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`SHOWBIZ Reality Secrets: Fashion Frenzy`; Kris Humphries Seeks Annulment; Interview with T.I.

Aired December 01, 2011 - 23:00   ET

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A.J. HAMMER, CO-HOST (voice-over): Big news breaking tonight on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. The Kardashian fraud wars. Kris Humphries`s explosive new claim today that his marriage to Kim Kardashian was a fraud. Was Kris just a pawn in Kim`s reality game?

KIM KARDASHIAN, REALITY TV STAR: We hate each other. Every last thing annoys me.

HAMMER: Tonight, Kim K. fires back. Our "SHOWBIZ Flashpoint," whose side are you on?

SHOWBIZ Fashion frenzy. Tyra Banks never-before-heard secrets behind her "Top Model" empire.

TYRA BANKS, "AMERICA`S NEXT TOP MODEL": I can see what other shows are doing. I know those tricks.

HAMMER: Tonight, Tyra reveals to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT her secret to staying on top of her reality throne. We are one on one with Tyra Banks for a must-see "SHOWBIZ Newsmaker" interview.

Tough questions for T.I. about his controversial claim that gays overreact to homophobic jokes, and why he says it is not gays, but the black community too. T.I. speaks out in another headline-making "SHOWBIZ Newsmaker" interview.

TV`s most provocative entertainment show breaks news right now.

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HAMMER: Hello. I`m A.J. Hammer in New York. And we`ve got big news breaking tonight. The Kardashian fraud wars, and let the mud slinging begin. Oh, wait, it has begun. Tonight Kris Humphries has reportedly claimed that his marriage to Kim Kardashian was a fraud. Well, wait again. Isn`t that what so many other people have been claiming ever since Kim filed for divorce after just 72 days of non-wedded bliss?

Well, well, how about that? Kris has just legally responded to Kim`s divorce filing by filing for an annulment and SHOWBIZ TONIGHT is right here to tell you that you can bet this is going to get a whole lot nastier before it is all over.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Kris, this is a day you have long waited for.

HAMMER (voice-over): It was the wedding of the year, watched by 4 million TV viewers and tons of celebrities. But now if Kris Humphries has his way, it would be as if his big wedding and short marriage to Kim Kardashian never happened at all.

DAX HOLT, PRODUCER, TMZ: He is now filing for an annulment in this marriage.

KRIS HUMPHRIES, BASKETBALL PLAYER: You are my wife. It`s going to take a lot to get rid of me.

HAMMER: SHOWBIZ TONIGHT has confirmed that Kim`s short-time husband Kris Humphries is asking the court to nullify his marriage to Kim instead of granting the straight-up divorce that Kim has filed for. That means Kris doesn`t just want his marriage to Kim ended, he wants his time in the Kardashian family erased from existence.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you think you should really (INAUDIBLE) really have to run to the bathroom when you are done?

HAMMER: I can`t say we blame him.

HOLT: He feels like he has been defrauded by Kim Kardashian.

HAMMER: TMZ`s Dax Holt tells SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, Kris Humphries reportedly is seeking an annulment on the grounds of fraud.

HOLT: Sources close to Kris are telling us that basically he feels like he was used. That he was a pawn. That he loved Kim from the very beginning. That he legitimately wanted this marriage to work out. The sources near Kris are saying that Kim married him simply for a TV show. That`s the long and short of it. That he feels like he was used for huge ratings on a huge television show and now that the TV show is done, he`s left on the curb.

HAMMER: TMZ reports Kris`s side feels they have a smoking gun in the "Kim married for her TV show" theory, Kim`s own blog statement shortly after she filed for divorce where she explains she went through with the marriage because, "I got caught up in the hoopla and the filming of the TV show."

HOLT: This helps to prove his case that the marriage was all for a TV show.

HAMMER: If Kris really does feel like Kim staged a fake marriage, he wouldn`t be the only one. In the month since she abruptly filed for divorce, just 72 days after their wedding, Kim had to deal with a huge backlash and claims that she duped fans with a sham reality show wedding.

KARDASHIAN: I married for love.

HAMMER: Days after she left Kris, Kim directly tried to smack down those fake marriage claims on Australian TV.

KARDASHIAN: Anyone that would get married for a TV show, it`s just ridiculous and just sad that I even have to even defend that.

HAMMER: And even though Kim hasn`t responded directly to Kris`s annulment request, here she is sticking to her "I married for love" story.

HOLT: Sources close to Kim are telling us that she was in this for the long haul, that she loved but things just got rocky once they moved in with each other.

HAMMER: So Kris wants an annulment and Kim wants a divorce. Could this all lead to an epic court fight, one that lasts way longer than 72 days?

HOLT: This divorce is not going to be easy one. I can see this ending up taking months and months and months.

HAMMER: So that`s the dilemma, should this marriage end or should it be wiped from memory? Elisabeth Hasselbeck from "The View" stated her preference this morning.

ELISABETH HASSELBECK, CO-HOST, "THE VIEW": Can I get in on this? Not from my marriage, from their marriage. I want an annulment like it never happened.

HAMMER: Elisabeth has a point, if a court ends up letting Kris say that this side show of a marriage never existed, well, maybe the rest of us should get that right, too. Yes.

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HAMMER: Well, you can certainly call it the incredible disappearing marriage. You wouldn`t be wrong there. With me here in New York, TV and radio host Michael Billy, joining me from Hollywood tonight; attorney Debra Opri.

OK. So, Kris wants an annulment because he reportedly feels Kim used him as a temporary husband character on her reality show. Right there in the credits, can you imagine if it said "temporary husband character, Kris Humphries"?

Michael, if Kris really does feel this way, I can`t say I blame him at all in any way one bit.

MICHAEL BILLY, TV & RADIO HOST: No, who would? I mean, this guy, I called it from the beginning. I don`t think he had anything to do with it. I think anyone who thinks Kim Kardashian was genuine about this has a bag over their head.

This guy was led off of a cliff like a golden retriever following a trail of Snausages. He doesn`t know. I believe him. I`m on team Kris Humphries. I`m on team Humphries right now.

HAMMER: And the Snausages, quite frankly, they`re like magnets, so that was a pretty good analogy there.

BILLY: Thank you.

HAMMER: Now Kris reportedly wants that annulment because he feels Kim duped him into marrying her. Kim wants a divorce and she has repeatedly insisted she did marry for love despite what Michael Billy may think.

But, Debra Opri, please help me understand this, divorce, annulment, what difference does it make how these two split up?

DEBRA OPRI, ATTORNEY: It makes a big difference because if there is no marriage and there is no divorce, there`s no spousal support. So annulment is a biggie. What we need to understand is that there is probably a strategy war going on here.

If it is true that they both consulted with an attorney and were advised an annulment won`t work and you are wasting time if it is denied. She files for the divorce, he comes back and says, no, annulment, the annulment gets denied on a lack of proof because, face it, to prove fraud, even in an annulment, it`s very difficult burden of proof.

So if the annulment gets kicked, they still have the divorce short- term, 72 days. As far as the marital claims by Kim, as a divorce attorney, I would say that 72 days is the strongest evidence going against her for entering into a marriage that she wanted to work and it`s going to help him, period.

HAMMER: It will very be very interesting to see how that works. Although if spousal support is eliminated by an annulment, I can`t help but think, well, then he won`t get any money and I would think he would want to get money because I would think she would be the one paying out, but I digress, Debra. How do you think the saga will end, with a divorce or annulment? I mean, is that 72-day thing strong enough?

OPRI: It`s going to be a divorce. They are not going to go through the hoops to prove in a trial fraud. I think there`s going to be a settlement. I think he is basically negotiating to get whatever properties he wants to get. I think there is a pre-nup. The pre-nup will govern, but maybe she will entice him a little bit more with walking away. It will get settled like most Hollywood divorces are.

HAMMER: And do I have that right, Debra, pre-nup aside, as far as spousal support is concerned, her being really the primary breadwinner, he would be getting the money, wouldn`t he?

OPRI: Not necessarily, the pre-nup governs. I mean, if there is a period of time by which they had to stay married in order for this to generate any spousal support, but, you know, let`s face it, a two-and-half month marriage, who expects what? Mr. Jefferies (ph), don`t expect anything.

HAMMER: Good point. Good point. Now listen, while Kris and Kim are squabbling over their breakup, everybody is talking about someone else who is beefing with the Kardashian, James Bond himself. Daniel Craig in a brand new interview in the British GQ, he actually calls the Kardashians, well, essentially, "f-ing idiots," and he suggests they don`t deserve privacy, because they sold it for their reality show.

So when we asked in our SHOWBIZ TONIGHT exclusive poll whether Daniel Craig has got that right, wow. Look at the results just in late today. Yes, 93 percent agreed with Craig. And look at this, this is pretty funny, 7 percent disagreed with 007, 7 percent. Kind of funny it worked out that way. Why do you think, Michael, it has struck a chord with people, Daniel Craig`s Kardashian slam?

BILLY: Look, a lot of people are upset about the marriage. We know that. Like I`ve said before, gay marriage is a huge issue right now. A lot of people feel frauded by this. A lot of people want an annulment from the marriage all together.

So everybody is on board with this to back Kris and how he feels. We`re upset, we`re annoyed, and anybody who is willing to speak out against the Kardashian machine, I think, has all the more power to them.

HAMMER: Yes, and I think when you hear somebody like Daniel Craig, who ordinarily doesn`t have a lot to say about these things, speaking about it so passionately, it does say something.

BILLY: I know. What is 007 doing with social media?

OPRI: A.J..

HAMMER: Michael Billy and Debra Opri, I`ve got to end it there. But thank you.

OPRI: Shake her, shake her, don`t stir.

HAMMER: All right. That`s what we will do.

Tonight, I put some tough questions to T.I. about his controversial claim that gays overreact to homophobic jokes and why he says it is not just gays but the black community, too. Wait until you hear what he said, T.I. right here to speak out in a headline-making "SHOWBIZ Newsmaker" interview.

Coming up later, on a special edition of SHOWBIZ TONIGHT at the bottom of the hour, "SHOWBIZ Reality Secrets: Fashion Frenzy." Wait until you hear Tyra Bank`s ultimate "Top Model" secrets.

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BANKS: You know, "Top Model" is very difficult. People watch it on TV, and then they go, oh, I want to be on that show so badly. And then they come on the show, and they`re like, this is fabulous, look at this house, wow. Then they get a photo shoot and are like, it sucks.

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HAMMER: SHOWBIZ TONIGHT taking you behind the catwalk with Tyra Banks in another must see "SHOWBIZ Newsmaker" interview.

And the secrets to scouting. This is so cool. Cindy Crawford`s one- time right-hand man revealing to me what it takes to make it. This is SHOWBIZ TONIGHT on HLN news and views.

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T.I., RAPPER: You know, after so many false starts and stops, I`m finally walking into the career for the first time and it`s a feeling that words cannot describe.

Are you happy to see your daddy?

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HAMMER: That is rapper and now TV star T.I. in the all new VH-1 docu- series "T.I. & Tiny: The Family Hustle." Well, T.I. is right here tonight for a "SHOWBIZ Newsmaker" interview, and get set because he is putting all out there and letting us in on some of the most private moments of his life.

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HAMMER: Welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. I`m A.J. Hammer in New York. Tonight, "T.I. Unplugged." You know T.I. is an unbelievably talented, Grammy award-winning rap star, who is making a big transition in his life now. He has put prison behind him and now we are just a few days away from his incredibly revealing new docu series, it`s all about his personal life, it`s called "T.I. & Tiny: The Family Hustle." It debuts Monday night on VH-1. T.I. joining me in New York for "SHOWBIZ Newsmaker" interview.

Great to have you back. I appreciate you being here, man.

T.I.: Right on, man. Lovely to be here.

HAMMER: And we are going to talk about your new docu series in just a moment. I definitely want to take another look at that. You have been making some pretty big news this week with another interview that you did. You spoke with Vibe magazine. And there is one part of the article in particular that caught some major headlines. I want to get.

T.I.: And taken mostly -- completely out of context.

HAMMER: And that`s what I was wondering. Let me read what you said and then let`s set the record straight on it because I`m not sure you got the right justice here and how it was interpreted. But here`s what you said or what they reported that you said.

"They`re like" -- and by the way, this is in reaction to Tracy Morgan`s homophobic rant during a standup comedy show where you appear to suggest that the gay community overreacted. Here`s what you said.

"They`re like, if you have an opinion against us, we are going to shut you down. That`s not American. If you are gay you should have the right to be gay in peace and if you are against it, you should have the right to be against it in peace."

So I really do want to understand this, because it has been interpreted in many ways. What exactly did you mean when you said that, if that in fact is exactly how you said it?

T.I.: Yes, that`s what I said. But I was talking about a different joke than other people are relating to. And I spoke about the joke that I was actually referring to. And the point of the entire joke is, don`t take everything so serious. It`s not that serious.

Now, I`m not saying I condone the bullying, the disrespecting, the downgrading of anybody for their right to choose their lifestyle. It`s not at all what I said. I`m saying that if there is a joke made that isn`t disrespectful, that isn`t, in any way, you know -- that doesn`t say a word that derogatorily describes someone for the purpose -- because of the lifestyle they chose, then what`s wrong with that?

What`s wrong with everybody laughing at themselves a little bit?

HAMMER: Well, I think this is why this jumped out at me, because I hear what you are saying on that. But I think we are at a point in society now where when you joke about something it does send a message to some people that that is something worthy of joking about.

T.I.: OK.

HAMMER: Whatever it is. And that, to me, only perpetuates ridicule and can perpetuate the bullying that goes on.

T.I.: Well, see now, you must also understand that everyone is bullied. Bullying isn`t just going toward one section of society. Bullying is a result of the emotions evoked within the bully. Not because of the person that they choose to bully.

HAMMER: Sure.

T.I.: You know, everyone is being bullied.

HAMMER: But if you are perpetuating stereotypes and somehow giving a kid the idea that, oh, you know what, I guess how I feel about that kid who appears to be gay, I guess they kind of validate those feelings. And I think that`s the point, and especially, when we have kids killing themselves, and this is why I think people reacted so strongly, to make sure we understand what you are saying, you are not condoning jokes against gays, or you even mentioned that the black community is too sensitive as well.

T.I.: Yes, absolutely, sometimes. Sure, I think everybody, America, period. Every time something is said about a certain group or a certain -- and it could be something that`s small and minute. But why not just laugh it off? Sometimes laughter is the best medicine.

HAMMER: I couldn`t agree with you more about that. Obviously things are subject to interpretation and I`m all for freedom of speech and expression. I just -- I`m so concerned when somebody is made fun of and it perpetuates any kind of hate or disrespect towards anyone.

T.I.: I don`t -- and earlier in the article, it also says that I clarify myself by saying, I support -- I love everybody.

HAMMER: Right. You did say that.

T.I.: You know what I`m saying? It`s not in me to be anti- anything as long as you are not against me.

HAMMER: No. Listen, I think that we understand each other. Hopefully that cleared things up for people who didn`t quite understand where you were coming from. I want you to stay right where you are because there`s still more to talk about.

Big Grammy nominations were made last night. I have got to get your take on Kanye West and how he is going to handle not being nominated for album of the year.

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HAMMER: Stay right there, T.I.

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HAMMER: We`ve got to move now to supermodels superegos, super secrets, tonight, on a special edition of SHOWBIZ TONIGHT coming up at the bottom of the hour. "SHOWBIZ Reality Secrets: Fashion Frenzy." We are taking you inside the runway madness, the fights, the fashion, the absolute fury. "Project Runway" winner Chris March right here revealing all the ugly secrets of the mad, mad fashion world. This is SHOWBIZ TONIGHT on HLN news and views.

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HAMMER: Wow. That just puts a smile on my face. I don`t know about you but Lady Gaga teaming up with Sugarland, by far my favorite performance during last night`s Grammy award nomination show, seen on CBS. I was just floored by them, they brought the house down and what a night it was.

Welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, I`m A.J. Hammer in New York, back with rapper T.I. He has won three Grammys. He has been nominated an amazing 17 times. T.I. also now starring in the great new VH-1 docu series "T.I. & Tiny: The Family Hustle."

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T.I., let`s talk about Kanye West. I need your special insight on this. He got the most nominations with seven. Adele, Bruno Mars, they scored big with six nominations. I`m a little worried. What if Kanye doesn`t win anything? He doesn`t always react well in those situations.

You know, he stormed out of the AMAs. He threw a big of a fit at the MTV Movie Awards. Should we be worried or do you think he has maybe chilled out?

T.I.: Well, I will say that, for one, my initial reaction is -- or my initial answer is if he doesn`t win then there`s an incredible injustice being done. Because -- and also, there`s another incredible injustice being done by the "Watch the Throne" album not even being nominated.

HAMMER: It`s not nominated in any of what are considered the major categories. Not to diminish the rap categories, but we know there are the six major categories, not once.

T.I.: I think that the hip-hop community itself is being disrespected by the Grammys.

HAMMER: In what way?

T.I.: Because, I mean, we make up for the largest amount of revenues or the largest amount of influence on pop culture. However, we have the least significant categories. And I don`t understand how that could be so.

HAMMER: So you are saying the representation is not there. OK. Well, we will see what happens on Grammy night. Hopefully Kanye gets something, because I don`t want to see him...

T.I.: I`m sure he will.

HAMMER: I don`t want to see him get upset.

T.I.: If not, it`s going to be an injustice.

HAMMER: Great to see you, T.I.

T.I.: Likewise.

HAMMER: Make sure you check out "T.I. & Tiny: The Family Hustle." It premieres this Monday on VH-1. Check your local listings for show times.

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HAMMER: (INAUDIBLE) line-up, this is what is coming up on a special edition of SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. At the bottom of the hour, "SHOWBIZ Reality Secrets: Fashion Frenzy," Tyra Banks`s ultimate "Top Model" secrets.

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BANKS: "Top Model" was very difficult. You know, people watch it on TV and then they go, oh, I want to be on that show so badly. And then they come on the show and they`re like, this is fabulous, look at this house, wow. And then they get to a photo shoot and are like, it sucks.

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HAMMER: Tyra tells all about "Top Model," it`s a must-see "SHOWBIZ Newsmaker" interview.

Plus, secrets to getting scouted. The man behind superstar supermodels like Cindy Crawford and Stephanie Seymour revealing to us what it takes to get discovered.

SHOWBIZ TONIGHT on HLN, news and views.

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HAMMER: Now on a special edition of SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, "SHOWBIZ Reality Secrets: Fashion Frenzy." Tonight, fashion legend Tyra Banks reveals all of the surprising secrets behind her "Top Model" empire.

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BANKS: "Top Model was very difficult. People watch it on TV and then they go, oh, I want to be on the show so badly. And then they come on the show and they`re like, this is fabulous, look at this house, wow. And then they get a photo and are like, it sucks.

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HAMMER: Tyra Banks in a must-see "SHOWBIZ Newsmaker" interview.

A top fashion insider who worked with Cindy Crawford reveals the secrets behind the creation of a TV supermodel.

Plus, big fashion drama. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT exposes how reality fashion shows deal with all of those huge personalities stuffed into those tiny dresses. A special digs addition of SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, "SHOWBIZ Reality Secrets: Fashion Frenzy," starts right now.

Welcome back to this special edition of SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, "SHOWBIZ Reality Secrets: Fashion Frenzy." I`m A.J. Hammer in New York. Tonight, Tyra tells all. Tyra Banks could easily be considered royalty when it comes to reality TV. She took her supermodel success and spun it right in to a reality TV empire that a lot of people are still trying to duplicate. Tyra`s show, "America`s Next Top Model," has really become the prototype for a whole lot of shows that have followed.

Now "Top Model" is heading into the finale for its 17th cycle. It airs Wednesday on The CW. So what is Tyra`s big secret to reality TV stardom? SHOWBIZ TONIGHT`s Kareen Wynter got Tyra to reveal all her SHOWBIZ reality secrets.

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BANKS: "America`s Next Top Model is Jaslene!

JASLENE GONZALEZ, WINNER, SEASON 8, "AMERICA`S NEXT TOP MODEL": Oh my God, Tyra, thank you! Oh my God!

BANK: I think the reason why "Top Model" has been on for so long is that I push my team and my team pushes me back. You know, so I`m like, that`s the same. What can you do? I call it, "add a layer." Give me a layer to make it different.

What are people going to be talking about tomorrow at that water cooler at work or what are they going to be twittering about? Give me those moments. So I push my team, my team push me. Tyra, no, that`s boring. Or, no, that is not interesting. So, you know, we are hard on each other and I think that`s why we`re like cycle, what is this, 18.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Maybe I am angry inside! I have been through stuff! So I`m angry!

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BANKS: Be quiet (INAUDIBLE)! Be quiet!

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BANKS: Stop it!

KAREEN WYNTER, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT CORRESPONDENT: Reality TV, Tyra, these days, it gets such a bad rap. And a lot of it is scripted, staged. Is any of that for "America`s Next Top Model"?

BANKS: No. See, it is kind of hard to watch reality TV a little bit because I can see what other shows are doing in terms of scripted or in terms of something in TV that we call "coverage." It`s like, here`s a shot here, then there`s a close-up and then there`s a wide shot, and then there`s all this.

And I know in order for that scene to have been shot that way, the lines had to have been said five times. So I know those tricks. So sometimes it is kind of hard for me to watch reality TV. And then I get a little jealous. I`m like, dang, their coverage is all gorgeous and here we are chasing a girl out of the room crying, and we might have missed it because she slammed a door in my cameraman`s face and is in the bathroom and that is off-limits.

You know, so it`s like, it gets me a little jealous that these other shows get more coverage.

(WOMAN SCREAMING)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, my God! Oh, my God!

BANKS: Why are you screaming so loud?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Because you are so pretty!

WYNTER: So you give them that very big break where they go through the door. But how is it when they enter the fashion industry? Is it any easier? How are they received?

BANKS: You know, "Top Model" is very difficult. People watch it on TV and then they go, oh, I want to be on the show so badly. And then they come on the show and they are like, this is fabulous, look at this house, wow. Then they get a photo shoot and are like, it sucks. And they`re like, whoa.

Hearing that, versus seeing somebody else being told it on television, is two totally different things. So they start feeling that critique, and it is not so nice. And then say they either get very far or don`t, but still enter the real fashion industry.

It is worse. What your agent is telling you is worse than anything on "Top Model." I have certain rules of things that a judge can and cannot say to a girl on "Top Model."

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I talk probably almost at this level like when I am sitting at home.

BANKS: Have you ever had your hearing tested? Do you think that might have something to do with it?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Pardon?

BANKS: But when you go into the real world, they will say, your butt is too this, (INAUDIBLE) is too that. I mean, and it is just brutal. On top of that, leaving a reality show and doing really well on a reality show, you know, and having this supermodel look, you go into an agency and they are like, yes, we love you. You go to a client and they are like, oh, you were on "Top Model."

You know, so it is not an easy thing. So at the same time even though a lot of the girls have this stigma of being on a reality show, when they leave "America`s Next Top Model," they still do have a modeling career that they would have never had.

WYNTER: And you have been a target yourself of the media. So how do you stay grounded and be who you are but not be bashed?

BANKS: I was put on covers of all of these magazines, "America`s Next Top `Waddle,`" and "Tyra `Shanks,`" I think it was?

WYNTER: It was really hurtful.

BANKS: Yes, most -- well, when I first read it, it wasn`t that hurtful. And then I had a lot of people coming up to me and saying that it hurt them. And if they were calling me fat, then that means that what are they, because they are either my size or bigger.

So I have something to all of you that have something nasty to say about me or other women that are built like me, women that sometimes or all the time look like this, women whose names you know, women whose names you don`t, women who have been picked on, women whose husbands put them down, women at work, or girls in school, I have one thing to say to you, kiss my fat ass!

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BANKS: So I actually took the crusade on to answer the press in defense of everyone, although when I started talking and I teared up and said "kiss my fat ass," I wasn`t tearing up for every woman in the world, I was actually tearing up for myself, too.

And that`s when I realized I didn`t feel the pain physically, but there was obviously something that was affected to get an emotional response from me.

People are used to seeing me looking like this and like this and all of that.

I think it is really difficult for girls to live up to images that they see and not just in the fashion industry. It used to be that, oh, models are so skinny and girls feel like they have to live up to that. But the new epitome or the thing that embodies beauty to me today is just celebrity in general.

It is not so much models, models don`t have those household names anymore so they are not as influential. And so when young girls see these celebrities that didn`t really get much attention but then they lost 40 pounds and now they are on the cover of everything. Those types of things, those images and those messages kind of start to ingrain in you something.

I had burnout. And I have a production company but we weren`t producing anything else because I didn`t have the bandwidth to do it. And I stopped doing my talk show. And I was like, I can`t do anything else right now. Let me focus on "Top Model" and let me focus "Modelland."

But now I have a new CEO and she has helped me to understand how to delegate and empower people. So now we are expanding the production company and going to go in serious production in television for children and television for women, teens.

And I know how to do it now because it is about hiring amazing people and being, you know, there and overseeing it but not like in the trenches at 3:00 in the morning in an edit bay.

WYNTER: You were such a superstar before "America`s Top Model." You still are, but your star just keeps getting bigger. Do you sometimes.

BANKS: I want it to get less.

WYNTER: You want it to get less? Why is that?

BANKS: Yes.

WYNTER: Because you are so ambitious and there is always something you`re looking to tackle, so that`s surprising to hear.

BANKS: I want the star of me to -- you know, I don`t want to really push that so much. I really want to build my business.

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HAMMER: And you can check out the finale of "America`s Next Top Model" when it airs this Wednesday on The CW.

So exactly how do Tyra and all the other reality fashion shows find "America`s Next Top Model"? SHOWBIZ TONIGHT is blowing the lid off of reality TV`s best hidden fashion secrets. How a fashion superstar is discovered.

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MICHAEL FLUTIE, TALENT SCOUT: My name is Michael Flutie. I have spent my whole entire career scouting and developing models, Cindy Crawford, Milla Jovovich, Stephanie Seymour.

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HAMMER: I cannot wait to show you the secrets to finding the next Gisele Bundchen. And SHOWBIZ TONIGHT is revealing more startling fashion reality secrets. The genius behind megabrand Baby Phat, telling all about how she ran a fashion empire right in front of the reality TV cameras. I`m going one on one with style star Kimora Lee Simmons.

This is a special edition of SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, "SHOWBIZ Reality Secrets: Fashion Frenzy." Tyra Banks grills a super skinny contestant on "America`s Next Top Model."

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) and I`m from (INAUDIBLE).

BANKS: You have the smallest waist in the world. Look at this waist, and how tall are you?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I am 6`2".

BANKS: There is something about her that I like.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She is going to make Miss J (ph) eat Tic Tacs and watercress for the rest of the season.

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FLUTIE: Our goal is to prepare you and test you and recommend you for Scott Lipps at One Management to sign you.

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HAMMER: Oh, the excitement of plucking a beautiful face off of the street and transforming her into a supermodel. So what`s the secret formula those modeling scouts use to find the next Cindy Crawford? You are about to find out.

Welcome back to this special edition of SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, "SHOWBIZ Reality Secrets: Fashion Frenzy." I`m A.J. Hammer in New York. Tonight, fashion superstar. You know the names, Cindy Crawford, Gisele, they are names that most people know and their careers are ones that a lot of people envy.

So what exactly is the secret to finding a Cindy or Gisele? SHOWBIZ TONIGHT is about the blow the lid off this fashion mystery. And I can start by letting you in on a little secret right now, it all begins with the scout spotting a beauty at a gas station, maybe even a shopping mall, and right here in New York with me is Michael Flutie, who has managed some of the biggest fashion icons, including Cindy Crawford, Stephanie Seymour, and Milla Jovovich.

Michael also stars on E!`s reality show "Scouted." It`s great to have you here.

FLUTIE: Thank you for having me.

HAMMER: And you have worked alongside Cindy Crawford. It`s a great story of how she was discovered. She was 16 years old and she was discovered by a newspaper photographer who caught her and snapped a picture of her selling corn, really proving the point it can happen anywhere.

So, what is the secret to scouting the next supermodel?

FLUTIE: Well, I mean, I think it definitely starts everywhere. That particular photographer was a photojournalist who showed the pictures to James Stewart (ph), and then the rest is obviously history.

The secret is that you have to really understand what you are looking for. It is a very special look. It`s not that all-American girl. Cindy was discovered at a time when girls were transitioning from being classic all-American to somebody that`s very, very special. And Cindy was very special. She had that mole. She was really healthy.

America was going through a major transition in terms of women were becoming very empowered in business and she really respected that. So I think as a scout you look for trends, you look for pop culture events that are happening, and you train your eye to work that way.

HAMMER: And here`s the thing about training your eye. To me it is almost like people who have that ability to walk into a house that is an absolute wreck and have a vision and see where this can go. I`m not saying the women you find are wrecks but what I mean by that is you are seeing them without makeup, you`re seeing them not styled in any way, yet somehow you are able to figure out this is somebody.

And on your EI reality show we see you going into burger joints, into high schools, looking for the next beautiful face. So what are your secret tools to taking that raw beauty and transforming them into these beautiful, beautiful models?

FLUTIE: Well, the secret is you look for diamonds in the rough. You have to be able to look at somebody and completely make them over. And in your mind I use a word called "telegenicity (ph)," which is a recall of images from iconic pop culture.

So you look at those things and then if the girl has long hair, you think of her with short hair. If she is a little bit overweight, you think that she is going to lose some weight. And how does she transform in to that? So you do that all by your experience and your ability to understand what exactly the girl can transform into.

HAMMER: Yes. That is a huge talent in my mind, I mean, to have that level of vision and be able to figure out where this can be taken is something, well, quite frankly, I could never do, which is why I`m sitting here asking you about it.

FLUTIE: Well, I also think it`s an innate quality. I mean, I had an incredible childhood. I grew up with a family where my father was a photographer. We used to go around and take school pictures at high schools and I would look at them all. So I trained my eye to really understand what was beautiful and what was photogenic.

So by the time I got to Elite, which was in early 1982, I had a natural ability to not only manage and understand fashion, but to really also understand what makes somebody beautiful.

HAMMER: Part of who you were. And of course you are discovering some of these women that we know when they are very young. And of course that means inevitably the parents get involved, sometimes acting as their manager. That goes a variety of different ways. Let`s watch how some of that plays out on your show. Take a look.

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FLUTIE: What do you do?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I have a management company I just started.

FLUTIE: What kind of management company?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, I represent a singer and I also have been managing Jennifer (ph).

FLUTIE: OK.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m unofficial. I have never taken any money from Jennifer. I`m her mother.

FLUTIE: OK, OK. So I just want to make sure because I don`t want there to be any conflict. Obviously if she is signed by One Management, they are the ones that are going to be making all of the decisions and you realize like what potentially this whole world is about, right?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I want to see her be well-represented and for the whole world to fall in love with her. That`s my main goal.

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HAMMER: Ah, the "mom-mager." Love the "mom-mager." Some people want to shoot straight to the top. So what is the secret to managing those expectations? People think they got discovered, I`m going to be a supermodel.

FLUTIE: You want them to be involved. You want parents to be involved, but you just don`t them to be the manager, because ideally, in order for a girl or a guy to succeed in this industry, they have to follow the people that are trained, listen to the advice of the agent or the manager, and not the mother who is basically trying to live vicariously through a child.

HAMMER: Yes, there is that. Great insight. Michael, so great to have you here. Appreciate it.

FLUTIE: Thank you very much. And make sure you catch "Scouted" Monday nights on E!.

And now they call her the "queen of fabulousity." I`m talking about model turned fashion mogul Kimora Lee Simmons. She is responsible for building the megabrand Baby Phat, now she is the president and creative director of justfab.com. And get this, she did all of that while raising her kids with her actor husband Djimon Hounsou, and while starring on her own reality show, "Kimora: Life in the Fab Lane."

So what exactly is the secret to building a huge fashion empire and managing to be a big-time reality star all at the same time? Kimora revealed the trick to me right here on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. Take a look.

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KIMORA LEE SIMMONS, FASHION MOGUL: I think the difference between my show and a lot of shows is my show is a show that focuses on the business of fashion. I didn`t do anything extra other than being a designer, being a model, being a fashion girl.

My kids and my personal life is a small drop in the bucket compared to what is really going on. So I think any time you open it up that much and you have all of this going on and sometimes it gets a little chaotic, I don`t think we really do all that on my show.

It is a little difficult and I think people tend to pass judgment very quickly. It is hard for you to live up to some of those standards that you probably set. It is very difficult. Like Djimon, we don`t have cameras in Djimon`s face. No.

HAMMER: Right, right. So work very hard at striking the balance.

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HAMMER: So there it is, all about a balanced family, the career, the cameras. Sounds easy. Kimora did pull the plug on her reality show recently, but she told me, reality show or not, she is still living "Life in the Fab Lane."

Moving now to fashion drama, the divas, the cat fights, the beauty battles, a reality fashion insider reveals the secrets of dealing with all of the outsized personalities in those undersized dresses.

This is a special edition SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, "SHOWBIZ Reality Secrets: Fashion Frenzy." Michael Kors, Nina Garcia, and Heidi Klum of "Project Runway" show no mercy for a contestant`s botched dress.

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MICHAEL KORS, "PROJECT RUNWAY": I think it was so old lady couture. I mean, to me it is like the wallpaper and curtains at a really tacky catering hall. I hate that dust ruffle of gold on the top of it. Is that what the Jordan Almonds came in at the wedding? They just ripped it open and stuffed that in there. I don`t think it has drama, and the skirt has no shape.

NINA GARCIA, "PROJECT RUNWAY": What I hate the most are the fabrics.

HEIDI KLUM, "PROJECT RUNWAY": We still have to know though who is responsible for this.

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HAMMER: So what is it really like to design duds for the divas who grace the catwalks? And what is the secret to keeping your cool when your model says, eh, maybe not, to your fashion creation?

It`s "Mad Fashion," Chris March, who was a finalist on "Project Runway`s" season four and stars on the Bravo reality show "Mad Fashion," is ready to reveal his secrets to dealing with all that fashion frenzy.

Chris, it`s great to have you here. Let`s take a look at a clip from your show where, well, things get a little uncomfortable for you.

CHRIS MARCH, "MAD FASHION": Uh-oh.

HAMMER: Yes, let`s look at that.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is (INAUDIBLE).

I`m not sure it needs something to give it a.

MARCH: We have some other stuff.

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HAMMER: OK. You are dealing with some pretty big personalities in your line of work.

MARCH: Yes.

HAMMER: Do you just want to pull your hair out when something like that happens?

MARCH: That was the longest fitting in 10 episodes that we filmed in the whole series. She was not that thrilled with what we made. She had a whole bunch of people there telling her that they weren`t thrilled with what we made. And so, you know, we went back and forth and just tried to make her as happy as we could to get her out of there.

HAMMER: But like in any creative profession, if you have a lot of creative people in the room, they all think they know what`s best. So how do you keep -- what is the secret to keeping your fashionistas from flipping out? Because I imagine this happens all the time and you have to try to keep it from happening.

MARCH: Usually I like to do a fitting alone, one on one. Like when I did the stuff for Meryl Streep, like I made sure that I was the only person in the room with her. That`s generally like my rules. At the Susanne Bartsch fitting, she had an entourage that I didn`t know was coming and, you know, they all throw in their opinions.

So you kind of have to just have it be one on one and make sure that, like, that`s the way it stays.

HAMMER: But sometimes they will say, you have to do this, change that. What is the secret to both keeping true to your vision, because obviously you go into this with an idea of how you want it to look, and still keeping your fashionista happy or sometimes it is simply not possible?

MARCH: I`ll tell you, sometimes I just say no. If I feel like it`s worth taking the risk, I will just say flat out, no, I`m not going to change it. And sometimes they don`t wear it. Sometimes they don`t wear all of it. Sometimes I try to make a little compromise or I show them an idea that I had had before.

And sometimes they love that. They are like, why didn`t you show me that before?

HAMMER: So then what`s the biggest secret to dealing with the big personalities that you have to encounter on a daily basis?

MARCH: You know, in my life I have learned that big celebrities, rich people, big personalities, they all just wanted to be treated like people. If you kowtow to them and say yes all the time, they don`t respect you at all.

HAMMER: Just makes it worse.

MARCH: You have to push them around a little.

HAMMER: Chris March, great to have you here. Thank you so much.

And make sure you catch the season finale of Chris`s excellent show "Mad Fashion" December 6th on Bravo.

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And that is it for the special edition of SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, "SHOWBIZ Reality Secrets: Fashion Frenzy." I`m A.J. Hammer. Thank you for watching.

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