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Bush, Aznar Hold News Conference
Aired February 22, 2003 - 13:43 ET
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FREDRICKA WHITFIELD, CNN ANCHOR: We want to now go to a pool feed of a joint press conference out of Crawford, Texas, involving President Bush and the prime minister of Spain. This is taped pool feed right now. Let's listen in.
GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDNET OF THE UNITED STATES: I visited his ranch on my first visit to Europe as the president. I'm very pleased to return the hospitality.
Spain is a strong and trusted ally. Our two nations have drawn closer than ever before in fighting terrorism across Europe and beyond. Spain has apprehended members of Al Qaida and continues to share vital information, intelligence information.
President Aznar is a strong fighter in the war against terror, and I value his advice. I respect and appreciate his leadership in the U.N., the EU and NATO, to meet the new threats of this new century.
For the Spanish people and for their leader, the cause of liberty is more than a phrase, it is a fundamental commitment expressed in resolute action. President Aznar and I agree that the future of peace depends on the disarmament of Iraq. We agree that Saddam Hussein continues to be in violation of U.N. Security Council Resolution 1441. We agree that the terms of that resolution must be fully respected.
By Resolution 1441, the Security Council has taken a clear stand, and it now faces a clear choice. With all the world watching, the Council will now show whether it means what it says.
Early next week, working with our friends and allies, we will introduce an additional Security Council resolution that will set out in clear and simple terms that Iraq is not complying with Resolution 1441.
For the record, this would not be a second resolution on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction. It would only be the latest in a long series of resolutions going back 12 years.
We will discuss this resolution with members of the Security Council and we will hear again from Chief Inspector Blix.
During these final deliberations, there is but one question for the Council to address: Is Saddam Hussein complying with Resolution 1441? That resolution did not ask for hints of progress or minor concessions. It demanded full and immediate disarmament. That, and that alone, is the issue before the Council.
We will not allow the Iraqi dictator, with a history of aggression and close ties to terrorist groups, to continue to possess or to produce weapons of mass destruction.
Our coalition draws its strength from the courage and moral clarities of leaders like President Aznar.
In times of testing, we discover who is willing to stand up for the security of free peoples and the rights of mankind.
Mr. President, you're clearly a man willing to take this stand. And I thank you for your leadership. I thank you for your friendship.
JOSE MARIA AZNAR, SPANISH PRIME MINISTER (through translator): Well, good morning. Good day to everyone.
I would firstly like to thank on behalf of my wife and for myself, I would like to thank Laura Bush and George Bush for the invitation to visit the ranch. And this is a time to work, to rest, to talk in truly marvelous surroundings.
Spain is an EU member and a non-permanent member of the U.N. Security Council. Spain is very clearly in favor of the strength of the trans-Atlantic link.
In these three extremely important dimensions, Spain is committed with an active role in contributing to an appropriate response to the threat that Saddam Hussein's regime entails for international peace and security.
We've worked very hard and with good results to forge a consensus within the European Union that it is necessary to maintain.
We share the efforts and the needs within the Security Council that the international community has to maintain to guarantee peace and security in the world.
Precisely, it is in the Security Council that the international community has laid the responsibility of maintaining peace, world peace and security. Our responsibility is precisely to work so that the Security Council can exercise its responsibilities, working in order to achieve in agreement the firm compliance of international legality.
I cannot but underline the importance of that relationship in our struggle against terrorism. We free societies are the targets of terrorists, and they must be fought unconditionally with no reservations and not being allowed to be blackmailed by them.
And we cannot be kidnapped by this fear, that we cannot be the hostages of the terrorists. And we will not be.
And allow me to say two things in this regard. Cooperation between the United States and Spain against terrorism is total. And I would like to thank President Bush for his resolve and his commitment in this regard.
And secondly, I would like to express how satisfied I am in the, again, having arrested important terrorists today in Spain, people who only think of murdering and committing crimes. Spain is a Democratic and European voice, and we know that there cannot be peace without law and that peace cannot be separate from security.
And in these international law and disarmament obligations that Saddam Hussein has been subject to for the last 12 years must be implemented, and this has to be based on the will and everyone's commitment and our capacity to do so.
We have expressly reaffirmed Resolution 1441 and the usefulness of the military capabilities deployed in order to achieve Saddam's disarmament. We are committed to peace, and peace is our horizon.
But if we are unable to combat aggressive dictators, tyrannic regimes, this is something that endangers the very existence of the international peace and harmony. And if we are incapable of guaranteeing this peace, international peace would become a senseless rhetoric. And we honestly do not want to get into rhetoric when we're speaking of international order, weapons of mass destruction, terrorist groups, lives in danger, or threats that we have to confront.
Thus, my position in my talks with President Bush can be summarized as follows: Firstly, we are ready to fight together against weapons of mass destruction and terrorism, that is for a world peace and for safe world.
And we are working in order that the U.N. Security Council, in its role based on the U.N. charter, may work toward peace and security in the world through a new resolution that has the greatest support and majority support.
Our aim is for Iraq to disarm and for Saddam to comply with his obligations.
And international legality has to be credible, and we have to strengthen our efforts. We have to continue with our pressure on Saddam Hussein and do all of this in unity and in agreement within the framework of the Security Council.
Of course, time is not indefinite. We don't have much time.
And lastly, as I already talked about with President Bush, we have to work towards peace and security in the region. And this requires quick action on our part to solve the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. And that's an area where we're also ready and willing to work jointly.
BUSH: Thank you, thank you.
We'll answer two questions a side, starting with Tom.
QUESTION: Mr. President, you need nine votes in the Security Council and no vetoes. And yet, as of this point, only four countries have spoken up in favor of moving forward, and no minds seem to have been changed.
Are you ready to move ahead now with this new resolution even if you don't have the votes to pass it?
And to the prime minister, President Aznar, you have been making many calls yourself to world leaders and members of the Security Council. Have you been able to change anyone's mind? And if not, why not?
BUSH: There's not even a resolution put on the table yet. There will be one soon, and so the people will be able to see what they're asked to vote on.
We just got off a phone call with Tony Blair and Silvio Berlusconi. It was a four-way conversation to talk about the resolution and the strategy.
This discussion sounds vaguely familiar. I think I remember getting asked the same questions prior to the last resolution, the Resolution 1441 that passed 15 to zero, where the Security Council said with a unanimous voice, "Saddam must disarm."
He hasn't disarmed. And so the clarity of vision that took place four months ago I'm confident will be in place after the Security Council takes a good look at the facts. And so we're just beginning, is my point.
AZNAR (through translator): I hear many messages on unilateral actions. But what I must say is that President Bush, the U.S. government and all of the allies are all working together in the framework of the United Nations. And that's how Resolution 1441 came out, and that's how the new resolution we're working on has to come out.
It's difficult to ask for an agreement on something that doesn't exist yet. We'll ask for people's agreement when it does exist. We hope it's soon, we hope it's good, and we hope it assembles the greatest possible supporters.
Because what we cannot forget is that our aim is disarmament and to avoid the threat that weapons of mass destruction, possibly used by Saddam Hussein, the threat that this poses to the world.
QUESTION (through translator): My question is for the Spanish president of the government. Regarding this new proposal for a new resolution, we know it will bear the seal of the United States and of Great Britain, but will it also bear the Spanish seal? Will Spain be considered -- or will it be a co-author of that resolution?
AZNAR (through translator): Well, we're working on it, and we devoted some time last night and this morning to precisely that. And what we want it to be is as clear as possible and that it has as many possible supporters in the Security Council. And as I said, our commitment is a very active commitment, and it's also very active in supporting this resolution. We know very much and very well what we're handling here and what's at stake. And what we want for the world is peace and security, and that's what we're working for with our best will in order not to be submitted to blackmail of any kind.
We're not thinking of our comfort, but of our responsibility. We want peace, freedom and prosperity for all.
QUESTION: It took almost two months to get Resolution 1441 out of the Security Council. Are you willing to wait that long this time? And is this the really last chance for the United Nations to prove its relevancy?
BUSH: Yes, last chance. As the president said, time is short. And this is a chance for the Security Council to show its relevance. And I believe the Security Council will show its relevance. Because Saddam Hussein has not disarmed.
AZNAR (through translator): What I want to say is that if Resolution 1441 states that it's Saddam's last opportunity, that means that time cannot be long, because the last opportunity has already been given to him.
What we have to verify now is whether he has disarmed or not. If we now said the time was infinite, it would be a laugh. It would be very difficult for anyone to take us seriously, beginning with the United Nations. That would be the worst possible message we could send for peace.
QUESTION (through translator): My question is addressed to both presidents. I would like to know whether in your proposed resolution, you are going to be talking about the Al-Missud (ph) long-range missiles and whether you are going to be -- because Iraq has today mentioned that it was ready to start destroying them -- and whether in your resolution you're going to be speaking about an ultimatum, a deadline, or a threat for the use of force? What do you think this is going to be? What are you going to contain?
BUSH: We're in the process of discussing the language. If Iraq decides to destroy the weapons that were long-range weapons, that's just the tip of the iceberg. My question is why don't they destroy ever weapon, illegal weapon?
Saddam Hussein wants time. And after all, he thinks he'll get time because he's done so for -- he has deceived the world for 12 years. He'll play like he's going to disarm. He has no intention of disarming. Otherwise, he would have done so. He'll say words that encourage -- that sound encouraging. He's done so for 12 years.
And so the idea of destroying a rocket or two rockets or however many he's going to destroy says to me that he's got a lot more weapons to destroy, and why hasn't he destroyed them yet.
In terms of language, that's exactly why we -- that's exactly why Jose Maria and I are talking. And we'll let you know what's in the resolution when we put it down.
AZNAR (through translator): Well, what I want to say is that we cannot designate Saddam Hussein as the manager of international peace and security. We've been with this item on the agenda for 12 years.
And what we cannot do is play this game in which inspectors are handed over something, everything is going well, but if it isn't, well, that means they're hiding weapons.
So the world can make these mistakes, but the mistake we cannot make is to let Saddam Hussein be the one managing peace and threat.
And that's why we're working so intensely toward a new resolution. And that's why I'm convinced, and that's why we're all working toward these common aspirations of peace, security and freedom for the world.
BUSH: Good job.
Thank you.
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Aired February 22, 2003 - 13:43 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
FREDRICKA WHITFIELD, CNN ANCHOR: We want to now go to a pool feed of a joint press conference out of Crawford, Texas, involving President Bush and the prime minister of Spain. This is taped pool feed right now. Let's listen in.
GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDNET OF THE UNITED STATES: I visited his ranch on my first visit to Europe as the president. I'm very pleased to return the hospitality.
Spain is a strong and trusted ally. Our two nations have drawn closer than ever before in fighting terrorism across Europe and beyond. Spain has apprehended members of Al Qaida and continues to share vital information, intelligence information.
President Aznar is a strong fighter in the war against terror, and I value his advice. I respect and appreciate his leadership in the U.N., the EU and NATO, to meet the new threats of this new century.
For the Spanish people and for their leader, the cause of liberty is more than a phrase, it is a fundamental commitment expressed in resolute action. President Aznar and I agree that the future of peace depends on the disarmament of Iraq. We agree that Saddam Hussein continues to be in violation of U.N. Security Council Resolution 1441. We agree that the terms of that resolution must be fully respected.
By Resolution 1441, the Security Council has taken a clear stand, and it now faces a clear choice. With all the world watching, the Council will now show whether it means what it says.
Early next week, working with our friends and allies, we will introduce an additional Security Council resolution that will set out in clear and simple terms that Iraq is not complying with Resolution 1441.
For the record, this would not be a second resolution on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction. It would only be the latest in a long series of resolutions going back 12 years.
We will discuss this resolution with members of the Security Council and we will hear again from Chief Inspector Blix.
During these final deliberations, there is but one question for the Council to address: Is Saddam Hussein complying with Resolution 1441? That resolution did not ask for hints of progress or minor concessions. It demanded full and immediate disarmament. That, and that alone, is the issue before the Council.
We will not allow the Iraqi dictator, with a history of aggression and close ties to terrorist groups, to continue to possess or to produce weapons of mass destruction.
Our coalition draws its strength from the courage and moral clarities of leaders like President Aznar.
In times of testing, we discover who is willing to stand up for the security of free peoples and the rights of mankind.
Mr. President, you're clearly a man willing to take this stand. And I thank you for your leadership. I thank you for your friendship.
JOSE MARIA AZNAR, SPANISH PRIME MINISTER (through translator): Well, good morning. Good day to everyone.
I would firstly like to thank on behalf of my wife and for myself, I would like to thank Laura Bush and George Bush for the invitation to visit the ranch. And this is a time to work, to rest, to talk in truly marvelous surroundings.
Spain is an EU member and a non-permanent member of the U.N. Security Council. Spain is very clearly in favor of the strength of the trans-Atlantic link.
In these three extremely important dimensions, Spain is committed with an active role in contributing to an appropriate response to the threat that Saddam Hussein's regime entails for international peace and security.
We've worked very hard and with good results to forge a consensus within the European Union that it is necessary to maintain.
We share the efforts and the needs within the Security Council that the international community has to maintain to guarantee peace and security in the world.
Precisely, it is in the Security Council that the international community has laid the responsibility of maintaining peace, world peace and security. Our responsibility is precisely to work so that the Security Council can exercise its responsibilities, working in order to achieve in agreement the firm compliance of international legality.
I cannot but underline the importance of that relationship in our struggle against terrorism. We free societies are the targets of terrorists, and they must be fought unconditionally with no reservations and not being allowed to be blackmailed by them.
And we cannot be kidnapped by this fear, that we cannot be the hostages of the terrorists. And we will not be.
And allow me to say two things in this regard. Cooperation between the United States and Spain against terrorism is total. And I would like to thank President Bush for his resolve and his commitment in this regard.
And secondly, I would like to express how satisfied I am in the, again, having arrested important terrorists today in Spain, people who only think of murdering and committing crimes. Spain is a Democratic and European voice, and we know that there cannot be peace without law and that peace cannot be separate from security.
And in these international law and disarmament obligations that Saddam Hussein has been subject to for the last 12 years must be implemented, and this has to be based on the will and everyone's commitment and our capacity to do so.
We have expressly reaffirmed Resolution 1441 and the usefulness of the military capabilities deployed in order to achieve Saddam's disarmament. We are committed to peace, and peace is our horizon.
But if we are unable to combat aggressive dictators, tyrannic regimes, this is something that endangers the very existence of the international peace and harmony. And if we are incapable of guaranteeing this peace, international peace would become a senseless rhetoric. And we honestly do not want to get into rhetoric when we're speaking of international order, weapons of mass destruction, terrorist groups, lives in danger, or threats that we have to confront.
Thus, my position in my talks with President Bush can be summarized as follows: Firstly, we are ready to fight together against weapons of mass destruction and terrorism, that is for a world peace and for safe world.
And we are working in order that the U.N. Security Council, in its role based on the U.N. charter, may work toward peace and security in the world through a new resolution that has the greatest support and majority support.
Our aim is for Iraq to disarm and for Saddam to comply with his obligations.
And international legality has to be credible, and we have to strengthen our efforts. We have to continue with our pressure on Saddam Hussein and do all of this in unity and in agreement within the framework of the Security Council.
Of course, time is not indefinite. We don't have much time.
And lastly, as I already talked about with President Bush, we have to work towards peace and security in the region. And this requires quick action on our part to solve the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. And that's an area where we're also ready and willing to work jointly.
BUSH: Thank you, thank you.
We'll answer two questions a side, starting with Tom.
QUESTION: Mr. President, you need nine votes in the Security Council and no vetoes. And yet, as of this point, only four countries have spoken up in favor of moving forward, and no minds seem to have been changed.
Are you ready to move ahead now with this new resolution even if you don't have the votes to pass it?
And to the prime minister, President Aznar, you have been making many calls yourself to world leaders and members of the Security Council. Have you been able to change anyone's mind? And if not, why not?
BUSH: There's not even a resolution put on the table yet. There will be one soon, and so the people will be able to see what they're asked to vote on.
We just got off a phone call with Tony Blair and Silvio Berlusconi. It was a four-way conversation to talk about the resolution and the strategy.
This discussion sounds vaguely familiar. I think I remember getting asked the same questions prior to the last resolution, the Resolution 1441 that passed 15 to zero, where the Security Council said with a unanimous voice, "Saddam must disarm."
He hasn't disarmed. And so the clarity of vision that took place four months ago I'm confident will be in place after the Security Council takes a good look at the facts. And so we're just beginning, is my point.
AZNAR (through translator): I hear many messages on unilateral actions. But what I must say is that President Bush, the U.S. government and all of the allies are all working together in the framework of the United Nations. And that's how Resolution 1441 came out, and that's how the new resolution we're working on has to come out.
It's difficult to ask for an agreement on something that doesn't exist yet. We'll ask for people's agreement when it does exist. We hope it's soon, we hope it's good, and we hope it assembles the greatest possible supporters.
Because what we cannot forget is that our aim is disarmament and to avoid the threat that weapons of mass destruction, possibly used by Saddam Hussein, the threat that this poses to the world.
QUESTION (through translator): My question is for the Spanish president of the government. Regarding this new proposal for a new resolution, we know it will bear the seal of the United States and of Great Britain, but will it also bear the Spanish seal? Will Spain be considered -- or will it be a co-author of that resolution?
AZNAR (through translator): Well, we're working on it, and we devoted some time last night and this morning to precisely that. And what we want it to be is as clear as possible and that it has as many possible supporters in the Security Council. And as I said, our commitment is a very active commitment, and it's also very active in supporting this resolution. We know very much and very well what we're handling here and what's at stake. And what we want for the world is peace and security, and that's what we're working for with our best will in order not to be submitted to blackmail of any kind.
We're not thinking of our comfort, but of our responsibility. We want peace, freedom and prosperity for all.
QUESTION: It took almost two months to get Resolution 1441 out of the Security Council. Are you willing to wait that long this time? And is this the really last chance for the United Nations to prove its relevancy?
BUSH: Yes, last chance. As the president said, time is short. And this is a chance for the Security Council to show its relevance. And I believe the Security Council will show its relevance. Because Saddam Hussein has not disarmed.
AZNAR (through translator): What I want to say is that if Resolution 1441 states that it's Saddam's last opportunity, that means that time cannot be long, because the last opportunity has already been given to him.
What we have to verify now is whether he has disarmed or not. If we now said the time was infinite, it would be a laugh. It would be very difficult for anyone to take us seriously, beginning with the United Nations. That would be the worst possible message we could send for peace.
QUESTION (through translator): My question is addressed to both presidents. I would like to know whether in your proposed resolution, you are going to be talking about the Al-Missud (ph) long-range missiles and whether you are going to be -- because Iraq has today mentioned that it was ready to start destroying them -- and whether in your resolution you're going to be speaking about an ultimatum, a deadline, or a threat for the use of force? What do you think this is going to be? What are you going to contain?
BUSH: We're in the process of discussing the language. If Iraq decides to destroy the weapons that were long-range weapons, that's just the tip of the iceberg. My question is why don't they destroy ever weapon, illegal weapon?
Saddam Hussein wants time. And after all, he thinks he'll get time because he's done so for -- he has deceived the world for 12 years. He'll play like he's going to disarm. He has no intention of disarming. Otherwise, he would have done so. He'll say words that encourage -- that sound encouraging. He's done so for 12 years.
And so the idea of destroying a rocket or two rockets or however many he's going to destroy says to me that he's got a lot more weapons to destroy, and why hasn't he destroyed them yet.
In terms of language, that's exactly why we -- that's exactly why Jose Maria and I are talking. And we'll let you know what's in the resolution when we put it down.
AZNAR (through translator): Well, what I want to say is that we cannot designate Saddam Hussein as the manager of international peace and security. We've been with this item on the agenda for 12 years.
And what we cannot do is play this game in which inspectors are handed over something, everything is going well, but if it isn't, well, that means they're hiding weapons.
So the world can make these mistakes, but the mistake we cannot make is to let Saddam Hussein be the one managing peace and threat.
And that's why we're working so intensely toward a new resolution. And that's why I'm convinced, and that's why we're all working toward these common aspirations of peace, security and freedom for the world.
BUSH: Good job.
Thank you.
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