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Florida Police Find Body of Sarah Lunde; Cardinals Prepare for Election of New Pope

Aired April 17, 2005 - 09:00   ET

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TONY HARRIS, CNN ANCHOR: The search for this missing Florida teen comes to a sad end, and the community prepares to mourn together. From the CNN Center in Atlanta this is CNN SUNDAY MORNING. It is April 17th. Good Sunday morning to you. I'm Tony Harris.
BETTY NGUYEN, CNN ANCHOR: And I'm Betty Nguyen. It is 9 a.m. here in the east, 6 a.m. out west. We want to thank you for joining us on this Sunday.

Florida police will drain a pond after finding the body of a teenager believed to be 13-year-old Sarah Lunde. They say there was an obvious green cast on the body just like the one Lunde had when she disappeared last week.

Police in Ruskin are gathering for church service, and CNN will bring that to you live right here in about an hour.

One hundred fifteen cardinals in Rome are getting ready to elect a new leader for the Roman Catholic Church. The group is moving into the new Vatican hotel today to begin the official conclave tomorrow. The meeting will not end until a two thirds majority agrees on the next pope.

And we have contact. That's the word from a Russian Soyuz rocket carrying two astronauts and a cosmonaut to the international space station. Now if all goes as planned the ISS will host the space shuttle Discovery when it launches next month.

HARRIS: And here's what we've got coming up this hour. Two new government reports conclude airport security screening is live a sieve. A CNN security analyst joins us live in just a few minutes.

Plus, a soldier's story of living to tell detail of comrades in arms in Baghdad.

And diet gurus who tell you to eat right for your brain type. All will be revealed later this hour.

NGUYEN: Up first though it will take an autopsy to confirm what loved ones already fear. A week after 13 year old Sarah Lunde disappeared in Florida it seems her body was found in a pond near her home. After the identity is confirmed, police will begin to tackle the questions of who did it and how it happened.

For the latest now we go to CNN's Sara Dorsey in Ruskin, Florida. Sara, what do you know?

SARA DORSEY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Betty, I can tell you CNN has learned some disturbing new details about this crime. According to law enforcement agents, Sara Lunde's body was weighed down. Apparently her killer was trying to keep her body under the water. We know now that was not successful.

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DORSEY (voice-over): After five long days of tirelessly searching for 13-year-old Sarah Lunde, the end no one wanted to hear. A search dog lead authorities to her body in an abandoned fish farm only a half mile from her home.

SHERIFF DAVID GEE, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY FLORIDA: It was clear from investigators that worked the scene that whoever put her there went to great effort to conceal her body.

DORSEY: This is the second missing child case in this area in the last few months. Mark Lunsford knows the outcome too well. In February his nine year old daughter, Jessica, disappeared. Her body was found three weeks later. The man charged, a convicted sex offender.

MARK LUNSFORD, FATHER OF 9-YEAR-OLD SLAIN GIRL: Too close to home. I could reach him. So I wanted to help just the same way people did for me. And when I got down here I found out that her brother was up there looking for Jessica.

DORSEY: Sarah's pastor says he was almost like a dad to her. He said it's hard to understand how this could happen to a 13 year old who loved life and had so much living yet to do.

JOHNNY COOK, PASTOR: Inside I'm broken because of what's happened to her is beyond imagination.

DORSEY: The sheriff is not naming any suspects, but is talking to this man, 36 year old David Onstott, a convicted sex offender who had a relationship with Sarah's mother. Onstott is now in jail on unrelated charges.

Pastor Cook says whoever did this will eventually have to pay the ultimate price.

COOK: God will ring him to justice. God knows who and who they are and what's happening. And they will never get away from that.

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DORSEY: And this has been an emotional roller coaster for everyone here at the First Apostolic Church, Sarah's church. Today at 10 o'clock they are planning a memorial in her honor.

Betty.

NGUYEN: Sara, we know searchers have been looking in and around Lunde's home. Do you know what lead them to that particular pond yesterday where the body was found?

DORSEY: I can tell you that according to the sheriff, he was confident that in a three quarter mile area around the home, just based on statistics that come in on these missing children, that they could find her body in that area. They had already searched that area, walking through that particular pond, but because the body was weighed down in very murky water, the sheriff tells us they were not able to find her.

He had been taking samples of the water temperatures, waiting in case there was a body in water, gauging how many days it would take before possibly it could come up. They did not know for sure that she was in water, and they did not know for sure she was in that area. But it was in that three quarter mile general area. So that's why they went back and looked again yesterday.

NGUYEN: And autopsy results will determine the official identity of the body, which is believe to be Sarah Lunde. Again, that church service beginning at 10 o'clock eastern. Thank you Sara Dorsey in Florida.

HARRIS: Two new government reports blast airport security screening saying travelers aren't any safer than before 9/11. Clark Kent Ervin, former inspector general for the Homeland Security Department says some things have improved, but there's room for much more improvement.

Clark is a CNN security analyst, and he joins us live from our Washington bureau. Clark, good to see you this morning. This is pretty disturbing.

CLARK KENT ERVIN, CNN SECURITY ANALYST: It is disturbing news, Tony, absolutely. As you say, there have been some improvements in aviation security since 9/11, but these two new reports out this week will apparently show that airport screeners are no better able to detect deadly weapons than they were then.

HARRIS: Clark I know you've done a lot of work in this area, and we're going to break this thing down as best we can here this morning. Let me first get you to respond to this quote from Republican Congressman John Mica, who has seen the report. He says, "A lot of people will be shocked at the billions of dollars we've spent and the results they're going to see." Goes on to say, "Which confirm previous examinations of the Soviet style screening system that we have put in place." Do you agree with that assessment?

ERVIN: Well, the congressman is referring to reports that my old office, the Office of Inspector General and the GAO, the Government Accountability Office, Congress' investigative arm, issued a couple of years ago showing that screeners weren't able to detect these items when they should be.

And apparently the results this week will show essentially the same thing, no improvement in screeners ability. I think the congressman is supportive of the notion of going back to private screening. And I believe there are problems with that as well. HARRIS: What do you think of that idea?

ERVIN: Well, I think in the end, of course, private companies primary concern is the bottom line. And of course we had private screeners before 9/11 and the results are plain for all to see. So I'd be concerned about going back to a system like that.

HARRIS: OK, Clark, what has gone wrong here? Is it about people? Is it about equipment? A little bit of both?

ERVIN: A little bit of both. Part of it is training. When we did our report in '03, we said that screeners need to be trained on a continual, regular basis. It needs to be documented. It needs to be standardized. It needs to be localized. It needs to be done during duty hours.

It's also, as you suggest, partly an equipment issue. There are certain kinds of equipment, back scatter technology that can see through clothing to make sure that no hidden weapons are there on the body, multi view x-ray machines that can rotate back so that in every conceivable configuration weapons can be found.

So it's both training, equipment, technology, policy and procedures and management and supervision. Supervisors need to do a better job of making sure that the screeners are doing their jobs.

HARRIS: Clark we've spent billions so far in setting up TSA. So why don't we have the equipment that you just described?

ERVIN: Well, I couldn't agree with you more. We have spent billions in this area. TSA in particular has done a very poor job over the course of its short history of spending the money that has been appropriate to it. And I'm very hopeful that the new leadership at the department will move TSA in particular and the department in general in a new direction sot hat the limited money available for this purpose is used in the most effective and efficient way.

HARRIS: OK, Clark, let's leave it there for now. I'm sure we'll be talking about this over the next few days, and certainly once the report is released. Thank you. Thanks for taking the time this morning.

ERVIN: Thank you, Tony.

HARRIS: And stay tuned to CNN day and night for the most reliable news about your security.

NGUYEN: At the NRA convention in Houston, House Majority Leader Tom DeLay took pot shots at liberal Democrats, and the national media.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The Honorable Tom DeLay.

(END VIDEO CLIP) NGUYEN: In the keynote address, DeLay only briefly mentioned alleged ethics violations. He put it this way, quote, "When a man is in trouble or in a good fight you want to have your friends around, preferably armed."

HARRIS: DeLay has come under fire in recent months for alleged ethics violations. Questions have been raised about payments for overseas travel. DeLay's ties to lobbyist who are under investigation in campaign payments to family members. One Republican is even calling for DeLay's resignation. So what do you think? Should the House majority leader resign? E-mail us our thoughts on that question at wam@cnn.com and we'll read some of those replies a little later this hour.

NGUYEN: But right now we want you to take a look at this video. Specialist Jeremy Church faced this fiery scene last year when his fuel convoy was ambushed by insurgents in Iraq. What did he do in the face of danger? Well, we will have his story in today's soldier's story.

HARRIS: Plus, the world is waiting. Today the Vatican prepares to elect a new pope. What are the cardinals thinking just before the conclave begins? Our Jim Bittermann has a live report from Rome. But first, Rob Marciano.

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HARRIS: This morning's soldier's story tells the tale of a Silver Star and the bonds formed in combat. I talked earlier to two reservists who fought a fierce battle in Baghdad and lived to tell the tale.

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LT. MATTHEW BROWN, U.S. ARMY RESERVE: We were on the outskirts of northwest Baghdad heading to Baghdad International Airport, and we started taking small arms fire, rocket propelled grenades, improvised explosive devices. And also there were reports of mortars being walked in. It was coming from all sides, just a huge volume of fire, and estimated number of 200 to 300 insurgents so it was a huge attack.

We were trying to negotiate through the ambush because there was also a lot of debris on the roads that was obviously placed there on purpose to try to slow down the convoy. Specialist Church, my driver, negotiated through those obstacles and I directed him to get over on a side road.

Basically we were just trying to get out of there as quick as possible to make sure that we still had all of our troops with us.

HARRIS: Specialist Church, what do you remember about that attack?

SPECIALIST CHURCH, U.S. ARMY RESERVE: I remember -- there's a lot of things I remember about the attack, but as far as he left off is he trained me how to do his job. He made sure that I knew how to do it in case something happened on the day where he couldn't, you know, perform the job any longer. Like if he was wounded, shot, or even, you know, would be taken down in action.

And during that day so far we were just aggressively steering through the areas, trying to keep through, keeping communications with the rest of the soldiers from 724 and the civilian drivers that were with us.

HARRIS: What do you remember about he moment right after Lieutenant Brown was hit? Because what I understand is there was a moment in time when you're trying to bring him whatever comfort you can you're driving through this maze, this obstacle course, and you're also trying to get off a round or two at the insurgents who were firing on you. Is that correct?

CHURCH: Yes, sir it actually is. The only thing I actually remember is, oh my Lord you got shot, giving him a pat. I hope he makes it through this. Now I have to get the rest of the convoy through it. I hope they follow, as they are trained to do, and hopefully I'll stay on the right route. That's what happened.

HARRIS: And Lieutenant Brown, you know, there's one thing to fall back on your training, there is another thing to be brave and then there is what your specialist did. Did he exceed expectations?

BROWN: Above and beyond by all means. He exceeded anybody's expectations. We can only hope that as Army Reserve soldiers we'd all be willing to do the same thing. But that's the moment of truth right there. And what he did is he put his life -- he put the lives of our soldiers behind his life. It was obviously more important that he got them out of there than worrying about getting hurt himself.

HARRIS: Explain that for those of us who aren't in the military, haven't gone through that training, can't understand how someone does that. My understanding is you were being shot at by up to 200 insurgents. So explain to me how he gets you to safety and then decides to go back into harms way and to help others.

BROWN: Well, he could actually see one of the vehicles that was stranded out there and he knew that it's our unit that's out there. It's not just our soldiers, it's not just our brothers, it's our family. He knew that they had to get out of there and he saw an opportunity to take by getting the cab unit that was there, that was helping us out, getting them involved.

He got several vehicles from that unit to go out there into the kill zone to get those -- to retrieve those personnel and he went out with them. Now the most interesting part of this story, the most heroic part of this story is after he got all of those people out of the Humvee that had broken down he remained out in the kill zone because there was not enough room for everybody. So he held on to one soldier and said stay out here with me. They stayed out in that kill zone all by themselves until the cab come back for them.

HARRIS: Wait a minute. What you're saying to me is that he stays in what you're calling the kill zone until help arrives and this is a zone where there is fire all around.

BROWN: That is absolutely correct.

HARRIS: Well, Specialist Church why did you do that?

CHURCH: Sir, that's my family out there and those were wounded men and soldiers. Me personally I would rather fall in combat than see any of my friends or family.

HARRIS: And for all of that bravery you get the Silver Star?

CHURCH: Yes, sir.

HARRIS: For, I looked it up, for gallantry. How proud are you of that award?

CHURCH: I'm very honored by wearing it. And what makes me happier are my friends and family that are proud to see me earn the medal.

HARRIS: And what do you think of that man who is next to you, who was responsible for so much of the training, who put you in a position to know what you needed to know to act on hat day, the fact that you were able to help him survive and there he is next to you?

CHURCH: Not only is my commander a life long fried, and you know in a certain kind of bond I do love this man.

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HARRIS: A "Soldier's Story" this morning. I got one other note. A missing U.S. soldier has been promoted to Sargent. Specialist Keith Matt Maupin is one of two Americans missing since their convoy came under attack near the Baghdad airport in 2004. A civilian contractor is also unaccounted for. Maupin's official Army status is listed as missing is, captured. The promotion allows his family to receive higher salary and benefits.

NGUYEN: In our top stories today. The search for that missing Florida girl ends in tragedy. The boy of Michelle -- Sarah Michelle Lunde was found partially submerged in a pond near her home. Her community will gather in an hour for church service, and we will have that live right here on CNN.

Also today, Iraqi security forces are conducting door to door searches in a village south of Baghdad. Sunni militants are reportedly holding Shiite Muslims hostage. But there are conflicting reports about the number of hostages who were captured during a raid on a mosque there.

And tomorrow at the Vatican, the cardinals conclave begins the task of electing a new pope. One hundred and fifteen cardinals will select one of their own to be the new pontiff. If no pope is chosen after three days they will take a day of reflection as it's called, Tony. HARRIS: And listen to this. A student is shot dozens of items with a BB gun at one California university. Believe it or not, it's being called hazing. We're gong across America ahead on CNN SUNDAY MORNING.

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HARRIS: I think for most of the morning we have enjoyed the sunrise over Raleigh, North Carolina.

NGUYEN: It's been beautiful.

HARRIS: Hasn't it been great.

NGUYEN: And the weather has been nice out here in the east. I wonder what it's like around the nation this morning.

Hey, Rob has been looking into that crystal ball of his.

Rob?

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NGUYEN: For many of our viewers the sun has barely risen, but the surf is already up. Here with a look at some of the most popular stories on cnn.com is Veronica De La Cruz. Good morning.

VERONICA DE LA CRUZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning. How are you doing?

NGUYEN: I'm doing very well. Surf's up I hear.

DE LA CRUZ: Surf is up and I'm going to tell you all about it.

NGUYEN: OK.

DE LA CRUZ: But before we get to that I'm actually going to tell you how to find these stories. To find them you want to go ahead and go to our main page and click on the icon most popular, which is on the right hand side of your screen. You can also type in cnn.com/most popular.

Now our number one story right now, drug enforcement agency officials figure something was a little fishy when they confiscated more than 2200 pounds of cocaine. ..

NGUYEN: Goodness.

DE LA CRUZ: ...2200 pounds of cocaine. Now the shipment had come from a seafood processing plant in Peru. The drugs had been packed in the cans of fish, Betty.

NGUYEN: Of all things, cans of fish?

DE LA CRUZ: Cans of fish, yes, Charlie tuna. A surprise there. Don't tell Charlie. Another odd story on the Web right now. It is the year 1966, which bands do you think were on top, the Beach Boys, the Stones? How about the Beetles. I wasn't born yet so I'm going to turn to Tony.

HARRIS: It must end at some point, mustn't it?

DE LA CRUZ: Well, Tony it as Herb Alpert, with Whipped Cream.

HARRIS: The Tijuana -- OK, got you, got you.

DE LA CRUZ: Oh, he knows.

HARRIS: Yes, yes, yes, sure.

DE LA CRUZ: And Whipped Cream is getting a 40th anniversary re- release. The album came out in 1965, Tony, which I know you remember, and stayed at number one for eight weeks. It stayed on the charts for nearly three years and you can find the records in stores this Tuesday.

Do you guys remember Herb Alpert?

HARRIS: Oh, of course.

NGUYEN: Oh, yes absolutely.

DE LA CRUZ: Da da ta da ta da da da, right?

HARRIS: Very good.

DE LA CRUZ: I have no clue, but I hear it's a good one. How about that.

HARRIS: Veronica, thanks.

NGUYEN: Thank you, Veronica.

HARRIS: The world waits as the Vatican prepares for the start of tomorrow's top secret conclave to elect a new pope. A live report from Rome is straight ahead.

NGUYEN: Plus there's a new way to lose weight. Here it is. Eat what your brain is hungry for. Well, it's not as simple as just that though. You can't eat what you carve all the time. We'll show you how it works when CNN SUNDAY MORNING returns.

HARRIS: Plus, a trip back in time with the legendary Herb Alpert. We were just talking about it just a second ago.

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NGUYEN: Authorities in Ruskin, Florida, say there is little doubt that a body found partially submerged in a pond is that of Sarah Michelle Lunde, the missing 13-year-old. An autopsy will confirm identity and it will also provide a cause of death. The Hillsborough County sheriff says it appears she was killed shortly after her overnight disappearance last weekend. The Lunde family will hold a church service next hour and CNN will have live coverage.

There are more anti-Japanese protests flaring today in China. Look at at this, demonstrators cite Japan's wartime past as reason to deny it a permanent seat on the United Nations Security Council. Tokyo is demanding that China apologize for vandalism to its diplomatic missions in China, but just a short time ago Beijing rejected the call.

And the rising cost of oil has emerged as the central topic at this weekend's meeting of major industrialized countries. The group of seven, or G-7 for short, began meeting yesterday, just one day after Wall Street experienced its worst sessions in two years. High oil prices and their impact on the world economy are blamed for the slide.

HARRIS: The world waits as the cardinals gather. The leaders of the Roman Catholic Church are assembling right now at the Vatican to prepare for their selection of the next pope. Today, there will be final discussions before tomorrow's start of the ultra-secret conclave. For a closer look, we turn now to CNN's Jim Bittermann in Rome.

Hi, Jim.

JIM BITTERMANN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Tony. You know, the cardinals like to say they trust the Holy Ghost to guide their hands when they're deciding about who to vote for in this election. One of the cardinals told me this morning that the Holy Ghost is going to have to be working overtime in the next few days, because as they go into this conclave it's clear that there are no -- there is no consensus on what exactly the issues are. Everyone seems to have a different set of priorities. And there is no real block of votes for any one particular candidate and yet -- none the yet -- nonetheless, the cardinals believe that they're going to be able to come up with a pope in the next three to four days.

Now, while the cardinals took advantage of today by going out to their titular churches, these are churches in the Rome area that they've all been assigned to sort of look after and celebrate mass at while they're in town, and we followed along with Wilford Fox Napier, who's a cardinal from Durbin, South Africa, as he went to his church out in the working class suburbs of Rome. He told the parishioners that they should look for the person that can give meaning in their lives, meaning Jesus Chris, and then he addressed a problem that's been on the cardinals' minds all the last days here, and that is the question of the shortage of priests. He turned to the young people in the audience and he suggested that they should consider a career in the priesthood.

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CARDINAL WILFORD FOX NAPIER, DURBIN, SOUTH AFRICA: And for those young ones who are present here, since we are going to be electing a pope during this coming week, I'm praying that some of you will become priests so that next time there's a conclave, you may be one of the candidates. I hope that's a prayer that you will ask that God will answer for us.

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BITTERMANN: A number of the cardinals seem to be preparing their parishioners for change, a number of them talked about change, the change that's going to come with the new papacy. One in particular, Ivan Dias from Mumbai, India, here's what he told his church this morning.

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CARDINAL IVAN DIAS, MUMBAI, INDIA (through translator): Even the church needs constant renewal. The Lord planted the seed through John XXIII. Then came Pope Paul VI, who started putting into practice the guidelines of the Vatican council. Then came John Paul I, a very brief papacy, only 33 days. When we drive a car, there's a point when we shift gears, it only takes a few seconds, but we move to a higher gear. That's what the pontificate of John Paul I was like, a change of gear so that John Paul II went full speed ahead.

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BITTERMANN: The cardinals take advantage of their last few hours of freedom before the seclusion in conclave beginning tomorrow -- Tony.

HARRIS: Jim Bittermann in Rome for us. Jim, thank you.

And checking stories around the world the focus is on South Asia this morning.

NGUYEN: That's right, after or nearly six decades of animosity, India and Pakistan are talking peace, when it comes to the long disputed region of Kashmir. For details let's go to Anand Naidoo at the CNN International Desk.

Good morning, Annan.

ANAND NAIDOO, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Hey, good morning. Yeah, you're quite right. It's one of these hot button issues that's led to several wars between India and Pakistan. The latest we have is that Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf had held two-and-a-half hours of talks. The atmosphere was described as very warm. They're expected to sign an agreement to reduce troop levels on their border and create a trade council.

India and Pakistan, they share control of Kashmir, which was divided in 1947. A previous attempt to resolve that problem in 2001 failed.

Now, on to Iraq: A hostage crisis near Baghdad. We're getting reports that Shiites in the village of Madaen have been kidnapped by Sunni militants. There are conflicting reports about the number being held. Police say there are no more than four to six being held. Elsewhere, insurgents attacked a U.S. military camp in Ramadi, killing three U.S. soldiers, seven other are wounded, three seriously. Ramadi is about 70 miles west of Baghdad. Some of the militants were killed. This latest assault, in Ramadi there, brings to 20, the number of people who've been killed in Baghdad in the past week, in a wave of attacks, those attacks taking place across Baghdad and across Baghdad, as well.

Now moving across to outer space: A Russian Soyuz rocket, carrying two astronauts and a cosmonaut, has successfully docked with the International Space Station. One of the astronauts, an Italian, will spend eight days in space. This latest launch could pave the way for the launch of the space shuttle, and there's a delivery and repair mission of the space shuttle that's expected to take place no later than mid-May.

This is all for me, now back to Betty and Tony.

HARRIS: Anand, thank you.

NGUYEN: Well, we begin our "Stories Across America," right now, on the ground of the University of California at Berkeley. There will be no more frat parties Pi Kappa Phi, their social activities have been suspended until further notice. This, after a 19-year-old student was shot at least 30 times in the chest with a BB gun in an alleged hazing incident. He was not seriously hurt, but an investigation is under way.

Also, the ground is still shaking in California. Aftershocks are rumbling a day after a magnitude 5.1 earthquake hit Kern County. The tremor even shook buildings in Los Angeles, some 85 miles away. There is no immediate reports of danger or injuries, but experts are warning of dozens of aftershocks in the next few days.

The cruise ship Norwegian Dawn is docked in South Carolina this morning for some needed repairs. Yesterday, on its normal route between New York and the Bahamas, it was hit by a freak wave that smashed in two windows, flooded 62 cabins and injured four passengers.

HARRIS: It is time to put your brain on a diet. OK. Well, not exactly, but a new book says there are foods that you can eat to make your brain happy and make weight loss a breeze. We'll tell what you they are when CNN SUNDAY MORNING continues.

NGUYEN: First a "CNN Extra." Home prices are soaring across the country. The hottest markets like New York, San Francisco and L.A., well, they had a 12 percent hike in property value last year. Compare that to a nearly 35 percent jump in Las Vegas. If you're in the market for a slightly used home, try Palm Beach, Florida. Financier Nelson Peltz's 44,000 square foot estate is listed at $75 million. It's the most expensive listing in the entire country.

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ARON RALSTON, CLIMBER: My name is Aron Ralston. My parents are Donna and Larry Ralston, of Englewood, Colorado.

ANNOUNCER: His name may not be familiar, but Aron Ralston's desperate act of survival became headline news in the spring of 2003. The 27-year-old was climbing alone in a remote Utah canyon when his right hand became pinned under an 800-pound boulder. Six days he was trapped with little food and water until he took drastic action.

RALSTON: I reached for the knife, said out loud to myself, "Here we go, Aron, you're in it now," very calmly and collectedly, went about the process of pushing the knife into my arm.

ANNOUNCER: After cutting off his arm, Ralston still had to rappel down a cliff and then hike five miles to find help. After several surgeries and a painful recovery, he was climbing mountains just a few months later. Ralston chronicled the experience in his book, "Between a Rock and a Hard Place." He is now a motivational speaker, sharing the lessons he learned.

RALSTON: Even the impossible can be overcome by courage and perseverance.

ANNOUNCER: Ralston is still climbing mountains with the help of a custom climbing arm. He recently summited Mt. Aconcagua in Argentina and says the drive to find the next mountain is what sustains him.

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ANNOUNCER: This is CNN, watched by more Americans than any other news channel. Now back to CNN SUNDAY MORNING with Betty Nguyen and Tony Harris.

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HARRIS: And checking the hour's top stories now, police in Florida say they found the body of missing 13-year-old Sarah Lunde. The body was found partially submerged in a fish pond near her home.

Iraqi security forces are going door to door in a village near Baghdad to look for a group of people kidnapped during a raid on the Shiite masque. As many as six people were reportedly taken by Sunni insurgents.

And cardinals in Rome are preparing for a conclave that will decide the next Catholic pope. The meeting begins tomorrow and will end once two-thirds of the 115 cardinals agree on the next leader of the church.

Tom DeLay has come under fire in recent months for alleged ethics violations. Some are even calling for his resignation. So, we're asking you this morning: Should the House majority leader resign? We're reading your e-mails later this hour. NGUYEN: All right, if you had a hard time controlling your weight, despite all kinds of diets, the problem might be in your head, literally. Understanding your brain type could be the key to achieving a proper weight. This unique concept is in the book, "Eat Right for Your Brain Type." And here to explain more about how it works are the authors, Dr. Andrew Packard and his wife, Gina Mandel, who is a registered nurse.

We thank you for being on the show this morning.

DR. ANDREW PACKARD, "EAT RIGHT FOR YOUR BRAIN TYPE": Thank you for having us.

GINA MANDEL, "EAT RIGHT FOR YOUR BRAIN TYPE": Thank you for having us.

NGUYEN: All right, Dr. Packard, let's start with you. There are so many diets out there. You know, they deal with carbs, calories, exercise, why does yours focus on the brain?

PACKARD: Ultimately, the brain determines who we are and what we eat. Food is a drug, and this happens to be soy powder, but it's a drug, and all foods impact the brain. And unless we understand how the brain works to control our cravings to eat, we're not going to solve the obesity crisis.

NGUYEN: OK, so the key is learning your brain type, which is really, basically, you know, the title of your book, "Eat Right for Your Brain Type." How easy is it to determine what your brain type is?

PACKARD: Very, very easy. We have come up with very simple questions that everybody can ask themselves to determine the approximate levels of four chemicals in the brain that determine exactly how and what we eat.

NGUYEN: OK. So Gina, let's talk about these different brain types, shall we?

Sure.

NGUYEN: Give us -- say the first three and what you should eat to feed that brain type.

MANDEL: OK, well, when you're -- when we meet with our patients, Dr. Packard always does his comprehensive medical evaluation and then I review the brain types which are linked to four important chemicals in the brain. So, the first two I go over are motivation and creativity. Motivation is your energy to move, how -- so if I were asking you, I'd say, "How much energy do you use on a daily basis? Do you use a lot? Or are you a couch potato, or are you somewhere in between?"

NGUYEN: Are you asking me?

HARRIS: Yes. NGUYEN: OK, well, I use a lot, I think.

MANDEL: OK, so you have high motivation. Then I'd ask you about your creativity. So, do you have a constant flow of original ideas or do you need outside simulation to stay entertained or are you somewhere in the middle?

NGUYEN: I'm on the high end, but I need stimulation every now and then to get those juices flowing so I can capture those ideas and put them into action.

MANDEL: So you just told me that you have high levels of dopamine in your brain, one of the chemicals connected to your impulse to eat.

NGUYEN: OK, so what should I eat then, what are the foods?

MANDEL: So, we're looking at, you need protein to keep these levels high. You like that feeling of high dopamine, high creativity and motivation, so we have a wonderful protein shake we often recommend to our patients weight loss. Protein is what enhances dopamine. Our protein shake would be a great choice for you.

NGUYEN: OK, I see, and now another brain type is dealing with how focused you are. What should people eat in order to stay more focused?

MANDEL: OK, to stay more focused you need complex carbohydrate. Those are the good carbs like fruits, vegetables, whole grains, unprocessed grains, and bread.

NGUYEN: All right. All right, Dr. Packard, let's go through the last three. They deal with happiness, security and intimacy, which is very interesting here. Tell us what they reveal and what kind of foods we need to eat in order to feed that brain type.

PACKARD: Well, happiness is your feeling of being happy or sad, and we know that carbohydrates enhance those, particularly the good ones, because that's serotonin mediated. The one that we're really looking at, that's very interesting that most people have not heard about is gava, which is your feeling of security, how safe you feel in your environment. Do you have panic attacks? Hyper-vigilant? Or do you feel very safe and comfortable in your environment? How do you tend to feel?

NGUYEN: I tend to be always on the lookout, I think.

PACKARD: Then you would not -- you would want to eat foods that are fermented: yeast, vinegars, soy...

NGUYEN: So, that's why I like pickles, then?

PACKARD: Oh, that's why you love your pickles.

NGUYEN: I got it. I got it.

PACKARD: And that's actually a great food, by the way, for gava that's not so high.

NGUYEN: So I can continue eating these things. You're saying that these are foods that I need to use for my brain type?

PACKARD: Yes, absolutely.

NGUYEN: OK, I got you. OK, but you know what? These brain types fluctuate throughout the day. Sometimes you feel secure, sometimes you feel happy, but it isn't the same every day. So what do you do? How do you know when they fluctuate and what foods to eat to counter that?

PACKARD: Well, that's a great question. And most people, we found in the 2,000 people that we've evaluated, end up with food addictions because they don't know how to look at their brain and eat for it. But, the way you do it is simply know the six brain types in our book, "Eat Right for your Brain Type," you can actually develop your own exchanges to treat your individual brain and this is something we're trying to offer that's new to do something about this obesity epidemic and also to prevent it. In somebody like you, we don't want you to start eating the wrong foods to feel safe when you can actually eat very good foods to make your brain feel better and safer without becoming addicted.

NGUYEN: Right, in fact, you have a lot of recipes in this book "Eat Right for your Brain Type," Dr. Andrew Packard and Gina Mandel, we thank you for your information today. Very interesting stuff. And I'll keep eating my pickles.

MANDEL: Yes, you can.

NGUYEN: All right. Thanks.

MANDEL: Thank you.

HARRIS: And once again, good morning, Raleigh, North Carolina, boy we have enjoyed watching the sun rise over your favorite city this morning. Rob Marciano is back in just a couple minutes with the rest of the weekend forecast when CNN SUNDAY MORNING returns.

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HARRIS: Let's take you straight to Washington, D.C., now, for a preview of this morning's "On the Story" with Kathleen Hays.

Good morning, Kathleen.

KATHLEEN HAYS, "ON THE STORY": Hi there, Tony. Well, we've got another great show for you. We're "ON THE STORY" from here in Washington to Atlanta and Miami, Baghdad and the Vatican.

Susan Candiotti has the latest on the apparent murder of a missing 13-year-old girl in Florida. We're monitoring a service at her church, this morning.

Vatican analyst, Delia Gallagher, sets a scene for us on the eve of the conclave to choose the next pope.

I'll talk about why this was the worst day, Friday, on Wall Street since 2003. And hey, what about next week? Got to stay tuned because that is all coming up all "On the Story," Tony.

HARRIS: That was a rough Friday. We felt it. Kathleen, thanks.

NGUYEN: All right, let's get to some answers of our e-mail question today, deals with Representative DeLay. Do you think House Majority Leader Tom DeLay should step down? And this is dealing with some ethics violations or at least accused ethics violations, out there, with Mr. DeLay. And Matt from Dallas says and Milwaukee, he's both: "As a native Texan and a lifelong Republican, I am disappointed and embarrassed, not only by the actions of Rep. DeLay, but those of my party in an anything-goes effort to shield him from his own actions."

HARRIS: And Betty, this from Terry, this morning: "I figure Tom DeLay is the Republican version of 'truth in advertising.' If he is representing the party's values, then he should keep up the good work."

NGUYEN: Listen to this one, this is from an anonymous person, and maybe you'll see why. The person writes: "It is not possible for someone like DeLay to simply 'step down.' To rid us of his kind someone needs to call 1-800-THE EXORCIST!"

HARRIS: OK.

NGUYEN: That was a -- that was punch, there. Of course, this person didn't say what their name is.

HARRIS: And we want to thank you for all the e-mail responses this morning and get you quickly to Rob Marciano at the CNN Weather Center for a final check of the nation's weather.

Morning, Rob.

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NGUYEN: I'm not too affected by it, this right now. It's the ragweed...

HARRIS: Have a good day, Rob Marciano. It's been a good morning, huh?

NGUYEN: Yeah.

HARRIS: Um, eat your soy, all right?

NGUYEN: I know, that's right, and those pickles.

HARRIS: Thanks for watching this morning, we'll see you back here next weekend.

NGUYEN: Absolutely, "ON THE STORY" is next, so stay tuned for that.

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TONY HARRIS, CNN ANCHOR: The search for this missing Florida teen comes to a sad end, and the community prepares to mourn together. From the CNN Center in Atlanta this is CNN SUNDAY MORNING. It is April 17th. Good Sunday morning to you. I'm Tony Harris.
BETTY NGUYEN, CNN ANCHOR: And I'm Betty Nguyen. It is 9 a.m. here in the east, 6 a.m. out west. We want to thank you for joining us on this Sunday.

Florida police will drain a pond after finding the body of a teenager believed to be 13-year-old Sarah Lunde. They say there was an obvious green cast on the body just like the one Lunde had when she disappeared last week.

Police in Ruskin are gathering for church service, and CNN will bring that to you live right here in about an hour.

One hundred fifteen cardinals in Rome are getting ready to elect a new leader for the Roman Catholic Church. The group is moving into the new Vatican hotel today to begin the official conclave tomorrow. The meeting will not end until a two thirds majority agrees on the next pope.

And we have contact. That's the word from a Russian Soyuz rocket carrying two astronauts and a cosmonaut to the international space station. Now if all goes as planned the ISS will host the space shuttle Discovery when it launches next month.

HARRIS: And here's what we've got coming up this hour. Two new government reports conclude airport security screening is live a sieve. A CNN security analyst joins us live in just a few minutes.

Plus, a soldier's story of living to tell detail of comrades in arms in Baghdad.

And diet gurus who tell you to eat right for your brain type. All will be revealed later this hour.

NGUYEN: Up first though it will take an autopsy to confirm what loved ones already fear. A week after 13 year old Sarah Lunde disappeared in Florida it seems her body was found in a pond near her home. After the identity is confirmed, police will begin to tackle the questions of who did it and how it happened.

For the latest now we go to CNN's Sara Dorsey in Ruskin, Florida. Sara, what do you know?

SARA DORSEY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Betty, I can tell you CNN has learned some disturbing new details about this crime. According to law enforcement agents, Sara Lunde's body was weighed down. Apparently her killer was trying to keep her body under the water. We know now that was not successful.

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DORSEY (voice-over): After five long days of tirelessly searching for 13-year-old Sarah Lunde, the end no one wanted to hear. A search dog lead authorities to her body in an abandoned fish farm only a half mile from her home.

SHERIFF DAVID GEE, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY FLORIDA: It was clear from investigators that worked the scene that whoever put her there went to great effort to conceal her body.

DORSEY: This is the second missing child case in this area in the last few months. Mark Lunsford knows the outcome too well. In February his nine year old daughter, Jessica, disappeared. Her body was found three weeks later. The man charged, a convicted sex offender.

MARK LUNSFORD, FATHER OF 9-YEAR-OLD SLAIN GIRL: Too close to home. I could reach him. So I wanted to help just the same way people did for me. And when I got down here I found out that her brother was up there looking for Jessica.

DORSEY: Sarah's pastor says he was almost like a dad to her. He said it's hard to understand how this could happen to a 13 year old who loved life and had so much living yet to do.

JOHNNY COOK, PASTOR: Inside I'm broken because of what's happened to her is beyond imagination.

DORSEY: The sheriff is not naming any suspects, but is talking to this man, 36 year old David Onstott, a convicted sex offender who had a relationship with Sarah's mother. Onstott is now in jail on unrelated charges.

Pastor Cook says whoever did this will eventually have to pay the ultimate price.

COOK: God will ring him to justice. God knows who and who they are and what's happening. And they will never get away from that.

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DORSEY: And this has been an emotional roller coaster for everyone here at the First Apostolic Church, Sarah's church. Today at 10 o'clock they are planning a memorial in her honor.

Betty.

NGUYEN: Sara, we know searchers have been looking in and around Lunde's home. Do you know what lead them to that particular pond yesterday where the body was found?

DORSEY: I can tell you that according to the sheriff, he was confident that in a three quarter mile area around the home, just based on statistics that come in on these missing children, that they could find her body in that area. They had already searched that area, walking through that particular pond, but because the body was weighed down in very murky water, the sheriff tells us they were not able to find her.

He had been taking samples of the water temperatures, waiting in case there was a body in water, gauging how many days it would take before possibly it could come up. They did not know for sure that she was in water, and they did not know for sure she was in that area. But it was in that three quarter mile general area. So that's why they went back and looked again yesterday.

NGUYEN: And autopsy results will determine the official identity of the body, which is believe to be Sarah Lunde. Again, that church service beginning at 10 o'clock eastern. Thank you Sara Dorsey in Florida.

HARRIS: Two new government reports blast airport security screening saying travelers aren't any safer than before 9/11. Clark Kent Ervin, former inspector general for the Homeland Security Department says some things have improved, but there's room for much more improvement.

Clark is a CNN security analyst, and he joins us live from our Washington bureau. Clark, good to see you this morning. This is pretty disturbing.

CLARK KENT ERVIN, CNN SECURITY ANALYST: It is disturbing news, Tony, absolutely. As you say, there have been some improvements in aviation security since 9/11, but these two new reports out this week will apparently show that airport screeners are no better able to detect deadly weapons than they were then.

HARRIS: Clark I know you've done a lot of work in this area, and we're going to break this thing down as best we can here this morning. Let me first get you to respond to this quote from Republican Congressman John Mica, who has seen the report. He says, "A lot of people will be shocked at the billions of dollars we've spent and the results they're going to see." Goes on to say, "Which confirm previous examinations of the Soviet style screening system that we have put in place." Do you agree with that assessment?

ERVIN: Well, the congressman is referring to reports that my old office, the Office of Inspector General and the GAO, the Government Accountability Office, Congress' investigative arm, issued a couple of years ago showing that screeners weren't able to detect these items when they should be.

And apparently the results this week will show essentially the same thing, no improvement in screeners ability. I think the congressman is supportive of the notion of going back to private screening. And I believe there are problems with that as well. HARRIS: What do you think of that idea?

ERVIN: Well, I think in the end, of course, private companies primary concern is the bottom line. And of course we had private screeners before 9/11 and the results are plain for all to see. So I'd be concerned about going back to a system like that.

HARRIS: OK, Clark, what has gone wrong here? Is it about people? Is it about equipment? A little bit of both?

ERVIN: A little bit of both. Part of it is training. When we did our report in '03, we said that screeners need to be trained on a continual, regular basis. It needs to be documented. It needs to be standardized. It needs to be localized. It needs to be done during duty hours.

It's also, as you suggest, partly an equipment issue. There are certain kinds of equipment, back scatter technology that can see through clothing to make sure that no hidden weapons are there on the body, multi view x-ray machines that can rotate back so that in every conceivable configuration weapons can be found.

So it's both training, equipment, technology, policy and procedures and management and supervision. Supervisors need to do a better job of making sure that the screeners are doing their jobs.

HARRIS: Clark we've spent billions so far in setting up TSA. So why don't we have the equipment that you just described?

ERVIN: Well, I couldn't agree with you more. We have spent billions in this area. TSA in particular has done a very poor job over the course of its short history of spending the money that has been appropriate to it. And I'm very hopeful that the new leadership at the department will move TSA in particular and the department in general in a new direction sot hat the limited money available for this purpose is used in the most effective and efficient way.

HARRIS: OK, Clark, let's leave it there for now. I'm sure we'll be talking about this over the next few days, and certainly once the report is released. Thank you. Thanks for taking the time this morning.

ERVIN: Thank you, Tony.

HARRIS: And stay tuned to CNN day and night for the most reliable news about your security.

NGUYEN: At the NRA convention in Houston, House Majority Leader Tom DeLay took pot shots at liberal Democrats, and the national media.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The Honorable Tom DeLay.

(END VIDEO CLIP) NGUYEN: In the keynote address, DeLay only briefly mentioned alleged ethics violations. He put it this way, quote, "When a man is in trouble or in a good fight you want to have your friends around, preferably armed."

HARRIS: DeLay has come under fire in recent months for alleged ethics violations. Questions have been raised about payments for overseas travel. DeLay's ties to lobbyist who are under investigation in campaign payments to family members. One Republican is even calling for DeLay's resignation. So what do you think? Should the House majority leader resign? E-mail us our thoughts on that question at wam@cnn.com and we'll read some of those replies a little later this hour.

NGUYEN: But right now we want you to take a look at this video. Specialist Jeremy Church faced this fiery scene last year when his fuel convoy was ambushed by insurgents in Iraq. What did he do in the face of danger? Well, we will have his story in today's soldier's story.

HARRIS: Plus, the world is waiting. Today the Vatican prepares to elect a new pope. What are the cardinals thinking just before the conclave begins? Our Jim Bittermann has a live report from Rome. But first, Rob Marciano.

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HARRIS: This morning's soldier's story tells the tale of a Silver Star and the bonds formed in combat. I talked earlier to two reservists who fought a fierce battle in Baghdad and lived to tell the tale.

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LT. MATTHEW BROWN, U.S. ARMY RESERVE: We were on the outskirts of northwest Baghdad heading to Baghdad International Airport, and we started taking small arms fire, rocket propelled grenades, improvised explosive devices. And also there were reports of mortars being walked in. It was coming from all sides, just a huge volume of fire, and estimated number of 200 to 300 insurgents so it was a huge attack.

We were trying to negotiate through the ambush because there was also a lot of debris on the roads that was obviously placed there on purpose to try to slow down the convoy. Specialist Church, my driver, negotiated through those obstacles and I directed him to get over on a side road.

Basically we were just trying to get out of there as quick as possible to make sure that we still had all of our troops with us.

HARRIS: Specialist Church, what do you remember about that attack?

SPECIALIST CHURCH, U.S. ARMY RESERVE: I remember -- there's a lot of things I remember about the attack, but as far as he left off is he trained me how to do his job. He made sure that I knew how to do it in case something happened on the day where he couldn't, you know, perform the job any longer. Like if he was wounded, shot, or even, you know, would be taken down in action.

And during that day so far we were just aggressively steering through the areas, trying to keep through, keeping communications with the rest of the soldiers from 724 and the civilian drivers that were with us.

HARRIS: What do you remember about he moment right after Lieutenant Brown was hit? Because what I understand is there was a moment in time when you're trying to bring him whatever comfort you can you're driving through this maze, this obstacle course, and you're also trying to get off a round or two at the insurgents who were firing on you. Is that correct?

CHURCH: Yes, sir it actually is. The only thing I actually remember is, oh my Lord you got shot, giving him a pat. I hope he makes it through this. Now I have to get the rest of the convoy through it. I hope they follow, as they are trained to do, and hopefully I'll stay on the right route. That's what happened.

HARRIS: And Lieutenant Brown, you know, there's one thing to fall back on your training, there is another thing to be brave and then there is what your specialist did. Did he exceed expectations?

BROWN: Above and beyond by all means. He exceeded anybody's expectations. We can only hope that as Army Reserve soldiers we'd all be willing to do the same thing. But that's the moment of truth right there. And what he did is he put his life -- he put the lives of our soldiers behind his life. It was obviously more important that he got them out of there than worrying about getting hurt himself.

HARRIS: Explain that for those of us who aren't in the military, haven't gone through that training, can't understand how someone does that. My understanding is you were being shot at by up to 200 insurgents. So explain to me how he gets you to safety and then decides to go back into harms way and to help others.

BROWN: Well, he could actually see one of the vehicles that was stranded out there and he knew that it's our unit that's out there. It's not just our soldiers, it's not just our brothers, it's our family. He knew that they had to get out of there and he saw an opportunity to take by getting the cab unit that was there, that was helping us out, getting them involved.

He got several vehicles from that unit to go out there into the kill zone to get those -- to retrieve those personnel and he went out with them. Now the most interesting part of this story, the most heroic part of this story is after he got all of those people out of the Humvee that had broken down he remained out in the kill zone because there was not enough room for everybody. So he held on to one soldier and said stay out here with me. They stayed out in that kill zone all by themselves until the cab come back for them.

HARRIS: Wait a minute. What you're saying to me is that he stays in what you're calling the kill zone until help arrives and this is a zone where there is fire all around.

BROWN: That is absolutely correct.

HARRIS: Well, Specialist Church why did you do that?

CHURCH: Sir, that's my family out there and those were wounded men and soldiers. Me personally I would rather fall in combat than see any of my friends or family.

HARRIS: And for all of that bravery you get the Silver Star?

CHURCH: Yes, sir.

HARRIS: For, I looked it up, for gallantry. How proud are you of that award?

CHURCH: I'm very honored by wearing it. And what makes me happier are my friends and family that are proud to see me earn the medal.

HARRIS: And what do you think of that man who is next to you, who was responsible for so much of the training, who put you in a position to know what you needed to know to act on hat day, the fact that you were able to help him survive and there he is next to you?

CHURCH: Not only is my commander a life long fried, and you know in a certain kind of bond I do love this man.

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HARRIS: A "Soldier's Story" this morning. I got one other note. A missing U.S. soldier has been promoted to Sargent. Specialist Keith Matt Maupin is one of two Americans missing since their convoy came under attack near the Baghdad airport in 2004. A civilian contractor is also unaccounted for. Maupin's official Army status is listed as missing is, captured. The promotion allows his family to receive higher salary and benefits.

NGUYEN: In our top stories today. The search for that missing Florida girl ends in tragedy. The boy of Michelle -- Sarah Michelle Lunde was found partially submerged in a pond near her home. Her community will gather in an hour for church service, and we will have that live right here on CNN.

Also today, Iraqi security forces are conducting door to door searches in a village south of Baghdad. Sunni militants are reportedly holding Shiite Muslims hostage. But there are conflicting reports about the number of hostages who were captured during a raid on a mosque there.

And tomorrow at the Vatican, the cardinals conclave begins the task of electing a new pope. One hundred and fifteen cardinals will select one of their own to be the new pontiff. If no pope is chosen after three days they will take a day of reflection as it's called, Tony. HARRIS: And listen to this. A student is shot dozens of items with a BB gun at one California university. Believe it or not, it's being called hazing. We're gong across America ahead on CNN SUNDAY MORNING.

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HARRIS: I think for most of the morning we have enjoyed the sunrise over Raleigh, North Carolina.

NGUYEN: It's been beautiful.

HARRIS: Hasn't it been great.

NGUYEN: And the weather has been nice out here in the east. I wonder what it's like around the nation this morning.

Hey, Rob has been looking into that crystal ball of his.

Rob?

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NGUYEN: For many of our viewers the sun has barely risen, but the surf is already up. Here with a look at some of the most popular stories on cnn.com is Veronica De La Cruz. Good morning.

VERONICA DE LA CRUZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning. How are you doing?

NGUYEN: I'm doing very well. Surf's up I hear.

DE LA CRUZ: Surf is up and I'm going to tell you all about it.

NGUYEN: OK.

DE LA CRUZ: But before we get to that I'm actually going to tell you how to find these stories. To find them you want to go ahead and go to our main page and click on the icon most popular, which is on the right hand side of your screen. You can also type in cnn.com/most popular.

Now our number one story right now, drug enforcement agency officials figure something was a little fishy when they confiscated more than 2200 pounds of cocaine. ..

NGUYEN: Goodness.

DE LA CRUZ: ...2200 pounds of cocaine. Now the shipment had come from a seafood processing plant in Peru. The drugs had been packed in the cans of fish, Betty.

NGUYEN: Of all things, cans of fish?

DE LA CRUZ: Cans of fish, yes, Charlie tuna. A surprise there. Don't tell Charlie. Another odd story on the Web right now. It is the year 1966, which bands do you think were on top, the Beach Boys, the Stones? How about the Beetles. I wasn't born yet so I'm going to turn to Tony.

HARRIS: It must end at some point, mustn't it?

DE LA CRUZ: Well, Tony it as Herb Alpert, with Whipped Cream.

HARRIS: The Tijuana -- OK, got you, got you.

DE LA CRUZ: Oh, he knows.

HARRIS: Yes, yes, yes, sure.

DE LA CRUZ: And Whipped Cream is getting a 40th anniversary re- release. The album came out in 1965, Tony, which I know you remember, and stayed at number one for eight weeks. It stayed on the charts for nearly three years and you can find the records in stores this Tuesday.

Do you guys remember Herb Alpert?

HARRIS: Oh, of course.

NGUYEN: Oh, yes absolutely.

DE LA CRUZ: Da da ta da ta da da da, right?

HARRIS: Very good.

DE LA CRUZ: I have no clue, but I hear it's a good one. How about that.

HARRIS: Veronica, thanks.

NGUYEN: Thank you, Veronica.

HARRIS: The world waits as the Vatican prepares for the start of tomorrow's top secret conclave to elect a new pope. A live report from Rome is straight ahead.

NGUYEN: Plus there's a new way to lose weight. Here it is. Eat what your brain is hungry for. Well, it's not as simple as just that though. You can't eat what you carve all the time. We'll show you how it works when CNN SUNDAY MORNING returns.

HARRIS: Plus, a trip back in time with the legendary Herb Alpert. We were just talking about it just a second ago.

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NGUYEN: Authorities in Ruskin, Florida, say there is little doubt that a body found partially submerged in a pond is that of Sarah Michelle Lunde, the missing 13-year-old. An autopsy will confirm identity and it will also provide a cause of death. The Hillsborough County sheriff says it appears she was killed shortly after her overnight disappearance last weekend. The Lunde family will hold a church service next hour and CNN will have live coverage.

There are more anti-Japanese protests flaring today in China. Look at at this, demonstrators cite Japan's wartime past as reason to deny it a permanent seat on the United Nations Security Council. Tokyo is demanding that China apologize for vandalism to its diplomatic missions in China, but just a short time ago Beijing rejected the call.

And the rising cost of oil has emerged as the central topic at this weekend's meeting of major industrialized countries. The group of seven, or G-7 for short, began meeting yesterday, just one day after Wall Street experienced its worst sessions in two years. High oil prices and their impact on the world economy are blamed for the slide.

HARRIS: The world waits as the cardinals gather. The leaders of the Roman Catholic Church are assembling right now at the Vatican to prepare for their selection of the next pope. Today, there will be final discussions before tomorrow's start of the ultra-secret conclave. For a closer look, we turn now to CNN's Jim Bittermann in Rome.

Hi, Jim.

JIM BITTERMANN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Tony. You know, the cardinals like to say they trust the Holy Ghost to guide their hands when they're deciding about who to vote for in this election. One of the cardinals told me this morning that the Holy Ghost is going to have to be working overtime in the next few days, because as they go into this conclave it's clear that there are no -- there is no consensus on what exactly the issues are. Everyone seems to have a different set of priorities. And there is no real block of votes for any one particular candidate and yet -- none the yet -- nonetheless, the cardinals believe that they're going to be able to come up with a pope in the next three to four days.

Now, while the cardinals took advantage of today by going out to their titular churches, these are churches in the Rome area that they've all been assigned to sort of look after and celebrate mass at while they're in town, and we followed along with Wilford Fox Napier, who's a cardinal from Durbin, South Africa, as he went to his church out in the working class suburbs of Rome. He told the parishioners that they should look for the person that can give meaning in their lives, meaning Jesus Chris, and then he addressed a problem that's been on the cardinals' minds all the last days here, and that is the question of the shortage of priests. He turned to the young people in the audience and he suggested that they should consider a career in the priesthood.

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CARDINAL WILFORD FOX NAPIER, DURBIN, SOUTH AFRICA: And for those young ones who are present here, since we are going to be electing a pope during this coming week, I'm praying that some of you will become priests so that next time there's a conclave, you may be one of the candidates. I hope that's a prayer that you will ask that God will answer for us.

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BITTERMANN: A number of the cardinals seem to be preparing their parishioners for change, a number of them talked about change, the change that's going to come with the new papacy. One in particular, Ivan Dias from Mumbai, India, here's what he told his church this morning.

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CARDINAL IVAN DIAS, MUMBAI, INDIA (through translator): Even the church needs constant renewal. The Lord planted the seed through John XXIII. Then came Pope Paul VI, who started putting into practice the guidelines of the Vatican council. Then came John Paul I, a very brief papacy, only 33 days. When we drive a car, there's a point when we shift gears, it only takes a few seconds, but we move to a higher gear. That's what the pontificate of John Paul I was like, a change of gear so that John Paul II went full speed ahead.

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BITTERMANN: The cardinals take advantage of their last few hours of freedom before the seclusion in conclave beginning tomorrow -- Tony.

HARRIS: Jim Bittermann in Rome for us. Jim, thank you.

And checking stories around the world the focus is on South Asia this morning.

NGUYEN: That's right, after or nearly six decades of animosity, India and Pakistan are talking peace, when it comes to the long disputed region of Kashmir. For details let's go to Anand Naidoo at the CNN International Desk.

Good morning, Annan.

ANAND NAIDOO, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Hey, good morning. Yeah, you're quite right. It's one of these hot button issues that's led to several wars between India and Pakistan. The latest we have is that Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf had held two-and-a-half hours of talks. The atmosphere was described as very warm. They're expected to sign an agreement to reduce troop levels on their border and create a trade council.

India and Pakistan, they share control of Kashmir, which was divided in 1947. A previous attempt to resolve that problem in 2001 failed.

Now, on to Iraq: A hostage crisis near Baghdad. We're getting reports that Shiites in the village of Madaen have been kidnapped by Sunni militants. There are conflicting reports about the number being held. Police say there are no more than four to six being held. Elsewhere, insurgents attacked a U.S. military camp in Ramadi, killing three U.S. soldiers, seven other are wounded, three seriously. Ramadi is about 70 miles west of Baghdad. Some of the militants were killed. This latest assault, in Ramadi there, brings to 20, the number of people who've been killed in Baghdad in the past week, in a wave of attacks, those attacks taking place across Baghdad and across Baghdad, as well.

Now moving across to outer space: A Russian Soyuz rocket, carrying two astronauts and a cosmonaut, has successfully docked with the International Space Station. One of the astronauts, an Italian, will spend eight days in space. This latest launch could pave the way for the launch of the space shuttle, and there's a delivery and repair mission of the space shuttle that's expected to take place no later than mid-May.

This is all for me, now back to Betty and Tony.

HARRIS: Anand, thank you.

NGUYEN: Well, we begin our "Stories Across America," right now, on the ground of the University of California at Berkeley. There will be no more frat parties Pi Kappa Phi, their social activities have been suspended until further notice. This, after a 19-year-old student was shot at least 30 times in the chest with a BB gun in an alleged hazing incident. He was not seriously hurt, but an investigation is under way.

Also, the ground is still shaking in California. Aftershocks are rumbling a day after a magnitude 5.1 earthquake hit Kern County. The tremor even shook buildings in Los Angeles, some 85 miles away. There is no immediate reports of danger or injuries, but experts are warning of dozens of aftershocks in the next few days.

The cruise ship Norwegian Dawn is docked in South Carolina this morning for some needed repairs. Yesterday, on its normal route between New York and the Bahamas, it was hit by a freak wave that smashed in two windows, flooded 62 cabins and injured four passengers.

HARRIS: It is time to put your brain on a diet. OK. Well, not exactly, but a new book says there are foods that you can eat to make your brain happy and make weight loss a breeze. We'll tell what you they are when CNN SUNDAY MORNING continues.

NGUYEN: First a "CNN Extra." Home prices are soaring across the country. The hottest markets like New York, San Francisco and L.A., well, they had a 12 percent hike in property value last year. Compare that to a nearly 35 percent jump in Las Vegas. If you're in the market for a slightly used home, try Palm Beach, Florida. Financier Nelson Peltz's 44,000 square foot estate is listed at $75 million. It's the most expensive listing in the entire country.

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ARON RALSTON, CLIMBER: My name is Aron Ralston. My parents are Donna and Larry Ralston, of Englewood, Colorado.

ANNOUNCER: His name may not be familiar, but Aron Ralston's desperate act of survival became headline news in the spring of 2003. The 27-year-old was climbing alone in a remote Utah canyon when his right hand became pinned under an 800-pound boulder. Six days he was trapped with little food and water until he took drastic action.

RALSTON: I reached for the knife, said out loud to myself, "Here we go, Aron, you're in it now," very calmly and collectedly, went about the process of pushing the knife into my arm.

ANNOUNCER: After cutting off his arm, Ralston still had to rappel down a cliff and then hike five miles to find help. After several surgeries and a painful recovery, he was climbing mountains just a few months later. Ralston chronicled the experience in his book, "Between a Rock and a Hard Place." He is now a motivational speaker, sharing the lessons he learned.

RALSTON: Even the impossible can be overcome by courage and perseverance.

ANNOUNCER: Ralston is still climbing mountains with the help of a custom climbing arm. He recently summited Mt. Aconcagua in Argentina and says the drive to find the next mountain is what sustains him.

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ANNOUNCER: This is CNN, watched by more Americans than any other news channel. Now back to CNN SUNDAY MORNING with Betty Nguyen and Tony Harris.

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HARRIS: And checking the hour's top stories now, police in Florida say they found the body of missing 13-year-old Sarah Lunde. The body was found partially submerged in a fish pond near her home.

Iraqi security forces are going door to door in a village near Baghdad to look for a group of people kidnapped during a raid on the Shiite masque. As many as six people were reportedly taken by Sunni insurgents.

And cardinals in Rome are preparing for a conclave that will decide the next Catholic pope. The meeting begins tomorrow and will end once two-thirds of the 115 cardinals agree on the next leader of the church.

Tom DeLay has come under fire in recent months for alleged ethics violations. Some are even calling for his resignation. So, we're asking you this morning: Should the House majority leader resign? We're reading your e-mails later this hour. NGUYEN: All right, if you had a hard time controlling your weight, despite all kinds of diets, the problem might be in your head, literally. Understanding your brain type could be the key to achieving a proper weight. This unique concept is in the book, "Eat Right for Your Brain Type." And here to explain more about how it works are the authors, Dr. Andrew Packard and his wife, Gina Mandel, who is a registered nurse.

We thank you for being on the show this morning.

DR. ANDREW PACKARD, "EAT RIGHT FOR YOUR BRAIN TYPE": Thank you for having us.

GINA MANDEL, "EAT RIGHT FOR YOUR BRAIN TYPE": Thank you for having us.

NGUYEN: All right, Dr. Packard, let's start with you. There are so many diets out there. You know, they deal with carbs, calories, exercise, why does yours focus on the brain?

PACKARD: Ultimately, the brain determines who we are and what we eat. Food is a drug, and this happens to be soy powder, but it's a drug, and all foods impact the brain. And unless we understand how the brain works to control our cravings to eat, we're not going to solve the obesity crisis.

NGUYEN: OK, so the key is learning your brain type, which is really, basically, you know, the title of your book, "Eat Right for Your Brain Type." How easy is it to determine what your brain type is?

PACKARD: Very, very easy. We have come up with very simple questions that everybody can ask themselves to determine the approximate levels of four chemicals in the brain that determine exactly how and what we eat.

NGUYEN: OK. So Gina, let's talk about these different brain types, shall we?

Sure.

NGUYEN: Give us -- say the first three and what you should eat to feed that brain type.

MANDEL: OK, well, when you're -- when we meet with our patients, Dr. Packard always does his comprehensive medical evaluation and then I review the brain types which are linked to four important chemicals in the brain. So, the first two I go over are motivation and creativity. Motivation is your energy to move, how -- so if I were asking you, I'd say, "How much energy do you use on a daily basis? Do you use a lot? Or are you a couch potato, or are you somewhere in between?"

NGUYEN: Are you asking me?

HARRIS: Yes. NGUYEN: OK, well, I use a lot, I think.

MANDEL: OK, so you have high motivation. Then I'd ask you about your creativity. So, do you have a constant flow of original ideas or do you need outside simulation to stay entertained or are you somewhere in the middle?

NGUYEN: I'm on the high end, but I need stimulation every now and then to get those juices flowing so I can capture those ideas and put them into action.

MANDEL: So you just told me that you have high levels of dopamine in your brain, one of the chemicals connected to your impulse to eat.

NGUYEN: OK, so what should I eat then, what are the foods?

MANDEL: So, we're looking at, you need protein to keep these levels high. You like that feeling of high dopamine, high creativity and motivation, so we have a wonderful protein shake we often recommend to our patients weight loss. Protein is what enhances dopamine. Our protein shake would be a great choice for you.

NGUYEN: OK, I see, and now another brain type is dealing with how focused you are. What should people eat in order to stay more focused?

MANDEL: OK, to stay more focused you need complex carbohydrate. Those are the good carbs like fruits, vegetables, whole grains, unprocessed grains, and bread.

NGUYEN: All right. All right, Dr. Packard, let's go through the last three. They deal with happiness, security and intimacy, which is very interesting here. Tell us what they reveal and what kind of foods we need to eat in order to feed that brain type.

PACKARD: Well, happiness is your feeling of being happy or sad, and we know that carbohydrates enhance those, particularly the good ones, because that's serotonin mediated. The one that we're really looking at, that's very interesting that most people have not heard about is gava, which is your feeling of security, how safe you feel in your environment. Do you have panic attacks? Hyper-vigilant? Or do you feel very safe and comfortable in your environment? How do you tend to feel?

NGUYEN: I tend to be always on the lookout, I think.

PACKARD: Then you would not -- you would want to eat foods that are fermented: yeast, vinegars, soy...

NGUYEN: So, that's why I like pickles, then?

PACKARD: Oh, that's why you love your pickles.

NGUYEN: I got it. I got it.

PACKARD: And that's actually a great food, by the way, for gava that's not so high.

NGUYEN: So I can continue eating these things. You're saying that these are foods that I need to use for my brain type?

PACKARD: Yes, absolutely.

NGUYEN: OK, I got you. OK, but you know what? These brain types fluctuate throughout the day. Sometimes you feel secure, sometimes you feel happy, but it isn't the same every day. So what do you do? How do you know when they fluctuate and what foods to eat to counter that?

PACKARD: Well, that's a great question. And most people, we found in the 2,000 people that we've evaluated, end up with food addictions because they don't know how to look at their brain and eat for it. But, the way you do it is simply know the six brain types in our book, "Eat Right for your Brain Type," you can actually develop your own exchanges to treat your individual brain and this is something we're trying to offer that's new to do something about this obesity epidemic and also to prevent it. In somebody like you, we don't want you to start eating the wrong foods to feel safe when you can actually eat very good foods to make your brain feel better and safer without becoming addicted.

NGUYEN: Right, in fact, you have a lot of recipes in this book "Eat Right for your Brain Type," Dr. Andrew Packard and Gina Mandel, we thank you for your information today. Very interesting stuff. And I'll keep eating my pickles.

MANDEL: Yes, you can.

NGUYEN: All right. Thanks.

MANDEL: Thank you.

HARRIS: And once again, good morning, Raleigh, North Carolina, boy we have enjoyed watching the sun rise over your favorite city this morning. Rob Marciano is back in just a couple minutes with the rest of the weekend forecast when CNN SUNDAY MORNING returns.

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HARRIS: Let's take you straight to Washington, D.C., now, for a preview of this morning's "On the Story" with Kathleen Hays.

Good morning, Kathleen.

KATHLEEN HAYS, "ON THE STORY": Hi there, Tony. Well, we've got another great show for you. We're "ON THE STORY" from here in Washington to Atlanta and Miami, Baghdad and the Vatican.

Susan Candiotti has the latest on the apparent murder of a missing 13-year-old girl in Florida. We're monitoring a service at her church, this morning.

Vatican analyst, Delia Gallagher, sets a scene for us on the eve of the conclave to choose the next pope.

I'll talk about why this was the worst day, Friday, on Wall Street since 2003. And hey, what about next week? Got to stay tuned because that is all coming up all "On the Story," Tony.

HARRIS: That was a rough Friday. We felt it. Kathleen, thanks.

NGUYEN: All right, let's get to some answers of our e-mail question today, deals with Representative DeLay. Do you think House Majority Leader Tom DeLay should step down? And this is dealing with some ethics violations or at least accused ethics violations, out there, with Mr. DeLay. And Matt from Dallas says and Milwaukee, he's both: "As a native Texan and a lifelong Republican, I am disappointed and embarrassed, not only by the actions of Rep. DeLay, but those of my party in an anything-goes effort to shield him from his own actions."

HARRIS: And Betty, this from Terry, this morning: "I figure Tom DeLay is the Republican version of 'truth in advertising.' If he is representing the party's values, then he should keep up the good work."

NGUYEN: Listen to this one, this is from an anonymous person, and maybe you'll see why. The person writes: "It is not possible for someone like DeLay to simply 'step down.' To rid us of his kind someone needs to call 1-800-THE EXORCIST!"

HARRIS: OK.

NGUYEN: That was a -- that was punch, there. Of course, this person didn't say what their name is.

HARRIS: And we want to thank you for all the e-mail responses this morning and get you quickly to Rob Marciano at the CNN Weather Center for a final check of the nation's weather.

Morning, Rob.

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NGUYEN: I'm not too affected by it, this right now. It's the ragweed...

HARRIS: Have a good day, Rob Marciano. It's been a good morning, huh?

NGUYEN: Yeah.

HARRIS: Um, eat your soy, all right?

NGUYEN: I know, that's right, and those pickles.

HARRIS: Thanks for watching this morning, we'll see you back here next weekend.

NGUYEN: Absolutely, "ON THE STORY" is next, so stay tuned for that.

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