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Rihanna`s Brand-New Revelations; Jesse James and Sandra Bullock Strike Back Against the Porn Star; Sharon Osbourne Lashes Out at Susan Boyle; The Most Provocative Celebrity of the Week
Aired November 06, 2009 - 23:00 ET
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A.J. HAMMER, CO-HOST: Right now, on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, Rihanna`s unbelievable brand-new revelations about the night Chris Brown beat her. In an interview seen nationwide tonight, Rihanna gives graphic horrific details of what happened. The physical pain she felt -
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RIHANNA, SINGER: I was battered. I was bleeding. I was swollen in my face.
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HAMMER: The emotional pain she felt -
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RIHANNA: There was no person when I looked to him.
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HAMMER: Plus, Rihanna reveals if she still loves Chris Brown.
Sandra and Jesse strike back against the porn star. Tonight, Sandra Bullock`s husband with a shocking warning to his porn star ex-wife, "Back off. Leave Sandra alone," the custody battle over his daughter. Plus, the dramatic on-camera new porn star interview that you will see here on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT.
Is Sandra Bullock the most provocative celebrity of the week? Is it Rihanna? What about Josh Duhamel? Tonight, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT names the most provocative celebrity of the week.
TV`s most provocative entertainment news show starts right now.
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HAMMER: Hello. I`m A.J. Hammer, broadcasting tonight and every night from New York City.
BROOKE ANDERSON, CO-HOST: Hi there, everyone. I`m Brooke Anderson coming to you from Hollywood. And tonight, Rihanna`s beating tell-all.
HAMMER: Just moments ago, the nation watched as Rihanna told for the very first time the absolutely chilling details of what happened the night that Chris Brown beat her up. In the special that just aired on ABC, Rihanna revealed the disturbing story of how Chris Brown pounded her with his fists the night before the Grammys.
And let me tell you, anyone who had any doubts that maybe it wasn`t really so bad, that maybe, just maybe what we have been hearing may have been exaggerated, let me just say, listen for yourself. Because her terrifying story just revealed tonight made for big news breaking.
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RIHANNA: I was battered. I was bleeding and swollen in my face.
HAMMER (voice-over): We have all seen the pictures and heard secondhand reports about the vicious beating Rihanna suffered at the hands of her then-boyfriend, Chris Brown. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT can tell you nothing matches the chilling impact of hearing Rihanna describe it in her own words.
DIANE SAWYER, ANCHOR, "20/20": At one point, your mouth is filled with blood?
RIHANNA: Yes.
SAWYER: How did you think it was going to end?
RIHANNA: That`s all I kept thinking the whole time. When is it going to stop? When is it going to stop?
HAMMER: Rihanna told her horrific story to Diane Sawyer earlier tonight on ABC`s "20/20." "Good Morning America" showed portions of the interview this morning.
ERICKA SOUTER, "US MAGAZINE": Listen to her voice. It was shaking at times. You knew how painful this was for her to recount.
HAMMER: It all happened the night before the Grammy Awards this past February. The A-list couple was in Los Angeles attending the pre-Grammy parties.
RIHANNA: We had a blast that night.
HAMMER: But things took a violent turn. The two were driving in Brown`s rented Lamborghini when Rihanna says she saw a text message a woman had sent Chris Brown.
RIHANNA: I couldn`t take that. He kept lying to me and he couldn`t take that I wouldn`t drop it. It escalated into him being violent towards me. And it was ugly.
HAMMER: Ugly is an understatement. Police documents say that during the argument, Brown punched Rihanna, shoved her head against the window, bit her, placed her in a headlock and told her, quote, "Now, I`m really going to kill you."
RIHANNA: He had no soul in his eyes. Just blank. He was clearly blacked out. There was no person when I looked at him. My next option was to get out of the car and walk. Start walking - in a gown and a bloody face.
HAMMER: Rihanna was 20. Chris Brown was 19 at the time. They were the "it" couple of music.
RIHANNA: He was definitely my first big love.
HAMMER: Rihanna tells Diane Sawyer they fell for each other hard.
RIHANNA: The more in love we became, the more dangerous we became for each other.
HAMMER: There was a lot of public outrage when Rihanna briefly got back together with Chris after the beating. But tonight we heard her reveal that she soon ended things once and for all.
RIHANNA: He didn`t accept that very well. Obviously, he didn`t want us to be apart. But I knew I had to make a decision for me.
HAMMER: But in a startling revelation, Rihanna says she still loves Brown.
SAWYER: Do you hate him?
RIHANNA: No. I don`t hate him at all. I actually love and care about him. I want him to do well, have a great career, have a great life and grow up.
HAMMER: Even as Rihanna`s interview aired tonight, so did a brand-new interview with Brown. He told MTV how he looks back at that fateful night.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... how did you learn from your mistake? I need to help other people with this situation and (UNINTELLIGIBLE) become the person that you want to be.
HAMMER: But even as Chris Brown tries to put out his side of the story, all eyes are now on Rihanna who, after months of silence, is telling the world about the hell she went through.
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ANDERSON: Was it a good idea for Rihanna to reveal so many details about such a personal tragedy?
Joining me tonight in Hollywood, Tanika Ray, who is an entertainment journalist. And tonight, in New York, Marvet Britto who is a publicist and brand strategist.
Ladies, I personally think Rihanna`s brand-new interview that just aired tonight on ABC was astounding, especially her detailed account of how she was beaten by Chris Brown. It was just chilling.
Tanika, I think it was a great idea that Rihanna finally talk so specifically about the details of that night. What about you?
TANIKA RAY, ENTERTAINMENT JOURNALIST: I do think it was a great idea. I don`t think that we could have bought her album and listen to her songs without getting these details. It was just - we were way too curious about it.
However, the point of detail that she went to was a little shocking. We are not used to celebrities really opening themselves up like that and being so raw. I`m not sure what kind effect this is going to have on her career or Chris` but she definitely goes there. And I`m sure Chris is going to have an answer.
ANDERSON: Yes. She does go there. And I think to omit the ugly details would have, in a way, glossed over how serious the situation was. And what was so especially chilling to me was how Rihanna described Chris Brown that night. Watch how it was first revealed this morning on "Good Morning America".
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RIHANNA: He had no soul in his eyes. Just blank. He was clearly blacked out. There was no person when I looked at him.
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ANDERSON: Just very open and honest about the entire thing. Marvet, what`s your take on this? A good idea to reveal such gruesome details of the evening?
MARVET BRITTO, PUBLICIST, BRAND STRATEGIST: Chris Brown will have to work really hard to recover from this interview. She was revealing - and more importantly, we finally heard from the victim after nine long months.
She was humble, honest and you got the sense that she really didn`t want to speak to hurt Chris Brown. She loves him. But this will do Rihanna well and it`s very damaging for Chris Brown.
She told us what took place. And like Tanika said, everyone has been curious. We could not move on with her or Chris Brown unless we knew the details. And she confirmed everything we have been hearing for months.
ANDERSON: Absolutely. Now, we know the truth. We have been getting a lot of passionate phone calls to our "Showbiz on Call" phone lines about this.
Nicole from Louisiana doesn`t think that Rihanna should have spoken out about the beating. Listen.
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NICOLE, CALLER FROM LOUISIANA: I think she really needs to keep her personal business her business. She is an entertainer, but that has nothing to do with entertainment. We like her for singing. I don`t need to know her personal life. I still am Chris Brown fan.
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ANDERSON: Nicole says she is still a fan of Chris Brown. But Tanika, I think even when his ardent fans hear all of these disgusting details, how in the world can they still support him?
RAY: That`s what I`m questioning as well. Sherri Shepherd was on "The View" the other day saying that she bought her nieces tickets to his concert and that didn`t want to drill into them that he had done something bad.
I`m really not sure what mentality you have to have in order to still support a person that so openly - we all know the details - beats somebody else, especially a woman. So I`m not really sure where people are going with this as far as not understanding Rihanna. She has to come open with this.
And for her it`s cathartic. Everybody deserves a cathartic moment. And her private life being private? She would have loved to have done that if the photos weren`t released, if the 911 calls weren`t released. It would have been easy to do that. But as a celebrity, you do not have that option.
ANDERSON: Yes. She did not have that choice. And you mentioned Sherri Shepherd and what she told her fellow ladies of "The View." Let`s take a listen to that. She said that Brown deserves a chance to bounce back from all of this. Watch.
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SHERRI SHEPHERD, CO-HOST, "THE VIEW": My niece wants to go see Chris Brown and her three girl friends and I did buy tickets. I buy the tickets. We`ve had this discussion. We talked about it. We had the discussion.
And I feel he has said he is sorry. He said he is going to get help. He is paying the price for what he has done. I think he deserves another chance.
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ANDERSON: Marvet, what do you think? Can Chris Brown get past this when people hear Rihanna describe how brutal he was that night?
BRITTO: Chris Brown can get past this and should get past it. It`s just very damaging to finally hear from the victim. We`re hearing from Rihanna as to what took place. I mean, the timing of it is not the greatest. She is promoting an album. He`s promoting an album.
ANDERSON: Yes.
BRITTO: But the bottom line is we do need to hear it. And it`s not up to us to judge, but we need to know the details in order for both of them to (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
ANDERSON: Me, too. Personally I think he needs to really dig deep and do some soul searching before he is let off the hook.
RAY: Absolutely.
ANDERSON: Tonight, another domestic violence shocker has led to an "Oprah Show" showdown. Oprah got slammed for having soul singer Bebe Winans on her show because there are domestic violence charges against him.
And today, we learned that Oprah has done a remarkable and perhaps embarrassing 180. But is that fair? Tanika, Marvet, stay right there. We`re going to get to that hot debate in just a moment.
HAMMER: Also, tonight, the porn star speaks. Today, we got a hold of a brand-new interview with the porn star caught up in a nasty custody battle involving Sandra Bullock and her husband, Jesse James.
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JANINE LINDEMULDER, PORN STAR: Am I such a horrible person because of my tattoos and I was in porn that you can`t even sit down for a cup of coffee and let`s get on the same page?
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HAMMER: Also, a shocking warning from Jesse to his porn star ex-wife, "Back off and leave Sandra alone."
I know Sharon Osbourne is not shy. But boy, did she really rip into Susan Boyle.
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SHARON OSBOURNE, JUDGE, "AMERICA`S GOT TALENT": I like everybody to do well ...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
OSBOURNE: ... and even someone that looks like a slapped arse. It`s like, god bless her. She does look like a hairy (EXPLETIVE DELETED).
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HAMMER: Are you kidding me? Sharon, I love you, but that is just out of line. This is brand-new interview. It`s making news today and you have to hear the rest of it.
And Josh Duhamel and his alleged stripper scandal. Rihanna`s dramatic new confessions. And Sandra Bullock takes on the porn star. Tonight, who will SHOWBIZ TONIGHT name the most provocative celebrity of the week? This is SHOWBIZ TONIGHT on HLN.
Time now for the "SHOWBIZ News Ticker" - more stories from the SHOWBIZ TONIGHT newsroom making news right now.
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HAMMER: Welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. I`m A.J. Hammer in New York with Brooke Anderson in Hollywood. Tonight, "Oprah Show" showdown. Big Oprah news breaking today on two fronts. Oprah did an amazing and perhaps embarrassing about-face today after being called a domestic violence hypocrite.
Oprah has decided to edit Gospel singer Bebe Winans out of a show that she taped with him. Winans was arrested back in February for allegedly pushing his ex-wife around. Well, Oprah was slammed for having him on after she so passionately slammed Chris Brown for beating Rihanna.
Also breaking today, the startling news that we could be seeing the end of the "Oprah Winfrey Show" as we know it.
Joining me in Hollywood tonight is Tanika Ray, who is an entertainment journalist. With me, in New York, it`s Marvet Britto. She is a celebrity publicist and brand strategist.
All right. Gang, let`s begin with this explosive decision by Oprah today to now cut Bebe Winans from her show. Tanika, do you see this as an embarrassing about-face for Oprah?
RAY: You know, I don`t think anything she does is embarrassing. But yet, she did have to sort of swallow her pride a bit. He`s a friend of hers. And I`m sure she was trying to hook him up, but she has to stand on her principals and her morals and I think she did the right thing here.
HAMMER: Yes. What it came down is a lot of people, understandably, just didn`t get how Oprah can possible have Bebe on the show after her warning to women after Chris Brown got arrested for beating up Rihanna.
RAY: Yes. It was definitely a little conflict and a little bit contradictory. But you know, again, she didn`t know Chris Brown the way she knew Bebe. And I`m sure she was hoping that it would never come up. And once it did, she did the right thing. So I hope this goes away pretty fast.
HAMMER: And let`s take a look at that moment when Oprah said that on her show.
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OPRAH WINFREY, HOST, "THE OPRAH WINFREY SHOW": If a man hits you once, he will hit you again.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s right.
WINFREY: He will hit you again. I don`t care what his plea is.
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HAMMER: Marvet Britto, are you with me? Those words had to have been ringing in Oprah`s ears and she had to do something about it.
BRITTO: Absolutely. She did the right thing. We didn`t want to send mixed messages to her audience. She didn`t want to be viewed as a hypocrite. And I agree she knows Bebe a little bit more intimately than Chris Brown. He`s a friend.
So chances are she got the back story and just felt comfortable moving forward with that. But once she realized that, you know, she was facing criticism and people weren`t comfortable with it, she made the right decision and pulled him from the show.
HAMMER: Yes. I think it was a smart move and I think people really will let it go now.
Let`s move, though, to this startling report today that Oprah`s show, as we know it, could be moving to the cable network that will bear her name which is launching in 2011.
Now, Oprah`s people say that`s she`s going to make a final decision on whether or not that`s going to happen by the end of the year.
Tanika, I`ve got to ask you, point blank, would she have to be out of her mind to leave her nationally syndicated show for, you know, basically a cable start up?
RAY: No, she is not out of her mind. The only thing that`s constant is change. In order for her to evolve and get the network up and running, she`s got to make bold moves.
And if she has her show is syndicated, then who`s going to really go to the cable network and watch her? If she pulls her show off syndication, puts it on her network, that`s a big, huge boost for the beginning of her network. So I think it`s a wise decision.
HAMMER: Yes. Marvet, what are about you? I mean, certainly a bold move as Tanika said, but a wise move?
BRITTO: A wise move. Oprah has to build a network and why not do it leveraging her own brand equity. She has brand equity beyond anyone on television. So she will use that to build her own network.
HAMMER: Yes. And as we all know, if Oprah builds it, they will come.
RAY: Absolutely.
BRITTO: Absolutely.
HAMMER: Tanika Ray, Marvet Britto, I thank you both. So Brooke, as you well know, the "Showbiz on Call" phone lines keep on ringing. A lot of people are just so fired up about this brand-new Rihanna and Chris Brown interview - well both of them - that aired just today.
ANDERSON: That`s right, A.J. We`ve got a call into "Showbiz on Call" from Crystal in Canada who thinks Rihanna speaking out will definitely help others.
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CRYSTAL, CALLER FROM CANADA: The Rihanna thing - it doesn`t just affect women and young girls. It affects young boys, too. After what happened, my son started to react badly towards young girls. I believe that this may be changed around some of the boy`s ideas. I applaud her. I think what she is doing is wonderful. Thank you, Rihanna for standing up.
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ANDERSON: Thank you, Crystal.
HAMMER: And we urge you to call us at "Showbiz on Call" and let us know what you think about this or anything at all.
ANDERSON: The "Showbiz on Call" phone lines are open 24/7 - 1-888-SBT- BUZZ; that`s 1-888-728-2899.
Tonight, James Gandolfini goes totally soprano and it`s caught on tape. Why did James get really punchy with a total stranger? Forget about it.
Also this -
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OSBOURNE: I like everybody to do well ...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
OSBOURNE: ... and even someone that looks like a slapped arse. It`s like, god bless her. She does look like a hairy (EXPLETIVE DELETED).
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HAMMER: Wow. I am totally in shock. Sharon Osbourne going off on Susan Boyle there. This is just so wrong on so many levels. You have got to hear the rest of this interview which is making news today.
And it is time to name SHOWBIZ TONIGHT`s most provocative celebrity of the week. Josh Duhamel in the alleged stripper scandal. Rihanna`s startling interview just out tonight. Or Sandra Bullock fighting with a porn star. This is SHOWBIZ TONIGHT on HLN.
It`s time now for the "SHOWBIZ News Ticker" - more stories from the SHOWBIZ TONIGHT newsroom making news right now.
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HAMMER: Britney Spears putting on one of the sold-out concerts. But tonight, I can tell you there is a big, brand-new controversy over her "Circus" show.
Now, Brooke Anderson, I know you have seen Britney Spears in concert, right?
ANDERSON: It is true, A.J. I admit it. And it was a great show.
HAMMER: And you obviously know she does a lot of lip synching during the show, right?
ANDERSON: Obviously. But really, that`s OK by me. And I think that it`s OK with most of her fans.
HAMMER: It`s a big extravaganza, Brooke. But tonight, I can tell you there is a controversy down under about Brit`s lip synching. She just got to Australia for her "Circus" tour and one of the government officials there wants to make sure people know that Brit lip synchs.
This official may even push for disclaimers on tickets saying that part of the show will be pre-recorded. Hey, you know, not everybody realizes that and I think you actually deserve to know what you are in for.
ANDERSON: OK. Beyonce`s "Single Ladies" has been one of the most popular songs of the year. She did this great video, of course. But what`s really interesting is that Beyonce isn`t a single lady.
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ANDERSON: So when Beyonce just accepted the MTV of the Year Award for best video, she had to give props to the person that made her an un-single lady.
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BEYONCE, SINGER: There`s only one person I want to thank. That is Jay for putting a ring on it.
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ANDERSON: Beyonce, of course, is talking about her husband, rapper Jay-Z.
HAMMER: Well, a lot of you have been writing into our SHOWBIZ TONIGHT Facebook wall about the Carrie Prejean reported sex tape. So is the former Miss California USA a hypocrite? You know, she has been so pro-family values. And now this.
Kim S. offers, pretty interesting, her perspective here, writing, "Isn`t that a sex tape a prerequisite these days in order to be famous?"
Angela C. writes, "Sorry, Carrie. Sometimes things come back to bite you in the butt."
Remember, you can sign up for our Facebook and our Twitter breaking news alerts at CNN.com/ShowbizTonight.
ANDERSON: Now, the SHOWBIZ lineup. Here`s what`s coming up on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT.
Sandra and Jesse strike back against the porn star. Sandra Bullock`s husband has a shocking warning to his porn star ex-wife. Plus, the dramatic new on-camera porn star interview.
Also this -
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OSBOURNE: I like everybody to do well ...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
OSBOURNE: ... and even someone that looks like a slapped arse. It`s like, god bless her. She does look like a hairy (EXPLETIVE DELETED).
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ANDERSON: Wow. Sharon Osbourne just unloads on Susan Boyle. Is she way out of line here?
And SHOWBIZ TONIGHT names the most provocative celebrity of the week. Who will it be? Josh Duhamel for his alleged stripper sex scandal, Rihanna finally speaking out just tonight about her abuse, or Sandra Bullock`s porn star war? This is SHOWBIZ TONIGHT on HLN.
And now, the "SHOWBIZ News Ticker" - more stories from the SHOWBIZ TONIGHT newsroom making news right now.
TEXT: Elton John out of the hospital, he was suffering from the flue and an E. coli infection. Wal-Mart launches price war with Amazon and drops some DVD prices to $10.
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JIM MORET, CORRESPONDENT, "INSIDE EDITION": When Sandra Bullock and Jesse James claim you are a bad influence on your daughter, what do you say?
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HAMMER: Now, on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, Sandra Bullock versus the porn star. The porn star speaks as Sandra and her husband fight for custody of his daughter with his porn star ex-wife. A whole new battle in the war.
Also, Sharon Osbourne lashes out at Susan Boyle. Sharon is not one to mince words.
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OSBOURNE: I like everybody to do well ...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
OSBOURNE: ... and even someone that looks like a slapped arse. It`s like, god bless her. She does look like a hairy (EXPLETIVE DELETED).
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HAMMER: So why is Sharon saying such mean things about one of the most beloved singers in the world?
And SHOWBIZ TONIGHT names the most provocative celebrity of the week? Will it be Josh Duhamel, Rihanna or Sandra Bullock.
Plus, more stories breaking from the "SHOWBIZ News Ticker."
TV`s provocative entertainment news show continues right now.
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Welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. It`s 30 minutes past the hour. I`m A.J. Hammer, broadcasting tonight and every night from New York City.
ANDERSON: I`m Brooke Anderson coming to you from Hollywood.
And tonight, Sandra Bullock versus the porn star, the sequel.
HAMMER: Yes. Tonight, you are about to see, caught-on-camera, the porn star strike back. And Sandra`s husband, Jesse James, striking back. Here`s the big news breaking today.
In a bombshell new interview, Jesse James` porn star ex-wife is speaking out again, claiming Bullock refuses to talk with her which is getting in the way of her custody feud with Jesse over their 5-year-old daughter. You have got to hear her message for Sandra.
Also today, a furious Jesse James struck back at his ex-wife for dragging Sandra into the middle of their family feud, basically saying, "Leave Sandra out of this." But can the porn star win a battle with the husband of America`s sweetheart?
Joining me tonight in Hollywood, Jim Moret - he is the chief correspondent for "Inside Edition."
Always good to see you, Jim. You`ve got that brand-new bombshell interview with Jesse James` ex-wife, Janine Lindemulder. She is fighting Jesse and Sandra Bullock over the custody of the child that she had with Jesse.
Now, Sandra even wrote a letter to the judge earlier this week, laying out her plea for custody. Lindemulder had a message for Sandra when you interviewed her for "Inside Edition." Let`s take a look at that.
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LINDEMULDER: Sandra, yes, you`re a wonderful movie star, but you are not too damn cool to sit down and have a conversation in regards to this 5- year-old child. Am I such a horrible person because of tattoos and I was in porn that you can`t even sit down for a cup of coffee and let`s get on the same page? That`s my gripe.
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HAMMER: Jim, it seems to me a cup of coffee is not going to happen here. Why is her gripe about Sandra and not Jesse?
MORET: Well, I think her gripe is about Sandra because Sandra wrote a letter to the judge saying specifically that the daughter would come into a room and her mother would be passed out from taking drugs.
Let me be really clear about something. I talked to Janine Lindemulder. And she said look, "I`m no June Cleaver. I know I`ve got tattoos. I`ve had a drug history. I`m clean now. I was a porn actress. I`m not any longer. Am I a great mom? Well, I`m the best mom I can be. I love my daughter. I`m not looking for sole custody. I want shared custody."
I think she is upset as a mom that her ex-husband, who she said, broke up with her when she was eight months pregnant and didn`t want anything to do with the daughter for the first three years of her life now wants her completely. I think that`s what has her upset.
And to say that Sandra Bullock is not a party to the lawsuit is a bit disingenuous only because Sandra Bullock put herself into the court action by writing the letter. Sandra Bullock wouldn`t be the mom. She`s a stepmom, but she would be the parent basically if Jesse Jackson (sic) gets sole custody.
And also Janine is not suggesting in any way that Jesse and Sandra are not great parents. They can give her things that Janine can`t.
HAMMER: And of course, you meant Jesse James. Jim, I don`t mean to correct you.
MORET: Oh, I`m sorry.
HAMMER: You said Jesse Jackson there. But you know - yes, Jesse is making no bones about the fact that he is outraged that his porn star ex-wife is attacking Sandra.
And sort of backing up what you just said in a brand-new statement issued today to "People.com," he is saying leave Sandra out of it, "Sandra Bullock is not a party to this litigation. Mr. James` sole concern is for the safety, welfare and best interest of his daughter. The proper forum to resolve this case is in the courtroom."
Now, as you mentioned, you know, and we heard this before, Bullock has been helping to raise this girl with Jesse since January. Jim, when you spoke with Jesse`s ex-wife, did you get the sense in any way that she was threatened by Sandra Bullock?
MORET: Well, she - no. She`s never spoken to Sandra Bullock. She`s never met her. She said that when Jesse married her, she wrote a letter welcoming her into the family, so to speak.
The big strike against her is she recently got married to an ex-con, an ex-felon, that she met in a halfway house. And she knows that that`s probably the biggest strike against her. And as far as my misspeaking earlier, I like to give our friends at the soup something to run every week.
HAMMER: So there you go. Now, you have done it. We appreciate you getting us some coverage there as well, Jim. You have to admit, at least on paper, for people who are not involved intimately in the legal wrangling of the case, Janine has a lot working against her and she`s been candid about it.
But let`s put it out there. She just got out of jail after serving six months on tax evasion charges. She has starred in over 100 porn films. She admits to using drugs in the past and horrific behavior.
And when you pit that against her TV star ex-husband Jesse James and America`s sweetheart, Sandra Bullock - I`ve got to bring in Midwin Charles to chime in on this.
Because Midwin, it seems, with all this baggage and again, going up against America`s sweetheart and her TV star husband, I mean, who do you think a judge will side with here based on all that?
MIDWIN CHARLES, ATTORNEY, MIDWIN CHARLES AND ASSOCIATES: Well, it depends. I mean, at first blush, the baggage looks horrible. It looks horrific. But you have to go in and do an assessment as to what the conditions are in this household now, not 10 months ago, not 12 months ago, but now.
Is she in a safe environment? Is it clean? Is she being taken to school every day? Is she eating three meals a day? There`s an entire assessment that has to be done and you really shouldn`t judge this ex-wife just because she`s got the tattoos and didn`t really have a wonderful background.
The point is, is this place for this little girl in her best interest right now? And that is with her mother or with Jesse James and Sandra Bullock.
HAMMER: I think we need to take a look a little bit more of Jim Moret`s interview for "Inside Edition." This is where Jesse`s ex talks about the advantage that she has in this fight. Let`s roll that.
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LINDEMULDER: They are giving her good love and an extreme, wonderful life. You know, who am I to step in front of that? But I am her mom. And I`ve got something a little extra that - I can`t buy her a lot of things, but we have the bond.
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HAMMER: Jim, you spent a fair amount of time with her. When you`re sitting there across from her, do you get the sense that she thinks that she can win this thing?
MORET: I think she - well I said, "Are you going to lose custody?" And she said, "There`s not a chance." She said, "I`m her mom." You know, coming between a mom and her child is something that you don`t want to do.
And I think that this is going to be a very hard fight for this woman. But she`s going to give it all she`s got. She`s only got one day a week visitation right now. She just wants shared custody. It`s an uphill battle, but we`ll see.
HAMMER: Well, coming off of that, I do want to get a mother`s perspective on this. Brooke Anderson, come on back in. Even though Janine has all that baggage, do you feel some sympathy for her as a mother?
ANDERSON: In a way I do, A.J., but another part of the interview, and Jim mentioned this briefly a couple of minutes ago, Janine said in another part of the interview that she is the best mother that she knows how to be.
And I think that is key here because a lot of women did not have good examples set for them by their own mothers. And I don`t know if that`s the case with Janine, but a lot of times it is all they know.
They have to be taught to be responsible mothers. So in a way, yes, I do feel sympathy. But at the same time, if she is a bad influence, which she has admitted, and no good for this child, then put the child in an environment where the people are going to do what`s right by her.
HAMMER: Yes. And that`s exactly obviously as we`ve mentioned what the judge will be considering. So Midwin, based on all that we know, where do you see this thing going? What do you think is going to happen in the end?
CHARLES: I think in the end, they`re going to have shared custody. I think Jesse James and Sandra have an uphill battle in terms of proving the allegations that they`ve put forward in terms of the type of lifestyle she is currently living.
And if they can`t prove it, if they can`t show in court that this really is a bad environment for this little girl, I think they are going to have to share custody. And I think I can see a court determining that being in the best interest of this little girl.
HAMMER: Jim More, I just have time for a yes or a no. Do you think that`s going to happen here?
MORET: I think there will be some form of shared custody, yes.
HAMMER: All right. Thank you for sharing that interview with us, Jim Moret. Midwin Charles, thank you as well.
ANDERSON: Tonight, Sharon Osbourne is lashing out at Susan Boyle.
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OSBOURNE: I like everybody to do well ...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
OSBOURNE: ... and even someone that looks like a slapped arse. It`s like, god bless her. She does look like a hairy (EXPLETIVE DELETED).
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ANDERSON: OK. So we all know that Sharon is not one to mince words. But why is she saying such mean things about one of the most beloved singers in the world?
Also, James Gandolfini may be having "Sopranos" flashbacks. Wait until you see what he did to a total stranger. There were real shades of Tony Soprano here.
And it`s Friday. That means it`s time for SHOWBIZ TONIGHT to name the most provocative celebrity of the week. Will it be Josh Duhamel for the claims that he cheated on Fergie with a stripper? Rihanna for her new revelations just out tonight about Chris Brown beating her? Or Sandra Bullock for her custody battle with a porn star? This is SHOWBIZ TONIGHT on HLN.
Let us now roll out the "SHOWBIZ News Ticker" - more stories from the SHOWBIZ TONIGHT newsroom making news right now.
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ANDERSON: Tonight, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT names the most provocative celebrity of the week. The nominees - Josh Duhamel for the alleged stripper affair; Rihanna for her explosive tell-all that just aired tonight about how Chris Brown beat her up; or will it be Sandra Bullock caught up in a battle with a porn star over a 5-year-old child?
Welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. I`m Brooke Anderson in Hollywood with A.J. Hammer in New York.
We will be naming SHOWBIZ TONIGHT`s most provocative celebrity of the week in just a moment. But first, ouch! Sharon-Susan smackdown caught on tape - Sharon Osbourne`s vicious attack on Susan Boyle.
Osbourne, who is a judge on "America`s Got Talent" is slamming Boyle for the way she looks. On "The Opie and Anthony Morning Show" on Sirius XM Radio that surfaced today, Sharon says some unbelievable things about Boyle. Wait until you see this.
Joining me tonight in Hollywood, Leslie Marshall, host of "The Leslie Marshall Show." Also in Hollywood, Marc Malkin who is an online columnist for E!
Leslie and Marc, look, from the moment Susan Boyle appeared on "Britain`s Got Talent," nobody ever said that she was a beauty queen. But Sharon Osbourne took it to a whole new level. Watch this.
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OSBOURNE: This great picture of Susan Boyle smiling, looking like a slapped arse.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It really is a great shot. What a great line. That`s a great line.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you love Susan Boyle? I mean, (UNINTELLIGIBLE). Do you not love her? Are you happy that she`s succeeding?
OSBOURNE: I`m happy that she is. I like everybody to do well ...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
OSBOURNE: ... and even someone that looks like a slapped arse. It`s like, god bless her. She does look like a hairy (EXPLETIVE DELETED).
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ANDERSON: Leslie, talk about vicious. What`s wrong with Sharon?
LESLIE MARSHALL, HOST, "THE LESLIE MARSHALL SHOW": Well, Sharon just put the cat back in catfight, didn`t she, Brooke?
ANDERSON: Yes.
MARSHALL: I mean, this is beyond meow. I mean, first of all, not everybody can be or is a beauty queen. And I`m sure all of us won`t look as hot when we are 90, 100 years from now.
But you know, this woman has immense talent - immense talent. And I know there people out there that would say, "I would rather be brilliantly talented than beautiful." Because that voice can just bring so much more than just a pretty face can. And I`m just really surprised as a woman that she would go there.
ANDERSON: Me too. I`m shocked. It was a low blow. It was completely cruel and unnecessary. And Sharon did not make the cut of our nominees for SHOWBIZ TONIGHT`s most provocative celebrity of the week.
But some of our nominees are probably wishing they could crawl into a hole right about now. And I`m thinking Josh Duhamel who has been making headlines this week for his alleged tryst with a stripper is wishing - is wishing that he could disappear right about now. He is one of the nominees tonight.
Also on the list, Rihanna for her dramatic new confessions. She shared every last painful detail about the night Chris Brown beat her up with Diane Sawyer. The whole interview just aired hours ago on ABC.
And making headlines this week over a nasty custody battle is Sandra Bullock, our next nominee for most provocative celebrity of the week, America`s sweetheart getting slammed for getting in the middle of a fight between her husband, Jesse James, and his porn star ex-wife over their 5- year-old daughter.
Pretty big contenders this week. Marc, who do you think should be named SHOWBIZ TONIGHT`s most provocative celebrity of the week?
MARC MALKIN, ONLINE COLUMNIST, E!: I think it`s definitely Rihanna. We have been waiting for so long to hear her side of the story. We have heard nothing from her own lips. And we`re finally hearing the dramatic, horrific night that Chris beat her. That has to be it. That`s what we have all been waiting for.
ANDERSON: Yes. I`m sure it was very tough for Rihanna to be so forthcoming about it. Leslie, do you agree with Marc?
MARSHALL: I actually do. I`d to say Rihanna blew me away - provocative in a good way - that she not only gave us all the details. But I think there were a lot of lessons to be learned by young girls who look up to her because she clearly talked about mistakes, going back to him. You know, I was proud of her.
ANDERSON: Yes.
MARSHALL: I thought the provocation was necessary.
ANDERSON: And she does want to be an example for young girls out there. Well, before SHOWBIZ TONIGHT names the most provocative celebrity of the week, I want to show you a few write-in nominees from our SHOWBIZ TONIGHT Facebook wall.
Yvonne R. writes, "Nicholas Cage for money problems. He should have stayed more involved with what was going on."
Lauren F. writes, "Oprah for having an alleged wife beater on her show. She refused to have Chris Brown on her show. What a hypocrite."
A couple of wild cards there. Marc, do you have a wild card of your own?
MALKIN: I think it`s Carrie Prejean, Miss California. This is a woman who has an alleged sex tape. Carrie has an alleged sex tape? If there is that sex tape, that is definitely provocative.
ANDERSON: I`ll say that qualifies. Leslie, how about you?
MARSHALL: I don`t know. Everybody has a sex tape nowadays. Am I missing out on something? I would have to say Beyonce. You know, Beyonce actually is so provocative, the world is freaking out. She has this big concert in Egypt.
ANDERSON: Yes.
MARSHALL: Her posters are up where she looks so provocative. And those in Egypt where the women dress a bit more modestly are up in arms over her being so provocative.
ANDERSON: She may be showing a little too much skin for the conservative Middle East.
MARSHALL: Yes.
ANDERSON: I`ve got to tell you. There really was a fired up debate in our SHOWBIZ TONIGHT newsroom about this. But the moment has finally arrived. Who is SHOWBIZ TONIGHT`s provocative celebrity of the week? The nominees again - Josh Duhamel, Rihanna and Sandra Bullock.
The winner in a very close vote - Rihanna for brand-new startling confessions. A.J., you and I have both been covering all of these stories all week long. Any doubt that it`s Rihanna hands down?
HAMMER: No, Brooke. This has been building for nine months. I`m with Leslie there - provocative in a good way. Everybody should be proud of her for being so inspiring and being so brave.
ANDERSON: I absolutely agree with that. Leslie Marshall and Marc Malkin, thank you both.
HAMMER: As we move on tonight, James Gandolfini went all Tony Soprano on someone again. Wait until you see what the former "Sopranos" star did to a total stranger. It was downright wise guy-worthy and it was all caught on tape. This is SHOWBIZ TONIGHT on HLN.
It`s time now for the "SHOWBIZ News Ticker" - these are more stories from the SHOWBIZ TONIGHT newsroom making news right now.
TEXT: Suicide prevention groups protest noose scene from episode of "The Office." Julianne Moore may play Alec Baldwin`s love interest on "30 Rock."
ANDERSON: It is time now for "Making It Work." Now this is where find out how famous couples make their relationships survive in the spotlight.
Tonight, Mary J. Blige. Mary J. and Kendu Isaacs have been married for five years, are raising his two youngest children from a previous marriage. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT caught up with Mary J. at the premiere of "Precious." She did a song for the movie. We asked her how did she balances her career with family?
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MARY J. BLIGE, SINGER: It just happens. I just try to like, not be so self-centered when it comes to - you know, as an artist, you can tend to be like me, me, me, even if you`re married with children. So it works really good and it balances out really well when you give of yourself completely and everything comes back to you.
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ANDERSON: Mary J. actually credits Kendu with saving her life helping her overcome years of abuse and addiction.
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ANDERSON: You can take the man off of the "Sopranos" but you can`t take the Soprano out of the man. James Gandolfini seemed to be channeling his monster character, Tony Soprano, when went off on a photographer who was taking video of him in New York City for a Web site called "Guest of a Guest." Watch.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Relax, man.
JAMES GANDOLFINI, ACTOR: Get the (EXPLETIVE DELETED) away from me. You understand me?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. Relax.
GANDOLFINI: I`m going to break your (EXPLETIVE DELETED) face.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.
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ANDERSON: Now, this isn`t the first time Gandolfini went all Tony Soprano on a photographer. Last year, at an airport, he punched a fan who wanted an autograph.
HAMMER: Tonight, Andre Agassi`s drug confessions. In a brand-new interview, the tennis star is speaking out about his revelation that he used crystal meth back in 1990s. Andre spoke with Katie Couric before an interview for Sunday`s "60 Minutes." He very got emotional when Katie told him that fellow tennis star Martina Navratilova compared him to baseball players suspected of using steroids.
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ANDRE AGASSI, TENNIS STAR: When somebody takes a performance inhibitor - a recreational drug -
KATIE COURIC, ABC ANCHOR: Versus a performance-enhancing drug?
AGASSI: The one thing that I would hope is not there aren`t rules that need to be followed. But along with that would come some compassion that maybe this person doesn`t need condemnation. Maybe this person could stand a little help. Because I was in a time of my life that I needed help.
And if I`d gotten the help, maybe things could have been a little easier and maybe I could have, you know, found a way. But when you - if you can get the help, then you can help others.
You know, it could just be a problem. You know? And I had a problem. And there might be many other athletes out there that test positive for recreational drugs that has a problem. So I would ask for some compassion.
HAMMER: Wow. Agassi`s autobiography is called "Open" and it will be out on Monday.
ANDERSON: Thursday, we asked you to vote on our SHOWBIZ TONIGHT question of the day. Just moments ago, we got the final results. "Rihanna`s Tell- All: Do you admire her for speaking out about her abuse." Fifty nine percent of you said yes, but 41 percent say no.
Here are some of the E-mails we got. Renee in Mississippi says Rihanna didn`t have to speak out so she`s courageous for doing so. Renee writes, "Rihanna should be praised for deciding to discuss a very painful and private matter."
But Liz from Michigan says it`s too little too late. She writes, "She lost an opportunity to speak out sooner and be an advocate for others in the same situation.
HAMMER: And that is it for SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. I`m A.J. Hammer in New York.
ANDERSON: And I`m Brooke Anderson in Hollywood. You can catch SHOWBIZ TONIGHT on the 11:00s - 11:00 p.m. Eastern, 11:00 p.m. Pacific, and in the morning, at 11:00 a.m. Eastern on HLN. Take care.
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