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CNN Saturday Morning Table for Five. Recent Polling Shows Lower Approval Ratings for President Trump after 100 Days in Office for Second Term; Trump Administration Tariffs Possibly Set to Increase Consumer Prices; President Trump Signs Executive Order to End Public Funding of NPR and PBS for Biased and Partisan News Coverage; Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth Ends Pentagon Initiative Promoting Women Which was Signed into Law During President Trump's First Term; FBI Demotes Agents Who Kneeled during George Floyd Protests; Minnesota Governor Tim Walz Gives Speech on Reason He was Chosen as Kamala Harris's Vice Presidential Candidate; New Study Shows Young People Aged 18 to 29 across 20 Countries Less Happy than Previously. Aired 10-11a ET.
Aired May 03, 2025 - 10:00 ET
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ABBY PHILLIP, CNN ANCHOR: This morning, are you not entertained? Why Donald Trump's first 100 days tests even the most loyal supporters.
Plus, you can say "Merry Christmas" again, you just can't afford it.
DONALD TRUMP, (R) U.S. PRESIDENT: Maybe the children will have two dolls instead of 30 dolls.
PHILLIP: A "let them eat cake" moment rattles Barbies everywhere.
Also, MAGA tells Big Bird lawyer up, your street is going broke.
And --
GOV. TIM WALZ, (D) MINNESOTA: I could code talk to white guys watching football, fixing their truck.
PHILLIP: Familiar Democrats emerge from hibernation. But are their voices the ones liberals want to hear?
Here in studio, S.E. Cupp, Van Lathan, Erin Maguire, and Anthony Scaramucci.
It's the weekend. Join the conversation at the "TABLE FOR FIVE".
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PHILLIP: Good morning. I'm Abby Phillip in New York.
Let's get right to what America is talking about. What, a year this 100-days has been. Americans got everything Donald Trump promised -- retribution, tariffs, deportations. They also got everything Donald Trump failed to mention -- higher prices, group texts, Elon Musk's chainsaw massacre.
But the chaos America once experienced and voted for again is clearly tanking his report card. The majority of Americans don't like his work, his trade wars, or his handling of the economy, and Trump's defiance is showing up in two forms. The first, finger pointing.
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DONALD TRUMP, (R) U.S. PRESIDENT: This is Biden's economy because we took over on January 20th, and I think you have to give us a little bit of time to get moving. But this is the Biden economy.
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PHILLIP: And the second form of defiance, deaf ears. The louder the alarm bells get from companies and economists, families, the higher the president's shoulders get.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: People are worried, even some people who voted for you, saying, I didn't sign up for this. So how do you answer those concerns?
DONALD TRUMP, (R) U.S. PRESIDENT: Well, they did sign up for it, actually, and this is what I campaigned on.
Maybe the children will have two dollars instead of 30 dolls, you know? And maybe the two dolls will cost a couple of bucks more than they would normally.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Concerning the tariffs, which economists say are going to raise prices, you said, quote, "hang tough. It won't be easy." You said that to the American people. Is that what Americans should expect, some hard times, because of these tariffs?
TRUMP: I've said that during my campaign. Look, we won a campaign by a lot.
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PHILLIP: Except that he didn't say that during the campaign. Let me just play what he did promise Americans who voted for him based on their unhappiness about the economy. Listen.
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DONALD TRUMP, (R) U.S. PRESIDENT: The next Trump economic boom will begin on November 5th, 2024. It's going to be a boom like no other. Under my plan, incomes will skyrocket, inflation will vanish completely, jobs will come roaring back, and the middle class will prosper like never, ever before.
We intend to slash prices by half within 12 months, at a maximum 18 months.
Together we will begin the four greatest years in the history of our country, and we will launch the most extraordinary economic boom the world has ever seen.
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PHILLIP: So instead, Scaramucci, what they're getting is hang tough, don't buy 30 dolls, three is fine, and you might have to pay more for them.
ANTHONY SCARAMUCCI, FROMER TRUMP WHITE HOUSE COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR: And the 145 percent tariffs are going to stick, which are decimating small businesses and people in retail communities on main street in the center of people's towns. And so I don't think it lasts. And I think the market is telling you it's not going to last. He's already caving. He's more or less begged the Chinese for meetings. They've reached out to the Chinese, the Chinese haven't reached out to them. And the market is telling you that they'll have to retract on these tariffs.
So I think we get to Christmas in a better position than Donald Trump thinks, actually. There'll be more dolls for Christmas because --
PHILLIP: You think he's going to cave?
SCARAMUCCI: Yes. Well, the system is forcing him into a position where he'll be forced to cave.
PHILLIP: Yes. I mean, Friday was a very good day, ended a good week for the stock market. The S&P posted its longest winning streak in 20 years. The Dow posted its first nine day winning streak since December 2023. But it's kind of like, I view the market as constantly sending signals. They're like, OK, tell us that a deal is coming.
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Tell us that this thing is going to be over and we're going to buy, buy, buy. But that's -- it's a reflection of the hope, it seems to me, more than the reality of what's happening actually right now.
S.E. CUPP, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Yes, and I think, you know, one more shrug and you could see the markets respond conversely. So I think you're right.
But Trump made some very specific and grandiose promises. And they're unlike other promises that he made. They're unlike the Mexico will pay for a wall promise. They're unlike the, "I have definitive proof that Obama was born in Kenya" promise. These are about your bottom line at home. The promises he made, your prosperity. And when you mess with people's money, people tend to feel a way about it. Just ask two one term presidents, George H.W. Bush and Herbert Hoover. George H.W. Bush famously says, read my lips, no new taxes. When he went ahead and raised taxes, he was punished for that. In the election Herbert Hoover promises a chicken in every pot. The Depression comes. He can't right the ship. He's punished for that because the economy is different than every other issue.
SCARAMUCCI: Jimmy Carter. Jimmy Carter.
CUPP: Jimmy Carter, economic malaise. I mean, the American people give Trump a lot of leeway on his promises. I think on this, though, they're going to take him real seriously.
VAN LATHAN, PODCAST CO-HOST, "HIGHER LEARNING": Well, a couple of things. Number one, I think he promised a lot of that stuff, and he promised it almost immediately. And there was a lot of faith in him as some sort of economic wizard. He's a businessman, the art of the deal, whatever have you, that he would be able to come in and he had a plan to fix what people were complaining about, which was high prices, economic instability, things like that.
But I think it goes actually further than Trump. The Republican Party has been able to convince Americans over the past 15, 20 years, 30 years that they were better on the economy than the Democrats were. And I think that if Donald Trump, I think that he can severely injure that notion with making people go through a lot of economic pain right now, because they voted directly on this issue, directly for relief. And if they don't see it, I think he could erode a lot of faith that Americans have in the Republicans, period.
PHILLIP: Look, I'm already seeing from companies warnings to their customers, new prices go into effect May 15th. New prices go into effect May 30th. So right at this moment, it's not even, we're not even there yet, but it's coming very, very quickly. Prices are going up for sure.
ERIN MAGUIRE, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST, AXIOM STRATEGIES: I think that the market is going to be the one that tells us what and where that happens with. But I think for the longer term of Trump's economic plan here, you're about to see a little bit of a shift in it right now, not only because you're hearing about China possibly coming to the table, and the last couple of times that's happened that has lifted the markets. Any indication a deal could be coming, everybody gets a little excited.
But on in the Capitol right now they're going through budget reconciliation. If they get this tax deal done. Now, I understand they want to do it in one big, beautiful bill, and as the hill dork I am, I think the fact that you have two budget vehicles available to you gives you double the power and opportunity to get big economic policy done. Everything needs to have a budgetary impact in order to beat the filibuster in the Senate, so it's very close language. So I appreciate the fact that they should use two bills. But they get this tax work done, it will help alleviate the work that needs to get done on trade and tariffs and take some of the pressure off of those points. And it's happening right now in the Capitol, and it's not being discussed about.
PHILLIP: I don't know. I mean, can I just say I don't buy that. I don't I don't buy --
MAGUIRE: Which part? The reconciliation part? PHILLIP: I don't buy the idea that tax cuts, which are generally going to be future facing, are going to alleviate the pressure on American pocketbooks, which they will start feeling as soon as this summer. And so that's my that's my issue, is that I think that that's a very good, like, theoretical, like Washington talking point. But people are going to be going to the store to buy things, or going online on Amazon to buy things. And the prices are going to say double what they were saying before. And I don't think tax cuts is going to have an impact on that anytime --
MAGUIRE: I say one thing about tax cuts, though -- I will say one thing about tax cuts, though. If those don't get extended, prices will go up for the American people. That will be the largest tax hike on the American people in history, and the people who got the most out of those tax cuts were the middle class.
PHILLIP: Yes, I'm just talking about in the here and now. I think my issue is that basically you're saying to businesses we're going to keep the status quo, right? Great. But they're also still getting slapped across the face with tariffs that are that are hitting their profits. And then on top of that, the regressiveness of the tariffs is going to hurt consumers.
CUPP: But I think you're making a sort of a macro point where if this happens on the Hill, it will have an impact that could affect the whole economy in a positive way.
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And the other thing is a micro impact, in my home, right? I'm going to feel it in my wallet. I'm going to feel it in my home. I'm going to feel it in my bank account, my retirement accounts, my gasoline -- my gas tanks. I think both can be true, but the one that voters --
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SCARAMUCCI: You think these tariffs are going to stick? You think they're going to stick?
CUPP: I do. I think he's so --
SCARAMUCCI: OK.
CUPP: He's so stubborn on this, and he's wanted this for so long. He's ignored so many economists. He's ignored the whole of the Republican Party that used to be against this. He has to see it through now. I don't think he's going to back away.
PHILLIP: I think it might go down. It may not be 145, but I think even, let's say it's 75 percent, that's still huge. Thats a huge tax increase.
LATHAN: I'm going to say something pretty elementary here, but when I think about all of this stuff, I think about like a gym or like weight watchers or Jenny Craig. Let me tell you what I mean.
PHILLIP: Oh, boy.
LATHAN: All right, so when they want to sell you on something, listen, just listen.
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LATHAN: When they want to sell you on something, they sell you on --
SCARAMUCCI: Can you pass me the donuts while he's saying this.
LATHAN: -- a before and an after, right? They show you a person, and then they show you how great this person looks. Why do they show you how great the person looks? Because there's going to be a lot of pain that you're going to have to go through to get to where that person is. You're going to have to give up your favorite foods. You're going to have to go to the gym. You're going to have to do all kinds of things that are hard to do, right?
The president is telling Americans to do things that are hard to do, but he doesn't have a fully formulated after picture. He doesn't have a picture of the economy or their lives that he can sell to them in a simple and digestible way that makes someone go, I want to go to the store and pay more for goods. I think that it is worth it, the tariffs or whatever. And the reason why he doesn't have it is because I don't think it can really be articulated in the way that --
CUPP: But he didn't need it. He got voted in without it.
LATHAN: Well, he.
CUPP: Based on the promise.
LATHAN: Right.
PHILLIP: Well, yes. I mean, and I would argue he didn't really actually promise this level of tariffs, because he didn't.
LATHAN: Well, he didn't.
PHILLIP: OK. But I follow you.
LATHAN: I got on there.
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PHILLIP: Coming up next, coming up next for us.
SCARAMUCCI: I don't want the donuts anymore. That was a pretty good explanation.
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PHILLIP: Up next, Donald Trump picks a fight with Sesame Street with an order to cut federal funds to PBS and NPR.
Plus, the administration's war on woke takes a couple of missteps, including Pete Hegseth axing a program that Trump actually signed into law.
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PHILLIP: Welcome back. Donald Trump adds some new villains to his enemies list, Bert, Ernie, and the liberal hack Abby Cadabby. The president signing an executive order to end public funding of NPR and PBS, accusing the networks of biased and partisan news coverage. In fact, he calls them monsters without specific examples of why he thinks that they've crossed the vampire Rubicon. It's worth noting that the outlets have received half-a-billion dollars each from taxpayers every year, and have a long history of being on the right's radar. But as with many things, just because Donald Trump and conservatives don't like it doesn't mean that they can unilaterally defund it. And I think that is where we're at here. But I guess the question is, does Trump care? The answer is no.
MAGUIRE: That's right. And in the E.O., it says to the extent you're legally able to do so, right?
PHILLIP: Which is a giant loophole that you can drive a truck through, yes.
MAGUIRE: We can just, you know, just put the make sure that we all are aware, he's not telling them immediately do something illegal and remove the funding.
But for the conservative argument about not providing funds to an outlet like NPR, it's very easy for them to continue to make that argument with the CEO there. And I had to take notes on things that she has openly said that have been hostile toward Republicans in general, but especially towards Donald Trump.
And I will say that the Trump part of this argument isn't the reason I'm making it. It's not to say like, oh, we should defund them because they attacked Donald Trump. This is just the example that's available. So she said, quote, "I think our reverence for the truth might have been become a bit of a distraction that is preventing us from finding consensus." She has also called President Trump, quote, "a fascist" and "a deranged racist sociopath." And she's the head of it saying there is no bias there. There was obviously an editor who left NPR who did a piece, who did a public publication saying there are 87 registered Democrats there and no Republicans. It's hard for them to credibly have an argument that there's not bias when the CEO is out there so richly lambasting Republicans, and when their own people have come out from the inside and said that they are not biased. Yes, it's easy to say that taxpayer money shouldn't go to that kind of propaganda.
CUPP: I don't think there's any question that NPR and PBS lean left. I mean, I think that's a fact. It also doesn't matter. They could lean upside down and it wouldn't matter because the federal government and Trump have zero authority over what kind of programing they do. You know, money gets allocated from Congress to the CPB, and PBS and NPR have total discretion. But I'm less concerned about these kinds of, you know, these are for
show because as you've noted, this isn't going to go anywhere legally. I'm more concerned about news outlets like ABC and others caving to Trump's lawsuits.
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Because when it no longer feels worth it to fight for the freedom of the press by the press, we're in real trouble.
PHILLIP: Yes. I mean, you know, just a thought. I've heard a lot of different arguments that the corporate ownership of the media is bad. The alternative, I guess, would be public funding of the media, which, as we are now learning, could also be bad because you can be held hostage essentially by the political whims of whoever is in the White House or in the Congress. And I think it kind of leaves media, not to be navel gazing, but it leaves media in a really difficult spot right now.
SCARAMUCCI: Can I ask a question, though? If the if the president is starting a "Drudge Report" lookalike, it's called White House something or another, and he's using taxpayer funded money to drop links and stories that are pro-Trump, are we OK with that? We think that that's a bad thing to do with government money, or does that provide a balance?
LATHAN: That's the thing.
PHILLIP: I guess could literally do that, I think they can do that.
LATHAN: I mean, they could. There is some things that government money is used for.
SCARAMUCCI: I don't have any problem with it. I'm just making the point that, like, you're funding the information. The Trump stuff is going to be leaning Trump. The other stuff, maybe leaning not Trump. I don't understand why that's that big of a deal.
MAGUIRE: Yes. And I also think that --
SCARAMUCCI: Its being funded by the taxpayer. It's coming out of the executive branch.
MAGUIRE: But that's also government work.
And to your point about NPR and everybody, they can do whatever programing they want, absolutely. It just shouldn't be on taxpayer dime. Then do whatever you want.
CUPP: Legally they can.
MAGUIRE: Totally. I'm just saying --
PHILLIP: Go knock on Speaker Johnson's door and put up a bill and see where it goes. LATHAN: I guess my I guess my issue with all of this is the impetus
of it. Power is supposed to be annoyed by the free press. The media is supposed to annoy people in power, because you're supposed to have --
CUPP: That's the job.
LATHAN: That's the job. The job is to root around and look for inconsistencies and provide information to people so that they can then go vote and be active, civically active, in a society that's supposed to be free. The fact that the president wants to intimidate news outlets wants the end of my friend, Snuffleupagus, right, the fact that he wants that it's never ceases to --
SCARAMUCCI: Your favorite is Snuffleupagus? Who's your favorite Muppet?
LATHAN: I love Snuffleupagus.
SCARAMUCCI: That's your number one?
LATHAN: Snuffy.
SCARAMUCCI: Over Oscar the Grouch.
LATHAN: Yes, Snuffy is way superior to Oscar.
SCARAMUCCI: I don't think so.
PHILLIP: Do you think?
MAGUIRE: Although, to be fair, he called them monsters. And you know, the cookie monster is a monster.
PHILLIP: Well, coming up next for us, MAGA's war on woke goes back, way back and targets FBI agents who were kneeling for George Floyd.
Plus, the Democrats who lost the election, they're back. But what does the party want with them?
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PHILLIP: MAGA's war on woke is suffering some self-owns. First, Pete Hegseth axes a Pentagon initiative that promotes women, bragging that he's ending a woke Biden initiative. Except that that program was created and signed into law by Donald Trump. It was championed by Ivanka Trump and members of the current Trump cabinet.
Then the FBI digs into retribution, the archives, essentially demoting agents who kneeled during the George Floyd protests. Except that this kind of protest was once praised by the MAGA king himself.
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DONALD TRUMP, (R) U.S. PRESIDENT: We all saw what we saw, and it's very hard to even conceive of anything other than what we did see. It should never happen, should never be allowed to happen, a thing like that. But we're determined that justice be served. Very important, I believe, to the family, to everybody, that the memory of George Floyd be a perfect memory. Let it be a perfect memory. The looters should not be allowed to drown out the voices of so many peaceful protesters.
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PHILLIP: Van, I was watching your face when that was playing.
LATHAN: I see his colors over there.
PHILLIP: Well, he, you know, look, he's reading from a piece of paper. But I just think there's a lot of forgetting that happens about what was happening during that time. That FBI story about the agents who knelt in that photo, they were sent out by the FBI to do law enforcement. They were -- they're supposed to be sitting at a desk going after transnational criminals. But they were sent to do law enforcement. And so they did that, and now they're being punished years later. It's pretty amazing that they're so detail oriented around this stuff.
LATHAN: Well, I think that this is sort of indicative of what's happened since the George Floyd era that we were in, right. We've sort of looked back on it now, and it's annoyed people that we ever thought to have a racial reckoning conversation in America. And they're looking back on it and they're angry and they forgot the conversation that was happening then. I saw conversations like this, I saw pat Robertson go on his show and talk about just how egregious that eight minutes and 42 seconds was, right.
CUPP: He didn't Even blame the gays for, which is what he usually does.
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LATHAN: Now people are looking back and they're thinking, oh my God, woke went too far. So let's go back and try to excise it all out of society. But the reality is that a lot of people in that moment started to ask a lot of big questions. Now, I think that we lost that war, and now they're trying to fight it again.
CUPP: But it's crazy because they weren't kneeling for political reasons. They were kneeling because they encountered protesters.
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And what they were taught to do to de-escalate the situation when they confronted protesters, because they are not law enforcement in that sense, they're not police, is to kneel and let the protesters happen around them.
PHILLIP: And it worked, because there was no there was no confrontation.
CUPP: And they're being punished. It worked, but they're being punished as if this were about their politics. It's very Orwellian.
SCARAMUCCI: But that's not the -- I mean, there's something else going on here. It is the great culture war, and Donald Trump is the Napoleon of the culture war. And he's pushing this so that he can trigger people. And he wants people at CNN and other places to talk about it. And he doesn't care about those people.
CUPP: Or the details.
SCARAMUCCI: Those people are just fodder for the ideologue --
CUPP: Slaying cultural dragons.
SCARAMUCCI: -- the ideological behavior.
PHILLIP: That's why this Pete Hegseth thing is so comical. He makes this big show of getting rid of this woke program for women that Trump ran on in this last election as evidence of how much he supports women. Ivanka Trump supported it. Marco Rubio, when he was in the Senate, cosponsored it. But it's also very Trumpian that there's no acknowledgment of that. It's almost like.
MAGUIRE: Yes, they're just going to keep it moving.
PHILLIP: Yes.
MAGUIRE: I mean, they made a mistake and they're going to keep it moving and they're going to pretend --
PHILLIP: Are they still going to get rid of the program that he started?
MAGUIRE: Thats a great question for the Department of Defense and the Pentagon and not one that I can answer. But I think the culture war conversation happening at this table is the correct one about these. These aren't individual, isolated incidents when you take them in the larger context of the fact that part of what Donald Trump did win on was the culture war in this country, was people who felt that it had gone too far, that when it came to boys and girls sports, that to them felt like an attack on their culture. So that argument, this is part of why Donald Trump won. So those people kneeling down, to those in the far right, what they see is the opportunity to restore trust in the FBI as an institution because that looks like a --
PHILLIP: To Erin's point, just real quick. There's some CNN polling that asks people about the approval of all these different issues. The best numbers that he's getting really are on the gender identity politics stuff. So, you know, and yes, there's --
MAGUIRE: This is just another point, these are other points within the culture war.
PHILLIP: Yes, there there's a lot of agreement on that.
There's another question from ABC-"Washington Post," DEI levels help level -- the DEI efforts to help level the playing field, 51 percent say yes, 47 percent say it creates unfair discrimination. It's much more narrowly divided there. But they think that this whole bucket of issues is a winner for them because it just agitates the left. And it feels like common sense. But there are some questions about whether it's going too far.
LATHAN: So this is what I would say. We talk about the culture wars, and we also, we often talk about like who's going to win, which side is going to win the culture war? I think, what I think about it, I think about the casualties of the culture war, like who has to die for somebody to win. And what I see is an attack on black American competence, saying that anyone who operates a plane or is in a position of leadership and they are black is a DEI hire, an attack on the competence of women, an attack on the lives of trans people. And I see the people that some people are willing to die these culture war deaths to be able to have a political win, I think that is incredibly dangerous. And it seeks to actually readjust the paradigm of what American freedom and inclusion is.
PHILLIP: Coming up, Tim Walz says he was picked because he could code talk to white guys. And he is not the only familiar Democrat who is emerging yet again. But the question is, should they?
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PHILLIP: As we head into the spring, the warm temperatures, or cold Trump poll numbers, must be a bat signal for liberals. Pete Buttigieg is heading to Iowa and appearing on manosphere podcasts. Joe Biden is going to be on "The View" next week. Kamala Harris gave her first speech critiquing the Trump sequel. And her running mate, well, he is saying the quiet part out loud.
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GOV. TIM WALZ, (D) MINNESOTA: I also was on the ticket, quite honestly, because I could code talk to white guys watching football, fixing their truck, doing that, that I could put them at ease. I was the permission structure to say, look, you can do this and vote for this. And you look across those swing states, with the exception of Minnesota, we didn't get enough of those votes.
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PHILLIP: But are these Democrats the liberals that everyone wants to see, the liberals want to see? I don't know. I mean, also, I have to say that is true, that they believed that, that they believed that he was going to be the permission structure. That turned out to be a very, very flawed premise on a whole host of issues.
CUPP: Yes.
PHILLIP: Not just fixing trucks, but also even on the abortion issue, too, which they ran a lot of ads on.
MAGUIRE: Tim Walz is like the least relatable guy. You want to pretend that the Democrats continue to prop up the loudest voice in the room right now, because they are a lost party. Tim Walz is another example of that. He's saying he was only selected to be the V.P. so white people could vote for Kamala. Is that where the Democrat Party sees themselves right now? Well, then, good news for Republicans. We've got a better chance in the midterms than we think because they are completely out of step.
So who's parading around right now? Joe Biden is going out to "The View" because he's trying to blunt a book that's going to come out and say that he was mentally incapacitated during the presidency and reporters missed it.
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Pete Buttigieg is in Iowa, but he has been a terrible candidate. He was a terrible candidate during the 20 cycle, and has shown that he's not gotten any better. And he has a record now as the secretary of the Department of Transportation.
And Kamala came out. She's still not liked. She still doesn't have an identity. Neither does her party. So for Republicans right now, if these are the loudest voices, it's great.
LATHAN: So I completely disagree about Kamala Harris. I think Kamala Harris has a bright future.
CUPP: Where?
LATHAN: A bright future as governor of California, but a bright future as a huge voice in the party. There is a gigantic swath of people who still connect to Kamala Harris.
And I'll say this about Pete Buttigieg. If you watch the "Flagrant Podcast" that Pete Buttigieg was on, right, and that is as manosphere as it gets, Andrew and Akaash and Alex and all the guys, right? He was breathtakingly good. Now, I'm not a gigantic Pete Buttigieg fan, but he is one of the only people that has the gravitas and the sort of gumption to go into places like that and come away genuinely impressive. And I was genuinely impressed by him on that podcast. I'm serious. I know you're looking at me. If you saw him on there, I was genuinely impressed.
SCARAMUCCI: I wish I could make the facial expressions.
LATHAN: I was just going to say.
SCARAMUCCI: They're just so fantastic.
CUPP: But no, I just I want to know, like, is the is the future of the Democratic Party in the room? Is it is it here with us? Because I don't see it --
SCARAMUCCI: Let me give you the future. Let me give you the future.
CUPP: -- from any of these people. SCARAMUCCI: I'm going to give you the future of the Democratic Party
in 30 seconds, OK? If they don't do this, they're going to fail abysmally. They've got to get out of the policy discussion and the policy fight and focus on a purpose. They've got to broaden the party, and they've got to go with a 40 year old, because they do well with Obama, Jack Kennedy, Bill Clinton. And they've got to --
CUPP: Who?
SCARAMUCCI: They've got to -- well, they've got to get -- so to me, I would get in a room and call a summit and I would say, hey, guys --
CUPP: To identify this person?
SCARAMUCCI: No. Just to knock off the internecine --
MAGUIRE: Gretchen Whitmer, Miss hides behind a clipboard, that's the face of the Democrat Party.
SCARAMUCCI: The Democratic Party will never listen to Erin, but they should hear Erin and say the following. You guys are in disarray. You're having a civil war. You're going hard left with AOC and Bernie. Very bad mistake. The country doesn't want that.
LATHAN: I can't tell by the rallies.
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LATHAN: I'm not saying it's not the answer.
SCARAMUCCI: Kamala had great rallies. She lost all seven swing states.
PHILLIP: to his point. Look, California, we got 26,000 people, 20,000 in Salt Lake City, 36,000 in California, 12,000 in Idaho. Denver, Colorado, 34,000. Tucson, Arizona, 23,000.
MAGUIRE: That's not it.
CUPP: What the Democrats need to do is empower the Elissa Slotkins, the Tim Ryans, the Seth Moultons, the moderate young Democrats that they've been head patting for the last 10 years and saying just wait your turn. When is it their turn?
PHILLIP: But let me ask. I mean, all of those people, do you think any of those people have what it takes to run for president and win?
CUPP: No, because the Democratic Party has not conditioned them.
PHILLIP: No, no, I mean, in the in a perfect world, do they really have what it takes to run for president of these United States and win?
CUPP: Well, I believe they have a better chance --
MAGUIRE: They're great Senate candidates. They're great --
CUPP: I think they have a better chance than the progressives and the far left people that alienate voters.
SCARAMUCCI: Hillary Clinton thought Barack Obama was going to be her HUD secretary. They've got to get in the field and fight it out.
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PHILLIP: Yes, but that's different. Barack Obama, this is the point I'm making on the on the vibes issue, right? Barack Obama, way before he ran for president, became a national figure overnight because of charisma, because he captured the imagination of a lot of the country in one night with his DNC speech. All of those people that you mentioned have not done that once.
LATHAN: I think it's probably an easier task, honestly, to believe that an AOC would move a little bit more incrementally to --
CUPP: The middle?
LATHAN: A little bit more.
CUPP: No, no, no, no, no.
LATHAN: But let me tell you why I say that.
SCARAMUCCI: I want what he's having. The level of delusion coming out of Van's mouth.
LATHAN: No, no, no. I'll tell you why I say that.
SCARAMUCCI: "When Harry Met Sally," I want what you're having. I want to --
LATHAN: If you've followed AOC, she's already really compromised on a lot of things that the first iteration of AOC probably wouldn't have. Thats the first thing. Secondly, I'll say this.
SCARAMUCCI: You are the vicar of common sense talking delusionally right now.
LATHAN: What you cannot what you cannot do is you -- that right there is not artificial. The rest of the people that you're talking about, nobody cares about them.
CUPP: I agree.
LATHAN: And the Democrats --
CUPP: That's a problem for Democrats.
LATHAN: -- desperately need people that people care about.
CUPP: I agree. But it has to be enough.
LATHAN: So once you see people that people -- once you see that, though, you have to nurture that.
CUPP: Kamala Harris did a great job with a really kind of crappy setup. She still lost to a convicted felon.
LATHAN: Right.
CUPP: It's not enough to just get rally support.
MAGUIRE: Also, you can say that those aren't staged. But like, I work in politics. We know how to crowd raise for rallies, and 12,000 people in Idaho is not a movement to make.
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LATHAN: The Fighting Oligarchy tour is the hottest --
MAGUIRE: It's the worst name ever.
LATHAN: It's the hottest ticket since the Cowboy Carter tour. Get on board.
(LAUGHTER)
PHILLIP: I wish we could do a whole hour with you all on this topic.
Coming up next, a new study shows that young people are less happy than previous generations were. So what is going on there? We're going to discuss that.
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PHILLIP: The kids are not all right. A new study shows that young people aren't as happy as they once were. That includes their physical and mental health, perceptions of their own character, finding meaning in life, and the quality of their relationships and bank accounts. It's not uniquely American in terms of the crisis. The study includes 20 countries, 200,000 people ages 18 to 29. So what is driving a lack of life in the prime of those very lives?
SCARAMUCCI: Pressure and social media, comparison on social media. Your life is unfiltered, but you're looking at filtered lives on social media. You know, Scott Galloway and I are working on this. We have a podcast out called "Lost Boys" that examines these issues for young men. But it is also young women. But I do think it's social media, it's almost like it's giving the brain lung cancer. I know it's a bad analogy in some ways, but think about it. It should have a surgeon general's warning label on it about what it does to your mental health.
PHILLIP: Its fair. It's like a lot, it's basically built on FOMO. Like, everybody else's life is better than yours, fear of missing out. You can't be happy where you are because you're looking at somebody else's perfectly curated life. CUPP: Well, and I also have a podcast on mental health, because
anxiety in particular really impacts women, not exclusively. But the impact of social media and how often we go on it passively without an intention, right. I mean, I'll, you know, maybe scroll on a social media account while I'm waiting in line at the grocery store, or I'll go on for validation, which is awful and gross. But we don't examine with intentionality what we're there for.
So if you're a young person without some of the tools, without a family, without a job, if you're a young person and you're just there passively, you're so open to all of these influences really taking over your psyche and giving you things you weren't there for, you weren't intending to find. They'll find you. And so it's a really -- I mean, it's hard to get away from this now that the toothpaste is out of the tube. But I would, like the Mooch, blame it squarely on this.
MAGUIRE: I would say that, but I would also say COVID. This is a generation of kids now who were locked down in their homes, who have not only education deficits, but mental health deficits from the lockdowns with COVID. Being able to go back into sports, back into classrooms, they had their youthful education era interrupted. If you were a kid who is graduating college right now, you were in high school during COVID and having to do the reintroductions, the re- openings and everything. That's been how you've grown up. And you couple that with social media on top of it, like kids need to get outside more and get a hobby. And that's when you start to find purpose.
LATHAN: Honestly, I'm tired of hearing about it. Get your ass up and go outside. OK, go, the sun, everything awesome is outside. I'll help you. I'll play football with you. I'll play catch with you. Hit me up. All right. Get up and go outside.
PHILLIP: And I know, I know --
SCARAMUCCI: There are apps you can put on your kids' phones, gives them 30 minutes of social media and it clicks it off, and they can't.
PHILLIP: Yes, but they can get around those things really easily. But, yes, but I think you're right. And I was saying, Scott Galloway your co-host of this podcast is very big on people, young people in particular, stop being in your house. And that's a big part of the problem.
CUPP: "The Goonies" generation. It's gone.
PHILLIP: So Anthony's podcast with Scott Galloway, "The Lost Boys," it comes out on May 15th. It will be available on Apple, Spotify, Pod News, and on YouTube.
Everyone stay with me. Up next, the panel's unpopular opinions, what they are not afraid to say out loud.
But first, a programing note. Don't miss an all new "Eva Longoria Searching for Spain." She's going to explore Andalusia. One word for you on that one, "tapas." That's tomorrow, 9:00 p.m. on CNN. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
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PHILLIP: We're back, and it's time for your unpopular opinions. You each have 30 seconds to tell us yours. Anthony, you're up.
SCARAMUCCI: I sort of loved the blue suit from Donald Trump at the funeral. I thought it just showed his differentiation from everybody else. And it also showed how much Melania loves him.
CUPP: What are we doing? What are we doing right now?
(LAUGHTER)
SCARAMUCCI: Some people didn't like it. I liked it.
CUPP: OK. Mine is, can we stop covering Harry and Meghan? They left the royals to live a private life, yet they keep foisting their lives upon an unsuspecting public. I'm sick of it. Enough! Go away! Live your lives.
LATHAN: Dogs are underrepresented in the American government. There should be one representative for dogs. We vote on who represents --
CUPP: A person or a dog?
LATHAN: A person with a dog.
PHILLIP: Representing dogs.
LATHAN: Representing dogs, like from dog land.
PHILLIP: Yes because we need dogs.
MAGUIRE: We do. Dogs are the best. We don't deserve them.
SCARAMUCCI: Trump doesn't like them.
MAGUIRE: My take is that the Free Britney movement was right. Britney Spears does deserve her freedom. And while people might be concerned because she is twirling around and she's living her life however she wants to, that woman worked her tail off and was incredibly successful, had to live under her father's thumb, and made her millions. And she can blow it however she wants to. Plenty of men in this country have taken their success and blown it on drugs and prostitutes. Britney Spears, if she wants to twirl around, she deserves her freedom.
PHILLIP: Twirling around is not a crime.
SCARAMUCCI: That blue suit was at least controversial.
PHILLIP: It might very well have been. Everyone --
MAGUIRE: Free Britney -- PHILLIP: Thank you very much. Thank you for watching "TABLE FOR FIVE".
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