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Maria-Arnold Mysteries
Aired May 19, 2011 - 23:00 ET
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A.J. HAMMER, HOST: Should Maria give cheating Arnold another chance? A fired up Showbiz Flashpoint debate tonight.
I`m A.J. Hammer. This is SHOWBIZ TONIGHT.
Big news breaking tonight on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT:
The incredible story behind the story of the Arnold-Maria cheating story. The reporter who broke the exclusive story speak out today for the very first time.
Plus, puzzling new questions tonight: where is Arnold? And just who is that woman he had a kid with?
A real housewives stripping shocker. The disturbing reason why is a "Real Housewives of New Jersey" star decided to become a stripper and then quit.
And Beyonce`s music video for "Run the World Girls" is finally out tonight.
The great debate -- love it or hate it?
TV`s most provocative entertainment news show breaks news -- right now.
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HAMMER: Hello. I`m A.J. Hammer, coming to you from New York City with big news breaking tonight. It`s the story behind the story of and Arnold`s betrayal of Maria.
So, how was it that Arnold Schwarzenegger`s long-time secret that he had a child with the former housekeeper finally got out?
Well, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT can tell you that, today, we finally learned what led to Arnold getting busted. And late today, Schwarzenegger announced he is putting al his new movie and other projects he was planning on hold so he can focus on what he calls personal matters. Yes, no kidding.
So, just how did Arnold hide his deception for so long?
Tonight, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, with the secrets behind the secret.
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JIM KIMMEL, TV HOST: Our emergency reserve of funny nicknames is, all of a sudden, running desperately, desperately low.
HAMMER (voice-over): "Jimmy Kimmel Live" had a lot of fun with all the Arnold Schwarzenegger movie puns we`ve been hearing since Arnold`s love child scandal broke.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: From terminator to governator to impregnator to separator.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: His next movie will be called "the inseminator."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He fathered a son with the family`s housekeeper.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Talk about true lies. What a scumbag! It took the former governor 10 years to get total recall on this one.
HAMMER: Much like all the jokes, shocking details about Arnold`s separation from Maria Shriver and the love child he fathered with his former housekeeper just keep on coming.
And, today, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT is learning more secrets about -- sorry, Jimmy -- Arnold`s true lies and how they were exposed.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Good old fashioned shoe leather reporting.
HAMMER: This morning, "The Today Show" talked to a reporter for "The Los Angeles Times" which broke the Arnold love child story. Robin Abcarian tells "Today" the ball got rolling after the paper first learned that Arnold and Maria Shriver had privately separated earlier this year.
ROBIN ABCARIAN, L.A. TIMES: Then we understood that there was something more to the story and we began investigating that. We were able to confirm that there was, in fact, a child with a former household staff member, and we brought the information to Schwarzenegger and he confirmed it to us.
HAMMER: And, today, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT is bringing you new secrets, including the shocker that made today`s "Daily News" front page titled "Too Much." Yes, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT can confirm that Shriver and the ex- housekeeper identified as Mildred Patricia Baena gave birth to Arnold`s son less than a week apart in 1997.
ALAN DUKE, CNN ENTERTAINMENT REPORTER: It`s very obvious that Arnold Schwarzenegger impregnated the housekeeper about the same time as his wife, Maria Shriver.
HAMMER: CNN entertainment reporter Alan Duke has pored over the birth certificate of Baena and Arnold`s now 13-year-old son, as well as divorce papers filed in Baena`s split from her husband.
DUKE: The man that Mildred Baena had been married to for 12 years when his child was born put his name on the birth certificate. However, we found from divorce documents that three weeks later, he was out of there, separated. Those same divorce papers said that the couple had no children together. That`s an indication that he realized, at some point, perhaps as soon as three weeks after the birth of the child, that it was not his.
HAMMER: Arnold is obviously trying to steer clear from all of the rabid media attention. He isn`t saying a word about the son we didn`t know he had.
But SHOWBIZ TONIGHT has learned he has been providing financial support for the boy who lives with his mother in this house in Bakersfield, California. The boy, whom SHOWBIZ TONIGHT is not naming or showing, apparently has impressed his neighbors.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`s a very, very nice polite young man.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This young man is just at the top end of being polite and being very cordial and just somebody you want to be around.
HAMMER: Plus, we are finding out more today about the Schwarzenegger family we did know about. People.com is reporting today that Maria Shriver has hired divorce attorney to the stars Laura Wasser who represented Britney Spears, Angelina Jolie and Christina Aguilera. But "People" reports Maria isn`t sure she wants to divorce Arnold. Still, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT can tell you, Maria and her four children are learning to live without Arnold.
DUKE: A close friend told me that the family, Maria and the children are circling their wagons and that Arnold is way outside of that circle. In fact, he`s living alone in the Brentwood mansion that the family had been living in.
HAMMER: This whole scandal is enough to make one wonder: how many secrets can one man hold? And are any more about to come to light?
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HAMMER: There are still so many Arnold/Maria mysteries tonight -- all of those clues that Arnold was hiding behind something very big for so many years. That leads to our showbiz flashpoint: Should Maria have seen the clues?
Carlos Diaz is with us tonight.
Carlos is here every morning on HLN with "MORNING EXPRESS" with Robin Meade.
So, Carlos, should Maria have seen the clues?
CARLOS DIAZ, HLN`S MORNING EXPRESS WITH ROBIN MEADE: No. How can you guess that Arnold is going to fall for the housekeeper? She cannot -- you cannot put Maria Shriver at fault at all in this. There`s no way she could have seen this coming.
I mean, the thing, I`m worried -- you know, you ask the question: will more people come out? I`d have to say yes at this point. Because if you look at what`s going on, Arnold being this open with this, as far as pictures being taken and all these different things, obviously, there`s going to be more women ala Tiger Woods coming out of the woodwork.
HAMMER: Yes, shades of Tiger Woods, for sure. And I want to make it clear, in no way would I place any blame or fault with Maria at all.
Let me go to investigative journalist Pat Lalama who is in Hollywood tonight.
To our showbiz flashpoint, Pat: should Maria have seen the clues?
PAT LALAMA, INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST: You know what? It`s so easy for us to sit here and try to figure this out. I`ve got some theories, though. I can bet you, it`s one of a number things. Either: (a), she`s stupid, we know that`s not true.
Either she`s one of those kinds of women who knows there are flaws but thinks she can fix them -- women raise your hand, there`s a lot of women like that. She may have stayed together for the sake of the children. That`s a possibility. She could have accepted an open marriage. I don`t think so.
You also have to look at the family history. This is what she`s accustomed to.
Either way it`s a painful psychological dilemma for her. You know what, A.J., it`s bad enough what these kinds of men do to women, but it`s what women are doing to women. Women need to start demanding what they want. You will be faithful or you are gone.
And I just don`t think enough women for whatever reason are able to say that, because we live in a state that says, oh, boys are wired that way, they just got to do what they got to do. B.S.
HAMMER: Yes. I completely agree with you. And I think we need to give Maria a whole lot of credit. We can`t possibly know all of details of what was going on in her mind, in her marriage, in her household.
And there are so many big SHOWBIZ TONIGHT Arnold/Maria mystery we want to get to the bottom of tonight.
First, stunning new reports today claiming that Arnold as mistress was actually obsessed with Maria, in fact, wanted to look just like her.
To our first mystery, Carlos -- just who is this other woman?
DIAZ: Well, I mean, you know, as you -- she`s a long-time, you know, housekeeper with Arnold Schwarzenegger. She was also pregnant at the exact same time Maria was pregnant. So, you have that similarity. The two of them, you know, could have been trading pregnancy secrets and, you know, talking about the pregnancy -- and there`s Arnold`s baby in both of them.
So, obviously, this is someone who`s been around the family. Arnold allegedly threw parties for her, paid for parties for her before the child and after the child. So, obviously, this is a situation where she was close to the family, which in my opinion adds to the betrayal on a lot of different fronts.
HAMMER: Well, we`ve only seen Arnold once in public since we learned about his love child. And that leads to us our next Arnold/Maria mystery: where is Arnold?
Pat, how long do you think Arnold Schwarzenegger should lie low before surfacing?
LALAMA: You know what? He`s a very, very crafty man. You know, here in California politics, we`ve watched him lead the state for eight years and that was interesting in and of itself. He`s very crafty, he`s very connected. There will probably be a lot of people who will protect him.
But, A.J., are we going to talk about the other woman? Are we going to talk about her responsibility with Arnold? Are we going to talk about she engaged in vile, soulless, immoral behavior as well? Are we protecting her like she`s some sort of a victim?
Why are not more people discussing her participation in this mess?
HAMMER: Yes. I think we`re going to hear more and more about this sort of the shock of all this begins to unfold. Remember, this is still very fresh. This only was revealed two days ago.
We did see Arnold and Maria together celebrating their 25th anniversary. That, of course, was after we had learned about their split, but it was before we learned about their love child.
That lead to our next mystery: will Maria divorce Arnold?
Now, a lot of people think that`s a done deal, but "People" magazine reported today Maria hasn`t made up her mind. She obviously should do that in her time.
But, Carlos, isn`t it unthinkable that she would stay with him?
DIAZ: You don`t hire Laura Wasser to ask someone to lunch at The Ivy, all right? You hire Laura Wasser to get half or more.
LALAMA: True.
DIAZ: And Laura Wasser is good at what she does. So, when I heard -- when I heard that Maria had lawyered up, I`m like uh-oh. And when I heard it was Laura Wasser, I`m uh-oh! So, I mean, she, in my opinion, is headed for divorce.
HAMMER: Yes, she didn`t lawyer up, she Lauraed up. This is the one who has represented Christina Aguilera, Britney Spears, some of the biggest stars in Hollywood.
I have a feeling it means she means business. But, again, until the papers are filed, it`s all speculation at this point.
Carlos, Pat, my friends, always good to see you both.
LALAMA: Thank you.
HAMMER: Well, coming up: we have much more on the Arnold/Maria cheating shocker. I`m talking about disturbing new details about how much Arnold deceived Maria about the child that he had with their housekeeper. Hollywood is outraged about this. So, we`re taking it to the showbiz Hollywood wall of outrage for all of this.
Also, this --
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PIERS MORGAN, HOST, PIERS MORGAN TONIGHT: I think he`s always had an eye for the ladies. I suspect he`s wife has know he`s had an eye for the ladies. The guy is a bodybuilder and a movie star.
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HAMMER: CNN`s Piers Morgan all fired up about Arnold`s cheating. Piers has certainly covered a lot of scandals like this. You got to stick around to hear what he`s saying to me tonight.
And showbiz trending tonight -- Selena Gomez`s Twitter war. Why she`s being slammed on Twitter right now. This is just unbelievable to me.
This is SHOWBIZ TONIGHT on HLN news and views.
Time now to roll out the showbiz news ticker. These are stories from the SHOWBIZ TONIGHT newsroom making news tonight.
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MICHAEL EMERSON, ACTOR: I think he`s going to do just great. He`s really talented and charismatic and funny guy. And I think, you know, if they`re smart they`ll let him us his thing and create a character all of his own, and they`ll put all past characters out of their minds.
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HAMMER: A big shocker tonight: Lady Gaga beat out Oprah Winfrey on the 2011 world`s most powerful celebrity list. While Oprah is worth a lot more than Gaga, "Forbes" says Gaga is number one because of her 30 million plus Facebook fans and 10 million Twitter followers.
Also in the top five, you got your Justin Bieber, U2 and Elton John.
Welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. I`m A.J. Hammer in New York.
And, now, Piers unplugged. Yes, it`s my exciting showbiz news maker interview with Piers Morgan. Piers, of course, host of the fantastic "PIERS MORGAN TONIGHT" on CNN. He`s also one of the judges on "America`s Got Talent." And they kick off their season on May 31st.
I think "America`s Got Talent" is a terrific show. But, obviously, there`s whole lot of competition throughout right now. So, I had to ask Piers does "AGT" still have what it takes?
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MORGAN: "America`s Got Talent" will be number one and two in the ratings pretty much consistently now for five years through the summer. And I think the reason is it`s the ultimate talent show. Although there are new shows on the block, they`re mainly singing or dance shows. What we provide is completely unique.
You know, we got crazy, fiery, jugglers with cowboys cracking whips. We`ve got mad husbands chucking knives at their wives. We have people falling off the stage fighting each other with swords. I fight Howie Mandel with swords. It is a crazy romp all summer, and there`s nothing else like it.
So, bring on the competition. We like competition. But bear in mind, we have slayed all competition every summer for five years.
HAMMER: Yes. And you guys have a great team of judges as well. There`s no denying that. Your old buddy Simon Cowell, of course, as I mentioned, starting up "X Factor," bringing back Paula Abdul. I think that`s an inspired idea.
Do you think lightning can strike twice?
MORGAN: Yes. I think he`s got a brilliant cast. And I know them. You know, Paula is crazy but brilliant in terms of her empathy towards the act. I think America`s missed that relationship with her and Simon, and bringing them back together is a bit of genius by the dark, Machiavellian man that he is.
Cheryl Cole, who you won`t know here yet, I`ve known her a long time. She`s a wonderful girl, talented. She`s been number one in the pop charts in Britain for the last two years.
She`s a great (INAUDIBLE) from Britain which she`s now just given up. She`s warm, she`s funny, she`s emotional, smart.
And then you have, obviously, the new presenters who Nicole and this guy, Steve Jones, that you won`t know again. But Steve Jones is a smart guy, funny, very good looking. Girls are going to go crazy for him.
Cowell, I`m afraid to say, has probably pulled it out of the bag again.
HAMMER: There we go.
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HAMMER: I have to agree. So, what does Piers think of the Arnold Schwarzenegger/Maria Shriver cheating scandal? He knows Arnold. He`s covered stories like this for a long time. You do not want to think what he thinks of this, as my showbiz newsmaker interview with Piers Morgan continuing in just a bit.
Tonight, showbiz breaks romance news with Michael Sheen. Now, Sheen stars in Woody Allen`s "Midnight in Paris" and happens to be dating his co- star, the lovely Rachel McAdams. Well, the two just went public with their relationship at the Cannes Film Festival this week.
And when SHOWBIZ TONIGHT caught up with Sheen at the premiere of the movie in Beverly Hills, he revealed to us how he fell in love with McAdams and the rest of the cast on set.
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MICHAEL SHEEN, ACTOR: It was a wonderful place to be and, you know, the entire -- I think when you work on a Woody Allen film, all the actors become a real company, probably more than any other film. So -- and it was great we had a group of people who all wanted to have a good time, and enjoy Paris, and enjoy the food and the drink and, you know, the architecture and going out in the night. So, we all did that. So, I think we all fell in love with each other a bit.
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HAMMER: Understandable.
"Midnight in Paris" opens in limited release on May 20th.
All right. Definitely not a lot of love going on over "The Real Housewives of New Jersey" -- a huge fight on the season premiere of the show. Check this out.
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HAMMER: Can`t these guys just hop on the turnpike and put on some Bruce (ph) and get along?
Tonight, the stars are revealing what really happened that set everyone off.
There are disturbing new details about just how much Arnold deceived Maria about the child he had with their housekeeper. Hollywood is outraged over this. We`re going to take it to the showbiz wall of outrage.
Also this:
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HAMMER: That is Beyonce`s brand new video, "Run the World." Is it a hit or miss? The big debate is next.
This is SHOWBIZ TONIGHT on HLN news and views.
Time now for the showbiz news ticker, more stories from the SHOWBIZ TONIGHT newsroom making news tonight.
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ELLEN DEGENERES, TV HOST: Is there any interest in having cute babies?
JOSH DUHAMEL: Yes.
DEGENERES: Really?
DUHAMEL: Yes.
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DUHAMEL: Thank you. Yes. I mean, it`s something I`ve always wanted.
DEGENERES: You want a lot of babies?
DUHAMEL: I used to want five or six, but, you know, it`s probably not realistic anymore. Plus, I`m probably a little more selfish than I thought I was. And so, I think two is good. I think two is a good number. You can give them the right amount of attention, you know? But whatever.
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HAMMER: Tonight Beyonce`s big hit or miss? Beyonce just unveiled her brand new music video "Run the World" last night on "American Idol." And in true Beyonce fashion, the video has created big buzz everywhere.
And now, some are calling this the song of the summer already. Others are out there calling this Beyonce video a big miss. I was online. I saw one fan said it`s repetitive and boring. Another fan said the song is horrible and the video doesn`t display Beyonce`s talent.
Let me bring in entertainment journalist Kelley Carter, joining us from Los Angeles.
But, first, Director Charles (INAUDIBLE), please, roll out the video.
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HAMMER: It`s pretty cool song. I got to say, the video is definitely different, certainly an incredibly cool production.
Kelley, love it or hate it?
KELLEY CARTER, ENTERTAINMENT JOURNALIST: I loved it actually. I think one of the things from Beyonce is to create these epic moments, big stadium sounds. This is definitely a stadium track for her and it really has the ability to be the song of the summer.
HAMMER: But I know, you, like me, were looking out there, people`s reviews on line today and there`s a lot of chatter and a lot of buzz from even self-proclaimed Beyonce fans that say, not so crazy about it. Can you understand that?
CARTER: You know, I mean, I can understand it. I think that, you know, with this record, Beyonce has said herself what she wants to do is combine a number of different genres and ultimately create a completely different sound, you know, for this album. And so, I think knowing that already going into this, you`re going to expect criticism from people who have been Beyonce loyalists definitely.
And that said, I think so far, she`d made good on this promise. This is nice mixture of Middle Eastern sounds, African sounds, pop music and electronica. And I really think that she just kind of knocks it out the park with this one.
HAMMER: Quickly, Kelley, you got to tell me -- could this actually be Beyonce`s biggest hit ever, even bigger craze than "Single Ladies"?
CARTER: Absolutely. I think that what Beyonce does well is that she thinks about what the video looks like when she actually sits down and writes the music, and she definitely did with this one.
HAMMER: Kelley Carter, I thank you so much. She loves it.
CARTER: Thank you.
HAMMER: Time now for the showbiz line. Here`s what`s coming up at the bottom of the hour on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT.
There are disturbing details about just how much Arnold deceived Maria about the child that he had with their housekeeper. Hollywood outraged tonight. We`re taking it to the showbiz wall of outrage for this.
Showbiz trending tonight, Selena Gomez is under attack today on Twitter from girls in Indonesia.
And one of the biggest party schools out there is actually warning its students, hey, you party with the "Jersey Shore" crew, you`re going to get in a whole heap of trouble, forget about it.
This is SHOWBIZ TONIGHT on HLN news and views.
It`s time for the showbiz news ticker, more stories from the SHOWBIZ TONIGHT newsroom making news tonight.
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HAMMER: Big news breaking tonight on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. The big Arnold mystery tonight -- the depths of Arnold`s deception, the shocking new photos of Arnold with the other woman. Hollywood outraged. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT takes it to the wall of outrage tonight.
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MORGAN: I think he`s always had an eye for the ladies. I suspect his wife has known he`s had an eye for the ladies. The guy is a bodybuilder and a movie star.
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HAMMER: CNN`s Piers Morgan on the Arnold cheating scandal. You have got to see my headline making showbiz newsmaker interview with Piers tonight.
Showbiz trending tonight: the Selena Gomez Twitter war. Girls in Indonesia slamming Selena on Twitter tonight. But why?
ANNOUNCER: TV`s most provocative entertainment news show continues right now.
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HAMMER: Welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT.
It is 30 minutes past the hour. I`m A.J. Hammer coming to you from New York City.
We`ve got big news breaking tonight. Arnold`s twisted tales -- oh, what a tangled web we weave. And today, I`m here to tell you that web -- it got more tangled. So many brand new developments.
It turns the depth of Arnold Schwarzenegger`s deceiving Maria Shriver about the child he fathered with his housekeeper is even deeper than we could have imagined. And I can tell you, the outrage over these new developments that I`m about to share with you is going to make your head shake, it`s going to make you wonder even more what the heck was Arnold thinking?
Let`s take it now to the SHOWBIZ TONIGHT wall of outrage. Did you know we have a wall of outrage?
Now, we learned today that the boy who fathered -- the boy Arnold fathered with his housekeeper Mildred Baena was born on October 2nd, 1997. Do the math there, that`s less than one week after Maria Shriver gave birth to her youngest son with Arnold.
Let me go out to investigative journalist Pat Lalama in Hollywood.
Pat, the showbiz outrage-o-meter is off the charts tonight.
LALAMA: Oh, yes, heck it is. And I`ll be -- I`ll stand in line as the most outraged. But I`m -- my outrage is being shared. It`s being passed to both of them. Let me just repeat that.
HAMMER: OK. Important to note because it`s obviously a two to tango here to bring in the third.
Let me get to a startling revelation right off the bat that I have to share with you on the showbiz wall of outrage. We got to take a look of the birth certificate of the boy the housekeeper had with Arnold. Now, her husband was listed as the birth father. Three weeks after the boy was born they filed for divorce.
And SHOWBIZ TONIGHT has obtained the divorce record and it shows in the area that asks if any minor children were involved -- no, there were no minor children involved here. It makes me kind of wonder what about the boy who was born? Who knows, maybe it was like some delivery room surprise for the woman`s husband. Maybe he said, you know what? The kid doesn`t look like me.
Let`s go to Carlos Diaz. He`s is with "MORNING EXPRESS" with Robin Meade. Carlos, it doesn`t take a rocket scientist to put two and two together here.
DIAZ: Being a Spanish person, I can tell you that if you have two Spanish parents, the baby comes out maybe with blond hair, maybe you`re not the dad. That`s the thing here. That`s crazy because as you said, on the birth certificate, she listed the father`s name.
So, she was obviously playing ball. I mean, she was -- you know, Arnold knew, she knew and she wasn`t about to say listen, I`m going to put your name on the birth certificate so I can get millions of dollars in support. She was playing ball, Arnold and her were on the same team. But then, her husband wasn`t much. That`s why she filed for divorce three weeks later.
HAMMER: Yes. I mean, Pat Lalama, here we are 14 years later and there was a clue standing right there that something was terribly awry. That further shocks me that we didn`t learn about all this until this week.
LALAMA: Well, you`re talking about very powerful people with very powerful connections. I mean, if I`m dealing with Arnold Schwarzenegger and I`m giving birth to his child, I`m going to do what he tells me to do, particularly if I`m getting something big out of it.
I don`t think we know exactly what went on. We can speculate. Carlos, I think, he did a great job on trying to figure out what that was all about.
I don`t think we know between the ex and him and her when it all came to fruition and who decided the kid wasn`t whomever`s. The point of it is, it`s betrayal. It`s deception. It`s lies. And it`s vile.
HAMMER: It`s a huge level of dishonesty. And that`s why I think everybody is talking about this so much and having such a hard time wrapping our collective minds around it.
But I must tell you -- the SHOWBIZ TONIGHT wall of outrage has plenty of outrage from Hollywood over what Arnold did tonight. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT was right there at the Hollywood premiere last night of Woody Allen`s new movie "Midnight in Paris."
Celebrity book author Jackie Collins who has written a thing or two about deceit, she went off on Arnold. Watch what she told SHOWBIZ TONIGHT.
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JACKIE COLLINS, AUTHOR: I just think it`s very pathetic. I mean, I think cheating men are pathetic. I mean, why -- why play with a little brain when you can play with a big brain?
It`s very easy to be unfaithful. It`s very tough to stay faithful in a marriage, especially in Hollywood.
Maria doesn`t need any advice. She`s a smart, intelligent, beautiful woman. She`s got a great career ahead of her. She had a great career behind her, and I think she`s going to do just fine.
My advice to him would be to perhaps get it clipped. Then he can go on and do whatever he wants.
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HAMMER: All right. Pat, I know you`re obviously very and rightfully displeased with the woman who is involved in this situation. But what do you think of Jackie`s advice? Dead on there?
LALAMA: Amen, girl. She`s right on from A to Z. I`m so tired for excuses for boys -- little boys` bad behavior.
Gene Simmons said something the other day, if I were in the same room with me, I don`t know what I`d do. We`re wired this way, we`re just following our brains.
You know what? Try saying that to my husband. If that even crosses his mind, he knows where he`s going to be and that`s going to be out the door. There are plenty of men who don`t need to spread the wealth.
HAMMER: I hear the sound of scissors in the background. But let`s not go with that direction right now.
Let`s get to what`s next on our showbiz wall of outrage. What about the likely Arnold/Maria divorce?
I got to say, my hats off to Maria today for reportedly hiring power house divorce attorney Laura Wasser. Wasser has handled some of the biggest celebrities in their divorces in Hollywood -- Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera. But today, "People" magazine quoted a source as saying Maria hasn`t decided yet if she wants to end her marriage.
Carlos, I know there are kids involved here but isn`t this a no- brainer? Of course, she should end this marriage.
DIAZ: That`s just Maria being the classy person that she is. But when you listen to Jackie and you listen to Pat Lalama, who is officially ripping up her Arnold Schwarzenegger fan club membership card, there`s no way Maria is going to say, I think I`ll take the guy back.
She knows. She`s a smart individual. And she knows how women all over the country view this situation and view her soon to be ex-husband.
HAMMER: Yes, I think where Arnold has exhibited no class throughout this entire ordeal and what`s going to unfold. I think Maria will be showing as much class as is possible.
I got to leave it there. Carlos Diaz, Pat Lalama, I thank you both.
LALAMA: Thanks.
HAMMER: And now, I got to move on to the big "Jersey Shore" drama tonight. I got a word of advice for you, don`t party with Snooki. One of the biggest party schools out there is saying, hey, party with the "Jersey Shore," gang -- you`ll pay the consequences.
Also, former "Real Housewives" stars, big stripper regrets tonight.
And Ashton Kutcher speaking out for the very first time since taking over for Charlie Sheen on "Two and a Half Men."
All that`s making big news in the buzz today.
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HAMMER (voice-over): Ashton`s two and a half jackpot. Ashton Kutcher just revealed he thinks his brand new job on "Two and a Half Men" is like striking a whole lot of gold. Ashton opened up at CBS`s upfront presentation for advertisers saying, "You almost think I`ve won the lotto, which I kind of did," and he just tweeted a picture with his co-stars joking, "First cast argument 2.5 men."
SHOWBIZ TONIGHT was right here at the CBS upfront where Kevin Dillon, star of the upcoming CBS show, "How to be a Gentleman," said he agrees Ashton`s the right guy to replace Charlie Sheen on "Men."
KEVIN DILLON, ACTOR: I think he`s going to be good. I think he`s a good fit. Charlie can`t come back, he`s the guy. So, either him or me.
HAMMER: Star stripper picture stress. "Real Housewives of New Jersey" star Danielle Staubs has just announced she is seeking psychological help after racy and topless pictures of her stripping surfaced online. She tells "People" magazine, "My low self-esteem derived from childhood sexual abuse has messed with my mind and self-worth. For years, I have had this suicidal hotline on my cellphone." Adding, "I can no longer push it behind me."
Warning on the "Jersey Shore"? University of Florida students studying in Italy have just been hit with a letter demanding they stay away from partying with Snooki and The Situation or else.
TMZ reports the e-mail from the school states any student who does agree to participate in the filming of the show will be dismissed from the program immediately.
SHOWBIZ TONIGHT has confirmed the university did send a warning, but they tell us generally speaking, students may participate in activities outside their study abroad programs as long as they meet the academic and living requirements of their program.
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HAMMER: Moving on tonight, you have to see my no holds barred showbiz newsmaker interview with CNN`s Piers Morgan -- what Piers thinks about Arnold Schwarzenegger`s explosive cheating scandal.
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MORGAN: I think he`s always had an eye for the ladies. I suspect his wife has known he`s had an eye for the ladies. The guy is a bodybuilder and a movie star.
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HAMMER: It`s my must-see headline-making showbiz newsmaker interviewer coming up next.
Showbiz trending tonight, the Selena Gomez smackdown. Why Indonesia girls are slamming Selena on Twitter.
Moving now to real smackdown of New Jersey, it was the family fistfight heard around the world.
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HAMMER: What was behind this outrageous brawl? "The Real Housewives of New Jersey" speak out today.
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It`s time now for the showbiz news ticker, more stories from the SHOWBIZ TONIGHT newsroom making news tonight.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Step up. Hold on to the railing. Don`t peek.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m not.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Step up on to the rail. Hold on. Hold on. Keep your eyes closed. Do you trust me?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I trust you.
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HAMMER: Whoa, whoa. Did you see this? That`s Sherri Shepherd trying pole dancing. The ladies of "The View" with the assess there to demonstrate just how pole dancing could be a sport.
I`m not exactly sure she sold the idea, but I love that Sherri gave it a whirl. Nice going, Sherri.
Welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. I`m A.J. Hammer in New York.
And tonight, in our continuing coverage of the Arnold Schwarzenegger scandal, I went one-on-one with CNN`s Piers Morgan. Now, Piers has covered celebrities and their salacious scandals for decades. He`s also interviewed Arnold himself.
So, I had to get his take on Arnold`s bombshell revelations and exactly how this scandal ranks among other star scandals. You got to listen to what Piers told me on my showbiz newsmaker interview.
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MORGAN: The detail of the scandal is quite extraordinary. I`ve known Arnold Schwarzenegger on and off for a while. I`ve interviewed him two or three times. I met him and Maria Shriver at a restaurant in Los Angeles, at Cut Restaurant at Beverly Wilshire about a month ago. They were together just going in for dinner.
I stopped. I talked to them. There was no sign of anything wrong.
In fact, I actually wrote in the column do I for a British newspaper, isn`t it great to see them after all these years, they`re still happy together? And this was after he had told her about this bombshell.
And extraordinary story -- I mean, the housekeeper, the fact that she was pregnant at the same time as Maria Shriver, the babies arrive at the same time. I mean, you couldn`t make this stuff up.
But in the end, it`s kind of a human tragedy. That`s what you`re left with, as with all these scandals. They`re not really different people. They`re human beings. They live in big houses and they have housekeepers and the rest it, but Arnold Schwarzenegger was as susceptible to having an affair, it turned out, as the guy on the street.
HAMMER: Yes.
I want to talk about one of the interviews you actually did with Arnold. It was for "GQ" magazine. This was back in 2007.
MORGAN: Yes.
HAMMER: At one point, you asked him, "You have a reputation for having an eye for the ladies, would you do deny that?" And he said, "I appreciate women. They are the greatest thing that has ever been put on earth. Without them, I couldn`t live. And I`m so lucky to have found the best woman in the world to be my wife."
And at this time, he was aware he fathered this love child.
When you were sitting there with him, thinking back to that moment, could you have ever imagined we`d be sitting here today having this conversation about the scandal?
MORGAN: Well, no, I like Arnold Schwarzenegger. Let me start from that premise. I like interviewing him. Whenever I meet him, he`s been very courteous to me, very friendly. He`s an impressive man. He`s the kind of guy that I`ve quoted to people over the last few years.
HAMMER: But you couldn`t have sensed it -- I guess is what I`m asking you. Back to when you were sitting with him then, would you have thought --
MORGAN: Well, there were lots of rumors. I mean, you know that.
HAMMER: Sure. Absolutely.
MORGAN: "The L.A. Times," when he ran for the governorship of California, ran a lot of stories about him with women.
HAMMER: Sixteen women, the alleged groping.
MORGAN: Yes. They brought the story. And they probably feel indicated. I don`t know the truth of all of those stories. I think he`s always had an eye for the ladies. I suspect his wife has known he`s had an eye for the ladies. The guy is a bodybuilder and a movie star, you know?
It`s -- it would take a saint frankly, I should think, given the opportunity a guy like he gets to not occasionally be tempted. I don`t know what the real Arnold Schwarzenegger is like. Maybe we`ll find out now. But I still think he`s not a bad guy.
HAMMER: Well, you also asked Arnold if having affairs affects a politician`s jobs.
Here`s what he said, "I`m not sure, I haven`t carried out any tests in this area. But take my office, for instance. I don`t care who`s married or divorced or whatever. I only care if they are doing good job for the people."
You know, knowing what we know now, Piers, doesn`t it blow your mind a bit that this was kept so secret for so long? I mean, the vetting process that politicians are put through by the other politicians is even harder than what the tabloid put them through.
MORGAN: Bear in mind, the only people that would have known would have been him and the housekeeper, and she`s working in his house under his employment. So, it`s fairly controlled -- this environment this scandal was operating in. And it only seems to have come out when she left in January, either voluntarily or because as some people had suggested, he thought the story might come out and he fired her. We don`t know the truth about that.
I mean, it is extraordinary. I couldn`t quite -- but having said that, my real ire for these politicians comes out when they`re rank hypocrites. Had I interviewed Arnold then and when I asked him that question, he said, "I would fire any of my staff if they were caught having an affair," then he`s a rank hypocrite.
It`s a little different when he point blank says to me, "I wouldn`t make any judgments about my staff. I`m not that kind of politician." It makes him less evil in my view.
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HAMMER: All right. Moving on, you may have heard something about this. After 25 years on the air, Oprah`s last talk show is next week and we`ve been asking you for iReport videos about Oprah signing off. How does Oprah inspire you?
You got to check out this very creative iReport comes from Gregory R. in Cincinnati. And it looks like Oprah inspired him to boogie.
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GREGORY R. FROM OHIO: I want to dance with Oprah!
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HAMMER: I think we all want to dance with Oprah. Thank you, Gregory.
I want you to send me your Oprah iReports. It`s really easy to do. Head on over to iReport.com/Oprah.
Moving now to the real smackdown of New Jersey. It`s the family fist fight heard round the world.
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HAMMER: "Real Housewives," real drama. Exactly what was behind this outrageous family brawl? Teresa Giudice and a new cast member Melissa Gorga speaking out today about what really happened next.
This is SHOWBIZ TONIGHT on HLN news and views.
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HAMMER: Nothing better than a big old classy party, right? What better way to kick off the new season of "The Real Housewives of New Jersey" than a big old family smackdown?
Teresa Giudice is in the middle of another furious fight, this time with her brother and his wife. It`s the biggest smackdown since Teresa flipped a table on the show.
So, what does she have to say about the family fist fight today? Well, they don`t call it a reality show for nothing, right? Teresa and her husband, Joe Giudice, were at a party. They were guests at her nephew`s christening. Things turned ugly very quickly when Teresa`s brother, Joe Gorga, couldn`t hold back on a family grudge. He called Teresa garbage.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Take a walk.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why did you invite me then?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Take a walk. Take a walk you garbage.
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HAMMER: Nice. Well, on "The Wendy Williams Show" today, Joe Gorga`s wife and new cast member Melissa, they were there to set the record straight about Joe`s comment and exactly why her relationship with Teresa is so darn contentious.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think, yes, he had a couple drinks but I think it was a lot of emotion and he`s really, really hurt.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In the beginning, we got along.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. It wasn`t that we ever fought, but we never had that click. We never really click clicked.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why is that?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, we did. I felt like we did because I was so happy that she was marrying my brother and then I was a month away from giving birth and then I asked -- a month later, I gave birth and asked her to be a godmother. If I didn`t like her, she`s never been the godmother of my kid.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Your brother calls his sister garbage at the christening. I heard he regrets it now.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Of course. Who would ever want to call their sister garbage? I think it was, you know, in the heat of the moment. And I asked him the other day when he saw it and he said, you know, I didn`t remember saying that and he said, but at that time, I felt that she was garbage.
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HAMMER: OK. I got it. So, she was garbage at that time. Understood.
A lot of people think the family feud between Teresa and Melissa has to do with jealousy and money. Melissa actually says Teresa has no reason to be jealous.
Well, the season has only just begun. More of the fun train wrecks are on the way. Tune in to "The Real Housewives of New Jersey," Monday nights on Bravo.
Justin Bieber`s gal pal Selena Gomez getting a big old Twitter smackdown. And showbiz trending tonight: Bieber`s fans in Indonesia, they are slapping Selena, so to speak. "Tabok Selena," which loosely translated means "slap Selena" in Indonesian is actually a top-five Twitter trending topic tonight. Selena is apparently getting the slaps because she`s dating Justin Bieber.
But not everybody is dissing Selena tonight. I actually just noticed something trending higher than "Tabok Selena." It`s "Indonesia Sayang Gomez," which apparently means Indonesia loves Gomez. As one Twitterer put it, "It`s our apologize."
Hey, I`m glad we can all tweet and make up.
That is it for SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. I`m A.J. Hammer in New York.
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