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Judge Temporarily Blocks National Guard from Portland; Trump; Administration Targets Chicago, Other Cities in Crime Crackdown; Delegations in Egypt for Israel-Hamas Talks on Ceasefire Plan. Aired 10-10:30a ET

Aired October 06, 2025 - 10:00   ET

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PAMELA BROWN, CNN ANCHOR: Happening now, temporarily blocked. A judge says troops can't be deployed to Oregon, but the National Guard will soon be heading to Chicago. At any moment, the Chicago mayor will weigh in.

Plus, we're on Capitol Hill where House Speaker Mike Johnson is expected to speak as the shutdown drags on. We're going to bring that to you live/

And ceasefire talks, Israeli and Hamas negotiators and delegations are in Egypt for those negotiations, the major sticking points from both sides as President Trump's obliteration threat looms.

Welcome to our viewers in the United States and around the world. I'm Pamela Brown. Wolf. Blitzer has the morning off, and you are in The Situation Room.

Happening now, the National Guard is blocked temporarily from any deployment in Portland, Oregon. A federal judge appointed by President Trump stopped his administration's efforts to send more troops there last night for a second time in as many days, this amid escalating tensions between protesters and federal agents right outside the city's ICE detention center.

And it's a different story in Chicago. That's where President Trump authorized 300 members of the Illinois National Guard, and Texas, for its part, is vowing to send its guard troops to Illinois. The White House says the operations are aimed at protecting federal officers and assets during anti-ICE protests, all despite city and state leaders' objections. Expect to hear from the Chicago mayor any minute now.

Let's go live to CNN's Alayna Treene at the White House and Whitney Wild in Chicago. So, Alayna, I want to start with you. What are you learning about the administration's efforts in Portland and other cities it could look to next?

ALAYNA TREENE, CNN WHITE HOUSE REPORTER: Yes. I think, look, I think one of the biggest things to note about all of this, Pamela, is that when they started to mobilize troops and federal law enforcement agents to Los Angeles and to Washington, D.C., it got a lot of attention, but people weren't sure how widespread that would be. We are learning now just how big the Trump administration is viewing this. They want to send them into several cities, and we're seeing that happen in real time now. But the courts are getting in the way, like we've seen in the past.

And just to go back to what you said, we now know that a federal judge and I think a lot of people's eyes are going to be on the appeals courts today because she's stopping the latest attempt by the Trump administration to send the U.S. military into American cities.

And you mentioned kind of the breakdown of some of this, but her first ruling on Saturday was that the Trump administration could not deploy the Oregon National Guard to go to Portland. So, then what the Trump administration tried to do was calling the National Guards of California and Texas and to send them to Oregon, but also some other cities as well, you mentioned Chicago. And that's when the judge essentially said, you know, I think you're trying to circumvent my order. That's what she said in a hearing last night when temporarily pausing those deployments of the National Guard.

But I want to read to you what we heard from the statement in a statement from Oregon's governor, because, as you mentioned, they are pushing back heavily on this. He said, quote, the rule of law must stand. This is not just about Oregon or a handful of states anymore. It's about the integrity of our democracy. President Trump's actions are an effort to occupy and incite cities and states that don't share his politics, and I believe that we should expect him to continue to push the limits of his authority.

That's in contrast, Pamela, with what we're hearing from the White House, which are arguing that they need to protect these cities from violent protests, which is, very quickly, one other thing is that this isn't just about protests on immigration facilities and ICE facilities. From my reporting and my conversations with White House officials, they say a lot of this is, of course, about his domestic crime crackdown as well, and that is where some of the legality of this can also get kind of tricky.

BROWN: All right. So, let's bring in Whitney, because you're in Chicago, Whitney, and it was a chaotic weekend there.

WHITNEY WILD, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT CORRESPONDENT: That's right. The Customs and Border Protection and Border Patrol agents were, as DHS says, attacked over the weekend. They say that they were conducting an operation when they were rammed by multiple vehicles, ten vehicles in total. Two people are now in custody after Border Patrol agents actually shot one of the drivers of one of those vehicles.

What you're seeing on your screen here is the aftermath of that. There was this, you know, protest formed around where this happened. There was, at one point, when law enforcement detonated what you're seeing here with this, which is law non-lethal munitions, there is a bit of a discrepancy here, Pamela, about what the Chicago Police Department's role was. And they initially seemed to back off. Then they did come back to the scene. So, that is an open question about what the relationship was with those DHS assets and Chicago Police Department under the Trust Act.

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And so, certainly, we expect to hear more about what local officials here think the role of local law enforcement is when there's a critical incident involving DHS agents.

Moving forward, Pamela, what local law enforcement and the governor has made very clear is that the moment that they think they have standing, they are going to fight in court any deployment of the National Guard here. Here's more from Illinois Governor J.B. Pritzker.

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GOV. J.B. PRITZKER (D-IL): And what happens in these sorts of incidences, typically, ICE puts out a press release before anybody else can speak with the press, and then it gets reported on social media and elsewhere.

So, here, it's really hard to know exactly what the facts are, and they won't let us access the facts. They are just putting out their propaganda. And then we've got to later determine what actually happened.

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WILD: Pam, that is in reference to the incident that happened on Saturday. You know, the other -- I think what the governor's comment really illustrates here is that there is no communication between locals and the feds. This is a major problem. And this, you know, lack of communication is something that, you know, the governor has, you know, said is really hindering his ability to even know, you know, if the National Guard is going to come out, when they're going to come out and how many assets they're going to bring, Pam.

BROWN: Yes. Those are important questions that should be answered.

Whitney Wild, Alayna Treene, thank you so much.

Happening now, investigators are coming through the rubble after a fire at the home of a South Carolina judge. The house, as you see, was engulfed in flames over the weekend. It was the home of State Circuit Court Judge Diane Goodstein and her husband, Arnold Goodstein, a former South Carolina State senator. Fire officials said people inside there had to be rescued with kayaks because the house is so hard to get to. Three people were taken to the hospital. No updates yet on what started that fire.

And happening now, delegations from Israel and Hamas are in Egypt for negotiations focused on President Trump's ceasefire plan. The president has called on Israel to stop its bombing temporarily. This morning, as you see smoke seen rising over Central Gaza, at least 100 Palestinians have been killed just since Friday when President Trump told Israel to stop the bombing. There are several sticking points in these talks. Israel's demanding that Hamas, his arm, Hamas, is pushing for a role in any new governing body for Gaza, and Hamas wants guarantees of safe passage for senior Hamas officials leaving the territory. The safe passage guarantee is particularly sensitive given Israel's recent targeting of Hamas leaders.

And tomorrow, of course, marks two years since the Hamas terror attack on Israel that ignited this war. And here is a side-by-side comparison. On the left, as you see, Gaza before the war, on the right Gaza in ruins, the stark contrast, a reminder of the stakes of these talks.

I now want to go to House Speaker Mike Johnson, who's talking about the government shutdown. Let's listen in.

REP. MIKE JOHNSON (R-LA): -- the facts, but it's always good when the facts and the evidence are on your side. And I don't want you to listen to the arguments of politicians. If you're watching at home, I want you to look at the real facts, and I'm going to try to hear in a very abbreviated summary manner to present those to you, and the facts are very clear.

Okay, so the first fact is by way of reminder, how did we get here? Why is Washington tied into a knot right now? Well, I became speaker almost two years ago and I was frustrated, as most rank and file members of Congress are, frustrated about how Congress really doesn't work that well for the American people. That's why people are frustrated about it. We don't spend money responsibly here. We haven't for many years.

And the reason for that is because, typically, for the annual funding of the government, it's done in a backroom. Literally, there's a deal made by the top four leaders in Congress, and that's hoisted upon the members usually at the end of the year, right before a holiday and an omnibus spending bill. Sometimes the bills are thousands of pages long, and it's always said that few members have fully read it or understood it. That's largely true because they weren't involved in the process.

So, when I became a speaker, I've been doggedly determined to make this House and the Senate work again, to do right by the American people, to get the process to rebuild the muscle memory, to get back to the way it was supposed to work. And what does that mean? It means that Congress is supposed to carefully deliberate over 12 separate appropriations bills every year. Why? Because we divide the spending of the taxpayers funds into 12 categories so that everybody can go through that.

And all the elected members, the duly elected representatives of the people can come here and have a debate and a discussion. We do that through the Appropriations Committee, who are -- they're the specialist on it, the members of the House and Senate who work on it around the clock, 365, all -- every day of the year.

[10:10:04] And then they put together a product. It goes to the full body in the House, and then the full body in the Senate. And they work on that together and they come up with the most efficient and effective way that they can build consensus around to spend the taxpayers' funds.

Well, we started that process back this year and I'm so proud to tell you that we're rebuilding the muscle memory. It's like pushing a boulder uphill, but we've got it done. And we worked 12 separate appropriations bills through the House Appropriations Committee. I mean, they worked hard in a bipartisan fashion, Republicans and Democrats. They worked on it steadily. We got three of those bills on the floor. We debated them on the floor. We passed them on the House floor, and we sent that over to the Senate. Meanwhile, the Senate passed three of their own bills off the floor. That hasn't happened around here in many years.

And all of that process that I just described takes a lot of time and a lot of work and energy and effort. And our appropriators, while they're working in good faith, they ran out of time. Why? Because the end of the fiscal year is September 30th, not December 31. And so the clock was just running out.

So, what we did, because Republicans are in charge of both houses right now is the responsible thing. Leader Thune in the Senate and I in the House, we sat down with our appropriators and we said, let's come up with a simple stopgap measure to keep the lights on and keep the government open so that appropriators can finish this very healthy process for the people they represent.

And so we put together a very simple, clean continuing resolution. Why do we say it's clean? Because there's nothing to it. It's 24 pages. It's the bare minimum. It just says keep the status quo, which, by the way, for all my Democrat friends, is the Biden era policies and spending that we haven't been able to fix yet. We're in the process of getting appropriations done to repair all that, but we needed more time to do it.

So, in a bipartisan fashion, Democrats and Republicans got together and said, you know what, fine let's extend this until November 21st. The Democrats in the House agreed to that. That was the date. We put that bill on the floor. We passed it out of the House in bipartisan fashion. And we sent it over to the Senate.

Well, now we expected, I thought, that Chuck Shimmer would do what he's always done. The man has served in Congress three-fourths of my life, I think, and he has given impassioned speeches over the year, most recently in March of this year, that you have to fund continued resolutions. You can't shut the government down because it's irresponsible and painful for the American people. He was right in March. He is not right today, which leads me to fact number two.

Fact number one was how he got here. Fact number two is why are we in this mess? Why did Chuck Schumer change his tune and why is he now saying exactly the opposite of what he said six months ago? A picture's worth 10,000 words, okay? This is a copy of the Washington Examiner. Zoom in on that, all right. If you can't see this at home, I just had this on my desk on a big stack and I found it.

This is March. This is published March of 2025, March 26th, exactly. It's a picture of Chuck Schumer looking very upset, very angry, walking out with a box, and all the House Democrats depicted their character. See that he's the enemy of democracy. Why? Why is he an enemy of democracy? Because the far left base in the Democratic Party has turned on Chuck Schumer because he did the responsible thing to get the lights on. Why? Because they want him to show a fight against President Trump.

So, Schumer doesn't want to be in this situation again. So, he said, my gosh, he got his staff together and he got the far left wing of the party. He said, what do you want? What do you want me to fight on? So, they created a red herring. A red herring is a distraction. They decided that they would pick a fight on healthcare.

Let me look right into the camera and tell you very clearly. Republicans are the ones concerned about healthcare. Republicans are the party working around the clock every day to fix healthcare. We're not -- this is not talking points for us. We've done it. A big part of the one big, beautiful bill, the working family's tax cut, was to fix healthcare.

Healthcare is broken in America, it's too expensive. The quality of care needs to rise. We need more access for more people and we have lots of ideas to do that. But that issue is for debate in the next few three months. It always was. We have members working on that. The tax credit, the subsidy you've heard about that expires December 31st, there's a lot of thoughtful debate and discussion. That has already been going on about that and will go on about that, but that's a December 31 issue.

So, Chuck Schumer is scrambling. He has to have an issue. He has none of their policies are very popular, so they decided to lob onto healthcare. And he decided to claim to all of you that that is the issue with government funding. It is not. They're two totally separate things. The clean continuing resolution would simply keep the lights on so that the members in the House and Senate can have those debates on healthcare.

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We were always planning, and we have lots of ideas on the table on how to fix it, but we don't yet have consensus on it because it's very complicated. We have time to do it. The month of October is a critically important time for us to get the House and Senate working on that very issue, but they're delaying it because they needed a red herring.

So, in his desperation, we get to fact number three. In his desperation, they decided to create the red herring. They decided to claim that this is all about healthcare, which the September funding issue never was. That's a December policy issue. He tried to create it as a September funding issue. And in his desperation, they hastily filed an outrageous counterproposal. It is a wild wish list of big government liberal nonsense that we can't do, their priorities that they crammed into this.

Now, remember, a simple seven-week stopgap funding measure, the C.R. that we passed out of the House in bipartisan fashion was sent over, and Chuck Schumer filed a counterproposal. Now, this is his words, not mine. These are not Republican talking points. These are the facts. Two exhibits real quick, because I've shown you before, this is page 57, an excerpt of his bill, Section 2141, where you see that right there that they want to re repeal the health subtitle of the big, beautiful bill, the one big, beautiful bill the Republicans got signed in a law July 4th, the Working Families Tax Cut.

We're so proud of that because it has so many amazing things for all the American people, a marquee piece of legislation, but among the most important were the reforms that we did to healthcare. Why? Because Medicaid, for example, is broken. Medicaid doesn't work well, it's underfunded, and it was full of fraud, waste, and abuse. And we took our opportunity to fix that, and we did.

So, what did we do? We went into Medicaid and we said, we got to stop the waste and abuse. We got to make sure that illegal aliens are not on Medicaid. Medicaid is intended for U.S. citizens only, not illegals who break our law and come over the border. And we've got to make sure that young able-bodied men who do not have dependence are working and not riding the wagon.

Work is good for individuals. It's good for the communities they live in. It's good for their own wellbeing and for the people around them. And so we said, don't sit on your couch and play video games. By the way, also not a talking point. It was an AEI study. I think one of the organizations that pulled this, and most of these young men who are not working, are sitting around literally playing video games. Get back to work. So, we put that in the law.

And the big thing was making sure that an estimated 1.4 million illegal aliens are no longer riding that wagon either. Why? Because Medicaid had to be strengthened. Medicaid is intended for the elderly, the disabled, and young pregnant women, as I use an example, who are in difficult situations. They need the resources desperately, but the resources are being drained by people who were never intended to be there. And so Republicans got busy and fixed it. We put it in the big, beautiful bill.

So, back to fact number three. I guess I'm still on Chuck Schumer, files a counterproposal and says, we want to reverse all that. Well, among the effects, among the things that he would reverse is putting illegal aliens back on the program. Don't take my word for it. Look at the evidence over here at Exhibit B. This is the list of the actual provisions that would be reversed if Chuck Schumer's language was voted on and passed.

Among those, we would -- it would end -- see, these are the provisions, the Working Families Tax Act, these are the provisions of our bill that did each of these things. We ended Medicaid funding for most non-citizens. They would reverse that. And it would cost American taxpayers, hardworking Americans, an estimated $6.2 billion. And you see, you just go down the list. The California loophole, you know what they did in California, Gavin Newsom and the team out in California? They expanded Medicaid to cover all able-bodied, illegal alien adults, these men who could be working or whatever. I mean, they're not even citizens, never intended by Congress, they put that on the tab of the taxpayer. And so we reversed it. Chuck Schumer would repeal that. He would repeal those repairs.

And this is what it would cost. You do the math, it won't go through each line, but it's on the website speaker.gov, you can pull this up, it amounts to $192 billion, $192.8 billion, so almost $200 billion that Chuck Schumer wants to put back in.

Also, by the way, while he's repealing our health subtitle, he would also repeal the $50 billion that Republicans put into the bill to support our rural hospitals around the country. Why would Chuck Schumer do that? Because --

BROWN: All right. You've been listening to House Speaker Mike Johnson making his case about why the government is shut down, putting the blame on Democrats, saying that the fact that Democrats say that they're shutting down the government because of the -- or not going with the C.R. because of the ACA subsidies is a red herring.

I want to bring in Arlette Saenz to join us.

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Arlette, what are the facts here and what are Democrats saying to this?

ARLETTE SAENZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, really, right now, what we are hearing from both Speaker Mike Johnson and Democratic leadership is them engaging in this messaging war over who is to blame for this current shutdown. What Republicans are arguing is that they believe that any negotiations about extending those expiring Obamacare subsidies, which is really central to Democratic arguments and demands, that those discussions can't happen until the government is reopened. And as Speaker Johnson pointed out, he, they believe that this is an issue that can be handled a little bit later down the road. Those subsidies are set to expire on December 31st at the end of the year.

So, what Republicans, like Speaker Johnson, are arguing is Democrats need to reopen the government and allow the work to continue to negotiate for actual negotiations to begin about how to extend or possibly reform those enhanced Obamacare subsidies.

But Democrats, meanwhile, are arguing that those conversations need to happen right now, and that is because Americans, this very month, will start to receive notice of how much their healthcare premiums are going to increase if those Obamacare subsidies are not extended. So, they want to make sure that Americans are able to factor in what their healthcare will look like. Democrats want to see those extended permanently. Republicans, some have said that they want to see an extension, some want some reforms to the program. But that's really at the heart of the debate right now, is both sides remain locked in with no negotiations in sight for how to end this shutdown.

BROWN: All right. Arlette Saenz, thank you so much.

I want to bring in our CNN Chief Data Analyst Harry Enten to look at the polling of this blame game. I mean, you're hearing these messaging wars, right, Harry. Walk us through what the numbers are saying about who Americans are blaming right now.

HARRY ENTEN, CNN CHIEF DATA REPORTER: Yes, I just saw the speaker up there trying to place the blame on Democrats, but I got to be honest with you, you look at the polling data and they simply put not buying Speaker Johnson's arguments. What are we talking about? Well, why don't we just look. Blame more for the 2025 shutdown, normally, when you see Republican on the screen, that's a good thing because they're leading.

But in this case it's a bad thing because more Americans are blaming them for the shutdown. And you can see it's a sweep across the board. You look at the New York Times poll, blame Republicans more by seven points. How about the CBS poll that came out yesterday, blame Republicans, more by nine points. How about the Marist University poll? Blame Republicans more by 12 points. And then the Washington Post poll takes the cake, blaming Republicans more by 17 points. You average it all together and we're talking about a double digit margin in which more Americans are blaming the Republicans than the Democrats.

Now, perhaps that shouldn't be so surprising to students of history. Why? Because we've had a number of shutdowns in the past, and which party almost always, or basically always seems to get blamed, it's the Republican Party that always seems to get blamed, whether it's the '95, '96 shutdowns, 2013, of the 2018, 2019 shutdowns.

And more importantly, what I think is so important is we are still at the beginning of this shutdown, right? What happens right now in the polling may not necessarily hold going forward, but historically speaking, what we've actually seen is that the party that gets blamed at the start of the shutdowns, '95, '96, 2013, 2018, 2019, is the same party that gets blamed by the end of the shutdown.

So, at this point, more Americans are blaming the Republicans than the Democrats. And historically speaking that margin, those margins have tended to hold.

BROWN: That's interesting. So, how many Americans dislike both sides here? You show the Republican side that right now Americans are blaming Republicans, but, overall, what about both sides?

ENTEN: Yes. Okay. So, you know, we're talking -- you know, we saw the margins, you know, right here where more folks are blaming Republicans than Democrats, but, of course, what about people who don't like either side, right? What about this? So, blame more for the shutdown. Look, you get Republicans at 39 percent, Democrats at 27 percent, but both sides equally, we're talking about a third of the American people, basically, 30 percent on the average poll who are blaming both sides equally. So, this is not a case in which the American public is loving the arguments that Democrats are putting forward. It's more that they hate the Republicans more, and if given the choice, what we're really talking about is a majority of the -- or a large portion of the American public who don't like really either side in this situation. So, the American people, I think, kind of just feel like losers in this situation.

BROWN: Is there any indication why Americans are more likely to blame Republicans for a shutdown, even if, historically, as you showed in those numbers, it hasn't always been the Republicans in charge but yet they still get the blame? Any indication why?

ENTEN: Yes. Look, I think what's so important to recognize here is that, look, historically speaking, Republicans get the blame. But also what are we talking about? I think at this particular point, we're seeing who is instigating the shutdown and whether or not this thing is really going to last for a long period of time.

And what I'll just say in this situation, what Americans want pre- shutdown, what we're talking about is 49 percent now in 2025 say they want their side to stand on principle.

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So, we really have both sides locked in versus, historically, people want compromise, but now we're really split. So, I expect this thing to just go on and on and on.

BROWN: And as a result, you have federal workers who won't potentially get, you know, their paychecks and this could really impact Americans.

All right, Harry Enten, thank you so much.

ENTEN: Thank you.

BROWN: Still ahead, hikers left stranded by a blizzard on Mount Everest and forced a trek through knee-deep snow. The latest on the rescue efforts.

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