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Aired May 09, 2024 - 09:30   ET

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JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: Fifteen seconds, Jen. In redirect with Stormy Daniels, what does the prosecution want to clean up?

JENNIFER RODGERS, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: I think they want to clean up the motive around this money that she owes him with the lawsuit. That was a little bit muddy. And then otherwise, just again, that she's been consistent over time in what she said about him, and he's attacked her as much as she's attacked him. They may bring out some of those horse face tweets.

BERMAN: All right, Jennifer Rodgers, Jim Schultz, great to see both of you.

Now that is all for us. This has been CNN NEWS CENTRAL.

CNN's special live coverage of the criminal trial of Donald Trump picks up right now.

ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: A live look at the Manhattan courthouse behind me where soon the jury will hear again from marquee witness Stormy Daniels.

Moments ago the former president of the United States heading into court where he will listen to testimony from the adult film star. It comes as his lawyers are adopting a new mission, restore his reputation by attacking her credibility.

I'm Anderson Cooper, live from New York. And this is CNN's special live coverage of Donald Trump's hush money trial.

JIM ACOSTA, CNN ANCHOR: And I'm Jim Acosta in Washington.

Today, court resumes with cross-examination. We're told to expect Stormy Daniels to be on the witness stand with a while still to go. That's a giant change in the Trump plan. His legal team initially saw her as a witness who would be a wash, neither helping nor hurting the people's case against Donald Trump. Now sources familiar with the former president's legal strategy say Trump's lawyers are asking additional questions. Questions that the former president feels are necessary, he thinks, to protect his reputation after the adult film actress suggested repeatedly that their alleged tryst in Lake Tahoe was not consensual.

CNN's reporters and analysts are covering every angle of the historic criminal trial of the former president.

Anderson, the former president was just teeing up some of what we might be seeing todays, saying that he thinks there'll be some revealing items coming out in the cross-examination.

Back to you, Anderson.

COOPER: Yes, this will be a cross-examination by Trump's attorneys of Stormy Daniels. CNN's Paula Reid and Kaitlan Collins join me here in New York.

We got a glimpse of the cross-examining starting last Tuesday. Court was not in session yesterday. They're going to pick up again. What do you expect?

PAULA REID, CNN CHIEF LEGAL AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT: So, we saw on Tuesday how they got her to admit that she hates Trump, that she would be happy if he went to jail. The --

COOPER: By the way, it wasn't tough to get them to have her admit that.

REID: Yes, exactly. Is this your tweet calling him an orange turd? I mean, that's effectively what it was. I really undercut, you know, her credibility. But this case does not rise and fall on the testimony of Stormy Daniels.

What we're going to see today, remember they had no court yesterday, is they had time to really reflect and prepare. We're going to see some questions that go to this issue of consent and things that she may have said that they believe could harm Trumps reputation. In the past she has never suggested that this was not a consensual encounter. But during her testimony, she kind of raised that possibility without directly saying it.

Also in her recent documentary she raises the possibility that somehow this was not completely consensual. She compares it to sexual abuse that she survived as a nine-year-old. So, this is something that they were a little surprised by and they want to revisit. But the cross- examination you're going to see today, it's not necessarily material to the case, right. She can't speak to the actual charges at the heart of this. Instead, this is sort of focused on the clients and reputational repair.

Now, Daniels has walked to the witness stand. Trump did not glance over at her table. But we do expect that she will probably wrap up at some point today. But this is going to go a little bit longer than it would have had she testified differently.

KAITLAN COLLINS, CNN ANCHOR: Yes, but I don't think it's going to go that long because Trump's team feels like they did a pretty effective job on Tuesday. I think Trump would certainly like to see it go on for much longer. He enjoyed watching his attorney try to undermine her credibility and say that -- that she basically was trying to extort him. I do think they'll try to undermine her credibility on the account of

when she -- the night that she met Donald Trump and what that looked like, as compared to what she said in the past, the way she described it. You know, they were uncomfortable with how she talked about, you know, the bodyguard, Keith Schiller, being outside. Her use of the word blacking out, though she was clear she wasn't drinking or under the influence of drugs.

COOPER: By the way, Trump looked toward Daniels as she walked past him to the witness stand.

COLLINS: Yes, and, of course, she walks behind Donald Trump and his legal team. So he would have to actually look in her direction. And he was doing that on Tuesday in court. He was -- you know, he doesn't typically look at the witness for sustained periods. He's not paying very close attention always. Certainly when she was on the stand, he was. And so we'll see what that looks like.

I also think we could see Trump's team try to declare a -- ask for a mistrial again. They did that after that lunch break on Tuesday because basically arguing that what we heard from her the jury can't unhear. I do think they'll try to -- try that effort again. The judge does not seem to have an appetite for that, though.

COOPER: Yes.

The jury is now entering the courtroom. I want to quickly go to CNN's Elie Honig at the magical wall.

Elie, Stormy Daniels set to resume cross-examination.

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What are you expecting?

ELIE HONIG, CNN SENIOR LEGAL ANALYST: Yes, Anderson, as she gets ready to testify for her second day, let's go through some key takeaways from Stormy Daniels' first day testimony.

First of all, on direct examination, Stormy Daniels detailed for the jury how she met Donald Trump in 2006 at a celebrity golf tournament, and she testified she ended up having sex with him in his hotel room at a time when he was married.

Now, here's how this becomes relevant to the prosecution's charges in this case. Fast-forward ten years, October 2016, we're a month before the election, the "Access Hollywood" tape comes out. Hope Hicks testified that that caused the Trump campaign to go into a panic. While they're panicked, Stormy Daniels and her lawyer come forward with the allegations about the 2006 incident. And ultimately what happens is Michael Cohen pays Stormy Daniels $130,000 in exchange for a hush money agreement that she will not speak publicly. Cohen later is reimbursed for that payment by Donald Trump and the Trump Organization. And then, of course, we get to the election a couple weeks later. That's the key timeframe for this trial. Also during Stormy Daniels' testimony we saw some crucial documents,

including the actual hush money agreement signed by Peggy Peterson, that's an alias, a fake name that Stormy Daniels used. And then David Dennison actually not signed, but we heard testimony that that's Donald Trump.

Now, her cross-examination has already started. The very first question Donald Trump's team asked Stormy Daniels when she began her cross-examination right out of the chute, am I correct that you hate President Trump? Stormy Daniels answered straight up, yes, she does. That will be a continued theme of today's cross-examination.

The -- Trump's lawyers also confronted Stormy Daniels with some of her prior tweets, including one where she said, "I won't walk, I'll dance down the street when he is selected to go to jail." Stormy Daniels actually laughed about that in front of the jury. It didn't seem to go over well. Again, they will talk about this type of motivation during today's cross.

And, Donald Trump's team today, expect them to confront Stormy Daniels with some of her prior inconsistent statements, including a signed statement from January 2018 when she wrote, "I am not denying this affair because I was paid hush money. I am denying this affair because it never happened."

So, Anderson, watch for this continued theme on cross-examination today. They're going to try to suggest Stormy Daniels has bad motives and she's made inconsistent statements in the past.

As her testimony resumes, Anderson, we'll throw it back to you and Kaitlan and Paula to tell us what's going on in the court.

COOPER: Elie, thanks very much.

Trump's attorney, Susan Necheles, is at the podium to resume the cross-examination of Stormy Daniels.

How effective do you think she was on Tuesday?

REID: I think this was effective in undermining Stormy Daniels' credibility, generally speaking, her motives. But again, what she offers prosecutors is an account of what exactly happened allegedly between her and Trump. What was worth $130,000 between the "Access Hollywood" tape and Election Day. She cannot speak to the falsifying of business records. So, her value to the prosecutors I don't think was really undermined in the cross-examination.

But her credibility certainly was. And look, she's not the number one priority for the defense team here, right? The number one priority for this defense team, most of their energy, most of their attention is on the cross-examination of Michael Cohen. And this is the trailer, right? This is the trailer, your previous statements, your tweets, your financial incentives, this is the trailer for what we're going to see over the Cohen cross.

COOPER: Necheles begins by asking about Daniels' 2011 "E" online interview where she had said the story about her having sex with Trump was BS.

COLLINS: Well, and to give you a sense of where this is going, before the jury and the witness came into the room, Trump's attorneys were asking the judge, and the prosecutor were trying to tell the judge not to let them ask about a past arrest of Stormy Daniels, a battery arrests related to her ex-husband. It did not end in a conviction and --

COOPER: The prosecution objected and Merchan, the judge, sustains it.

COLLINS: Yes, so I -- where they're -- basically they're arguing over what -- where they can go with her. Before this even started, they wanted to ask about this arrest. The judge denied that request by the Trump team to ask about this arrest, saying that it's not essentially relevant to this case.

COOPER: Necheles put some text message on the screen between Gina Rodriguez and Dylan Howard. Dylan Howard basically in charge of "The National Enquirer" underneath David Pecker. Gina Rodriguez is a representative of Stormy Daniels.

COLLINS: And this is related to -- they were -- this is where they were at the end of their cross-examination on Tuesday. Basically, you know, she said she wasn't interested in getting her story out there for money. She wanted the story out there. She wasn't trying to get paid. These texts could undermine that potentially because they were having conversations about who essentially was offering more money.

COOPER: Trump's lawyer had begun to ask a question. The judge has asked the attorneys to approach. Todd Banche is whispering in Trump's ear while lawyers are at the bench.

Jim Acosta, let's get back to you.

ACOSTA: Yes, I think there's going to be a lot of whispering during today's testimony.

Anderson, thank you.

I'm here with Nia-Malika Henderson, Jamie Gangel, Kasie Hunt, as well as our legal experts, Laura Coates, Elie Honig, and former Manhattan district attorney, prosecutor, Karen Friedman Agnifilo. And Karen is of council for a firm that represents Michael Cohen. We should note, she has no contact with Cohen, does not work on his case, and there are no restrictions on what she can say about his case. Just a disclaimer there. We loved disclaimers. I have lots of disclaimers.

But, Elie, let me ask you about this because one of the things we were hearing earlier -- and Trump was previewing some of this during his remarks to the camera.

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He was saying, well, we're going to hear about these new details today that you hadn't heard before. I guess, you know, ever the showman putting out a tease there. HONIG: Yes.

ACOSTA: But, you know, is that wise for his defense team to sort of drag this out? I mean there's no telling what she's going to say.

HONIG: Not wise to drag it out for the sake of dragging it out.

ACOSTA: Yes.

HONIG: Lawyers do this sometimes. They think, well, some is good. More must be better. That math does not translate over to the courtroom, especially cross-examination. My view is they did a good job cross- examining her for the hour and change that they had her on the stand Tuesday. To drag this out for four more hours just to appease the client or to worry about ego or vanity or public perception to me would be a tactical mistake in the courtroom. They've got to keep with the themes, which is, she can't be trusted, she has bad motives and she's made inconsistent statements in the past. I'm not saying they'll do it that way. That's how I would do it.

ACOSTA: And, Laura, I mean, just a few moments ago the defense team was asking Stormy Daniels, were you just trying to get money out of Trump? And at this point where you just asking for money? You wanted money from President Trumps? The defense (INAUDIBLE) ask. I mean, this looks like, I mean, a pretty early attempt to just chip away at her credibility.

LAURA COATES, CNN ANCHOR AND CHIEF LEGAL ANALYST: Well, first of all, he was not yet the president of t he United States when she actually had this agreement and doing that, talking about publications is who she wanted to -- we're running out of time, she says, of asking to tell my story to publication so I can get the truth out. Remember, she thought at one point she would lose the leverage to actually get paid if he was already in office. And so that was part of this conversation.

What's interesting here is, the longer they have her on the stand, the longer the defense makes this about Stormy Daniels and the allegations of a sexual encounter. Remember, this is really about the documents.

And, of course, Necheles is now challenging Daniels that it was her choice to sign the NDA and brokered that deal with Michael Cohen through her lawyer. But interestingly enough, this is exactly where you don't want to go if you're talking about the falsified documents.

ACOSTA: Yes.

COATES: She says, you were running out of time to get money? She says, no, to get the story out. Remember, if this defense wants to focus on what the jury is going to look at, it's about whether -- not whether they had this alleged encounter, but instead about whether they falsified documents to cover up for the purpose of the election. A statement about running out of time and wanting to get out in that deadline of the election is actually quite helpful, frankly, to the prosecution to suggest that there was a timeline in store. But this is what Necheles wants to do. She wants to focus on Stormy as

a purported extortionist, that she only had money on the brain. But how does that help the overall theory of the case that suggests, look, you did not want this story to get out. You paid her as a result of it.

ACOSTA: Right.

And, Karen, I mean, to Laura's point, this is supposed to be about business records. And, you know, Stormy Daniels does not appear to be intimidated by these defense attorneys.

KAREN FRIEDMAN AGNIFILO, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: Well --

ACOSTA: She may not be saying the right things from a prosecution standpoint, but doesn't seem intimidated.

AGNIFILO: Well, we'll see how today goes.

ACOSTA: Yes.

AGNIFILO: I think today is a really important day to see how well she holds up on cross-examination. For example, there is a point about -- what she's saying that is inconsistent. She is on the one hand saying, I wanted to get my story out, but on the other hand she's selling it to get an NDA. Those two things don't make any sense whatsoever. And so that's the kind of thing that a defense attorney, a good defense attorney, is going to really hone in on. And then -- and then on summation, you're going to hear them say, what she was saying makes no sense whatsoever.

KASIE HUNT, CNN ANCHOR: What -- so can I just ask a question.

ACOSTA: Yes.

HUNT: And, Elie, I'm kind of interested in your perspective on this. If, in fact -- like, why does it actually matter what she wanted in this case, because, again, to go back to quote Mitt Romney --

HONIG: Right.

HUNT: Do you really pay $130,000 to somebody that you didn't have sex with, right?

HONIG: Yes.

HUNT: So, if that was -- if this is ultimately, at the end of the day, about Trump, and what Trump wanted to cover up or didn't, how does this impact the case?

HONIG: So, it's a great question. A lot of what's happening with Stormy Daniels I would classify as atmospherics, right? If you look at the strict elements of the crime, Laura has these on her tablet, then it's not necessarily going directly to that.

I see there's an update. Stormy Daniels said numerous people wanted to publish her story. So, they're cross-examining her now on her attempt to shop this story around.

But Stormy Daniels is still a very important witness. If the jury believes her, that's crucial to the prosecution's case, that there was this extramarital sex in 2006. If they believe Stormy Daniels is making this up, this really plays into the defense theory that this was a shakedown, that Stormy Daniels was taking advantage of a moment in time, right before the election, when she had leverage to try to extract money for herself. Wrongly, again, Stormy Daniels say, I could have had anybody published this story. So, prosecutors -- or, excuse me, Trump's defense team right now is walking her through her shopping of the story, trying to suggest, you were trying to maximize your income off of this and you were willing to tell this story, but you were also willing to sell it to stay quiet.

COATES: But even if all of that's true, even if she says, yes, I wanted to sell the story, I wanted money. You know what, I also got it. The question is not whether she does the defendant. The question is whether Donald Trump, believing that she would sell this story, was incentivized to then pay her a sum of money, not disclose it as a campaign contribution, and do so because he did not want it to come out before the election.

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You can paint her as a shakedown shyster all you want. By the end of the day, if the goal for him was, God, I've got to get rid of this person who's going to try to shake me now because I don't want to (INAUDIBLE) the election, you've got a problem.

ACOSTA: Yes.

Jamie, I mean, is attacking Stormy's credibility in this vein really going to go anywhere? I mean, of course, Stormy Daniels is about the money.

NIA-MALIKA HENDERSON, POLITICS AND POLICY COLUMNIST, "BLOOMBERG": Right.

JAMIE GANGEL, CNN SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT: So -- exactly.

ACOSTA: Yes.

GANGEL: The jury -- she wanted money.

ACOSTA: Yes.

GANGEL: I think the important details that the prosecutors -- that may stick with the jury is the following. Stormy Daniels testified that Trump didn't seem to care about his wife. He told her, we sleep in separate bedrooms. He didn't wear a condom. He didn't ask her to keep it confidential. Those things speak to the crux of the case, which is, that this was more about the election than whether he cared about his family.

HENDERSON: And, listen, I -- yes, I think the jury will remember that, and I think the public will remember it too, right? To the extent that anybody's paying attention to those sort of details, him sitting on the bed in his boxers, you know, sort of images you don't really want in your head, but I think it's the American public who are going to remember these things.

GANGEL: Right.

ACOSTA: Yes, nobody wants those images.

All right, guys, thanks to all of you. Appreciate that.

Cross-examination underway. As you can see, it's getting a little testy inside the Manhattan courtroom where Donald Trump is on trial. Stormy Daniels answering questions from Trump's attorneys. Much more inside the court straight ahead. You're watching live coverage here on CNN.

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COOPER: And welcome back to CNN's special live coverage of Donald Trump's hush money trial. I'm Anderson Cooper in New York.

Right now Trump attorneys are trying to put dents into Stormy Daniels' story. They want to show the adult film actress was interested in one thing, and one thing only, money, and that she was willing to go to any lengths to get it from the former president.

We have been listening right now. They had started to play a recording in the courtroom. The wrong recording had been played. The judge had stopped the audio. Trump is again in conversation right now with Blanche while the other attorneys are at the bench discussing with the judge what happens next. He hasn't had any noticeable reaction to the testimony so far today. Judge Juan Merchan asked to see the transcript of audio.

Paula Reid, what have we -- during the commercial break, what -- what -- they've basically been trying to just put dents in Stormy Daniels' story and apply she's in this for the money.

REID: Yes. What she offered prosecutors again is why her story was worth $130,000 in October 2016. And what they're getting at right now is her motivation, her conduct in and around that time. The case is charged as a felony because they argued Trump wanted to suppress this story to help his odds in the election. So, that is what they're getting at here. It's not going to make or break the case, but they're trying to show that she was very aggressive, even towards her own lawyer, trying to get money.

COOPER: She's saying that she wanted her story out.

REID: Yes.

COOPER: The attorney is saying, well, wait a minute, you -- you just wanted money. You want money to not tell you story or you're wanting money to tell your story. REID: Yes, because her backup plan was "Slate." She testified that she

was also talking to them, but she was not going to get paid.

COOPER: An online publication.

REID: Exactly. And she was not going to get paid though if it appeared there. So, it's a contradiction, right? She's saying, on the one hand, I wanted it out. On the one hand I was going to accept money for it to never get out.

COOPER: I want to bring in former New York supreme court judge Diane Kiesel.

I'm wondering what you make so far of Stormy Daniels as a witness.

DIANE KIESEL, FORMER NEW YORK SUPREME COURT JUDGE: Well, Stormy Daniels is a difficult witness, frankly, for both parties. Number one, she lays out there the fact that Donald Trump had a great motivation for keeping her quiet, which she -- by describing her encounter with him. But, of course, the defense has also now established that, a, she hates him, b, she was hurt financially by him, and, c, she did everything she could to monetize their encounter.

So, the key is Stormy Daniels, I think, is how either side handles her in cross-examination. If I were the defense, I would be arguing that this woman is purely vindictive. You can't believe a word she says. If I were the prosecution, I would be arguing it doesn't matter what she wanted, what her motivation was. She's not on trial here. Donald Trump is. It's what his motivation was.

So, I think good with -- with good lawyering it cuts both ways. And you've got good lawyers here.

COOPER: Does it -- does it matter if she was in this for the money, either the money to not tell her story and sign an NDA, or money to tell her story, which is what the discussion is right now.

And, by the way, in the phone call, Daniels' attorney gives Michael Cohen a heads up about the public claims Rodriguez's boyfriend was going to make to the press. It's getting a little convoluted, but essentially that they're arguing over her motivation. Does it matter her motivation?

KIESEL: Her motivation only matters to the extent I believe that it goes to her credibility. If you find that her motivation was such that he was willing to lie about her encounter with the president, then you may believe that she's lying about everything that she's testified about.

COOPER: Her attorney told that Michael Cohen in an April 4, 2018, phone call, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he comes out and says she wants -- wanted this money more than you can ever imagine, talking about this boyfriend of an associate of Stormy Daniels, Jena Rodriguez's boyfriend, and they were worried he was going to come out. Davidson saying, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if this guy comes out and says Stormy Daniels wanted this money more than you could ever imagine.

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Sorry. Just -- go ahead.

KIESEL: OK. No, that's all right.

But I agree with the panel from Washington there that, what difference does it make what she wanted, right?

And, quite frankly, you could look at it from another perspective, which is, she -- if she was this determined to monetize this contact with him, then it made it all the more important that Donald Trump shut her down before she could seriously hurt him.

Now again, the question becomes, why does he want to shut her down? Is it because -- is it because he's worried about his family, or is it because he's worried he's not going to get elected. That, of course, remains to be seen as to what the jury believes his reason was, if they believe that's what he was trying to do, as opposed to Michael Cohen acting as, you know, on his own to assist his -- his boss.

COOPER: Yes. Stormy Daniels has -- has pushed back on this idea that she had yelled at her attorney, Keith Davidson, and to push him. She said she never yelled at him. She's basically challenging the veracity of what Keith Davidson, in this recorded phone call, is telling Michael Cohen. She's saying, it sounds like Keith Davidson has sort of made this up in order to threaten Michael Cohen and pressure him.

Trump is leaning forward, looking at the document on the screen in front of him. The document is the Daniels' settlement agreement from 2016 that Trump's attorney, Necheles, has put up on the screen. So, Trump's now leaning forward, looking at the settlement agreement on the screen in front of him.

Judge, how long -- I mean to your point, this doesn't really get to the underlying alleged crime here. How long do you think -- how much detail do you think they really are going to try to go into with Stormy Daniels? Do you think they are going to go back to some of her testimony about the alleged sexual encounter?

KIESEL: Well, they can try if that's what they think will assist their case, but I think it could hurt get their case because there's a concept as all of the lawyers who are with you know of what we call opening the door. They could be opening the door to, on redirect, a lot more detail about this encounter than the judge initially allowed them to bring in.

You know, there's a concept in the law, don't let your client be the lawyer. And there's a part of me that wonders how much of this cross- examination is now being fueled by the client. Ad I think that's a -- that's a difficult thing for lawyers who have a difficult client.

And there's also a judicial perspective here. How long is Judge Merchan going to let this go on. You know, we're already on day 14. The longer trial goes, the more things that can go wrong. You know, a juror can have a kidney stone. Somebody's father could get ill. You know, there are all kinds of things that could throw a monkey wrench into this. And we know that the judge wants to move this along.

COOPER: Judge Diane Kiesel, I really appreciate your perspective, former New York supreme court judge. Thank you so much.

KIESEL: Thank you.

COOPER: The parties are agreeing that this should be kept confidential. Thereafter Necheles says about the confidentiality agreement.

Back with Paula Reid and Kaitlan Collins.

Paula Reid, what the judge just mentioned, I think, is a really important point. And you and I were just talking about that during the commercial break.

REID: In speaking with sources it's clear Trump was agitated by Stormy Daniels' testimony the other day. And part of what they're doing here is a bit of theater to appease their client. These are all valid questions. And this is --

COOPER: This is a bit of theater to appease their client.

REID: Exactly. He was aggravated on Tuesday. For the first time we heard him audibly cursing in court during a certain portion of her testimony. I believe it was when she testified that she spanked him with that magazine.

But the legal team was able to sort of get I'm under control. And in the past, when I've seen him in the civil cases engage in this kind of behavior, it's hard to rein him in. So, it's a credit to his team that they were able to do that on Tuesday. And then here it appears that he's whispering with Todd Blanche, it appears that he's -- he's doing OK, because here he believes he has an advocate, right? You have someone holding up documents to Stormy Daniels and cross-examining her story.

So, again, this is not necessarily material to the case, what they are going through line by line here, but it matters to their client. And that is likely a large part of the motivation here.

COLLINS: Well, I mean, Trump would love for the cross-examination to go on as long as possible. He wants to see his attorneys do what he cannot do, which is go after the witness and try to undermine her and attack her. Trump can't even mentioned Stormy Daniels, essentially, because of this gag order. And he feels incredibly limited by that.

Legally, they don't think that's a good strategy to keep questioning her for hours because she's not helpful to their case.

I will say, the conversation they were just talking about that was surreptitiously recorded by Michael Cohen, unsurprisingly, of his call with Keith Davidson, that is the lawyer who negotiated this agreement for Stormy Daniels that they're looking at now. [10:00:05]