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XM Radio Shock Jocks Laughingly Describe How They`d Rape Condoleezza Rice, Laura Bush, Queen Of England. Should They Be Fired Like Don Imus? Hollywood`s Plastic Surgery Successes And Disasters
Aired May 11, 2007 - 19:00 ET
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A. J. HAMMER, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT ANCHOR: Another shocking radio host controversy. Coast to coast outrage over explosive comments about Condoleezza Rice, Laura Bush and Queen Elizabeth getting raped. I`m A.J. Hammer in New York.
BROOKE ANDERSON, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT ANCHOR: And Demi Moore opens up about her regrets as a mother. I`m Brooke Anderson in Hollywood. TV`s most provocative entertainment news show starts right now.
HAMMER: On SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, the explosive Brangelina family secrets. Tonight, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT uncovers the never before heard details of Angelina Jolie and Bra Pitt`s personal life. Angelina in her emotional own words about being a mom, spending time with Brad and the kids and her shocking reason of why she decided to have a baby. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT with the bombshell Brangelina story that will leave you speechless.
Star plastic surgery successes and nightmares. Tonight, whose nips and tucks were terrific and whose, well, were just plain terrible. Plus, does going under the knife really change their life? SHOWBIZ TONIGHT investigates when bad nose and boob jobs happen to good stars.
Friday night is on. I`m A.J. Hammer in New York.
ANDERSON: I`m Brooke Anderson in Hollywood. Tonight, there is absolute outrage over two of America`s most notorious shock jocks, believe it or not, joking and laughing about violently sexually attacking Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. You`re not going to believe what you`re going to here, coming up.
HAMMER: But first tonight, something else you`ve just got to hear. Angelina Jolie revealing some of the most intimate details about her life with Brad Pitt and their kids. I can tell you that Angelina has never opened up like this before and it`s absolutely fascinating. Jolie talks about everything.
ANDERSON: She definitely does. From whether her relationship with Brad Pitt is in trouble to the challenges of raising four kids, to even how she and Brad steel their own private time together.
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ANDERSON (voice-over): They are one of the world`s most photographed, famous, and beautiful families. And Angelina Jolie is giving her most revealing look yet inside the family she`s created with Brad Pitt.
ANGELINA JOLIE, ACTRESS: It`s all happened very quickly with so many children. We love them. We`re having a great time.
ANDERSON: SHOWBIZ TONIGHT brings you tapes of her intimate interview with "Reader`s Digest Magazine," where Jolie tells just about everything about her life with Brad, their adopted children, Maddox, Zahara and Pax, and their biological baby daughter Shiloh.
MEG GRANT, "READER`S DIGEST": I think by what she said, their marriage and family life is very healthy.
ANDERSON: And the one-time butt-kicking heroin of "Lara Croft Tomb Raider" takes on her newest foe, all of those roomers that she and Brad are breaking up about.
GRANT: She just was very candid and open with us about her every day life. And there was no question she didn`t answer.
ANDERSON: We all remember the mystery and the hype when Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie got together two years ago in thing wake of Pitt`s split with wife, "Friends" star Jennifer Aniston. Jolie, who had been married twice before herself, tells "Readers` Digest" she wasn`t sure love would find her again.
JOLIE: It came in the last place I expected. I was sure it wasn`t going to be an actor. I met this amazing person who, in spending a lot of time talking, realized we had very, very similar views on family, views on how we wanted to live our lives. We were just very, very similar. It took me by surprise.
GRANT: She said that what she loved about him was that he balanced her out, that he was a little quieter and more thoughtful.
ANDERSON: Meg Grant of "Readers` Digest" tells SHOWBIZ TONIGHT that Jolie credits Pitt with successfully slowing down the formerly fast-living actress. And Jolie is now revealing that it was seeing Pitt with her first adopted child Maddux that convinced her to have a biological child with him.
GRANT: She said that when she and Brad got together, she had told Brad she was fully prepared never to have a biological child. But then she saw him with Maddux and realized that he was a great father and it wasn`t going to make any difference whether their children were biological or adopted. And she said to Brad, let`s go for it. Let`s try for a biological child.
ANDERSON: Now that they`ve since adopted two more children, Jolie tells "Reader`s Digest" that she and Pitt both plan to have more kids, both biological and adopted. But despite the growing family, Jolie says, don`t expect a wedding ceremony any time soon.
JOLIE: I don`t know if I`m good at marriage. I`m thinking I`m really good at relationships. There`s no big kind of conspiracy behind our decision not to. It`s just been -- I think we`re two people who -- we are two people who have been married before. And our focus when we got together was family, and we are legally bound to our children. And that seems to be the most important thing.
It didn`t matter to me as much as how somebody committed to me. But it mattered a great deal to me if they committed to my child.
ANDERSON: Now, it seems every other week brings a new round of tabloid headlines announcing that Jolie and Pitt are splitting up. Meg Grant of "Readers` Digest" tells SHOWBIZ TONIGHT that Jolie isn`t stressing about it too much.
GRANT: Her response was simply that she and Brad don`t pay attention to it unless it`s in the "New York Times."
ANDERSON: It seems with this extraordinary interview, Jolie portrayed her famous family as, well, ordinary.
GRANT: We asked how she and brad find time to be alone, and she came right out and said, you know, that`s our dilemma. And we talk over the swing set and sometimes we put the kids in front of the TV with popcorn and go run to the room and lock the door. I mean it was just like any other young couple in love with a lot of small children and not a lot of time.
Well, by the sound of it, they`re like any other family and not like any other family. But family is everything.
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ANDERSON: In the interview, Angelina also talks about dealing with the death of her mother and playing widow of Daniel Pearl, the "Wall Street Journal" reporter kidnapped and murdered by radical Islamic terrorists in Pakistan in her upcoming movie "A Mighty Heart."
HAMMER: Hey Paris Hilton, listen up. Might have good news for you tonight. You see, it turns out there`s actually a pretty good chance Paris is not going to have to serve her full 45-day jail sentence for violating her probation for driving with a suspended license. The Los Angeles County Sherrif`s Office says their jails are just bursting at seams. If Paris behaves herself while she is in jail, she actually could end up serving just half the sentence.
Yes, a lot of people not happy about this. Joining us from New York, celebrity journalist David Caplan, from Hollywood, investigative journalist Jane Velez-Mitchell, also the author of this new book, "Secrets Can Be Murder." It`s due out this summer. Jane, David, it`s very upsetting news to me tonight. I`m not happy about this at all. What is the deal? Why could this possibly happen, Jane?
JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST: Well, I know you`re crushed, A.J. The fact is there are all sorts of variables the authorities can play with and one of them is good behavior, god forbid. Yes, she could actually get a day of credit for time served for every day that she serves with good behavior. Of course that`s a big if. Good behavior can be a problem for her.
Beyond that, as you mentioned, there`s the over-crowding issue. So non-violent inmates often serve just a fraction of their sentence, sometimes 10 percent, which would take her down to four or five days. Then there`s the Michelle Rodriguez factor, the former "Lost" star, who went in for a probation violation, very similar circumstances, literally served hours and was released after a few hours.
HAMMER: You say non-violent. Does violent attitude count, Jane? Is that not falling into the category here?
MITCHELL: It should.
HAMMER: We can`t jut putter her in shackles, chain her to the jail cell bars? All right. If this actually happens, David, one of the concerns that I think may be the people within government out there in California are having is that might be sending the wrong message. I don`t think this would happen because of preferential treatment, but it maybe perceived that way.
DAVID CAPLAN, CELEBRITY JOURNALIST: Absolutely, I mean, I think if she does get out early because of overcrowding, that`s really an issue that`s not specific to Paris Hilton. But if she gets out early, everyone is going to say, wait a sec. Why is she getting special treatment? Because again, she could have gotten 90 days, she`s only getting 45. So feel, you know, the L.A. County, the jail system there, they have their hands tied.
So I think we`re going to see Paris Hilton definitely be there fore a couple of weeks and she would be released for good behavior. But I really don`t think --
HAMMER: Wait a minute, did you just say she would be released for good behavior.
CAPLAN: I think she`ll be released for good behavior. I think she`ll behave.
HAMMER: I`ve got to tell you, I don`t know about that. You know, saying Paris Hilton and good behavior in the same sentence feels unnatural to me.
CAPLAN: You know what? I think we`re going to see something like how we saw when Martha Stewart was in jail. Paris, she`s going to go to jail, and all of the other prison inmates, despite all the reports of threats that she`s getting from inmates there, like we`re going to beat you up when you get here. With a lot of these inmates, Paris is going to be the popular girl in prison. They are all going to want to be friends with her.
They`re going to hang out when she has her one hour of freedom and they`re going to make ponchos together.
HAMMER: I was going to say, what do you think, they`re going to sit around and knit together? Jane, is this woman capable of good behavior, given what we have seen her do over her entire non-career?
MITCHELL: I was going to say, A.J., those other inmates will be planning how they`re going to sell their stories when they get out.
HAMMER: No kidding.
MITCHELL: I don`t think we can assume that she`s going to exhibit good behavior. This is not Martha Stewart. This is not a polite, young lady who does everything by the book. Her stock in trade is rule breaking and defiance and she`s going into this environment where she has to follow all of these rules, and there`s rules about everything, how you brush your teeth, what you wear, when you get out of jail into the common area, when you have to go back.
This is going to be extraordinarily tough for her. The funny thing is because she`s focused so much attention on this whole issue, how much time she`s going to serve, authorities, who probably consider her a headache, would love to get her out in a couple of hours, may feel politically they have to keep her in longer.
HAMMER: I hope they do feel that way. It`s interesting because the only little bit of remorse that we`ve actually seen is when she was leaving her lawyers` office. Her lawyer probably said, you know what? You better shape up, because you`re going to jail and you better start behaving yourself. She`s not going to have those people there with her in jail to say continue to behave.
David, I want to bring up something else that happened today. As if Paris doesn`t have enough drama in her life. We learned that her dad, Rick Hilton, has checked into a Cedars-Sinai Hospital, apparently some kind of a non-life threatening surgery. They`re not saying exactly what this is for. But do you think maybe this is going to turn the tide for Paris and maybe people will start feeling sorry for her?
CAPLAN: You know, I really don`t, because nature of what he`s going into the hospital for is that he`s only going to be there for four or five days. So by the time he`s out of the hospital, she`s still going to have a couple more weeks to really mull over going to the prison. So we`re going to forget about that the dad was in the hospital. And the fact that one, Paris did not go with him to the hospital and that two, he`s only there for four or five days, and they said it`s not life threatening. It clearly shows it`s nothing that serious.
HAMMER: Jane Velez-Mitchell, ten seconds, do you think that she is finally facing the reality of what she`s facing.
MITCHELL: Well, she said she`s ready to face the consequence as long as she doesn`t have to go to jail. So I think she`s struggling with that issue. She certainly hasn`t been treated more harshly than others who are often put down on cement on the sidewalk and spread-eagled when they`re pulled over. Thank god that didn`t happen to her, for a lot of news.
HAMMER: All right guys, have a good weekend, despite the news. Celebrity journalist David Caplan, investigative journalist Jane Velez- Mitchell, I thank you both.
ANDERSON: All right, we`ll, I`ve seen stars with some good plastic surgery jobs and then there are the totally freaky plastic surgeries.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: More and more people are getting face-lifts, especially actresses in their 30`s.
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ANDERSON: Tonight, I`m revealing whose nips and tucks are terrific and whose, well, are just plain terrible. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT investigates when bad nose and boob jobs happen to good stars. Some of that work should be rated R, you know, for rotten.
And speaking of movie ratings. Tonight, I`ve got a smoking debate over smoking. A shocking new move that is going to change the way you watch movies forever.
HAMMER: Also Brooke, speaking of shocking, I could not believe this, a couple of big radio stars talking about raping Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, First Lady Laura Bush and Queen Elizabeth. It is outrageous. That is coming up at 31 past the hour.
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HAMMER: Welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. I`m A.J. Hammer in New York. You know that saying that all publicity is good publicity. Well, if your name is Britney Spears, you may not feel that way. "Forbes Magazine" out with its list of the most overexposed celebrities. Britney on top of that list; 72 percent of people surveyed in this think that she is overexposed. That`s compared to 54 percent five years ago.
Bet you can guess who else made the cut, soon-to-be jailbird Paris Hilton not far behind. And then it`s former Mr. Britney Spears, Kevin Federline. What does he do anyway? Our favorite couch jumper Tom Cruise, followed by Paris`s on again, off again best friend forever Nicole Richie.
ANDERSON: Tonight, we`ve got a smoking hot debate and I do mean smoking. Her`s the question, is seeing smoking on screen at the movies right up there with seeing sex and violence? Maybe. The movie industry is now going to take smoking into account when determining which movie should be rated R.
With us tonight from Washington, Ellen Vargyas, who`s the general council of the American Legacy Foundation, which helps people quit smoking, and from Oakland, California, Jim Steyer, who`s the CEO of Common Sense Media. They keep an eye on the media for kids and families. Jim, Ellen, great to see you both.
Jim, I want to start with you. What do you think, should any movie that features smoking automatically be rated R?
JIM STEYER, CEO, COMMON SENSE MEDIA: Well, I definitely think, Brooke, that this is a big deal for kids and kids health. It`s the first time that the MPA has taken on the issue of smoking in movies, which all of us who care about kids know is a big deal in terms of why teens start smoking in the first place.
Whether or not every single movie that contains smoking should be rated R I think is still open to debate. But the information needs to be out there and the MPA better be tough in the way they inform parents and other consumers about this, and make it clear that this is a big issue, just like sex and violence are to millions of families.
ANDERSON: And just to clarify, the MPAA has in the past looked at underaged smoking in movies. Now it`s going to look at adult smoking and based on these new regulations, not every movie featuring smoking will necessarily be given an R rating, but it will apply to those films that glamorize smoking, that pervasiveness will also be taken into account.
Ellen, what do you think? Do you think regardless of the context, it should be slapped with an R rating.
ELLEN VARGYAS, AMERICAN LEGACY FOUNDATION: I think what the MPAA is going to do is not going nearly far enough. It`s a very tepid first step. The problem is very simple; 80 percent of people who smoke start when they`re teenagers. We know from research that smoking in the movies recruits nearly 400,000 kids every year to start smoking. And of these kids who become smokers, one in three are going to die prematurely from tobacco-related disease. The MPAA needs to go further and take serious steps to get smoking out of kid-rated movies.
ANDERSON: We do know that kids are very, very impressionable and may see those characters on screen smoking and think, hey, that`s cool. I want to try that. But, Jim, I want to ask you, where do you eventually draw the line? Do you stop showing scenes where people are gorging themselves on unhealthy food? Do you stop showing scenes where people are getting drunk, abusing alcohol? Is there a danger that this could boarder on censorship.
STEYER: No, I don`t think that there`s a danger that this is going to border on censorship, Brooke. I actually think this is an enormous public health issue for kids and teens across the country. There`s clear links between what`s in movies and other media and kids starting to smoke and continuing smoke. So I don`t that this is an issue where we`re going to have to draw the line. There`s going to be some sort of slippery slope into every issue.
This is a big deal. I actually agree with Ellen that the proof`s going to be in the pudding. The MPAA better really take this seriously and not just do it in a watered down way. This is a big public health issue for kids and I`m glad to see the MPAA is finally taking it on. And the proof is going to be in the pudding, as you say.
ANDERSON: Well, Ellen, you say they`re not taking it far enough. How far do you think it should be taken? Should smoking be banned from, say, TV shows? I think I know the answer to the question.
VARGYAS: Well, I think that the answer is that kids should not be exposed to smoking in any of these mediums. We also think that the MPAA can take additional steps to adjust the R rating. I`m very concerned about brand imagery in movies, cigarette brand imagery. These are very powerful brands.
ANDERSON: Well, let me ask you this. Also powerful imagery in movies are the sex and the violence, which Jim brought up. I want to ask you both to rate in order what you think, from the worst to the least worst, of what kids can see in movies, between those three, sex, violence and smoking. Ellen?
VARGYAS: Well, I think the real question is where the evidence shows that kids behavior is linked to what they see in movies. We know that smoking in movies is a powerful influencer on kids to start smoking. I honestly don`t know where the research is on the others.
ANDERSON: Jim, can you rate them?
STEYER: You know what? I give them all a one, a one, and a one, Brooke, and that`s not a cop-out.
ANDERSON: You think they`re all equally pretty bad and influential?
STEYER: They`re very influential. As a parent of four myself, these are a big deal for kids in every way. And they`re influenced in serious health ways. But the thing that I do think is important is context. And the tricky thing is, context does matter when talking about the way violence is portrayed. And smoking in period pieces can be something that you can --
ANDERSON: Sorry to interrupt, but Jim Steyer form Common Sense Media, Ellen Vargyas from the American Legacy Foundation, thank you both for your insight.
HAMMER: Coming up, a smoking hot controversy that`s got people everywhere outraged. A couple of big-time radio hosts in serious hot water after talking about raping Condoleezza Rice, First Lady Laura Bush and Queen Elizabeth. It`s just terrible. That`s coming up at 31 past the hour.
ANDERSON: Also, Demi Moore opening up like never before. She`s revealing her emotional regrets about raising her three daughters. Really powerful what she says.
Also this --
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I need to get my body into top shape and this is what I need to do. And unfortunately, the surgery came out terrible.
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ANDERSON: Star plastic surgery successes and nightmares, coming up.
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ANDERSON: Demi Moore opening up like never before about being a mother. She`s saying some pretty emotional things too. As part of a special Mother`s Day episode on Oprah, Maria Schriver, Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger`s wife, asked the 45-year-old actress about her biggest regret in raising her daughters.
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DEMI MOORE, ACTRESS: I wish I would have allowed them to see me weak more often, because I think that it limited their permission to be weak or vulnerable, not that I didn`t feel it or have it, but the armor that I carried from kind from being more in a survivor mode so much of my life, I think that I so just wanted to always convey that they are safe and that they, you know, were protected and that they had strength around them, that I think in a certain way that it -- didn`t work out exactly as I would have imagined. I think it`s more important that they see all of the colors, that they see you falling down and picking yourself back up.
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ANDERSON: Remember, those are the kids she had wither ex, Bruce Willis. Demi now married, of course, to Ashton Kutcher. Well, Demi Moore looks great. But I can`t say the same for some stars who have gone under the knife. Tonight I`ve got plastic surgery success stories and some nightmares.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: More and more people are getting face-lifts, especially actresses in their 30s.
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ANDERSON: Tonight, I`m investigating the nips and tucks that are terrific and the others, which are just plain, well, terrible. I`ve also got Brooke Shields marching on to Washington, D.C. I`ll tell you why she`s speaking out about a horrible illness and why she`s demanding laws to be changed.
HAMMER: I`ve got to tell you, I`m so outraged over this. Two of the most notorious radio hosts out there; they`re in a huge controversial because they talked about raping Condoleezza Rice, First Lady Laura Bush and Queen Elizabeth. It is disgusting. We`ll fill you in next on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT.
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HAMMER: Welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT for Friday night. It`s 30 minutes past the hour. I`m A.J. Hammer in New York.
ANDERSON: I`m Brooke Anderson in Hollywood. You are watching TV`s most provocative entertainment news show.
HAMMER: You know, Brooke, like that Cher song, some stars are singing "If I could turn back time" It turns out, they are really trying to.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: More and more people are getting face-lifts, especially actresses in their 30s.
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HAMMER: Star plastic surgery successes, there are some, and nightmares, there are many. Tonight, whose nips and tucks are terrific and whose, well, are just plain terrible?
ANDERSON: And A.J., some terrible things have been said and written about the Tom Cruise/Katie Holmes marriage. But what`s really going on? Wait till you hear from somebody who should know; a famous actress who knows Tom and Katie very well and she takes us inside.
HAMMER: But first tonight, shock jocks at it again. This time, notorious deejays Opie and Anthony are the ones under fire for a violent, sexual comedy skit on their XM satellite radio show. You will not believe the people they targeted in this skit, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, first Lady Laura Bush and the Queen of England. Now, Their remarks were so disgusting, so vile, we actually can`t air most of it, and frankly, we`d rather not. But just to give you an idea of what they said, here`s a little snippet.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I just imagine the horror in Condoleezza Rice`s face --
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When she realizes what`s going on.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: As you were just like holding her down and (bleep).
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HAMMER: Having a big ol` time, laughing away, talking about sexually assaulting Condoleezza Rice there. It only got worse from there. And they were saying the same things about Laura Bush and Queen Elizabeth, as I mentioned.
Joining me tonight from New York, radio host Curtis Sliwa of "Curtis & Kuby Show". And from Nashville, Carol Swain, professor of political science and law at Vanderbilt University.
Carol, Curtis, I appreciate you both being with us.
Curtis, you and I are on the same page as far as First Amendment goes, Freedom of Speech, we`re both big advocates for it. But I`ve got to tell you I was completely outraged, overwhelmingly disgusted I found what they said completely reprehensible, in this skit that they labeled as comedy.
What do you think, Curtis?
CURTIS SLIWA, HOST, "CURTIS & KUBY SHOW": There was nothing comedic there. They`re a bunch of sick freaks with all of the furniture upstairs rearranged in the wrong rooms. And if you notice, they`re laughing like a pack of jackals, like hyenas there. And talking about committing a crime. You know, it`s all guys there.
You think guys walk around -- do you or I walk around 3:00 in the morning, and say, gee, I wonder if some guy will jump out of the bushes and rape me. We don`t even fear that. Yeah, we fear getting shot, stabbed, robbed, killed, but not raped.
And then to basically say this is comedic? There`s nobody laughing about this. And XM, what`s next snuff radio? Where they actually have a live rape on radio, or maybe a live killing in order to exploit this?
That`s why the FCC is now almost going to be forced to come in and regulate this free form of radio, that basically had the dispensation and the exemption that we terrestrial radio don`t have.
HAMMER: Yeah, yeah, but Curtis, do you want the government stepping in or do you just want some corporate accountability, and personal accountability? Because I agree with you, like, who the heck was laughing at this? Who the heck did they think would be amused by something like this?
SLIWA: You would think that XM would have suspended these guys, or given them a verbal beat down. Because I`m left to feeling like I`ve got to go into that studio, and Brooklyn-style drag`em out give them a physical beat down. That`s how bad it as hit me. This isn`t a matter of free speech. It`s a matter of actually advocate committing a crime. Rape, the most horrible crime that a woman can suffer from.
HAMMER: Of course, this is coming in a sensitive time just weeks after Don Imus was fired for his racially charged comments about the Rutgers` women`s basketball team.
Carol, how you think what they said compares to what Imus said?
CAROL SWAIN, POLITICAL SCIENCE & LAW PROFESSOR, VANDERBILT UNIV.: They`re not comparable. To me what they have said puts all women at risk, especially women that are in positions of power, because it`s suggests that it`s appropriate to deal with a powerful woman by degrading her by rape. And so I think it`s dangerous. They`re not comparable. It should not be protected by Free Speech in the same way.
HAMMER: And a lot of people are saying, because they`re not on commercial radio, it`s sort of a different ballgame here.
SWAIN: I disagree.
HAMMER: Well, this is a subscription service. Curtis, let me ask you about this, you`re on commercial radio every single day. You are regulated as to what you can say by the government. These guys obviously felt -- or why told -- that they are free to say whatever they want.
SLIWA: Yeah, but you better believe that XM has limits. I would bet you have a morals clause. Every entertainer, every performer, every persona, has a morals clause. And look at CBS, how they except themselves. They say even thought that`s our product, they said it in that format, not our format. But hey, it`s the same, granted it`s Opie & Dopey. Everybody in the market place knows whether they`re listening to it on satellite or on CBS terrestrial radio, it`s the same Opie & Dopey.
So, how did CBS suddenly say, well, we`re going to present the product but you have to assume they would never say anything like that in this format. That is nonsense.
HAMMER: I couldn`t agree with you more. And of course, XM has come out and responded, Opie & Anthony, themselves, also said they were sorry.
I want to read from their statement. They said: "We apologize to the public officials for the comments we made on our XM show. We take very seriously the responsibility that comes with our creative freedom, and regret any offense that this segment has caused."
Carol, I don`t sow where they had a choice but to at least come out right away and say something. But what do you think, should they be canned?
SWAIN: I think they should be held to a higher standard than Don Imus. Certainly they should be canned because, again, I believe that it puts all powerful women at risk. It says rape is an acceptable way to deal with a woman in power that you dislike.
HAMMER: You think XM was crazy to hire them in the first place? Same guys fired from CBS radio, those years ago, for doing something very outrageous. They broadcast a couple having sex in St. Patrick`s Cathedral. How could XM not have thought that this wasn`t going happen again?
SLIWA: Wait a second, I have got -- in this case say -- I don`t think anyone -- even with a psychotropic flashback could ever have imagined these degenerates would have done anything like this, sex at St. Patrick`s Cathedral compared to this -- is nothing.
I would say this, the way you hurt Opie & Dopey and XM is, you force them, you say, you are going to fund rape crises centers all over this country for all of the nameless, faceless women who don`t -- are not powerful, are not well-know, who get raped on a regular basis. How many women are going to end up getting sexually assaulted because some cretins with chromosome damage out there listening to you -- these males with their tongues down to their ankles -- suddenly are going think, hey, it`s all right, it`s cool, it`s hip, it`s happening?
HAMMER: I hope they put their money where your mouth is right now. Thanks to Curtis Sliwa, thanks so much.
SWAIN: Thank you.
HAMMER: Host of the "Curtis & Kuby Show". Carol Swain, professor of political science and law at Vanderbilt University.
SWAIN: Thank you.
HAMMER: I appreciate your time tonight.
ANDERSON: More many women having a baby is a blissful experience but there can be a darker side for moms who suffer from postpartum depression. Brooke Shields has long been vocal about here painful experience after the birth of her daughter, and wrote about it in her book, "Down Came The Rain". She was on Capitol Hill, in Washington, today to get something called the Mother`s Act passed in Congress.
It`s just heartbreaking to hear what she told Congress and a live TV audience about what happened to her.
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BROOKE SHIELDS, POST-PARTUM AWARENESS ACTIVIST: I suffered acutely from postpartum depression. The biggest tragedy of all of this was that I did not know that I had postpartum depression. I did know that I wanted to die. I did know that I was incapable of holding, or looking at, or kissing or smelling, or singing to my perfect, tiny, little baby.
I just couldn`t fathom that I would have something called postpartum depression. I -- it just wasn`t going to happen to me, because I wasn`t going to be that person. That was ridiculous.
I did know that if I stayed too close to my baby, that I would start to feel weak in the knees and I would start to get dizzy, start to faint. I knew that I cried all the time. I still didn`t know I had postpartum depression. I knew that I was beginning to seriously plan ways that I could disappear, quietly, but permanently.
What I did not know was the very thing that could have spared me and my entire family irreparable damage and deep, deep misery.
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ANDERSON: Brooke is looking to change all of that. The Mother`s Act would involve educating, detecting and treating postpartum depression.
HAMMER: Brooke, I can finally tell you once and for all whether or not it`s true that Kelly Clarkson had a knock-down, drag-out battle with her music boss, who reportedly disliked her album so much he basically wanted to toss it in the garbage, not ever put it out. The reason I can tell you is because I spoke with Kelly today and she sets the record straight for us, coming up. We`ll also have this:
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I need to get my body into top shape. This is what I needed to do. Unfortunately, everybody wanted me to do it (ph), the surgery came out terrible.
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ANDERSON: Plastic surgery gone bad. From Tara Reid to Pamela Anderson and other stars, a kind of revealing special report about the good, the bad, the sometimes very ugly side of plastic surgery in Hollywood.
HAMMER: And yeah, just like you, I`ve heard plenty of ugly things all about Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes` marriage. Is it going to last? But what is really going on? We will hear from someone who should know. It`s a famous actress who knows Tom and Katie very well, that`s coming up when SHOWBIZ TONIGHT for Friday night returns in a moment.
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ANDERSON: Welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. TV`s most provocative entertainment news show. I`m Brooke Anderson in Hollywood.
Tonight, stars under the knife. There are some Hollywood stars who would kill to turn back the hands of time. Short of that, they seem to be turning to plastic surgery to jump start careers. But for some stars surgery didn`t turn out the way they planned. When bad jobs happen to good people, it`s our SHOWBIZ TONIGHT special report.
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ANDERSON (voice over): In Hollywood, beauty is everything.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You look great.
ANDERSON: But in Hollywood, beauty and youth, for that matter, can come from a little help from your neighborhood plastic surgeon. But whose done well, and who should have left well enough alone? SHOWBIZ TONIGHT`s got you covered.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE, SINGER: This is, this is me.
ANDERSON: That`s Ashlee Simpson back in 2004. This is Ashlee now. Something looks different. Is it the nose? The chin? The lips? Ashlee won`t say. But she did recently tell "Harper`s Bizarre" magazine that she has never been insecure about her looks and that plastic surgery is, quote, "a personal choice".
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s never looked hotter.
ANDERSON: Unlike Ashlee, Kiss bassist Gene Simmons and his longtime girlfriend, former "Playboy" Playmate Shannon Tweed have put it all out there, and we mean all, when it comes to their surgeries.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK, Gene, we`ll go ahead make some drawings on your face.
ANDERSON: Gene and Shannon, both in their 50s, decided to document their his and her face-lifts on their reality show.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`re hot.
ANDERSON: When they came straight to the SHOWBIZ TONIGHT studios they couldn`t stop talking about it.
HAMMER: Why do the surgery?
SHANNON TWEED, FMR. "PLAYBOY" PLAYMATE: Because I had a couple of extra chins.
GENE SIMMONS, KISS: It was sort of like, what the hell, throw caution to the wind. Throw your shoulder -- throw your face over your shoulder and see what happens.
ANDERSON: Doctor Frank Ryan did the nipping and tucking for both Gene and Shannon. Unlike most of his celebrity clients, who use the secret backdoor to his offices, Gene and Shannon just walked right in. Dr. Ryan tells SHOWBIZ TONIGHT that in Hollywood, it`s not just the older stars who come looking for his expertise.
DR. FRANK RYAN, PLASTIC SURGEON: Surgery in younger people is getting more and more popular. Of course things like breast augmentation and rhinoplasty has been popular in younger age groups. But more and people are getting face-lifts in their 30s.
ANDERSON: Enter comedienne Kathy Griffin, she`s definitely not shy when it comes to the laundry list of work she`s had done. Listen to what she told CNN`s Larry King.
LARRY KING, "LARRY KING LIVE": Have you had cosmetic surgery?
KATHY GRIFFIIN, COMEDIANNE: Oh, yeah, absolutely.
KING: What have you had done?
GRIFFIN: A had a brow lift, which where they take your eyebrows and put them on a completely different part of your head, and you look months younger. And I had -- what have I had? A lower face-lift, where they only do it to here. I don`t know. I said stop at the ears.
KING: Have you had botox, collagen.
GRIFFIN: Yes, all of that.
SINGER: Make me over!
ANDERSON: Rock star Courtney Love has made just as many headlines for her ever-changing appearance, as she has for her music, or her off-the- wall behavior.
COURTNEY LOVE, SINGER: All right.
ANDERSON: Love went from this, to this. But fake lips, a new nose, and an enhanced figure were enough. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT can tell you Love recently pledged to give up plastic surgery in a list of New Year`s resolutions she posted on the Internet.
That didn`t last long, though. A few months later, Love had to admit to having her lips reversed. The weight loss, she says, didn`t require a doctor.
JILL DOBSON, EDITOR-AT-LARGE, "STAR" MAGAZINE: Some celebrities are very open when they have plastic surgery. Other celebrities, especially those who seem to lose lots of weight, usually keep quiet about the surgery that may have gone into it. A lot of people think maybe Courtney Love had surgery to lose all of the weight she`s lost recently, but she denies it.
ANDERSON: It`s easier to deny a surgery when it comes to a dramatic weight loss. But how about when it`s, um, how do we say this, a little more obvious?
Breast augmentation can be a great way to kick start a career in Hollywood. Just ask Pam Anderson, Anna Nicole Smith, and Carmen Electra.
CARMEN ELECTRA: You can`t judge someone for their choices. But I think that if it`s something that you want to do, and you feel good about it, it has a lot to just dealing with yourself and your own self- confidence; and sort of figuring out, you know, how to deal with life.
ANDERSON: But bigger breasts don`t always mean bigger bucks.
TARA REID: You have to look a certain way. It`s something that, you know, I was thinking about for a while.
ANDERSON: Tara Reid had to fix her botched job in 2006, which she says kept her from getting work.
REID: I needed to get my body into top shape. This is what I needed to do. Unfortunately, everything that they wanted me to do, the surgery came out terrible.
ANDERSON: And speaking of terrible, you just can`t help but feel sorry for Kenny Rogers.
KENNY ROGERS, SINGING: Know when to walk away, know when to run.
ANDERSON: Kenny gambled on what he thought was a routine eye lift. And the results, well, let`s just say not so good. Kenny later told "People" magazine that he, quote, "went a little too far".
Also in the little too far category -- Michael Jackson, Joan Rivers, and Melanie Griffith. Why do so many stars go under the knife? The answer, according to Dr. Ryan, is simple.
RYAN: I think with the entertainment industry, to be honest with you, I think, we, as the public, hold these personalities to a higher standard. How many times do you see a photo of a celebrity in a tabloid, with maybe a 60-year-old man with kind of a beer belly? You say, my god, what happened?
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ANDERSON: And the most popular type of plastic surgery in Hollywood? Breast augmentation.
HAMMER: And now, "Making it work". This is SHOWBIZ TONIGHT continuing coverage of stars who make relationships work in Hollywood, and beyond. Tonight, "King of Queens" star Leah Remini, revealing the secrets of how she makes her marriage work. And get this, according to her it comes down to two simple urges.
She`s also really good friends and with Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes. Leah is a Scientologist, just like Tom. We got Leah to set the record straight only TomKat`s marriage, which the tabloids have insisted over the past few weeks is in deep trouble.
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LEAH REMINI, ACTRESS: You know, they`re a happy couple. They`re a great couple. They`re great parents. And you know, I just think it`s something I don`t really waste time on, nor do they, nor should they. They have a beautiful family. You know, I read things and I go, Oh, God bless them. They have their family around them. They have their sister -- you know, there`s mom. I love that.
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HAMMER: Leah is also in love. She`s been married for about four years to her husband, Angelo. They also have a little girl. When we asked Leah just what the secret to a happy marriage is she broke it down for us really simply -- and really funny.
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REMINI: I think the thing you have to remember with the men is they just need to eat and have sex, and if you just do those things, you`ll be OK. You know, give them sex once in a while, when their cranky, you know that`s the time to give it up for a minute, you know -- or two. You know?
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HAMMER: I don`t know. I didn`t hear any mention of beer or football there. By the way, check out Leah in a very cool online web series. What you can do is submit your ideas and she`ll act it out. You`ll see that at Inthemotherhood.com.
You`ve heard the rumors, you`ve heard the buzz, tonight, only SHOWBIZ TONIGHT is going to reveal once and for all to you whether it is true that Kelly Clarkson had a knock-down, drag-out battle with one of the most powerful chiefs in the music business, who supposedly disliked her new album so much he wanted to toss into the garbage.
I spoke with Kelly Clarkson today. She set the record straight. You`ll hear what she told me in just a moment. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT is coming right back.
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HAMMER: Can you believe it`s been five years since "American Idol" made Kelly Clarkson a household name? She has just announced a new tour in conjunction with her new album called, "My December".
But the month of May has been clouded with talk, everywhere, that she and her record label owner, Clive Davis, had a knock-down fight so bad he reported wanted the album destroyed because he was so dissatisfied with it.
SHOWBIZ TONIGHT getting to the bottom of this story. I want you to listen to what Kelly told me, today, about this fight.
KELLY CLARKSON, SINGER: Every record has been a test of patience and strength. Not just this record, every record. And I don`t mind that, that`s why you`ve never heard me complain about it. I`m not even complaining about it now. I like working hard for something I believe in. That`s what make you work hard, I think.
But every time, you know, there`s a lot of cooks in the kitchen. Obviously, everybody wants this to be successful, as every album. But it`s always a test, every single time that we do a project together. So, but at the end of the day, I`d rather have someone that`s fighting me on something than being a yes person. So you know, all it does is build my character and makes me really work hard for something. So I don`t mind it. But it is a test every time.
HAMMER: Sure, but did it actually happen? Where Clive said, you know what, we`re not going to release this thing as scheduled?
CLARKSON: There was talk of that happening, so, yeah.
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HAMMER: There you go. But it`s all worked out. Kelly`s new album "My December" is coming out sooner than December, schedule for release on July 24th.
ANDERSON: It took a minute, but you got the answer, A.J.
All right, yesterday we asked you to vote on our SHOWBIZ TONIGHT question of the day. Is "Brit-Pack`s" public crash, is the party finally over for Britney, Paris and Lindsey? And 76 percent of you say, yes; 24 percent of you say, no. And here are a couple of e-mails we received.
Phyllis from North Carolina writes: "I can`t imagine any sane parent wanting to have their daughters exposed to any of them."
Angie from Georgia says: "It is so nice to finally see the likes of Paris Hilton and her posse are getting a huge taste of reality."
HAMMER: Let`s find out what`s coming up on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT.
This weekend, between the rehab, the partying, the box office bombs, is Lindsey Lohan`s career in deep trouble?
And then, on Monday, did you hear what Oprah and Gayle did today? What about what Britney said. Stars we know so well, and it`s amazing how much the public knows about their intimate moves. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT investigates how we feel we know the stars` personal lives like our own.
That is it for SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. Have a great weekend. I`m A.J. Hammer in New York.
ANDERSON: Thanks for watching, everybody. I`m Brooke Anderson in Hollywood.
Glenn Beck is coming next right after the latest headlines from "CNN Headline News." Keep it right here.
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