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Jodi Arias Secrets Revealed; Interview with Kato Kaelin; Interview with Director Kevin Smith
Aired April 18, 2013 - 23:00 ET
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AJ HAMMER, HOST: Well, we saw on "HLN After Dark," that bold accusation, Jodi is a danger to society. And tonight on the SHOWBIZ countdown, it`s Jodi Arias secrets revealed, including the surprising side of Jodi just revealed by her best friend.
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PATTI, JODI ARIAS CHILDHOOD FRIEND: She was a sweet girl, you know. Just kind of girl that you just always wanted to be around.
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HAMMER: Was Jodi really a sweet girl?
Plus, what`s it like to be grilled as a witness in a headline making case like the Arias trial? Well, Kato Kaelin survived the O.J. trial. He`s right here tonight to reveal the secrets of the witness stand. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT starts right now.
Hello and thank you for watching. I`m A.J. Hammer. And now that "HLN After Dark" has settled tonight`s bold accusation about Jodi Arias, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT is right here with an eye-opening SHOWBIZ countdown. We`re counting down the top three just revealed Jodi Arias secrets.
Mike Galanos anchors HLN`s daytime live coverage of the Jodi Arias murder trial. Mike is with us tonight from Atlanta.
And Judge Alex Ferrer is the host of hit syndicated "Judge Alex" show. He is with us from Miami tonight. And gentlemen, we are kicking off the countdown with No. 3. The secrets about Jodi Arias just revealed to HLN`s own Nancy Grace by one of Jodi`s childhood friends. This is a woman who only wants to be known by her first name, Patti.
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PATTI: Growing up with Jodi, it was a good childhood. She was a sweet girl, you know, the kind of girl that you just always wanted to be around. She was fun. She always had a smile on her face. She`s just the sweetest thing. And she was a great friend to have.
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HAMMER: Not necessarily what you would have expected. The sweetest thing. Great friend to have. Certainly not the Jodi that we know today, accused of course of shooting her boyfriend, Travis, and then stabbing him 29 times.
Judge Alex, let me begin with you and get your perspective as a former criminal court judge who really saw some pretty ugly cases. Should we be shocked that someone who was once apparently so sweet could be accused of something so awful?
ALEX FERRER, JUDGE ALEX: No, we shouldn`t. In fact, I have no doubt that she was sweet. She was probably sweet right up until the point she stabbed him in the chest, slit his throat and shot him in the head. At that point, the sweetness kind of wears off. But the public perception is that people who do evil things must look evil. They expect them to look like monsters.
Ted Bundy was a serial killer. He was actually very charming and likable. That`s why he was so successful at it. And defense attorneys, good defense attorneys like Mark, they are aware of the perception problem. And their clients are very clean-cut when they come to court. They might have looked like somebody you don`t want to run into in an alley when they committed the crime, but when they get to court, their hair is cut, they have a haircut, they have a cardigan sweater on. I had a lawyer put glasses on a guy who didn`t wear glasses, because a jury looks at him and says, no way, this guy could not have committed that crime.
HAMMER: Mike, you have followed every second of the Jodi Arias trial. Did that characterization, a sweet woman, a good friend, did that surprise you at all?
MIKE GALANOS, HLN ANCHOR: I think a little bit. To your point, A.J., of what we`ve heard in court and what Judge Alex was just talking about, the brutality of the murder. But I think that adds to the intrigue of this case. I found it fascinating to look at the pictures, and there is one right there of Jodi younger, maybe a tween here in the child photos. She looks like she`s full of life here, and there`s the smile right on cue. Because you see her in court, and she looks empty, almost soulless. Here, as she`s smiling, you`re like what happened? And I think that`s why we are so into this case. What went wrong, where you would end up killing Travis Alexander?
HAMMER: And you have to wonder what people who knew her at those ages are thinking as they watch this trial play out. As you can imagine, Jodi`s childhood friend that spoke with Nancy Grace is having a pretty hard time watching Jodi`s murder trial. Watch what she told Nancy Grace specifically about what.
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NANCY GRACE, HLN ANCHOR: What has been the hardest thing for you during this trial? For instance, the hardest testimony that you`ve heard?
PATTI: I definitely would have to say that hearing Jodi admit to killing Travis was definitely the hardest.
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HAMMER: Judge Alex, even Jodi`s friend right there seemingly having a very hard time believing that Jodi might have turned into this cold-blooded killer. But should that be any surprise?
FERRER: Well, sometimes it is and sometimes it isn`t. We all have seen cases where the friends or neighbors come out and go, wow, I had no idea. I mean, she just wasn`t like that. And then we see cases where like, I don`t know, maybe A.J., you kill somebody tomorrow, and maybe the public will come out and go, I saw it coming, I could have warned everybody. There are cases like that. So you just never know. You get both, actually.
HAMMER: Yes. Let`s hope that`s not what people are thinking about me right now, but I digress. But as we move on, we may actually finally have an answer to a question we have been asking ever since the Jodi Arias trial began and turned into this major, major thing. It`s no. 2 on our SHOWBIZ countdown of the brand new Jodi Arias secrets revealed. Look at these two women side by side. Lifetime telling SHOWBIZ TONIGHT they may have found the actress to play Jodi in their upcoming TV movie, "Dirty Little Secret: The Jodi Arias Story." It`s Tania Raymonde. If you recognize her, it`s because she played Ben`s daughter on one of my favorite shows ever, "Lost." Apparently she`s in final talks to play Jodi. You see the resemblance there at all? It`s actually not so bad. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT also has learned that Lifetime has cast Travis Alexander`s part. He`s being played by Jesse Lee Soffer.
Mike, you`ve been living and breathing this, as I`ve said, watching this trial every day here on HLN in the afternoon. What do you think about the casting? Are they pretty spot on here?
GALANOS: Yes. I think it`s going to play well. I mean, they will make a good looking couple, as were Jodi and Travis. Yes, it`s made for TV. Why do you think we`re getting the numbers, why do you think we`re getting the interest? Because you have all the intrigue, all of the details. So, yes, I think well cast if it all comes to pass, A.J.
HAMMER: Well, not only right there are we getting a look at the guy who`s going to play Travis Alexander, we`re also getting a brand new exclusive look tonight at the man that Jodi is accused of killing. That`s No. 1 on our SHOWBIZ countdown of Jodi Arias secrets revealed. Travis Alexander in this video, that`s him, clowning around here. Playing this wacky alter ago named Eddie Snell. They did this for a sales training video when he was working. The video debuted exclusively on HLN`s "Dr. Drew On Call." Let`s have a bigger look here.
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TRAVIS ALEXANDER: Well, that`s our freaking business. What do you think? Are you in?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, I don`t know. I just got married. I`m going to have to talk to my wife.
ALEXANDER: Going to talk to you wife?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
ALEXANDER: Going to talk to your wife?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yeah.
ALEXANDER: OK. Hey-o! Hey-o! What about you? Do you want to talk to your wife? You good to go? Yes, I thought so.
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HAMMER: Again, that`s not a spoof. I know it looks silly and it looks goofy. That`s actually Travis Alexander right there. Obviously a person that we`ve heard a great deal about during this trial. Probably more than anybody thought would be out there for the world to hear. Judge Alex, it is pretty jarring to see him like this, clowning around, obviously having fun in this video, especially when we know what eventually happened to him.
FERRER: Yes. It is actually kind of embarrassing to think if someday something happens to me where I`m victimized, I don`t really want that kind of footage of me coming forward. I`d rather people remember me a slightly different way, but you know, that`s the thing. We take our victims how we find them. They are real people. They do crazy things. They do embarrassing things. I`m sure somewhere a lawyer would try to find a way to manipulate that into showing, hey, see how violent he was. It obviously was a joking moment. The people who worked with him enjoyed it, and it showed he had a sense of humor.
HAMMER: The guy who provided that video, by the way, exclusively to HLN`s Dr. Drew, was a friend of Travis. He told Drew what kind of guy that he found Travis to be. Let`s listen to that.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All the interaction I had with him, he was always positive, engaging, energetic. I, to be quite honest, never saw him get mad. So it`s hard to see that side. Obviously, you never know. I`m not with him 24/7. But I, every interaction I had with him was uplifting, was engaging, was fun. So it`s difficult to hear some of these things. And I just -- I can`t see it.
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HAMMER: So, silly as it may be, Mike, to that gentleman`s point. The gentleman who furnished that video, and I assume he did it because he knew it would give us this more complete look at this murder victim. And it truly accomplishes that, doesn`t it?
GALANOS: Yes. I think it adds to the sadness as we watch here, I mean, he`s playing this character, Eddie Snell. He`s got the mullet and the shorts, the daisy dukes. It`s funny. In a sense -- this was a guy that wasn`t afraid to make people laugh. And you heard the words. Uplifting, engaging. Was fun to be around, Travis Alexander, a guy who never got mad, so it adds, I think, again, to the sadness. This guy is so full of life, gone so soon.
HAMMER: Adds to the sadness. And I think it adds to the sympathy factor and the compassion towards Travis, and inevitably it`s not a particularly good thing for Jodi, at least in the court of public opinion.
Mike, Judge Alex, I really appreciate you both being here. And Judge Alex, you were the center of another huge case that`s getting some pretty big buzz tonight. It`s the subject of a brand new movie called "Pain and Gain," starring Mark Wahlberg and The Rock. I want to take a little look at that.
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THE ROCK: I cannot kill.
MARK WAHLBERG: Duly noted. Look, when this is over, we`ll all go camping. All right?
THE ROCK: OK.
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HAMMER: That`s your SHOWBIZ first look, but some people are actually furious over this film. The question is, is it outrageous to make fun of what these real-life gang members did? Judge Alex, who presided over this very case, stay where you are, because I need your take when we come back.
And I`ve got a fascinating Jodi Arias SHOWBIZ newsmaker interview for you tonight you won`t want to miss. Imagine what it`s like getting grilled day after day as a witness in such a high-profile case like the Jodi Arias trial. Could you endure all the questioning? Could you deal with the overnight fame? Well, this guy, Kato Kaelin, is right here to reveal how he survived the O.J. Simpson trial. You got to hear what he has to say about the Jodi Arias case as well. This is SBT, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT on HLN.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: -- deserves bad stuff to happen to him.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If we go through with this, nobody gets hurt, right?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There he is! We grab him, sign a few signatures. We give him a protein shake. He doesn`t even know what happened.
I watch a lot of movies, Paul. I know what I`m doing.
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HAMMER: Tonight the remarkable story behind "Pain and Gain," the new movie starring Mark Wahlberg and The Rock about real-life kidnappings, torture, and murder. But the families of some of those real-life victims are outraged. Because it`s being billed as a comedy.
It was a murder case that shocked the nation back in the `90s when it was first revealed, the story of the Sun Jim Gang in Miami. Bodybuilders who kidnapped, tortured and murdered their victims. Now, Hollywood is taking that real-life drama, and in a stunning turn, pushed it to the big screen as a dark comedy, directed by Michael Bay of "Transformers" fame.
When they were brought to trial, Judge Alex Ferrer was right there presiding over the case years before his hit syndicated show, "Judge Alex." He is back with us tonight from Miami.
This was always such a fascinating case to me, Judge Alex. The Sun Jim Gang`s crime spree involved this get-rich-quick scheme using kidnapping, torture, murder. Now there`s this movie. Your feature this weekend on CBS`s "48 Hours," and they are focusing on the case for which you were the judge. Just how bad were these guys?
FERRER: These guys were bad. There`s no question. And I certainly understand the criticism, but it`s Hollywood. I mean, let`s face it. When "Inglorious Basterds" came out with Brad Pitt, that was a great movie, but it was also a dark comedy. There were lighthearted, funny moments when they made fun of Hitler and things like that, and nobody would really laugh at the Holocaust. So I certainly understand the families` concern and their feelings. Nobody has the perspective of the family of a victim. They have a unique perspective. But at the end of the day, it is Hollywood. And these guys, to get a real feel for them, the book the movie`s based on, "Pain and Gain" by Pete Collins, it really sets exactly what they`re like.
And I`m going to be going to the premiere on Monday. So I`ll be glad to come back and tell you what`s in the movie and what`s not in the movie and the tone after I see it Monday, if you`d like.
HAMMER: Yes. Well, it`s going to be very interesting to see how people do react to it, because as we`ve been saying, the families of these real-life victims are really ticked off. Frank Grigo was a victim who was murdered and dismembered, along with his girlfriend.
Let me read you what his sister told "The Miami Herald" about this and the idea that she thinks it`s ridiculous to have made it into a comedy. She specifically said "it`s horrible, what happened to them. I don`t want the American public to be sympathetic to the killers." So that sounds like that`s the real concern here. Judge Alex, sympathy for the killers. Do you think that`s a legit concern?
FERRER: It is absolutely a legit concern coming from the victim. Absolutely. No question about it. Do I think that, like, the public`s take on the way they`re portrayed on film is in any way going to affect the outcome of their sentence? No, I don`t. Because I think that there are movies, and then there`s reality. The reality is these were some sick individuals who committed some horrific, horrific crimes. And, you know, once you get past the veneer of Hollywood, which is entertainment, that`s what Hollywood is trying to do. If they do a movie that is -- I hear it`s very, very accurate compared to what really happened. But they`ve got to make the two perps a little likable, or nobody`s going to go see the movie. But at the end of the day, it`s because it`s entertainment.
HAMMER: You mentioned, though, and had talked about how brutal and gruesome their crimes were. Let`s take a look at a bit of what we`ll see when the movie plays out in theaters.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`ve got to get a pump.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It hurts. I know it does. That`s it. Get it.
THE ROCK: You said no violence.
WAHLBERG: And I meant it when I said it. I swear to God.
THE ROCK: I cannot kill.
WAHLBERG: Duly noted.
Look, when this is over, we`ll--
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HAMMER: All right, Judge Alex, when you were on the bench for this trial, did you think, wow, this is so bizarre and crazy, it could be a movie?
FERRER: Absolutely. I thought it the minute I saw the case.
HAMMER: Well, I appreciate your perspective. It`s very unique in this situation. Judge Alex, I appreciate you being here as always.
FERRER: Always a pleasure, A.J.
HAMMER: All right. And as we move on tonight, another SHOWBIZ newsmaker is coming at you, somebody who knows all about the madness around infamous crime cases. Just think about what it`s like, getting grilled as a witness in the Jodi Arias case, getting pushed into the spotlight. Imagine having your reputation ripped to shreds. Well, that of course is what happened to this guy, Kato Kaelin in the O.J. Simpson trial. Kato`s here with me to reveal how the witness stand changed his world forever. And he`s going to give me his take on the Arias take.
Plus, the viral ad campaign that`s causing shock waves and smiles.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ship my pants right here? Ship my pants, are you kidding?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You can ship your pants right here.
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HAMMER: All right, get ready for this pun-laced spot from Kmart. It just skyrocketed to the top of "Ad Age`s" viral video chart. I am going to show you why in tonight`s SHOWBIZ moment of awesomeness. This is SBT, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT on HLN.
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HAMMER: All right. Get ready for SHOWBIZ bleacher report and the day`s biggest buzzmakers in the sports world. And tonight, a truly powerful tribute to the victims of the Boston bombings. Plus, a famous Boston hockey player`s touching support for the family of an 8-year-old victim. HLN`s "Morning Express" sports anchor Carlos Diaz is right here with the amazing details on Boston`s incredible resilience.
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CARLOS DIAZ, CNN SPORTS ANCHOR: Well, A.J., the Boston Bruins played the first pro sporting event in the city since the Boston marathon bombings. And hockey fans showed their patriotism in one of the most emotional national anthems you`re ever going to hear.
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DIAZ: It was truly an amazing night. The pre-game video featured the phrase "we are Boston, we are strong, Boston strong." It (inaudible) that said "Boston strong" everywhere during the game. And the during the game, the Bruins honored the first responders that helped the people of the Boston marathon. And of course, after the game was over, both teams showed their support by saluting the fans.
Then there`s this story. The Bruins` Brad Marchand is raising money for the family of 8-year-old Martin Richard, who was killed in the Boston marathon bombing. Marchand learned Martin and his family loved the Bruins. So Marchand is raffling off a suite at Boston`s home playoff game, with the proceeds going to Martin`s family. And the raffle winners will also get to meet Marchand.
A jersey with 8-year-old Martin Richard`s name on it was placed on the statue in front of the Bruins` arena before last night`s game. Very touching.
It`s time to shift gears now, but we must do so. "The Bachelor" wants Masters champion Adam Scott. The producer of the reality love show tweeted out "so Adam Scott as the next Bachelor. What say you, Bachelor Nation?" Well, here`s what Adam Scott has to say. No. Since he won the Masters, Adam Scott has said he`s, quote, "not single at all." He is also, quote, "very much in a relationship back with his on again, off again girlfriend." A.J., that`s your bleacher report. Talk to you soon.
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HAMMER: All right, Carlos, thank you very much.
And now you`ve got to get ready for a SHOWBIZ newsmaker interview with our old friend, Kevin Smith. The man behind the movie classic "Chasing Amy."
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You`ve never been curious about men?
BEN AFFLECK, ACTOR: Curious about men? Well, I always wondered why my father watched "Hee-haw."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You know what I mean.
AFFLECK: No.
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HAMMER: That`s Ben Affleck, more than 15 years ago, before all this huge Oscar fame. So is it true that Ben is signing on to star in the "Chasing Amy" sequel? Well, Kevin is right here, and he`s going to tell me the real deal on Ben.
Plus, did you see this? One more really good reason not to park in front of a fire hydrant.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I heard this loud glass crash, and I turned around, and I saw my engineer throwing a hose through the center of the car.
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HAMMER: It`s the car that got hosed. And this pic is blazing through the Internet. I`ll reveal just how it happened. This is SBT, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT on HLN.
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HAMMER: Right now, get ready for two high-wattage SHOWBIZ newsmaker interviews. First up, what`s it like getting grilled in a headline making case like the Jodi Arias trial? Days on the stand, overnight fame. Well, Kato Kaelin is right here tonight to reveal how being the star witness in the O.J. Simpson trial changed his life forever.
Plus, I`m one on one with the cult director, Kevin Smith. Kevin is weighing in on the big scare that just went down on a set of a Stephen King movie.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: 10-4, I can hear them yelling and screaming in the woods. Definitely semiautomatic, possibly high-powered rifles. Also, it`s gonna be close by. It`s loud.
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HAMMER: Sheriff`s deputies worried that a real life attack was underway near an elementary school when it was really just movie magic. So, how would Kevin Smith handle a violent movie scene like that? Well, he`s right here to tell me. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT continues right now.
Welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. And thank you for watching. I`m A.J. Hammer. And tonight, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT is going to reveal in a dramatic way just what it`s like to be a high profile witness who gets grilled for days on end in a trial much like the Jodi Arias murder case. With me tonight there is someone who really knows. Kato Kaelin who, of course, was infamously grilled during the O.J. Simpson murder trial. Something that changed his life forever. Kato`s with us tonight from Hollywood. And I really appreciate you being here, Kato.
KATO KAELIN, FORMER WITNESS, O.J. SIMPSON TRIAL: Hi, A.J. Thanks for having me, of course. I`m a big fan of you. And you look great.
HAMMER: And you haven`t changed one bit. But we can talk about all that in a minute, I`m thinking if there`s anybody who may just know what you went through, it is this woman. Domestic abuse expert Alice LaViolette who just got off the stand after 11 grueling days of Jodi Arias murder trial.
Called by the defense to try to prove that Jodi was abused by the boyfriend she`s accused of killing. Now it`s flashback to 1994. This is when Kato testified for a grueling five days in the O.J. Simpson trial. Kato was in the guest house on O.J.`s property the night Nicole Brown-Simpson and Ron Goldman were murdered. And after being called by the prosecution to testify, you remember this? He was declared a hostile witness.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Can you tell us whether you began looking for another place to live?
KATO KAELIN: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And why was that?
KAELIN: I was periodically looking for places to live.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you have a conversation with the defendant about his situation with Nicole Brown?
KAELIN: Yes.
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HAMMER: OK. So you cut your hair a bit, Kato. But, look. Remembering that moment, I know ...
KAELIN: Yeah.
HAMMER: You must be able to closely relate to what this domestic abuse expert`s life has been like since she was called as a witness in the Jodi Arias trial. You were grilled for five days and this domestic abuse expert was on the stand for 11 days. Tell me how grueling it is to sit on the stand like that day after day when the whole world is watching.
KAELIN: Well, it`s A.J., the difference is, of course, the word expert for her. I think she`d be a lot more used to being grilled. I was just the layman, first time in my life being in a courtroom. I think people should realize that you go over questions sometimes, the attorneys. And I went over the questions with the prosecution. And then at some point they changed it and it made me look like, oh man, I was just thinking, going I don`t remember this part of the -- like sort of a rehearsal. But as an expert witness, I imagine that being grilled, the prosecution is just going to try to tear her to shreds, which I think they did.
HAMMER: Yeah, and that`s exactly what you had to deal with at a point when you were getting grilled by the prosecution team. Let`s revisit a bit of that.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did he mention to you any plans that he had for later on that day?
KAELIN: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And what was that?
KAELIN: There is a recital. The dance recital of Sydney. The daughter with Nicole.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And what time did he plan to go to that?
KAELIN: 5:00 recital.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did he talk to you or mention anything to you about Nicole during that conversation?
KAELIN: It was they weren`t together.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How did that come up?
KAELIN: It was conversation. I mean, I was reading a paper and it would come up about just Nicole and the relationship was over.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you recall how that happened to come up? How come you were talking about him and Nicole being through?
KAELIN: I think it just came up.
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HAMMER: You can feel the tension in that room that`s prosecutor Marcia Clark, of course, questioning you about your conversation with O.J about Nicole Brown Simpson before she was murdered. Did she make you extremely nervous, Kato?
KAELIN: Well, you have to understand, also I was her witness. I wasn`t a witness for the defense. I was Marcia`s witness at this trial.
HAMMER: Right.
KAELIN: For the prosecution. So the difficult part was yes, she -- I think she did her job, but I think she -- I felt like I was sort of abused. I think people got to realize, everybody`s got an agenda. I was basically a pawn, A.J. And I was being used in her advantage. Which I wanted to help. Completely. You have a job there as a witness. I have a job as to answer everything honestly ...
HAMMER: Right.
KAELIN: ... to the best of my knowledge. And that`s what I did. And, of course. to make the $5 for the day.
HAMMER: Yes. Well, exactly. And unless you`ve been there, it`s hard to imagine how nerve-racking that must be.
KAELIN: Exactly.
HAMMER: Even for this domestic abuse expert who is paid to be there. And she`s done it before. It`s got to be hard for her to be keeping her cool in the Jodi Arias trial. So how hard is that to do and remain calm like that? How did you get through?
KAELIN: Well, I think what happens is they try to actually push her buttons. They have people taking notes of what certain key words to say to get this woman to react in a certain way that`s going to help their case. And I think they pushed the right buttons with her. Because at some point, I felt like she did not look like an expert anymore.
HAMMER: This is true. A lot of people are saying that. And saying it`s not really being beneficial as much as they`re hoping it is. But -- go ahead, Kato.
KAELIN: I was going to say also, I think their job is to make the jury possibly not like her. And my opinion was watching is they did a great job. Because you want the jury to really like your team, the prosecution. You want them to really like you. I think they did a great job of possibly making the jury not really like this woman or to believe her which is more important.
HAMMER: Let me ask you a basic logistical question, because I`ve always wondered -- this I wondered about your time on the stand for five days. I wondered about the defense witness on the stand, the expert witness up there for 11 days. What happens when you need to go to a break? I mean all of a sudden you`ve got to go to the bathroom, do you have to ask? What happens?
KAELIN: Actually what happens is, I was there for a month. I`m on call. I`m not -- I`m there on the stand five days, but I`m actually at the courthouse in this very, very, very, very small room, basically it`s a closet. I was like you`ve got to be kidding me. It was -- I sat in a closet. And yeah, you can actually go to the bathroom. But when you`re on the stand, no. And let me tell you something. When you`re on the stand regardless you are so nervous -- I was -- and you have to go to the bathroom. It`s an incredible feeling. See the difference A.J. is, a lot of people can be a witness in maybe a car crash or a fender bender. The first time you`re a witness in a double homicide or in a murder trial, it`s completely different. And the difference being the (inaudible) you see on the stand, they are used to it, they are professionals.
HAMMER: Right.
KAELIN: They know how to do this. Expert witnesses know how to do this. A person like myself, they don`t know what to expect. It`s completely -- it is nerve-racking.
HAMMER: Yes.
KAELIN: And what goes on in the media, you`re a public figure. Everything in your life becomes public knowledge. And anything that you want to put out there, you can be exploited. And that`s the part of being a witness. Your life does change forever, good or bad. People have opinions, they want you to answer the questions. They believe you. They want to believe what they think. You know, this -- I was like a soap character, Kato, I wasn`t a real person to them. So, if I didn`t answer the question -- what -- the answer they wanted, you know, they hated me. Or they loved me. You know, makes a big difference.
HAMMER: Yeah.
KAELIN: And, of course I became famous with my name.
HAMMER: Right.
KAELIN: Because it was Kato.
HAMMER: Well, you`re there because it`s a criminal case, but you do become this character. And I remember very distinctly, Kato, I remember watching this go on. I remember you and I actually met in Hollywood a very long time ago, briefly at a gym. We were introduced by a mutual friend. And it was -- as many people as I get to meet in my life, it was just interesting because you are this iconic character. And that`s what`s happening in the Jodi Arias trial. And we`re seeing another character that has played out. So much animosity between the domestic abuse expert in the case and the lead prosecutor Juan Martinez who is now this character. Let`s watch a bit of their exchange.
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JUAN MARTINEZ: Are you saying that Mr. Alexander when he was speaking with the defendant was in the same relationship as you were with the defendant when you were speaking to her?
ALYCE LAVIOLETTE: If you were in my group I would ask you to take a time- out, Mr. Martinez.
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KAELIN: A.J., it`s great. You said -- I got to tell you a really quick story, because you talked about being famous. This just happened yesterday. Of course, you know, Hollywood. I`m at the Kodak Theater. And I have this wonderful, wonderful Asian people that came up to me and just they said, can we please have a picture with you? We think you`re adorable. And so I said yeah, of course. And while I`m taking the picture, one of the women said we think it`s so great that you give away homes to people.
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KAELIN: And I said no.
HAMMER: I know that you were doing that.
KAELIN: That`s Ty Pennington.
HAMMER: Oh, no.
KAELIN: I`m Kato Kaelin. I don`t build homes. I live in people`s homes.
HAMMER: There you go.
KAELIN: True story, A.J.
HAMMER: We`ll leave it there, Kato.
KAELIN: True story.
HAMMER: I`ll write that one down. It was really great getting your very special insight on this. Thanks for being here.
KAELIN: Thanks, I love you. Thanks so much, A.J.
HAMMER: And I`ve got yet another blockbuster SHOWBIZ news maker interview for you tonight. Going one on one with our friend film director Kevin Smith. He`s going to give us his special insight into the alarming movie madness that just went down on the set of a new Steven King show.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: 10-4. I can hear them yelling and screaming in the woods. Definitely semiautomatics. Possibly high-powered rifles. Also it`s going to be close by. It is loud.
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HAMMER: Imagine that. Cops just terrified that a real life attack was underway right next to an elementary school. What would Kevin Smith have done if he were filming a violent movie scene like that? How would he have made sure that kind of chaos never happened? Kevin right here to tell me.
Plus wait until you see what we have named as our moment of SHOWBIZ Awesomeness. This is SBT, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT on HLN.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: 10-4. I can hear them yelling and screaming in the woods. Definitely semiautomatics. Possibly high-powered rifles. Also, it`s going to be close by. It is loud.
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HAMMER: That`s pretty scary stuff. A desperate call from a North Carolina`s sheriff`s deputy reporting shots fired near an elementary school. Well, thankfully it turns out this was a shooting of a different kind.
Welcome back. That North Carolina sheriff`s deputy was taking those shots very seriously as anyone would, but as it turns out those shots were actually from a TV show that was filming nearby. What the officer heard was a fake gun fight being filmed for an upcoming CBS show, "Steven King`s Under the Dome." The show did have permits to shoot, but apparently no one told the cops or the school officials who quickly locked down students until they learned what was going on.
With me to talk about that and other big news including his own new project is a special guest. An old friend of SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, director Kevin Smith is here. His latest movie is "Jay and Silent Bob: Super Groovy Cartoon Movie." It is always cool having you here, Kevin.
KEVIN SMITH, DIRECTOR: Excellent being here, sir, on the Jodi Arias network.
HAMMER: Yes, we are happy to be -- having you on this network. And let`s talk about what happened with this fake gun fight. Apparently, they were filming this gun fight near a school ...
SMITH: Yes.
HAMMER: And somehow, nobody bothered to tell the cops. How much trouble, Kevin, do you think you would get in if one of your shoots led to a school lockdown? This is actually really serious.
SMITH: It`s very serious, but at the same time, they just got a heap ton of free press. Everybody is suddenly like, I`ve got to check out this "Under the Dome," they put children in jeopardy. Not knowing the full story, of course.
When you`re supposed to -- when you`re discharging weapons, yeah, you`re supposed to let the police know, of course, so that people -- and instances like this don`t happen where an alert goes out or something like that. But at the same time, like -- look at all the coverage. A lot of press for it.
HAMMER: Yes. As we move on, we are seeing reports now that you`re working on a sequel to your 1997 movie classic "Chasing Amy" with Ben Affleck. Would you do me a favor? Set the record straight for me right now on that. Is it true? And is Ben up for being in this movie?
SMITH: I don`t know where this information came from. Maybe it was a publicist who fed it to you going like this is the only way you get him on the show if you mention Ben Affleck.
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SMITH: No, it`s not "Chasing Amy." "Chasing Amy", there`s no point in sequelizing it. It`s kind of one and done movie. I`m in the midst of writing "Clerks 3." So, they were in the same ball park. There was a C movie that I directed once that I`m doing again, and it`s "Clerks 3", but not "Chasing Amy."
HAMMER: And I can assure you, Kevin, we would have you on even if weren`t talking about that.
SMITH: You guys are sweet. I know, I like coming on here. You guys are always nice.
HAMMER: Well, we like having you on because you`re also a big comic book fan. And I`m sure you saw the awesome new trailer for "Man of Steel."
SMITH: What you can`t see right now is this desk that I`m sitting at, rising ..
HAMMER: Yes.
SMITH: ... the moment you mentioned that trailer. Because I`m getting turgid. This trailer, one of the best things to come out of Warner Brothers in years, man. And they do a lot of quality stuff over there, not the least of which, Ben Affleck`s "Argo." There we got another Ben Affleck reference in.
This trailer looks phenomenal. This movie has been kind of -- oddly enough, even though it`s Superman, flying under the radar, they`re doing it kind of quietly, they put out a teaser first a year ago. And then there was the first trailer. But this trailer sold a bunch of tickets. Made a lot of men emotional. I don`t know how it affects ladies. My wife`s not into superhero movies, because she`s like another stupid dude fighting.
But I`m watching this trailer, and when Kevin Costner`s just like, you know, the little boy`s like, but I`m not your son. Spoilers -- the Superman is not really Jonathan Kent`s son. When Jonathan Kent says, as Kevin Costner is down -- Kent says, of course you`re my son, and gives him a hug. We roll tears, man. It`s emotional stuff. The way they open it, it`s profound. And it`s like big action shot. You`re seeing the destruction, what looks like the destruction of Krypton. And I don`t -- haven`t seen it, so I don`t know. And then it`s just simple piano cues. Not like a massive score. This looks epic. I think they finally nailed Superman in a way -- that sounds dirty. They got Superman right ...
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SMITH: ... in a way that they haven`t gotten him right in a long time. I`m excited.
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HAMMER: Not only does it make men emotional, it`s making you almost lose your mind right in front of us. I do want to make sure, I show something here from your new project, "Jay and Silent Bob`s Super Groovy Cartoon Movie," which features superhero characters we first heard about in "Chasing Amy," Bluntman and Chronic. Roll it, Charles.
SMITH: OK.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let`s become superheroes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`ll make a secret base. We`re going to need -- (inaudible), especially designed mother [EXPLETIVE DELETED) car to with (inaudible) buttons, gadgets, and it was (inaudible) using it in our two- man war on crime. Especially the blunt saber.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Turn it off! Turn it off!
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HAMMER: All right, Kevin, I can`t wait but I may have to a little bit. Because you`re releasing the movie in kind of an unusual way. Taking it on a national tour followed by a live Q&A, which is cool. Why did you decide to go that route?
SMITH: We did it with "Red State" a few years ago. And I had such a blast doing it, and when you do something like that, you figure out how to do it even better the next time. So, with this -- we were like how could we improve things? How could we make more money, because it is a business at the end of the day, and we decided well, the best way to do it is just make the budget lower. So we made this movie for 69,000 bucks.
HAMMER: Wow!
SMITH: Jason Mews came up with the budget. He plays Jay to my Silent Bob. He was in charge this time.
HAMMER: If anybody knows how to do it, it`s you. Always great to see you, Kevin. Thank you very much.
SMITH: Good to see you -- come on. You`ve got to come to the screening, dude. Stoner and boner jokes. It`s amazing.
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HAMMER: Can`t beat that. "Jay & Silent Bob Super Groovy Cartoon Movie"`s nationwide tour will get under way Saturday in Atlanta.
SMITH: Thanks.
HAMMER: And we are switching gears now to the brand new viral pic that`s given you one more reason, basically, to not park in front of a fire hydrant. Did you see this?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I heard this loud glass crash and I turned around and I saw my engineer throwing a hose through the center of a car.
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HAMMER: Yeah, get a hose out for the picture that is setting the Internet ablaze. I`m going to show you exactly why that car got hosed next. And wait until you see what we named as our moment of SHOWBIZ Awesomeness tonight.
This is SBT, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT on HLN. And be sure to check out my friend Robin Meade tomorrow morning on "Morning Express." going one on one with country stars Jason Aldean and Luke Bryan. 6:00 A.M. Eastern right here on HLN.
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HAMMER: Did you see this? This pic has gone viral big time. And it shows another reason why you really shouldn`t park in front of a fire hydrant. Do it and you could end up with a whole lot more than just a parking ticket. You could get hosed, just like this. Here is CNN`s Jeanne Moos for SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, showing us why when it comes to cars and fire hoses, you don`t want to add water and mix.
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JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: At first glance, you could almost mistake it for a snake.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s like a giant squid is trying to eat a guy in a car.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Looks like they`re trying to make it into a water bed?
MOOS: Oh, there was water involved. Take it from the firemen in charge that day in Merced, California.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I heard this loud glass crash. And I turned around and I saw my engineer throwing a hose through the center of a car.
MOOS: Ever since that day a little over two years ago, photos with captions like "five reasons why you should never park in front of a fire hydrant" have periodically surfaced on the web. In this case, the car was blocking a hydrant in front of a fire at a marijuana grow house with 3,000 pot plants inside. Yet it`s the car that blocked the hydrant that everyone remembers.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He just took his hydrant wrench and took out the drivers side, walked over, took out the passenger side.
MOOS: Exactly like they did in the movie "Backdraft."
Firemen say it`s rare that they have to do this, but it`s crucial to keep the hose straight. A serious kink could cut the water supply in half. Or as one New York City fireman put it --
KEVIN KUSTKA, NYC FIREFIGHTER: This idiot, whoever it is, parked on a hydrant, and left it, now just jeopardized somebody`s life.
MOOS: Well, there doesn`t seem to be a nickname for this practice, so we`ll just call it hosing, as in, hey, chief, this car needs to be hosed.
Doesn`t matter if it`s a BMW, firemen have been hosing cars when necessary since the days of black and white. No one expressed sympathy for the shattered windows.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Not only does he deserve a ticket, he deserved exactly what he got today.
MOOS: You know, for a minute, I looked at it and I thought, oh, that`s nice, they put that towel there to protect the car. And then I thought, no, they didn`t.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, no. It`s to protect the hose. At that point, you know, the car is the least of our worries.
MOOS: So think twice about parking at a hydrant. So when they say --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Here comes the water.
MOOS: -- it may be coming not in buckets but across bucket seats.
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HAMMER: CNN`s Jeanne Moos for SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, and I got to believe that guy learned his lesson.
And this next viral video may have you wanting to hose down.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ship my pants. Right here? Ship my pants, you`re kidding.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You can ship your pants right here.
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HAMMER: I`ve got this very puny new viral campaign. It`s got so many hits, I can`t even count them. It`s the ad that is causing shock waves and smiles. And it is our moment of SHOWBIZ awesomeness. This is SBT, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT on HLN.
Time now for "SHOWBIZ Say What?" Take a look at Harrison Ford. He is throwing out the first pitch at the Padres/Dodgers game. What do you think Harrison is really thinking? A couple of your thoughts came in. I like this one, this person writing "I hope the force is with me." Referring of course to Harrison`s breakout role as Han Solo in "Star Wars." I like this one too. Another one says, "I`m too old for this." Keep those great thoughts coming. Send us your SHOWBIZ "Say What" thought bubbles, suggestions at hlntv.com/showbiztonight.
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HAMMER: Time for SHOWBIZ awesomeness, where we name the most awesome moment of the day. And tonight, get ready to ship your pants. Hey, now. I said ship your pants, with a p. I don`t know what you were thinking. Kmart just launched this online ad campaign by that very name, and it is so popular, this thing has actually skyrocketed to the very top of "Ad Age`s" viral video chart this week. I`m telling you, people love this ad so much, we can`t keep track of how many millions of hits it`s getting. So please, watch and enjoy.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ship my pants? Right here? Ship my pants, you`re kidding.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You can ship your pants right here.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You hear that? I can ship my pants for free.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Wow. I just may ship my pants.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yeah, ship your pants. Billy, you can ship your pants too.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I can`t wait to ship my pants, dad.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I just shipped my pants and it`s very convenient.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Very convenient.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I just shipped my drawers.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I just shipped my nighty.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I just shipped my bed.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If you can`t find what you`re looking for in store, we`ll find it on kmart.com right now and ship it to you for free.
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HAMMER: It`s so wrong, but it`s so right.
Coming up next on "Dr. Drew on Call," as the Jodi Arias trial continues, Dr. Drew`s behavior bureau is discussing this. How can you get a psychopath to tell the truth? That starts right now.
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