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Jodi Arias Jaw-Droppers; Tom Cruise: `Oblivion` Will Be Huge Hit; LeAnn Rimes in Talks about Sit-Com Based on Her Life with Eddie Cibrian; Gwyneth Paltrow Defends Cook Book; The CSI Effect; Fairy Tales Come True
Aired April 11, 2013 - 23:00 ET
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A.J. HAMMER, HOST: We saw an "HLN AFTER DARK" that "Bold Accusation," did Jodi stalk Travis? And now, on the SHOWBIZ Countdown, it`s today`s top three Jodi Arias jaw droppers, including Jodi`s stunning online messages from jail and the shocking results of putting Jodi`s claims to the test. Is her story even possible? We are counting down today`s top three "Jodi Jaw-Droppers."
Plus get ready for this amazing SHOWBIZ Tearjerker.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I wish for Daddy to come home.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You wish for Daddy to come home?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hi, baby.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Daddy!
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HAMMER: The magical reunion between a little girl and her Marine dad. It turns out wishes really do come true at Disneyland. Try not to cry when you watch this. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT starts right now.
Hello, I`m A.J. Hammer. Thank you so much for watching.
And "HLN AFTER DARK" has taken on the "Bold Accusation" Jodi Arias was the stalker. And now SHOWBIZ TONIGHT is here to count down three big "Jodi Jaw-Droppers."
One of those coming from our very own Vinnie Politan, who of course, co- hosts "HLN AFTER DARK" weeknights, 10 p.m. Eastern here on HLN. Vinnie is in Atlanta tonight.
Another shocker coming from, yes, Jane Velez-Mitchell, host of "THE JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL SHOW" weeknights at 7 p.m. Eastern here on HLN.
Let us kick off this countdown with jaw-dropper No. 3. It`s Jane`s interrogation. Look at this. There you have Jane standing on her head during an interrogation by police. Just like Jodi Arias stood on her head when she was having a break during her interrogation over the killing of her boyfriend.
Jane just went to the police station in Fairfield, Connecticut, to learn firsthand exactly what it`s like to be interrogated in this case for allegedly attacking someone over a recyclable bottle, something I think Jane would do.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Walk us through from "A" to "Z" what happened and remember to be truthful.
JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST, "JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL": She put the plastic in the non-recyclable bin.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Put another plastic bottle in the garbage, see what she does.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Jane, we`re almost done. I`ll be right with you, OK?
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Hey, you just...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What if we said that we looked at the video and you had the bottle in your hand and you threw it at her? And it hit her in the head?
VELEZ-MITCHELL: I lost it and just -- I don`t even remember doing it, but I think I just threw that bottle at her. One second and your life is over.
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HAMMER: Wow. Jane, that was Oscar-worthy. Well done. But seriously, you went through a full-on grilling by these cops to see what it`s like to be interrogated. I`m curious what surprised you the most.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, let me tell you, it felt very real. And it is a mind game. They play a lot of games to get you to crack, and they did get me to crack.
By the way, they said that that`s the craziest thing they`ve ever seen anybody do in an interrogation room. They`ve seen people get on their knees and make the sign of the cross and pray, but never do a headstand.
But what they do is they strategize. Like they say, "What if I told you there was videotape of you throwing that bottle at that lady`s head?" All of a sudden, well, the suspect, myself, says, "Oh, they got me on tape." So maybe they don`t have me on tape, but if I think they`ve got me on tape, then I`m more likely to confess and say, "Oh, well, here`s why." So they play that game. They play either/or. You know, either "Are you a monster?"
HAMMER: Wow.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: "No." OK. So if I`m not a monster, "Well, maybe you`re somebody who just had a bad day." And that`s how they coax it out of you. I totally cracked.
HAMMER: Well, it`s really fascinating, and lest anybody think otherwise, Jane takes her recycling very seriously.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, I do.
HAMMER: You really -- I thought it was terrific. You delved so deep into this re-enacting some of Jodi`s more bizarre moments that were captured on tape. As you said, you were right there standing on your head, and you were also singing like Jodi did during her interrogation. Let`s revisit that.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL (singing): Jack Frost nipping at your nose.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Walk us through from "A" to "Z" what happened and remember to be truthful.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: She put the plastic in the non-recyclable bin.
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HAMMER: Yes. All right, Jane. I really need to know, by getting into that moment, were you at all able to get into Jodi`s head?
VELEZ-MITCHELL: I absolutely was. Because I started to see what a chess game these interrogations are, where the suspect wants to know "How much evidence do they have? I don`t want to admit anything I don`t have to."
And, of course, the interrogators, the detectives want to get information out of you and get you to admit to things that they don`t have evidence for. So it really is a dance, and you`re constantly processing everything they say so that you don`t give anything up unnecessarily. You can totally get into what Jodi Arias is doing in that interrogation room.
Very quickly, Detective Flores, who they say did a masterful job, asked them, well, asked Jodi, "What if I told you a neighbor saw you pulling up at Travis`s house?" Now, maybe a neighbor didn`t see, but she has to deal with the possibility that there`s a witness...
HAMMER: Right.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: ... to what she did.
HAMMER: And no, it`s so fascinating, because unless you have been in that situation, as you now have, Jane, you can`t possibly imagine exactly what it`s like.
And of course, as we know, the jurors haven`t seen some of Jodi`s odd moments from her interrogation.
Now, Vinnie, you were a prosecutor. I got to know, is it a big deal that the jurors aren`t seeing just how carefree and, you know, really nonchalant she was acting during her interrogation? And I speak of Jodi, not Jane.
VINNIE POLITAN, CO-HOST, "HLN AFTER DARK: THE JODI ARIAS TRIAL": Yes, well, let me ask -- let me say this first. I don`t know why Jane, when she`s being interrogated, just didn`t call me and ask for her lawyer.
HAMMER: That`s right. You need to lawyer up, Jane.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Next time, Vinnie. You`re on speed dial.
POLITAN: Yes. Next time. I think it`s significant. I mean, if the jury saw that headstand, that`s not good for Jodi Arias. But I -- you know, the question is, would it prejudice this jury? This is a death-penalty case. How far does the prosecutor want to go in trying to put this stuff in front of the jury?
But let me tell you, any juror sees what she`s doing in that interrogation room, knowing what she has admitted to doing, which is the killing, not necessarily the murder, but the killing, right? This would make her look really, really bad.
HAMMER: Yes. And speaking of going deep, to understand exactly what might have been going on in Jodi`s head, the countdown continues now with our No. 2 brand-new "Jodi Jaw-Dropper" today. This one comes from Vinnie. Look at this. Oh my goodness. A jaw-dropping body slam, and this is coming courtesy of Jennifer Hudson`s fiance. You recognize this guy? That`s David Otunga, who`s also a pro wrestler and Harvard grad.
Watch David and Vinnie re-enacting Jodi`s claim she was body-slammed by Travis Alexander on the bathroom floor but somehow managed to escape.
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OTUNGA, PRO WRESTLER: Jodi, a 5-year-old can hold the camera better than you.
POLITAN: What`s the problem with that?
OTUNGA: The problem with that is Travis is still right here. There`s nothing stopping him. So why doesn`t he get her? How is she able just to run down the hallway?
POLITAN: Unscathed. And she escapes down here, and then he`s chasing her.
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HAMMER: I got to stay, Vinnie, and I`m not kidding, that was actually tough to watch even as a reenactment. But I need to know, now that you actually felt that blow, does Jodi`s claim in any way that she was body- slammed by Travis before she shot him and stabbed him 29 times, does it in any way seem even more bizarre to you now?
POLITAN: Yes, it doesn`t make sense. It`s a tile floor. David Otunga is a professional wrestler. And he was picking me up like a little paper doll.
But to throw another human being in a slam-like fashion onto a tile floor, you`re going to be knocked out. She even said she had the wind knocked out of her. Have you ever seen someone with the wind knocked out of them? It takes time to recover. And she has to do everything within 62 seconds.
And as David and I went through it inside the scene, the mock-up of the scene, it was clear that there was no way her story makes any sense. There`s no way her story is possible.
HAMMER: Well, great work from both of you.
We`ve had body-slams, we`ve had interrogations. And now we have the big reveal of what`s No. 1 on our SHOWBIZ Countdown of today`s top three "Jodi Jaw-Droppers." The startling report today that Jodi is reportedly tweeting from jail with the help of a friend, and she`s got more than 2,000 followers. I`m sure that number is growing every hour.
Get a load of this. There`s also a Web site which is selling drawings Jodi supposedly made, and it`s asking for donations to her. Jane, why in the world would anyone want to donate money to Jodi Arias?
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I don`t think anyone should donate money to Jodi Arias. You can certainly understand, though, why she`s reaching out, because she craves the attention and craves the fame.
And the prosecutor even said she had signed some of her manifesto, meaning her journals, on the chance that she would become famous, and she has become infamous. Which tells you a lot about her character. She can`t get positive attention, go for negative attention.
HAMMER: Vinnie, does it at all seem farfetched to you that she`d be selling her artwork on the Web? It kind of seems to go hand in hand with the profile we`ve got of her at this point.
POLITAN: Absolutely. But here`s a news update from Jodi Arias. I`ve covered trials for a long time. When the trial`s over, at some point, nobody is going to care about Jodi Arias. So this is her moment, whatever it`s worth for her. But it`s not being famous; it`s being infamous. And there`s a huge difference.
HAMMER: Really fascinating stuff tonight, guys. Thank you so much for bringing that to us, Jane and Vinnie. I appreciate it.
And late today the woman behind the Arias Web site confirmed to our Nancy Grace that she is indeed running it for Jodi Arias. For the very latest on the Jodi Arias trial, you`ve got to watch "HLN AFTER DARK" every Monday through Thursday at 10 p.m. Eastern.
All right. You have to get ready now for another truly incredible SHOWBIZ Countdown tonight, Secrets of the Jury." I love this. Jurors from some of the most sensational trials ever are right here sharing their inside secrets about the Jodi Arias case. So from their experience, what do they think of the domestic abuse expert?
Find out how the CSI effect might impact this case. Mike Belmessieri helped convict Scott Peterson. Ricardo Enriquez was on the Phil Spector jury. And tonight they are here with us helping us count down to the No. 1 Jodi Arias "Jury Secret."
Plus SHOWBIZ Tearjerker. The little girl who wished for her Marine Daddy to come home.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Daddy, come home.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (singing): I`m wishing, I`m wishing for the one I love.
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HAMMER: This is the Disney reunion that has to be one of the most magical moments of the year. I can`t wait to show it to you. And I dare you not to cry when we reveal how it all went down.
This is SBT, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, on HLN.
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MORGAN FREEMAN, ACTOR: I`ve been watching you, Jack. You`re curious. What are you looking for in those books? Do they bring back old memories?
TOM CRUISE, ACTOR: You`re not getting anything from me. My memory`s been wiped to protect...
FREEMAN: Security of admission.
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HAMMER: Love that dramatic entrance by Morgan Freeman. So cool. Tom Cruise with Morgan in their big new sci-fi thriller "Oblivion." This movie is getting huge buzz tonight, some people even saying it could be Tom Cruise`s biggest blockbuster in years.
And SHOWBIZ TONIGHT was on location with Cruise at the premiere of "Oblivion." I can tell you that Tom spent an hour outside the theater in Hollywood. He was taking pictures, signing autographs for dozens and dozens of fans before doing interviews. Got to love that.
And that brings us right to tonight`s "SHOWBIZ Quick Hits." This is when we fire through today`s hot topics with lightning speed.
And with me tonight from Hollywood, the lovely Selena Johnson. She is one of the stars of "R&B divas."
Always good to see you, Selena. Let`s get the "Quick Hits" party started right away with Tom Cruise. OK? Tom just told SHOWBIZ TONIGHT that he thinks "Oblivion" is going to be a huge hit. Let`s watch.
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CRUISE: Haven`t done a sci-fi like this since really "Minority Report." And because this sci-fi, it has -- it`s a mystery. It has a real thriller aspect and twists and turns until the very final frame of the movie.
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HAMMER: Now, I can`t wait, but of course, Tom has taken a pretty big hit since his divorce shocker with Katie Holmes. Selena, here`s our "Quick Hits" question. Is Tom still Hollywood`s biggest star? You got 30 seconds. Go.
SELENA JOHNSON, R&B SINGER/REALITY STAR: Hello? He`s Tom Cruise. Clearly. Better not nobody say nothing about Tom Cruise, because I love him. And I don`t care what anybody says, but he`s a star. He has star power. He`s in his 50s. He`s still an action figure. He`s a phenomenal actor. Of course, he`s still a star, and of course, I`m going to go see his movie until he`s dead.
HAMMER: Right on. And you can even see it afterwards. But that`s a long way down the road.
JOHNSON: Yes.
HAMMER: He still sits very high atop the A-list. I agree with you.
All right. We`re moving right on now to LeAnn Rimes and Eddie Cibrian`s new sitcom. Brand-new reports today that the celebrity power couple may be close to signing a deal for a TV show based on their own lives, which is pretty wild when you consider, you know, this is a couple famous for cheating when they were both still married to other people.
Selena, 30 seconds for this "Quick Hits" question: as someone who knows a lot about putting her life on camera as you do, is a LeAnn/Eddie sitcom brilliant or bananas?
JOHNSON: Well, if it`s scripted, that might be good. If it`s a reality show, no bueno. I think that it`s good to be able to tell your own story. We`ve not heard their side of the story. There`s two sides to every story. Well, there`s three: there`s their story, the other people`s story, and the truth.
So possibly this could be a good thing, but it could also backfire. Sometimes maybe you should just keep things to yourself and live your life, and that would be a better stance.
HAMMER: Yes, it will be very interesting. If it is a sitcom, I guess it obviously will be scripted, so it will be interesting to see how much of their own lives it reflects.
JOHNSON: Yes.
HAMMER: But I`m not going to waste a second getting to "Quick Hit" No. 3 tonight. Gwyneth Paltrow`s brand-new cookbook defense. So the star just took critics on by having an appearance on "Good Morning America." Now some people are saying the recipes in this book outrageously expensive, way out of touch with the way real people eat. Here`s Gwyneth`s response.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So when people were getting all worried that, "Oh my gosh, Gwyneth Paltrow is giving her kids some weird diet where they can`t eat anything, you know, like grilled cheese sandwiches and tomato soup..."
GWYNETH PALTROW, ACTRESS: That`s all they eat. Macaroni and cheese. And no. People get things very wrong and don`t sort of open the book and actually see what is -- what is what.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are these recipes easy? Or are they...
PALTROW: Very.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There was one criticism I read that, you know, it would take $80 a day to make some of this food.
PALTROW: That is insane. I mean, this meal here is, like, $2 a person.
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HAMMER: There you go. Only $2 a person, Selena. Here`s this "Quick Hits" question. Are you smelling what Gwyneth is cooking? Thirty seconds on the clock.
JOHNSON: I am selling what Gwyneth is cooking. As a certified nutrition consultant, I think that most ingredients that are good for you are expensive, and that`s the problem with nutrition in today`s society.
I think her releasing a book like this is brave. It`s awesome. And it`s going to be a good asset for moms who are trying to make meals that are nutritious, as well as good for worrying about their allergies and things like that. So it`s a different approach. Not always the same kind of foods. I think it`s great.
HAMMER: All right, Selena, love your expert opinion. The clock has finished. I appreciate you being here.
JOHNSON: Thank you for having me.
HAMMER: And I want everybody to catch Selena on season two of "R&B Divas."
JOHNSON: Yes.
HAMMER: Great having you here. That gets under way May 1.
JOHNSON: Thank you, A.J.
HAMMER: You`re welcome.
Well, we move on right now to an amazing SHOWBIZ Countdown, "Secrets of the Jury." Jurors from some of the most infamous trials ever are giving me their inside secrets on the Jodi Arias case. What questions would they ask the domestic abuse expert? Was it wrong for that jury to have been kicked off the trial? I`ve got jurors from the Scott Peterson and Phil Spector trials right here tonight. We`re going to find out what they think of the Jodi Arias case. And what will be their No. 1 jury secret?
Plus, TV goes to the dogs. Really, I mean it. It`s TV meant for your dogs.
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HAMMER: So soothing. I feel relaxed already. It`s our "SHOWBIZ Moment of Awesomeness." You don`t have to be with your dog to watch it.
This is SBT, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, on HLN.
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HAMMER: So Jay-Z has gone from Marcy (ph) to Hollywood, and now he`s making another transition. Sports agent. It is time for the "SHOWBIZ Bleacher Report," the biggest sports stories that are trending right now.
HLN`s Carlos Diaz is here to give us the low-down on Jay`s new venture and tell us why the former No. 1 golfer in the world has arguably one of the hottest caddies on the planet.
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CARLOS DIAZ, HLN SPORTS CORRESPONDENT: Love was in the air at the master`s yesterday. That`s right, A.J. Rory McIlroy`s famous girlfriend and tennis star, Caroline Wozniacki, caddied for him during the Par 3 contest. She wore the full proper Master`s caddie attire at the Master`s Par 3 contest. She also wore a big old ring. They claim they`re not engaged. Danish women wear their rings on different fingers. So don`t be thinking that they`re engaged.
Now, McIlroy looked rough on the tennis court. But I`m sure his girlfriend is going to look good on the ninth hole. No, she doesn`t. She`s right in the water. Oh, but she still has the power of love.
Jay-Z is reportedly dumping his small ownership stake in the Brooklyn Nets in order to expand his sports agency business. Last month Jay-Z announced that his Rock Nation Sports would be repping players like the Yankees` Robinson Cano. But Jay can`t back NBA players and have an ownership state in the Nets, because that would be a conflict of interest. So it`s bye-bye Brooklyn, reportedly. Jay-Z`s reps said they have no comment on the report.
And a goat head was delivered to Wrigley Field with the package addressed specifically to Cubs owner Tom Ricketts. You see, the Cubs haven`t won the World Series in 105 years. And many people blame it on the curse of the billy-goat. A Cubs fan back in 1945 tried to bring a live goat into Wrigley Field. He was denied, so he supposedly put a hex on the team. And every year, there`s something to do with a billy-goat, but this time it went a little too far, if you ask me. I mean, come on. Seriously, a goat`s head?
A.J., back to you.
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HAMMER: I`m with you, Carlos. That`s just plain creepy. You can catch Carlos Diaz with "Bleacher Report" every weekday morning on "MORNING EXPRESS WITH ROBIN MEADE" right here on HLN.
All right. Let us switch gears now, because I am firing up a very special SHOWBIZ Countdown, "Secrets of the Jury." Jurors from some of the biggest trials of our time sharing their inside secrets about the Jodi Arias case. So what do they think of the juror who got kicked off the case? And will the "CSI Effect" affect the Arias jury? What`s the No. 1 jury secret?
Mike Belmessieri and Ricardo Enriquez, jurors from the Scott Peterson and Phil Spector trials, right here for this special SHOWBIZ Countdown.
And get ready for a SHOWBIZ Tearjerker tonight.
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JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): With Daddy gone for seven months to Afghanistan, no wonder 4-year-old Alyssa Brown gave Snow White this wish.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Daddy come home.
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HAMMER: A little girl`s wish comes true at Disneyland. And I have got her magical reunion with her Marine dad. So grab the tissue box for this one.
This is SBT, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, on HLN.
It`s time now for "SHOWBIZ Say What?" Justin Timberlake speaking out at a student workshop at the White House this week. So what do you think Justin is really sharing with the students? Here are some of your thoughts.
One person writing, "Hold on, you`re trying to tell me I should have been wearing a suit and tie?"
And another says "Stop, collaborate and listen."
Keep your great thoughts coming. Send us your "SHOWBIZ Say What?" thought bubble suggestions at HLNTV.com/showbiztonight.
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HAMMER: Right now the SHOWBIZ Countdown, "Secrets of the Jury." Jurors from some of the biggest trials of our time share their inside secrets. Jurors from the Phil Spector and Scott Peterson murder trials are right here tonight to reveal what might really be going on now with the Jodi Arias jury. Are the jurors being influenced by TV crime shows?
What should jurors ask the psychologist who is backing up Jodi`s abuse claims? What will be the No. 1 "Jodi Jury Secret" revealed on the SHOWBIZ Countdown?
Plus a secret wish at Disney Land that made a little girl smile but it is sure to bring tears to your eyes. It`s tonight SHOWBIZ Tearjerker, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT continues right now.
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HAMMER: Welcome back SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, thanks for watching. I`m A.J Hammer. And tonight on the SHOWBIZ Countdown, we are digging into the top three secrets of the Jodi Arias jury and I`m going directly to the people who know.
With us tonight are jurors who served on two of the most notorious cases in recent years. Ricardo Enrique served on the very first trial of legendary record producer Phil Spector who was convicted at his first trial. Ricardo in Hollywood tonight. And in San Francisco tonight Mike Belmessieri who was on the jury that convicted Scott Peterson murdering his wife and their unborn child.
So great to have you guys here, we are kicking off the countdown with number three. What`s the secret behind how the jurors must keep their mouth shut? Now Jury number five in the Jodi Arias` murder trial has just kicked off the case after months of being there for the trial for reportedly cracking a joke about one of the defenses key witnesses and in a brand new interview with Phoenix affiliate KPNX she defends herself, watch this.
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UNIDENDTIFIED PARTICIPANT: I don`t really see myself in the center of attention and I shouldn`t be in any case. But it`s a good opportunity for -- to be part of the jury Jodi. But in my case I guess that was not --
UNIDENDTIFIED PARTICIPANT: You wish that you would have stayed on?
UNIDENDTIFIED PARTICIPANT: Yes.
UNIDENDTIFIED PARTICIPANT: Are you going to go back to the trial and watch from the gallery?
UNIDENDTIFIED PARTICIPANT: I don`t know. After yesterday there was so many reporters chasing me and you know--
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HAMMER: Imaging being a part of that and so invested for so long and then like that it`s gone. Ricardo, let me start with you. Tell me about that pressure that you face when you are sitting on a jury in such a notorious case as you have to be so careful about what you say, help us understand what the Arias jurors are likely going through as far as that is concerned?
RICARDO ENRIQUE, JUROR FROM PHIL SPECTOR TRIAL: Well, I`m sure that the judge has instructed them to make sure that they do not discuss this among themselves, which is something that we were instructed by the judge on a daily basis so it`s not difficult because we were reminded daily.
HAMMER: See I will think that it would be top and Mike let me ask you, I mean I`m sure you had to hold your tongue, during testimony in the Scott Peterson trial, help us understand how the Arias jurors are doing that based on what you went through.
MIKE BELMESSIERI, JUROR FROM SCOTT PETERSON TRIAL: Well, didn`t feel -- I need to hold my tongue, the judge had admonished us and told us as Ricardo said, everyday that we were not to discuss this case even among ourselves. And so there is so much pressure on you to not do that and it`s just simply your duty to not do so. So you know, we had one juror, we had three juries dismissed but only one -- no two was dismissed, one, because he became more of a destruction than a contribution to the system and the other because she went on and acknowledged that she had done a search at a particular Web site. We just simply didn`t discuss the case unless we in deliberations because that was our duty, that was our responsibility.
People find out -- your honor, jury like Peterson, they come out and say "Oh, I`m a Peterson jury" yes, and they leave it at that because it`s no one`s business what`s going on in that court room and you can`t discuss it anywhere. It`s a matter of what you`ve been told not to do and it`s very clear.
HAMMER: It`s just so instinct to me because it`s not something that happens every day in your life or you are basically given this instructions and you have to follow them, so I would think it would be possible -- and Ricardo tell me if even casually at any point maybe you said something about the case that you didn`t think at the time but then maybe realized later if anybody found that out you might have been worried it could have caused a problem.
ENRIQUE: Well, there was times that after the defense attorneys will present the defense witnesses and some of the things that they were saying were so beyond common sense that once going back into the jury room we sit across from one another and kind of maybe role our eyes and be really silent knowing that we just being fed some BFs and then we go amongst our daily business talking about birthdays and what`s for lunch, but they will be an initial like, look each other in the eye and kind of like lower our eyes.
HAMMER: Sure, it is a lot to bottle up but there are a lot of burning questions left to be asked in the Jodi Arias trial that takes us to number two on our (INAUDIBLE) jury`s secret. What kind of questions should the Arias jury ask the controversial domestic violence expect who has been testifying for more than a week for the defense, supporting Jodi`s claim that she was abused by her boyfriend Travis Alexander before she killed him, now her testimony followed that of a doctor who testified for the defense that he believes that Jodi suffered from post traumatic stress disorder and that`s why she might have no memory of the killing, now the jury asked the doctor how he could be so sure that she wasn`t just flat out lying?
Watch this.
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UNIDENDTIFIED PARTICIPANT: Can you be sure Jodi is not lying to you about the events on June 4, 2008?
UNIDENDTIFIED PARTICIPANT: Not with a 100 percent certainty. I can`t say that. However, when you look at the repeated stories, several different times, asked the same questions, the story was not 100 percent the same but the basic aspect of the question was sufficient and it seemed to at least with certain elements be consistent with the description of the crime scene, so I would say that there is a very strong probability that when she finally told the right story, the second story that she was being truthful at that time.
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HAMMER: OK, so now we have the domestic expect on the stand who has been testifying that Travis Alexander abuse Arias leading up to his brutal slaying. We all know that the jury is going to get to ask her questions. Mike I know you didn`t get to do that during your trial but what do you think is going through the jurors heads right now.
BELMESSIERI: Well, one of the things that went through their head when the first juror was dismissed was they got a reality check and you know, the first thing that they did or probably will do is who rattled this person out, so to speak. And they got passed that and they realized that the right thing to do was to not speak about it. Right now they are sitting back and they are just taking everything in and individually sorting through all of the information they`ve got and it would have been nice to be able to ask those questions for us but then again, what will we ask Peterson, I mean the man doesn`t know the truth and it`s beating him behind.
So yes, that sort of thing but you know, back on to the first question, I - - just came to mind that one of the things that I was asked by one of the jurors just talking to on the way down lunch was he questioned the issue of testimony by one of the jurors relative to search and seizure under the Fourth Amendment and I just told him that we don`t talk about the case, it`s just that simple, I told him that the judge will tell us what to except and what not to except this testimony and if the judge knew the same thing, leave it alone we can`t talk about the case so let`s move forward.
HAMMER: Right, I want to move forward here Mike, because it`s been fascinating for everybody to see the defenses domestic abuse expect responding to the prosecutor who asked about Jodi manipulating other people in her life, the psychologist said she cannot characterize Jodi as being manipulative despite talking to other people in Jodi`s life who say she was.
Let`s watch that.
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UNIDENDTIFIED PARTICIPANT: Even if I say I believe that she was manipulative that time, it doesn`t mean I believe as a characteristic that she is. I could believe that she was manipulative at that time, it does not -- it`s situational, it doesn`t mean that I believe as a characteristic of Ms. Arias that she is a manipulative person.
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HAMMER: I hear that and it sounds like a lot of double speak. But if you were on that Arias` Jury Ricardo, what can`t you wait to ask that woman on the stand.
ENRIQUE: How much did she get paid? One of the things that always surprise me at the prospect of murder trial was the amount of money that the defense will admit to that each of the expert witnesses was getting paid.
HAMMER: And did that diminish the credibility of them right away for you?
ENRIQUE: It did for me in conjunction with some of the answers that were given to the answers given to the question that was presented to them which were totally beyond any kind of common sense or physics, it just didn`t make any sense. They were paid to maintain a certain line and that was to defend Phil Spector.
HAMMER: Yes, and they are doing their job. One more thing we might ask you guys about to give us a fascinating look at the secret of the Jodi Arias jury, it is number one on the SHOWBIZ Countdown, that big review is coming up in just a moment, can`t wait to hear what you guys have to say.
Also, fairy tales can come true with a little Disney magic and a little help from Snow White, this is a fairy tale wish that one little girl will never forget. With daddy gone for seven months to Afghanistan, no wonder four year old Alyssa Brown gave Snow White this wish.
It`s tonight SHOWBIZ Tearjerker and wait till you see when we name this our moment of SHOWBIZ Awesomeness tonight.
This is SBT, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT on HLN.
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HAMMER: Welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, I`m A.J. Hammer and tonight on the SHOWBIZ Countdown the top three secrets of the Jodi Arias jury and here is where we are so far. At number three, revelations of how the in the Jodi Arias case must sit there absolutely stone faced, day in and day out and they can`t talk about the case. And number two, what kinds of questions should the areas jury ask the controversial domestic violence expert who`s been being testifying for the defense.
Back with us from Hollywood, I`m so pleased to have Ricardo Enrique here, he has already served on the first murder trial of the legendary record producer Phil Spector, Mike Belmessieri is also here with us from San Francisco, he was on the jury that convicted Scott Peterson of murdering his wife and an unborn child.
So here is our number one on the countdown, the secret of how the Jodi Arias jury might be influenced by watching TV con shows, the so-called CSI effect. Now I just spoke with Jim Clemente, he is an advisor and a writer on the hit CBS show "Criminal Minds." Watch what he told us.
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JIM CLEMENTE, WRITER, CBS`S "CRIMINAL MINDS": It raise the bar for all witnesses whether the defendant or the prosecution witnesses and basically if you look at the profound effect that TV has had on just the general population when LA Law was out for example, female law school admissions went up 20 percent.
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HAMMER: Ricardo, you heard Jim, it has raised the bar and people now really want to get into law and to some degree feel they are expects. Did you see any of that when you were juror in the Phil Spector trial.
ENRIQUE: Yes, during deliberations a couple of the jurors who were going through the evidence said " God, if we only had a camera or a video or sound, it would have made it much easier" and I said "but we don`t". Based on the evidence, we`ve got to come up with a verdict. We don`t have a camera, we don`t have audio, we have to think and back on the evidence and come up with something.
HAMMER: Mike, did you witness the CSI effect at all on the Scott Peterson case?
BELMESSIERI: It`s funny you should say CSI because during deliberations we were deliberating over the very fact and one of the jurors said, "This isn`t CSI, guys," and I just thought about that when you said -- actually we are pretty sources group of people I think, we didn`t go beyond what our realm of expertise was, I have a degree in administration of justice, I`ve said as police officer, I`ve been involved in homicide investigation and what have you but you know, when you are on a jury, like the one the jury said, this isn`t CSI, don`t dig deep, don`t go beyond what your area of expertise is, if in fact your area is even expert short of that area.
HAMMER: But of course as we always see in daily life, really from so many influences we see how TV shows of all varieties can affect how we act, what we think we know, Ricardo, I`m curious, how do you think that the CSI effect might play into what the areas jury decide?
ENRIQUE: It`s hard to say, one of the things I did bring up during the deliberations was let`s say we know dinosaurs exist, it`s a theory, but a theory based on facts, so the same thing with the Phil Spector murder trial. There was two people involved and we kind of made it look like two people walked into a cloud, one person is dead, and based on the evidence what could have happened. And sure for me, it wasn`t her committing suicide.
HAMMER: Well we certainly got even more insight into the CSI effects from "Criminal Minds" advisor Jim Clemente that we had on, he told me how jurors know criminals and their behavior because they watch crime shows on TV and he told me how it makes so many people want to work within the criminal justice system, this is great, watch this.
CLEMENTE: When X-FILES came out the FBI was flooded with applications, it definitely affects the general population and those -- unless those jurors never watch TV, they are going to be affected by it. They know more today, they know about sophistication and they know about how criminals can lie and they know how difficult the job of a cop is.
HAMMER: Now Ricardo, very quickly, did he get the sense of anybody on your jury knew when they heard lies or thought they did because of perhaps what they had seen on TV in terms of how these shows deal with cases?
ENRIQUE: It`s hard to say, I mean, we -- you know, some of the defense experts are really out there so it really didn`t take a lot to figure out that they were not being that truthful.
HAMMER: Interesting, all right, Ricardo and Mike, it`s been so great to have you back here, thank you so much, you guys have such special insight, thanks again. And as we switch gears now, we are going to a secret wish at Disneyland, it made a little girl smile but this thing is going to bring tears to your eyes.
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UNIDENDTIFIED PARTICIPANT: With Daddy gone for seven months to Afghanistan, no wonder four wonder four year old Alyssa Brown gave Snow White this wish.
HAMMER: Find out Alyssa`s fairytale ending, it`s tonight SHOWBIZ Tearjerker. Plus wait till you see what we have named as our moment of SHOWBIZ Awesomeness tonight.
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HAMMER: Now a true SHOWBIZ Tearjerker. I`m talking about the little girl who got the wish of a life time that`s four year old Alyssa Brown, all she wanted was for her Marine dad to come home from Afghanistan, so when she went to the wish him well at Disneyland with Snow White holding her hand, she got an amazing surprise.
CNN`s Jeanne Moos has the story of this magical reunion, just make or grab a tissue box.
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JEANNE MOOS, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice over): When Show White has you by the hand and you`re headed for the wishing well at Disney Land you better come up with a good wish.
JENNIFER LOVE BROWN: Alyssa`s had a hard time with her father being gone. She`s a daddy`s girl.
MOOS: And with Daddy gone for seven months to Afghanistan, no wonder the four-year-old Alyssa Brown gave Snow white this wish.
ALYSSA BROWN: Daddy come home.
MOOS: Hide your eyes, don`t peek.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m wishing, I`m wishing for the one I love --
MOOS: And while Alyssa was wishing, not peeking, who should appear.
SCOTT BROWN, MARINE ON LEAVE: Hi, baby.
MOOS: But the one she loved. We`ll let Alyssa give you the play-by- play.
A. BROWN: I gave him a big hug.
MOOS: A hug she`s happy to recreate sitting in their San Diego home.
(on camera): You know, Scott, I kept expecting you to pop out of the wishing well.
S. BROWN: That would have been a pretty cool trick, but we just kept it simple for this one.
MOOS: It was made simpler because the Browns had a friend of a friend who has a sister working in PR at Disney Land and she helped with the Marine Lieutenant`s request. But when it was his 14-month-old son Liam`s turn to greet Daddy --
Liam looked scared of you.
S. BROWN: Well yes he was only seven months old when I left and he`s only seen pictures of me and the Daddy doll.
MOOS: That would be deployment Daddy doll. With Lieutenant Brown`s picture on it.
A. BROWN: I miss you, Daddy.
MOOS: This was the day when Alyssa first laid eyes on her dad`s stand in. Within a few hours of the reunion, Liam was getting used to his daddy, playing and cuddling.
(on camera): But there is a down side to going to a wishing well and making your kid`s wish come true. Alyssa has already told her parents --
J. BROWN: My next wish is for a puppy. Wish for a puppy, no, we got a brother instead.
MOOS: Maybe that wishing well worked a little too well.
A. BROWN: Puppy.
J. BROWN: I don`t think Snow White can bring a puppy.
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HAMMER: CNN`s Jeanne Moos tonight, such a sweet story, I do hope Alyssa gets those puppies and maybe a dog will be interested in tonight`s moment of SHOWBIZ Awesomeness.
If you are a dog lover or TV is just making you howl for something new, I`m telling you, you are going to love Dog TV. Move over, Bravo, we`ve got TV`s hot new network next.
This is SBT, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT on HLN.
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Coming up next on "DR. DREW ON CALL", Dr. Drew shares a never before seen childhood pictures of Jodi Arias, that starts right now.
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