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What is Jodi Thinking?; Girl Looks Forward to Prom, Thanks to Bruno Mars; Is Beyonce Just Asking for Attention with New Single?; Top 3 SHOWBIZ Justice Shockers; Interview with Pat Sajak; Rainbow House
Aired March 20, 2013 - 23:00 ET
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A.J. HAMMER, HOST: On "HLN AFTER DARK" tonight, we saw the bold accusation, is Jodi showing no remorse? Now, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT dares to ask, in the "SHOWBIZ Countdown," "What is Jodi Thinking?"
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JODI ARIAS, MURDER DEFENDANT: You should have at least done your makeup, Jodi. Gosh.
(singing): Its might change my memory.
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HAMMER: Tonight, the top three things Jodi Arias is thinking as the explosive case against her plays out. We are taking you inside the mind of Jodi with a real-life FBI profiler from the hit show "Criminal Minds." And the man who had to try to get inside the mind of Anna Nicole Smith.
SHOWBIZ TONIGHT starts right now.
Hello, and thank you for watching. I`m A.J. Hammer.
And we begin with our first big "SHOWBIZ Countdown" of the night. Inside the mind of Jodi Arias. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT counting down the top three things that Jodi has said and done that have all of us asking "What is She Thinking?"
Who better to help us figure this out than Jim Clemente? He works on the hit TV drama, "Criminal Minds," as an advisor and writer. Jim also used to profile criminals for the FBI. He joins us from Hollywood tonight.
Also with us is Judge Larry Seidlin, who presided over all of the drama we saw play out in the battle to decide where Anna Nicole Smith`s would be buried. Judge Seidlin joining us from our Miami studio tonight.
It`s great having you both here.
LARRY SEIDLIN, JUDGE: Always a pleasure to be with you, A.J.
HAMMER: Well, let`s kick it off, guys. It`s our SHOWBIZ Count Down and No. 3 tonight, "What is Jodi Thinking" with all of her crying spells in court?
Now we`ve seen Jodi Arias have several emotional moments in court during the nonstop live coverage here on HLN. They usually come during any talk of her killing her boyfriend, Travis Alexander. Of course shooting him, stabbing him nearly 30 times and slitting his throat.
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JUAN MARTINEZ, PROSECUTOR: Ma`am, were you crying when you were shooting him?
ARIAS: I don`t remember.
MARTINEZ: Were you crying when you were stabbing him?
ARIAS: I don`t remember.
MARTINEZ: How about when you cut his throat, were you crying then?
ARIAS: I don`t know.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
HAMMER: All right. Let`s go inside the mind of Jodi Arias right now. Jim, I want to start with you. You`re a former profiler for the FBI. We see your guidance on CBS`s "Criminal Minds." Why do you think she gets so emotional?
JIM CLEMENTE, "CRIMINAL MINDS" CONSULTANT: I think she`s hyper self- controlled. And I think that emotionality is absolutely a ploy. I think she`s doing it to play up to the jury, to play a victim. And I she does it very effectively. She is actually a very intelligent and very articulate witness.
And I would put her on the level of Ted Bundy in terms of her ability to be charismatic and to -- just to articulate her point of view.
HAMMER: Judge Seidlin, is that how you see it? Do you agree with Jim, that this is a ploy? Or could these possibly be real tears going on here with Jodi?
SEIDLIN: Well, she`s trying to sell you the Brooklyn Bridge. This gal on a 52 card deck is missing about 7 cards. But she`s well-spoken. And she`s trying to show sympathy. She wants the jury to feel sorry for her so they don`t eventually say she should be put to death. She`s everywhere. She`s like at a buffet at the Ritz. She`ll serve you shrimp, lobster, steak. She`ll say anything to try to get off this Death Row.
HAMMER: So Jim, getting us inside Jodi`s head for a moment. You say she`s putting on a big show here. What do you think exactly, based on your experience, she is thinking during these crying episodes?
CLEMENTE: Well, I think she`s thinking about getting it right. She`s very, very, very careful to make sure that every answer she gives she actually looks at the jury. She`s trying to engage them. She`s trying to draw them in.
And her job, as her defense attorneys, I`m sure, have explained to her and I`m sure she has actually thought of it herself, that her job is to convince them that she`s a real person. If she can convince them that she`s a human being, and they can feel some sort of bond with her, then the chances of them putting her to death are going to be minimized.
HAMMER: And Jim, do you think that`s working?
CLEMENTE: Actually, I think she`s being pretty effective. I have to say that she actually does a good job in terms of not only conveying that sort of victim feeling to the jury, but also getting under the sort of, getting under the skin of the prosecutor and causing him to sort of get off his game.
HAMMER: Yes, there`s no question.
CLEMENTE: It`s amazing how she does it.
HAMMER: No question that that is what`s going on. It will be interesting to see what happens, because she needs all the help she can get, it seems to me.
But another piece of theatrics on the stand is next. It`s No. 2 of things that have us wondering what is Jodi Arias thinking? Jodi`s tense back and forth with bulldog prosecutor Juan Martinez. Now, we have repeatedly seen Jodi bicker with Martinez during the trial during exchanges like this.
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MARTINEZ: Are you having problems understanding again what`s going on?
ARIAS: Sometimes because you go in circles.
MARTINEZ: Yes or no?
ARIAS: I was saying no and you interrupted me. I think I`m more focused on your posture and your tone and your anger. So it`s hard to process the question.
MARTINEZ: So you believe the reason that you can`t be effective on the witness stand is because somebody is asking you questions in a way you don`t like.
ARIAS: I think that was a compound question.
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HAMMER: "I think that was a compound question." Judge Seidlin, I know this is a familiar scene to you. You`ve seen this kind of bickering while sitting on the bench, especially when you presided over the Anna Nicole Smith battles.
If Jodi is trying to impress the jury, what do you think she`s thinking when she comes off, you know, quite frankly, so disrespectfully on the stand?
SEIDLIN: Well, at times she`s like an animal in a jungle. She -- she`s protecting herself. She knows she`s being attacked by this individual, being the prosecutor. She`s fighting for her life.
I don`t like the fact that -- of the defense, this affirmative defense. If she`s going to pick a story -- and she could have picked many of them -- they came up with the worst one.
I like one where it`s a crime of passion, that this boyfriend of hers told her, "It`s not going to work. I`m not going to marry you." And she just lost her mind. It was -- it was an emotion. She just killed him at that point.
This other stuff isn`t going to sell, but she`s showing the jury she`s human. She`s showing the jury that she`s fighting for her life. They`re going to have a hard time injecting her with lethal drugs.
HAMMER: And as you guys have both said, she`s doing it very methodically. Jim, it seems to me that Jodi is taking Martinez`s prosecution personally. Is that actually what is going on here with her responses to him?
CLEMENTE: What`s going on, I think, is in her mind she`s saying, "If I can be hyper-accurate, if I can call him to task on every single teeny tiny misstatement or any time he asks a question that isn`t clear, I can break his rhythm and I can get under his skin, get him upset, and so he doesn`t look as good to the jury as he`s trying to."
And I think she then plays the victim again. I think it`s all very calculated. She`s amazing to watch. But unfortunately, she`s a murder.
HAMMER: Well, all in the name of manipulation. That`s what most people are saying is going to be her undoing here. And we`re now down to the No. 1 thing on the "SHOWBIZ Countdown" that has us asking "What is Jodi Thinking?"
Jodi`s conversations with herself. Like we see in the just-revealed video of Jodi`s bizarre behavior in the police interrogation room. This was just minutes before she was charged with murdering Travis Alexander. She`s doing handstands, as we see. She sings, all while worrying about her appearance. Let`s watch that.
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ARIAS: You should have at least done your makeup, Jodi. Gosh.
(singing): It might change my memory.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
HAMMER: I mean, it is just bizarre to me. Judge Seidlin, she`s singing, laughing, doing the handstands, worrying about her makeup when she`s about to be charged with murder. What in the world do you think is going through Jodi`s mind here?
SEIDLIN: This is a woman we don`t want ever to pass over at Thanksgiving dinner. I think half the guests will be leaving the table in a bad way.
She`s just a fruit cup at times. She can`t control herself at times. There are times where she can line up the ducks in a row. But here, she`s just absolutely out of her mind, because she didn`t know she was being videoed.
And she likes being on TV. When this camera`s rolling, she`s thrilled to testify for 18 days. This is a reality TV show for her.
HAMMER: All right. No matzo for Jodi, according to Judge Seidlin. Jim, do you agree?
CLEMENTE: Yes, I would have to disagree. I think -- at one point I believe she knew there were cameras there, and she was playing to those cameras. I think that was the most important thing for her. She was loving it. She was loving the attention. In fact, she was grandstanding by hand-standing. I think that`s exactly what was going through her mind. This is an opportunity for me to show off, to show that they haven`t gotten to me just because they have me locked up in this room. I can do whatever I want.
Even the song she chose to sing about changing her memory, when memory is the exact issue in this case. I mean, it`s unbelievable, but it`s a very clear example of her showing off for the camera.
HAMMER: That was a stunning moment for me. That`s a song by Dido that she was singing a piece of there, and the fact that her memory is one of the big stars -- or her lack of memory -- one of the big stars of this trial and how it`s all playing out.
Great insight from you guys tonight.
CLEMENTE: It really is.
HAMMER: Thank you both so much. Jim and Larry, I appreciate it.
CLEMENTE: Thanks a lot, A.J.
HAMMER: Outstanding. All right another jaw-dropping "SHOWBIZ Countdown" is coming your way tonight. And of course, I`ve got your Jodi Arias fix. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT with the brand-new stunning revelations about how Jodi Arias is just like Casey Anthony. Oh, yes.
Plus SHOWBIZ TONIGHT`s in London with the latest developments in the trial of men who are accused in a plot to kill and decapitate singer Joss Stone. This is just frightening. We`ve got the developments. But which wild story will top the countdown of today`s top three "SHOWBIZ Justice Shockers"?
This is SBT, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, on HLN.
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HAMMER: Now on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, "Geico`s 15 Minutes of Fame."
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EMILY TORRES, SEEKING PROM DATE (SINGING): Bruno, go to prom with me. A junior prom with me. (UNINTELLIGIBLE)
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HAMMER: That`s how you get the attention of a mega-pop star. That is 16- year-old Emily Torres belting out a revamped Bruno Mars tune on YouTube. Emily reworked Bruno`s hit song, "Locked Out of Heaven," to try to convince him to be her date at her junior prom.
And guess what? The prom is this weekend. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT has been bringing you Emily`s amazing story ever since she first became famous after posting that YouTube video.
Now, while Bruno can`t make it to her prom this weekend, he is making sure it`s going to be a night that Emily will never forget. Emily is joining us tonight from her hometown in Michigan.
It is great to have you back here on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT.
TORRES: Hi, A.J. How are you?
HAMMER: I`m terrific. We`ve loved following your story. And to remind everybody, actually met Bruno after Ellen DeGeneres listened to your plea and got help, got you together with Bruno on the show, as we`re seeing right now.
Bruno even bought you a designer prom dress. How pumped up are you about this weekend? I can`t imagine.
TORRES: I cannot wait. I have always, you know, thought about junior prom and prom in general from, like, growing up and stuff. And I can`t wait. I can`t believe that Bruno did all this for me and all the help that I`ve gotten. It`s going to be memorable.
HAMMER: Yes. I know the dress part is really exciting. I know you`re saving the big reveal of your dress until prom night on Saturday. So we`ll have to see pictures afterwards. But reveal to us how you`ve been getting ready.
TORRES: What do you mean?
HAMMER: I mean, are you getting your nails done? Are you getting a little extra rest?
TORRES: Oh, yes.
HAMMER: How are you getting ready for the big night?
TORRES: Yes. I`m getting my hair done before. And I`m going out to eat with my friends and stuff. And Bruno may not be coming physically, but he is coming some way or another. But I`ll let you know more.
HAMMER: All right. Since Bruno`s not available, I`ve got to know who your Bruno backup is? Who`s the guy you`re taking to the prom, and will he be wearing an fedora?
TORRES: I`m going with Bruno, actually. But that`s a secret.
HAMMER: Excuse me?
TORRES: I`ll show you Monday how we do it.
HAMMER: OK. I mean, are we talking cardboard cut-out? What`s going on here?
TORRES: Maybe. Maybe a little better.
HAMMER: Maybe a little better. All right. That`s all I`m getting? OK.
TORRES: We kept secrets the whole time.
HAMMER: We are going to find out on Monday, because you`re going to join us again. But there`s another high-school student, his name is Jake Davidson. And I was thinking this guy took a cue from you, because he made a video inviting supermodel Kate Upton to his prom. Yes, and this morning, Kate called into "The Today Show" and surprised him, kind of liked Bruno surprised you. Let`s watch this.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Joining us on the phone is the woman herself, Kate Upton. Kate, good morning to you.
JAKE DAVIDSON, SEEKING PROM DATE: What?
KATE UPTON, SUPERMODEL: Good morning. How are you guys?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We`re good. This is Jake. Jake, Kate.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Jake`s not speaking.
DAVIDSON: Hi, Kate.
UPTON: How do you feel? I can`t believe you`re on the show and everything now. It`s amazing.
DAVIDSON: This just got so much better now that you`re on the phone.
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HAMMER: That`s great. Did you see the look on his face? He was totally shocked. And I`m sure you can relate to what he was feeling. So Emily, what kind of advice can you give Jake to see this thing through?
TORRES: Oh, my gosh. I`m so happy for him.
Stay yourself. Have fun. Just go with the flow and don`t forget to remember everything that goes on. Don`t freak out. I cried later so cry later.
HAMMER: Well, it seems to me like you`re really, really enjoying the moment. And Emily, we want to let everything know you`re going to be right back with us here on Monday to give us the 411 and explain exactly how you did get Bruno to finally end up going to the prom. We`ll check in with you then. Great seeing you.
TORRES: Thank you, bye.
HAMMER: All right. Have a terrific time.
I am firing up another stunning "SHOWBIZ Countdown" tonight, today`s top three "SHOWBIZ Justice Shockers," including the shocking revelation on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT about how Jodi Arias is just like Casey Anthony. This one is going to make your jaw drop.
Plus SHOWBIZ TONIGHT on location with Pat Sajak. Pat and Vanna celebrating 30 years of "Wheel of Fortune." I get to spin the wheel. And I get Pat to spill the beans.
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HAMMER: So I`m thinking, with your talk show host background, that he leaves "The Today Show," you do that on the side. Is that something you`d actually be interested? "The Today Show."
PAT SAJAK, HOST, "WHEEL OF FORTUNE": You know what?
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HAMMER: SHOWBIZ breaking news with Pat Sajak. Will he really replace Matt Lauer on "The Today Show?"
This is SBT, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, on HLN.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A.J.?
HAMMER: Here`s a woman who hasn`t done anything throughout her career that`s not exactly calculated, doesn`t have an exact purpose. So to me, it was a little surprising. She`s not the kind of an artist who needs to do something to get attention.
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HAMMER: I took on the hot talk on "The Wendy Williams Show" today about the big Beyonce backlash that`s trending right now. Beyonce`s first new single in two years is at the center of a hot debate, all because of its provocative lyrics. Specifically, the use of the word "bitches."
Beyonce definitely knows how to work it. No question there. And whether you like her new single or not, I think she knew exactly what she was doing when she just released "Bow Down." Listen.
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BEYONCE, SINGER (singing): I took some time to live my life, but don`t think I`m just his little wife. Don`t get it twisted, get it twisted (EXPLETIVE DELETED). This is my (EXPLETIVE DELETED). Bow down, bitches.
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HAMMER: There`s the word that`s lighting the fire from coast to coast tonight. So did Beyonce blow it this time? I want to go to Atlanta, where the lovely and talented Kendra G. is joining us. Kendra is an entertainment correspondent, radio personality on Atlanta`s own B-103.
So Kendra, what do you think? Did Queen Bey blow it with this new song?
KENDRA G., RADIO PERSONALITY: Of course not. I love this song. And I`m so excited that Beyonce has finally let the haters know to bow down. She has the queen -- for years now, she has been very humble. She hasn`t used it for her Kanye West ego swag. But I`m happy she finally has.
What is the problem? And I love the "B" word the most, because A.J., as you might know, sometimes you`ve got to swear in order to get your point across.
HAMMER: There`s no question -- there`s no question about that. Some people find it demeaning or inappropriate, but the Beyonce debate really lit a fire this morning when I was at the "Wendy Williams Show." It was me along with Price`s ex-wife, Mayte Garcia. Also, "CBS Sunday Morning" commentator Nancy Giles was there. And we`re all coming at this from different sides. Let`s watch.
G.: OK.
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MAYTE GARCIA, PRINCE`S EX-WIFE: I love her. And I wish I wrote the song. I do. Every once in a while, I mean, you know, like every once in a while, I think women need to just sort of like go off and say, "Bow down." I do. If.
WENDY WILLIAMS, TALK SHOW HOST: If you have to say, "Bow down," then there`s no reason to bow down. It`s like if you call yourself a diva, then you`re not really a diva.
HAMMER: It`s one thing, though, when you have a teen star who wants to change their image, go to that age. I don`t always think it`s a great move. Beyonce doesn`t need to do that.
NANCY GILES, "CBS SUNDAY MORNING": ... doesn`t need to do that. She doesn`t need to do that.
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HAMMER: Well, it`s a clearly polarizing issue, Kendra. But do you think that Beyonce had any possible idea that using the "B" word would be this polarizing?
G.: I think, yes, she does. I think Beyonce knows exactly what she`s doing. She is the queen at this. Everybody in the world is talking about it, whether you like it or not.
I personally love it. And the "B" word to me, people get over it. I`m quite sure you have said it before. I say it, but not right now, A.J., because I don`t want to get kicked off the show, but it`s not that big of a deal. It`s not. I love it.
HAMMER: The point that I made this morning on Wendy`s show, as well, was the fact that, yes, everything she does is very clearly calculated, but there are a lot of people who are now accusing Beyonce of trying to steal a page from Rihanna, who of course, is known for stirring one controversy after another. Hard for me to understand why Beyonce would do that, but do you think maybe that is what`s going on here?
G.: First of all, I have respect for Rihanna, but she is no Beyonce. Let`s not get it twisted, people. You`re dropping off the bridge with that statement.
Beyonce is a star in her own right. And after the Super Bowl, if you`re not convinced now that she is mega-talented, then you are just crazy. She`s not doing it because of Rihanna. I think this is a side of Beyonce. We all have a side of us sometimes -- I like to call it that Kanye West inside of us -- that has to just come out...
HAMMER: Yes.
G.: ... and say it sometimes.
HAMMER: I am eager to hear the whole story behind the song, when Beyonce`s ready to talk about it.
Kendra G., thank you so much.
G.: No problem.
HAMMER: And get ready for an explosive "SHOWBIZ Countdown." It`s the top three "SHOWBIZ Justice Shockers.": You will be stunned by the shocking ways that Jodi Arias is just like Casey Anthony. I`m telling you they might as well be sisters.
Plus the shocking new revelation that Lindsay Lohan spent -- listen to this -- more than 86 percent of her adult life on probation. What "SHOWBIZ Justice Shocker" will top the countdown?
This is SBT, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, on HLN.
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HAMMER: Right now the "SHOWBIZ Countdown," today`s top three "SHOWBIZ Justice Shockers," including the shocking SHOWBIZ revelation about how Jodi Arias is just like Casey Anthony. And the brand-new shocking developments in the trial of the men accused of plotting to decapitate singer Joss Stone. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT is in London with the terrifying details.
Plus, I`m on location with the legendary Pat Sajak as "Wheel of Fortune" celebrates its 30th anniversary.
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HAMMER: So I`m thinking, with your talk show host background, that he leaves "The Today Show," you do that on the side?
Is that something you`d actually be interested, should they -- the "Today" show?
PAT SAJAK, HOST, "WHEEL OF FORTUNE": You know what --
HAMMER (voice over): So is Pat really thinking of leaving to replace Matt Lauer on the "Today" show? SHOWBIZ TONIGHT breaking news with Pat Sajak. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT continues right now.
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HAMMER: Welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. Thank you for watching. I`m A.J. Hammer, and tonight in the SHOWBIZ Countdown, today`s top three SHOWBIZ justice shockers. We kick things off in number three with the Jodi Arias murder trial, back on the stand today, the psychologist who is making the startling argument that Arias doesn`t recall murdering her boyfriend because she`s suffering from post traumatic stress disorder. Now, from the very beginning of the sensational trial, it has been compared to the Casey Anthony trial. And tonight, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT is bringing you the brand new startling comparison.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I know you were there.
JODI ARIAS: Are you sure those pictures aren`t from another time?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Positive.
CASEY ANTHONY: I mean, this is something honestly you`ve been preparing for from the beginning just because of words that were directly spoken from Gary Melish (ph) and also from Sergeant Allen (ph). They were saying that this is what they were planning on doing from the very beginning, from the first day. So they wrote me off in the first couple of hours.
ARIAS: I`m not a murderer, but I guess if I were to do that, I would wear gloves or, you know, something. I just - how can I - I don`t know.
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HAMMER: Wow. And that`s just the tip of the iceberg. There are so many similarities in this cases. Jane Velez Mitchell, host of the "JANE VELEZ- MITCHELL" show. Weeknights at 7 p.m. Eastern, here on HLN cover, the Casey Anthony trial -- wall to wall, and Jane, you`ve been nonstop on Arias right here on HLN. Those new comparisons are really eye opening, aren`t they?
JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST "JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL": These two women are so similar. First of all, they`re both pathological liars. They lie and lie and lie and do it brilliantly, with abandon. They`re both highly sexualized and inappropriately sexual. We could talk about Jodi Arias`s kinky sex life all night. Casey Anthony infamous, of course, for dirty dancing while her little daughter Caylee was kidnapped, not really, but that`s why she lied and told us, they both threw their own families under the bus accusing parental units of horrific abuse. And perhaps the most, well, disturbing commonality is that they both like to wear these preppy style pastel shirts in court. I`m kind of embarrassed that I`m wearing one today.
HAMMER: Yeah, let`s see what Michael Billy is wearing right now.
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HAMMER: He`s with us in New York tonight. Michael, I mean you watched the tape that we`re playing here. You listen to what Jane Velez-Mitchell had to say about the two of them. And I just find it almost mind-boggling how similar they are.
MICHAEL BILLY, TV AND RADIO HOST: Jane`s right on. Terrible pastel colors. But actually, what really worries me is that Jodi Arias is so pompous with the media, I think a lot much more during this part of the, during this level of the trial than Casey Anthony was. She`s much more hatable. We`re getting to see a lot more of this pompous reaction and playfulness with the prosecution, which really makes to be a great villain, I hate to say the word great, but a horrific villain in this case, much more easily hatable. Much more insight into her personality. Jane?
VELEZ-MITCHELL: I don`t know. I was outside court during the Casey Anthony case and I`ve never seen anybody more despised by the public than Casey Anthony. It`s a close competition.
HAMMER: But Jane, the real similarity that I think would really make people crazy is if there`s not a conviction here for Jodi Arias.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh, yes. And A.J., really, that`s why on our show at 10 P.M. Eastern we always debate it with both sides because we don`t want our viewers to be blindsided. Everybody thought, I mean all the talking heads predicted that Casey Anthony was going to be convicted, and she walked. So we want to show all the options.
HAMMER: So many grisly details about how Jodi Arias killed her boyfriend and I got to tell you , grisly doesn`t even begin to describe what`s number two on our "SHOWBIZ Justice Countdown" tonight. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT taking it to London where two men are on trial accused of plotting to kill singer Joss Stone and cut off her head. The men allegedly planned to dump her body in a river. Police say, that when they arrested these men, they had a samurai sword, a hammer, knives, gloves and black bags and that the suspects had notes in their car mapping out the whole plot. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT is in London tonight with CNN international correspondent Max Foster. Now, Max, these two men were reportedly angry because of Joss Stone`s connection to the royal family, including the fact that she attended Prince William`s wedding. What`s that all about?
MAX FOSTER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, that`s right. I mean she is friends with William and Harry. She did go to the wedding, and this came up in court. There are these notes that they`ve discovered, basically, hand written notes by the accused. And the prosecution said about one of them, that these documents appear to express disapproval of the royal family. He said that Joss Stone associates with members of the royal family. Her concerts have been attended by members of that family and she was invited to the royal wedding the end of April that year, hence the crown. The prosecution say she was a target. So they think that plays into this. But there also seems to be a motive of possibly financial reasons as well. Because they`re now charged with robbery as well as murder.
HAMMER: How life changing something like this has to be for Joss? She just testified at the trial. She talked about how she used to not even lock the doors at her house in Devin. That`s how safe she felt. Max, I have to imagine that has changed in a major way.
FOSTER: Absolutely. Well, Devin is a rural area. It`s very pretty, very safe, got a very safe low crime record. The accused are coming all the way down from Manchester, which is more than 200 miles away. But yes, she said she never put her alarm on, never locked the door. She obviously does now. She also talked a bit about this evidence that was presented. The accused watched a TV program, on MTV, "Cribs," you might know it, showing celebrities around their houses. They said they saw her showing the crew around her house. And she brought this up, saying actually they got this a bit wrong. It was a previous house that was shown on that show. So they got that a bit wrong.
HAMMER: Wow. It is just a scary, scary situation for a really terrific young artist who is very well liked. CNN international correspondent Max Foster. Thank you so much, Max.
Now we`ve got the big reveal of what`s No. 1 on our SHOWBIZ countdown of today`s top 3 SHOWBIZ shockers. Lindsey Lohan has just been sentenced to 90 days rehab lockdown and two years probation for lying to cops about a car accident. Today our friends over at Celebuzz.com revealed this shocker. Take a look at this pie graph. 26-year-old Lindsey has now spent a whopping 86 percent of her adult life in jail, rehab or probation. Amazing. I know I was shocked. And so was Wendy Williams when I was on her show this morning. She was so, so shocked and really went off on Lindsey, watch this.
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WENDY WILLIAMS, TALK SHOW HOST: Try as you might, Lindsey, you know what, this 90-day lockdown is not going to work unless you focus, because you`re being ordered. Like I told you, you know, addicts don`t take being bossed around very well. They have to quit on their own accord. So none of this is going to work. This girl, you live in a bizarro world, Lindsey. It`s not even funny.
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HAMMER: All right. Jane Velez-Mitchell, let me get to you on this. How astounding is that? Or maybe I should say how sad is that?
VELEZ-MITCHELL: It`s absolutely pathetic. This beautiful young woman, very talented actress, was on her way to becoming a superstar. She took a left turn and turned into super freak. She`s had six mugshots. We see her more in mugshots than we do on the rid carpet, and this will be her sixth trip to rehab. But you know what? She`s only 26 years old. And I just ask everybody to remember what they were like when they were 26. It does not mean you have to be like Lindsey, but just that there is an opportunity, given that she is still young, for her to turn her life around. I hope she hits bottom in this rehab. I hope she sees herself the way the world is seeing her right now and has that moment of clarity and realizes my life is a mess, I need help.
HAMMER: I`m hoping the exact same thing, Jane. I`ve really developed almost a certain level of sympathy for her. And she clearly needs help. Hopefully she`s getting that. But this is another shocker that we learned today. Lindsey got off with this 90-day rehab lockdown sentence, part of a plea deal. TMZ reported today that they`ve called numerous rehab facilities in the New York area. And all of them say they don`t, and quite frankly, they can`t force their patients to stay. So Lindsey could actually wind up in jail. Now, Michael Billy, you`ve been very open and candid about how rehab helped save you. Don`t you think it would be worse for Lindsey if she did go to jail?
BILLY: You know, I actually do believe that. It would be worse for Lindsey to go to jail. What she needs, it can`t be mandated by a court. I went to rehab several times before it made sense for me. What she needs is that realization, that awakening that life has to change, let go of my trends, let go of the bad influences. She needs a complete soul makeover. And I am with Jane on this, I wish her the absolute best.
HAMMER: A complete soul makeover. Very well put, Michael. And let`s just hope she is getting the help she needs. I know we say that over and over, but it`s all we can hope for at this point. Jane, Michael, thank you both so much, and you can see Jane of course on HLN "After Dark." Be sure to catch up with the very latest on the Jodi Arias trial with HLN`s new series, "HLN After Dark: The Jodi Arias Trial." It airs Monday through Thursday, 10:00. Right here on HLN.
From SHOWBIZ justice shockers to SHOWBIZ on location. With one of the most famous men in TV history.
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HAMMER: So I`m thinking, with your talk show host background, that if it is the "Today" show, you`d do that on the side. Is this something you`d actually be interested in, "The Today Show?"
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HAMMER: "Wheel of Fortune" just turned 30. And SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, breaking news with the great Pat Sajak tonight. Will he really replace Matt Lauer on "The Today Show," and will this rainbow house replace hatred with tolerance? It`s SHOWBIZ trending tonight, and brand new pride house that`s right across the street from a famously anti-gay church. Plus, wait until you see what we named as our moment of SHOWBIZ awesomeness. This is SBT, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT on HLN.
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SAJAK: (inaudible). All right. We`re going to add a thousand. That`s $6,000 for every consonant we find. Could get very interesting here. Again, person is the category.
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HAMMER: That of course TV icon Pat Sajak, and that world famous wheel. After 30 years, the game show magic is still right there. And tonight SHOWBIZ TONIGHT is on location in New York with "Wheel of Fortune." Look at this, this was an enormous treat for me as a huge fan of the show. I actually had the chance to spin the wheel. And it`s harder than you think. Pat said you`ve really got to grab it hard. Wouldn`t you know, it landed on $2500 bucks in my spot. The camera focused on $300, but $2,500 for me if only it was for real. But wow, what a blast going one on one with Pat Sajak and getting all the secrets behind the wheel.
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HAMMER: Wheel of Fortune is obviously part of Americana, part of our pop culture, but for so many of us, it has just been a part of our lives. And it`s a big deal.
SAJAK: It`s a great leg up when you`re doing a show like this when it`s as you describe, it`s more than a television show. And by the way, we did not plan any of this. We just planned to do a game and play hangman and give away money and all get wealthy. But that`s all (inaudible). But we have insinuated ourselves into people`s lives in ways we didn`t quite intend. I mean, maybe it says as I`m getting older, I get a greater appreciation of this, but there`s not a day that goes by that I don`t have someone come up to me sometimes in tears, I just lost my mother, and this was her favorite show, this is the one show we all watched together. I still watch it with the kids.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Can I buy a vowel?
HAMMER: I`m sure that you also have people in for a very long time coming up to you every single day and shouting hey, Sajak, can I buy a vowel?
SAJAK: Oh, it`s hourly. But what`s funny about -- and that`s fine. What are they going to say to me? They`re not going to ask me about the stock market.
HAMMER: Well, exactly, I was going to say, maybe in your mind, it grew tiring in a moment, but you get a fuller appreciation for the enthusiasm.
SAJAK: I understand it, but what`s funny to me is they all say it as if - especially if they`re with someone, they poke each other in the ribs, this is the funniest thing to think - and they`re sure I`ve never heard this before.
HAMMER: They`re the first person--
SAJAK: And they`re whacking each other in the ribs, saying did you see what I did. But usually I just say, yes, give me the $250, and yes, you can have one.
HAMMER: I`m sure there were some big puzzle solving or not solving moments that really have become iconic in the show`s history, that you do remember, and the one that I want to take a look at right now, all the letters were basically there, and the contestant just couldn`t have it, and we`re going to roll that.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (inaudible).
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HAMMER: All right. We`re screaming at the TV. In those moments which probably happen with some frequency, do you actually want to just walk over to the contestant and shake them --
SAJAK: Slap them silly?
HAMMER: Whatever it will take?
SAJAK: You know, oddly enough, and what I`m going to say is going to sound like oh, I`m trying to be a nice guy. Absolutely not. Until you`ve been on the show as a player, you have no idea the pressure these people are under.
Well, Sam, try it again.
You just started the show. And a few weeks old - this is 30 years ago. And my first experience with that was the puzzle was "more fun than a barrel of monkeys," which the guy solved as "more fun than a barrel of Vikings."
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HAMMER: I always got the impression that you`ve enjoyed doing this for as long as you`ve been doing it. And obviously, doing anything for a great amount of time, you need to shake it up or change things up, but some 31 years, I guess you`ve been hosting the show now, and you`re in a small league.
ANNOUNCER: This is Jeopardy.
HAMMER: Your fellow game show host Alex Trebek has been hosting Jeopardy for a very long time. So there is a lot of buzz right now, I don`t know if you`ve heard, that he`s considering retiring. We don`t know if this is true or not. The buzz that has gone along with that is that if he retires oh, what about Matt Lauer to take over for Alex Trebek? So I`m thinking, with your talk show host background, that he leaves "The Today Show," you do that on the side.
SAJAK: Wait a minute. How does Ann Curry get into this?
HAMMER: We`ll bring her in for you.
SAJAK: So we are just sort of just moving, that would be fun maybe where people just change roles.
HAMMER: Is that something you`d actually be interested in? "The Today Show?"
SAJAK: You know what, not at this -- first of all, that`s not going to happen. I don`t think they will be approaching me any time soon. I don`t want to get up early. And I don`t want to work every day. I mean, I know that sounds - but I`m at the stage of my life and career, this is great. It is the greatest schedule in the world.
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HAMMER: Pat is sticking by the wheel. And you know what? It just wouldn`t be the same without him. Really enjoyed hanging out with those guys, and be sure to catch a full month of "Wheel of Fortune," they`re doing all new shows from right here in New York City that will get under way April 29th. And right now from Pat`s bright future to the bright rainbow colors that are lighting up a big showdown right now. Look at this. I`m talking about this brand new gay pride rainbow house. Where does it live? Well, it`s right across the street from a notoriously antigay church. Get ready for SHOWBIZ trending and a house that`s really changing the block for good. And wait until you see what we`ve named as our moment of SHOWIBZ awesomeness. This is SBT, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT on HLN.
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HAMMER: Now SHOWBIZ trending. Take a look at this. Talk about a house that stands out, right? This is the brand new rainbow house in the heart of Kansas. And it may not be the color scheme you would choose for your own home, but there is a reason for its boldness. Those bright colors are in the pattern of the gay pride flag. And this house is directly across the street from a church that is famous for preaching a message of hate against gays. CNN`s Jeanne Moos for SHOWBIZ TONIGHT on the power of the rainbow.
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JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Now who would paint their house like this?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Our goal isn`t to offend anyone.
MOOS: Actually it`s a counteroffensive, strategically located across the street from the home of the Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka, Kansas. You know, the group that`s always calling gays the F word? Members hate homosexuality.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s an abomination. What part of that don`t you fools understand?
MOOS: Aaron Jackson (ph) wasn`t a fool when he decided to buy this house back in 2007. Jackson was voted a CNN hero for all his charity work in places like Haiti. But now it`s hate he says he`s fighting. While Googling the Westboro Baptist Church, he went to the street view of their headquarters.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I saw the house across the street had a for sale sign on it. It hit me right away. I`m going to buy that home and I am going to paint it the color of the pride flag.
MOOS: It turned out that house was no longer available, but another one was. Also across the street from the Westboro Church.
Jackson tried to get the seller to reduce the price, but he wouldn`t budge. So Jackson`s charity ended up coughing up about $81,000 for the house. And on Tuesday, the house got painted, transformed into a gay pride rainbow house.
Jackson himself isn`t gay, but he`s big on equality.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m a straight ally. As one would say.
MOOS: The plan is for his charity to run anti-bullying campaigns out of the rainbow house. As for the Westboro Church`s reaction, it sent CNN a statement saying, "We thank God for the Sodomite Rainbow House. It is right across the street from the only church that loves people enough to tell them the Bible truth about the filthy, soul-damning, nation-destroying sin of sodomy. The Sodomite Rainbow House helps shine a bright spotlight on this." A mansion it ain`t. This humble rainbow house has one thing going for it.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Location, location. I bought this house for the view.
MOOS: From now on, the view from the Westboro Church property will be, as Dorothy would be put it.
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HAMMER: It must make people in that church feel so good to be on the wrong side of history. That was CNN`s Jeanne Moos for SHOWBIZ TONIGHT.
Well, I`ve got to move on to tonight`s moment of SHOWBIZ awesomeness. And wait until you see this. The ice cream power play caught on a jumbotron for the entire world to see. You`ve got to see what happens when a guy refuses to share his cone with his girlfriend. A little hint: There is global shame involved. This is SBT, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT on HLN.
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HAMMER: Time now for SHOWBIZ awesomeness. This is where we name the most awesome moment of the day. And tonight`s moment comes courtesy of NBA`s fan night, and I`ve got to say, I think this could be one of the best jumbotron moments ever. It`s the guy who loves his ice cream so much that he just ain`t sharing it with his girlfriend. And here is the best part, NBA commentators Isiah Thomas and Chris Weber broke the whole thing down in a play by play using the Telestrator and all. Watch.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`s like really focused. He`s like, this ice cream is good. I asked her if she wanted some when I went up. He`s like, hold on, quit, thank you for pausing, he`s like quit playing around, no, look at her. All you guys know, when your woman closes her eyes and squints at you, you`re in trouble. So let`s just roll it from here. She`s looking at him, like seriously? Oh, fine, it`s like that. Are you -- look, stop that, now that right there. That there, she`s going oh, no, you didn`t. That`s what she`s doing. And that`s the look her girlfriends are going to say, we saw you on TV and he made you look real mean and all this stuff. And if we could just roll it. Look at him. He`s just (inaudible).
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I got some ice cream.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I got some ice cream. You can`t have any.
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HAMMER: She finally got a bite. That`s fantastic. And get a load of how calm the guy was during the whole thing. Brilliant.
Well, coming up next on "Dr. Drew on Call," Jodi Arias on trial. Dr. Drew speaks with two men who went on a surfing trip with Jodi. They said Jodi invited herself, so what did they think of her character? "Dr. Drew on Call" starts right now.
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