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Does `Person of Interest` Get Government Surveillance Right?; Investigation to Look into Paris Jackson`s Living Situation; Chad Johnson Sentenced to 30 Days in Jail; Monty Hall to Receive Lifetime Achievement Award; The Jodi Arias Movie; Interview with Max Ehrich
Aired June 10, 2013 - 23:00 ET
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A.J. HAMMER, HOST: Tonight on the "SHOWBIZ Countdown," "SHOWBIZ Justice Shockers." So did a CBS TV show actually predict the national security leak before it even happened?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The government has a secret system, a machine that spies on you every hour of every day.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What did I tell you about?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It means you could practically...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You are being watched.
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HAMMER: How Hollywood anticipated the biggest government security leak in a generation. The executive producer of "Person of Interest" is right here tonight, revealing how he got ahead of the curve.
And a judge is looking into the Paris Jackson health scare. Could it be the first step in changing who raises her?
What`s the No. 1 "SHOWBIZ Justice Shocker" of the day? SHOWBIZ TONIGHT starts right now.
Hello, I`m A.J. Hammer in Hollywood. Thank you for watching.
Today, it`s today`s top three "SHOWBIZ Justice Shockers," and we`re kicking it off with a story that is certainly sending major shockwaves across the world tonight. It is the explosive reveal of the man behind the leak of top-secret government information.
Twenty-nine-year-old Edward Snowden admitting he leaked files about U.S. surveillance programs from the government that collect records on domestic phone calls and Internet activity in the hunt for terrorists. Snowden says he was just defending freedom and privacy. The very real controversy has shaken up the world. Plus, a hit show seems to have already predicted this day would come.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You are being watched.
HAMMER: The CBS show "Person of Interest" features two heroes who stop crimes with the use of a special high-tech tool.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: After the attacks, the government gave itself the power to read every e-mail and to listen to every cell phone.
HAMMER: They co-opt a top-secret government machines that sees all and knows all.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The machine is everywhere, watching us with 10,000 eyes. Listening with a million ears.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What did I tell you about the e-mail?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In three weeks you could practically...
HAMMER: Sound familiar?
ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: The FBI and NSA vacuuming up your e-mails, online pictures, audio, video.
HAMMER: The new revelation about a top-secret government program that gathers data from people`s cell phones, e-mails and online activities has the world reeling. Government officials say this program saves lives.
BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: They help us prevent terrorist attacks.
HAMMER: And on "Person of Interest," we see their machine doing just that.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s probably not a good night for a walk.
HAMMER: But some fear this is a case of Big Brother watching us just a little too closely.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think the line has been drawn too far.
HAMMER: So now we`re seeing a big parallel between real life and "Person of Interest," with one big exception.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The public wanted to be protected. They just didn`t want to know how they were being protected.
HAMMER: Now the real-life public does know how it`s being protected.
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HAMMER: That`s pretty crazy, right? Well, the cat is out of the bag, and this story has got everybody talking. But CBS`s hit show, "Person of Interest," was way ahead of the curve on this case.
With me now in Hollywood, the executive producer of "Person of Interest," Blake Griffin.
Great to have you here. This must be mind-blowing for you, because of course, your show is about this government-run system that`s put in place to spy on people to help protect them. And now we`re hearing the government really has a system that`s put in place to spy on people to help protect them. What went through your mind when the story broke?
It`s mind blowing. It`s been a very eventful week. Jonah Nolan, the creator of the show, executive produce is in New York right now. We`ve been talking back and forth, because everything that`s been going on, obviously, with Snowden and these revelations, it feels like to a degree, yes, maybe the show you could say, was prescient in that regard.
But we always assumed it existed. Admiral Poindexter created Total Information Awareness, which Congress stepped in and said, "This is a violation of people`s civil liberties. Shut it down." I say, well, that`s crazy to assume that they can create something like that and not try to do it again, and the next version that they came out with, you wouldn`t hear about it.
HAMMER: I`ve always said, look, if you think there`s not stuff going on that we`re not hearing about, you`re out of your mind. Look, it`s 2013.
But "Person of Interest" is a wildly popular show. It`s like the fifth most watched show on all of television. So do you think, perhaps, maybe it cushioned the blow a little bit, maybe it made people a little more comfortable with the idea that there is this extensive government surveillance systems in place?
GRIFFIN: That`s a little scary to think that perhaps we contributed to this subject.
HAMMER: It`s possible.
GRIFFIN: Every time there`s been a major attack or something along the lines of 9/11, there`s been a privacy grab in this country. Obviously, the Patriot Act came about. You know, we`re now dealing with the advent of the Boston bombings, so you wonder if to a certain extent people will say, "Well, I`m not doing anything wrong, I don`t mind if they`re going through my information." But that`s quite a slippery slope.
And I like to think that our show was presenting a hypothetical that, evidently now the only fiction aspect of our show is that the people who built the machine actually cared about your privacy. But I think that people should care about it very deeply, and we`re about to see the consequences.
HAMMER: Let me ask you very quickly. They`re going to be debating this on the set of your show. This guy, Edward Snowden, the guy who leaked the information about the surveillance program. People are calling him a hero. People are calling him a criminal. Where do you stand?
GRIFFIN: Well, it`s a fascinating situation. Obviously, people give away national secrets. We can`t have that. But I felt, this seems like a man operating under principles and the way he`s conducted himself is, he`s a whistle blower out of principles.
HAMMER: Maybe you`ve got a story line for your show. We`ll see. Who knows?
All right.
GRIFFIN: We`re moving to Tuesday at 10 p.m. this year.
HAMMER: I was about to get your plug. Thank you for being here. "Person of Interest" returns for its third season this fall on CBS at its all-new time, Tuesday at 10 p.m. Eastern.
Over now at No. 2 in our countdown of "SHOWBIZ Justice Shockers," Paris Jackson in crisis.
SHOWBIZ TONIGHT can confirm a judge has ordered an investigation into the health, education and welfare of Michael Jackson`s troubled 15-year-old daughter, Paris. She was hospitalized, of course, last week after an apparent suicide attempt.
Darren Kavinoky joining me in Hollywood tonight. He`s an attorney and host of "Deadly Sins" on Investigation Discovery. In Sanford, Florida, CNN legal analyst and ex-prosecutor, Sunny Hostin.
OK. So Michael Jackson`s mother, Katherine, is the legal guardian of Paris and her two brothers. Darren, what do you think? Should Katherine perhaps be nervous that there could be a chance in that arrangement coming?
DARREN KAVINOKY, HOST, INVESTIGATION DISCOVERY`S "DEADLY SINS": There may be a change. Ultimately, the court is concerned with one thing, and that`s the health and wellbeing of the child.
And people have been, in the social media world, have been saying things that suggest the die has been cast for Paris for a long time. No one is terribly shocked about this. But ultimately now, it`s a good opportunity for the court to take a fresh look and say, "What do we need to do to make sure that child is protected?"
HAMMER: Yes, Sunny, I mean, why else would a judge really be looking into an incident like this if not to decide that the custody situation is bet for Paris?
SUNNY HOSTIN, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: Yes, I mean, I think Darren has it exactly right. What is in the best interests of Paris Jackson?
And that`s the thing, because we`ve sort of seen her grow up, and we`ve seen her mature. People forget, this is a child. She is a child struggling with a lot of difficult things right now. The death of father, all the pressure of the AEG trial. She was supposed to testify.
And so I suspect that the judge is really going to look into this and determine where should she be? What should she do? Who should she be with? And those are -- those are questions that we need the answers to.
HAMMER: Yes, it`s a sad, sad story, and at the risk of repeating myself, I just hope while all of this is being investigated and figured out, there is somebody who really has her best interests at heart, who actually knows what they`re doing and has given her the right advice and putting her on the right path.
But right now, we get to No. 1 on our "SHOWBIZ Justice Shocker" countdown. This could be the world`s costliest butt slap. This is a wild story.
Former football and reality show star Chad Johnson just got sentenced to jail today for slapping his attorney on the butt in court. That`s right; I`m not joking.
This went down during a hearing that was set up to discuss Johnson`s probation violation in a domestic violence case. Well, during a light moment in court, he slapped his attorney`s butt, and then the judge went off on him.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you have any questions? Is there something funny about what`s going on today?
CHAD JOHNSON, FORMER FOOTBALL STAR: I didn`t laugh.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The whole courtroom laughed, because you just slapped your attorney. I don`t think anything is funny about this. This isn`t a joke.
JOHNSON: I didn`t do it as a joke.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Everyone in the courtroom was laughing. I`m not accepting these plea negotiations.
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HAMMER: Ooh, she was ticked off. Look at that. So what happened? The judge -- who wasn`t in on the joke, apparently -- sentenced Chad to 30 days in jail for the butt slap. He`s led out of court, as we see, in cuffs.
Look, you know, football players slap each other on the butt all the time. Granted this was a courtroom, but Darren, did this judge overreact? I mean, come on.
KAVINOKY: A.J., normally, I reserve the phrase "two scoops of crazy"...
HAMMER: Yes.
KAVINOKY: ... to apply to the litigants, but this time, it applies to the judge. Obviously, she did not speak football-ese. If she did, she`d know that slapping him on the butt was just a way of saying, "Atta boy. Good job." This was a total overreaction.
HAMMER: But then again, some people will call, you know, the sanctity of the courtroom very, very special. Sunny, was this a bad move by the judge: 30 days for Chad?
HOSTIN: I certainly believe in the sanctity of the courtroom, and I think there has to be courtroom decorum.
But I`ve got to agree with Darren. I think she went a bit too far. I mean, if he`s on there for a probation violation, and you`re dealing with the facts of that particular case, and they have a plea deal on the table and everything is in order, I don`t know that you kick in 30 days for a butt slap.
HAMMER: Yes.
HOSTIN: I was really, really surprised at this, and I think she went too far, A.J.
KAVINOKY: Yes. I hope they find an elegant way to get him out of there.
HAMMER: And now she can`t believe she`s all over the television.
All right. Sunny, Darren, thank you both so much. Nice to have you here.
Well, tonight, I`m revealing Jodi`s dirty little secret.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right, that is enough.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Come on, let`s just take a couple more. Come on, face the wall.
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HAMMER: We`re taking you behind the scenes of the brand-new Lifetime movie of convicted killer Jodi Arias. We`ve been following the movie every step of the way. Well, tonight the two stars that play Jodi and Travis, right here. I`m going one-on-one with Tania Raymonde and Jesse Lee Soffer.
Plus, is this the moment every TV competition show fan has been waiting for.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE (singing): I dream the impossible dream.
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HAMMER: Oh, yes, super grump Simon got egged live during his show, "Britain`s Got Talent." Did Simon finally get a taste of his own medicine or was this pelting way out of line?
This is SBT, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, on HLN.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s, of course, the all-new "Let`s Make a Deal," starring TV`s big dealer, Monty Hall.
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HAMMER: Oh, yes, no mistaking that. That is game-show host and true legend, Monty Hall. The game show host that really started it all. "Let`s Make a Deal."
Now, the long-time television icon is being honored. It`s happening on Sunday night. An absolutely TV legend is going to receive this year`s Daytime Emmy lifetime achievement award.
Game-show host Monty Hall is getting that top honor at daytime TV`s big party. Monty`s iconic show, "Let`s Make a Deal," started 50 years ago. That is right; do the math. That was 1963. It is still going strong today. In fact, it is now nominated for best game show Emmy with its new host, Wayne Brady, who is now making the deals.
Tonight, I have got TV`s original deal maker with me, the one, the only, Monty Hall. And I just must start by saying, it is not just a pleasure but an honor to be seated here with you.
MONTY HALL, GAME-SHOW HOST: I must be old, when people talk to me like that.
HAMMER: But the truth is, you are the guy who was a big part of the reason that I do what I do. And so many guys who do what I do, do what we do.
HALL: Well, do it.
HAMMER: I`m trying. I`m trying. So, it`s terrific to have you here. I`m so happy about this honor. We`re going to get to spend some more time, again, on Sunday at the Daytime Emmy Awards. You were just back on "Let`s Make a Deal" for the show`s big 50th anniversary with Wayne Brady.
HALL: I did it from `63 to 1991, and then I did -- turned it over to other people, and I appeared every decade since then.
HAMMER: Well, shall we take a look at you in action with Wayne on the current incarnation of the show?
HALL: Yes.
HAMMER: Let`s see that.
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HALL: Two thousand dollars.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (SCREAMING) Thank you!
HALL: Not bad, right?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Love it.
HALL: You didn`t get the car, but you ended up with $2,000. Not a bad deal. Two thousand dollars is not a bad pay day at all.
WAYNE BRADY, CURRENT HOST, "LET`S MAKE A DEAL": How are you? Thank you so much for being with us here.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m so happy.
BRADY: I`m happy, too. This is a really good day, seeing how you made it look so easy. I was over there going, what am I doing?
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HAMMER: It`s like the microphone never left your hand, right? It must feel great doing that with Wayne.
HALL: It`s getting back on the horse again. You know, secondhand, I`ve been doing it all my life and continued to do it.
HAMMER: And when Wayne took over this show, I have to believe you had some sage advice for him. You had to tell him something.
HALL: I own the show, so I pulled him aside.
HAMMER: Don`t screw it up.
HALL: Like a Dutch uncle, and the most important thing I said to him is I said two things, No. 1 the star of the show is the contestant. Because I want all the -- all the reactions to take place on the contestant. And if they look good, you look good.
And the second thing is, if a woman is going for a car, a new car.
HAMMER: Yes.
HALL: And she loses it and still kisses you, you did something right.
HAMMER: That`s right.
Now, the show, as I mentioned, started 50 years ago, 1963. Look, television has certainly changed a lot over the years, but even back then, it was a tough business. How long did you think the show would stay on the air?
HALL: Well, we were hoping for 13 weeks.
HAMMER: Right.
HALL: But you never know. First of all, it took us a long time to get the show on the air, because there were only three networks in those days, and one of them didn`t have game shows. And two of them looked at it and one of them turned it down. And we were lucky to get a pilot out of it.
And then they gave us the worst time period on the schedule. And they said, "Well, if you want it, you got it. It will only last a few weeks." Fifty years later we`re still here.
HAMMER: Congratulations. It`s a perennial favorite. I`m so glad it`s on. I`m so glad you`re here and that we`re going to get to be together on Sunday when you`re up for your lifetime achievement award and Wayne is nominated. Monty, it`s such a pleasure and an honor.
Make sure you`re with us on "HLN Sunday Night" for all the action. Be here for all the action. It`s live. I`m going to be right there on the red carpet, along with Christi Paul.
We`ll be talking with all of the biggest stars, maybe even Monty again. Then at 8 p.m., I`m going to join Robin Meade and "Good Morning America`s" Sam Champion as we host this year`s show. HLN, your front-row seat to all the action. It`s the only place to see the 40th annual Daytime Emmy Awards. That`s right here, Sunday night, on HLN.
All right. As we move on tonight, it`s Helicopter Harry. You`ve got to take a look at this. Now, you may have known that Prince Harry is a helicopter pilot in the British army, but I bet you had no idea that he knew all of these death-defying moves. Look at that. We`re going to show you how he pulled all this off.
And from choppers to flight delays. Yes, we all can agree, nothing is worse than getting stuck in an airport runway, right? Unless you happen to have a world-class orchestra to give you a private performance.
This is really cool. It`s the Philadelphia Orchestra`s impromptu performance, and it is firing up the Internet tonight. And it is your moment in "SHOWBIZ Awesomeness."
SHOWBIZ TONIGHT on HLN.
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HAMMER: And now it`s SHOWBIZ Parent Power, with Father`s Day around the corner, we have a star-powered tribute to one of Hollywood`s most famous dads tonight.
SHOWBIZ TONIGHT just caught up with Hollywood`s red-hot father-son pair, Will and Jaden Smith, on the red carpet. It wasn`t really much of a stretch when they just teamed up for the summer blockbuster, "After Earth" to play father and son, and they seem closer than ever in real life now after working together so closely on the movie. You`ve got to watch Jaden`s Father`s Day shout-out to his legendary dad.
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JADEN SMITH, ACTOR: He`s smart. That`s the best thing about him.
WILL SMITH, ACTOR/RAP ARTIST: Yes.
J. SMITH: He spits constant knowledge. And that`s his best gift is that he gives the wisdom to the people.
W. SMITH: Yes! Yes!
J. SMITH: So they will have the wisdom.
W. SMITH: Preach, preach.
J. SMITH: And then they can spread the wisdom.
W. SMITH: Yes, so I`m like a wisdom machine. Yes, that`s what I think of myself.
J. SMITH: Yes.
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HAMMER: A wisdom spitting machine. You`ve got to love that. You can really tell that Jaden means every word of it. So nice to see a Hollywood father and son with such a powerful bond. Really nice.
Well, from a superstar Hollywood dad to a real-life Hollywood lifesaver. The great John Malkovich isn`t usually cast as a superhero in his movies, but he sure proved that he is just that.
The award-winning actor came to the rescue of a man who had seriously cut his neck after falling on the street in Toronto, where Malkovich was promoting a new project. When the actor saw the 77-year-old man gash his neck, he sprang into action, using a towel to apply pressure to the man`s neck until an ambulance arrived.
And this is best part of the whole thing: Malkovich only told the man that his name was John.
Jim Walpole is the man`s name. He received 10 stitches. He`s going to make a full recovery. But you`ve got to watch what he told CBC-TV about the whole wild event.
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JIM WALPOLE, SAVED BY JOHN MALKOVICH: I was face down, and I don`t know whether I turned over or the guys turned me over to see what -- where all the blood was coming from. And they were -- they just were marvelous. They put pressure on the wound and wouldn`t let me move until the rescue squad got there.
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HAMMER: John Malkovich, legendary actor. One of my favorites. And I must say, pretty amazing.
OK. From a Hollywood hero to a Hollywood villain?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE (singing): To dream the impossible dream.
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HAMMER: What`s he doing? Simon Cowell, the TV judge that everyone loves to hate, just got pelted with eggs live during his show, "Britain`s Got Talent." So is it time to cheer or is this a fate that not even Simon deserves?
Plus, it`s show time at the Daytime Emmys. Tonight, it`s the race for soap opera supremacy. I`ve got the breakout star of "The Young and the Restless." Max Ehrich is right here. He will reveal what it feels like to be nominated for an Emmy at just 21.
This is SBT, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, on HLN.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE (singing): To dream the impossible dream.
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HAMMER: Right now on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, Simon`s comeuppance? The TV judge everyone loves to hate gets egged on live TV. So is this the moment that millions of people have been waiting for or was the sneak attack just plain outrageous?
Plus, Jodi Arias`s dirty little secret.
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RAYMONDE: Come on, let`s just do a couple more. Come on, face the wall.
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HAMMER: We are revealing lifetime TV`s provocative Jodi Arias movie. "SHOWBIZ TONIGHT" has been following every move of the production from the start, and tonight, we`ve got Tania Raymonde and Jesse Lee Soffer who played Jodi and Travis right here. "SHOWBIZ TONIGHT" continues right now.
Welcome back to "SHOWBIZ TONIGHT," thank you for watching, I`m HAMMER: Hammer in Hollywood and tonight, SHOWBIZ newsmakers, with the cast of "Dirty Little Secrets," the Jodi Arias story. So, finally, in less than two weeks we`re all going to get to check out lifetime`s movie version of the most sensational trial that we`ve seen in the long, long time. Jodi Arias, of course, was found guilty of first degree murder, but the jury in her case failed to reach a unanimous decision on whether to sentence Jodi to life or death. So, what do the stars from the lifetime movie think about that? With me right now, Tania Raymonde, who played Jodi Arias and Jesse Lee Soffer who played Travis Alexander in the movie. Great to finally meet you guys have you both here. And I think that everybody who has been paying attention to this trial, which let`s face it, is everybody, was just shocked that the same jury who convicted Jodi could not come to a conclusion about her sentence. What was your reaction, Jesse?
JESSE LEE SOFFER, PLAYS TRAVIS ALEXANDER IN THE LIFETIME MOVIE "JODI ARIAS: DIRTY LITTLE SECRETS": It`s such a difficult story to wrap your head around and to go one way or the other with. Because it`s so complicated. Here is this, you know, seemingly sweet little woman. How she is capable of doing such a heinous thing and then the things that she said about him and the relationship, is it true? Is it not true? There`s such a gray area and you know, taking someone`s life in your hands and terminating it is no easy matter.
HAMMER: Yeah, and that`s I think, what was facing a lot of the jurors here. I think people were satisfied with the decision from the jury when they delivered their guilty verdict at the end of the main trial. Let`s take a look at the moment - that that all happen and Jodi`s reaction to what went down.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We the jury, duly impaneled and sworn in the above entitled action upon our oath do find the defendant as to count one, first degree murder, guilty.
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HAMMER: So, Tania, I`m watching you watching her and it has to be a little weird, because you got involved in her life, having played and having really = had to study her. But we are watching her right there hearing the guilty verdict and sitting there so stoically, having studied her character as much as you had to for this role, were you surprised by her reaction at all?
RAYMONDE: I mean I tried to figure out what it would feel like to hear those words. I mean I think Jodi - Jodi has been essentially not preparing for this verdict, but I mean she has been preparing for this for the last five years. I mean she has been behind bars for a long time now, and so, you know, she was also put on the stand for a long time, she spoke for like 18 days. And so I think, you know, we have all seen Jodi as being very kind of composed and together in terms of like, you know, how she handles everything that is being thrown at her. So I was not surprised, but I cannot imagine what that must feel like and we watched that live on set too, because we were shooting the other time.
HAMMER: Wow.
RAYMONDE: Yeah.
HAMMER: That had to be a little surreal.
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RAYMONDE: Very Surreal, I mean it`s just - it takes you out of what you are doing and I -- after we watched the guilty verdict we went to go shoot some, you know, whatever (inaudible) scenes and it was very hard to get it out of my head. It was crazy.
HAMMER: And as we were seeing her reaction, we also got to see the reaction from Travis Alexander`s friends and family. And wow, talk about a completely different reaction. But understandably. There was sort of this big slump, collective slump coming from that side of the room. Having played Travis Alexander now, Jesse, do you feel an emotional connection to his family in some way?
SOFFER: Um, I would not say an emotional connection to his family. But, definitely, you know, a responsibility because I do believe that, you know, she was convicted and that she should have been. And so, there`s a part of me that is glad and feels relieve over that verdict. So.
HAMMER: So, we have this lack of emotion from Jodi in the courtroom that we saw and then she sits down, she does all these interviews with the media. So, again, having studied her for the role and playing her in the movie. Do you think that she is sorry at all or is she just enjoying the attention? Because you really get the impression that this level of narcissism that is something that you had to capture, I`m sure, is really --
RAYMONDE: Well, yeah.
HAMMER: -- such a part of her existence.
RAYMONDE: Her, I mean, her vanity was a big part of just the image that she was kind of trying to portray of herself, especially, you know, she went through a little bit of a makeover when she studied going on the stand and the trial is going on, but you know she was - the way she looked and how she presented herself is very important to her. You know, I think -- I think that she -- you know, is sorry. That you are asking me if --
HAMMER: Somewhere deep inside there?
RAYMONDE: No, no. I think - I think she has to be sorry. I don`t know how sorry, how exactly I don`t know. But I think she regrets what she has done.
HAMMER: There`s so many stand out moments, of course, in the coverage of the trial. And as we saw it all playing out, you know, from her standing on her head while she was being interrogated to all the crying we saw her doing on the stand. Let`s take a look at a scene from the movie that was ripped right from the trial. This is when prosecutor Juan Martinez was asking Jodi if she cried while she was killing Travis. Roll that, Charles.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: While you were shooting him?
RAYMONDE: I don`t remember
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Were you crying when you were stabbing him? How about when you cut his throat? Were you crying then?
RAYMONDE: I don`t remember.
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HAMMER: Now, Jesse, again. You guys got into these guys heads really like nobody else probably has had to. Except for, perhaps, the attorneys. Do you think that Jodi felt any remorse or do you think she was just sorry she got caught in the end?
SOFFER: That is from - a really difficult question. That`s why I`m here. It`s good job. Good job.
HAMMER: Thank you.
SOFFER: I think that -- honestly, I think that she had an unhealthy obsession and that in the moment, she felt righteous, that is what I think, that`s my own personal humble opinion. Just on a gut reaction, or an instinct reaction that I think that there was no remorse.
HAMMER: Tania, you were about - you were about to jump in there?
RAYMONDE: No, oh, I`ve just - I`m just engaged in that.
HAMMER: Well, you know, there are so many theories, and that`s the thing, everybody has their theories, there`ve been plenty of headlines and ideas about the way that Jodi killed Travis. About the 62 seconds.
RAYMONDE: Right.
HAMMER: In the lifetime movie, you guys, actually had to reenact that shower scene --
RAYMONDE: Yes.
HAMMER: And boy, it was bloody. It had to be tough knowing that is probably and we are looking at it right now, how Jodi really killed Travis, I imagine.
RAYMONDE: Well, it was tough, because, you know, a big part of our movie deals with just Jodi falling in love with Travis and Travis falling in love with Jodi and their relationship. And so, because we kind of lived that for so long, we kind of shot chronologically, so to end sort of our film with that scene was very difficult, and I mean Jesse and me both, (inaudible) to speak for him, but I know that this true.
SOFFER: Speak for me, Tania.
RAYMONDE: It was incredibly difficult to shoot that scene.
HAMMER: Yes.
SOFFER: Yes.
RAYMONDE: Just for a bunch of reasons- I mean we`ve all seen the crime scene photos, and autopsy photos --
SOFFER: I had a hard time looking in the mirror --
RAYMONDE: Yes.
SOFFER: I had a hard time looking in the mirror with the make up on.
HAMMER: No kidding. Did you have a hard time taking the job knowing the brutality of this crime? Did that give you pause for a moment? Obviously, it`s a job, but to be totally honest?
SOFFER: Yeah, definitely. And I wasn`t comfortable with it until I had really done some research, read the script and felt confident enough that I could do a good job.
HAMMER: Well, I am sure you did, and we`re all going to get to see a play- out when the show actually airs. Great having you guys here. Thank you so much.
RAYMONDE: Cool, thank you so much.
SOFFER: Thank you.
HAMMER: Some tough subject matter, for sure. Tania Raymonde, Jesse Lee Soffer, you got to catch them in the new lifetime movie, "Dirty Little Secrets." The Jodi Arias story, it airs on June 22nd.
We move on now from that shocking new movie about Jodi Arias to this shocking moment caught on tape.
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HAMMER: And it was not even breakfast. Simon Cowell getting pelted with eggs live on his show "Britain`s Got Talent." Now, some people think he has had this coming for a long time. Being the TV judge, that so many people love to hate, but is egging someone ever OK? Plus, the stunt man prince, Prince Harry showing off some absolutely death defying moves in an apache helicopter, wait till you see how the prince wowed the crowds. And wait until you see our moment of SHOWBIZ Awesomeness tonight. This is SBT, "SHOWBIZ TONIGHT" on HLN.
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HAMMER: Talk about your unexpected twist. A woman lobbing eggs at Simon Cowell and the rest of "Britain`s Got Talent`s" judging panel, stole the show. Sure she may have done what a lot of other people have only dreamed about during, but did she take things too far? Get ready for SHOWBIZ TONIGHT quick hits as we`re taking on today`s biggest story, that lightning speed, and tonight we are kicking things off with the egg tossing violinist who attacked the judges of "Britain`s Got Talent" during the season finale. Fantastic. In the blink of an eye, this woman bombarded the stage during a performance and then pelted the judges with eggs. As you see. She threw at least five eggs before security stopped her. Couldn`t even get to half a dozen. With me tonight in Hollywood, David Begnaud, the host of "Newsbreaker" on Ora TV. Great to be here with you.
So, this show went on without a hitch, but here is exactly what went down. The woman was playing back up for the orchestra that was performing on stage. That is when she got up and started doing the egg toss thing. She was reportedly protesting Simon Cowell`s influence on the music industry. Now, we know, of course, Simon is the judge that everybody loves to hate, David. So, the question is, was this woman exactly right or was she way out of line? That 30 second clock is already started.
DAVID BEGNAUD, HOST, NEWSBREAKER ON ORA TV: Exactly right, if we go from the approach of the one person in the world you`d want to toss an egg at, it would be Cowell, kids don`t try this at home. Look, the best part about his, A.J., is when she is walking out there, (inaudible) the eggs. She`s got a big old smile on her face, like I have waited months to do this in his face. The video`s kind of (inaudible). The best thing is, is that I think Simon turned around and was like, apologize. But he probably understood. If I was like, you know what I deserved it. A lot of people would love to get in line to throw an egg at me.
HAMMER: And here is the thing, she was not throwing darts at him. But yes - Simon went up, he apologized and let`s just watch to see exactly how that all went down.
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SIMON COWELL: I think I can actually say that - (inaudible) yesterday I told like eggs, and I really don`t like eggs enough. I have no idea what that was about. So, whoever is watching, I do apologize. Apologize. I`m sorry for you guys.
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HAMMER: Now, if it was egg whites maybe he would have been OK. But apparently, I think, the judges handled it well. Want to move on right now? It is to our next quick hit. Tonight, Prince Harry, an apache helicopter and some truly death defying stunts. Look at this incredible video, it`s Prince Harry in action. He is up there in the air, thrilling the crowd. This is an air show in England. Yesterday. Harry was right there in the copilot seat and this was the first time ever performing with the acrobatic show team, what a performance. I mean Wow, this is incredible. But what was really cool is that nobody in the crowd knew they were watching Harry until the show`s announcer revealed at the end that was Harry up there performing those stunts. So the crowd loved it. But he is the prince, these are incredibly dangerous stunts, David, are you cheering Harry, saying go on, keep doing this ,or are you saying - you know what, Harry, maybe keep your boots on the ground?
BEGNAUD: No, hell, yes, look, he is not the guy who is going to be the king. The guy who is going to be the king follows the rules and doesn`t do fun things like this. Harry is naked in a hotel room in Vegas or he is doing this on a chopper. I think it`s awesome, he is a total bad ass, and could you imagine being on the ground, you`re watching this, HAMMER:, and then all of a sudden, they just over the announcers say Prince Harry and you are like, you have got to be kidding me.
HAMMER: Yes.
BEGNAUD: I mean this is some pretty impressive stuff. I`m impressed that a prince can do something like that. I think it`s awesome.
HAMMER: Oh, it is awesome.
BEGNAUD: Awesome.
HAMMER: And I love the fact that he is just living his life and doing what he wants to do.
BEGNAUD: Right.
HAMMER: And the fact that he is a royal heir. No big deal.
BEGNAUD: Look, I think the ladies love it. Ladies love it.
HAMMER: There is no question about that. All right. Let`s move to quick hit number three, this is another story that everybody is talking about today. Neil Patrick Harris, one of the most over the top, unforgettable award show openings you will ever see. Look at this.
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HAMMER: This of the amazing opening number at the Tony`s going on for eight minutes. He`s already been named host of the next prime time Emmys. Should we just name him host of every award show except for the daytime Emmys here to come in 30 seconds?
BEGNAUD: We should give him his own variety show. Look, two words: the best, the guy did it for seven minutes straight. He got one minute - 60 seconds of a total applause. He was running around the theater, A.J., I`m not a big theater fan. And I think for most of America who does not live in New York, and then who isn`t, you watch something like this, I watched all seven minutes and I wanted to stand up.
HAMMER: Sucked you right in.
BEGNAUD: Hell, yeah, Tonys!
HAMMER: I was wondering how the heck he did have the stuff he did. The quick changes and all that stuff.
BEGNAUD: Yeah.
HAMMER: All right, David. Great having you here as --
BEGNAUD: Good to have you in L.A.
HAMMER: We move now from the Tony`s to the daytime Emmys. I`m hosting that thing. And SHOWBIZ TONIGHT at the center of the daytime Emmys Universe all week. We will get ready for daytime TV`s biggest party. It`s on Sunday. And tonight, I take you inside the wild world of the soaps.
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HAMMER: You are going to love to hate paintball (ph), when he is the big bully on the "Young and the Restless." Max Ehrich is the incredible young star who plays fan. Max right here taking the Emmys by storm this year, has got a nomination for outstanding young actor in a drama series, and I will speak to him next. He`s going to prove he is really a nice guy. Plus, wait until you see what we named as our moment of SHOWBIZ Awesomeness. This is SBT. "SHOWBIZ TONIGHT" on HLN.
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HAMMER: Right now, SHOWIBZ at the daytime Emmys, the Young and the Restless break out star Max Ehrich is taking the Emmys by storm this year. The first time Emmy nominee is nominated for outstanding younger actor in the drama series for his role as Fen Baldwin, the Bully. Watch.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why are you picking on Jamie?
MAX EHRICH: I don`t know what you are talking about.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Please don`t even, you are the only person that could have sent that nasty face place message.
EHRICH: (inaudible) is to protect her.
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HAMMER: Not a nice guy. Well, thankfully, in real life, Max Ehrich seems to be anything but a bully. He is with me right now at Hollywood. It`s great to meet you, man.
EHRICH: It`s great to meet you too.
HAMMER: And Fen is just busy making people`s lives miserable. And on "Young and the Restless" I`m getting an impression that`s not you. Was it ever you?
EHRICH: Actually, it`s funny, because I was on the other side - not really funny at all, but I was a victim of bullying, I`m from a small town in New Jersey, and I would not say being an artist is the cool thing to do.
HAMMER: Right.
EHRICH: So, yeah, I definitely was a victim too. But, you know, that is definitely, it gave me some depth and I have been able to use that for my work and I am happy that the story line got to spread the influence. It`s an epidemic right now, so many kids are being bullied just for being different at any cost and it`s horrible.
HAMMER: No, it`s great that you can be sort of a face against bullying and obviously the fact that you were at the other end of that, I`m sure, has informed your work and also your ability to talk to kids about what they may go through.
EHRICH: Yeah, that is why I was excited when I got the storyline, it just touched home, you know, obviously, among the other sides of it, but just to spread awareness of it was enough.
HAMMER: So, here - wait, you`re 21 years old now.
EHRICH: Yes.
HAMMER: I think you turned 22 this summer. Actually in the couple of weeks, right?
EHRICH: My two weeks.
HAMMER: All right, but this is like your first full-time job in your life. You are a bona-fide soap star. You are working with these other incredible actors including the great Eric Braeden who plays Victor Newman on your show.
EHRICH: I want to be.
HAMMER: But a lot of your coworkers like Eric, they have been at this for decades.
EHRICH: Yes.
HAMMER: Do you have a plan? I know it`s early in your career, but have you thought about, that you could see yourself doing this, 20, 30 years from now?
EHRICH: You know, part of my practice in my life is what I like to do in my art and it`s just be fully here and now. I cannot really -- as much as I can try and plan out my future. I`m just trying to be fully present. Like here with you right now, you would think this is any job and in my mind, it is.
HAMMER: And you are welcome to take over this job. If you like.
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EHRICH: So, no, you know, I have a great team around me, over the anonymous count ten (ph) and Kirsty Kosten (ph). That is kind of their job, my job is to really, I`m loving the story I`m getting to do, I`m getting to go to really dark places in a very emotional depth and. I get to go everywhere. It`s so roller coaster.
HAMMER: You`re naming the places that you work with, it sound like you are preparing for your acceptance speech on Sunday. So, look, look at you, man, you are first here, you`re on the job just a year now, and you`re nominated for a daytime Emmy. I have to imagine, that`s a pretty big deal to you.
EHRICH: Yeah.
HAMMER: As an artist and just somebody who loves what they do.
EHRICH: Yeah, just the fact that I get to do to play make-believe for a living, is - that`s what it comes down to at the end, we are telling stories and we get to put on these character masks and it`s so much fun so the fact that I get recognized by my peers for my work is - that`s enough, to be honest. So right now it`s really - even here and you`re here, I`m - the child inside of me is like, wait, you are what?
HAMMER: That is how most people get around in the show. And then they realize - oh wait, wait, who is that guy? Well, look, I`m really looking forward to running into you again on Sunday, and I know you`re presenting - it`s a big party. We have a lot fun, Max. You`re going to have a great time.
EHRICH: Thank you. All right.
HAMMER: Great to have you here.
EHRICH: Remember last year? So, it`s where to be here this year.
HAMMER: As a nominee --
EHRICH: As a nominee, yeah.
HAMMER: Pretty cool. All right, good luck to you on Sunday, and god luck to your costar as well, Bryton James, also nominated in the same category. And we wish, of course, the best of luck. Don not forget to meet me right here on HLN for the daytime Emmy Sunday night. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT is going to be live with the red carpet coverage that fires up at 7:30 P.M. Eastern. We`re followed up with the big show - the 40th annual daytime Emmy awards at 8 P.M.
Switching gears now to another kind of drama. A four-hour flight delay. Now, he doesn`t hate it when the plane gets stuck on the runway, right? How about these passengers who got an impromptu private concert from one of the best orchestras in the world. This is our SHOWBIZ "Moment of Awesomeness." This is SBT, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT" on HLN.
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HAMMER: It is time for SHOWBIZ Awesomeness, this is where we name the most awesome story of the day. And tonight, I`ve got for us the only reason I can ever imagine wanting to be stuck on an airport tarmac, your own private concert from one of the best orchestras in the world, you`re looking at the Philadelphia Orchestra. Well, they got stuck for four hours on a run way in Beijing. Did they complain? No way. They`ve just decided to do what they do best and entertain everyone on board the flight with an impromptu performance. You`ve got to see it.
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HAMMER: That is just amazing and it could very well be the best inflight entertainment ever. Coming up next on "DR. DREW ON CALL," jury selection for George Zimmerman`s trial for the shooting death of Trayvon Martin is officially under way, will they be able to find a jury that will yield a fair verdict, Dr. Drew starts right now.
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