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Loughner's Troubling Rants; Lessons from Arizona Tragedy
Aired January 16, 2011 - 08:00 ET
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RANDI KAYE, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning, everyone.
Hard to believe this is not the most jarring image of alleged Arizona gunman Jared Loughner. Coming up: reports of his bizarre poses with a gun and a G-string, plus his disturbing new YouTube ramblings.
More encouraging news for Congresswoman Gabby Giffords. Doctors changed a part of her treatment because she's reached a key milestone. We'll have the details.
And it's primetime for celebrity watchers. The Golden Globes air tonight. Who will win? What will they wear? What will they say? And, of course, the question is: does this improve their odds of getting an Oscar?
We are dishing on the start of Hollywood's awards season. It's early and we're on it.
From CNN Center, this is CNN SUNDAY MORNING. It's January 16th. Good morning. I'm Randi Kaye.
We start with those troubling images left behind by suspected Tucson shooter Jared Loughner. In one photo that hasn't been public, he's wearing a red G-string holding a gun in front of his private parts. There's also a rambling video he recorded on his college campus shortly before being suspended from the school.
CNN national correspondent Susan Candiotti guides us through that tape.
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JARED LOUGHNER, ALLEGED SHOOTER: This is my genocide school, where I'm going to be homeless because of this school.
SUSAN CANDIOTTI, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It's creepy and it's confusing.
LOUGHNER: If the student is unable to locate the external universe, then the student is unable to locate the internal universe. Where is all my subjects?
CANDIOTTI: With a guitar occasionally strumming in the background, Jared Loughner walks through Pima Community College campus at night, shooting video as he goes. He appears to come across a professor he knows.
LOUGHNER: How's it going? Thanks for the B -- I'm pissed off.
I lost my freedom of speech to that guy. And this is what happens. And I'm in a terrible place.
CANDIOTTI: He rails against the school.
LOUGHNER: This is Pima Community College, one of the biggest scams in America.
CANDIOTTI: A glass door catches a quick reflection of Loughner.
LOUGHNER: We're examining the torture of students. We're looking at students who have been tortured.
CANDIOTTI: He approaches a campus police office.
LOUGHNER: This is the police station. This is where the whole "shaboozie" goes down with illegal activity.
GARY SCHWARTZ, PYSCHOLOGY PROFESSOR, UNIV. OF ARIZONA: We get to se both his sickness and his sadness.
CANDIOTTI: University of Arizona psychology professor Gary Schwartz looked at the video with us.
SCHWARTZ: On the one hand, he is describing physical reality in terms of what's present. He says there's a police station and that's a police station. On the other hand, the interpretations that he's making about those places is clearly certainly not mainstream thought.
LOUGHNER: All the teachers that you have are being paid illegally and have illegal authority over the Constitution of the United States under the First Amendment.
CANDIOTTI: Professor Schwartz takes a broader view of Loughner's video and people with troubled minds.
SCHWARTZ: We should have compassion for them at the same time that we need to protect ourselves and our loved ones.
CANDIOTTI (on camera): And get them help? And get them help?
SCHWARTZ: Absolutely, get them help.
LOUGHNER: This is genocide in America. Thank you. This is Jared from Pima College.
CANDIOTTI: Susan Candiotti, CNN, Tucson, Arizona.
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KAYE: And today on "STATE OF THE UNION" with Candy Crowley, we devote the entire hour to mental illness in the wake of the tragedy in Tucson. Starting at 9:00 a.m., Candy will examine the perils of diagnosing and treating mental illness.
A big step forward for Congresswoman Gabby Giffords. Doctors say she is now off the ventilator and breathing on her own. They inserted a tracheotomy tube in her throat. Giffords was shot in the head eight days ago. She's still in critical condition. But doctors say her recovery is going as planned.
You could imagine just how high the tensions are in Tucson, another of the survivors of the shooting is now being held in a mental services unit after making a death threat during a town hall meeting. James Fuller is the man. The 63-year-old navy vet was shot twice during the attack.
He reportedly said, quote, "You're dead" to a Tea Party member who was speaking at yesterday's meeting. It happened as the conversation turned to gun control. No charges have been filed.
In Lakewood, New Jersey, the search is on for a suspected cop killer who goes by the nickname "Sav," short for "Savage." Police say 27-year-old officer Christopher Matlosz was shot at close range execution-style after stopping a pedestrian. Police are looking for 19-year-old Jahmell Crockham.
Another tense day in the African country of Tunisia, following weeks of anti-government protests. The central train station in the capital of Tunis damaged by fire yesterday. Our Ben Wedeman is in Tunis and reports the streets are quiet this hour and military personnel are everywhere. Tunisia's president fled the country Friday after weeks of anger over economic conditions and alleged government corruption. Many residents of the city say they are scared.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): Militias and gangs have been breaking and damaging people's properties and even going into homes. We want to know what they want from us. We are all Tunisians. We must work together to fix things.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): Everyone is living in fear and terror. No one wants to get out. Shops are closed. Not enough food.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): Neighborhood watch groups have been formed to defend their areas for their own benefit, not others. We are in a transitional period. We are in a situation like being in a house that fell, and we need to build it back in a good way.
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KAYE: In Brazil's Rio de Janeiro state, the death toll from flooding and mudslides has risen to almost 600. That number is expected to rise as rescuers reach more areas. Giant boulders have fallen from hillsides with rain soaked slopes giving way. Thousands of people have lost their homes. G.M. is recalling more than 25,000 SUVs and trucks because the rear axle could lock up, causing an accident. You're looking at the models affected by that recall. It includes Chevys, Cadillacs and GMC trucks. This move is actually an expansion of a recall announced by G.M. last month for the very same problem. Owners of any of these vehicles are encouraged to contact the company to set up their repairs.
Well, the queen of talk sits down for a one on one with CNN's Piers Morgan. Coming up, we'll give you a sneak peek of what to expect when the two get together and Oprah opens up about a painful time in her life.
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KAYE: Eight minutes after the hour. Welcome back.
A pretty calm weather weekend across most of the country. There is some more severe weather in the Pacific Northwest, though.
Karen Maginnis has the forecast for us.
KAREN MAGINNIS, AMS METEOROLOGIST: Yes, you know, Randi, there's always the hiccup. There's always the problem area we have to talk about. And in today's situation, it is the Pacific Northwest. And this is going to be a fairly substantial system that we watch in the next several days that ushers in some fairly mild moisture.
Well, that sounds pretty benign but, in fact, it's even more problematic. Long fetch of moisture from the subtropics moves and slams on into the coastal regions of Washington, Oregon, northern California, and just kind of winds its way down across the interior west. Well, because it's mild, that means those snow levels are going to be higher, that means the snow is going to melt in those lower elevations.
And already, Mt. Rainier, the rivers that flow off of Mt. Rainier, the Nisqually, the Cowlitz and the Puyallup rivers, they've got watches and warnings issues for a number of those areas.
Well, here is one system but then there's going to be another one that moves in behind it, it's going to be colder. So, the snow levels instead of being 8,000 or 9,000 feet, they're going to be down to around 3,000 and 2,000 feet. So, a little more reasonable for this time of year.
I'll show you some temperatures that we are expecting around the country. And yes, another one of the problematic areas, the Midwest. Temperatures only in the teens here, Minneapolis 13 degrees. It is frigid cold.
Chicago is expected to be 23. And wrapped around the eastern Great Lakes, yes, lake-effect snows, Buffalo, also for Syracuse. And some of the heavier spurts, we could see as much as a foot of snowfall possible. But generally speaking, six to 8 inches will be the common amounts. Here is some of the precipitation into the Pacific Northwest. There you can see bumping into the Cascades, and the Cascades, basically, the Cascades could see five or six inches of rainfall. So, this is kind of the focus of our weather story for the next 24 to 48 hours.
Randi, back to you.
KAYE: Thank you, Karen.
Well, yesterday was a big day in pro football. Joe Carter is up after the break with all of the highs and lows as this year's NFL season winds down.
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RANDI: Headline News -- HLN sports anchor Joe Carter joining me with big plays in sports this week.
It made you go wow. I still have that stuck in my head.
JOE CARTER, HLN SPORTS ANCHOR: You and everybody else. Don't worry about it. Don't worry it. We're getting through it. HLN. HLN.
KAYE: All right. There we go.
So, lots of football to catch up on, so much to watch yesterday.
CARTER: Yes. If you're a football fan, you had plenty to watch, two great games between four good teams. And, really, the showdown in the Steel City between the Steelers and the Ravens -- you know, typically when the two teams get together, it's sort of a drag 'em out, fight 'em out, sock 'em out defensive battle.
KAYE: Yes.
CARTER: But this time, we got an offensive shoot-out which, you know, actually, I really enjoyed it. Biggest play in the game, though, came in the fourth quarter, two minutes left, rookie Antonio Brown, look at this catch, pins the ball on the side of his head, that essentially sets the Pittsburgh Steelers up to punch in the go-ahead score. You can see on the clock, a minute and a half left. They go up 31-24, the defense took care of the Ravens from there.
And if you can believe this, the Steelers are now one win away from their third Super Bowl appearance in the last six seasons. When I heard that I was thinking wow, this franchise has really been dominant the past 10 years. It's incredible to see what they're doing in Pittsburgh, considering how the season started without their starting quarterback Ben Roethlisberger.
Now, Atlanta. Fans in Atlanta are waking this up morning going, what in the world happened to our Falcons?
KAYE: Big hangover. Yes. CARTER: And on the other side, it's like the Green Bay Packers just rolled into town and just pretty much took down the top seed Falcons. Green Bay's offense was spectacular last night. Aaron Rodgers is spectacular. This team scored 48 points, which happens to be the most points in Packer playoff history.
And if there's one team that has incredible playoff history, it's the Green Bay Packers.
KAYE: They didn't just win, they really won.
CARTER: Yes, they really won. And for someone like a Vikings fan like yourself, this is going to --
KAYE: Yes, you have to bring that up.
CARTER: -- pain to you to hear, but they're clearly the hottest team in the NFL right now as they head to the NFC title game to play the Bears or the Seahawks. Yes, definitely, the Packers are the one to watch out for as they are the dark horse in this, as they clearly just sneak up under the radar on all these teams.
KAYE: Do you think they're going to go all the way?
CARTER: I think so. Yes. I think they're going to play the Bears in the NFC championship game and I think they'll win again on the road in Chicago.
KAYE: You think Brett Favre is watching all that?
CARTER: Wondering. Yes.
KAYE: What might have been.
CARTER: Yes, well -- Aaron Rodgers is proving why they made the right choice when they said, "Bye-bye, Brett."
KAYE: Yes. All right, thank you very much, Joe.
CARTER: You bet, Randi.
KAYE: Good stuff.
And it is finally here. "PIERS MORGAN TONIGHT" premieres tomorrow. His first guest: Oprah Winfrey. After their sit-down, Oprah told CNN it was one of her toughest interviews in 20 years. In this sneak preview, Oprah talks about her love for her long time partner, Stedman Graham.
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OPRAH WINFREY, TALK SHOW HOST, ACTRESS, MEDIA MOGUL: I had been betrayed by somebody in my family who had gone to the tabloids, and for, you know, $20,000, had sold me out. And Stedman came into the room with tears in his eyes. We knew that it was coming out. Stedman came into the room with tears in his eyes, and he said, "The story's out. I have a copy of it if you want to see it. And I'm really sorry. You don't deserve this." It was that moment.
PIERS MORGAN, "PIERS MORGAN TONIGHT": And you looked at him and you thought, "I love this man."
WINFREY: No. I looked at him, and I thought, here's somebody who is willing to stand in and stand up for you. And that's what love is.
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KAYE: After Oprah, his guests include Howard Stern, Condoleezza Rice, Ricky Gervais and George Clooney. It all kicks off tomorrow night at 9:00 Eastern, on "PIERS MORGAN TONIGHT." Don't miss it.
And the award goes to the Golden Globes, taking center stage in Los Angeles tonight. We've got your special invite to the entertainment industry's biggest nights, one of them at least.
Plus, dining with danger and I mean that literally. Some exotic dishes served around the world can kill you. Our Nadia Bilchik has tips to make sure a dish in a country far from home doesn't end up being your last supper.
But, first, with the Golden Globes kicking of Hollywood's awards season tonight, we're remembering the films that won the most Golden Globes. In fact, five films share this top honor, with each of them winning five Globes. First came "Doctor Zhivago" in 1966, then "Love Story," "The Godfather," "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest ,"and "A Star is Born."
When we return, we'll tell you which actor won the most Golden Globe.
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KAYE: And as we mentioned, the Hollywood awards season gets started just hours from now, with the 68th annual Golden Globe Awards. Now, we're shining a light on the individuals who have won the most Golden Globes. Meryl Streep tops the list with seven. She's followed by Jack Nicholson with six awards. And tying each other with five Globes each, Francis Ford Coppola, Shirley MacLaine, Rosalind Russell and Oliver Stone.
It's something a lot of American travelers look forward to, tasting exotic dishes native to each country. But some of these delicacies can cost you much more than just an upset stomach. They can actually kill you.
Nadia Bilchik joining me with really one of the most deadliest menus anybody has ever heard of.
NADIA BILCHIK, CNN EDITORIAL PRODUCER: I don't think they'll be serving fugu at the Golden Globes. KAYE: Fugu.
BILCHIK: Fugu or puffer fish in Japan is this exotic fish, but if you eat the liver, it has a neurotoxin that can cause asphyxiation. So, the chefs who prepare this have to train endlessly and for years. There's fugu sake but you can only go to a licensed restaurant in Japan for fugu.
But then sannakji, this is not for the fainthearted, I'm warning you.
KAYE: OK. What is it?
BILCHIK: This is live, baby octopus, and they chop it up and serve it so it's still wriggling. So, the suction cups are still --
KAYE: Oh, there it is. We're looking at pictures of it.
BILCHIK: Because, you know, in Asian culture, you want the food as fresh to dead as possible. So, the suction cups go down the throat and that sensation --
KAYE: OK. That's a little too fresh for me, I'm sorry. I really hope our viewers have eaten their breakfast already because that's just too much.
BILCHIK: And, again, what happens as you choke because of the suction cups. So, sannakji, and they serve it can with sesame oil or sesame seeds.
KAYE: So, people warned about this stuff if they're --
BILCHIK: You know, you go into these restaurants knowing, and one would think that people who try it are warned and one hopes that the chefs preparing them are very skilled. Now, in Jamaica --
KAYE: Oh, boy.
BILCHIK: -- we talked about Rastafarians.
KAYE: Yes, we did.
BILCHIK: They all come in Jamaica. You can have a ackee fruit, which is beautiful when ripe, because it's an orangey, yellow fruit. But the key is to have it when it's ripe, or just opened. If you have it before or after it's ripe, then it's had hypoglycins and it causes blood sugar levels to plunge.
And there's a wonderful dish in Jamaica called saltfish and ackee, and the ackee becomes like an egg and delicious. And it apparently is quite delicious. And there are some Jamaican restaurants in the U.S. worth trying ackee.
And then --
KAYE: You didn't bring any today. BILCHIK: We have a worker on our team that comes from Jamaica and promises she'll let us try ackee and saltfish.
Then the birds nest soup. Now, birds nest soup is a great delicacy --
KAYE: It sounds like trouble.
BILCHIK: -- originated in China. And the idea is the swiftlings built the nest out of saliva. So, painstakingly out of saliva build the nest and the nest then becomes a great delicacy and is served in chicken broth.
KAYE: Oh, my. All right, can we leave it there so I have a little bit of an appetite left for the rest of the day if you don't mind?
BILCHIK: Yes, what would you be having? Bacon and eggs.
KAYE: I think I'm just going to eat a power bar maybe.
All right. Nadia, thank you, I think.
To be sure, there are lessons to be learned from last week's tragedy in Arizona. When we come back, some of America's students comment on what happened at the Safeway in Tucson.
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KAYE: Twenty-five minutes past the hour.
The nation's students followed the Arizona shooting on CNN Student News. Carl Azuz, host of the show, is here to tell us how they reacted.
So, what sort of lessons have the students learned from this?
CARL AZUZ, CNN STUDENT NEWS ANCHOR: You know, one big thing they keep bringing up to us is security. And a lot of students -- you know, it was normal for Congresswoman Giffords not to have a lot of security at many of her town hall-style meetings or meetings with the public, but that's something that a lot of America's students just don't quite understand.
And you'll hear in these comments I have for you the first one from Mary how security sort of is an underlying theme from them. Mary wrote in and she tells us, "There can be a lot of bad people in the world. We need to do everything we can to prevent this from happening."
And then Brooke starts naming security specifically. She's writing, "We need to increase security at events. This is bound to happen again."
And again, from Bailey also mentioning the same issue, saying there needs to be more of it. But taking it a little bit deeper saying, "We wish we could live in a country where we didn't need security. We wish people could be trusted."
And a lot of students were saying, yes, this happened. This is a dangerous world, but we just wish that this sort of thing wasn't needed. We wish we lived in a world where there wasn't a need to worry about stuff like this.
KAYE: Sure. You know, a lot of politicians pointing fingers. But I'm curious what the students have to say. Besides security, who do they blame in all of this?
AZUZ: It's a very good question. We did have a couple students write in to us at CNNStudentNews.com and talked about the heated political rhetoric they've seen. We had a couple bring up the issue of gun control.
But there were a lot of other students who were mainly saying, you know, one student used the term "psycho" to describe the suspect. And a lot of students were saying this was sort of an isolated incident in their view. This was a case where somebody, who was mentally unstable, simply lost control.
And our last comment for you today you're going to see that, this is from Cole saying, "I hope this won't happen again but as long as there's evil in the world, anything's possible." And again, his question sort of along the lines just saying: if knew there was somebody like this mental unstable, why wasn't anyone told about this? Why weren't appropriate measures taken to stop this before it happens?
So, you know, a lot of students just kind of torn between why there wasn't more security and also why this wasn't stopped before it became a tragedy.
KAYE: Sure, because he was a student, too, at least until recently. I'm sure a lot of the students are looking around a little closer at the students in their midst. You know, you just -- you just never know.
AZUZ: You don't.
KAYE: Scary times.
AZUZ: And again, they lament the fact that they have to.
KAYE: Yes. All right, Carl Azuz, thank you. Good to see you.
AZUZ: Thank you very much, Randi.
KAYE: As the victims of the Arizona shooting struggle to put their lives back together, we have the latest developments on the accused gunman, including whether there were any clues hiding in his online rants.
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KAYE: Welcome back. I'm Randi Kaye. It's just about half past the hour. Checking top stories for you right now:
Astronaut Tim Kopra could miss his ride on one of the final space shuttle missions because of a bicycle accident. NASA says the mission specialist will be OK but offered no other details about his injuries. He was supposed to go up with the shuttle Discovery in late February.
The search is on for a suspected cop killer in Lakewood, New Jersey. Twenty-seven-year-old officer Christopher Matlosz was shot three times execution style. Police are looking for 19-year-old Jahmell Crockham. He was charged in December with illegal possession of a rifle and hollow point bullets.
One of the survivors of the Arizona mass shooting is now being held in a mental services unit. Police say James Fuller made a death threat to a Tea Party member during a Town Hall meeting. The 63-year- old Navy vet was shot twice during the attack eight days ago.
Doctors say Gabby Giffords is now off the ventilator and breathing on her own through a tracheotomy tube. She's still in critical condition but doctors say her recovery is going as planned.
As we explore the tragedy in Tucson you have to wonder if there were warnings signs that might have been missed. We only need to look as far as Jared Loughner's online ramblings. They give us insight into the mind of the suspected shooter and some of what we're learning is more than just a little disturbing.
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KAYE (voice-over): In the months before the shooting Jared Loughner appears especially disturbed. His world was getting darker, his questions stranger.
(on camera): Chat room postings published by the "Wall Street Journal" offer insight into Loughner's growing disappointment and resentment, a window into his state of mind. The "Journal" says Loughner using his pseudonym posted more than 130 messages last spring over a two-month period on an online gaming forum. He seemed to be dealing with feelings of rejection and searching for a purpose.
(voice-over): CNN hasn't been able to confirm independently the postings are Loughner's but they are filled with aggression, many of them too startling to comprehend.
April 24th, last year, he asked, "Would you hit a handicapped child, adult?" Later that same day, a hate filled rant titled "Why Rape", suggesting college women enjoyed rape. "There are rape victims that are under the influence of substance. The drinking is leading them to rape, being alone for a very long time will inevitably lead you to rape."
May 9th he asked, "Does anyone have aggression 24/7?" The next night a new online thread, "If you went to prison right now, what would you be thinking?" He added, "Just curious?"
May 20th he wrote, "I bet you're hungry, because I know how to cut a body open and eat you for more than a week".
If Loughner was looking to escape his demons and reality, too, he may have done so through something called lucid dreaming, an alternative reality in which a person is aware he's in a dream, and can manipulate that dream.
Psychology professor Gary Schwartz has studied lucid dreams.
(on camera): Can lucid dreaming be dangerous?
GARY SCHWARTZ, PSYCHOLOGY PROFESSOR, UNIVERSITY OF ARIZONA: For someone who might be mentally ill it could become very dangerous especially if they were obsessed with it.
KAYE (voice-over): And friends say Loughner was obsessed with lucid dreaming. One friend, Zain Gutierrez, told "The New York Times", "Jared felt nothing existed but his subconscious. The dream world was what was real to Jared, not the day-to-day of our lives."
Another friend, Bryce Tierney, told the online publication "Mother Jones" that "Loughner viewed dreams as his alternative reality". Tierney said Loughner even kept a dream journal. "That's the golden piece of evidence", Tierney said, "You want to know what goes on in Jared Loughner's mind, there's a dream journal that will tell you everything."
Strange rambles apparently posted on YouTube by Loughner just within the last month or so paint the picture of a young man apparently losing his grip on reality.
On December 15th, Loughner wrote about lucid dreaming. "My favorite activity is conscience dreaming. Some of you don't dream, sadly."
He later wrote "The population of dreamers in the United States is less than five percent." Also, "Jared Loughner is conscience dreaming at this moment, thus Jared Loughner is asleep."
(on camera): Loughner's focus on dreaming has some experts wondering if he could no longer tell the difference between dreams and reality. If so, is it possible he was dreaming when he allegedly shot Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords and all those other people?
SCHWARTZ: It is conceivable from what we know about his history, that he was -- he could have been confusing when he was in a dream and when he wasn't in a dream and so we have to be open to that possibility.
KAYE (voice-over): Loughner's friend Bryce Tierney also told "Mother Jones" that, "Loughner had become convinced he could control his dreams." He said, he told friends "I'm so into it because I can create things and fly. I'm everything I'm not in this world."
Professor Schwartz says it seems Loughner enjoyed his dream world more than his daily life. SCHWARTZ: He was able to fulfill things in his fantasy that he couldn't do in reality. He's someone who was abusing this capability. And under those circumstances, it could be very dangerous.
KAYE: Dangerous indeed, and even if what happened was part of some dream for Jared Loughner it was a terrifying reality for this community.
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KAYE: On today's "STATE OF THE UNION" with Candy Crowley, we are devoting the whole hour to mental health issues. Candy joins us in just a moment with more about that in the aftermath of the Tucson tragedy.
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CANDY CROWLEY, CNN HOST, "STATE OF THE UNION": I got audio problem --
KAYE: "STATE OF THE UNION" with host Candy Crowley coming up next right here on CNN. And Candy is joining us live from Washington this morning with a preview.
Candy I understand you have a special on mental illness planned for today. And I was in Tucson this whole week covering this story and really dominating the conversation is Jared Loughner's apparent mental illness, and why he wasn't able to get the help that he so badly need apparently.
CROWLEY: Well, there are so many -- what we've learned throughout this whole week while we're putting the show together is that there are -- are so many barriers, some of them it's the stigma, some of it is fear. Some of it is -- especially with young people that a college may know that there's trouble but they may not inform the parents so the parents are left in the dark.
There's also -- and any number of people we talked to this week told us that they believe that this man from the symptoms what Loughner was likely a schizophrenic. So they say it is very hard with schizophrenics sometimes that are really sick because they're so sick, they don't think they're sick; if that makes sense.
KAYE: Sure.
CROWLEY: So there's been -- there's also cut -- cut -- been cutbacks in government-funded mental health services, so a lot of things sort of come to play, but it seemed like a really good time to sort of look at the system and try to really understand what might have been going on here, and what people can look for, because I think it's pretty difficult, if you -- you've listened to some of these kids as you did, I know, all week, talking about what it was like being in class with this man, and saying I just, you know, I was scared of him.
But no one kind of followed up and said he needs to get help. They just wanted him out of the class. So this is about what do you do and where do you go --
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KAYE: Right.
CROWLEY: -- and what are the signs in that kind of thing.
KAYE: Yes. I mean, the -- the college, Pima Community College thought he was creepy, he made that video. He was told to leave the college and get a mental health evaluation. He never did that, never came back. And again, nobody followed up, which is, you know, you look at what happened last weekend. And you just wonder why?
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CROWLEY: Exactly. You know -- and -- and one of the things is that that people say that the law does make it very difficult to force someone into treatment. You know that, that and people tell me in fact that Arizona has one of the better mental health laws. But -- but the problem is, if someone doesn't want treatment, and they have not yet been violent, what is the criteria for getting that, for forcing that person in.
Do we want to live in a country where if you're acting erratically, they -- you automatically have to go, be forced send to treatment? So there were -- there are a lot of things, though I will tell you and as I'm sure you heard that when you put together what everybody knew, there clearly was a picture of a man that should have been taken to treatment somewhere; that someone should have at least evaluated him at some point. But it doesn't seem as though everybody had the whole picture.
KAYE: Right. I know the sheriff has come out and say they believed he's -- he's possibly schizophrenic. And you have some folks on your program today who have had some personal experience with that.
CROWLEY: I do, it's -- I think it's a fascinating show. We -- we have first of all, two psychiatrists, both of whom went into their training because they had schizophrenic siblings. We also have a man named Fred Frese, himself a psychologist, who is a schizophrenic, who had been committed against his will, has been in the past, but went on to get his PhD in psychology.
A reporter, a former "The Washington Post" reporter Pete Earley, whose son was a schizophrenic; so we want to get -- try to get the totality of the experience and maybe educate all of us on what to look for and what not to be afraid of and what's a -- what's a sort of a danger sign.
KAYE: And I'm sure you talk about really who -- who really bears the most responsibility here, because so many folks are pointing fingers.
CROWLEY: Yes, and that's I think always -- I think it's funny because when I spoke to doctors throughout the week and other people who have been involved in mental health issues, they were -- they were less likely to be ones going, well, what about this? What about the parents or what about the school? Or what -- and more likely to say, can we just talk about what next and what we can do to make it so it doesn't happen again so that someone that seems to be in such extreme -- in an extreme position away from reality, that they are given help.
So it will be interesting to see because I know particularly with Early the reporter wrote a very moving column this past week in which he said it's really easy to blame the parents but until you've walked in our shoes, you don't really know what you're up against. And you -- you think things aren't as bad as they are, there are -- there are any number of things that that work against it. So we want to explore all of that.
KAYE: I'm glad you are really. It's such an important issue to discuss and to cover, and really get to the bottom of it and maybe it will make a difference and change something the next time around.
So keep it here for "STATE OF THE UNION" with Candy Crowley. Candy thanks very much. It starts in about 15 minutes at 9:00 a.m. Eastern, 6:00 a.m. Pacific, right here on CNN.
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KAYE: A pirate attack this week on a Danish ship once again highlights the need for security upgrades off the coast of Somalia.
As CNN's Zain Verjee reports security experts are getting creative in an effort to prevent further pirate aggression.
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ZAIN VERJEE, CNN ANCHOR (voice-over): The hope is this can ward off pirates. It may seem laughable but mannequins posing as guards in the dead of night could fool pirates and force them to flee. There are other tactics as one NATO commander tells me.
LARRY TRIM, NATO COMMANDER: Barbed wire perhaps around their -- their ship, they have extra lookouts posted to look for Somali pirates, they have a -- a routine where they can fire and fire flares, water hoses, et cetera.
VERJEE: Warships try to stop pirates before they hit major shipping lanes like the Gulf of Aden.
(on camera): The captain would have seen a skiff out there and then ordered out the Marines to go and deal with the pirates.
TRIM: We take away their equipment, we take away their mother ships, which is damaging to them and then send them back to shore.
VERJEE: In Mombasa, Kenya, the Greek commander supports operations around Somalia for the European Naval Force EU NAVFOR. He tells me what's tough.
CAPT. VASILEIOS EFSTATHIOU, EU NAVFOR: The area really huge. The area of operations is equal about the size of the United States. VERJEE (on camera): Just compare the size here: a powerful warship like this one, completely outfitted with weapons and technology is chasing around boats smaller than the size of this one out on the Indian Ocean.
(voice-over): Deep in a building in central London, one private maritime security firm has got a bird's-eye view. They're watching feeds, tracking vessels and weather patterns.
RAURI DOWDS, MARITIME UNDERWATER SECURITY CONSULTANCY: We analyze them to try and create a picture of what's real and what's not.
VERJEE: They help steer ships in real time, sometimes to rougher waters where small pirate skiffs can't operate.
DOWDS: We always consider factors such as rainfall and most importantly, wind.
(on camera): While I work on the story pirate attacks are up. I get this e-mail from a maritime security consultant, Tim Hart, who says the guys at work are pretty swamped; huge number of attacks over the past few days.
(voice-over): A team at a Malaysian radar center is monitoring the Straits of Malacca. Pirate attacks there are now almost zero.
(on camera): If you take a look at this piece of video, there's a patrol boat that's been sent to investigate what they thought could have been a suspicious boat.
CAPT. WAN AFFANDI BIN WAN AHMAD, MALAYSIAN MARITIME ENFORCEMENT AGENCY: We check papers and what he's doing on the sea.
VERJEE (voice-over): Everyone I speak to tells me there's only one real solution for Somalia, that's not on the sea, but on the shore, where only a government that works can control its people.
For now, as Somali pirates plan attacks, real men and oh, let's call them reinforcements patrol the high seas, hoping ships pass safely.
Zain Verjee, CNN, London.
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KAYE: It is called the anti-Oscars, the best party in Hollywood. Up next, find out how you can join the fun right there from your living room. Here's a hint -- fire up that computer.
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KAYE: It is one of the best Hollywood parties that you can watch from home. I'm talking about the Golden Globe Awards show; it's on tonight. A lot of people say it is the first true indicator of the Oscars front-runners. And if you want to get in on all the fun tonight you can by tweeting with CNN producer Jack Gray who joins us from New York.
Jack I can't believe you woke up so early. I'm really honored that you're doing this with us today.
JACK GRAY, CNN PRODUCER: I don't know what time it is in Atlanta, Randi, but it is like 3:00 a.m. here in New York. And so you could just --
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KAYE: We're on the same time zone. Ok.
GRAY: Well, I'm not sure about that.
KAYE: Listen, you're tweeting and live blogging tonight? Is that true? During the awards?
GRAY: Yes. Basically I've done it for the past few years. It's me, my dog Sammy. She'll be on the sofa with me. She has some kahlua, also peanut butter cups, we just kind of mock and judge people on the telecast which I think is the only way to really approach this.
KAYE: I like that the two of you are working together on this. And the Golden Globes -- correct me if I'm wrong -- this is a whole different deal than the Oscars, right?
GRAY: Oh, it's very different. First of all you've got the blend of TV stars and film stars which is nice, because they all resent each other for various reasons.
But also, I mean really it's kind of like the Oscars are the grandparents that you really want their approval and they're very old- fashioned. And the Golden Globes are more like, you know, the free- wheeling aunt, who yes you want her to think you're cool but ultimately you're just there for the free booze.
KAYE: This is quite a party.
GRAY: So there's a huge difference. And frankly, the Golden Globes are more fun, that's why.
KAYE: How come you're not there?
GRAY: Because CNN is too cheap to pay for me. They make me walk to my apartment down here.
KAYE: Oh, no. It's because we needed you in New York. Let's go with that.
GRAY: Right. Of course, yes, that's the reason.
KAYE: What about Ricky Gervais, how is he going to do as host?
GRAY: I think he'll do great. I believe he's hosted before. He's hilarious and brilliant. As you mentioned he's on the "PIERS MORGAN TONIGHT" show this week, the most dangerous man at CNN. So I am looking forward to that.
But no, Ricky Gervais is great. He's already said he's going to do lots of Charlie Sheen jokes which of course I support and I think they'll be probably a lot cleaner than your Charlie Sheen jokes which I've heard. And you know, let's face it.
I think actually your viewers now that you've got this new anchor gig would need to know that you're not just the top notch anchor but also enjoy a racy limerick or two. So they need to know you're the full package.
KAYE: Let's get to the awards -- your prediction.
GRAY: Well, that's the Randi Kaye I know.
KAYE: Best movie drama, what do you think?
GRAY: "Black Swan" I think is a front-runner. By the way your people and now that you have people, because you're so big down there, they told me that you referred to me as the Gray Swan so I'm a little disappointed you haven't done that yet.
"Black Swan" is huge and "The Social Network" is also a big contender for that prize.
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GRAY: You know, I like "The Social Network". I like "Black Swan". They're both great. I saw them both but "The Social Network", you know, you know how it ends. He discovers Facebook, shocker. I mean it was great acting and it was a great script.
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KAYE: Everybody's talking about "The King's Speech" though.
GRAY: Well you were supposed to see that. I think we made a deal, right. I haven't seen that one.
KAYE: I haven't seen that either.
GRAY: Did you see that? Yes.
KAYE: No. I never got to it.
GRAY: Well, maybe if you stopped clubbing with Ali Velshi all weekend long --
KAYE: Yes. Ali and I have been very busy here, yes. What about "The Fighter"?
GRAY: Yes. Him and his pin striped suits.
KAYE: I saw "The Fighter", I thought that was really good. I thought Christian Bale really stole the show. GRAY: Oh, you mean that -- I thought that was the documentary about you and Sanjay Gupta in the makeup room. Was that not the same film?
KAYE: Jack, come on. "The Fighter's" great stuff.
GRAY: I don't know what movie you're talking about. Is that the one with Mark Wahlberg and his biceps?
KAYE: Yes.
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GRAY: Or is that -- I'll see that. If you'll give me the DVD maybe I'll see it.
KAYE: Well, I know you like "The Kids are All Right".
GRAY: You don't actually see a lot of movies, that's your dirty little secret. You don't see a lot of movies in the theater though, right?
KAYE: I don't have time. But I'm going to watch tonight for sure.
GRAY: Well the only way I get to see them is I go to the special VIP screenings here in New York and I just say hi, I'm Anderson Cooper, I've let myself go. I didn't bring my wig, this is what I look like and I get in.
KAYE: Wait, wait, let's get back to the movies, "The Kids are All Right", do you like that one?
GRAY: You don't want to talk about Anderson's wig?
KAYE: No.
GRAY: Why? Are you worried about your career longevity here if you get that out?
KAYE: Not at all.
GRAY: Ok. "The Kids are All Right" was fantastic, that was Julianne Moore who I see on the subways. How can you not root for someone who takes the subway in New York? And Annette Bening, it was fantastic. But that's in -- that's a different category. That's best movie, comedy or musical --
KAYE: Right.
GRAY: -- which is a weird category because another movie in that category is "The Tourist" the Johnny Depp/Angelina Jolie thriller so I don't know how that made it into the comedy or musical category. But you know, hey, it's Angelina's world, we're just living in it.
KAYE: And of course, unique to the Golden Globes is you get the TV shows as you said in addition to the movies, so do you have a best pick there?
GRAY: Yes. No, there are a bunch of TV shows that are up. In the comedy section, I think it's, well my pick would be for "Modern Family". I love "Modern Family"; I think it's great. But "Glee" is brilliant, "30 Rock" is still solid so I think those are all kind of contenders.
And then you have the dramatic category for dramatic TV shows and in that one I'm rooting for "Boardwalk Empire" because I've never seen it. I'm too cheap to have HBO, but believe it or not my therapist was actually an extra in one of the episodes, so I'm kind of rooting for it on those grounds.
KAYE: Your therapist.
GRAY: Don't laugh. I mean you're acting as if there's something unusual about a therapist taking half of his session to show a patient a clip reel in head shots. I don't think that's unusual.
KAYE: I hope he's watching this morning.
GRAY: Maybe you know something I don't know. I don't.
KAYE: What about -- listen. To me just as important as the movies and the TV shows are the fashions. I love to sit on my couch with my dog and talk about those.
GRAY: yes. I mean I don't know anything about fashion. You know me, you're just -- just be grateful I'm wearing pants, like I said. But I would defer to you and Joan Rivers on fashion. Aesthetically, but what I do know is that there are apparently going to be a few maternity dresses tonight because there's this baby boom in Hollywood. You might have heard about it.
I know Kate Hudson is pregnant. I believe Portman is pregnant, she's up for "Black Swan". Probably the biggest star of the night is Natalie Portman. She's pregnant. She's engaged to her choreographer from the movie so apparently they were doing some choreography at home.
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KAYE: All right. Jack, we have to leave it there.
GRAY: Bye Randi, thank you.
KAYE: Enjoy your Sunday. We'll catch you tonight live blogging. And we'll be right back.
GRAY: All right. Thanks so much.
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KAYE: "STATE OF THE UNION" with Candy Crowley is coming up at the top of the hour. But first, a quick check of this morning's headlines. Checking top stories, an odd twist to the Tucson mass shooting; one of the survivors, James Fuller is now being held in a mental unit after making a death threat during a town hall meeting. It happened as the conversation turned to gun control. No charges have been filed.
Meanwhile, a big step forward for Congresswoman Gabby Giffords' recovery; she's off the ventilator and breathing on her own through a tracheotomy tube.
There is fear in the African country of Tunisia, following weeks of anti-government protests. Our Ben Wedeman reports the streets are quiet now with military personnel everywhere. Violent protests forced Tunisia's president from office.
And GM is recalling thousands of Cadillacs, Chevrolet and GMC trucks and SUVs because their rear axles could lock. If that happens you could lose control, though GM says it has no reports of accidents or injuries.
Thanks for being with us. "STATE OF THE UNION" with Candy Crowley starts right now.
