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Dr. Phil`s Big Grill on Casey Anthony`s Parents; The Dramatic Transformation of Ali Lohan; Charlie Sheen Gets Roasted; Demi Moore Naked; Hulkamania Versus Little People
Aired September 12, 2011 - 23:00 ET
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A.J. HAMMER, HOST: Big news breaking tonight on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT -- Phil`s big grill of Casey Anthony`s parents. Tonight, for the very first, time Dr. Phil reveals his no-holds-barred, explosive very first interview with Casey`s mom and dad.
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CINDY ANTHONY, CASEY ANTHONY`S MOTHER: I wanted Casey to know how much she was hurting me, and I thought she was purposely keeping Caylee away from me.
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HAMMER: But what are Casey`s parents saying about whether they think Casey killed her two-year-old daughter?
The Lohan face feud. The dramatic transformation of Lindsay Lohan`s 17-year-old kid sister from this to this. Tonight, did Ali Lohan go under the knife?
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Doesn`t even look like the same person.
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Demi Moore naked. Why did 48-year-old Demi just tweet a picture of her buff bod in the buff? The SHOWBIZ Flashpoint, oh, so sexy? Or, oh, TMI?
TV`s most provocative entertainment news show breaks news right now.
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Hello. I`m A.J. Hammer in New York with Jill Simonian, with big news breaking tonight -- Casey Anthony`s parents grilled by Dr. Phil.
JILL SIMONIAN, CO-HOST: And that`s right, A.J. It always comes down to this -- what did Casey`s parent really know and when did they know it?
HAMMER: Well, Jill, for the very first time, we finally got to see Dr. Phil today asking George and Cindy Anthony the very tough questions. And we got our first look at their first interview since Casey Anthony was acquitted on murder charges.
So did they think their daughter killed her two-year-old daughter, Caylee? What do they think caused that infamous stench of death in the trunk of Casey`s car? Casey, if you`re watching, I`m here to tell you, your parents think you`re a big liar.
With me tonight in New York, Atty. Midwin Charles of Midwin Charles and Associates. Also with me in New York, Kim Serafin, senior editor of "In Touch Weekly."
So one question that everyone has about the Anthony`s is this -- how in the world could their granddaughter, who lived with them and Casey, disappear for 30 days and they did not know anything about it?
Dr. Phil`s full interview with them is going to air on the show tomorrow. But this morning on the "Today" show, we go to see Dr. Phil asking Cindy Anthony about a post that she wrote on MySpace saying her granddaughter was missing. It`s a post she wrote almost two weeks before she first called the police. Watch what Cindy told Dr. Phil.
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CINDY ANTHONY: Caylee was missing in my heart that day. She wasn`t missing physically in the sense because I thought I knew where she was at. I wanted Casey to know how much she was hurting me. And I thought she was purposely keeping Caylee away from me.
DR. PHIL MCGRAW, HOST, "THE DR. PHIL SHOW": We now know that day 911 calls were made. When she`s being cuffed in the driveway, when she`s in your home that night, she knows that Caylee is gone.
CINDY ANTHONY: Yes.
MCGRAW: She continued to lie.
GEORGE ANTHONY, FATHER OF CASEY ANTHONY: She continued to lie.
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HAMMER: So Cindy and George contend that they`re basically victims of Casey Anthony`s lies. A lot of people still question George and Cindy`s actions during this very sad case. Midwin, do you think their explanation will fly?
MIDWIN CHARLES, ATTORNEY, MIDWIN CHARLES AND ASSOCIATES: I hope it does. I mean, unfortunately, they are being grilled after the fact. Casey Anthony was on trial for murder. She was acquitted of murder.
And unfortunately, I think people need to let this anger that they have against her go. It`s not going to bring little Caylee back, unfortunately.
HAMMER: No, unfortunately. And the whole thing just remains so, so sad. We`re talking about, you know, a young girl who died here. We also got to see today the Anthonys talking for the very first time about the pain of watching their daughter`s trial.
Casey`s attorney, Jose Baez, made all kinds of wild accusations. You remember him talking about Casey`s dad saying he helped dispose of little Caylee`s body after an accident that, that he had an affair with a volunteer worker.
Everyone has always wondered what Cindy Anthony was thinking when she heard all of that. Watch what she tells Dr. Phil about it.
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MCGRAW: When you heard the defense in this case say that he was involved, not in causing the child`s death, but in events that took place after that, did it ever occur to you that he`s hidden substantial things from me before? Could he have done it again?
CINDY: No, not when it came to his family as far as Casey and Caylee. George would never have put us through those six months of not knowing where Caylee was if he knew where Caylee was, because I watched his heart break every single day and I watched him as frantic as he was.
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HAMMER: It is obvious the Anthonys just remain devastated quite understandably by Caylee`s death, Casey`s actions as well. But Kim, out to you. Do you think this interview is more about repairing the reputations or do you think it is really getting down to it and addressing their pain?
KIM SERAFIN, SENIOR EDITOR, "IN TOUCH WEEKLY": I think it`s a little bit of both. I think they had to address this. People wanted to hear from them. And when you`re looking at these clips -- I mean, of course, we`ll see the full interview tomorrow and Wednesday.
But when you`re looking at the clips, they do come across very sympathetic. You can see the pain they`re going through. And I think they are explaining some things.
We`ll have to see when the full interview comes out if things go too far, if we`re seeing, like, oh, they`re just making excuses. But right now, these do seem like legitimate points.
And I think you look at the relationship that they have with Casey, which is apparently nonexistent. And I think that`s also making people believe them more and see their pain more.
HAMMER: Yes. And hopefully, talking to a guy like Dr. Phil is actually providing for a cathartic experience for them to get some relief here. Of course, yes, as you said, Dr. Phil is not revealing everything about his interview with the Anthonys just yet.
But on "The View" this morning, Dr. Phil let this bombshell slip -- George and Cindy Anthony don`t agree on what Casey may have done to little Caylee. Watch this.
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MCGRAW: I think that they`re very divided on that. I asked them at point, "Do you believe she actually took her dead baby to the woods and buried it?"
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And they said?
MCGRAW: And they have a very different view of that. He is very critical. She seems to make an excuse at every turn.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You know what --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s in denial.
MCGRAW: Very much in denial.
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HAMMER: I guess I wouldn`t expect Casey`s mom to go on TV and say, "Hey, Casey did it." But Jill, does Cindy`s apparent denial surprise you at all? It seems to make sense.
SIMONIAN: It does and it doesn`t. It surprises me simply because -- how could you not think at this point that, you know, this crime was committed by her daughter? But at the same time she`s a mom. She`s protecting her kid.
HAMMER: Of course.
SIMONIAN: And Dr. Phil did mention on the today show that she might just be in denial, not believing her child could do something look that.
HAMMER: Difficult to know.
SIMONIAN: It is difficult to know. Well, there is more big news breaking tonight about another huge controversy surrounding a mother. This is the mother we saw on TLC`s "Toddlers and Tiaras," who dressed her three-year- old daughter as Julia Roberts` prostitute character in "Pretty Woman."
Well, she`s now telling everyone to calm down. On "Good Morning America" this morning, we Wendy Dickey day everyone is simply overreacting to her daughter`s controversial get-up. You`ve got to hear this.
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WENDY DICKEY, MOTHER OF PAISLEY DICKEY: No, they don`t know what kind of family we are. I`m shocked. I`m very shocked. I think it has been blown out of proportion. Would I do it again? Of course, no. But I do think people have overreacted in the worst way.
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SIMONIAN: Listen, I`ve watched "Toddlers and Tiaras," and lots of the moms are obsessed with making their daughters stand out. I think, in Wendy`s case, it was wildly inappropriate.
But I don`t really think it occurred to her what she was actually doing. Kim, I`m going to throw it to you. Do you agree with Wendy that people are making too big of a deal of this?
SERAFIN: Well, I can understand what she`s saying when she says she`s shocked, very shocked that people had this reaction.
Because when you live in a bubble where it`s totally the norm to wax your three-year-old`s eyebrows and get her spray tanned and have her wear flipper and do many other sort of things that maybe people think are meant for adults, not for a three-year-old, I think she doesn`t see the difference.
I think there a lot of people that say, well, if you`re putting a bikini on your three-year-old or you`re dressing her as a Dallas Cowboys cheerleader, why is it so different to dress her up as a Julia Roberts character, even though it`s a prostitute? So I think when you`ve crossed that line, it`s hard to kind of see where you`re crossing it even further.
SIMONIAN: Absolutely, Kim. I think you hit it on the head when you said the child pageant world is a bubble, because as we`ve seen from the show, oftentimes, it is. We asked in our SHOWBIZ exclusive poll if "Toddlers and Tiaras" should be cancelled, here`s what they had to say -- a whopping 92 percent said yes. Midwin do you agree? Quickly.
CHARLES: You know, I don`t agree. One of the things that I like about the show is that it lets everybody know that this world even exists, right? I`ve never even heard of this. And when you see these pageant moms -- and for me, what I find the funniest is the pageant dad, it`s kind of sad.
SIMONIAN: You`re right. We`ve got to leave it right there. Midwin Charles, Kim Serafin, thank you so much.
HAMMER: Got to move on now to the Lohan face feud. Check out Lindsay Lohan`s 17-year-old sister, Ali. Her dramatic transformation, as you well imagine, is sparking outrage today. Did she go under the knife, or is there something else going on here? We have got the Lohan plastic surgery great debate coming up.
SIMONIAN: And Demi more naked. Yes, I said naked. The 48-year-old just tweeted a photo of her buff bod in the buff. So I want to know is it too sexy or so TMI?
HAMMER: And Hulkamania running wild on little wrestlers?
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HULK HOGAN, PROFESSIONAL WRESTLER: Get ready for the next big thing!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hey, down here!
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HAMMER: Hulk Hogan goes into the ring with little people wrestlers. Will you watch this thing? This is SHOWBIZ TONIGHT on HLN news and views.
Time for the "SHOWBIZ News Ticker" -- these are more stories from the SHOWBIZ TONIGHT newsroom making news tonight.
TEXT: Rihanna to guest judge on Simon Cowell`s "X Factor." SHOWBIZ first look: "Twilight: Breaking Dawn."
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ROBERT PATTINSON, ACTOR: It`s crushing you from the inside out.
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SIMONIAN: Here we go again. Another big national anthem flub, this time by Cindy Lauper at the U.S. open over the weekend. Cindy, it`s, "O`er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming," not the flag. What the heck went wrong with Cindy?
Welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. I`m Jill Simonian in New York.
HAMMER: I`m A.J. Hammer. You know, Jill, the national anthem -- it`s not easy to sing. You`ve got all those people around. But you do think that when a pro like Cindy Lauper gets up there to sing it, they`re going to get the lyrics right. Didn`t happen with Cindy. Let`s listen again, shall we?
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HAMMER: All right. So she flubbed the words. Flags can`t stream. But I say cut Cindy a break, right?
SIMONIAN: I know. Me, too, A.J. But what -- Cindy did reveal what may have caused the big flub just after the performance.
She tweeted, "Whew, I just did the anthem for the U.S. Open, it was an awesome experience. I got choked up in the middle remembering 9/11. I hope I didn`t mess up too bad. I wanted it to be comforting."
HAMMER: Now, some people are saying she pulled a Christina by doing this. Of course, we all remember when Christina Aguilera was singing the national anthem in front of an estimated 111 million viewers at the Super Bowl.
She sang the words, "What so proudly we watched that the twilight last gleaming." That was unfortunate. She did blame her flub on getting all emotionally caught up in the song.
SIMONIAN: Right. All right now. Turning now to SHOWBIZ fashion frenzy. Fashion week is all fired up here in New York City. And all the big stars are strutting their way into town to sample fashion`s fiercest designs.
And you can`t get more fierce than the fabulous Mark Jacobs. He`s rumored to be to the heir apparent to John Galliano`s throne at Christian Dior. And CNN`s Alina Cho sat down with the star designer to find out what he`s got up his perfectly cut sleeve.
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ALINA CHO, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): You see his name everywhere. The creative genius behind a half billion dollar empire. The creative director of Louis Vuitton.
MARC JACOBS, FASHION DESIGNER: We have to see the shape of the pocket.
CHO: At 48, Marc Jacobs has won nearly every award in fashion, including the industry`s highest for Lifetime Achievement just this year.
(on camera) It is an incredible validation from the industry.
JACOBS: Yes, but a lifetime is also something that feels very final. And I certainly don`t feel like my lifetime is over. And I certainly hope it isn`t over. In fact, I hope it`s only halfway started.
CHO (voice-over): He may be right. The biggest rumor off the runway is word that Marc Jacobs is in line for one of the most coveted jobs in design, creative director of famed French fashion house, Christian Dior.
JACOBS: Yes. It would be an honor. There is no question that the two great couture houses in Paris are Chanel and Dior. I think it would be very hard thing to turn down.
CHO: Dior has been without a designer since the company fired John Galliano earlier this year for making anti-Semitic comments.
JOHN GALLIANO, FASHION DESIGNER: I love Hitler.
CHO: Jacobs says he doesn`t think about the future. His focus is on the present.
(on camera) One day at a time, one hour at a time?
JACOBS: Yes. One minute at a time, one second at a time.
CHO (voice-over): An obsession that started at 15, a stock boy at a hot New York City boutique. Overnight, he was selling his own designs, then designing for Perry Ellis.
In the early `90s, he started his own label and created a sensation when he reinterpreted grunge for the runway. Marc Jacobs had arrived.
JACOBS: I instinctively react to things that stimulate me. And that`s --
CHO (on camera): Such as?
JACOBS: That`s -- well, I mean it could be anything, things that have affected me in the past couple of months. The weather has affected me.
CHO: Amy Winehouse?
JACOBS: The death of Amy Winehouse and moving into my new place. Yes, yes.
CHO (voice-over): A perfectionist.
JACOBS: So we should mock up the size.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
JACOBS: Yes. And put a pocket.
CHO: Famous for working right up until show time.
JACOBS: To me, it doesn`t really matter. If it`s a day before the show or a week before the show, if it`s before the show, it`s before the show.
CHO: A former drug addict with 33 tattoos and a certain fondness for skirts.
JACOBS: I like wearing skirts. I like wearing kilts. I started like a few years ago. I moved from kilts into pencil skirts. I wear now mostly Prada pencil skirts. I like to do the things that make me feel good and that make me feel happy, that don`t hurt other people.
CHO: A man who, on and off the runway, has done it his way and yet is never satisfied.
JACOBS: I`m always nervous. I`m a total nervous wreck all the time, or most of the time. I`m very -- you know, I`m always questioning my choices. And I`m always looking at things --
CHO (on camera): You are?
JACOBS: Yes, but I -- and I don`t think there`s anything wrong with that. I don`t think that`s a negative thing.
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SIMONIAN: I kind of like that he likes to wear skirts, actually. To each his own. Go, Marc, right? All right. The SHOWBIZ fashion frenzy continues all week long on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT.
Tuesday, "Hot for Hilfiger" -- that`s Tommy Hilfiger. Wednesday, inside the iconic American fashion label, J. Crew. Thursday, the woman who dresses everyone, from Cameron Diaz to Lindsay Lohan, celebrity stylist and reality star, Rachel Zoe.
It`s all leading up to Alina Cho`s spectacular special, "Fashion: Backstage Pass" this Saturday at 2:30 p.m. on CNN.
I still have to see George Clooney in a skirt, but he`s stepping out with a new lady love. Elisabetta, who? George reveals his new girlfriend for the very first time in public.
Who is this blond beauty and what`s the big "Dancing with the Stars" connection? We`re going to tell you, coming up.
SIMONIAN: And you`ve got to see this -- Demi Moore in the buff on Twitter. Talk about a striptease. The SHOWBIZ Flashpoint -- is nude Demi oh, so sexy, or oh, so TMI? This is SHOWBIZ TONIGHT on HLN news and views.
And this is the "SHOWBIZ News Ticker" -- more stories from the SHOWBIZ TONIGHT newsroom making news tonight.
TEXT: "Sex and the City" prequel series heading to the CW Network.
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HAMMER: Showbiz trending tonight. A lot of buzz surrounding the great Sarah Jessica Parker`s much anticipated new movie. It`s called "I don`t Know How She Does It." It opens up on Friday.
You can relate to this, Jill. She plays working mom who juggles all of the complexities of life and that leads to a lot of hilarious moments. Take a look at this.
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SARAH JESSICA PARKER, ACTRESS: Instead of sleeping, I do the list. Number one, take Emily to school.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I am so jealous you get to look nice all day. We just frump around at the park.
PARKER: Number two, keep my head above water at work.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hey, you`re running a little late this morning.
PARKER: I have two choices here -- the man`s excuse, bad traffic, downed power lines, faulty carburetor. Or -- mammogram.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh.
PARKER: Number three, spend more time with Richard.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You must be completely exhausted.
PARKER: Not completely.
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HAMMER: Our own super mom is in the house today, Jill Simonian. Jill, of course, is a working mom. She juggles it all.
And if you want to know how this fine lady does it, well, she writes this great blog. It`s incredibly popular. It`s called the "FabMom.com." What are some of the juicy topics on the blog?
SIMONIAN: Oh, it`s so juicy trying to do it all, right? I basically write about all typical things that new moms go through. And I started the blog about a year ago when my baby was born just to kind of keep myself laughing.
One of the things I also talk about is what will happen at home before I maybe go in to interview Justin Timberlake or Tom Hanks. And there`s, you know, a few little wild escapade stories there that give me a giggle and give some of my readers a giggle, so it`s a lot of fun.
HAMMER: Did you bring my favorite excerpt along?
SIMONIAN: I did. I did.
HAMMER: According to Dr. Jill -- she writes about her daughter who she refers to as Lady P. And I`d like you to read this one.
SIMONIAN: OK. Lady P is the nickname. Here we go -- interpretive reading, although -- this is on the blog, of course, "Although I was warned many, many months ago about the impending stench of Lady P`s diapers once she started eating real solid food, I had no idea what I was in for."
"Can you say toxic waste? Hello. What used to be no big deal has now turned into a huge ordeal that I dread several times a day," meaning dealing with her diaper changes. So guess, what A.J. You want to know what I do now to deal with this?
HAMMER: Of course.
SIMONIAN: All right. Director Charles, I think we have a picture of this. Can we show the photo? Yes, there we go.
HAMMER: Perfect.
SIMONIAN: See, I borrowed -- one of the perks of being married to a doctor -- I borrowed one of my husband`s surgical masks. It`s my saving grace. It keeps me from gagging and keeps my little girl giggling. It`s a win-win for everybody.
HAMMER: Great. The blog is terrific.
SIMONIAN: Thanks, A.J.
HAMMER: It is the "FabMom.com." But now, we`ve got to move to the SHOWBIZ lineup. Here`s what`s coming up at the bottom of the hour on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT.
A Lohan face feud. Did Lindsay Lohan`s 17-year-old sister go under the knife? We have got the answer.
And Hulkamania versus little people?
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HOGAN: Get ready for the next big thing!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hey, down here!
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HAMMER: Hulk back in the ring with micro wrestlers. The big question, will you watch? This is SHOWBIZ TONIGHT on HLN news and views.
Here`s the "SHOWBIZ News Ticker" -- more stories from the SHOWBIZ TONIGHT newsroom making news tonight.
TEXT: Steven Soderbergh`s "Contagion" wins weekend box office with $23.1 million. Wendy Williams lands first post-roast interview with Charlie Sheen.
HAMMER: Big news breaking tonight on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT -- Demi`s new nude tweet. It`s just the latest provocative pic from the 48-year-old. The SHOWBIZ Flashpoint -- is naked Demi so sexy or so TMI?
The big debate over Lindsay Lohan`s little sister. These brand-new pictures causing a face feud. So did Ali Lohan get plastic surgery?
And Hulk Hogan and the micro-wrestler. You`re not going to believe it.
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HOGAN: Get ready for the next big thing!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hey, down here!
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HAMMER: Hulkster is mentoring America`s best new group of wrestlers who are all under four feet tall. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT wants to know, are you going to watch or is this reality madness?
ANNOUNCER: TV`s most provocative entertainment news show continues right now.
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HAMMER: Welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. It is 30 minutes past the hour. I`m A.J. Hammer in New York.
SIMONIAN: I`m Jill Simonian with big news breaking tonight -- Charlie Sheen on fire. Charlie was roasted, pan-seared and basically eviscerated by his closest friends at Comedy Central`s roast of Charlie Sheen.
HAMMER: And nothing -- I`m talking the drugs, the prostitutes, jail, domestic violence -- nothing was off limits. Of course, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT was right there for all of it last night in Los Angeles.
I`m talking stars like William Shatner, Mike Tyson, Amy Schumer taking no prisoners. And as Charlie headed in, of course, he stopped to speak with SHOWBIZ TONIGHT and told us he never thought twice about getting roasted to a crisp.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Were you at all reluctant to agree to do to do this?
CHARLIE SHEEN, ACTRESS: No, not really. It made sense right from Jump Street, you know?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What have you learned?
SHEEN: What have I learned? You`ve got like six hours? Interview later. Yes. Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Got a show to do.
SHEEN: One thing I learned is just don`t take everything so personally, which applies to tonight.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Anything off limits tonight, Charlie?
SHEEN: No. No.
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HAMMER: He wasn`t kidding at all. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT bringing you the very first look right now. There was this from comedian Jeffrey Ross.
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JEFFREY ROSS, COMEDIAN: Charlie`s never lonely, don`t worry. I`ve been up to that house. I can tell you Charlie is stockpiling whores up there. The place is packed with whores. Charlie, you should be on "Hoarders."
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HAMMER: Perfect. You`ve got to love it. Now, Sean Kanan from "The Young and the Restless" is here with us tonight in New York. This roast is airing next Monday, which is the same night that "Two and a Half Men" makes its debut with Charlie`s replacement, Ashton Kutcher.
Look, Sean, Charlie`s had a terrible year. A lot of people, myself included, have basically written him off. However, I do feel that allowing himself to look so bad is going to make him look pretty good to a lot of people.
SEAN KANAN, ACTOR: I don`t know. I think that maybe from the outset, this seems like a good idea doing this. But after two hours of getting ripped to shreds by these comedians, I hope Charlie doesn`t find himself covered in tiger`s blood and losing.
HAMMER: Yes. I don`t know. Actually, he said he`s not going to use the term "winning" anymore because as far as he is concerned, he won. Don`t know about that, Charlie.
Everybody, however, talking about how great Charlie looked last night. All that warlock and goddess stuff seems to be a thing of the past, let`s hope.
His friends like his "Major League" co-star, Corbin Bernsen, told SHOWBIZ TONIGHT that Charlie Sheen is back in a big way. Let`s look at Corbin.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you think Charlie can make a comeback?
CORBIN BERNSEN, ACTOR: Yes, absolutely. Charlie is a very talented guy. When we were doing "Major League," I said to him -- I gave him a book, a play. It was called "A Hatful of Rain."
And I said, "You should do stage. You should be in front of people. You`d enjoy that." And then he went on to, you know, do sitcoms. He just told me it was sort of an influence.
It`s a city of second, third, fourth, fifth chances, you know, unless you die. That`s it. He has two options, really. I only see two things for him -- death or a new success.
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HAMMER: Yes. I don`t know. The jury`s still kind of out on that for me, too. Let me share another slice of the roast with you right here. This is coming from William Shatner, the great Bill Shatner.
He said, "May I suggest to you, Charlie, that you reexamine your relations with women? First of all, one should always be a gentleman. With a lady, you know, would it can kill you to open a door for her before you lock her in the closet?"
Let me bring in Alexis Bellino of the "The Real Housewives of Orange County."
Alexis, Bill Shatner also told Charlie that he should book his next rehab stay through "PriceLine.com." I actually thought that was absolutely priceless. Of course, Bill being a spokesperson for that organization.
ALEXIS BELLINO, REALITY TV STAR, "THE REAL HOUSEWIVES OF ORANGE COUNTY": Yes.
HAMMER: Look, I will never discount the possibility of another rehab stay for somebody with a past like Charlie`s, of course. But does it seem to you that maybe Charlie could finally have gotten his act together here?
BELLINO: That`s so hard for me to actually believe that, but I hope that. I mean, obviously, I`m a positive person. I hope that. But I mean, he so -- he seems like he`s in a totally different world, because he`s like, "This is a celebration of my life."
How can you celebrate life filled with drugs and prostitutes and losing your children and divorces. Maybe so. Let`s hope -- Charlie, come on. You can do it.
HAMMER: Yes. I mean, look, along the way, we`ve been pulling for him. We`re happy he hasn`t wound up dead which, quite frankly, a lot of people thought that was a sure possibility with everything that was going on with his implosion this past year.
When all was said and done, it seems that Charlie did get the last laugh. Here`s what he said, "I did porn stars. I did drugs. I had my own television show."
"And then I did one thing that everyone in America wishes they could do. I told my boss to (EXPLETIVE DELETED) off. This roast may be over, but I`m Charlie Sheen, and in here burns an eternal fire. I just have to remember to keep it away from a crack pipe."
Perfect and great that he`s self-effacing, Jill, you know, making fun of himself.
SIMONIAN: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) words from Charlie.
HAMMER: Yes, making fun of himself. But again, as I said, the jury is still out for me. Does this in any way make you feel like his appeal will be coming back?
SIMONIAN: You know, I`d like to think yes, but my gut is going to say no. I think we saw so much with the circus that happened right after he, you know, stopped working on "Two and a Half Men," that people frankly might be a little tired of the whole act.
And frankly, I kind of think that this roast, although it`s going to be entertaining, might be enabling a lifestyle that is not a good choice.
HAMMER: Well, and an ego, I guess.
SIMONIAN: Yes. All right, A.J, I`ve got to move on now to a big Hulk Hogan story involving little people. Hulk`s got his hands full with a new reality TV show about pro wrestlers who are all less than four feet tall.
Yes, it`s called "Hulk Hogan`s Micro-Championship Wrestling." And it debuts Wednesday on our sister network, Tru-TV. And we`ve got this first look today.
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HOGAN: I`ve traveled the world looking for the meanest, strongest (UNINTELLIGIBLE) there is. And now, I`ve found it. Get ready for the next big thing!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hey, down here!
ANNOUNCER: "Hulk Hogan`s Micro-Championship Wrestling."
HOGAN: Don`t call it a miniseries.
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SIMONIAN: All right. I`m glad to see that Hulk hasn`t lost his sense of humor, because -- after all he has been through, of course, you cannot blame the guy.
Sean, Hulk has been through the reality ringer with his family imploding, controversy -- you name it. But wrestling is what he does best. Are you going to watch this?
KANAN: Absolutely. Come on. I`m a Hulkamaniac from way back when. I mean, you throw that in with some little people -- who doesn`t love that? Yes, the word around Hollywood was that Hulk`s management was really sort of vacillating what his next move would be.
It was even to be "Shakespeare in the Park," working with midget wrestling. I think he wanted to (UNINTELLIGIBLE) to his fans. Hey, Hulk, God bless you, man. I`m watching.
SIMONIAN: All right. Sean`s watching. Alexis, what about you? Are you going to watch?
BELLINO: Oh, I`ll definitely tune in, especially with all the singing competitions that are constantly on television. I will definitely tune in to Hulk Hogan`s very original idea of the little wrestling.
SIMONIAN: A.J., and you?
HAMMER: Will I be watching?
SIMONIAN: Are you watching?
HAMMER: Well, you know, here`s the thing. And look, we were pretty tough on Hulk when he was going through all this drama. Some of the stuff he said seemed wildly inappropriate at the time --
SIMONIAN: Correct.
HAMMER: When his son was in jail and they`re plotting the next big reality thing. I am a believer in second chances. I, like you, my friend Sean -- I was a big Hulkamania fan and I was totally into it, so I get it.
I`m not sure that his options really were only "Shakespeare in the Park" or wrestling -- I don`t know. I don`t know.
SIMONIAN: He`s watching. I know he`s watching.
HAMMER: I`ll tell you what I`m going to do. I`m going to set the DVR --
KANAN:
HAMMER: And then I`ll make the decision. we wish the guy the best. I`m keeping my options open. Sean, great to see you. Sean Kanan, thank you so much. Alexis Bellino, thank you as well.
Don`t forget to get Sean`s great new book. It is "The Modern Gentleman: Cooking and Entertaining with Sean Kanan." It`s on sale everywhere tomorrow.
SIMONIAN: And what`s going on with Lindsay Lohan`s little sister? Just why does she look so different in these pictures? SHOWBIZ TONIGHT dares to ask, did Ali just get cosmetic surgery?
HAMMER: All right. Are you excited to see this? I know I am. It`s Demi Moore`s nude tweet where she`s wearing nothing at all except her naughty pair of sunglasses. Of course, it`s not the first -- it`s not the 48- year-old`s first provocative tweet.
We`ve got a big debate tonight -- do people want more or less of Moore? This is SHOWBIZ TONIGHT on HLN news and views.
It is time for the "SHOWBIZ News Ticker" -- more stories from the SHOWBIZ TONIGHT newsroom making news tonight.
TEXT: "Spartacus" star, Andy Whitfield succumbs to lymphoma at 39. Reality star, Kate Gosselin, debuts her new Web site on "Today" show.
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KATE GOSSELIN, REALITY TV STAR: "KatePlusMy8.com" goes live today as a place where fans can go and follow us so we`re just sort of not ended.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hilarious. He would never have the balls to say that if his friends weren`t there. I bet (UNINTELLIGIBLE) Miami, too.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If I ran home crying every time I was fat-shamed, I`d never leave the house. I`m not going to let those cave men ruin my day.
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SIMONIAN: Welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. I`m Jill Simonian in New York. We`re going to talk to the ladies about the new show, "Big Sexy," I just a moment. But first, to SHOWBIZ photo fury.
Two brand-new photos kicking up a very big controversy today for very different reasons. First up, check out this brand-new photo of Lindsay Lohan`s little sister Ali revealed today.
They say a picture is worth a thousand words but this new photo has people asking questions about whether or not Ali, who is just 17, got plastic surgery.
Next up, Demi Moore`s buff bod in the buff. The 48-year-old star just tweeted a revealing picture of herself. So here`s the SHOWBIZ Flashpoint -- oh so sexy or oh so TMI? We will discuss.
With me right now, the stars of the hit show, "Big Sexy," Nikki Gomez and Leslie Medlik. Welcome, ladies.
All right. I`ve got to kick things off with Demi Moore tweeting the neighborhood photo of herself. I personally think that she needs to stop trying to catch up with husband Ashton Kutcher going naked.
Of course, you remember, we just saw him do a promo, a naked promo on "Ellen" in the buff. And he also did the publicity photo for "Two and a Half Men" naked. But for Demi, I`m kind of thinking this is TMI.
Leslie, to our SHOWBIZ Flashpoint, what do you think? Sexy or TMI?
LESLIE MEDLIK, REALITY TV STAR, "BIG SEXY": You know what? I think it`s sexy because at least it`s not a crotch shot. But you know what? I think it`s a little bit, I think, of a cry for attention.
SIMONIAN: Yes, good point. It could be worse, but, yes, it is a cry for attention. What do you think? Do you think -- Nikki, too sexy?
NIKKI GOMEZ, REALITY TV STAR, "BIG SEXY": I think, at this point, it`s TMI. She is gorgeous. She`s sexy. We know it. She`s gorgeous for an older woman. Everything is in the right place. We don`t need for her to keep proving it to us.
SIMONIAN: Demi, you`re already beautiful, right?
GOMEZ: Demi, you`re gorgeous, just so you know. Let it be. We know.
SIMONIAN: You`re gorgeous. We`ve got it. We`ve got it.
GOMEZ: We know.
SIMONIAN: All right. I got to move on now to another big photo flap today, a brand-new photo of Lindsay Lohan`s little sister Ali looking dramatically different from just a few months ago.
I want to be really sensitive about this because she is underage and I want to believe that she did not go under the knife and this is just one of those cases of her teenage body changing and her face changing.
She definitely looks like she lost weight but her face does look drastically different, you can`t deny that. Leslie, are people making too much of these photos? Should we even be concerned?
MEDLIK: Well, we should be concerned because, as you mentioned, this is somebody who is underage, right? So our concern should be, do we have somebody, who is not even an adult yet, getting plastic surgery?
If we do, oh, my god. I hope that that`s not true. I mean, she does look drastically different. But if these are changes that naturally happened to her, hey, I`m going to love her no matter what she looks like.
SIMONIAN: Right. Well, the photo has sparked a frenzy tonight. And SHOWBIZ did receive this statement from Ali`s spokesperson. It says, "Ali has never had any type of plastic surgery in her life nor has she ever considered it."
"Her success as a model lies with her natural looks and she has no interest in changing that. During the past two years, she has gone through a normal teenage growth spurt that has made her taller and slimmer."
"It also has slightly changed the composure of her face, all of which is typical of what happens to kids in their mid-to-late teens. It`s what most people refer to as the awkward stage. It`s growing up, that`s all." Nikki, do you think this photo fury is much ado about nothing?
GOMEZ: I think potentially it`s much ado about nothing. I understand the concern, but at the same time, I know it`s from a model`s perspective in modeling. I look different in other pictures.
There are some pictures where people ask me if I`m wearing contacts, or, you know, if I did something different to face or if I lost weight. It really can be angles. I think we just need more pictures to really know.
SIMONIAN: I agree. I agree. Now, I do want to get to the show. Congratulations on your new reality show, TLC`s "Big Sexy." And just a moment ago, we showed a scene where you ladies were actually getting razzed by a guy sitting with his friends. He shouted out the word "heavy." Let`s watch what happened.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hilarious. He would never have the balls to say that if his friends weren`t there. I bet (UNINTELLIGIBLE) Miami, too.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If I ran home crying every time I was fat-shamed, I`d never leave the house. I`m not going to let those cave men ruin my day.
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SIMONIAN: I love the fact -- I love the fact that this guy`s comment just rolled off your back. No sweat. What do you want people to get from this show?
MEDLIK: Yes. From the show, in general, what I want them to get is that we need to stop listening to these messages from society and from the media telling us that we`re not good enough. Whether we way 100 pounds or 200 pounds, either way, women need to say, "We`re beautiful how we are."
We`re going to quit chasing a number on the scale and be ourselves. We have so much more to do with our lives than just worry about our weight.
SIMONIAN: Exactly. Exactly. And to that point, Nikki, on the show, we see you try on a bikini for the very first time.
GOMEZ: Yes.
SIMONIAN: You did this whole glamorous photo shoot. I mean, bravo, first of all. But the thing that struck me was that you did it standing next to a very, very skinny girl. Any hesitation to put yourself out there like that?
GOMEZ: Honestly, it wasn`t the hesitation of standing next to a thinner model. It was more the fact that I`ve never worn a bikini ever.
SIMONIAN: Wow.
GOMEZ: And you know, you constantly see things where they say, "OK, you need a perfect bikini body," and how to get the perfect bikini body. So I just assumed, oh, my god. What if I don`t have the perfect bikini body? You know, and I was freaking out.
SIMONIAN: But it doesn`t matter. It doesn`t matter at all. Bravo to you.
GOMEZ: Thank you.
SIMONIAN: Exactly. All right. Nikki Gomez, Leslie Medlik, thank you so much for joining us. And you can catch the season finale of "Big Sexy" tomorrow night on TLC.
HAMMER: As we move on tonight, Bieber`s big wedding plans. SHOWBIZ reveals why the 17-year-old sensation can`t wait to get to the altar. Also, Amy Winehouse`s dad exclusively talks on Anderson Cooper`s brand-new daytime talk show. We`ve got that and more in "The Buzz Today."
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(voice-over) Winehouse`s last days revealed. In an exclusive interview with CNN`s Anderson Cooper, Amy Winehouse`s dad, Mitch, says his daughter had been off drugs for years, but it was alcohol that played a part ending Amy`s life.
MITCH WINEHOUSE, AMY WINEHOUSE`S FATHER: I keep going on about the fact she hadn`t taken drugs for three years. Everyone thought I was in denial. I wasn`t in denial. She hadn`t taken drugs. She`d been clean from drugs for three years, right about three years.
ANDERSON COOPER, HOST, "ANDERSON": So the problem was really alcohol in the last years of her life?
M. WINEHOUSE: It was alcohol the last few years of her life.
HAMMER: Watch the entire interview with Amy Winehouse`s family on Cooper`s brand-new syndicated talk show, "Anderson."
Baby, oh baby. Bieber wants babies? That`s right. The "Baby" singer just told "Women`s Wear Daily" that he has big plans for the future and they include children.
When asked where he sees himself in five years, the 17-year-old said, "I want to be a young dad. I want to be able to have done what I wanted to do to be successful, to do a movie or whatever. But if the time is right, I definitely want to be married by 25."
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SIMONIAN: And has George Clooney finally found the one? There he is, stepping out with his brand-new flame, Stacy Keibler at the Toronto Film Festival. Plus, why is his love life so tangled up with "Dancing with the Stars"? You`ve got to see this. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT on HLN news and views.
Time now for the "SHOWBIZ News Ticker" -- these are more stories from the SHOWBIZ TONIGHT newsroom making news tonight.
TEXT: Sunday night football earns best ratings in 15 years. "Top Gun" to be released in theaters in new 3-D version.
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TOM CRUISE, ACTOR: My options, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: First you`ve acquired enough points to show up tomorrow and graduate with your top 10 class, but you could quit.
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SIMONIAN: Welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. I`m Jill Simonian in New York.
HAMMER: And I`m A.J. Hammer. Jill, we have big news in the world of Hollywood romance to talk about tonight. I want you to take a look at this -- it`s George Clooney going public with his new girlfriend. That`s Stacy Keibler right there.
SHOWBIZ TONIGHT just spotted the pair just stepping out of the Toronto Film Festival. SHOWBIZ producer, J.D. Cargill joins us now from Toronto via Web cam with all the brand-new details.
All right. So J.D., we know that George just split up with Elisabetta Canalis not that long ago. She`s about to join the cast of "Dancing with the Stars."
And now, we see George getting all cozy with his new squeeze, Stacy Keibler. We know Stacy is a former "Dancing" star herself. When is with Clooney dating dancing obsession, J.D.? I need to know.
J.D. CARGILL, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT PRODUCER: That`s the burning question, right? What is it about George Clooney and dancers that get him going so much?
So yes, you know, it was after I revealed, when I announced the cast of "Dancing with the Stars" and talking to Elisabetta who couldn`t be a lovelier person, and the same could be said about Stacy. Couldn`t be a lovelier person.
So it may be less that there`s "Dancing" connection and more of the fact that he`s attracted and drawn to women who have really stunning personalities.
HAMMER: Got it. And they, of course, Stacy Keibler and George met apparently at a party back in 2006 when Stacy was on "Dancing." But how cozy are they getting in Toronto, J.D.? Are they canoodling?
CARGILL: You used my word, "canoodling." Oh, no. I was supposed to say that. All right. Here`s the thing -- they were spotted last night arm in arm at one of these Toronto Film Festival after-parties.
I can`t say I was there personally, but, you know, George is a man of many talents. One of them is not keeping his personal life super-private because he`s George Clooney.
HAMMER: Yes. Right.
CARGILL: Anywhere the guy goes, people are going to be following him. And so they were seen near the Toronto Film Festival. What better place to be romantic than a city filled with wonderful people and so many great movies. So I`m so glad that George is having a good time.
HAMMER: You were happy for him. All right. J.D., got to wrap it there. Go have some fun. Thanks.
SIMONIAN: All right. From George to Madonna, could it be Madonna in a new silent movie making fun of herself?
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TEXT: You have no idea how many nights I have lost thinking how I hurt you? Words cannot express how sorry I am to think I may have caused you pain.
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SIMONIAN: Did you see this? Madonna`s attempt to make amends for that hydrangea controversy. Does she still loathe them?
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HAMMER: Tonight, SHOWBIZ trending -- Madonna versus the hydrangeas. This is round two. Remember last week Madonna made a snotty remark when a fan gave her a bouquet of flowers? Well, now Madonna is making fun of the whole incident in a silent film. Check it out.
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TEXT: If I could take back my words, I would, but I can`t so what am I left with? I`m left with the fact I still hate hydrangeas! And I will always hate them! It`s a free country. So (EXPLETIVE DELETED) you. I like roses!
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HAMMER: All right. Good for you, Madonna, for making fun of yourself. Don`t think it makes up for the original behavior, if you ask me. That is it for SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. I`m A.J. Hammer.
SIMONIAN: And I`m Jill Simonian.
HAMMER: Keep in mind you can get SHOWBIZ TONIGHT exclusively Monday through Friday at 11:00 p.m. Eastern and Pacific right here on HLN.
And stay right here for "DR. DREW" coming up next. Tonight, the family of Yale University student found dead in a lab just days before her wedding. And that starts right now on HLN.
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