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War Rages On

Aired August 06, 2006 - 09:20   ET

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TONY HARRIS, CNN ANCHOR: A lot to cover this hour here on CNN SATURDAY MORNING. Let's get started with CNN's Paula Hancocks in Haifa, Israel. And Paula, a lot on your plate this morning. First of all, you have to give us the sense of the aftermath of the Katyusha rocket attack on Kfar Giladi and the loss of life there. And then there is the news of the capture of a Hezbollah operative by Israeli commandos, take as much time as you need to update everyone on both of these stories this morning.
PAULA HANCOCKS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Ok well Tony, let's start off with that Katyusha rocket attack that happened just hours ago. Sunday morning at least 10 people have been killed in that kibbutz, just north of Kiryat Shmona, now that's the northern most town in Israel. Now this particular kibbutz was very close to the border so they would not have had much warning of incoming rockets. And we also understand that at least four people were seriously injured in that attack as well. Now what seems to have happened according to eyewitnesses is there was a group of people who were standing just outside the entrance to the commuter part of this kibbutz and there was a direct hit by a rocket on that particular group, which is why we are seeing such high casualty numbers for just one rocket. Now some eyewitnesses said that those rocket attacks were lasting at least 15 minutes. So it was a huge barrage in that particular area and also across northern Israel today we've seen more rocket attacks, air raid sirens sounding in many different towns. Some injuries, but really that is the most deadly single rocket attack that we have had since this conflict began.

And what you are talking about also which we're hearing from the Israeli Defense Forces Tony, this is from the IDF saying that a Hezbollah guerilla that they had abducted, they had taken into their custody. They're in the middle of interrogating him, finding out any information from him they could and that's when they discovered that he was most probably one of those who actually kidnapped the Israeli soldiers on July 12th. Now this is when two Israeli soldiers were abducted by Hezbollah fighters coming over the border into Israel. And this is what actually sparked this entire conflict. So that's a significant development for the IDF. If they believe they can get any more information out of this particular Hezbollah fighter. Whether or not they can get indications on where these two Israeli soldiers are being held at the moment because at this point they have very little idea or at least they're telling us publicly they have very little idea of where these soldiers are being kept. Tony?

HARRIS: Ok, as we mentioned, a lot to cover this morning. Paula Hancocks for us in Haifa, Israel. Paula, thank you. NGUYEN: Well Israeli and Lebanese officials will weigh in on the Middle East crisis in about two hours from now on CNN'S "LATE EDITION WITH WOLF BLITZER." Wolf's guests will be Israeli vice Premiere Shimon Peres and Lebanon's Economy Minister Sami Haddad. That begins at 11:00 a.m. eastern. We'll be right back.

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HARRIS: It is day 26 of the deadly Israeli/Hezbollah conflict. Here is what we know. The Israeli military says a Hezbollah fighter involved in the kidnapping of an Israeli soldier last month is in custody. A military spokesman says the militant was captured during a raid deep inside Lebanon. Israeli Defense Forces say the man admitted a role in the kidnapping on July 12.

A barrage of Hezbollah rockets struck near a kibbutz in northern Israel earlier today. At least 10 people are dead, four others were critically wounded. Israel today has been hammering targets all across southern Lebanon. Lebanese security forces report at least five civilians killed in one of those airstrikes.

NGUYEN: CNN's Karl Penhaul is in the Lebanese port city of Tyre where intense fighting continues. We've seen it just about, it seems, Karl, every day in this conflict. Bring us the latest on what you've seen so far today.

KARL PENHAUL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Certainly for the last few hours Betty, we've been seeing heavy bombardments by Israeli artillery and on occasion by Israeli warplanes to an area south of where we are probably about three miles. But we can certainly make it out from here very clearly. Large explosions, the thuds of artillery shells going in. It appears that the targets, there are several targets, there is a ridge line here, I believe that another one has just gone in. You can see just off there in the distance on the headline there, some smoke rising up from one of the villages there from another artillery attack.

And from what we can make out the Israeli military have been targeting a ridge line of hills there and then beneath the ridge line in an area of valleys there as well. Those are positions from where over the last few days Hezbollah rockets have been fired. But today's targeting doesn't seem to have been that effective because on top of this and the course of about 10 minutes we saw a barrage or four separate barrages of Hezbollah rockets going out, each time multiple rockets being fired off in the direction towards Israel. In terms of the casualties, there have been casualties here in southern Lebanon today. Once again, United Nations peacekeepers being injured. We are told by a U.N. spokesman that three Chinese members of the United Nations were slightly wounded near the town of Al Haniya (ph), that's just south of where we are now. And according to a member of the Lebanese Intelligence Services, he has also told me that in one of those bombardments just south here near the town of Al Mansouri (ph), one Lebanese soldier was killed and two others were wounded, Betty.

NGUYEN: Just a few minutes ago you were talking about the fact that more missiles are being fired from Tyre into Israel. Now we've seen a constant bombardment of air strikes by Israel on the specific port City of where you are in Tyre. So one has to wonder what kind of headway, what kind of progress is Israel making to root out Hezbollah and take out their targets in Tyre.

PENHAUL: Those are certainly the questions we ask ourselves because on the one hand we have these heavy bombardments, the kind of which we've seen today and then yesterday you'll remember in a pre- dawn raid, Israeli commandos actually came in on the ground in to Tyre and took out what they said was a cell of Hezbollah commandos responsible for those long-range rockets. But the very day after, today we see more barrages of rockets. So both that kind of personal touch putting boots on the ground as well as the artillery fire seems to be having limited effect, Betty.

NGUYEN: Yeah, the fighting does continue, doesn't it? Karl Penhaul joining us from hard hit Tyre, Lebanon. Karl thank you for that.

You're watching CNN SUNDAY MORNING, we have much more on this Mideast crisis right after this break. Don't go away.

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NGUYEN: All right, three weeks into this crisis Hezbollah rockets are still reining down on northern Israel and Hezbollah militants are offering fierce resistance on the ground. So was Israel as prepared as it could have been? CNN military analyst retired Major General Don Shepperd joins me now by phone from Tucson, Arizona. General, let me put that question to you. Were they not realizing the scope of this with Hezbollah and not realizing how much fight Hezbollah has in it?

MAJ. GEN. DON SHEPPERD, CNN MILITARY ANALYST: Well Betty, how obviously in the political season everywhere it seems like in the world these days and Israel has made all kinds of political statements, so they were not surprised, they knew how strong they were, how tough this would be. I don't believe anybody realize how robust Hezbollah preparations were from the standpoint of how they were dug in and how fierce their fighting would be and how difficult they were to dig out. So I think if Israel wasn't surprised, they're the only ones watching that weren't surprised, the rest of us were.

NGUYEN: All right, let's move forward a little bit because we saw Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice speaking about this U.N. resolution that they hope to get passed in the next couple of days. The primary cessation of violence which would lead to a larger and more detailed resolution to basically bring this to a complete end and a final solution, but in that proposed solution it requires an international force to patrol the Israel-Lebanon border. So the question is how capable can this force be to not only control the area, but to prevent future conflict?

SHEPPERD: Well it could be a very capable force. I mean you have a lot of good militaries out there, from the European Union, from NATO. They talked early on about forces from Egypt and forces from Turkey. These are very capable militaries. The capability of those militaries is not the real key here. The key is the willingness of both Israel and Hezbollah to no fooling stop hostilities, and eventually for Hezbollah to disarm and become part of the political process.

NGUYEN: Yeah, because if you have a force there and you don't stop hostilities on both sides, what's the point, right?

SHEPPERD: Exactly. You've got it on the mark, Betty.

NGUYEN: All right, in the meantime, as we wait on this resolution to come to pass and determine if either side will even agree to it, do you expect the violence, the attacks, the ground assault to ramp up in the meantime because it looks like, perhaps, a window of opportunity for both sides to take aim at each other could be closing.

SHEPPERD: I absolutely do. I think Israel wants to push as far north and kill as many Hezbollah as they can, reduce the spots as much as possible and Hezbollah wants to make sure that they endure and are standing at the end of whatever hostilities cease. So, I expect they'll increase violence in the next few days.

NGUYEN: OK, that being the case, we have seen time and time again, we just spoke to Karl Penhaul in Tyre, Lebanon, an area believed to be a Hezbollah stronghold. It's taken numerous attacks from Israel. You see some live pictures right now, I believe this is live pictures of a smoke billowing from one of the areas. Despite those attacks, Hezbollah continues to fire missiles out of that area. Why is Israel having such a hard time getting a handle on Hezbollah in Tyre?

SHEPPERD: Well, for instance, the missile today were Katyusha rockets. Both rockets could be carried by one person. They could be hidden in a room, they can be taken out, fired and run back in a room in an apartment building and so when you're firing the Katyushas, they're fairly easy to hide and entirely easy to transport. The bigger truck, and part of the longer-range missiles were harder and perhaps a little bit easier to find, but every...

NGUYEN: Yeah, but Israel knows this, general, so what do they do to stop it? What's the strategy here?

SHEPPERD: The same thing that you're watching, they go village by village, apartment house by apartment house, room by room and it's the toughest and ugliest type fighting, the one you really don't want to engage in, but that's where they are.

NGUYEN: Sounds like that's where they're headed. All right, General Don Shepperd, as always, we appreciate your time today and your insight. Thank you so much.

SHEPPERD: (INAUDIBLE)

TONY HARRIS, CNN NEWS ANCHOR: And Betty, when we come back we will take you all to Beirut, put you on the ground there. That is a city that is increasingly isolated by Israel's military operations. We will check in with CNN's Anthony Mills right after the break. You're watching CNN SUNDAY MORNING.

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HARRIS: And good morning, everyone. "Now in the News," we'll see who is for peace and who isn't, those words moments ago from Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. Rice told reporters she hopes the U.N. will vote on a resolution calling for a Mideast cease-fire within the next few days. She spoke from Crawford, Texas, shortly after meeting with the president.

NGUYEN: Israeli soldiers capture a Hezbollah guerilla inside Lebanon. The Israeli military say the militant confessed to a role in the kidnapping of two Israeli soldiers last month. That incident sparked the current conflict between Israel and Hezbollah.

Well, even before it gets off the ground, Lebanon rejects a U.N.- proposed cease-fire. Lebanon's parliament speaker, a Hezbollah negotiator, says the draft proposal does not include an immediate cease-fire and withdrawal of Israeli troops. We have live reports from both Beirut and the U.N., that is straight ahead.

HARRIS: Iran says it will not suspend its nuclear program. Iranian officials went a step further and said they would expand it. A U.N. Security Council resolution set an August 31 deadline for Iran to stop nuclear activity or face possible sanctions.

Japan marks the atomic bombing of Hiroshima 61 years ago today. The mayor of Hiroshima used the occasion to call for the elimination of all nuclear weapons. The mayor says the atomic blast that killed more than 140,000 people was hell on earth. For complete coverage of breaking news and today's top stories stay with CNN, the most trusted name in news.

Israel presses ahead with its bombardment of Lebanon, but Lebanese officials are rejecting a draft U.N. cease-fire proposal. CNN's Anthony Mills is live in Beirut.

And Anthony, from the Lebanese perspective, what is wrong, what is the problem with the draft resolution?

ANTHONY MILLS, CNN NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Tony, they see a number of key issues as being wrong with this resolution, among them, first of all, the fact that the resolution doesn't call for an immediate withdrawal of Israeli forces from South Lebanon. Now, Hezbollah spent years fighting Israeli forces in the south of the country. There are now thousands of Israeli troops in South Lebanon again. And, so, from the government's perspective, the land is occupied, effectively, again and the resolution should call for an immediate withdrawal and indeed within the last two or three days Hezbollah officials have said that as long as there remains just one Israeli soldier on Lebanese land they will continue to fight.

A second issue is that of the Shebaa Farms, a disputed area of land in the south of Lebanon currently controlled by Israel. Lebanon says it belongs to Lebanon. The Lebanese government says it is Lebanese land and the officials here who have a problem with the U.N. resolution say the fate of the Shebaa Farms is not properly referred to. They want an Israeli withdrawal from that land, they want it to be handed back to Lebanon.

Also of concern, the buffer zone, now the area in South Lebanon that is going to be patrolled by international troops and also the mandate of those troops whether they will be allowed to take on Hezbollah forcefully or not. So, a series of problems with the resolution from the Lebanese perspective -- Tony.

HARRIS: But, Anthony, do the officials there, in Lebanon, understand that this is the first of what will at least be two resolutions? Can we get some agreement to the cease-fire of the major military operations, the big attacks while we create an atmosphere so that a second resolution can be worked out to address the other concerns you just listed?

MILLS: Tony, there are key issues here, such as the presence of these soldiers, these Israeli soldiers in south Lebanon which are really deal breakers, right now. And indeed, the criticism of this resolution was really echoed just a short while ago in a press conference here by Syria's foreign minister, Walid al Moallem. He was here on the first official visit by a high-ranking Syrian official since Syrian troops withdrew from Lebanon last year in June and he said that this resolution was not fair, he also said that it was a recipe for the continuation of the war and indeed as well a recipe for civil war.

So the strong criticism being echoed there by Syrian's foreign minister as well and the key point is that although this is, yes, the first resolution and the second is likely to follow, from the perspective of the Lebanese officials criticizing it and also Syria's foreign minister, there are some issues that are already unacceptable -- Tony.

HARRIS: Gotcha. Anthony Mills in Beirut for us. Well done. Anthony, thank you.

NGUYEN: The U.N. Security Council is studying this cease-fire proposal and our senior CNN U.N. correspondent, Richard Roth, joins us now on the phone from New York.

A host of Lebanese officials, Richard, have come out to reject this proposal, a main sticking point is the fact that Israeli troops are in Lebanon. Now, is that as being a root of this problem, changing the plan any?

RICHARD ROTH, SENIOR CNN U.N. CORRESPONDENT: I don't think so, as you heard Condoleezza Rice earlier today say it's supposed to be the head on the resolution, and the Security Council members in the past have been hit with a lot of criticism about their resolutions and they don't exactly run and hide, they go ahead, and sometimes they are effective and sometimes they're not. The Security Council legal experts are going to pour over the resolution again today, taking into consideration input from some other countries in the council yesterday, and there may indeed be a vote in the next few days. NGUYEN: Yeah, we heard from Condoleezza Rice that it could happen within, actually, two days. So you expect this thing to be fast developing and moving quickly through the U.N. Security Council?

ROTH: Well, it's been stalled, if you listen to some critics, bottled up between negotiations between the U.S. and the French and as the Qatar representative, the lone Arab on the Security Council said we've been waiting for three weeks on this resolution, now he's concerned, as Tony Mills said, some of the aspects of what's in this draft resolution. There is a complex, deep, detailed document that in some ways tries to solve the whole problems of the Lebanon decades-old thorny issues, in one resolution, but the U.S. doesn't want just a quick-fix cease-fire.

NGUYEN: Just to be very clear, what they're voting on is this first resolution, the cessation of violence -- correct? And then they will deal with the second one?

ROTH: Yes. Well, there won't be a second one if this one doesn't go anywhere, but the hope is that the resolution starts the motor going and Kofi Annan has to go around and get acceptances from Lebanon and Israel and they want to see if people are going to live up to things.

John Bolton says this crisis should be dealt with, but there are a lot of areas of concern and he doesn't want another crisis to still develop. Some ambassadors thought it wasn't even necessary to have Condoleezza Rice and the other foreign ministers come, that it's important to get a vote as quickly as possible. So, we'll have to see if she even comes here, that if that vote, if it happens could come as early as Monday or, of course, they could wait and get more input from the Arab countries. But Lebanon, Israel they were talked to about this resolution as it was in its formidable stages, so it's not a compete shock when they see the final outcome.

NGUYEN: Yeah, but it's still a lot of hurdles to overcome. Senior CNN correspondent Richard Roth, joining us from New York today. Thank you Richard.

I want to give you this programming note: In about 90 minutes, CNN's Wolf Blitzer will talk to Israeli vice premiere, Shimon Peres and Lebanon's economy minister Sami Haddad. That is on "Late Edition" at 11:00 a.m. Eastern.

We'll be right back.

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NGUYEN: Well, for those of you counting, it is day 26 of the deadly Israeli-Hezbollah conflict. Here's what we know, the Israeli military says a Hezbollah fighter involved in the kidnapping of an Israeli soldier last month is in custody. A military spokesman says the militant was captured during a raid deep inside Lebanon. Now, the Israeli defense forces say the man admitted a role in the kidnapping on July 12. Meanwhile, a barrage of Hezbollah rockets struck a kibbutz earlier today. At least 10 people are dead, four others critically wounded.

Israel, today, has been hammering targets all across Southern Lebanon. Lebanese security forces report at least five civilians killed in one of the airstrikes.

HARRIS: In Baghdad today, a military court hearing for U.S. soldiers accused of rape and murder. A family of four was killed in Mahmoudiya five months ago. CNN's Harris Whitbeck is following the story in Baghdad.

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HARRIS WHITBECK, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The case resolves around what happened in this house in the town of Mahmoudiya early last March. Accusations rape, premeditated murder, destruction of evidence allegedly by five U.S. soldiers who manned a nearby checkpoint.

Private Fist Class Brian Howard, Sergeant Paul Cortez, Specialist James Barker, and Private First Class Jesse Spielman. Sergeant Anthony Yribe is not charged with participating in the rape and killings, but is charged with dereliction of duty for having failed to report the incident to his superiors.

The hearing run by a military investigating officer is taken place on U.S. base in Baghdad, Camp Victory. It is the first step towards a possible court-martial.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He is ultimately tasked to determine whether there's reasonable basis to believe that those crimes were committed and then he simply advises the convening authority of his opinion, what he's been able to find.

WHITBECK: A sixth soldier, Private First Class Stephen Green is no longer at the service having been discharged for a personality disorder in May. He is facing similar charges in a civilian court in the United States.

Military prosecutors say the soldier his been drinking the night of the crime, that they went into the house, raped a woman whose age has not been determined, but according to the mayor of Mahmoudiya, was only 14 and then killed her, her parents and her 5-year-old sister before setting fire to their bodies. Iraqi public opinion about the case revolves around jurisdiction and the immunity from prosecution in Iraqi courts U.S. soldiers enjoy.

NURI AL-MALIKI, IRAQI PRIME MINISTER (through translator): We believe that the immunity given to international forces is what emboldened them to commit such crimes in cold blood. This requires that such immunity should be reconsidered. We affirm that we should participate in investigating crimes committed against Iraqi people.

WHITBECK: But, U.S. legal experts say the proceedings that are being closely followed in Baghdad will serve to assure confidence in the U.S. military justice system.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They will watch this process unfold, they will watch what a fair trial looks like in accordance of due process and the presumption of innocence, and they will make their own judgments.

WHITBECK: Some have already made a judgment. Last month an Islamic website posted video of two kidnapped U.S. soldiers who were beheaded and disemboweled in "revenge for our sister who was dishonored by one of the soldiers."

(on camera): The article 32 hearing will determine whether there is evidence for a courts marshal to proceed. It is being described by some for a case that could be as potentially damaging to the U.S. military's image in Iraq as the Abu Ghraib Prison cases were a few year ago.

Harris Whitbeck, CNN, Baghdad.

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HARRIS: So much going on this morning, so much to catch you up on, we will take a break and we will do that in when we come back. You're watching CNN SUNDAY MORNING.

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NGUYEN: Well, it's that time. Time to check in with Howard Kurtz in Washington to see what is ahead on CNN's "Reliable Sources."

Hello, Howard.

HOWARD KURTZ, "RELIABLE SOURCES": Hi Betty. Coming up, war fatigue. Is the media's interest in the Israeli-Lebanon conflict starting to slip as the fighting drags on and on? Also, we'll talk to the Pentagon reporter who says the Iraq war has been a fiasco from the start. And Mel Gibson, is the press treating his anti-Semitic rant as a serious story or just more tabloid fodder? That and more ahead on "Reliable Sources."

NGUYEN: Regardless, it's a big talker no matter how you cut it. Thank you, we'll see you soon, Howard.

HARRIS: I want to take you back to Beirut, now, and our Beirut bureau chief, Brent Sadler, is live with us.

And Brent, just a couple of moments ago we learned from CNN's Anthony Mills that the Syrian foreign minister has called the U.S.- French cease-fire plan a recipe for the continuation of the war. I suspect he went on to say more.

BRENT SADLER, SR. INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: That's right, Tony, I just interviewed Syria's foreign minister, Walid Moallem who was meeting President Emile Lahoud of Lebanon at presidential palace. The Syrian foreign minister, here, really supporting Lebanon's stand against the draft resolution from the United Nations since yesterday. Lebanese top official -- Lebanon's top officials have been saying the plan is not adequate and now we're seeing Lebanon's powerful neighbor, Syria, stepping in, digging its heels in, and indeed Walid Moallem told me just a short time ago, that the plan was, he said, "A recipe for war." He also said that it was a recipe for possible civil war in Lebanon. And Syria also fired off some more warning shots in the war of words, the rhetoric, he was saying, if Israel went to attack Syria, the Syrian leadership under President Bashar al-Assad has already given orders, said Mr. Moallem, to the armed forces of Syria to immediately strike back against any Israeli military action against Syria -- Tony.

HARRIS: All right, CNN's Beirut bureau chief Brent Sadler for us. Brent, thank you for that update.

NGUYEN: Do you ever wish you could say I report for CNN? Well, now's your chance. You actually get to do it.

HARRIS: Nicole Lapin is here to tell us how you can join our team -- Nicole.

NICOLE LAPIN, DOT COM DESK: You know what? You don't need any of that fancy equipment, you just need a good eye and while CNN is gathering news in most places around the world, we have this big newsroom, we can't be in every crevice, so that's why we need you. And created CNN exchange and that's the place that you can go and, well, you have the right to say "I report for CNN."

Here's how it works. Just look for the "I Report" logo on CNN.com. Click there. You fill up a little form and you upload your stuff and it can be anything from audio, video, pictures or even just your thoughts. So all this week, we've been asking you, please, send us what you've got on the Middle East crisis and we've been getting some really amazing responses.

This video is what we got in. This is video of a transmission tower that was bombed in Fatka, Lebanon and it comes to us from Antoine Maalouf who is a 19-year-old student from Lebanon. And this is the view from his house and he captured this with his cell phone.

And then we got other stuff in. This is what it looked like just after an attack just north of Beirut.

NGUYEN: That video will come up pretty soon. It that a girl who sent it in to CNN?

LAPIN: Yeah, and she was scared and her family was scared, but they sent us in pictures just minutes after the explosion. So, really, you can check this all out at CNN.com/exchange or CNN.com/Ireport.

NGUYEN: We didn't get to see it there, but you can go on-line and see it whenever you want.

HARRIS: So the idea, again, is we send pictures in. If you're out there and you got one of those video phones and you've got a camcorder or something, you take the pictures, you send...

LAPIN: Yeah, they don't have to be fancy. Raw, unedited, whatever you've got, we'd love to see it. It really -- citizen journalism at its best.

NGUYEN: All right. Thank you, Nicole.

HARRIS: Nicole, thanks.

NGUYEN: Well, we do have some live pictures, speaking of live pictures, of Beirut that we'd like to show you. Very little information coming in about it. I am being told that explosions have occurred Beirut and we're see something smoke. I can't make it out in this particular angle, but, again, Beirut and another area that's taken hits from the airstrikes that are occurring from Israel.

HARRIS: And what we're learning is this is our crew, our CNN crew there, Anthony Mills is with that crew. We've had reports from Anthony all morning long.

NGUYEN: There you go.

HARRIS: This is very near his location, obviously, and there again you see these pictures just into us -- live pictures right now of attacks. These are attacks from Israel into Southern Beirut, is my guess, right now, and very near our location where our team is right now, and you can see a bit of the aftermath, the smoke rising from that airstrike.

NGUYEN: It looks like it may be close to a residential area, if you look at the bottom of the screen. Of course, we're going to have much more on all the developments in the Middle East as they change minute by minute.

"Reliable Sources" is next followed by "Late Edition" and "This Week at War," so don't go away.

HARRIS: And Fredericka Whitfield will be with you all morning long with news updates.

NGUYEN: Have a good day.

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