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Arizona's Top Court Reinstates Century-Old Ban On Nearly All Abortions; Parents Of School Shooter Sentenced To 10-15 Years In Prison; Biden Says, Netanyahu's Approach To War Against Hamas A Mistake; Chicago Releases Bodycam Of Fatal Shooting Involving Five Officers; Rep. Greene: Speaker Johnson "Completely Betrayed" House GOP. Aired 6-7p ET

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WOLF BLITZER, CNN HOST: Happening now, breaking news, a historic new flashpoint in the legal and political battle over abortion rights. Arizona's highest court ruling the state must adhere to a century-old ban on nearly all abortions. Arizona's attorney general joins us with her reaction this hour.

Also tonight, an unprecedented sentencing as the parents of the Michigan school shooter are ordered to serve up to 15 years in prison. Stand by to hear how Jennifer and James Crumbley were confronted by angry relatives of their son's victims.

And the city of Chicago releases very disturbing body cam footage of a traffic stop that ended with the driver's death, police firing more than 90 shots in just 41 seconds. We have exclusive reaction from the family of the man who was killed.

Welcome to our viewers here in the United States and around the world. I'm Wolf Blitzer. You're in The Situation Room.

And we begin with the breaking news, the state of Arizona ordered to revive a near total ban on abortions that dates back to the Civil War era. Arizona's Attorney General Kris Mayes is standing by to discuss the state Supreme Court ruling and its impact. But, first, CNN's Brian Todd has details on this decision.

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GOV. KATIE HOBBS (D-AZ): It is a dark day in Arizona. BRIAN TODD, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice over): Tonight, Arizona's Supreme Court ruling the state must enforce a near-total ban on all abortions, the controversial law which dates back to the Civil War, before Arizona even became a state. The court saying, quote, physicians are now on notice that all abortions, except those necessary to save a woman's life, are illegal. Abortion providers could face a prison sentence of two to five years.

HOBBS: The near total Civil War era ban that continues to hang over our heads only serves to create more chaos for women and doctors in our state.

TODD: The Arizona law is on hold for two weeks while a lower court hears arguments on its constitutionality. And Arizona's attorney general, Kris Mayes, a Democrat, says that at least while she's in office, no woman or doctor will be prosecuted under this law by the state.

President Biden calls the new ban cruel and Vice President Kamala Harris said this on X.

KAMALA HARRIS, U.S. VICE PRESIDENT: To stop bans like this, we need a United States Congress that will restore the protections of Roe v. Wade. And when they do, President Joe Biden will sign it into law. And let's always remember, it does not have to be this way.

TODD: Opponents of abortion are applauding the Arizona ruling tonight. The group, Susan B. Anthony Pro-Life America, in a statement saying, quote, we celebrate this enormous victory for unborn children and their mothers, and claiming the ruling, quote, will protect more than 11,000 babies annually.

This comes just one day after former President Donald Trump announced his campaign position on abortion, declining to support a federal nationwide ban on abortions, saying it should be left up to states.

DONALD TRUMP (R), FORMER U.S. PRESIDENT, 2024 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: At the end of the day, this is all about the will of the people.

TODD: And it all comes on the heels of a controversial ruling in Florida's Supreme Court last week that allowed a ban on abortions after six weeks of pregnancy to take effect next month. Florida's high court did allow a proposed constitutional amendment that would establish the right to an abortion to go on the ballot this November, to the delight of abortion rights activists who pushed for that.

LAUREN BRENZEL, DIRECTOR, YES ON 4: What it does is remove politicians' ability to interfere with her private medical decisions.

TODD: Florida is one of several states where abortion will or may be on the ballot in November, when voters will decide whether to guarantee the right to an abortion in their state's Constitutions.

AYESHA RASCOE, HOST, WEEKEND EDITION SUNDAY, NPR: You're seeing all of this turmoil where people don't know from day to day what is going to be the law in their state, what happens if they get pregnant and they want to terminate the pregnancy.

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TODD (on camera): In the wake of the Arizona decision, Vice President Kamala Harris will visit Arizona on Friday to discuss reproductive rights. In a separate statement today, Harris said there's one person responsible for what she called cruel bans on abortion, Donald Trump, who she said brags about being responsible for the overturning of Roe vs. Wade. Wolf?

BLITZER: All right, Brian, thank you, Brian Todd reporting for us.

Let's discuss what's going on with Arizona's attorney general, Kris Mayes. Attorney General, thank you so much for joining us.

What avenues do you have to challenge this new law, this law in Arizona, your state?

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And as we've noted, it dates back to the Civil War era before Arizona was even a state.

ATTY. GEN. KRIS MAYES (D-AZ): Yes, hi, Wolf. Thanks for having me. Well, we are exploring all of those avenues. Everything is on the table right now for us, and it's time to fight. State Arizonans want us to fight back against this extreme, draconian, Civil War era abortion ban that was passed at a time when Arizona wasn't a state, the Civil War was still raging, and women couldn't even vote.

So, we're looking at everything, you know, that we possibly can to make sure that this ban never actually goes into place in Arizona. And I have said, Wolf, that as Attorney General, I will not prosecute any doctor, nurse, pharmacist, or woman under the 1864 ban or the 15-week ban that we also had in place. And that promise remains firm. The vast majority of Arizonans do not want to be dragged back to 1864.

BLITZER: And that's a significant -- very significant, indeed. As you just said, you've pledged not to prosecute any woman or doctor or nurse under this Arizona law.

I know you disagree with it, but isn't it your job to enforce the rules and the law as the top law enforcement official in Arizona?

MAYES: Yes. So, look, here is the fact of the matter. You know, this is a law that essentially violates our Constitution in Arizona, the right to privacy in Arizona, and we also know that we have an opportunity in at least the next couple of months to try to fight it in the courts, to take additional steps in courts.

And then the other thing, Wolf, that's really important to remember is that the people of Arizona are going to have the final say over this because we have a ballot measure on the ballot in November and I think the people of Arizona are going to overwhelmingly approve that ballot measure, which will enshrine the right to an abortion or reproductive rights in our Constitution. So, you know, I'm not going to enforce an unconstitutional abortion ban until other people of Arizona have right have to the ability to get to that ballot initiative.

BLITZER: Attorney General, are you at all concerned that you and your office could be taken to court for refusing, in the meantime, to enforce this law?

MAYES: Well, you know, I think it's entirely possible, and I wouldn't doubt it at all if the extremists on the right wing try to take me to court, but I'll see them in court and I'm ready for that fight. And this is a fight for the rights of Arizona women to access reproductive care.

We are now in a situation where women in our state may have to flee to California, New Mexico, Colorado, Nevada to receive care. But in the meantime, I'm going to protect them or do everything that I can to protect them. And if the extremists that pushed this ban forward want to take me to court, so be it.

I think it's important to remember also, Wolf, that it was Donald Trump and the United States Supreme Court who were responsible for overturning Roe and Dobbs, and that's why we got to this point. That's how we get to the point where an Arizona Supreme Court could re-impose an 1864 ban on the people of my great state.

BLITZER: Your governor, Arizona Governor Katie Hobbs, has already issued an executive order concentrating authority to prosecute violations of this law in your office, Attorney General. This hasn't been tested in court though. So, what's to stop local prosecutors from charging doctors?

MAYES: So, what's to stopped them, Wolf, is that, as you mentioned, the governor has consolidated the authority for prosecuting abortion in my office. I have just said and said all along that I will not use our resources to prosecute doctors, nurses, pharmacists or women.

And I also have, under Arizona law supervisory authority over those local prosecutors, and I've made it clear to county attorneys here in Arizona that they had better not try this. They had had to better try to prosecute under that 1864 ban because it's unconstitutional, and I'll use my super advisory authority to attempt to stop it.

BLITZER: The Arizona attorney general, Kris Mayes, Arizona Attorney General, thank you so much for joining us. We'll continue this conversation, to be sure.

I want to get some analysis right now from CNN Political Commentators Alyssa Farah Griffin and David Axelrod, and Katie Watson is also joining us, an expert on medical law and ethics.

Katie, let me start with you. How does the law originally from 1864, as I said, before Arizona was even a state, and which sat dormant for decades, come to be in effect now?

[18:10:08] KATIE WATSON, LAWYER: Well, it's a decision that the Arizona Supreme Court made, and it's a grave mistake. The Arizona legislature in 2022 passed a 15-week restriction, which, by all legal analysis, would supersede that earlier Arizona law.

The Supreme Court argued that the legislature hadn't explicitly repealed that Civil War era law, and therefore it, the incredibly more restrictive ban, stood. That just doesn't stand to reason, because the Arizona legislature could have repealed the 15-week ban after Dobbs and said, yes, we want to go back to a total ban, and it did not.

So, this is clearly an instance of the state Supreme Court imposing its political view on the people of Arizona rather than respecting the already restrictive, legislative view. The court had argued that the legislature was hampered by Roe versus Wade.

Clearly, in passing a 15-week ban, nine weeks before viability, it did not perceive itself to be following Roe versus Wade three months before Dobbs came out. That's how this comes to be. And the people of Arizona may reverse it.

But let's center the patients. Arizona physicians were providing abortion care for over a thousand patients a month between Dobbs and now. So, even if it's resolved in the election, that's over 8,000 Arizona women who have to go out of state for care.

BLITZER: Interesting. Stand by. I want to bring David into this conversation. David, the vice president, Kamala Harris, as you heard, will travel to Arizona this week to discuss reproductive rights. Is that the right move? And what kind of impact could the ballot initiative there to restore access to abortion rights for women in Arizona, what kind of impact could that have politically?

DAVID AXELROD, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, first of all, let me say before I get into before -- I hack it up here on politics, let me say this is -- this has put the health care of women and the peace of mind of women across Arizona at risk. And so it's -- you know, we should not forget the substance of this. And I'm glad you started off with Katie.

But as a political matter, this could not be more of a disaster for the Republican Party. Yesterday, Donald Trump said, well, it's up to the people in the states decide, let the states decide. Well, here you find what happens when you let the states decide. In Florida, a six- week ban is in place. I guarantee you in both those states, if you put that on the ballot, and they will be on the ballot in the form of initiatives, that a majority of voters in those states do not agree with those policies.

So, I think what this does is it puts a battleground state more in the leaning D column than the leaning R column, because I think there's going to be a massive turnout in November for a constitutional amendment in the state of Arizona, because the voters of Arizona now have a demonstration of the fragility of abortion rights in the post- Dobbs era.

I think this is an earthquake. Those electoral votes in Arizona could be the ones that tipped this election.

BLITZER: And that could happen in Florida as well. It's going to be on the ballot in November, abortion rights for women.

AXELROD: Yes.

BLITZER: Alyssa, after this ruling, the Trump campaign reiterated Trump's stance, and I'm quoting now, that these are decisions for people of each state to make, decisions of people of each state to make. Trump was clearly hoping to move past the issue of abortion access, but how does a near total abortion ban in a key battleground state like Arizona complicate all that for him?

ALYSSA FARAH GRIFFIN, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, listen, Wolff, it's a good day for Reuben Gallego and for Joe Biden in Arizona, frankly. The reality is this. Republicans are essentially the dog that caught the car on the issue of abortion. We've been fighting one way for 50 years with no plan for enactment when something like Dobbs comes down.

This is a political loser for Donald Trump, but he knows it. And just yesterday, by saying this should go back to the states, I think the thing he wanted less than anything was to have a state like Arizona come down with such a draconian ruling just one day later.

But the onus is going to be on the Democrats to message that to voters, to be able to say this is a direct result of Donald Trump's policies from his first term. And a little part that gets confusing here is we've now seen three Republican states that have voted to elect Republicans, but also voted on ballot initiatives or constitutional amendments to protect abortion rights.

So, Democrats have to be able to link the two, or you could actually see people breaking for Republican candidates, but also to uphold abortion.

BLITZER: You know, speaking of politics involved in all of this, David, the Arizona Senate race, as we all know potentially, could determine which party holds control of the U.S. Senate.

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This is what Democratic Candidate Ruben Gallego said about this ruling, and I'm quoting him now, this is not what Arizonans want, and women could die because of it. Yet, again, extremist politicians, like Kari Lake, are forcing themselves into doctor's offices and ripping away the right for women to make their own health care decisions, end quote. What kind of impact could this have on this closely watched Senate race?

AXELROD: You know, Alyssa referred to this, I think, a very, very large impact, because Kari Lake, when she was running for governor, spoke supportively of this 1864 law. She's now trying to distance herself from it, but that's all a matter of public record. It's on videotape, and I think it is a big problem for her in this race. I think that what you're going to see are Republicans scrambling in that state to try and obviate the impact of this ruling because it is a killer, but I don't think you can unring the bell. You can't unring the bell. I think Kari Lake is more fragile as a candidate today than she was yesterday. I think Donald Trump's chances in Arizona have been impacted negatively. I don't think you can unring that bell either.

So, this is a big, big development, Wolf.

BLITZER: A very historic, significant development indeed. To all of you, thank you very much, an important discussion.

Just ahead, a judge in Michigan delivers historic prison sentences to the parents of school shooter Ethan Crumbley.

Plus, there's more breaking news we're watching. President Biden is now speaking out on the war in Gaza and sharing some of his toughest criticism yet of the Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu.

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BLITZER: In Michigan today, a judge handed down unprecedented prison sentences to the parents of school shooter Ethan Crumbley, the ruling coming after very emotional statements from family members of the four classmates Crumbley gunned down back in 2021.

CNN's Jean Casarez is on the story.

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JUDGE CHERYL MATTHEWS, OAKLAND COUNTY CIRCUIT COURT: It is the sense of this court, Ms. Crumbley, that you served 10 to 15 years.

As to defendant James Crumbley, it is the sense of this court that you served 10 to 15 years.

JEAN CASAREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice over): historic sentences handed down for the parents of a teen who killed four students at a Michigan High School in 2021.

MATTHEWS: It is a goal of sentencing to act as a deterrent.

These convictions are not about poor parenting. These convictions confirm repeated acts or lack of acts that could have halted an oncoming runaway train.

CASAREZ: James and Jennifer Crumbley were found guilty of involuntary manslaughter in separate trials earlier this year, the first time parents of a mass school shooter have been held directly accountable for an attack.

On November 30th, 2021, their son killed Madisyn Baldwin, Tate Myre, Justin Shilling, and Hana St. Juliana at Oxford High School, using a gun gifted to him by Jennifer and her husband. CRAIG SHILLING, FATHER OF SCHOOL SHOOTING VICTIM JUSTIN SHILLING: The blood of our children is on your hands too.

CASAREZ: Family of the victims gave statements ahead of the sentencing.

NICOLE BEAUSOLEIL, MOTHER OF SCHOOL SHOOTING VICTIM MADISYN BALDWIN: When you worried about what people thought of you and feeling threatened, I was learning your son threatened my daughter and fatally shot her in the head. While you were hiding, I was planning her funeral. And while you were running away from your son and your responsibilities, I was forced to do the worst possible thing a parent could do. I was forced to say goodbye to my Madisyn.

CASAREZ: The older sister of 14-year-old victim, Hana St. Juliana, says no punishment will ever be enough.

REINA ST. JULIANA, SISTER OF SCHOOL SHOOTING VICTIM HANA ST. JULIANA: I now have to live without Hana, my little sister, my best friend, my other half. To me, that makes the maximum sentence being 15 years too short. Hana didn't even have 15 years to live.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hana's murder has destroyed a large portion of my very soul.

CASAREZ: Both Crumbley spoke up on their own behalf, James Crumbley, for the first time since his trial began.

JENNIFER CRUMBLEY, MOTHER OF SCHOOL SHOOTER ETHAN CRUMBLEY: To the victims and the families, I stand today not to ask for your forgiveness, as I know it may be beyond reach, but to express my sincerest apologies for the pain that has been caused. I will be in my own internal prison for the rest of my life.

JAMES CRUMBLEY, FATHER OF SCHOOL SHOOTER ETHAN CRUMBLEY: I really want the families to know how truly sorry I am and I'll continue to feel this pain for the rest of my life as well. If I could go back and change things, if I could go back and do things differently, and maybe none of us would be here today.

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CASAREZ (on camera): I just got off the phone with the Michigan Department of Corrections, and they tell me they have not yet taken custody of James and Jennifer Crumbley. That is up to Oakland County when they want to give them over to them.

But Jennifer Crumbley will be going to the only women's prison in the state. There will be a 30 to 60-day assessment of her. James Crumbley will be taken to the Charles E. Egeler Guidance Center for his assessment. At the end of those 60 days, he will be put at one of the male prisons in the state. He will not, however, be able to go to the same prison as his son, Ethan. Wolf?

BLITZER: All right. Jean Casarez is reporting for us, Jean, thank you very much. Coming up, President Biden just shared some of his sharpest criticism yet of the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's approach to the war with Hamas.

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Stand by for that.

Plus, more on the political battle over abortion rights as the Arizona Supreme Court upholds a near total abortion ban. One of Georgia's most prominent Democrats, Stacey Abrams, joins us to discuss the breaking news. That's next.

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BLITZER: Breaking news, President Biden is unleashing some of his harshest and sharpest criticism yet of the Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, and the way he's conducting the war against Hamas in Gaza.

Our Senior White House Correspondent M.J. Lee has details for us.

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M.J. what did the president say during this new interview just released by Univision?

M.J. LEE, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Wolf, President Biden is issuing a blunt and blanket criticism of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and the war that he is waging in Gaza, calling it a mistake.

Now, this is significant, because while we've heard some tough words from President Biden in recent weeks about specific aspects of this war, including on humanitarian aid and the civilian death toll in Gaza, this marks such explicit criticism of the overall approach that the Prime Minister is taking in Gaza.

And before we play the clip, I just want to make an important note about when this Univision interview was taped. It was taped just on the heels of the deaths of the seven World Central Kitchen workers that, of course, drew such widespread condemnation. Take a look.

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JOE BIDEN, U.S. PRESIDENT: I think what he's doing is a mistake. I don't agree with his -- I think it's outrageous that those four -- three vehicles were hit by drones and taken out on a highway where it wasn't -- like it was along the shore, it wasn't like there was a convoy moving in, et cetera.

So, what I'm calling for is for the Israelis to just call for a ceasefire, allow for the next six, eight weeks, total access to all food and medicine going into the country.

I think there's no excuse to not provide for the medical and the food needs of those people. They should be done now. (END VIDEO CLIP)

LEE: And, Wolf, I should note the interviewer asked President Biden prompting this answer whether he believed that the prime minister was more concerned about his own political survival. And we have new reporting from senior administration officials coming into me and our colleague, Alex Marquardt, that they privately believe that Netanyahu's claim from earlier this week, saying that a date has been set for a Rafah ground incursion, is bluster, bluster that is fueled in no small part by his tenuous political standing at home.

We've, of course, seen over the last day or so U.S. officials publicly saying that they've not been told about a date or been given a comprehensive plan. And, again, senior officials are privately saying that they think the comments from the prime minister amount to public bravado at this point. Wolf?

BLITZER: Very interesting and very significant, indeed. M.J. Lee at the White House, thank you very much.

Joining us now, a prominent voice in the Democratic Party, the former Georgia gubernatorial candidate, Stacey Abrams. Stacey, thanks very much for joining us.

I know you're also the author of a thriller entitled, Rogue Justice. It's now out in paperback. There you see the cover. We've seen very deep discontent among Democrats, a lot of Democrats, over Biden's handling of Israel's war in Gaza. Does President Biden calling Netanyahu's approach a mistake, realistically, in your opinion, do anything to repair these divisions?

STACEY ABRAMS, FORMER DEMOCRATIC GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATE: I think it's the beginning of an important set of steps that are being taken, because this has to be read together with the announcements made by Secretary Austin, by Secretary Blinken, but also the requirements that we are seeing being met.

But let's be clear, Israel has the right to defend itself. It has the right to security, but no one is entitled to security at all costs. The unacceptable levels of human destruction have to be -- require accountability. And I think that is what President Biden is saying. The issue is, how do we make it so?

Hamas launched a war on October 7 that took the lives of Israelis, and they had the right to respond. Hamas has put people in danger. But Israel is making choices that exacerbates that danger to unacceptable levels and refuses to allow for any of the humanitarian aid that could mitigate and at least protect those who were innocent in this entire process.

And so I believe that as long as we watch President Biden continue to make strides towards that ceasefire, towards a return to a two-state solution conversation and holding Israel accountable for its actions, I believe that President Biden is making the right moves.

BLITZER: I want to get to the issue of abortion access. It's clearly going to be a key issue in this 2024 campaign. Arizona, as you now know, will soon see a near total abortion ban go into effect from a law that originated during the Civil War.

First of all, Stacey, what's your reaction to that?

ABRAMS: It's an absurdity that continues to demonstrate that Republicans are out of step with Americans. This was a decision made by a Supreme Court, but it is based on a law passed by Republicans, recent law.

We know that Governor Doug Ducey put in place an abortion ban, just as we have one here in Georgia, just as we've seen in Texas and in Mississippi and in Florida.

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We live in a region of the country that is nearly landlocked out of access to healthcare for women. It is an absurdity, it is an abomination, and it should not stand.

And I'm very proud of Governor Hobbs and Attorney General Mayes and their lack of -- their refusal to allow this to put the women of Arizona in danger.

BLITZER: President Biden, at the same time, is also dealing with recent polling showing him losing support among black voters. Our Renee Marsh recently talked with a group of black students in Georgia, your state. I want you to listen to what one of them said. Listen to this.

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MOZN SHORA, SPELLMAN COLLEGE SENIOR: Democrats don't listen us. Joe Biden doesn't care about us.

But students just feel like their vote doesn't matter. They feel no matter what they do, no matter what they do or who they vote for, things are just bad. Biden was -- a lot of people like me personally voted for him because he was the lesser of two evils, but I'm not even sure that's true.

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BLITZER: Now, obviously, Stacey this is not how every or even most black students feel. But in an election this close, every vote certainly matters. So, what do you say to someone like Mozn.

ABRAMS: I was recently at Howard University where I hosted a conversation with students. And prior to that conversation, I helped hand out awards to students who'd written papers. And one student wrote a paper on the lesser of two evils in elections and the call to action for black students in particular.

And what she pointed out and what I would reiterate is that this isn't a question of the lesser of two evil. It is a question of who will do the most to protect and defend Americans, who will defend the right for black students to attend the colleges of their choice, to make certain they have jobs when their time in college ends, for those students who do not have the ability or the opportunity or desire to attend college. Who is going to make certain there's a path to a future?

Joe Biden is doing that work. The responsibility of any campaign is to spread that message, to answer those questions, not to be defensive, but to definitive. What Joe has started over the last four years will continue to grow, but it's going take more time.

Elections are a snapshot. And we know that voting is not magic. Voting is medicine. And the evils and the ills that we see coming out of the Republican Party, from the refusal to expand Medicaid in states like Georgia, to the near-total abortion bans that you see covering 16 states, the attacks on diversity, equity and inclusion that are trying to strip economic access away from so many millions of Americans.

Those are all things that will get exponentially worse under Republicans and can only get better if we return Joe Biden to The White House and we make certain he has a Congress to work with him, not against him, to make improvements for folks like Mozn and for anyone in the United States who wants more for their lives and their families.

BLITZER: Stacey Abrams, thanks very much for joining us. And, once again, her thriller, Rogue Justice, is now available in paperback.

Coming up, we're breaking down the newest ruling on a motion to try to delay Donald Trump's upcoming hush money trial.

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BLITZER: Donald Trump's first criminal trial remains on track to begin on Monday after his latest request for a delay was denied. An appeals court judge refusing today to push back the start date so Trump can challenge the gag order imposed on him in the case.

Let's break it all down with CNN Senior Legal Analyst Elie Honig. Elie, Trump has been rejected now twice in two days for these last- ditch delay tactics over the gag order and the trial venue. Does Trump have a chance with the full appeals court?

ELIE HONIG, CNN SENIOR LEGAL ANALYST: No, I don't think he does, Wolf. As you said, he's already lost the gag order issue twice, and the reason for that is because the gag order is really narrow. All it does is prohibit Donald Trump from making public comments about witnesses, about jurors, and about staff and their family members.

He is still allowed to aggressively criticize the judge, the D.A., the case against him, as he has done over the past week. So, Donald Trump will have a chance to brief this to the full appeals court, but I don't think he's got any chance of winning.

And important to note, Wolf, whatever happens with this gag order will have no impact on the trial start date, because even if Trump somehow succeeds in getting this gag order overturned, you just carry on with the trial without a gag order in place. So, those two things are unconnected.

BLITZER: So, this trial will start next Monday, and CNN, as you know, has obtained the juror questionnaire. How will that guide the lawyers on each side?

HONIG: Well, it's a fascinating and crucial document, Wolf. The first thing I think the lawyers are going to be looking for is bias or partiality. Are these jurors capable of ruling fairly on a case involving a very polarizing figure, positive and negative, in Donald Trump?

And I think the trick for lawyers here is going to be to sort of read between the lines because a lot of jurors, almost all potential jurors say, oh, sure, I can be fair. People don't like to think of themselves as biased. But the trick is looking at some of those other indicators. What types of organizations is the person a part of? What types of political activity have they been involved in to decide whether a potential juror can truly be fair for or against Donald Trump, depending which side you're on here, D.A. or defense.

BLITZER: We'll be watching that on Monday. Elie Honig, thank you very, very much.

Just ahead, exclusive reaction from the family of a man shot and killed by Chicago police as the city releases body camera footage of the fatal encounter.

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BLITZER: The city of Chicago has just released disturbing body camera footage of a traffic stop turned deadly.

CNN's Nick Watt is taking a closer look.

I want to warn our viewers, the video you're about to see is disturbing.

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NICK WATT, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): We're told Dexter Reed was stopped for not wearing a seat belt pulled over by an unmarked police car, then surrounded by plainclothes officers, some were wearing tactical vests, emblazoned with the word "police".

Now, watch what happened.

POLICE OFFICER: Roll the window down. Roll the window down. What are you doing?

DEXTER REED: Doing nothing.

I rolled this one down.

POLICE OFFICER: Rolled that one down, too.

REED: What's going on?

POLICE OFFICER: Hey, don't roll the window up.

REED: I'm not -- OK, OK.

POLICE OFFICER: Do not roll the window up.

REED: OK, I'm not.

POLICE OFFICER: Unlock the doors now. Unlock the doors now!

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POLICE OFFICER: Unlock the doors now!

REED: OK, OK.

POLICE OFFICER: Open the door now! Open the door now! Open the door now!

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POLICE OFFICER: Shots fired, shots fired.

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NICOLE BANKS, DEXTER REED MOTHER: He was just grabbed around in his car. He said, mom (INAUDIBLE) and they killed him. They killed him. They killed him.

WATT: Today, Chicago's Civilian Office of Police Accountability released this video and said this:

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ANDREA KERSTEN, CHIEF ADMINISTRATOR, COPA: Preliminary information and available evidence appears to confirm that Mr. Reed fired first, striking one officer.

WATT: That officer was hit in the forearm. The four other officers we're told then fired around 96 shots at read within just four 41 seconds. Reed got out of the car. Officers continue to fire as he stumbled and after he fell.

Now, we know that by this point, Reed was unarmed. Apparently, those officers did not.

POLICE OFFICER: I don't know where the gun is. I don't know where the gun is.

WATT: A weapon was found later inside the vehicle. Today, his family was shown this footage, then spoke exclusively to CNN's Omar Jimenez. N. BANKS: They shoot them many times. He's already dead. Why you still shooting him like that? They killed my son and they killed me, too.

PORSCHA BANKS, DEXTER REED'S SISTER: And I just wish that I could tell tale. But to see him gunned down, I never ever thought that it'd be him. I never thought that it'd be him.

WATT: Officers are now on 30 days administrative leave.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It will be our job based on the totality of the evidence to determine whether they use of force in this case was beyond that force, which is allowable under the law.

WATT: A major question remains, why was a tactical team in an unmarked vehicle making what were told was just a traffic stop? We don't know the context because there is no audio on that bodycam footage until the officers get out of their car and start talking.

POLICE OFFICER: Roll the window down.

WATT: Then firing.

STEVEN HART, ATTORNEY: There is a problem with policing in this city when five tactical officers jumped out of an unmarked police car brandishing their weapons for a young man wasn't wearing his seat belt.

POLICE OFFICER: Open the door now.

WATT: Don't forget. We're told Reed fired first.

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WATT: Now, Wolf, it's been nearly ten years since the killing of another young Black man in Chicago law, Laquan McDonald, forced change investigations and change on that department. But today, Dexter Reed's family and their lawyer say that change has not gone far enough. They want those so-called tactical units disbanded. So they say something similar to this, doesn't happen to another family -- Wolf.

BLITZER: All right. Nick Watt reporting for us, thank you, Nick, very much.

Coming up, chaos up on Capitol Hill as the House returns to the session, standby for exclusive reaction from a Republican renewing her threat to oust the House Speaker Mike Johnson.

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BLITZER: The House of Representatives is back in session tonight as Speaker Mike Johnson faces renewed threat to his leadership and a Republican conference deeply divided over a slew of very controversial legislations.

Our chief congressional correspondent, Manu Raju, has our report.

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MANU RAJU, CNN CHIEF CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It has not even been six months since Mike Johnson assumed the speakership after Kevin McCarthy's ouster.

Now, the question, how long can Johnson last?

REP. MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE (R-GA): Mike Johnson has completely betrayed our conference. And his leadership cannot be allowed to continue going forward.

RAJU: He's seeing an escalating threat from a fellow Republicans, Marjorie Taylor Greene, who is warning she may call for a vote to remove him, in part over his deal to keep the government open.

GREENE: We are a conference in chaos right now, because our Republican Speaker of the House is passing major bills without the majority of the majority support.

RAJU: And now, issuing this warning, if Johnson plans for a new Ukraine aid package.

GREENE: He's going to make my case for me and he makes it even easier for what I'm trying to do.

RAJU: Johnson is trying to navigate is sharply divided conference all with little margin for error. And soon we'll see his razor thin majority shrink again after another Republican resigns amid the House turmoil, leaving him with just one vote to spare.

But as Ukraine critics warned Johnson not to move ahead, many in both parties say the House's decision to slow walk the aid package could lead to a Russian victory.

SEN. THOM TILLIS (R-NC): But if we don't rearm them then the coalition supporting them will fall apart and it'll be on the hands and people who stand in the way of the supplemental or a viable alternative, if the House can produce it to us, get us something, but inaction is unacceptable.

RAJU: Two months ago, the Senate passed a $95 billion foreign aid package with 22 Republicans voting for it, including Senate GOP leader Mitch McConnell.

SEN. MITCH MCCONNELL (R-KY), MINORITY LEADER: I hope that at some point here, the speaker will put the Senate passed supplement on the floor.

RAJU: Johnson is trying to narrow the Senate's plan and add new border security provisions, all while looking to turn Ukraine aid into a loan, an idea backed by Trump, but one generating skepticism.

SEN. JOSH HAWLEY (R-MO): His positions are ever shifting right on this. So it's a little bit hard to follow what it is day to day. RAJU: It comes as Johnson is grappling with another major dispute

dividing his conference, renewing an expiring law that gives the FBI the power to conduct warrantless surveillance. Still, Johnson could hang on, given many are skeptical about Greene's effort.

REP. MATT GAETZ (R-FL): The last its time I pulled the trigger on a motion to vacate, I could make a true promise to the country that we would not end up with a Democrat speaker of the house. And I fulfilled that promise. And I'm not certain that I could do it again.

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RAJU (on camera): Now, John -- Marjorie Taylor Greene told me that she declined to meet with Speaker Johnson on Friday since she wanted to speak with their constituents first. She said that she would meet with him this week.

She did also, Wolf, speak to Donald Trump earlier this day, but she declined to comment about whether Trump is supporting her effort, but he suggested he is not dissuading her at this time -- Wolf.

BLITZER: All right. Manu Raju, reporting for us. Manu, thanks very much.

And to our viewers, thanks for watching. I'm Wolf Blitzer in THE SITUATION ROOM.

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