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Jodi Arias: Master Manipulator?; Shifting Stories in Caryn Kelley Manslaughter Case; Bad Day for George Zimmerman`s Defense Lawyers; Showbiz Behaving Badly
Aired May 28, 2013 - 23:00 ET
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A.J. HAMMER, HOST: Tonight on the SHOWBIZ Countdown, the top three "SHOWBIZ Justice Shockers," including the woman being called the new Jodi Arias. Her boyfriend shot to death in their bedroom. So did she kill him in cold blood, or was it all a horrible act?
Plus, I`ve got another must-see SHOWBIZ Countdown. It`s "SHOWBIZ Behaving Badly." Justin Bieber accused of reckless driving again. Now Justin, I know you`ve got a Ferrari, but maybe it`s time you slowed down.
HLN`s Dr. Drew is right here with his amazing insight on the bad behavior stories that have us just scratching our heads tonight.
SHOWBIZ TONIGHT starts right now.
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Hello, I`m A.J. Hammer.
Wow, it has been a big night here on HLN, as jurors in the Jodi Arias trial have been speaking out, have been telling their stories about why they couldn`t agree on whether or not to sentence Jodi Arias to death. And our coverage of the Arias outrage continues right now with the SHOWBIZ COUNTDOWN of today`s top three "Justice Shockers."
I am so pleased to welcome tonight Vinnie Politan, co-host, of course, of "HLN AFTER DARK," seen weeknights, 10 p.m. Eastern. He is in Atlanta. And Jane Velez-Mitchell in New York tonight. And Jane hosts the "JANE VELEZ- MITCHELL SHOW," 7 p.m. Eastern here on HLN.
All right, Jane, Vinnie, let`s get right to it. No. 3 on our SHOWBIZ Countdown, is it possible that the next jury seated, which will, of course, decide if Jodi is sentenced to death for killing Travis Alexander might be influenced by Jodi`s apparent attempts to be a master manipulator.
I mean, get a load of this, how Jodi looked on May 8 in a TV interview right after she was convicted of first-degree murder. And then how she looked just last week in another TV interview, the day before the jury deadlocked on the death penalty. Glasses gone, hair`s done up all differently.
And watch what she says when questioned about why she didn`t use the words "I`m sorry" while pleading for her life.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP).
TROY HADEN, KSAZ REPORTER: I never heard you say "I`m sorry."
JODI ARIAS, CONVICTED OF MURDER: I don`t think I used that -- those two words, but I feel that I conveyed my remorse, and if I didn`t adequately convey it, then I regret that.
(END VIDEO CLIP).
HAMMER: She regrets that. You know, sometimes Jodi has a way with words. Sometimes she doesn`t.
Vinnie Politan, to you first. Do you believe that maybe Jodi believes that she`ll be able to sway the jury who will decide if she`s put to death with the way that she acts and the way that she talks?
VINNIE POLITAN, HLN ANCHOR: "No jury will ever sentence me to death," A.J. I can hear the quote already in my mind. She`s convinced of that.
The bottom line, though, is what we`re hearing from those jurors, that Jodi Arias did herself no favors by staying up on the stand for 18 days, kind of like, you know, fish or a houseguest. They stay for a certain amount of time, they start to stink up the place.
HAMMER: And Jane, that`s not going to change just because she`s shaking up her look or the way she`s speaking now, is it?
JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HLN ANCHOR: Listen, in -- in this retrial phase, if it goes back to that and she manages to crawl her way to the witness stand, who knows what she`s going to do and how long she`s going to stay on. She`s going to take that ball and run with it.
And she likes attention. I don`t even think she cares whether it`s going to help or hurt her. All she wants is more attention. That`s why she does these media interviews.
She was very, very intent on showing the world, "Yes, I`m really good looking, even though I made myself ugly for the trial. Here I am being a cover girl again. You can see I`m good-looking."
HAMMER: And it goes back to that narcissism again. I mean, it`s so fascinating to me how she`s getting dolled up for these TV interviews after she was convicted. I find that amazing.
And in one interview, she did this one with ABC-15.com. She gets grilled about whether or not she`s sorry and she got caught -- or she`s sorry that she got caught.
And in her interview with KSAZ -- that was with reporter Troy Haden -- Jodi gets grilled about not saying the words "I`m sorry" to Travis Alexander`s family. Let`s watch.
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HADEN: I never heard you say "I`m sorry."
ARIAS: I don`t think I used that -- those two words, but I feel that I conveyed my remorse. And if I didn`t adequately convey it, then I regret that.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are you sorry you got caught? You said you couldn`t answer that at the time.
ARIAS: Well, I couldn`t answer that I don`t know if I would turn myself in. I`d like to think that I would, because that would be the right thing to do.
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HAMMER: So many people who watched those interviews said that they saw right through Jodi, and that seems to be happening all along, Vinnie.
But isn`t she just a chameleon who basically can change into whatever she thinks that people want to see and hear? And is that even going to fly with another jury at this point?
POLITAN: See, I don`t think it works with the next jury, because I think everyone, you know, over the course of five months, now understands Jodi Arias.
She`s -- she`s a chameleon, but she didn`t do a great job of all of it, and that`s part of her problem. You know, she`s -- she`s convincing to a certain extent, and then she loses credibility. Like just in those answers, she can`t answer a question, and the jury figures that out.
HAMMER: Yes. And I found, you know, this transformation so stunning as we`ve been watching these images side by side. But it`s really not just that visual change, Jane. She`s so cavalier in these interviews. There`s not been any hand wringing, no sweating, from what we can see, anyway. She`s just cool as a cucumber, isn`t she?
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, listen, I spoke to Amy Murphy, the woman who did that interview with Jodi Arias, and she said she came away absolutely convinced that Jodi Arias is seriously mentally ill.
And I really don`t understand why the defense has not tried to play that up. They downplayed it, in fact. They argued with the prosecution, who said Jodi Arias has borderline personality disorder. Why? Why? That`s the only thing that can, in some way, shape or form, explain her insane behavior, her evil behavior. She`s not there.
And that`s what everybody who spends time up close and personal with her come away saying. She`s nuts!
HAMMER: And we`ll still have plenty of time to examine her future behavior as all of this continues.
But there is another trial that`s going on. This one`s in Florida, and it really has some pretty haunting similarities to the Jodi Arias case. A woman accused of killing her boyfriend.
This is No. 2 on our SHOWBIZ Countdown of today`s "Justice Shockers." Forty-eight-year-old Caryn Kelley accused of killing and shooting her boyfriend, Phillip Peatross. This happened nearly two years ago. And after she shot him, she made a frantic call to 911. Listen.
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CARYN KELLEY, ACCUSED OF MURDERING BOYFRIEND (via phone): Oh, my God! My gun went off in the house. My boyfriend just died. He needs an ambulance 911.
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HAMMER: Well, we all recall how Jodi Arias kept changing her story, and Caryn Kelley has given -- are you ready for this -- five different reasons for the shooting, including claiming that she killed him in self-defense; that it was an accidental shooting; she thought he was an intruder; he shot himself; and she was only trying to protect her home.
Vinnie, like Jodi like Caryn? Is that how you`re seeing this?
POLITAN: Yes, that`s a big problem. I mean, there should be one story and one story only, the truth. And that`s what the jury wants to hear. So any time you`ve got someone -- two people in a house, one person comes out alive; the other one doesn`t; and the person who comes out alive tells more than one story, huge problem for the defendant.
HAMMER: Remember how Travis Alexander`s friends, by the way, suggested that it might have been Jodi who was responsible when they called 911 after finding him dead? In this case, Caryn Kelley actually seems to implicate herself when she called 911. Listen.
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KELLEY (via phone): Just get someone here quick! He was shot in the head with a gun.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (via phone): Listen to me. Did he shoot himself, yes or no?
KELLEY: Oh, no, it was...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Who shot him?
KELLEY: And then it was an accident. It was an accident.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you have the gun?
KELLEY: I did, but it was an accident.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. I understand it`s an accident. Where is the gun now?
KELLEY: On the floor in my bedroom.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. Where are you?
KELLEY: In my bedroom with him. Come on, baby, come on, baby, stay with me. Come on, honey, come on! Oh, my God! He put a gun to his head and he goes, "Just let me do it." He was joking. But bam! It went off.
(END VIDEO CLIP).
HAMMER: I mean, the drama that is just packed into that phone call. Jane, you heard that. There she is. Now she`s charged with manslaughter. When you hear that against the backdrop of the multiple reasons she`s given for him being killed, any chance she`s getting off, in your mind?
VELEZ-MITCHELL: I see a big factor that was not a factor in the Jodi Arias case: alcohol. You can hardly understand what she`s saying -- (UNINTELLIGIBLE) the 911 call -- because she sounds very, very drunk.
And that`s why somebody would change their story three times during one conversation, because she is quite possibly in a blackout. So that could be a factor in the deliberations.
You know, after Casey Anthony, I`ll never say there`s no chance of somebody getting off.
HAMMER: Right. Yes, no. And Vinnie, I`m sure he agrees with you immediately on that. But with what we know, Vinnie, can you even imagine her getting off on this?
POLITAN: It`s difficult. It`s really, really difficult when you have more than one story. You`ve got these -- the 911 call, plus she`s got the videotape, the cell phone tape on her front lawn, as well. None of that paints a great picture for her.
But ultimately, it`s up to the men and women of the jury. You know, do they buy into the defense theory? Do they have a reasonable doubt that something else could have happened?
HAMMER: Right.
POLITAN: It`s a tough case. But it`s not a murder case. That`s what we have to remember.
So many twists and turns in both of those headline-making cases. But we still haven`t revealed the top "SHOWBIZ Justice Shocker" today. What could it be? You`ve got to stick around, because you do not want to miss the No. 1 "SHOWBIZ Justice Shocker."
And you`ve got to get ready for yet another SHOWBIZ Countdown. You`ve got to see this. It`s "SHOWBIZ Behaving Badly."
Former teen star Amanda Bynes is ranting about police abuse after cops busted her for allegedly bouncing (ph) a bong out of a 36th floor apartment in New York City. Amanda, I don`t think that`s the kind of home baking you`re supposed to be doing.
And while Amanda appears to be burning up something, Justin Bieber is apparently burning rubber in his Ferrari, right through his quiet L.A. neighborhood. I can tell you his neighbors are burning mad.
So whose bad behavior is going to top our list?
This is SBT, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, on HLN.
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HAMMER: Welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. And tonight on the SHOWBIZ Countdown, we are counting down today`s top three "SHOWBIZ Justice Shockers." Here`s where we are so far.
No. 3, Jodi Arias, the master manipulator? So will the new jury that`s going to decide if she gets the death sentence for killing her boyfriend be swayed by her ever-looks and words?
No. 2, the trial in Florida today of another woman accused of shooting and killing her boyfriend, Caryn Kelley. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT brings you the dramatic 911 call that she made the night of the shooting. She says she didn`t fire that gun.
And that takes us to the big reveal on our SHOWBIZ Countdown, the No. 1 "Justice Shocker." Startling developments today in the case of George Zimmerman, who is accused of killing Trayvon Martin.
Now, the trial, of course, is carried right here live on HLN, and it was a devastating day for his defense team.
Back with me now from Atlanta, Vinnie Politan, co-host of "HLN AFTER DARK." Here in New York, it`s Jane Velez-Mitchell, host of "THE JANE VELEZ- MITCHELL SHOW" right here on HLN.
And wow, guys, what a day. I mean, Zimmerman`s lawyers just couldn`t catch a break at all. Look at this rundown.
Zimmerman asked that the trial be delayed from its June 10 start date, and the judge said no.
Zimmerman asked to be able to hear about Trayvon Martin`s troubles, including using marijuana. The judge said no.
Zimmerman asked the jury to be allowed to visit the scene of the shooting, and the judge said no.
Jane, not off to a good start at all, is it?
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, let me tell you this. I think this judge is wise in trying to put some very clear boundaries around this case. It`s highly emotional. It`s highly politically charged, and it could become a runaway freight train.
And I think what this judge is trying to do is say, "Let`s talk about the altercation itself. Let`s talk about those 6 or 7 minutes between the call to cops and when the shot rings out. Let`s not make this some kind of referendum on who knows what."
HAMMER: Vinnie, a triple whammy here. If you`re George Zimmerman`s attorney, regardless of the intent of the judge, you`re not feeling too good about how things went today, anyway.
POLITAN: No, you`re not feeling great, but I can`t believe it`s not expected.
Because all this stuff about bringing in Trayvon Martin`s past, I can`t believe that they would expect to get that in, because in a normal case, you would not get that in, that type of information. That`s No. 1.
The delay, this judge has had a track record of denying these delays, so that had to be expected to a certain extent.
The one part that surprised me was not revisiting the neighborhood, because I think that could be very enlightening to jurors, to actually walk the grounds there a little bit, to have some perspective. In some states it`s automatic. They do it in almost every case. Florida, it`s very rare, so again there they shouldn`t be shocked, but I think that was probably the one that I was most surprised by.
HAMMER: Yes. What about you, Jane, because I`m looking at this list of everything that the judge struck down, and from what I know -- and I`ve learned much of what I know from you guys right here on HLN -- not being able to visit the scene of the shooting, do you see that as the worst for Zimmerman today?
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I think it`s a bad move, because I think it always helps to put whatever happened in context, in context of the place.
I`ll give you an example. The Casey Anthony trial. When I got to Hope Spring Drive, and I saw the Anthonys` home, and then I drove right around the corner in less than a minute and found the spot where little Caylee`s body was dumped, it all became very clear to me what happened, like that. It informed me about the case in a way that no amount of paperwork could.
So I think that they should allow them to go to the crime scene.
HAMMER: We`ll see. I don`t think that`s going to change, but we`ll see how it all develops. Vinnie, Jane, thank you very much.
And be sure to follow all the very latest developments in the George Zimmerman trial right here on HLN. Of course, we will have your continuing coverage on the trial. It`s all starting on June 10.
And you`ve got to get ready for another must-see SHOWBIZ Countdown tonight. It`s "SHOWBIZ Behaving Badly." Troubled teen star Amanda Bynes is making some really explosive claims about police abuse after getting arrested for allegedly throwing a bong from her high-rise apartment. So will Amanda`s bouncing bong and wild anti-NYPD rant win her the top slot tonight?
Plus, K-mart goes from shipping pants to big gas savings.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I hate these big gas prices.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sounds like you could use some big gas savings.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Love some big gas savings.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: K-mart shopping way members save 30 cents a gallon.
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HAMMER: It`s K-mart`s brand-new tongue-twisting ad. K-mart`s catch "ship my pants" commercial was good for its shipping program, a big viral hit. Will its new add for "big gas savings" translate into big gas sales, or will it be a big gas backfire?
This is SBT, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, on HLN.
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HAMMER: Time now for "SHOWBIZ Quick Hits." This is where we take the day`s buzziest stories at lightning fast speed. And tonight we are kicking it off with K-mart`s newest campaign, gone viral, promoting "big gas savings."
Yes, K-mart kicked off its play-on-words campaign with its "ship my pants" ad. That`s been watched more than 17 million times online since April, and I guess the poop joke was such a big hit, now they`re taking on the gas.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I hate these big gas prices.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sounds like you could use some big gas savings.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Love some big gas savings.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: K-mart shopping way members save 30 cents a gallon.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thirty cents a gallon? That`s a big gas discount.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A big gas discount.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A really big gas discount.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Really big gas discount.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This solves your big gas problem.
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HAMMER: I mean, how do you even keep a straight face when you`re watching that?
Now, it has just been released. Already it`s been viewed more than 4 million times online. I`ve got to bring in my buddy Hyla, who is "Daily Buzz" on CelebBuzz.com, who joins from Hollywood tonight and is smirking, as well.
So Hyla, how do you see this whole thing turning into? Is it going to be big gas sales or big gas backlash? Here comes the 30 seconds "Quick Hit" clock. Go.
HYLA, "DAILY BUZZ," CELEBBUZZ.COM: Yes. It`s going to be a little bit of both, but I think that`s a good, creative marketing strategy in itself. I mean, they got the views that they need. Now will that turn into sales? That`s the real question.
You know, they`re working with Draft SCB, which is one of the biggest marketing companies in the world, and they seem to have something here with K-mart. We`re talking about it, so it`s working, right?
HAMMER: Yes, but Hyla, you just missed the whole point. You just had 30 seconds to say "big gas savings," and you completely skirted the opportunity. Would you say it? Come on, I dare you. Go ahead.
HYLA: All right. Big gas savings.
HAMMER: There you go. What are we, five?
HYLA: I mean, really.
HAMMER: At least. All right. Let`s get to our second "SHOWBIZ Quick Hit" tonight. It`s all about wrestling great, Hulk Hogan.
Now the Hulk, I don`t know if he`s looking for work, but he did step in, as you`re seeing here, to do the weather report for WTSP-TV in Tampa Bay, Florida. Let`s watch how he did.
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HULK HOGAN, PROFESSIONAL WRESTLER: OK, brother. Eighty-night degrees high on Thursday. Friday, 91; Saturday, 89; Sunday, 88; Monday, 90 degrees; and Tuesday, 89. So what are you going to do when the beautiful weather that Hulk Hogan has moved all the clouds out of the way shines on you? What you going to do? It`s beautiful all week long, brother.
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HAMMER: It`s going to be sunny, brother. You`ve got to love the Hulk doing the weather. Actually, it is a little something different.
And Hulk, Hyla, we do love Hulk Hogan. He has been through some pretty tough times: his nasty divorce, that sex tape that leaked out. What do you think of the forecast for Hulk as a weather man? Sunny, bright? Thirty seconds on the clock.
HYLA: Yes. A hundred percent chance of awesome. Who doesn`t want to see the Hulk do weather? I mean, it kind of makes me think, OK, is weatherman, like a real profession? If Hulk Hogan can go up there and show his 26-inch pythons, and he can like, you know, make it look good? Yes, absolutely. Bring him on.
Doesn`t SHOWBIZ TONIGHT need an official weather person? Hulk, come on. You and A.J., I think is a good team.
HAMMER: Yes. I`d love to be able to say, "Here`s our staff meteorologist, Hulk Hogan."
HYLA: Yes. Absolutely.
HAMMER: All right, Hyla. Great having you here. Hulk Hogan, perfect for the job.
Get ready, because I`m firing up a SHOWBIZ Countdown you won`t be able to turn away from. It`s "SHOWBIZ Behaving Badly," including "American Idiots"? I`m going to tell you all about this real-life couple who actually stabbed each other over the winner of "American Idol." I`m not joking. So is that outrageous couple a shoo-in for the No. 1 spot in our "Behaving Badly" countdown tonight?
Now, that may all be hard to believe, but this tiger tale may be just as hard to imagine.
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JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It wasn`t just that the patient was a 400-pound tiger that made this a hairy operation. We mean really hairy, as in gigantic hairball. And that was just the first clump removed from Ty the tiger`s stomach.
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HAMMER: Yes. It`s the massive 4-pound hairball found in that 400-pound tiger`s stomach. You`ve got to stick around, because that will reveal to you how the heck that hairy mess got so darn big.
This is SBT, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, on HLN.
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HAMMER: Right now the SHOWBIZ Countdown, "SHOWBIZ Behaving Badly."
Amanda Bynes`s frenzy. The former teen star goes on a rant against the NYPD after getting arrested for allegedly tossing a bong from the 36th floor of her apartment building. She claims the cops groped her, threatens to sue and says she wants to be a rapper. Huh?
Justin Bieber driving drama. The Biebs accused of reckless driving again. Look, I know "Fast and Furious" just opened this weekend, but this is real life, Justin.
Dr. Drew is right here to help us count down the absolutely worst behavior we`ve seen today. Who will be No. 1 on our list?
SHOWBIZ TONIGHT continues right now.
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HAMMER: Welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. Thank you so much for watching. I`m A.J. Hammer and tonight on the SHOWBIZ COUNTDOWN, showbiz behaving badly. The biggest stories that are out there of stars and others just misbehaving. We begin our countdown with Amanda Bynes` bizarre arrest and her even more bizarre behavior afterward. The former teen star was busted on Thursday after allegedly tossing a bong out of her 36th floor window as cops entered her apartment. She is out now and she`s getting her revenge on everyone via Twitter.
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AMANDAY BYNES: It seems as if someone is on a downward spiral.
HAMMER: Amanda Bynes` words in "Easy A" couldn`t be more true. The downward spiral of the former child start has entered a strange new territory. With Bynes getting arrested, going to war with the New York Police Department and allegedly starting a twitter feud with none other than Rihanna.
ALEXIS TERESZCUK, RADAR ONLINE: It was a crazy holiday weekend for Amanda Bynes.
HAMMER: It all started here at Amanda`s New York City apartment building where she was arrested Thursday for alleged marijuana possession and for allegedly tossing a bong from her 36th floor apartment. Now Bynes is making an explosive claim about one of the arresting officers.
TERESZCUK: Amanda Bynes says that when the cops came into her apartment, that she was sexually assaulted. She actually said she wrote on Twitter that cops slapped my vagina.
HAMMER: The NYPD fired back at Amanda`s claims. They tell SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, "NYPD internal affairs investigators have found no evidence to corroborate Ms. Bynes` allegations." And adds, "To the contrary, a credible civilian witness who was with the officers throughout told investigators that none touched Ms. Bynes inappropriately or otherwise engaged in misconduct at any time."
TERESZCUK: NYPD took it very seriously.
HAMMER: In court, Bynes denied the charges filed against her, and after her release, she went straight to her Twitter page and attacked, well, just about everyone. About the cops who arrested her, she tweets, "I have never been so offended in my life. They found nothing criminal on me or around me. One cop then sexually assaulted me. So I am suing for all of the above." About the drug accusations against her, she tweets, "there is never a drug or alcohol in my system." That`s interesting, considering ...
TERESZCUK: Amanda Bynes has a pending DUI case against her in California.
HAMMER: And strangest of all, Amanda`s Twitter page lit up with a harsh, inexplicable attack on Rihanna.
TERESZCUK: She writes that the reason Chris Brown beat Rihanna is because she is ugly.
HAMMER: The tweet about Rihanna disappeared and Bynes claimed her Twitter feed had been hacked. All of this is just the latest in the long list of increasingly bizarre behavior, from the young woman who went from adorable Nickelodeon star.
BYNES: OK. I`m Amber. And I ooze popularity.
HAMMER: To a tabloid fixture ...
TERESZCUK: She has done a series of questionable things. She has shaved her head. She has been -- (INAUDIBLE) like when she`s in the gym, people are saying that she is talking with -- to herself, and then she just spends all night long maniacally on Twitter, tweeting to everybody under the sun. So, people are starting to get a little worried about her.
HAMMER: But Bynes is determined to go on the way she has been. She tweets, I don`t need to go to rehab. And about her pitcher plan, she writes, "I`m getting in shape and getting a nose job. I`m looking forward to a long and wonderful career as a singer/rapper!" But a lot of her fans hope Amanda`s future plans include getting help.
TERESZCUK: Everybody just wants her to be happy. And (INAUDIBLE).
HAMMER: It`s just the worst thing to see. So, what exactly is going on with Amanda Bynes? Is she just the latest star in crisis? With us tonight from Hollywood Dr. Drew Pinsky, host of "Dr. Drew on Call." Of course, you can see him every week night, right here on HLN at 9 P.M. Eastern. It`s always a pleasure to have you here, Dr. Drew.
DR. DREW PINSKY: A.J.
HAMMER: All right, so Bynes gets arrested, Dr. Drew, and she tweets up the storm after, really, months of this flat out behavior. What do you think is going on with her?
PINSKY: Well, I mean, obviously, I don`t know and none of us do, we can`t know for sure what this is, but something going on, look at that wig, that`s alongside of me here. Very commonly, when people have -- I wouldn`t say very commonly, it`s been my experience when somebody has a woman, particularly who has bipolar disorder and becomes rather manic, shaving the head can be a manifestation of that.
We saw that with Britney Spears, and indeed, she seems to have that kind of a mood disturbance. We are hearing Britney Spears is alive today because her parents stepped up and got a conservatorship over her. That`s why she survived her psychiatric condition.
I`m hearing -- I`ve overheard a rumor that Amanda`s parents are contemplating the same thing, and I would urge them in the strongest terms to do so. I have told many adult children -- to their parents, parents of adult children with mental illness that this is something they must do. It`s a very difficult thing for them to do. They fear that they`re going to disrupt the relationship with their child, but if they don`t do this, the child could die. So, your little piece we just watched is very much to the point. People want Amanda to do well. They don`t wish her harm ...
HAMMER: Right.
PINSKY: ... but we`re watching somebody really in very serious crisis here.
HAMMER: Yeah, and you know what`s terrific, as you`re talking, and you`re talking about Britney Spears and her parents doing the conservatorship for her, and I`m realizing, you and I, were having these conversations, these very same conversations about Britney Spears now, we can it, years ago. So, that`s all going well ...
PINSKY: Yes.
HAMMER: We hope for the same for Amanda. But this is just an example of how bizarre Amanda`s behavior has gotten. She`s actually getting tweets of concern from Courtney Love, of all people. Courtney tweeted today, Amanda Bynes, pull it together, dude. I mean and I`m not making light of it, Dr. Drew, but when Courtney Love is saying you have a problem, that`s not a good sign.
PINSKY: Well, and Courtney is actually very insightful. She understands when people, you know, are not behaving well, that it means something very serious oftentimes, and it`s not something to be taken lightly. I`ve been getting strange tweets on twitter as though I could somehow be airlifted out there and make a difference in Amanda Bynes life.
I don`t know Amanda Bynes, there is nothing I can really do for her except to say please, honey, get to a psychiatric facility immediately and get a proper assessment. We`re hearing that the court had her undergo a psychiatric assessment, so at least she`s getting some attention, but boy, getting somebody to actually comply with the recommendations can be difficult and they often have to go to very deep lows before they`re required to get treatment.
HAMMER: Yeah, let`s talk about that a bit. And I want to play now a clip of Amanda Bynes in court. This was just after her arrest. And really, it`s the most that we`ve heard from her in quite a while. And I`ve got to say, you watch this clip and I`ll be curious to see if you agree. She doesn`t seem that out of it to me. Let`s roll it.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You live here (INAUDIBLE)? Are you planning on staying in the state?
BYNES: I am.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And if you get arrested again, you commit any of the crimes, if you fail to come to court, even if you come to court late, bail is going to be set, and it`s going to be high bail. That you won`t be able (INAUDIBLE)/ Is that clear?
BYNES: Yes.
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HAMMER: She seemed pretty lucid to me. Obviously, she either is very polite or somebody was instructing her to be very polite, and after her arrest on Thursday, as you mentioned, Dr. Drew, Bynes underwent -- reportedly underwent a psychiatric evaluation, but she was eventually released. Is it possible that maybe Amanda might be more functional than we`re seeing a lot of people giving her credit for? Because a lot of people are saying the opposite.
PINSKY: Who knows. Listen, just look at her appearance in court. That is not -- that`s somebody who is in trouble. I don`t care what you say. Now, A.J., it`s interesting you bring up Britney Spears and the way you and I used to discuss her back in the day. People -- when she jumped out of the car and shaved her head, people go, oh, isn`t that interesting, look at her crazy behavior, she`s trying to attract attention.
And back then I told you the same thing, I said she is manic, she`s in trouble, and she nearly died of her psychiatric condition, thank God her parents stepped in and made a difference in the trajectory of that young lady`s life. The same thing needs to happen here with Amanda. We`re worried that substances are involved. They may or may not be. I think it`s interesting that she keeps tweeting that substances aren`t involved. I hope they are, that at least would give us a very concrete explanation for what`s going on here and a specific course of treatment.
HAMMER: How hard is it going to be for what you know or what we can possibly know for her parents to step in in the way that Britney`s dad stepped in and got control of Britney`s affairs, which put Britney on the right path?
PINSKY: It`s exceedingly difficult. I have made this recommendation to parents probably hundreds of times, and I can count on one hand how many times parents followed through on it, and the ones that didn`t, it has been to the detriment of the child. Again, it`s an adult, they are entitled to do what they want to do, but when they get severely disturbed because of psychiatric condition and start behaving in dangerous ways, parents can step in, even though it`s an adult child, the parents can step in and try to obtain a conservatorship to save that person`s life. And that looks to me -- again, I don`t know Amanda Bynes, but it appears to me the kind of thing that should be going on here.
HAMMER: Well, as we wished well, for Britney Spears, we`ll continue to do that for Amanda Bynes and hope her only the best and that she gets on that right path. But Dr. Drew, stay where you are. We`re continuing today`s countdown. SHOWBIZ Behaving Badly, what could possibly be number one? Maybe Justin Bieber? There is brand new outrage after Justin Bieber is again accused of doing some pretty wild driving and getting into a furious confrontation with a neighbor.
And get a load of this couple. They`re accused of stabbing each other in a fight over "American Idol." Please behave! Which will be number one on the SHOWBIZ COUNTDOWN? And I`ve got another hair-raising story for you. You`ve got to take a look at this.
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JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It wasn`t just that the patient was a 400- pound tiger that made this a hairy operation. We mean really hairy, as in gigantic hairball. And that was just the first clump removed from Ty the Tiger`s stomach.
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HAMMER: OK, so how did that monster hairball get stuck inside that monster tiger? It is the tale of the four pound hairball that Ripley`s "Believe It or Not" actually wants to buy for its museum of oddities. Telling you , you won`t be able to look away from this.
And wait until you see what we named as our moment of "SHOWBIZ Awesomeness." This is SBT, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT on HLN.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The winner of "American Idol" season 12 is Candice Glover!
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HAMMER: Wow! Unforgettable "American Idol" finale, right? But was it really worth drawing knives and stabbing someone over? Well, a couple of "Idol" fans actually took their final debate way too far. I`m talking about taking your TV viewing just a little too seriously.
Tonight, at "SHOWBIZ Behaving Badly", we`re keeping tonight`s SHOWBIZ countdown going to number two with "American Idiots." A Pennsylvania couple who simply couldn`t agree over which idol finalist can (INAUDIBLE). Kree Harrison should walk away with the big win, but they reportedly stabbed each other in a violent fight over it. Police hauled them off to jail, slapped them with assault charges and they both walked away with only minor injuries. But wow, I mean can you believe this?
I want to bring back HLN`s Dr. Drew is with us tonight from Hollywood. Dr. Drew`s fantastic show is "Dr. Drew on Call," of course, Monday through Thursday nights. 9:00 here at HLN.
So, Drew, I have to tell that as scratching our heads. Look at this pair. This is Karen Harrelson and Gregory Stambaugh. I should point out alcohol was involved, and who really knows what else might have been going on, Dr. Drew, but can you tell us why people get so passionate about TV shows? This is crazy to me.
PINSKY: No, A.J., this has -- unfortunately, I`m sorry, but this has nothing to do with "American Idol." When I heard this story, I knew immediately it was an alcohol story. And people there drinking heavily, and these two were drinking heavily, they in fact may not even remember what they were fighting about when this is over with. When you add -- people look at mental illness statistics and wonder if people with mental illness had higher incidence of violence. Particularly in these days in the wake of the Aurora Colorado incident, the Newtown Connecticut incident, the fact is people with mental illness are more likely to be a victim of violence, than a perpetrator of violence, unless you add an alcohol and substances ...
HAMMER: Yeah.
PINSKY: And particularly alcohol, it does -- that`s when you find violence. They could have been arguing over who did the dishes or whether the dogs was -- got fed that night. It would have been anything. It just happened to be "American Idol ..."
HAMMER: OK.
PINSKY: And that`s why it caught everyone`s attention.
HAMMER: All right, well, you know, people have been fighting all season over the new judges and Nicki Minaj and do they like her or not. I wanted to believe that people aren`t stabbing each other over ..
PINSKY: No. No.
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PINSKY: If they drink enough, they will, I`m sure, you can find those stories out there. Particularly (INAUDIBLE) methamphetamine, they will fight over Nicki versus Mariah, for sure.
HAMMER: Oh, my goodness. All right. Well, let`s move now from drawing knives to drawing the line.
This takes us to number one on our SHOWBIZ Behaving Badly countdown. It`s Justin Bieber reportedly tearing through a suburban L.A neighborhood at breakneck speeds in his Ferrari. So fast, in fact, several neighbors reportedly called the cops on him.
Now, Bieber has been making headlines for all of the wrong reasons this year. And we`ve been following. Back in January, he was busted, allegedly smoking weed. March Fifth, the Biebs ticked off fans in London, he showed up two hours late for a concert. Days later on March 8, he nearly attacked a paparazzi in London saying he would beat the bleep out of him.
Now, Dr. Drew, a lot of people have explained all this away as, you know, just a young superstar doing what young superstars do, but I need your professional opinion. Does this latest incident fall under that umbrella, or do you think there`s a whole lot more going on to Bieber`s bad behavior here?
PINSKY: Well, I would say there is actually no such thing as the umbrella you mentioned, because people with celebrity at higher incidence for mental health issues, higher incidence for narcissistic personality issues, higher incidence for substance issues, and so when they do act out, it`s not because they can, it`s because they have an underlying psychiatric or psychological problem that is now being acted out in front of other people. Had he been just another 19-year-old driving fast, of which there are millions, we would not be analyzing this on a SHOWBIZ show.
And again, he is no different than any other 19-year-old. It`s not as though -- if I were to evaluate Justin Bieber, I would have to pull out the Justin Bieber manual, or the celebrity manual. They`re the same as every other 19-year-old, however, they have opportunity and money and circumstances that allow them to act out in the ways that progress to a greater extent, and of course always attract the attention of the public.
HAMMER: Well, OK, in light of all that, I`m now going to ask you the most important question I`ve ever asked you. We see him driving fast and furious, at least, his neighbors are apparently seeing that. I may have the lead on Justin`s next job. Just roll the video here, Charles. I`m not going to bring it up full. But Drew, what do you think? Bieber reportedly speeding through the streets. I mean, can you, like me, see him maybe starring side by side with Vin Diesel in the next "Fast and Furious" film? Come on.
PINSKY: I`m sure he would love it. I`m sure (INAUDIBLE). It might be where they get -- get something out of his system so he isn`t doing it in a tiny little neighborhood.
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PINSKY: But all seriousness, in all seriousness, I mean if Justin is struggling, we should be thinking, you know, in terms of him getting help. And Justin. You know, his mom has been very public about her history with depression and other issues on that order, she`s written a book on this issue, so not only being raised by a mom with depression, but having the genetic heritage, these maybe the manifestations of that and we just all hope that he`s getting help with this.
HAMMER: We certainly do. And we always appreciate your insight, Dr. Drew, thanks again.
All right, we move now from the Biebs` monstrously bad behavior to this.
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MOOS: It wasn`t just that the patient was a 400 pound tiger, made this a hairy operation, we mean really hairy, as in gigantic hairball. And that was just the first clump removed from Ty the Tiger`s stomach.
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HAMMER: A monster hairball, as big as the basketball, four pounds, I`m telling you this is not your kitty`s hairball, the whole hair raising tale about how this thing came out of a 400 pound tiger is coming up and wait till you see what we mean is our moment of SHOWBIZ Awesomeness. This is SBT, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT on HLN.
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HAMMER: Now, did you see this? It`s the supersized hairball that weighs in a whopping four pounds. And I know you`re probably thinking yeah, this is kind of gross, but this massive hairball wasn`t actually coughed up by your ordinary kitty, or no, it came from a 400-pound tiger. That had a hairy running with death before surgeons removed that monster mound from his stomach. CNN`s Jeanne Moos has the whole hair raising story for SHOWBIZ TONIGHT.
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MOOS: It wasn`t just that the patient was a 400-pound tiger that made this a hairy operation. We mean really hairy, as in gigantic hairball. And that was just the first clump removed from Ty the Tiger`s stomach.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`s sort of like my biggest baby. This is my kid.
MOOS: Vernon Yates raised Ty at his Florida wildlife refuge, but lately the 17-year-old tiger hadn`t been acting like himself. Over a three-week period, Ty ate less and less. His weight dropped 100 pounds. A vet put a scope down his throat, diagnoses hairball. It turns out a tiger gets a hairball the same way a house cat does, by licking and grooming himself. Only most cats, like Puss in Boots, manage to hack up the obstruction ...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hairball.
MOOS: ... but Ty`s hairball was way too big to cough up. Doctors at Blue Pearl vets offered to operate without charge. The press pressed up against the window.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Wow.
MOOS: Mesmerized as doctors removed clump after clump from Ty`s stomach.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Another one.
MOOS: Finally the doctor dropped the whole mass into the arms of Ty`s owner.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Show it to us.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Show it to us!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t want it!
MOOS: It weighed in at four pounds. Petite compared to the 167-pound human hairball a Missouri barber collected from years of clipping clients. But then the barber didn`t swallow that hairball.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is where we separate men and boys ...
MOOS: ... separated from his hairball, Ty`s prognosis was good and the doctors praised their patient.
DR. RON WOODMAN, REMOVED HAIRBALL FROM TIGER: This tiger specifically is a very, very nice, very, very sweet tiger.
MOOS: So, what do you do with a four-pound hairball? Ty`s owner says they thought about selling it on Ebay, but apparently selling something from an endangered species gets tricky, the plan is to just throw it away. It was as if Ty gave birth to his own little bundle of fur.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE).
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HAMMER: That`s CNN`s Jeanne Moos for SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. And that Ty`s owner tells SHOWBIZ TONIGHT the Ty has already eaten his first post-op meal. Handfed chicken, pork and beef and get this, Ty`s owner may not want to toss out that hairball, because it turns out Ripley`s "Believe It or Not" has actually expressed interest in acquiring the monster hairball for its collection of oddities. Perfect.
All right, moving on now from that hair-raising tale to a fresh take, a "Fresh Prince" reunion, 15 years in the making. Will and Carlton back together. Get them jiggy with it. You`ve got to see this old school moment of SHOWBIZ Awesomeness.
This is SBT, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT on HLN.
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HAMMER: Time for SHOWBIZ Awesomeness where we named the most awesome moment of the day. And tonight, we`re going old school. Yeah, we`re kicking it old style. Take a look at this reunion on BBC`s Graham Norton Show. That is Will Smith with us, former "Fresh Prince" co-star Alfonso Ribeiro. Otherwise known as Carlton. Enough fun so, you`re getting down with Grand Norton, and Will`s son Jaden. And if you think this is great, you`ve got to watch Will and Jaden rapping the theme song from "The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air."
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HAMMER: That is awesome. The epic "Fresh Prince" rap-along British style. Coming up next on "DR. DREW ON CALL", two of the Jodi Arias jurors are breaking their silence exclusively tonight on "DR. DREW." You`ve got to watch what they have to say about the trial that captivated the world. That starts right now.
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