`s drunken rant has officially become the joke du jour. The Gibson bashing is happening everywhere after his arrest on drunk- driving charges and his anti-Semitic comments.
First, here`s what happened during a broadcast of a Boston Red Sox game: Denis Leary showed up to do some guest announcing. Here`s what he said after a nice play by Boston`s first baseman, Kevin Youkilis, who happens to be Jewish.
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DENIS LEARY, ENTERTAINER: Yes, where`s Mel Gibson now? Where`s Mel Gibson now, huh? He`s in rehab. And Youkilis is at first base. All right, Mel? You happy, Braveheart? Huh? Did you see that grab, Mel? Huh? I hope in rehab they`re - they`re showing him a replay of that.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
LEARY: A Jewish first baseman makes the play, Mel Gibson. He`ll be out - good luck when you come out.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`ll be (INAUDIBLE)
LEARY: Call Jeffery Katzenberg and ask him for a job when you get out, Mel. A Jewish first baseman? I want a whole Jewish infield when Mel Gibson comes out.
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ANDERSON: Denis Leary is fired up there.
OK, now over to San Diego, where a radio station is taking a shot at the Gibson scandal with a billboard featuring a mug shot and a George Thorogood song. You see it, "One Bourbon, One Scotch, One Beer." The station`s program director says they couldn`t resist, and hopes Gibson takes it in the spirit - pun intended - in which it was meant.
HAMMER: And look at all the publicity they`re getting.
Well, we want to remind you that SHOWBIZ TONIGHT is now on seven nights a week. TV`s most provocative entertainment news show is on your weekends now. So make sure you join us for SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, not only Monday through Friday, but Saturday and Sunday as well, at 11 p.m. Eastern, 8 Pacific.
So who wins in a battle between "South Park" and "The Simpsons"? We`ll get into that next in "Hot Headlines."
We`ll also have this:
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JOE DEROSA, COMEDIAN: I never thought I`d say anything where I`d be, like, You know what? Compared to Vanilla Ice, this blows.
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ANDERSON: The early reviews are in; Kevin Federline makes his performance debut at the Teen Choice Awards. We`ll have the choice words that are used to react to it coming up.
HAMMER: Plus, after all the buzz, what the heck happened with "Snakes on a Plane"? Critics are rattled; audiences are slithering in their seats. We`re going to find out whether it lived up to all the hype, coming up.
ANDERSON: But first, tonight`s "Entertainment Weekly Great American Pop Culture Quiz": "The movie `Starship Troopers` was based on the novel by which highly regard sci-fi author?" Robert Heinlein, Ray Bradbury, Isaac Asimov, Arthur C. Clarke.
Think about it. We`ll be right back.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stand by, Brooke, in 3, 2 - Brooke`s mike, dissolve (INAUDIBLE).
ANDERSON: Thank you.
(INAUDIBLE) again tonight`s "Entertainment Weekly Great American Pop Culture Quiz": The movie `Starship Troopers` was based on the novel by which highly regard sci-fi author?" Was it A, Robert Heinlein; B, Ray Bradbury; C, Isaac Asimov, or D, Arthur C. Clarke. The answer is A, Robert Heinlein.
HAMMER: Welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT for Monday night. TV`s most provocative entertainment news show is on.
And it`s time for another story that made us says "That`s Ridiculous!" And tonight, we`re bringing you a little piece of performance art that`s going on at a gallery in England. Now this particular piece of performance art involves a naked woman cradling a dead pig for four hours. You heard me right. Some solid entertainment going on across the pond.
Now, we aren`t the only ones, of course, who think this is ridiculous. In fact, PETA calls the idea, "sick" and suggests that the woman who thought the whole thing up doesn`t have the talent to - quote - "make it as a proper artist."
Brooke, would you pay the big bucks to go see said woman holding the dead pig?
ANDERSON: I would not. Seems a little bit twisted to me, A.J.
And you know, on the Web site for the gallery, the artist said that the work left her with an undercurrent of piginess. So what does that mean? An affinity for pigs? I.
HAMMER: I`m just glad to know that you`re surfing on over to that Web site.
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ANDERSON: I did go to the Web site.
But we say, A naked woman cradling a pig? Now "That`s Ridiculous!"
All right. Moving now to Britney Spears, her husband has been called a lot of things in the media, from a slacker to a cheater, even a bad dad. Well how about talented rapper? Based on his performance in the Teen Choice Awards last night, chances are no one`s going to be using that description anytime soon.
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ANDERSON (voice-over): Well, there it is.
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ANDERSON: Britney Spears` husband, Kevin Federline, performing on network television for the first time - not as a backup dance, not as Mr. Spears, but as a rapper.
DEROSA: It sucked. It was awful.
ANDERSON: He`s known as K-Fed, and he chose the 8th Annual Teen Choice Awards in Hollywood to show the world he`s not just what the media has called him: a cigarette-smoking party animal backup dancing.
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ANDERSON: He wants everyone to know he`s stepping out of pop superstar Britney`s shadow and starting a singing career of his own.
DEROSA: It was one of the worst things I`ve ever seen in my life. I feel bad for all those children. They can make, like, a Lifetime movie out of the trauma that those kids are going to face for having seen that.
ANDERSON: From the lyrics.
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ANDERSON: .to the outfit to the bleeped-out curse words.
(RAPPING)
ANDERSON: .it was, in many places, hard to watch.
DEROSA: I never thought I`d say anything where I`d be, like, You know what? Compared to Vanilla Ice, this blows. He`s talented in a way that a guy that dresses up as Mickey Mouse and, like, take pictures with children at Disneyworld is talented. You`re alive. I wouldn`t use the word talent. (INAUDIBLE) living.
ANDERSON: Aww. Poor Kevin. At least his millionairess wife supports him. Hey, somebody`s got to.
Take a look at the very pregnant and very proud Britney Spears introducing her husband to the crowd.
BRITNEY SPEARS, SINGER: Please give a warm welcome to my man, Kevin Federline.
ANDERSON: They`re now expecting their second child next month. Kevin and Britney married in 2004. But ever since then, celeb watchers have called them the laughingstock. They complain he`s been riding her coattails ever since.
DEROSA: She can`t possibly really like this guy`s music. It`s like when you have a kid that sucks at sports and, you know - and he never gets to play, and he comes home and he cries, and you still cheer for him at the game when he gets in for two minutes and blows it for everybody else. That`s how she`s got to look at him.
ANDERSON: Brit wasn`t the only one to get behind her man. Before the show got going, I hit the red carpet and spoke with some stars who actually didn`t mind the guy.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Kevin Federline, I think he`s a brave man. He`s following his heart, you know what I`m saying? I wish him well. If this is really what he wants to do, you got to respect that. You can`t knock the hustle (ph).
PAULA ABDUL, ENTERTAINER: He can dance, but .
ANDERSON: (on camera): So..
ABDUL: I think a lot of people are going to probably (INAUDIBLE) what a great dancer he is when they see him on stage tonight.
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ANDERSON (voice-over): K-Fed was only on stage for a few minutes, but he still kept the folks at FOX busy bleeping out his curse words.
DEROSA: They`re bleeping him on the Teen Choice Awards, you know? Like, you - you did it, K-Fed, man. You are edgy.
ANDERSON: Come on, K-Fed. Why the dirty mouth? You`re a dad. You should know what`s appropriate for a kids` show. Maybe he was scared we were going to ask him about that on the red carpet..
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ANDERSON: .because he kept walking when he saw our SHOWBIZ TONIGHT microphone.
DEROSA: He can`t tarnish his image by talking to a network that has class and dignity. He doesn`t understand, you know? He sees the CNN logo and, you know, it - he - he can`t grasp what it is. It`s like trying to show his wife why she shouldn`t wear belly shirts when she`s eight months pregnant.
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ANDERSON: He said it, not us. And again, those weren`t problems with the audio you were hearing. Those were times when Kevin`s lyrics were bleeped out.
His debut album, "Playing With Fire," is due out in October.
HAMMER: .believe that he called himself a superstar in his lyrics there. Don`t you have to do something first?
All right. Moving on now, despite the intense - and I mean intense - Internet hype surrounding "Snakes on a Plane," the movie slithered away this weekend with only $15 million, which was far less than what was actually expected.
So what went wrong? Why didn`t "Snakes on a Plane" bite? Joining us tonight from Hollywood, our friend Paul Degarabedian. He`s the president and CEO of Exhibitor Relations.
All right, Pauly. So $15 million - nothing to shake a snake at. But this was really meant to be the movie of late summer. What happened here?
PAUL DEGARABEDIAN, EXHIBITOR RELATIONS: Well, you know, I think there was so much hype and so much buildup, I don`t know how this movie was ever going to live up to all of that.
You know, months ago, there was so much on the Internet being talked about "Snakes on a Plane" because of the title of the movie, and the fact that it was "Pacific Air 121" and then Samuel L. Jackson wanted "Snakes on a Plane," he wanted that title back. The bloggers got a hold of this thing, and had been talking about it online for months.
The trick is though is to create, you know, moviegoers out of those bloggers. And people who have that high awareness of the movie, that`s great. But if you don`t get them into the movie theater, you`re not going to have big grosses at the box office.
HAMMER: And this is really the first time that we`ve seen it, a movie that really, basically, relied solely on the Internet to generate buzz because it wasn`t screened for the media; it wasn`t screened for the critics. Most of them thought it was a bit campy. Really, the first time that this experiment of a new model of promoting a film happened. So basically, it was kind of a failed experiment, wouldn`t you say?
DEGARABEDIAN: Yes, I think the jury is still out on this type of Internet marketing. However, I have to say, in New Line`s defense, you know, most of this was very organic. They didn`t have to spend a lot of money to get all this attention because the bloggers kind of took it over.
And I also think it`s very kind of cool how the filmmakers actually took suggestions from the - the potential moviegoer online and made changes to the film. So that`s all great. But again, all this marketing is - is for one thing: it`s to get people in movie theaters. Fifteen point two million isn`t horrible, but I think all of this buildup, it was seen as a disappointment.
I think now though the trick will be is to create some word of mouth. Because the people that I`ve talked to who have seen the movie, when they come out of there, they`ve had a great time. It`s a great in-theater experience, a lot of fun. And hopefully that word of mouth will generate more box office for the film.
HAMMER: Yes, because I - I - that would beg the question to me, What is it that really gets people out to the new movies in - in their first weekend anyway? Obviously, there`s not enough time for word of mouth establish. And they show to the - to the critics, then people aren`t going to be, you know, reading about it in the newspapers or the magazines or on television.
Is it really the fact that, you know, we`ve sort of underestimated the power of the critics, and - and that people aren`t willing to go see something new until they hear what their favorite critics has to say?
DEGARABEDIAN: Well, that`s - that`s an interesting take, because there had been a lot of talk this year about, Do critics have an effect and do critics matter? And again, I can`t really answer that question. We`ve seen both sides of that.
But I think this movie did probably what it was going - going to do anyway. Now, at $15.2 million with a $30 million budget, they`ll probably end up making money on the movie through DVD sales and that type of thing. But I think this shows, the traditional marketing methods work the best. You know, the - the trailers, the - the TV spots, the in-theater marketing, the - the posters for the film, billboards and that type of thing. And that, there`s no mandate on using this type of Internet marketing to bring people into the theater.
But, you know, it was a great experiment.
HAMMER: Yes.
DEGARABEDIAN: And - and why not? It`s an - it`s an interesting movie.
HAMMER: Yes, and as you mentioned, there are a lot of people probably saying, I`ll wait for the DVD.
Paul Degarabedian of Exhibitor Relations, thanks as wall, man.
DEGARABEDIAN: Thank you.
ANDERSON: It is time now for tonight`s "Hot Headline."
And we start with "South Park" versus "The Simpsons."
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UNIDENTIFIED VOICE ACTOR: Dad, Tom Cruise won`t come out of the closet.
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ANDERSON: That episode of "South Park" making fun of Tom Cruise was memorable, but not enough to beat "The Simpsons" for best animated show at the Creative Arts Emmy Awards over the weekend. For the ninth time, "The Simpsons" picked up that art. The Creative Arts Emmys are a prelude to the Primetime Emmys, which will be broadcast August 27.
German prosecutors say they won`t open an investigation into Madonna`s concert. She performed the first of two concerts in Germany last night, and prosecutors said they were going to keep an eye on the crucifixion scene that had been criticized before. German authorities say the scene may be hurtful to religious people, but it`s covered by laws that protect artistic freedom.
TV personality Brooke Burke is engaged. David Charvet, who used to be on "Baywatch," proposed to Burke at a party he threw over the weekend. The couple are expecting a child together. There they are. Congratulations to them.
And those are tonight`s "Hot Headlines."
HAMMER: A reminder that SHOWBIZ TONIGHT can now be seen seven nights a week. TV`s most provocative entertainment news show on your weekends as well, Saturday and Sunday night at 11 p.m. Eastern. That is 8 Pacific.
SHOWBIZ TONIGHT for Monday night coming right back.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stand by, A.J.`s mike. Go, A.J.
HAMMER: Welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. I`m A.J. Hammer. You`re watching TV`s most provocative entertainment news show.
And it`s time now to see what`s coming up on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. For that, we roll out our "SHOWBIZ Marquee." Hit it, Ali (ph).
Coming up tomorrow, forget 40. Forget 50. Sixty is where it`s at this year. I`m talking about Cher, Sylvester Stallone, Diane Keaton. The list goes on and on and on. Hot stars turning 60 and still shining. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT takes a look at how 60 is the new 40. And we`ll do that tomorrow.
And later this week, dueling pop divas: Jessica Simpson, Janet Jackson, Christina Aguilera. They`ve got albums coming out around the same time. Who`s going to win the battle for the Billboard charts? Diva versus diva. That`s later this week on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT.
And that is it for SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. Thanks for watching. I`m A.J. Hammer in New York.
ANDERSON: And I am Brooke Anderson in Hollywood. Have a great night, everybody.
Glenn Beck is coming up next. That is right after the latest headlines from CNN Headline News. Keep it right here.
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