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9/11 Families Call on Congress to Pass Intelligence Reform; McCain Threatens to Legislate Steroid Use in Baseball

Aired December 05, 2004 - 08:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

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TONY HARRIS, CNN ANCHOR: The next hour of CNN SUNDAY MORNING begins right now.
BETTY NGUYEN, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning from the CNN Center. This is CNN SUNDAY MORNING. I'm Betty Nguyen. It's December 5th and 8 a.m. right here at the CNN headquarters in Atlanta.

HARRIS: I got that messed up last hour didn't I? What is this, the 6th or 5th?

NGUYEN: It's the fifth.

HARRIS: And I'm Tony Harris. Good morning everyone.

Now in the news. An Israeli businessman jailed in Egypt was released today as part of an agreement between the two countries. In exchange, six Egyptian students held in Israel was also released. Assam Assam (ph) was serving a 15 year sentence in Egypt for spying. The students were charged for plotting against Israeli soldiers.

A coal mine explosion in Kazakhstan has killed at least 23. Sixty four other miners got out OK or were rescued. No word yet on the cause.

Twenty one Iraqis have been killed today in three separate insurgent attacks. The victims are 17 civilians working for coalition forces and four Iraqi police. In the biggest attack, gunmen in two vehicles opened fire on buses letting the workers off near Tikrit.

President Bush is pressing Congress for swift approval of a bill that would overhaul the nation's intelligence operations. The measure would create a national intelligence director and a national counter terrorism center. More on this and a live report from Washington coming up shortly.

NGUYEN: Well, coming up this hour every breath you take, every move you make, I'll be watching you. And I didn't sing it. Thank goodness. Those are though lyrics from a famous song. You know it. It's more though like a promise from your manager. Find out why your boss doesn't have to look over your shoulder to find out what you're doing.

And amid denials of steroid use in major league baseball one former baseball player harshly sums up the realities. Hear Jose Canseco's surprising comments about the scandal that shaking the foundations of America's favorite pastime. Plus this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No. Step aside please..

(END VIDEO CLIP)

NGUYEN: It's the ad that is causing an uproar. A commercial that preaches inclusion is being excluded from the airwaves of three TV networks. Find out why it has caused so much controversy in our Faces of Faith segment.

HARRIS: Families of 9/11 victims are telling Congress to quit stalling on intelligence reform. In Washington, New York, Los Angeles and elsewhere, more vigils are planned today to bring attention tot he issue.

The relatives want Congress to vote on the intelligence reform act when it reconvenes tomorrow. The bill is stalled by a handful of Republican lawmakers and time is running out on the 108th Congress.

As time ticks toward a possible showdown in Congress, President Bush says he wants to find a way around the impasse. In his weekly radio address Mr. Bush pledged his support for the bill saying recommendations from the 9/11 Commission quote, "Chart a clear sensible path toward needed reforms."

Here with more is our Kathleen Koch live at the White House. Good morning, Kathleen.

KATHLEEN KOCH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Tony. Yes, President Bush is indeed this week continuing his full court press to get the intelligence bill passed. In recent weeks Mr. Bush has been stepping up his public statements in support of the measure really voicing very clearly his determination to see it passed into law.

But his job really is not getting one bit easier. As you mentioned, he's been facing this tough opposition on the part of House Republicans. Now a top GOP senator has become -- has started voicing concerns.

Senator John Warner, chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee in a statement Friday questioned whether or not the bill would impact the military's ability to get timely intelligence to soldiers on the battlefield.

As you mentioned, Mr. Bush did make the intel bill the focus of his radio address this weekend. And he insisted the measure would not disrupt the existing chain of command.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT, UNITED STATES: Our intelligence efforts need a director of national intelligence, who will oversee all of the foreign and domestic activities of the intelligence community. The legislation I support preserves the existing chain of command and leaves America's 15 intelligence agencies, organizations and offices in their current departments.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KOCH: Mr. Bush's position has gotten a boost from a powerful Pentagon figure. The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Richard Myers, came out Thursday saying that his initial concerns about the intelligence bill have indeed been addressed.

So the question really now is will that statement in addition to the president's very strong and increasingly stronger lobbying on behalf of the measure be enough to get it passed when Congress does resume work Monday.

No vote for the bill has yet been scheduled. But again, very tough job that the president has ahead of him in the face of what appears to be increasing opposition on the part of members of his own party.

Tony.

HARRIS: Kathleen Koch at the White House this morning. Kathleen, thank you.

NGUYEN: And that brings us to our e-mail question of the day. And that question is, do you think the intelligence reform bill will America any safer? E-mail us your thoughts at wam@cnn.com.

HARRIS: And a CNN exclusive for you this morning. In the next hour of CNN SUNDAY MORNING you'll hear from Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf. It's part of an interview from "LATE EDITION" with Wolf Blitzer. The complete interview is today noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific

On the agenda, the war on terror, the search for Osama bin Laden and relations with nuclear neighbor, India.

NGUYEN: The latest out of Iraq this morning, a string of attacks. Insurgents fired on buses near the northern city of Tikrit killing 17 Iraqi civilians. Iraqi security forces were targeted in two other incidents.

A car bombing near Beiji killed three national guardsmen. And in Samarra an attack on an Iraqi army convoy left a soldier dead.

Now to Falluja. Security concerns briefly halt the flow of aid. The Iraqi Red Crescent is suspending relief work for two days there. That's so coalition troops can do security sweeps.

And the former chief of U.S. prisons in Iraq will have to answer some tough questions in the Abu Ghraib prison scandal. A military judge has ordered Brigadier General Janice Karpinski to testify in the trial of Javal Davis. He is one of the U.S. soldiers accused of abusing inmates at Abu Graves. That scandal broke when pictures of the alleged abuse surfaced. Meanwhile, the military takes a closer look at some other photos to find out if they show more incidence of prisoner abuse. The pictures appear to show navy Seals posing with Iraqi detainees.

But a former U.S. military spokesman is downplaying them. General Mark Kimmitt tells the Arab network, Al Jazeera the pictures show only isolated acts.

HARRIS: The players may be stepping up to the plate in the major league baseball steroid scandal. The players' union takes up the issue of steroids at its annual board meeting tomorrow. And both the union and the commissioner's office reportedly will address more frequent testing and harsher penalties for drug use.

Senator John McCain is threatening to legislate stricter rules if baseball fails to police itself.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SEN. JOHN MCCAIN, (R) ARIZONA: They need to fix the problem. They need to fix it. We know they need to fix it. It's time to do it. So I'll introduce legislation in January, but I hope I don't have to do that.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HARRIS: Baseball superstar Jose Canseco has admitted using steroids. He retired two years ago after 17 years, 17 careers riddled with injuries. Canseco tells CNN there are players who take steroids safely under a doctor's care and those who don't.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JOSE CANSECO, FMR. MLB PLAYER: Just because you take enhancement producing drugs or steroids in general doesn't mean you don't have to work out hard. You know at times you have to work out twice as hard to get certain results. So it's not like you take steroids and all of a sudden you're s super athlete. There's a lot of hard work of dedication a lot of diet planning that has to be put into this.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HARRIS: Canseco's autobiography is titled, "Juiced."

NGUYEN: Well, so you're sitting at work and you notice a camera is watching you every move, hmmm.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I received a phone call from my son on Father's Day to wish me a happy father's day and I saw the camera zoom in on me to see what it is that I was doing.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

NGUYEN: Can you believe it? Privacy in the workplace, does it exist? A look at what your boss can and cannot do here on CNN SUNDAY MORNING.

HARRIS: Plus the three major TV networks say no to a church ad designed to bring unity. A church spokesman joins us live, (UNINTELLIGIBLE).

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They come here. People just find a spot out here where they can sleep.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, so you were on the floor?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: On the floor yes, yes.

HARRIS: He felt he had only two choices, a return to life as a homeless man or National Guard duty in war torn Iraq. Life altering decisions in this week's soldier's story next hour on CNN SUNDAY MORNING, 9 a.m. eastern.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

NGUYEN: While you're at work you can rest assured the boss is watching you. Maybe not in person, but new technologies allow companies to keep better tabs on employees and there's little that workers can do about it.

Technology correspondent Daniel Sieberg has the story.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

DANIEL SIEBERG, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Every wonder if your boss is spying on you?

Well, Bill Bartlett had more than a sneaking suspicions when a camera was installed literally over his soldier at a telephone retail shop.

BILL BARTLETT, FMR. KIOSK EMPLOYEE: I felt it was intrusive and major. I thought I was being harassed actually. I received a phone call from my son on Father's Day to wish me a happy father's day.

Do you want to put (UNINTELLIGIBLE) in the race too?

And I saw the camera zoom in on me to see what it is that I was doing.

SIEBERG: And did you have any gut reaction at various times of the day?

BARTLETT: It was so close to me that I actually find myself kind of running around the kiosk hiding from it. And it was so close to me that I had to kind of refrain myself from actually knocking it off, you know, the attachment.

When I approached the owners and management in regard I was told to deal with it or to leave. So I left.

SIEBERG: When contacted by CNN, the kiosk owner stated that the camera was installed to protect both the company and its employees from theft and liability.

(on-camera): Bill's situation happened to take place here in this mall. But you could be watched while you're sitting at your cubicle, talking on the phone, surfing the Web. And while some employees aren't quitting their jobs they are fighting back using technology even if it means they could get fired.

(voice-over) Computer programs like anonymizer are now available. They claim to shield users from monitoring software. One called e-cleaner (ph) even claims to anti-spy your boss.

(on-camera): Are you familiar with some employees who have decided to fight back or decided to quit or are just really fed up with this amount of monitoring be it necessary or not?

DOUG ISENBERG, DIGILAW.COM: The very act of installing that software might violate a company's Internet or computer usage policy.

SIEBERG: Because a lot of employees maybe say, you know, I spend a lot of overtime working for the company. They don't get paid for it. I'm here early. I leave late. I've got kids to worry about. I've got bills to pay.

ISENBERG: And that's why a lot of employers will tolerate a reasonable amount of personal computer use. The employer may choose to do nothing about it because it keeps the employees happy and that should be tolerated.

SIEBERG: Although most employers do have a written monitoring policy in place, experts say many companies still do not do a good enough job of informing employees about those guidelines.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

NGUYEN: And just because your supervisors aren't monitoring every e-mail or phone call personally that doesn't mean they are not recording it forever. Nothing is truly deleted in this digital age.

And next hour spy ware, how Internet retailers keep track of what you buy, what you like or what you desire. It's amazing what they cant rack these days.

HARRIS: I don't know how you feel about it, but if you know, if these are the rules, if the cameras are everywhere...

NGUYEN: Then don't do anything.

HARRIS: ...if they're watching everything then you know and then you can go about your day, right?

NGUYEN: But I think a lot of people feel -- like he took a phone call from his son. What's wrong with that? It was Father's Day. (WEATHER REPORT)

HARRIS: Checking our top stories this morning. Another very bloody day in Iraq. A total of 21 Iraqis have been killed today in three separate insurgent attacks. Seventeen of them were working for coalition forces, four were security personnel. The attacks happened in Samarra, Tikrit and Beiji.

President Bush is back in Washington after attending the Army/Navy football game in Philadelphia yesterday. In his radio address before the game the president turned up the heat on Congress to vote on a 9/11 intelligence reform bill this year.

There she is. Twenty year old Maria Garcia begins her reign as Miss World today. I'm trying to read and take a look at her there. Garcia is an aspiring high school teacher from Peru. Viewers using the phone, Internet and text messaging picked Garcia over 106 other contestants. They can't be wrong.

NGUYEN: Would you like for us to steal that video for you so you can get a closer look.

HARRIS: Yes. Please, please.

NGUYEN: All right. We're going to move on now. Who knew an ad for a church would cause so much controversy. It's a commercial inviting everyone including homosexuals to join the congregation. But some major broadcasts networks won't air it.

HARRIS: A spokesman for the United Church of Christ joins us live right here on CNN SUNDAY MORNING. Faces of Faith is next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No way.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Not you.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don't think so.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The United Church of Christ. No matter who you are or where you are on life's journey you're welcome here.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HARRIS: A commercial promoting a church that's open to everyone, gays including. It's an ad that will apparently never air on the three broadcasts networks, NBC, CBS and ABC. ABC, however, will air the ad on its cable network, "ABC Family."

That's the topic in this morning's Faces of Faith segment. It's a commercial that has certainly sparked a nationwide fire storm. At the center of the debate freedom of speech, religious persecution and gay lifestyle. Serious stuff and in the middle of all of it is the United Church of Christ.

Joining us this morning from Cleveland, Ohio is church spokesman, Ron Buford.

Ron, good to see you. Good morning.

RON BUFORD, TV CAMPAIGN COORDINATOR: Good morning. How are you?

HARRIS; Good. Ron, I guess the best thing we can do is play the entire spot in its entirety and then talk about it.

BUFORD: Great.

HARRIS: OK. Let's do that.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No. Step aside please. No way. Not you. I don't think so. No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The United Church of Christ. No matter who you are or where you are on life's journey you're welcome here.: .

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HARRIS: Ron, that seems a pretty open message. What's the problem with that?

BUFORD: That's what we want to know. All we're doing is advocating for the welcome of everyone no matter who they are or where they are in life's journey.

HARRIS: Pretty inclusive, right?

BUFORD: Absolutely.

HARRIS: All right. Well then let's get to the controversy here. Let's take the first statement I guess from two of the networks who provided us with statements. Let's go to the NBC statement first. NBC says, "It went against our longstanding policy of not accepting ads that deal with issues of public controversy."

Let me first have you respond tot hat and then I'll follow up.

BUFORD: Well it's interesting that they consider inclusion of everyone in church especially to be controversial.

HARRIS: All right. Then let's talk about the CBS response, which I think is even -- probably a little more problematic. The CBS spokesman says, "It was against our policy of accepting advocacy advertising."

It seems to me that every cooperation that has an ad on television is advocating something. So what's your response to that response?

BUFORD: Certainly when they say advocacy all we are advocating, not only are we advocating for people to consider coming to a church where everyone is welcome but to consider being that way in our individual lives, to welcome everyone.

HARRIS: OK. Let's get to it. Why this ad? Why now?

BUFORD: Well, we did some focus group research and it showed that people are very alienated and angry with church. In fact, many of those people are not in any church. They're at home watching television. The way to reach them is to go on TV.

HARRIS: You deny that it's a political ad or do you accept that it is a political ad?

BUFORD: No. We didn't intend it at all as a political ad. The bouncers are symbols of alienation, he alienation that people feel. Many people who watch these ads, people who are divorced or people who are gay, lesbian or people who are different for some reason or another look at these ads and they see themselves and they feel the rejection they've experienced.

HARRIS: All right. Do you believe that the Christian church and all of its many denominations exerted any inappropriate pressure on the issue of gay marriage during the election cycle?

BUFORD: Yes. I think it's a matter of fact that some religious groups advocated against gay marriage. But there were many religious groups who were in support of gay marriage or gay unions in some form or fashion.

HARRIS: What's the stance on gays and lesbians within the United Church of Christ?

BUFORD: Well, we have a long history with this. In 1972 we were the first denomination to ordain an openly gay person to ministry. And we have a record of encouraging our congregations who are independent and autonomous to decide to become open and affirming to gay and lesbian persons.

HARRIS: OK. Ron Buford from the United Church of Christ joining us from Cleveland, Ohio this morning. Ron, thank you.

BUFORD: Thanks for having us.

HARRIS: A pleasure.

NGUYEN: Also on a religious note, the Generals will play in a championship game after all. The pint sized players for the Fontana, California team never stopped practicing, although they had decided they would skip the title game.

Now that's because it was scheduled for today and Sunday is a day when many of the players, including the entire defensive line go to church. Officials heard the complaint and they moved the championship game to Tuesday night. So the Generals they will be there to play in that playoff game.

HARRIS: Good, good, good. All right. We've got time for one e- mail.

NGUYEN: One.

HARRIS: Let's set up the question a little bit for you. The question this morning is, "Do you believe that the intelligence that's being debated right now will make America safer.?

NGUYEN: This viewer says our borders are a joke. Everything else around the country in airports, malls, et cetera is a facade to pacify Americans while we ignore our borders. All the talk and all the lip service are a waste of time and money when no action or plane are set in place to deal with them."

HARRIS: And we want to encourage you to send along those e-mails at wam@cnn.com and we'll follow up with more of your responses throughout the morning.

"Tis the season. The cold weather is setting in and here comes the winter blues. So what can you do about the cold, flu, depression? The first step is to watch "HOUSE CALL." Winter Woes with doctor Sanjay Gupta up next.

NGUYEN: Then on CNN SUNDAY MORNING, in Best of the Web at 9 a.m. Internet auction. It's a unique way to fill your Christmas list. That's coming up on Best of the Web.

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Aired December 5, 2004 - 08:00   ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
TONY HARRIS, CNN ANCHOR: The next hour of CNN SUNDAY MORNING begins right now.
BETTY NGUYEN, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning from the CNN Center. This is CNN SUNDAY MORNING. I'm Betty Nguyen. It's December 5th and 8 a.m. right here at the CNN headquarters in Atlanta.

HARRIS: I got that messed up last hour didn't I? What is this, the 6th or 5th?

NGUYEN: It's the fifth.

HARRIS: And I'm Tony Harris. Good morning everyone.

Now in the news. An Israeli businessman jailed in Egypt was released today as part of an agreement between the two countries. In exchange, six Egyptian students held in Israel was also released. Assam Assam (ph) was serving a 15 year sentence in Egypt for spying. The students were charged for plotting against Israeli soldiers.

A coal mine explosion in Kazakhstan has killed at least 23. Sixty four other miners got out OK or were rescued. No word yet on the cause.

Twenty one Iraqis have been killed today in three separate insurgent attacks. The victims are 17 civilians working for coalition forces and four Iraqi police. In the biggest attack, gunmen in two vehicles opened fire on buses letting the workers off near Tikrit.

President Bush is pressing Congress for swift approval of a bill that would overhaul the nation's intelligence operations. The measure would create a national intelligence director and a national counter terrorism center. More on this and a live report from Washington coming up shortly.

NGUYEN: Well, coming up this hour every breath you take, every move you make, I'll be watching you. And I didn't sing it. Thank goodness. Those are though lyrics from a famous song. You know it. It's more though like a promise from your manager. Find out why your boss doesn't have to look over your shoulder to find out what you're doing.

And amid denials of steroid use in major league baseball one former baseball player harshly sums up the realities. Hear Jose Canseco's surprising comments about the scandal that shaking the foundations of America's favorite pastime. Plus this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No. Step aside please..

(END VIDEO CLIP)

NGUYEN: It's the ad that is causing an uproar. A commercial that preaches inclusion is being excluded from the airwaves of three TV networks. Find out why it has caused so much controversy in our Faces of Faith segment.

HARRIS: Families of 9/11 victims are telling Congress to quit stalling on intelligence reform. In Washington, New York, Los Angeles and elsewhere, more vigils are planned today to bring attention tot he issue.

The relatives want Congress to vote on the intelligence reform act when it reconvenes tomorrow. The bill is stalled by a handful of Republican lawmakers and time is running out on the 108th Congress.

As time ticks toward a possible showdown in Congress, President Bush says he wants to find a way around the impasse. In his weekly radio address Mr. Bush pledged his support for the bill saying recommendations from the 9/11 Commission quote, "Chart a clear sensible path toward needed reforms."

Here with more is our Kathleen Koch live at the White House. Good morning, Kathleen.

KATHLEEN KOCH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Tony. Yes, President Bush is indeed this week continuing his full court press to get the intelligence bill passed. In recent weeks Mr. Bush has been stepping up his public statements in support of the measure really voicing very clearly his determination to see it passed into law.

But his job really is not getting one bit easier. As you mentioned, he's been facing this tough opposition on the part of House Republicans. Now a top GOP senator has become -- has started voicing concerns.

Senator John Warner, chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee in a statement Friday questioned whether or not the bill would impact the military's ability to get timely intelligence to soldiers on the battlefield.

As you mentioned, Mr. Bush did make the intel bill the focus of his radio address this weekend. And he insisted the measure would not disrupt the existing chain of command.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT, UNITED STATES: Our intelligence efforts need a director of national intelligence, who will oversee all of the foreign and domestic activities of the intelligence community. The legislation I support preserves the existing chain of command and leaves America's 15 intelligence agencies, organizations and offices in their current departments.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KOCH: Mr. Bush's position has gotten a boost from a powerful Pentagon figure. The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Richard Myers, came out Thursday saying that his initial concerns about the intelligence bill have indeed been addressed.

So the question really now is will that statement in addition to the president's very strong and increasingly stronger lobbying on behalf of the measure be enough to get it passed when Congress does resume work Monday.

No vote for the bill has yet been scheduled. But again, very tough job that the president has ahead of him in the face of what appears to be increasing opposition on the part of members of his own party.

Tony.

HARRIS: Kathleen Koch at the White House this morning. Kathleen, thank you.

NGUYEN: And that brings us to our e-mail question of the day. And that question is, do you think the intelligence reform bill will America any safer? E-mail us your thoughts at wam@cnn.com.

HARRIS: And a CNN exclusive for you this morning. In the next hour of CNN SUNDAY MORNING you'll hear from Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf. It's part of an interview from "LATE EDITION" with Wolf Blitzer. The complete interview is today noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific

On the agenda, the war on terror, the search for Osama bin Laden and relations with nuclear neighbor, India.

NGUYEN: The latest out of Iraq this morning, a string of attacks. Insurgents fired on buses near the northern city of Tikrit killing 17 Iraqi civilians. Iraqi security forces were targeted in two other incidents.

A car bombing near Beiji killed three national guardsmen. And in Samarra an attack on an Iraqi army convoy left a soldier dead.

Now to Falluja. Security concerns briefly halt the flow of aid. The Iraqi Red Crescent is suspending relief work for two days there. That's so coalition troops can do security sweeps.

And the former chief of U.S. prisons in Iraq will have to answer some tough questions in the Abu Ghraib prison scandal. A military judge has ordered Brigadier General Janice Karpinski to testify in the trial of Javal Davis. He is one of the U.S. soldiers accused of abusing inmates at Abu Graves. That scandal broke when pictures of the alleged abuse surfaced. Meanwhile, the military takes a closer look at some other photos to find out if they show more incidence of prisoner abuse. The pictures appear to show navy Seals posing with Iraqi detainees.

But a former U.S. military spokesman is downplaying them. General Mark Kimmitt tells the Arab network, Al Jazeera the pictures show only isolated acts.

HARRIS: The players may be stepping up to the plate in the major league baseball steroid scandal. The players' union takes up the issue of steroids at its annual board meeting tomorrow. And both the union and the commissioner's office reportedly will address more frequent testing and harsher penalties for drug use.

Senator John McCain is threatening to legislate stricter rules if baseball fails to police itself.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SEN. JOHN MCCAIN, (R) ARIZONA: They need to fix the problem. They need to fix it. We know they need to fix it. It's time to do it. So I'll introduce legislation in January, but I hope I don't have to do that.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HARRIS: Baseball superstar Jose Canseco has admitted using steroids. He retired two years ago after 17 years, 17 careers riddled with injuries. Canseco tells CNN there are players who take steroids safely under a doctor's care and those who don't.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JOSE CANSECO, FMR. MLB PLAYER: Just because you take enhancement producing drugs or steroids in general doesn't mean you don't have to work out hard. You know at times you have to work out twice as hard to get certain results. So it's not like you take steroids and all of a sudden you're s super athlete. There's a lot of hard work of dedication a lot of diet planning that has to be put into this.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HARRIS: Canseco's autobiography is titled, "Juiced."

NGUYEN: Well, so you're sitting at work and you notice a camera is watching you every move, hmmm.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I received a phone call from my son on Father's Day to wish me a happy father's day and I saw the camera zoom in on me to see what it is that I was doing.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

NGUYEN: Can you believe it? Privacy in the workplace, does it exist? A look at what your boss can and cannot do here on CNN SUNDAY MORNING.

HARRIS: Plus the three major TV networks say no to a church ad designed to bring unity. A church spokesman joins us live, (UNINTELLIGIBLE).

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They come here. People just find a spot out here where they can sleep.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, so you were on the floor?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: On the floor yes, yes.

HARRIS: He felt he had only two choices, a return to life as a homeless man or National Guard duty in war torn Iraq. Life altering decisions in this week's soldier's story next hour on CNN SUNDAY MORNING, 9 a.m. eastern.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

NGUYEN: While you're at work you can rest assured the boss is watching you. Maybe not in person, but new technologies allow companies to keep better tabs on employees and there's little that workers can do about it.

Technology correspondent Daniel Sieberg has the story.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

DANIEL SIEBERG, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Every wonder if your boss is spying on you?

Well, Bill Bartlett had more than a sneaking suspicions when a camera was installed literally over his soldier at a telephone retail shop.

BILL BARTLETT, FMR. KIOSK EMPLOYEE: I felt it was intrusive and major. I thought I was being harassed actually. I received a phone call from my son on Father's Day to wish me a happy father's day.

Do you want to put (UNINTELLIGIBLE) in the race too?

And I saw the camera zoom in on me to see what it is that I was doing.

SIEBERG: And did you have any gut reaction at various times of the day?

BARTLETT: It was so close to me that I actually find myself kind of running around the kiosk hiding from it. And it was so close to me that I had to kind of refrain myself from actually knocking it off, you know, the attachment.

When I approached the owners and management in regard I was told to deal with it or to leave. So I left.

SIEBERG: When contacted by CNN, the kiosk owner stated that the camera was installed to protect both the company and its employees from theft and liability.

(on-camera): Bill's situation happened to take place here in this mall. But you could be watched while you're sitting at your cubicle, talking on the phone, surfing the Web. And while some employees aren't quitting their jobs they are fighting back using technology even if it means they could get fired.

(voice-over) Computer programs like anonymizer are now available. They claim to shield users from monitoring software. One called e-cleaner (ph) even claims to anti-spy your boss.

(on-camera): Are you familiar with some employees who have decided to fight back or decided to quit or are just really fed up with this amount of monitoring be it necessary or not?

DOUG ISENBERG, DIGILAW.COM: The very act of installing that software might violate a company's Internet or computer usage policy.

SIEBERG: Because a lot of employees maybe say, you know, I spend a lot of overtime working for the company. They don't get paid for it. I'm here early. I leave late. I've got kids to worry about. I've got bills to pay.

ISENBERG: And that's why a lot of employers will tolerate a reasonable amount of personal computer use. The employer may choose to do nothing about it because it keeps the employees happy and that should be tolerated.

SIEBERG: Although most employers do have a written monitoring policy in place, experts say many companies still do not do a good enough job of informing employees about those guidelines.

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NGUYEN: And just because your supervisors aren't monitoring every e-mail or phone call personally that doesn't mean they are not recording it forever. Nothing is truly deleted in this digital age.

And next hour spy ware, how Internet retailers keep track of what you buy, what you like or what you desire. It's amazing what they cant rack these days.

HARRIS: I don't know how you feel about it, but if you know, if these are the rules, if the cameras are everywhere...

NGUYEN: Then don't do anything.

HARRIS: ...if they're watching everything then you know and then you can go about your day, right?

NGUYEN: But I think a lot of people feel -- like he took a phone call from his son. What's wrong with that? It was Father's Day. (WEATHER REPORT)

HARRIS: Checking our top stories this morning. Another very bloody day in Iraq. A total of 21 Iraqis have been killed today in three separate insurgent attacks. Seventeen of them were working for coalition forces, four were security personnel. The attacks happened in Samarra, Tikrit and Beiji.

President Bush is back in Washington after attending the Army/Navy football game in Philadelphia yesterday. In his radio address before the game the president turned up the heat on Congress to vote on a 9/11 intelligence reform bill this year.

There she is. Twenty year old Maria Garcia begins her reign as Miss World today. I'm trying to read and take a look at her there. Garcia is an aspiring high school teacher from Peru. Viewers using the phone, Internet and text messaging picked Garcia over 106 other contestants. They can't be wrong.

NGUYEN: Would you like for us to steal that video for you so you can get a closer look.

HARRIS: Yes. Please, please.

NGUYEN: All right. We're going to move on now. Who knew an ad for a church would cause so much controversy. It's a commercial inviting everyone including homosexuals to join the congregation. But some major broadcasts networks won't air it.

HARRIS: A spokesman for the United Church of Christ joins us live right here on CNN SUNDAY MORNING. Faces of Faith is next.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No way.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Not you.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don't think so.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The United Church of Christ. No matter who you are or where you are on life's journey you're welcome here.

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HARRIS: A commercial promoting a church that's open to everyone, gays including. It's an ad that will apparently never air on the three broadcasts networks, NBC, CBS and ABC. ABC, however, will air the ad on its cable network, "ABC Family."

That's the topic in this morning's Faces of Faith segment. It's a commercial that has certainly sparked a nationwide fire storm. At the center of the debate freedom of speech, religious persecution and gay lifestyle. Serious stuff and in the middle of all of it is the United Church of Christ.

Joining us this morning from Cleveland, Ohio is church spokesman, Ron Buford.

Ron, good to see you. Good morning.

RON BUFORD, TV CAMPAIGN COORDINATOR: Good morning. How are you?

HARRIS; Good. Ron, I guess the best thing we can do is play the entire spot in its entirety and then talk about it.

BUFORD: Great.

HARRIS: OK. Let's do that.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No. Step aside please. No way. Not you. I don't think so. No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The United Church of Christ. No matter who you are or where you are on life's journey you're welcome here.: .

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HARRIS: Ron, that seems a pretty open message. What's the problem with that?

BUFORD: That's what we want to know. All we're doing is advocating for the welcome of everyone no matter who they are or where they are in life's journey.

HARRIS: Pretty inclusive, right?

BUFORD: Absolutely.

HARRIS: All right. Well then let's get to the controversy here. Let's take the first statement I guess from two of the networks who provided us with statements. Let's go to the NBC statement first. NBC says, "It went against our longstanding policy of not accepting ads that deal with issues of public controversy."

Let me first have you respond tot hat and then I'll follow up.

BUFORD: Well it's interesting that they consider inclusion of everyone in church especially to be controversial.

HARRIS: All right. Then let's talk about the CBS response, which I think is even -- probably a little more problematic. The CBS spokesman says, "It was against our policy of accepting advocacy advertising."

It seems to me that every cooperation that has an ad on television is advocating something. So what's your response to that response?

BUFORD: Certainly when they say advocacy all we are advocating, not only are we advocating for people to consider coming to a church where everyone is welcome but to consider being that way in our individual lives, to welcome everyone.

HARRIS: OK. Let's get to it. Why this ad? Why now?

BUFORD: Well, we did some focus group research and it showed that people are very alienated and angry with church. In fact, many of those people are not in any church. They're at home watching television. The way to reach them is to go on TV.

HARRIS: You deny that it's a political ad or do you accept that it is a political ad?

BUFORD: No. We didn't intend it at all as a political ad. The bouncers are symbols of alienation, he alienation that people feel. Many people who watch these ads, people who are divorced or people who are gay, lesbian or people who are different for some reason or another look at these ads and they see themselves and they feel the rejection they've experienced.

HARRIS: All right. Do you believe that the Christian church and all of its many denominations exerted any inappropriate pressure on the issue of gay marriage during the election cycle?

BUFORD: Yes. I think it's a matter of fact that some religious groups advocated against gay marriage. But there were many religious groups who were in support of gay marriage or gay unions in some form or fashion.

HARRIS: What's the stance on gays and lesbians within the United Church of Christ?

BUFORD: Well, we have a long history with this. In 1972 we were the first denomination to ordain an openly gay person to ministry. And we have a record of encouraging our congregations who are independent and autonomous to decide to become open and affirming to gay and lesbian persons.

HARRIS: OK. Ron Buford from the United Church of Christ joining us from Cleveland, Ohio this morning. Ron, thank you.

BUFORD: Thanks for having us.

HARRIS: A pleasure.

NGUYEN: Also on a religious note, the Generals will play in a championship game after all. The pint sized players for the Fontana, California team never stopped practicing, although they had decided they would skip the title game.

Now that's because it was scheduled for today and Sunday is a day when many of the players, including the entire defensive line go to church. Officials heard the complaint and they moved the championship game to Tuesday night. So the Generals they will be there to play in that playoff game.

HARRIS: Good, good, good. All right. We've got time for one e- mail.

NGUYEN: One.

HARRIS: Let's set up the question a little bit for you. The question this morning is, "Do you believe that the intelligence that's being debated right now will make America safer.?

NGUYEN: This viewer says our borders are a joke. Everything else around the country in airports, malls, et cetera is a facade to pacify Americans while we ignore our borders. All the talk and all the lip service are a waste of time and money when no action or plane are set in place to deal with them."

HARRIS: And we want to encourage you to send along those e-mails at wam@cnn.com and we'll follow up with more of your responses throughout the morning.

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