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President Bush Chooses New Joint Chiefs of Staff

Aired August 24, 2001 - 11:44   ET

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STEPHEN FRAZIER, CNN ANCHOR: We go from McAllen, Texas, now to Crawford, Texas, where the president is about to announce his choice for the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: As the commander in chief, I have the obligation to make sure that America's military is properly trained, equipped and manned to meet the threats of today, while also preparing to meet the changing threats of tomorrow.

When I took the oath of office and assume the title of commander in chief, our military faced significant challenges. I'm proud to report that, thanks to the leadership of Secretary of Defense Don Rumsfeld and the work of our military and civilian leaders, as well as the cooperation of the United States Congress, we're making progress. We've increased pay for our service men and women and funded improved military housing and medical benefits.

I've asked Congress to provide our military an increase of $39 billion over the original 2001 appropriations. That'll be the largest increase in military spending since Ronald Reagan was the commander in chief. This is money our military needs and money our budget allows.

We're not only going to spend more on national defense, we're going to spend it more wisely. Secretary Rumsfeld and our military leaders are in the midst of a comprehensive review of our entire defense structure, from which will come recommendations to accelerate the transformation of America's military.

Transformation is a process, not a one-time event.

It's not easy, because it requires balancing two sometimes conflicting priorities: the need to train and maintain our forces to meet all our security responsibilities in the world right now, with the need to research, develop, plan and deploy new systems and strategies that will allow us to meet our responsibilities in a much different world in years to come.

Transformation is important, because the decisions we make today, or put off, will shape our nation's security for decades to come.

I'm pleased that my administration has assembled an outstanding national security team. I asked Don Rumsfeld to come to Washington because of his creativity and his experience and because I know he is a results-oriented leader who will get the job done. Don and I will work closely with our new chairman of the Joint Chiefs, who will serve as my principal military adviser and who will make sure the military's point of view is always heard in the White House. The chairman, together with the members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, will make sure all our armed forces work in a coordinated and effective way. The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is also charged with reporting faithfully to the U.S. Congress on the state and needs of our armed forces.

For the last several years, our nation has been ably served by an outstanding military leader and a good man, General Hugh Shelton.

He's done a great job as the most senior officer in the world's greatest military. I've appreciated his advice and counsel and our entire nation is grateful for his service.

Today I name a new chairman of the Joint Chiefs, one of the most important appointments a president can make. This appointment is especially so because it comes at a time when we need great leadership.

Secretary Rumsfeld and I thought long and hard about this important choice, and we enthusiastically agree that the right man to preserve the best traditions of our armed forces, while challenging them to innovate to meet the threats of the future, is General Richard B. Myers.

General Myers is a man of steady resolve and determined leadership. His is a skilled and steady hand. He is someone who understands that the strengths of America's armed forces are our people and our technological superiority and we must invest in both.

I'm also pleased to announce that General Pete Pace, current commander of SOUTHCOM, will serve as vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs. General Pace is a proud Marine and represents a new generation of leadership and military thinking.

I spent a substantial amount of time with both these men, and I'm convinced they're the right people to lead our military into the future.

Times like these -- times of rapidly changing technology and ever-changing threats -- will require tough choices. This team of strong leaders -- Don Rumsfeld, General Myers and General Pace -- knows that our nation must think differently. And we will think differently to protect and defend America's values and interests in the world.

To tell you more about our new chairman and vice chairman, it's my pleasure to welcome to Crawford the secretary of defense, Don Rumsfeld.

(APPLAUSE)

DONALD RUMSFELD, SECRETARY OF DEFENSE: Mr. President, thank you very much. Mrs. Bush, General and Mrs. Myers, General and Mrs. Pace, and ladies and gentlemen.

Mr. President, you've spoken about the need to transform our armed forces. You told us to challenge the status quo and to work to build a 21st-century military that can deter aggression and help us extend peace well into the next century -- this new one.

Change is hard, and changing so vital an institution as the U.S. Department of Defense is not undertaken lightly. It takes clarity of vision and unity of purpose, and it takes leadership.

General Dick Myers is such a leader. I've had the great good fortune to work closely with Dick Myers and with General Hugh Shelton these past months. We have met for hours and hours, days on end, working and analyzing, discussing, debating. And you get to know someone pretty well after that kind of effort.

What I have come to know and expect of General Dick Myers is candor, sound judgment, keen insights, fiber and good humor. He's from Kansas, a man of the prairie, who's conquered the skies from service as a fighter pilot in Vietnam to commander of the U.S. Space Command. His career is the embodiment of the transformation with which he will be charged as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Mr. President, I am proud to join you today to welcome General Myers to the opportunities that we will share together over the period ahead. No one will have a greater responsibility than he to turn your vision into a reality for the two million-plus men and women who don the nation's uniforms to carry out their very vital assignments.

General Myers, I am delighted with your nomination, and I look forward to working with you.

It also gives me great pleasure to be here with General Pete Pace, the president will nominate to serve as vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. From the jungles of Southeast Asia to the streets of Mogadishu, General Pace has fought the country's fights, small and large, and demonstrated an extraordinary capacity for leadership along the way.

As a former deputy commander of U.S. forces in Japan, and as the current combatant commander of the Southern Command, General Pace brings a commander's perspective to a position that has responsibility for establishing the war-fighting requirements of the weapon systems and platforms our forces bring to the fight.

Like General Myers, General Pace is well-suited to meet the transformation challenge we face. Never before has a Marine officer served as vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Peter Pace's background, expertise and insight will fit well and complement General Myers.

Pete, we welcome you and your nomination to the Department of Defense's leadership team. Military command blends war-fighting capacity, intellectual rigor, and the willingness and ability to lead. I know of no better way to describe General Hugh Shelton, whose military service to our country is now coming to a close. Hugh has been a truly fine chairman. And I know that General Myers, as I, has benefited greatly from working so closely with General Shelton.

On behalf of our Armed Forces, I thank General Hugh Shelton for his outstanding and his courageous service, and I commend him for his professionalism.

Hugh Shelton leaves behind an institution that I know will be up to the challenges before it. In these two men, General Dick Myers and General Pete Pace, the men and women of the U.S. Armed Forces are in fine hands.

Mr. President, I thank you for all your support for the men and women of the Armed Forces, those who willingly put their lives at risk day after day so that all of the rest of our fellow citizens can go about their daily lives in peace and freedom. We thank you, sir.

I would like to ask, first General Myers to take the podium, and before I do, I'd like to have Mary Jo (ph) join us up here and be a party to this.

GEN. RICHARD MYERS, NOMINATED FOR CHAIRMAN, U.S. JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF: Thank you, Mr. President, Mrs. Bush, Secretary Rumsfeld, General Pace and Lynn (ph), ladies and gentlemen.

Eighteen months ago, I went to the Pentagon to help General Shelton, and in that time I've learned a lot. I learned about vision and leadership from watching him work. I learned about physical and moral courage from seeing his example. And I also learned about how rewarding it can be coming to work and just from being able to call him my friend.

I have, figuratively and literally, enormous shoes to fill, and Mary Jo (ph) and I are indebted to Hugh and Carolyn (ph) Shelton for their leadership.

But I knew that when I went to the Pentagon, that it was a great opportunity to serve. So today, I'm honored by the chance to continue that service. And I'm humbled, Mr. President, that you have asked me to do so, as the next chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

If confirmed, I very much look forward to remaining part of this terrific defense team, captained by a dedicated, a visionary and principled secretary of defense. And, Secretary Rumsfeld, I thank you for your vote of confidence.

Like the hardworking Americans here in the heartland of Texas, I'm ready to roll up my sleeves and eager to get back to work to building the kind of military that President Bush envisions -- one that is poised to meet current obligations and emerging threats.

As the president has said, we face tough challenges ahead and a lot of work remains. But with the help of God, my wife Mary Jo (ph), our family and our friends, along with our extended family of the hundreds of thousands of superb soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines and coastguardsmen, active and reserve, the task is less daunting.

I'm absolutely delighted to have General Pete Pace join us as vice chairman. Pete and I have worked together before and I can tell you from personal experience that Pete will bring tremendous talent, skill and leadership to the vice chairman's position.

Pete and Lynn (ph), we look forward to working closely with you again.

And I think you'll all agree that we're fortunate to have him.

It's with that larger family, our uniformed men and women along with our DOD civilian counterparts, that we'll conquer those challenges, and I look forward to doing just that. This is going to be great.

Thank you very much.

(APPLAUSE)

RUMSFELD: And now I'd like to ask General Peter Pace, the president's nominee for vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, to say a few words. And I'd like to ask his wife Lynn (ph) to join us.

GENERAL PETER PACE, NOMINEE FOR VICE CHMN., U.S. JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF: Mr. President and Mrs. Bush, Mr. Secretary, General Myers, Mary Jo (ph) -- Honey -- this is an incredibly humbling moment in my life, to be nominated by the president of the United States and the secretary of defense to be vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

I do not doubt the size of the workload that lies ahead, but I could not ask to be on a better team than one led by the gentlemen on this stage, our commander in chief, the secretary of defense, my great friend Dick Myers, his wife Mary Jo (ph), and my wife.

It's humbling, but it's also a thrilling moment, and my heart's beating in my chest right now very hard.

Mr. President, thank you for this honor, sir. Thank you for your trust and confidence in me. I promise you, sir, I will not betray that trust as we work to keep this nation the best nation in the world and to take great care of the wonderful young men and women who serve this country in uniform.

Thank you, sir.

(APPLAUSE)

QUESTION: Thank you, Mr. President. You mentioned thinking long and hard about these nominations, so I'd like to ask you about another long deliberation.

The United Nations Conference on Racism convenes in just one week. Do you want your administration represented there? If so, at what level? And are the Zionism and reparations agenda items absolutely prohibitive to any U.S. participation?

BUSH: She's referring to a conference that will be taking place in South Africa.

We have made it very clear through Colin Powell's office that we will have no representative there so long as they take on Israel; so long as they continue to say Zionism is racism. If they use the forum as a way to isolate our friend and strong ally, we will not participate.

The secretary of state is working hard to resolve that issue. We've made it very clear from the get-go. I remember explaining to President Mbeki our position. As I understand, the reparations issue has been solved, at least the last information I had was that that issue looks like it has been resolved.

But the fundamental question is whether or not Israel will be treated with respect at the conference. And if not, then we will assess prior to the beginning. So I'm not exactly sure where we stand at this moment.

I do know what our administration's position is. And the position is, we will not participate in a conference that tries to isolate Israel and denigrates Israel.

QUESTION: Participate at any level?

BUSH: That's my feeling.

QUESTION: Mr. President, following through on Israel as well -- following up on that -- today, the Israelis pushed further into Palestinian territory, attacking two houses in Hebron. So far, the peace talks that were agreed to between Peres and Arafat haven't happened. I know you say that the U.S. is engaged, but Egyptians, Palestinians are calling for more U.S. involvement.

What is it going to take for the U.S. to actually get more involved, take more action in order to help bring about peace in the Middle East?

BUSH: Well, let's start with this. In order for there to be any peace talks in the Middle East, the first thing that must happen is that both parties must resolve to stop violence. The Israelis have made it very clear that they will not negotiate under terrorist threat.

And if Mr. Arafat is interested in having a dialogue that could conceivably lead to the Mitchell process, then I strongly urge him to urge the terrorists, the Palestinian terrorists, to stop the suicide bombings, to stop the incursions, to stop the threats. At the same time, we've worked very closely with Prime Minister Sharon to urge him to show restraint.

Terrorism is prevalent now in the Middle East, and the first thing that all parties who are concerned about peace in the Middle East must do is work to stop the terrorist activities. The Israelis will not negotiate under terrorist threat; it's as simple as that.

And if the Palestinians are interested in a dialogue, then I strongly urge Mr. Arafat to put 100 percent effort into solving the terrorist activity, into stopping the terrorist activity. And I believe he can do a better job of doing that.

Go ahead. Follow-up, yes?

QUESTION: Then what's your reaction to the fact that the Israelis are moving into Palestinian territory again?

BUSH: My reaction is, is that I would hope the Israelis would show restraint on all fronts. And we continue to urge restraint with both parties. We're constantly in dialogue. It requires two willing participants. People have got to make up their mind this is what they want to have happen in order for there to be the beginnings of peace discussions.

We've got a framework for a peaceful resolution. It's called the Mitchell plan. And our administration, as have most of the world, embraced the Mitchell plan. But in order to get to Mitchell, it requires there to be a cessation of terrorist activity. If not a cessation, a 100 percent effort to get to a cessation. And we haven't seen that 100 percent effort yet.

And if what you're asking me is, do we hear the Palestinians' call for discussions, of course we do. But my attitude is, if they are that interested in peaceful dialogue, they ought to do everything they can to stop the terrorist activity that has accelerated in recent months.

And we will see whether or not the will is there.

QUESTION: How realistic is it for you to expect Congress to move forward with your defense priorities when there's so little money in the budget outside of Social Security? And is it perhaps naive to expect Congress to just roll over and abandon their priorities?

BUSH: Yes, well, I would hope that a congressional priority is strong national defense. And it will be very interesting to kind of get a feel for the congressional priorities this fall. And one of the early tests will be to see whether or not the leadership will give us a defense number early in the process. That's what I've asked the Congress to do. I did so in Independence, Missouri. I repeat it today. And we hear a lot of dialogue on the Hill about the importance of national defense. If that's the case, give us a number at the beginning of the process, not at the end of the process. Let us know whether defense -- I think it's realistic to ask Congress to prioritize national defense and education. We've done so.

The budget that Mitch Daniels outlined clearly shows that we've got the monies available for a good, strong national defense. Now, I readily concede, if Congress goes off on a spending spree in other areas, it's going to create competition for defense dollars. And my point is going to be to the members of the United States Congress and their constituents that national defense ought to be a funding priority, and I expect it to be. I expect it to be in '01, '02 and '03.

QUESTION: So you're using a veto threat as the way of bringing a hard line...

BUSH: Well, my first -- wait, you put the word "veto" in my mouth. I have said that I will work for fiscal sanity in Washington, D.C. And one way for a president to affect the fiscal condition of our government is to express displeasure when certain budgets get busted.

And so far we haven't had that. And that's why I praised Senator Byrd and Congressman Young. We've had a couple of supplementals. And as the Washington watchers will tell you, the supplementals have been restrained, they've been within the budget guidelines, and I appreciate that very much. There has been some fiscal sanity thus far. Hopefully -- you know, I'm optimistic there will continue to be some fiscal sanity in Washington. But we'll find out.

And there's going to be a battle. There's always a battle over whether defense is getting too much or not enough. Our position is it's been underfunded, and we expect Congress to respond. And our job, as well, is to present a coherent strategy as to why, why there ought to be more money. And that's what the secretary's here to discuss with me in Crawford today.

You know, there's a lot of discussion about transformation. Transformation isn't one document, it's not a moment in time, it is a strategy, and it starts with assessing the true threats facing America today and in the future, and then we size our forces depending upon the threats that face the country. And those are the dialogues we're now having.

And one of the jobs of Dick, should he be confirmed, is to make sure the Congress understands why our force size -- why we are asking for monies for certain force sizes and how it relates to keeping the national security of the country in the long term, as well as today.

QUESTION: Mr. President, to follow up on that, the administration's budget projections show these fairly thin surpluses outside of Social Security for the next several years. And the budget that you've been discussing, of course, does not include missile defense, does not include a number of the conventional weapons transformations that your team that you've introduced here today is going to be working on.

Would it be reasonable to dip into Social Security and into the Social Security funds to pay for missile defense and to pay for this military transformation? Or is there any other contingency you can imagine that would make it worthwhile to go into the Social Security funds?

BUSH: Well, I've said that the only reason we should use Social Security funds is in case of an economic recession or war. Secondly, our budget does call for missile defense expenditures. If I'm not mistaken, I think it's to the tune of $8 billion. And you might recall, as we left town, there were some members of the United States' Congress saying that that was way too much expenditure on a missile defense program and they would like to divert that money to other programs, some within the defense budget, some outside the defense budget.

And so, we do make -- and we've also increased research and development by a significant amount of money.

But I think the thing that's important to know is that Secretary Rumsfeld is taking a long look, addressing -- assessing all the threats or the perceived threats that could face our country and how we address those threats.

One of the threats that faces America is the threat of blackmail as a result of some rogue nation having a weapon of mass destruction. And that not only is a threat to our own land, it's also a threat to a forward-thinking foreign policy.

Take, for example, you know, some nation in the Middle Eastern area developing a weapon of mass destruction and then threatening the United States if we were to move troops into an area to protect an ally.

So in other words, the ability to have a weapon of mass destruction not only affects our people living in America, because some of these weapons have now got longer ranges than ever anticipated, but it also affects our foreign policy. It could be used as an attempt to isolate America, and we're not going to let that happen.

And so, one of the things you'll hear us talk about is the need to develop an effective missile defense system. And we do have money in the budget for that. And there's going to be an interesting dialogue over whether it's too much. We're going to stand our ground and say the $8 billion -- I believe it's $8 billion, if I'm not mistaken -- is the right amount of money.

And you'll see, as well, as you look at other parts of the defense budget request, particularly the '02, and then the add-on '03, which we haven't laid out yet, there's a lot of money for research and development, which is absolutely necessary.

And one of the reasons Dick Myers is the chairman of the Joint Chiefs nominee is because he's had a lot of experience in space, for example. It's an area that we need to explore and know more about. He's had a lot of experience when it comes to the leading edge of technology that is becoming more and more prevalent in our military.

And our budget reflects the need to fully explore and, at the same time, make sure that today's military can fulfill the missions. And it's a balancing act and I fully recognize it's one, but our budget does reflect that. QUESTION: Mr. President, looking ahead to those budget fights down the road, though, in '02 and '03, when you will, undoubtedly, be asking for more money for missile defense, many question your economic assumptions, more mixed signals today -- durable good orders down, home sales up. People question whether your 3.2 percent forecast for growth next year, even many economists who are allied with your administration say they think that's too overly optimistic. On what do you base it?

BUSH: Well, I think -- sorry, I miss Daniel in here to lay out all the forecasts that led to our assumption.

And we're right in the middle, as I understand. We've picked a number that seemed reasonable. But the facts are, our economy has slowed down. We had an anemic 1 percent growth over the last 12 months, and that affected tax revenues.

And our administration, instead of wringing our hands, put in place a fiscal stimulus package that was the first real tax cut in a generation. And we believe it's going to have a positive effect on our economy.

No question, the economy has slowed down. And therefore, Congress must adjust its spending attitudes. The surest way to make sure that the recovery doesn't happen in a meaningful period of time or a reasonable period of time is to overspend.

So my message to the Congress is, I'm proud of your vote for tax relief. It was the right thing to do because it responded to economic circumstances that our nation now faces. But don't go hog wild. I mean, appropriators appropriate. Don't overspend. And one of my jobs as the president is to make sure we keep fiscal sanity in the budget.

QUESTION: If you're off by just a point or two, (OFF-MIKE) billions and billions short.

BUSH: Well, if I'm off by a point or two, then Congress can adjust their sights. You see, I'm glad that Congress finally, for the first time in a long period of time, has said we're not going to spend Social Security except on emergencies. That wasn't the case up until this administration. It's a useful part of the dialogue if you believe in fiscal sanity in Washington, D.C. It sets some important parameters.

So we have the tax relief plan, which is important for fiscal stimulus, coupled with Social Security being off-limits except for emergency. That now provides a new kind of fiscal straitjacket for Congress. And that's good for the taxpayers.

And it's incredibly positive news if you're worried about a federal government that has been growing at a dramatic pace over the past eight years, and it has been. Listen, the '02 budget we submitted has discretionary spending growing by 6 percent. That's a pretty significant number. Certainly not as much as some of the appropriators would like to see in Washington, D.C., but we think it's a nice, balanced number. It's one that will help meet the needs, and at the same time not overspend and therefore affect economic growth.

Of course, the other side of things is if the economy gets back to where it was growing, Washington, D.C. could conceivably be awash in money. And so there's leverage on both sides.

QUESTION: Sir, on stem cells, you said that these 60 stem cell lines can be experimented on. It now turns out they've been mixed in the laboratory with mice cells under FDA guidelines. Apparently, they could have no practical effect. Did you know that when you made this decision -- these possibly couldn't be used?

BUSH: Here's what I knew. I knew that I sat down with the NIH experts, the people who were charged by our federal government to follow the research opportunities on all fronts. And they feel like the existing stem cell lines are ample to be able to determine whether or not embryonic stem cell research can yield the results necessary to save lives. This is their opinion.

And I can think of no better opinion on which to base my judgment. And so, I haven't changed my opinion in the least.

As a matter of fact, I read some comments today where the NIH scientists again confirmed that we've got enough existing stem cell lines to do the research necessary to determine whether or not the promise of embryonic stem cells will be met.

QUESTION: (OFF-MIKE)

BUSH: The NIH came into the Oval Office, and they looked me right in the eye, and they said, we think there is ample stem cell lines to determine whether or not this embryonic stem cell research will work or not. And I appreciated their candor, and I appreciated their advice.

Root (ph), good to see you, my boy.

QUESTION: Sir, you talked about the need to...

BUSH: How are you?

QUESTION: Doing good, I'm good.

BUSH: Used to cover me as governor.

QUESTION: You talked about...

BUSH: Fine lad, fine lad.

(LAUGHTER)

QUESTION: You talked about the need to maintain technological...

BUSH: A little short on hair, but a fine lad.

(LAUGHTER)

QUESTION: I am losing some hair.

You talked about the need to maintain technological superiority. Given some of its well-known problems, do you think that part of that would include the V-22? And do you think, given some of the budget problems that have been discussed, that it compromises, maybe, your ability to go forward with the V-22, the F-22 and the Joint Strike Fighter?

BUSH: Root (ph) represents Fort Worth.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I never would have guessed!

(LAUGHTER)

BUSH: The secretary and both the civilians who work with him and the military who works for him are charged with not only assessing the threats that will face us, but then will be -- are charged with not only designing a force structure to meet those threats, as well as the capital expenditures necessary to meet them.

There is no question that we probably cannot afford every weapon system that is now on -- that's being designed or thought about. And you should ask the secretary this question, if you care to, because he is going to bring to my desk in a reasonable period of time what the Pentagon recommendations are as to what weapon systems should go forward and which should not.

One of the things that happens inside the Pentagon is people are encouraged to think, you know, outside the box, so to speak, and to help design systems that could or could not affect security in the long term. And there are many good ideas.

But this administration is going to have to winnow them down. We can't afford every single thing that has been contemplated. And when we make decisions, they will fit into a strategic plan. And we need one. And there's going to be one. And it's coming this fall, starting with the -- as the secretary will talk about.

QUESTION: I'll take you up on your invitation to ask that...

BUSH: I'm on a roll here.

QUESTION: Good morning, sir.

BUSH: This is where it'll give me a little time to think of the answers.

QUESTION: You've talked about limits on spending. If your wish came true, that the federal budget is once again awash in money, what would your priorities be? Where would you like to...

BUSH: Education, defense and making sure the taxpayers had ample money to make choices for themselves.

You know, I think one of the things we've got to recognize is that our government should fund priorities, but we've always got to remember where the money came from.

And I can't tell you how proud I am to be traveling around the country and people walk up and say, "Thanks for the $600." Now, there are some cynics who say $600 doesn't mean anything to a working family in America. That's not what I hear. I hear it means a lot to people.

So, if we're awash, and, you know, I think our economy has got very strong underpinnings, that we're certainly going through a correction, but there are some signs that we're improving, and some signs, as John (ph) accurately noted, are still show that there's an anchor on economic growth. But I believe we'll be back and be robust. And when we are, then we'll deal with the budget.

And in the meantime -- in the meantime, however, it's important for Congress and the appropriators to realize there's not as much money around Washington as there used to be.

And therefore, they need to readjust their sights. And our priorities are going to be educating our children and national defense. Those are our priorities, and I hope a lot of Congress comes with me on that.

QUESTION: Are you implying that another tax cut might be in the works?

BUSH: No, I'm not implying. I'm saying that -- I think you were implying we might be awash with money, and I hope we are. I think we've got a very strong economy. Let me say we've got a strong economic potential. We could have a very strong economy again. I think I'm going to get trade promotion authority, which should help. This tax cut will help. Monetary policy should help.

And when we get economic growth going again, after the correction in some of our sectors like the high-tech sector, we may have good money. And if we do, then I want to always remember where it came from. It didn't come because of the genius of the federal government. It came because of the genius and hard work of the American people.

So let's wait until that happens. Let's just hope it happens soon.

QUESTION: Mr. President, you said yesterday that you oppose blanket amnesty for illegal immigrants from Mexico. But even if you only grant guestworker status to some illegals, doesn't that amount to rewarding illegal activity, when other immigrants are struggling to come to this country legally?

BUSH: Colin Powell and John Ashcroft are taking a hard look at our immigration policy. They're not only reviewing our policy in our own working group, they're reviewing that policy with their counterparts in Mexico. And we've had some very good dialogues. It's been a very constructive dialogue. I talked to Vicente Fox about this subject a couple of days ago, and we both agreed that the discussions thus far have been positive.

I do not believe in blanket amnesty. One of the issues that you refer to is an important issue, and that is, how do we make sure that as we facilitate willing employer hooking up with willing employee, that we don't penalize those who've been waiting in line legally? And so our deliberations are taking that into account.

And that's a far cry, however, from blanket amnesty. I strongly believe that if someone is willing to work and someone's looking for a worker and can't find anybody, we ought to facilitate the two hooking up.

And so, there are ways to make sure that people are rewarded for hard work without affecting those who have been patiently waiting in line for legal status.

QUESTION: Respectfully, sir, may I follow up and say...

BUSH: Is this a question or speech?

QUESTION: Well, how do you respond to those who say you're courting the Hispanic vote with this outreach?

BUSH: Well, I respond by saying that, first of all, I can't think of anything more important for our foreign policy in our hemisphere to have good relations with Mexico. Mexico is our neighbor, and we ought to have a neighborhood that is prosperous and peaceful. The basis for good foreign policy is to make sure your own area, your own neighborhood, is in good shape.

And I have got a great relation with the president of Mexico, symbolized by the fact that the first state dinner I'm going to have is with Vicente Fox, and it's going to happen in two weeks.

The history of the relationship between Mexico and the United States hadn't always been smooth. I mean, it'd been pretty hostile, at times. And to me, that didn't inure to our country's benefit.

We've got good relations. And one of the things we've got to do is discuss common problems. We've got problems on our border, we've got problems with drug interdiction, we've got problems with environmental issues on our border, we've got water problems and we've got immigration problems. And if we're going to have good relations with our neighbor, we ought to deal constructively with the problems. Admit there's a problem and figure out ways to deal with it.

The long-term solution, however, for immigration is for Mexico to be prosperous enough to grow a middle class where people will be able to find work at home.

And I remind people all across our country, family values do not stop at the Rio Bravo. There are people in Mexico who've got children, who worry about where they're going to get their next meal from. And they're going to come to the United States if they think they can make money here. That's a simple fact. And they're willing to walk across miles of desert to do work that some Americans won't do.

And we got to respect that, seems like to me, and treat those people with respect.

Now I get accused of being political in everything I do. I guess that's just the nature of being the president. And what I try to assure people of is I deal with problems as I see them. And if some people don't like the solution -- and some people are not. And we'll just let the chips fall where they may.

I'm going to let Rumsfeld talk to you real -- listen, I've got to go get briefed. OK, one more, one more.

QUESTION: Mr. President...

BUSH: Two more, two more. Make them quick.

(LAUGHTER)

QUESTION: You said yesterday that you had no plans to watch the interview last night with Congressman Gary Condit but...

BUSH: Yes, I followed through on that.

QUESTION: ... but that you would read about it. I was wondering if you had, and if you have any thoughts?

BUSH: Actually, I haven't read about it yet. I have been briefed upon it by Karen Hughes and Condi Rice, who watched it. And you might ask them what their opinion is.

(LAUGHTER)

I'm trying to get Condi and Karen some national exposure.

(LAUGHTER)

QUESTION: Sir, seriously, though, if I could follow-up. You've been reluctant to talk about this issue. And 23.6 million Americans watched this interview last night...

BUSH: Well, I was one who didn't.

QUESTION: There's enormous interest in it.

BUSH: There was 270-something million Americans, and I was one of the 250 who didn't watch it.

QUESTION: But do you not have an opinion?

BUSH: Did you watch it?

QUESTION: I did indeed.

BUSH: OK, good. I don't have an opinion yet on it. I do that -- I hope that the Levy prayers are answered. That's my hope. This isn't about a congressman or about a network. This is about a family who lost a daughter. And that's what I'm concerned about. And I hope that if she is alive, she's returned soon. And I pray she's alive -- that's where my heart is, and that's where concerns are on this issues.

I'm not worried about the gossip or the, you know, Washington whispers. I'm worried about a young girl's life. And so should America, be worried about a young girl's life.

QUESTION: But, sir, do think the congressman's evasiveness has impeded efforts to find her?

BUSH: I have no idea about the congressman. I'm not paying attention to the congressman. I'm paying attention to whether or not this poor girl is found, and that's what I'm interested in.

I understand how Washington works. And there's all kinds of stuff that goes on in Washington. People are saying this about somebody, they're saying that about somebody. It's a town of gossip.

And I'm not worried about the gossip, I'm worried about the facts. And there's a girl missing, and our prayers are with her parents. I have seen them on TV. I agonize for the mom and the dad.

And that's where my heart is.

Last question. No, next to last -- this is the last question, but there's two more answers.

(LAUGHTER)

QUESTION: I'll go fast.

BUSH: Mine and Rumsfeld's.

QUESTION: Thank you, sir. You've talked a lot about changing the tone in Washington, and you've had some success doing it. But lately there have been some shots across the bow -- the Democrats' ad this week on the surplus. I'm wondering if you think that the tone in Washington is changing back...

BUSH: Yes.

QUESTION: ... to the partisan bickering of the past.

BUSH: Well, it's not in Crawford.

(LAUGHTER)

It's a great tone here in Crawford. One of the great things about coming out here is that you get a sense for what people are paying attention to, and they don't really pay attention to partisan squabbling.

The truth of the matter is, I welcome the tax debate. I hope that people try to, you know, attack based upon tax relief for the American people. I think it's, you know, if you want to try to position an issue, it's a nice place to be, because the counterpoint is, "What are you going to do, raise them?" I mean, if you're against tax relief, are you then advocating you're going to raise taxes on the American people? Which would be not only an economic -- it would be really bad for our economy. But I look forward to hearing the debate: "Mr. President, I think you're wrong. We should raise taxes on the people," particularly after they just got their $600 check.

And so, I welcome the debate. But out here in Crawford, people aren't that -- you know what they're interested in? Their families, whether it's going to rain, interested in the price of fuel. They're worried about insurance rates; they're not too bad in Texas.

But that's what they're worried about. They're worried about things. They're not worried about the partisan squabbling that is going to sully the Washington scene at times.

And, frankly, I hadn't seen any of the ads. Of course, I didn't watch the show.

All right, Mr. Secretary, Jay Root (ph) asked a very penetrating question. We've forgotten what it is this far.

QUESTION: Yes, could you...

RUMSFELD: But I know the answer.

QUESTION: You know the answer.

(LAUGHTER)

I could just be glad. But let me just ask if, on the V-22, is it a viable program, or, given its problems, do you think it's just not going to survive?

RUMSFELD: Well, the issue with respect to weapon systems is that there are several things that are required by Congress. One is a presidential budget to be offered in the first part of next year. And there's a process that precedes it in every department to produce that budget that the president then pulls together.

The other is a so-called Quadrennial Defense Review, and another is the nuclear posture review.

Those are all going on. And through an iterative process with the services, the budget for the 2003 presidential budget is being built. And those kinds of decisions get made.

As the president suggested, we are balancing some risks. There are operational risks with respect to near-term threats. There are also risks of not transforming, of not modernizing the force at a rate that makes sense, or of not taking proper care of the men and women in the Armed Forces and the risks that you run then of not having the people you need to see that the United States of America can continue to contribute to peace and stability in the world.

So it's that complicated process of balancing those risks that will lead the services to come back with their recommendations, which we then will all consider and take into account in our recommendations to the president.

With respect to the specific aircraft you're talking about, we all know it's been a troubled program. It has had enormous difficulties, but it has not come to the point of a decision. And it will in the coming period of September and October.

BUSH: Thank you all very much.

FRAZIER: President Bush and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld wrapping up their comments, first about military expenditures, budget items, stem cell research. First and foremost, to explain that the president has appointed a new chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Richard Myers. He even spoke about the interview last night that Congressman Gary Condit gave. Said he hadn't watched himself, had no reaction.

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