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Tape Claims al Qaeda Responsible for Bombings; Firefighters Killed in Pittsburgh Church Fire; Iraq War: A Year Later

Aired March 14, 2004 - 09:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


HEIDI COLLINS, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning, everyone. This is CNN SUNDAY MORNING. I'm Heidi Collins. It is 9 a.m. on the East Coast, and if you're just waking up on the West Coast, yes, it is early, 6 a.m. Thanks for being here with us today, everybody.
Well, here's what we're planning for you this hour.

Al Qaeda claims responsibility for the terror in Madrid and says there will be more. We go live to Spain in just a moment.

Two brave Americans become the first U.S. civilians to be killed by insurgents in Iraq. What made them go there? Their families join us to tell us their emotional stories.

And switching gears now, got any parking tickets you need to get rid of? Well, we're going to tell you how to get away without showing up in court.

But first, we're going to give you the headlines at this hour.

In Spain, voters are headed to the polls right now in the country's national elections, just days after the terrorist attacks that left 200 people dead.

Meanwhile, in the aftermath of those train attacks, authorities are grilling five suspects and investigating a videotape in which a man claims al Qaeda is responsible and threatens more attacks.

Voters in Russia are also at the polls, casting ballots in a presidential election. President Vladimir Putin is expected to win easily, but he made a final appeal for a good turnout, hoping for a mandate during a new four-year term as president.

Meanwhile, Russia's foreign minister warned Georgia today not to use force against the autonomous Adzharia region. The statement said in case of crisis, responsibility will lie within the Georgian leadership.

A rash of roadside bombings in Iraq this weekend has left six U.S. soldiers dead. In the latest incident just hours ago, a blast killed a 1st Infantry Division soldier in Baghdad.

Earlier three from the 1st Armored division were killed in Baghdad, and two from the 1st Infantry Division died in Tikrit. And a judge in Gaza orders the release of four Palestinians. They were detained in an October bombing that killed three American members of a security detail and wounded a fourth. The roadside bomb exploded as U.S. diplomats traveled through Gaza, interviewing students for Fulbright scholarships.

Authorities in Spain are grilling five suspects in Thursday's commuter train bombings that killed 200 people. In this latest development now, Spanish authorities say they cannot identify a man on a videotape who claims al Qaeda was responsible for the bombings.

Peace demonstrators were inside the streets of Madrid this weekend, protesting the bombings.

And voting is under way right now in Spain's national elections. Details on all these developments now from CNN correspondent Diana Muriel in Madrid.

Diana, we were hearing a little bit about the possibility that the Popular Party may have known or had at least a little bit of information that this attack on the trains was going to happen. Are you hearing anything about that?

DIANA MURIEL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: We haven't had any confirmation on that from the interior ministry.

The interior minister, Angel Acebes, been speaking once again live on Spanish television. He's responding to criticism that the government has not been forthcoming with information relating to Thursday's terrorist attacks.

Of course, the government in the first instance said that they believed it was ETA, which is the Basque separatist group, once an independent state in the northwest of Spain, which has been branded a terrorist organization by the United States and the European Union, amongst others.

They first of all blamed ETA. Subsequently their investigation has turned towards the possibility that Islamic militants may have been behind it.

We had this videotape that was recovered by police here in Madrid on Saturday. They've been looking at that tape, as a man speaking on it is speaking in Arabic with a Moroccan accent and he has identified himself as a spokesperson for al Qaeda in Europe.

Now, the authorities here, according to the interior ministry, have been talking with colleagues in France and in Britain and in Portugal to see if they can help them identify the man or identify the organization that he says he comes from, Abu Dujan al Afgani. So far they have drawn a blank, but those inquiries are continuing.

With regards to the five detainees, we're getting some information that it's possible that three of the detainees, and we don't know which ones, had prior police records. But the government is continuing to -- rather the police authorities here are continuing to speak to them, to investigate them with regards to the contents of a backpack which had a mobile telephone in it which may or may not be involved with the terrorist incident.

Of course, it was backpacks operated by remote-controlled timers with mobile phones that exploded in some of those bombs that went off here on Thursday -- Heidi.

COLLINS: Diana Muriel, reporting live for us this morning. Diana, thanks so much. We'll wait to hear more about who that man might be.

A tribute in London this morning to the victims of the Madrid bombings. The Spanish national anthem was played during the changing of the guard at Buckingham Palace. Spain's ambassador attended the ceremony.

And we are asking what you think this morning. Does the threat of terror make you think twice about traveling? Send responses to wam@CNN.com. And we, of course, will read some of them later on this hour.

Closer to home now, memories of fallen firefighters in a burned down church are all that remain after a deadly fire in Pittsburgh.

CNN's Adaora Udoji has been following the story all morning. She joins us live with the very latest.

Adaora, hello once again.

ADAORA UDOJI, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Heidi.

All morning we've been watching firefighters come through here, the Ebenezer Baptist Church, obviously, on what must be a terribly sad day.

The building is, in fact, still smoldering, which is a real testament to the intensity of the fire that ripped through here yesterday.

As you said, two veteran firefighters were killed yesterday, both of them in their 50s. They were apparently inside the church, looking for hot spots when the bell tower fell.

Altogether, 31 firefighters were injured, seven seriously enough to be hospitalized. Federal investigators, along with local arsonist investigators, are looking into the cause.

There are reports that perhaps it may have been started by electrical problems.

Of course, the fire's also devastating to the 2,500 members of the congregation. This is Pittsburgh's largest and oldest black church. It's certainly a strong cornerstone of the black community here.

Its pastor of 31 years, who was here yesterday, said it was devastating to watch the fire unfold. He said they are praying for the families of the firefighters and that they will rebuild.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

REV. J.V.A. WINSETT, EBENEZER BAPTIST CHURCH: We've got to make plans starting tomorrow to rebuild, because we want to rebuild. We own that property there, the property next door.

UDOJI: You want to rebuild right here?

WINSETT: Right there.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

UDOJI: This morning the congregation is worshipping at a nearby church that opened their doors. And again, they said they will be praying for the families of those firefighters -- Heidi.

COLLINS: Along with many other people across the country, I'm sure. Adaora Udoji, thanks so much.

One year ago this week, coalition forces launched air strikes on Iraq, signaling the start of the war.

CNN's Jamie McIntyre tells us about some of the lessons the Pentagon has learned about Iraq since then.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

JAMIE MCINTYRE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Before going to war against Saddam Hussein, the U.S. knew more about Iraq than any previous adversary.

After all, it defeated Iraq's army in 1991, patrolled its no-fly zones for a decade, and had access to intelligence from U.N. inspectors on the ground.

But there was a lot the U.S. didn't know and didn't foresee.

Last summer, with U.S. casualties mounting, the Pentagon was still in denial that after winning the major combat phase of the war, it was facing what its own dictionary defined as guerrilla warfare.

DONALD RUMSFELD, SECRETARY OF DEFENSE: I knew I should have. I could die that I didn't look it up.

MCINTYRE (on camera): Paramilitary operation conducted in enemy held or hostile territory by a regular (UNINTELLIGIBLE) indigenous forces. This seems to fit a lot of what's going on.

RUMSFELD: It really doesn't.

MCINTYRE (voice-over): More than 500 Americans have died in Iraq, almost half from hostile fire since the end of major combat.

Another big reality check came when the U.S. got a firsthand look at Iraq's decrepit infrastructure. Electricity and water plants were suffering from years of neglect.

RICK BARTON, CENTER FOR STRATEGIC INTERNATIONAL STUDIES: Part of it had been the sanctions. Part of it had been the gross and constant mismanagement of the Saddam Hussein regime.

MCINTYRE: Rick Barton led a team of experts from the Center for Strategic International Studies on an inspection tour in Iraq last summer. They found the biggest miscalculation was what it would take to provide security.

BARTON: You have to start off strong and our inability to provide for public safety initially has created a complication that we've ended up having to live with.

MCINTYRE: Despite the Pentagon's insistence that looting was inevitable and that more U.S. troops would have only meant more U.S. targets, Barton and other experts argue having additional forces early on to secure armories and collect weapons might have made a big difference.

And then there was the flawed idea that oil-rich Iraq could pay its own way quickly.

PAUL WOLFOWITZ, DEPUTY DEFENSE SECRETARY: We're dealing with a country that can really finance its own reconstruction and relatively soon.

MCINTYRE (on camera): While oil production is approaching prewar levels and exports have already brought in some $6 billion, that's still a fraction of the estimated $100 billion needed to put Iraq back on its feet.

Jamie McIntyre, CNN, the Pentagon.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

COLLINS: Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld will talk more about the Iraq war one year later this afternoon on CNN's LATE EDITION WITH WOLF BLITZER. It all begins at noon eastern.

Two brave American civilians killed in Iraq. Their families tell their stories. That's coming up.

Plus, gay rights. This time being played out on the golf course.

(WEATHER UPDATE)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

COLLINS: OK. You may have just gotten up, but if you have a busy week ahead, you'll want to stock up on sleep. Sure, that's easy to do, right? CNN's Richard Quest will tell you why when CNN SUNDAY MORNING continues.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

COLLINS: In Washington, Missouri Congressman Dick Gephardt was among the VIPs last night at a gay and lesbians awards ceremony.

Gephardt said he and his wife were proud to attend as a show of support for their daughter, Chrissy, and her partner.

The former presidential candidate lashed out at Bush's support for a constitutional amendment to prohibit same-sex marriage.

Well, if new polls are any indication it's going to be remain an uphill battle for anyone trying to legalize gay and lesbian marriages. According to a CNN/"USA Today"/Gallup poll last week, 61 percent of those interviewed say gay marriages should not be recognized as valid.

The issue of gay marriages is one of the year's hottest topics. In Atlanta, some people say gay couples do not enjoy the same rights and privileges as married couples, even on the golf course.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

RANDY NEW, MEMBER, DRUID HILL GOLF CLUB: It makes me mad, because there's really no logical reason for the club not to do this other than prejudice.

COLLINS (voice-over): Atlanta attorney Randy New is an avid golfer, a member of the Druid Hill golf club, and he's gay.

NEW: This is not a bridge club.

COLLINS: This golf club costs $50,000 to join and $600 a month. But married couples pay only one membership fee. Spouses are free.

But since gay couples are not allowed to marry in Georgia, gay partners have to pay full price, an extra $50,000.

DR. LEE KYSER, MEMBER, DRUID HILLS GOLF COURSE: I'm a human being like you and like anybody over there. And I have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. And I'm not giving that up to anybody.

COLLINS: New and golfing buddy Lee Kyser are in long-term relationships, have filed with the city as domestic partners and say they would marry if they could.

But as far as the Druid Hills Golf Club is concerned, that's not enough. They are still considered single.

Because Georgia is one of four states without an anti- discrimination law, New and Kyser filed a complaint with Atlanta's Human Relations Commission.

KYSER: I'm 57 years old, and I grew up in Augusta, Georgia, and I'm a lesbian woman. This is not the first time I have faced people not seeing my benefits.

COLLINS: The mayor of Atlanta asked the two sides to sit down with a mediator.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We don't believe we are discriminating. We don't want to discriminate.

COLLINS: Richard Lindh heads the club's membership committee. He says it's a matter of fairness. Everyone's treated the same. Single straight people follow the same rules as single gay people.

And according to Georgia state law, marriage is defined as between a man and a woman.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have a standing policy of nondiscrimination in this club and have had for years and years. We have black members and members from other religious faiths, members of all walks of life, and we encourage them to come and be members here at Druid Hills, and we always have.

COLLINS: Druid Hills is a private club that operates with a liquor license that could be revoked by the city.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are in a private club format. People join this club on their own. They wanted to do it. And most of the members of our club want a quiet, simple life inside this club. They want to play golf and play tennis and other recreational activities with their families.

NEW: In the end, you're going to find that things like this trip you up. You can't paper around this. You can't lawyer around this. It's a group of people who have some control over a portion of your life.

COLLINS: For members, straight or gay, it's about the simple things in life.

(on camera) You want to play golf?

KYSER: Oh, golf is a part of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

COLLINS: Atlanta mayor Shirley Franklin asked the two parties to talk to a mediator, and both sides agreed.

At stake here could be the club's Atlanta liquor license, something the city says it has a right to take away if there's a violation of the Human Relations Ordinance.

Druid Hills officials say that is a matter for the courts to decide.

Well, are you just sick and tired of getting parking tickets? Well, now there's a web site that offers to help you beat them. We'll have the details when CNN SUNDAY MORNING continues.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

COLLINS: Our top stories now.

Memorials and mourning in Madrid today as the nation remembers the 200 people killed in Thursday's terrorist attacks. Authorities are questioning five suspects, and they're looking at a videotape in which a man claims al Qaeda is responsible and threatens more attacks.

Back here in the states, firefighters in Pittsburgh are mourning the loss of two of their own. They were killed yesterday when a bell tower collapsed on them during a fire at a church. 31 firefighters were injured.

(WEATHER REPORT)

COLLINS: Well, if you just can't get enough rest or there's a big week of business travel coming up on Monday, well, frequent travelers often find they never get the eight hours of sleep the experts say we all need.

CNN's Richard Quest went in quest of the effects of travel, stress and sleep.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Checking Sydney skies and showers early on, then mostly sunny, up to 24 in the city.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All this for the concerns of workers.

RICHARD QUEST, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The hardened traveler loves to hear the words "Welcome to Sydney." It usually means you're at the end of a very long trip.

Last night luck was on my side. Economy was full, which meant, as a gold cardholder and a frequent flier, they upgraded me to business class, which is just as well because I've got a very long and stressful day ahead.

(voice-over) There were interviews with the press about "CNN BUSINESS TRAVELER," catching up with contacts.

(on camera) For this next edition we're going around the world.

(voice-over) The Sydney diary is packed for the 48 hours I'm here.

(on camera) Six cities, five countries.

(voice-over) This trip is an experiment. Just how hard can I work under the pressure of little sleep, constant travel, and long hours?

My body's reaction to all of this is being monitored. This machine measures my heartbeat over a five-minute period. It will then work out my stress patterns.

And wherever I am on the journey, at least twice a day I use it to find out how I'm coping.

Back in London, the data are analyzed, and it turns out that my first day in Sydney was particularly stressful.

BEHROOZ TOLOUI, SCIENTIST: This graph is the position of anxiety, perhaps, he was worried about whether he's going to miss his flight or anything else. But when we look at graphs, we find out he has actually recovered from that.

QUEST: You see, the symptoms of stress aren't always clear. Headaches, dizziness, constant tiredness, even after a good night's sleep. They're all early indications that there's a stress problem.

As I prepare to pack and fly, I have one consolation. In the traveler's world, where eight hours' sleep is a luxury, the latest research shows we can get by on much less.

DR. IRSHAAD EBRAHIM, THE LONDON SLEEP CENTER: He may not be able to function at his optimum level, but if he has naps in between when he's feeling tired, in between work episodes, his body will be able to catch up and recover the sleep debt that he has started accumulating.

It's very much like having an overdraft that you pay into. Either pay into it in one lump sum or you pay into it in steady sums, and that way pay off the debt.

QUEST: My sleep overdraft is well into the red and napping here and there is not putting much money in the bank. Thankfully on my next leg, I'll be able to get some rest.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

COLLINS: And by the way, we tried to get in touch with Richard for a stand-up for his piece, but he was asleep.

We'll be back in a moment, everybody. Stick around.

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Firefighters Killed in Pittsburgh Church Fire; Iraq War: A Year Later>


Aired March 14, 2004 - 09:00   ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
HEIDI COLLINS, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning, everyone. This is CNN SUNDAY MORNING. I'm Heidi Collins. It is 9 a.m. on the East Coast, and if you're just waking up on the West Coast, yes, it is early, 6 a.m. Thanks for being here with us today, everybody.
Well, here's what we're planning for you this hour.

Al Qaeda claims responsibility for the terror in Madrid and says there will be more. We go live to Spain in just a moment.

Two brave Americans become the first U.S. civilians to be killed by insurgents in Iraq. What made them go there? Their families join us to tell us their emotional stories.

And switching gears now, got any parking tickets you need to get rid of? Well, we're going to tell you how to get away without showing up in court.

But first, we're going to give you the headlines at this hour.

In Spain, voters are headed to the polls right now in the country's national elections, just days after the terrorist attacks that left 200 people dead.

Meanwhile, in the aftermath of those train attacks, authorities are grilling five suspects and investigating a videotape in which a man claims al Qaeda is responsible and threatens more attacks.

Voters in Russia are also at the polls, casting ballots in a presidential election. President Vladimir Putin is expected to win easily, but he made a final appeal for a good turnout, hoping for a mandate during a new four-year term as president.

Meanwhile, Russia's foreign minister warned Georgia today not to use force against the autonomous Adzharia region. The statement said in case of crisis, responsibility will lie within the Georgian leadership.

A rash of roadside bombings in Iraq this weekend has left six U.S. soldiers dead. In the latest incident just hours ago, a blast killed a 1st Infantry Division soldier in Baghdad.

Earlier three from the 1st Armored division were killed in Baghdad, and two from the 1st Infantry Division died in Tikrit. And a judge in Gaza orders the release of four Palestinians. They were detained in an October bombing that killed three American members of a security detail and wounded a fourth. The roadside bomb exploded as U.S. diplomats traveled through Gaza, interviewing students for Fulbright scholarships.

Authorities in Spain are grilling five suspects in Thursday's commuter train bombings that killed 200 people. In this latest development now, Spanish authorities say they cannot identify a man on a videotape who claims al Qaeda was responsible for the bombings.

Peace demonstrators were inside the streets of Madrid this weekend, protesting the bombings.

And voting is under way right now in Spain's national elections. Details on all these developments now from CNN correspondent Diana Muriel in Madrid.

Diana, we were hearing a little bit about the possibility that the Popular Party may have known or had at least a little bit of information that this attack on the trains was going to happen. Are you hearing anything about that?

DIANA MURIEL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: We haven't had any confirmation on that from the interior ministry.

The interior minister, Angel Acebes, been speaking once again live on Spanish television. He's responding to criticism that the government has not been forthcoming with information relating to Thursday's terrorist attacks.

Of course, the government in the first instance said that they believed it was ETA, which is the Basque separatist group, once an independent state in the northwest of Spain, which has been branded a terrorist organization by the United States and the European Union, amongst others.

They first of all blamed ETA. Subsequently their investigation has turned towards the possibility that Islamic militants may have been behind it.

We had this videotape that was recovered by police here in Madrid on Saturday. They've been looking at that tape, as a man speaking on it is speaking in Arabic with a Moroccan accent and he has identified himself as a spokesperson for al Qaeda in Europe.

Now, the authorities here, according to the interior ministry, have been talking with colleagues in France and in Britain and in Portugal to see if they can help them identify the man or identify the organization that he says he comes from, Abu Dujan al Afgani. So far they have drawn a blank, but those inquiries are continuing.

With regards to the five detainees, we're getting some information that it's possible that three of the detainees, and we don't know which ones, had prior police records. But the government is continuing to -- rather the police authorities here are continuing to speak to them, to investigate them with regards to the contents of a backpack which had a mobile telephone in it which may or may not be involved with the terrorist incident.

Of course, it was backpacks operated by remote-controlled timers with mobile phones that exploded in some of those bombs that went off here on Thursday -- Heidi.

COLLINS: Diana Muriel, reporting live for us this morning. Diana, thanks so much. We'll wait to hear more about who that man might be.

A tribute in London this morning to the victims of the Madrid bombings. The Spanish national anthem was played during the changing of the guard at Buckingham Palace. Spain's ambassador attended the ceremony.

And we are asking what you think this morning. Does the threat of terror make you think twice about traveling? Send responses to wam@CNN.com. And we, of course, will read some of them later on this hour.

Closer to home now, memories of fallen firefighters in a burned down church are all that remain after a deadly fire in Pittsburgh.

CNN's Adaora Udoji has been following the story all morning. She joins us live with the very latest.

Adaora, hello once again.

ADAORA UDOJI, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Heidi.

All morning we've been watching firefighters come through here, the Ebenezer Baptist Church, obviously, on what must be a terribly sad day.

The building is, in fact, still smoldering, which is a real testament to the intensity of the fire that ripped through here yesterday.

As you said, two veteran firefighters were killed yesterday, both of them in their 50s. They were apparently inside the church, looking for hot spots when the bell tower fell.

Altogether, 31 firefighters were injured, seven seriously enough to be hospitalized. Federal investigators, along with local arsonist investigators, are looking into the cause.

There are reports that perhaps it may have been started by electrical problems.

Of course, the fire's also devastating to the 2,500 members of the congregation. This is Pittsburgh's largest and oldest black church. It's certainly a strong cornerstone of the black community here.

Its pastor of 31 years, who was here yesterday, said it was devastating to watch the fire unfold. He said they are praying for the families of the firefighters and that they will rebuild.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

REV. J.V.A. WINSETT, EBENEZER BAPTIST CHURCH: We've got to make plans starting tomorrow to rebuild, because we want to rebuild. We own that property there, the property next door.

UDOJI: You want to rebuild right here?

WINSETT: Right there.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

UDOJI: This morning the congregation is worshipping at a nearby church that opened their doors. And again, they said they will be praying for the families of those firefighters -- Heidi.

COLLINS: Along with many other people across the country, I'm sure. Adaora Udoji, thanks so much.

One year ago this week, coalition forces launched air strikes on Iraq, signaling the start of the war.

CNN's Jamie McIntyre tells us about some of the lessons the Pentagon has learned about Iraq since then.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

JAMIE MCINTYRE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Before going to war against Saddam Hussein, the U.S. knew more about Iraq than any previous adversary.

After all, it defeated Iraq's army in 1991, patrolled its no-fly zones for a decade, and had access to intelligence from U.N. inspectors on the ground.

But there was a lot the U.S. didn't know and didn't foresee.

Last summer, with U.S. casualties mounting, the Pentagon was still in denial that after winning the major combat phase of the war, it was facing what its own dictionary defined as guerrilla warfare.

DONALD RUMSFELD, SECRETARY OF DEFENSE: I knew I should have. I could die that I didn't look it up.

MCINTYRE (on camera): Paramilitary operation conducted in enemy held or hostile territory by a regular (UNINTELLIGIBLE) indigenous forces. This seems to fit a lot of what's going on.

RUMSFELD: It really doesn't.

MCINTYRE (voice-over): More than 500 Americans have died in Iraq, almost half from hostile fire since the end of major combat.

Another big reality check came when the U.S. got a firsthand look at Iraq's decrepit infrastructure. Electricity and water plants were suffering from years of neglect.

RICK BARTON, CENTER FOR STRATEGIC INTERNATIONAL STUDIES: Part of it had been the sanctions. Part of it had been the gross and constant mismanagement of the Saddam Hussein regime.

MCINTYRE: Rick Barton led a team of experts from the Center for Strategic International Studies on an inspection tour in Iraq last summer. They found the biggest miscalculation was what it would take to provide security.

BARTON: You have to start off strong and our inability to provide for public safety initially has created a complication that we've ended up having to live with.

MCINTYRE: Despite the Pentagon's insistence that looting was inevitable and that more U.S. troops would have only meant more U.S. targets, Barton and other experts argue having additional forces early on to secure armories and collect weapons might have made a big difference.

And then there was the flawed idea that oil-rich Iraq could pay its own way quickly.

PAUL WOLFOWITZ, DEPUTY DEFENSE SECRETARY: We're dealing with a country that can really finance its own reconstruction and relatively soon.

MCINTYRE (on camera): While oil production is approaching prewar levels and exports have already brought in some $6 billion, that's still a fraction of the estimated $100 billion needed to put Iraq back on its feet.

Jamie McIntyre, CNN, the Pentagon.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

COLLINS: Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld will talk more about the Iraq war one year later this afternoon on CNN's LATE EDITION WITH WOLF BLITZER. It all begins at noon eastern.

Two brave American civilians killed in Iraq. Their families tell their stories. That's coming up.

Plus, gay rights. This time being played out on the golf course.

(WEATHER UPDATE)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

COLLINS: OK. You may have just gotten up, but if you have a busy week ahead, you'll want to stock up on sleep. Sure, that's easy to do, right? CNN's Richard Quest will tell you why when CNN SUNDAY MORNING continues.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

COLLINS: In Washington, Missouri Congressman Dick Gephardt was among the VIPs last night at a gay and lesbians awards ceremony.

Gephardt said he and his wife were proud to attend as a show of support for their daughter, Chrissy, and her partner.

The former presidential candidate lashed out at Bush's support for a constitutional amendment to prohibit same-sex marriage.

Well, if new polls are any indication it's going to be remain an uphill battle for anyone trying to legalize gay and lesbian marriages. According to a CNN/"USA Today"/Gallup poll last week, 61 percent of those interviewed say gay marriages should not be recognized as valid.

The issue of gay marriages is one of the year's hottest topics. In Atlanta, some people say gay couples do not enjoy the same rights and privileges as married couples, even on the golf course.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

RANDY NEW, MEMBER, DRUID HILL GOLF CLUB: It makes me mad, because there's really no logical reason for the club not to do this other than prejudice.

COLLINS (voice-over): Atlanta attorney Randy New is an avid golfer, a member of the Druid Hill golf club, and he's gay.

NEW: This is not a bridge club.

COLLINS: This golf club costs $50,000 to join and $600 a month. But married couples pay only one membership fee. Spouses are free.

But since gay couples are not allowed to marry in Georgia, gay partners have to pay full price, an extra $50,000.

DR. LEE KYSER, MEMBER, DRUID HILLS GOLF COURSE: I'm a human being like you and like anybody over there. And I have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. And I'm not giving that up to anybody.

COLLINS: New and golfing buddy Lee Kyser are in long-term relationships, have filed with the city as domestic partners and say they would marry if they could.

But as far as the Druid Hills Golf Club is concerned, that's not enough. They are still considered single.

Because Georgia is one of four states without an anti- discrimination law, New and Kyser filed a complaint with Atlanta's Human Relations Commission.

KYSER: I'm 57 years old, and I grew up in Augusta, Georgia, and I'm a lesbian woman. This is not the first time I have faced people not seeing my benefits.

COLLINS: The mayor of Atlanta asked the two sides to sit down with a mediator.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We don't believe we are discriminating. We don't want to discriminate.

COLLINS: Richard Lindh heads the club's membership committee. He says it's a matter of fairness. Everyone's treated the same. Single straight people follow the same rules as single gay people.

And according to Georgia state law, marriage is defined as between a man and a woman.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have a standing policy of nondiscrimination in this club and have had for years and years. We have black members and members from other religious faiths, members of all walks of life, and we encourage them to come and be members here at Druid Hills, and we always have.

COLLINS: Druid Hills is a private club that operates with a liquor license that could be revoked by the city.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are in a private club format. People join this club on their own. They wanted to do it. And most of the members of our club want a quiet, simple life inside this club. They want to play golf and play tennis and other recreational activities with their families.

NEW: In the end, you're going to find that things like this trip you up. You can't paper around this. You can't lawyer around this. It's a group of people who have some control over a portion of your life.

COLLINS: For members, straight or gay, it's about the simple things in life.

(on camera) You want to play golf?

KYSER: Oh, golf is a part of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

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COLLINS: Atlanta mayor Shirley Franklin asked the two parties to talk to a mediator, and both sides agreed.

At stake here could be the club's Atlanta liquor license, something the city says it has a right to take away if there's a violation of the Human Relations Ordinance.

Druid Hills officials say that is a matter for the courts to decide.

Well, are you just sick and tired of getting parking tickets? Well, now there's a web site that offers to help you beat them. We'll have the details when CNN SUNDAY MORNING continues.

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COLLINS: Our top stories now.

Memorials and mourning in Madrid today as the nation remembers the 200 people killed in Thursday's terrorist attacks. Authorities are questioning five suspects, and they're looking at a videotape in which a man claims al Qaeda is responsible and threatens more attacks.

Back here in the states, firefighters in Pittsburgh are mourning the loss of two of their own. They were killed yesterday when a bell tower collapsed on them during a fire at a church. 31 firefighters were injured.

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COLLINS: Well, if you just can't get enough rest or there's a big week of business travel coming up on Monday, well, frequent travelers often find they never get the eight hours of sleep the experts say we all need.

CNN's Richard Quest went in quest of the effects of travel, stress and sleep.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Checking Sydney skies and showers early on, then mostly sunny, up to 24 in the city.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All this for the concerns of workers.

RICHARD QUEST, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The hardened traveler loves to hear the words "Welcome to Sydney." It usually means you're at the end of a very long trip.

Last night luck was on my side. Economy was full, which meant, as a gold cardholder and a frequent flier, they upgraded me to business class, which is just as well because I've got a very long and stressful day ahead.

(voice-over) There were interviews with the press about "CNN BUSINESS TRAVELER," catching up with contacts.

(on camera) For this next edition we're going around the world.

(voice-over) The Sydney diary is packed for the 48 hours I'm here.

(on camera) Six cities, five countries.

(voice-over) This trip is an experiment. Just how hard can I work under the pressure of little sleep, constant travel, and long hours?

My body's reaction to all of this is being monitored. This machine measures my heartbeat over a five-minute period. It will then work out my stress patterns.

And wherever I am on the journey, at least twice a day I use it to find out how I'm coping.

Back in London, the data are analyzed, and it turns out that my first day in Sydney was particularly stressful.

BEHROOZ TOLOUI, SCIENTIST: This graph is the position of anxiety, perhaps, he was worried about whether he's going to miss his flight or anything else. But when we look at graphs, we find out he has actually recovered from that.

QUEST: You see, the symptoms of stress aren't always clear. Headaches, dizziness, constant tiredness, even after a good night's sleep. They're all early indications that there's a stress problem.

As I prepare to pack and fly, I have one consolation. In the traveler's world, where eight hours' sleep is a luxury, the latest research shows we can get by on much less.

DR. IRSHAAD EBRAHIM, THE LONDON SLEEP CENTER: He may not be able to function at his optimum level, but if he has naps in between when he's feeling tired, in between work episodes, his body will be able to catch up and recover the sleep debt that he has started accumulating.

It's very much like having an overdraft that you pay into. Either pay into it in one lump sum or you pay into it in steady sums, and that way pay off the debt.

QUEST: My sleep overdraft is well into the red and napping here and there is not putting much money in the bank. Thankfully on my next leg, I'll be able to get some rest.

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COLLINS: And by the way, we tried to get in touch with Richard for a stand-up for his piece, but he was asleep.

We'll be back in a moment, everybody. Stick around.

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