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GOP candidates Square Off; Ten Years of "No Child Left Behind"
Aired January 08, 2012 - 08:00 ET
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GARY TUCHMAN, CNN ANCHOR: From CNN Center, this is CNN SUNDAY MORNING. It is Sunday, January 8th.
Good morning. I'm Gary Tuchman.
In New Hampshire, the Republican presidential contenders trading verbal blows. Did anyone land a knockout punch?
Dramatic video shows a cargo ship split in two. Authorities say the result is a disaster.
And a Texas pastor calls on married couples in his congregation to engage in a week of sex, seven straight days of sex. He and his wife are going to join me this hour to talk about the results of this sex-periment.
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TUCHMAN: But we don't start with sex, we start with politics and that debate in New Hampshire. You may have missed it while out for a late dinner last night or o while watching the NFL playoffs. So, we have got the highlights, the hits, the misses, the punches not thrown.
Here's CNN's political editor Paul Steinhauser.
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PAUL STEINHAUSER, CNN POLITICAL EDITOR: Hey. Good morning, Gary.
Round one this doubleheader of debates this weekend up here in New Hampshire is over. And guess what? Front-runner Mitt Romney is still the front-runner. The former Massachusetts governor who's way ahead in polls here in New Hampshire really remained unscathed in this debate as a lot of his rivals for the Republican nomination didn't really attack him but rather went after each other.
Take a listen to this exchange between Ron Paul, the congressman from Texas, and former Senator Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania, who's really been surging in the polls. REP. RON PAUL (R-TX), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: He's a big government person along with him being very associated with the lobbyists and taking a lot of funds. And also, where did he make his living afterwards? I mean, he became a high-powered lobbyist in Washington, D.C.
RICK SANTORUM (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: It's a ridiculous charge. And you should know better than to cite George Soros-like organizations to say that they're corrupt. So, that's number one. So, Ron, I'm a conservative, I'm not a libertarian, I believe in some government.
STEINHAUSER: Former Utah Governor Jon Huntsman is placing all his chips right here in New Hampshire. He didn't really campaign in Iowa and he's hoping for a strong finish here in Tuesday's primary. Huntsman was touting his experience as U.S. ambassador to China. But Mitt Romney had an answer.
JON HUNTSMAN (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: It's nonsense to think you can slap a tariff on China the first day that you're in office as Governor Romney would like to do. You've got to sort through the issues of trade like you do with North Korea, like you do with Iran, like you do with Burma, and Pakistan, and the South China Sea. They're all interrelated.
And to have a president who actually understands how that relationship works would serve the interests of the people of this country from an economic standpoint and from a security standpoint.
RICK ROMNEY (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I'm sorry. Governor, you were the last two years implementing the policies of this administration in China.
STEINHAUSER: Texas Governor Rick Perry had a disappointing fifth place finish in Iowa. He's hoping for a strong comeback. He appeared to make a little news at the debate.
GOV. RICK PERRY (R-TX), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I would send troops back in to Iraq, because I will tell you --
MODERATOR: Now?
PERRY: I think we start talking with the Iraqi individuals there. The idea that we allow the Iranians to come back into Iraq and take over that country with all of the treasure both in blood and money that we have spent in Iraq because this president wants to kowtow to his liberal leftist base and move out those men and women. He could have renegotiated that time frame. I think it is a huge error for us.
STEINHAUSER: Those comments sure generated a lot of buzz online and on the social networks. And they were a talking point in the spin room after the debate.
This debate only round one. A few hours from now, another showdown between these six candidates as we get closer and closer to Tuesday's primary -- Gary.
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TUCHMAN: Paul, thank you very much.
Joining me now from Manchester, New Hampshire, is Patricia Murphy. Patricia is the founder and editor of "Citizen Jane Politics."
Now, Patricia, Mitt Romney, the clear front-runner in the New Hampshire primary two days away from now, the clear front-runner in the South Carolina primary polls, which is 13 days from now, a week from Saturday -- did his rivals miss the mark but not directly going after him last night?
PATRICIA MURPHY, CITIZEN JANE POLITICS: I personally think, yes, they did miss the mark. Nobody has really gone after Mitt Romney in nearly any of these debates. If somebody doesn't do it soon, he is going to be the run-away winner of this entire campaign.
But what you saw instead is what is happening here on the ground in New Hampshire, really a four-way battle for second and third place. These candidates know they need to come out of New Hampshire with momentum going into South Carolina and going into Florida. So we saw instead of all these guys going after Mitt Romney they started just having a dog fight against each other. And so, there are a couple of clips where you saw Santorum going after Ron Paul, Ron Paul going after Newt Gingrich.
They're also all exhausted to this point. You saw real flashes of anger between them as well.
So, as much as it was strategic, I think there was a lot of fatigue and just some genuine frustration against the other candidates for running negative ads against them. So, I think all of that was wrapped up in what we saw last night.
TUCHMAN: I mean, you talk about the interesting back-and-forths that we saw last night. We want to play one of them, Mitt Romney and Jon huntsman arguing over China.
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ROMNEY: If I'm president of the United States, I'm not going to continue to talk about how important China is and how we have to get along, and I believe those things. They're very important. And we do have to get along.
But I'm also going to tell the Chinese it's time to stop. You have to play by the rules. I will not let you kill American jobs any longer.
HUNTSMAN: I think it's important to note as they would say in China, Mitt. (SPEAKING CHINESE). He doesn't -- he doesn't quite understand this situation. What he is calling for would lead to a trade war. It makes for easy talk and a nice applause line, but it's far different from the reality in the U.S.-China relationship.
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TUCHMAN: Patricia, I'm guessing that's the first time that Chinese has been uttered at a presidential debate in U.S. political history. Either way as Huntsman who knows Chinese and was the ambassador in Beijing, is he generating any buzz with two days to go before the primary?
MURPHY: He -- well, first of all, I'm sure that must have been a real zinger in mandarin but nobody in the audience really knew what he was talking about so just a very strange moment. And something that Huntsman is struggling with here, even though he's very good on the issues, the New Hampshire voters, they are saying, he doesn't have a lot of charisma. He's just not catching fire. So they like what they see on paper but when they meet him in person, it's just a little bit of a wet rag reaction.
I've been with him in a lot of rooms and people say, I really like him, but I don't know. So, he needs to start really connecting with people.
I interviewed his wife yesterday. She's wonderful. His daughters are wonderful. So we know there is a lot of personality there, he just needs to sort of wake up and come alive to start attracting these voters.
So I don't know if he's catching fire here. He's in the double digits. People who support him are strong supporters of his.
But he needs to do very well in New Hampshire. He's really bet his entire campaign on this. He did not campaign in Iowa. He's been here for months.
If he doesn't do very well here, I would say first or second here, I don't know how much longer Jon Huntsman can really go on.
TUCHMAN: Well, Rick Santorum, he caught fire in the Iowa caucuses. If he got nine for votes, he would have won the Iowa caucuses, lost by eight votes to Mitt Romney. Is he catching fire, continuing momentum from his second place finish in Iowa?
MURPHY: He has really had some huge crowds here in New Hampshire. And of all the candidates, he really has the most packed schedule every day. He's doing up to eight events a day.
Yesterday, before the debates -- most candidates had one, two, maybe three events -- he had four town halls. His town halls are really drawing huge numbers of people. Most of the people are just coming to find out more about him, to learn more about his policies and they are hearing maybe some attacks on him on New Hampshire television and radio that they just want answered. So, he's at least generating a lot more interest than he was before. Whether they're going to end up supporting him is going to be the big question for him. He's definitely trying to build on his momentum and we'll know Tuesday if he really did.
TUCHMAN: OK. Patricia, I really want to share one more exchange from last night, Newt Gingrich facing criticism from Ron Paul over military service.
Now, Paul served in the active military. Gingrich did not. Listen.
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PAUL: I think people who don't serve when they could and they get three or four, even five deferments, aren't -- they have no right to send our kids off to war and not be even against the wars that we have. I'm trying to stop the wars, but at least I went when they called me up.
NEWT GINGRICH (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Dr. Paul has a long history of saying things that are inaccurate and false. The fact is, I never asked for deferment. I was married with a child. It was never a question. My father was in fact serving in Vietnam in the Mekong Delta at the time he's referring to.
I think I have a pretty good idea what have it is like as a family to worry about your father getting killed and I personally resent the kind of comments and aspersions he routinely makes without accurate information and then just slurs people with.
PAUL: I need one quick follow-up. When I was drafting, I was married and I had two kids and I went.
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GINGRICH: I wasn't eligible for the draft. I wasn't eligible for the draft.
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TUCHMAN: By the way, Paul and Perry are the only two of the candidates who didn't serve active military service.
Meanwhile, Patricia, how is this debate for Gingrich? It was very important for him I think to do well today in the debate that's coming up and last night. How did he do last night?
MURPHY: I think he did well enough. I don't know if he really significantly improved his chances here in New Hampshire, but he certainly didn't hurt himself.
But what you saw there with Ron Paul -- there is a very unusual divide right now between Ron Paul and almost everybody else in this race. Ron Paul on TV is going after these candidates and he's accused Newt Gingrich, for example, of serial hypocrisy. So, you saw the real anger from Gingrich coming back at Ron Paul. Ron Paul has also accused Rick Santorum of being a serial hypocrite as well.
So, what you see on the stage is some of the sort of latent anger that's going on between these candidates. They're hitting each other really, really hard. It's a huge pitched battle for second and third. And I think that's what you saw.
Gingrich is in the race for second and third. We'll se how he does on Tuesday.
TUCHMAN: Patricia, by the way, behind you -- it looks like a Norman Rockwell painting. A beautiful vision. Thank that photographer for such a great picture of you standing there.
MURPHY: Well, you know, we're actually sitting in a U-Haul truck. So, what's behind me is not something in front of me.
TUCHMAN: I see.
MURPHY: It's the magic of television.
TUCHMAN: Very good. Television has some magic and even fooled me. And I've been on television for --
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TUCHMAN: Patricia, thank you so much for your insight. It's really appreciated today. OK?
MURPHY: Thank you. I appreciate it.
TUCHMAN: Yes.
Well, we'll have much more on the debate with our Candy Crowley. That's coming up a little later in the show. And on her show, "STATE OF THE UNION," Candy welcomes Jon Huntsman. So stay around for that.
And don't forget, CNN's live team coverage of the New Hampshire primary begins Tuesday, 7:00 Eastern Time.
Nearly 100 soldiers are in lockdown at a Seattle base. The soldiers are confined to the Lewis-McChord Army Air Force Base after authorities received a report that sensitive equipment, including scopes and night lasers were missing. A spokesman for the base says they are trying to determine how long the equipment has been gone. The soldiers returned from Iraq in September 2010.
A cargo ship that's been stranded on a reef off the coast of New Zealand since last year has split in two. Bad weather is being blamed for the split which sent hundreds of containers and debris into the water. Tons of oil spilled from the ship but ran aground last October.
Government officials say it is the country's most significant maritime environmental disaster.
Congresswoman Gabby Giffords is back in Tucson, Arizona, today for a ceremony mark being the one-year anniversary of her shooting. Six people were killed, 13 others were injured on that attack. She and her husband, Mark Kelly, visited a memorial for Gabe Zimmerman, an aide of Giffords, who was killed in the attack.
We'll have much more on this stare later in our program.
Warm, cold, snow, rain -- it's hard to figure out what's going on. This January 8th. We're almost to the middle of January. I mean, I think the coldest weeks of the winter are the end of January. So, we're coming up to the coldest weeks of winter.
And, so far, Alexandra Steele, it's been pretty moderate in most of the United States, correct?
ALEXANDRA STEELE, AMS METEOROLOGIST: Oh, in the Northeast yesterday. New York and New Jersey, 60-degree temperatures. More indicative of April than January -- 50 tomorrow in Denver, Colorado.
So where is the cold? As Gary asked. Well, we do have some weather. Storms developing along the southern tier of the country and some snow and some cooling temperatures. So, I've got a full weather package coming up for you in just a few moments.
TUCHMAN: More from Alexandra soon. Thank you very much, Alexandra.
An extreme vacation outing ends with a scare. This was the scene as an Australian tourist -- this is unbelievable -- experienced the ultimate nightmare during a bungee jump. She survived. Let's make that very clear.
But the plunge into the river was just the beginning of her troubles. Wow.
But first, what do the words bailout, app and tweet have in common? All of them were previously chosen as word of the year. In a minute, we'll reveal what word won for 2011. Here's a hint -- think 99 percent.
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TUCHMAN: The word is out. The linguists have spoken. Remember all these -- how can we forget? The word of the year for 2011 is -- occupy.
Occupy won a run-off vote by a whopping majority. Members from the American Dialect Society came out in record numbers to vote this year at their annual conference. That's one of the things they do at their conference. "Occupy" joins previous year's winners app, tweet and bailout.
Now, watch closely. Frightening as it is to admit, anyone who thinks about bungee jumping has an image of this. It came true for a 22-year-old Australian tourist. She survived.
But as she jumped over the Zambezi River in Africa, her cord snapped. She plummeted 365 feet into the water. That's more than 100 yards. That's more than a football field into the water.
She survived but then she faced another challenge, the bungee cord was wrapped around her legs and she had to swim through rapids to get out of there. I'm really curious if she will ever jump again.
If she jumps again, we will show you the video. Hopefully be more successful.
Now, speaking of words of the day, my word of the day is playoffs. That's because it's wild card weekend in the NFL.
HLN Sports Ray D'Alessio is here with me now to take us through the action from last night. Houston Texans, a big -- I mean, it's the first playoff game. They are an expansion team.
RAY D'ALESSIO, HLN SPORTS: Right.
TUCHMAN: And they won their first playoff.
D'ALESSIO: Joined the league in 2002, Gary, as you mentioned. They are a huge story this year, mostly because their top two quarterbacks are on the injured list.
Enter third string quarterback T.J. Yates. This is an undrafted rookie. In fact, he wasn't even invited to the rookie camp, or to the rookie combine. We'll have more on that in a second.
But the other big story last night, J.J. Watt. He's also a rookie. How about this -- look at the way he intercepts this pass, he jumps up, snatches it out of midair.
As you mentioned, Texans get their first playoff win winning 31 to 10. They're going to travel to the Ravens next week.
Now, more on T.J. Yates. I mentioned he was undrafted out of North Carolina, wasn't even invited to the combine last year as a prospect. He was invited there to throw to the receivers and one of the coaches for the Texans saw him and said, you know what? We may want to consider taking this guy. And sure enough, they drafted him and he's become basically an instant star for them.
I certainly feel they've got two great quarterbacks, but I certainly feel that if he continues the way that they're going, there could be a quarterback controversy in Houston next year. It would not surprise me.
TUCHMAN: Well, there's no quarterback controversies between the Saints and the Lions.
D'ALESSIO: No.
TUCHMAN: That was a shootout.
D'ALESSIO: No quarterback controversies there. When you talk about the New Orleans Saints, of course, you are talking about Drew Brees, Gary. I definitely think this guy cemented his place in the NFL hall of fame. The pro-football hall of fame.
What a performance by this guy last night. Not one, not two, three touchdown passes against the Lions. He threw for 466 yards. That is the most yards in a regulation playoff game.
New Orleans was down 14-10 at halftime. They exploded for 35 second half points. They won this game 45-28.
Next week, they travel to San Francisco to take on the 49ers.
But again, Drew Brees, what can you say about this guy that hasn't been said already? He's just absolutely incredible. He's a great guy off the field, superb quarterback on the field. Canton, Ohio, definitely has a way to -- definitely has a place for him some day.
TUCHMAN: Real quick, your predictions today about of Falcons- Giants.
D'ALESSIO: I definitely like the Giants in that game. The Falcons --
TUCHMAN: It's in New Jersey.
D'ALESSIO: Yes, it's going to be in New Jersey, but I definitely like the Giants. As far as the second game, that's a tossup. You've got Tim Tebow going against Ben Roethlisberger and the Steelers. Steelers are banged up but, of course, the Broncos are on a three-game losing streak.
I got to go with the experience in this game. I'm going to go with the Steelers.
TUCHMAN: Game's in Denver.
D'ALESSIO: Yes.
TUCHMAN: But the Steelers are a better team.
D'ALESSIO: Yes, they are.
TUCHMAN: Ray D'Alessio, thanks.
D'ALESSIO: OK. Good to see you, Gary.
TUCHMAN: Very nice seeing you, too. We'll be watching football, all of us, and the news, and the debates -- there's a lot going on.
It almost impacts every student and every teacher. It's one of the driving forces behind what's being taught in classrooms. No Child Left Behind, 10 years later. Coming up, what it still means for your kid and what's being done with it.
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TUCHMAN: Today, we mark a major anniversary that has affected your son, daughter, grandchild, and almost every student and teacher in the United States of America. Exactly 10 years ago today, in the year 2002, President George W. Bush signed No Child Left Behind into law.
CNN student news anchor Carl Azuz is here to look at the impact of the controversy of No Child Left Behind.
Carl, take a step back. What were the initial goals whether this was implemented a decade ago?
CARL AZUZ, CNN STUDENT NEWS ANCHOR: Well, initially, No Child Left Behind, Gary, was designed to sort of expand federal education legislation dating back to 1965. And at the time, it became the most sweeping federal legislation on education in American history back in 2002 when it was signed.
And there are a lot of different provisions to No Child Left Behind, but really at the heart and soul of it is the goal to drive student achievement and to hold schools accountable to the federal government for ensuring that students are getting a consistently improving education.
TUCHMAN: So, it became obviously very controversial.
Let's talk impact. What happened because of the law?
AZUZ: Well, there were some good things and some bad things with anything, as you might expect, Gary. You know, a lot of people who support No Child Left Behind, they hailed the intent of the law. They say that it had some good ideas behind it and they also say that it did help bring accountability to schools to show the student's education was continually getting better.
They also say that it did help to some extent to start narrowing the achievement gap between progress measured in rich and poor schools. But on the downside, a lot of folks' focus on testing.
See, in No Child Left Behind, schools have to show what's called adequate yearly progress to the federal government. An adequate yearly progress became pretty controversial in its own right because it's measured through test scores, usually standardized test scores.
And a lot of critics say that has led to a culture of focusing on teaching to the test rather than concept-based learning and other forms of learning to include subjects like social studies, for instance, Gary. In fact, last year, under No Child Left Behind, almost half of American schools failed to meet the government's requirements for adequate yearly progress.
TUCHMAN: So, let's fast forward 10 years later to today. What are lawmakers doing about No Child Left Behind today?
AZUZ: When it passed, it passed with large bipartisan support, both sides. And both sides today do agree that something has to be done to help fix this law. It's not considered a success. However, what they disagree on is how exactly to do that. Republicans over the weekend introduced draft legislation in the House that would eliminate adequate yearly progress and would make schools accountable to states, districts and parents rather than the federal government for showing student progress. But there was a Democrat on the committee who said that this would also fail to hold schools accountable for education improvement.
So, there is sort of a partisan divide now, Gary, in terms of how to fix it, even though both sides do agree it needs to be fixed.
TUCHMAN: Ten years of No Child Left Behind. Carl Azuz, thanks for joining me.
AZUZ: Thank you, Gary. Appreciate it.
TUCHMAN: And for talking with us.
Well, warm, cold, rain, snow, a lot to update you on your weekend forecast. Meteorologist Alexandra Steele with the details in just a minute.
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TUCHMAN: While many of us in the United States have been enjoying the warm weather this winter, things may soon be cooling off.
I guess, Alexandra Steele, that's not that much of a surprise. It is the middle of January.
STEELE: That's right. And it can't always be 62 degrees temperatures in New York and New Jersey like yesterday.
So, record warmth once again but it's really in the South this morning kind of seeing the most action on this Sunday. We've got clouds. We've got showers and fog. We got dense fog advisories all the way from Houston to New Orleans, really all the way through the southern Georgia and Alabama coasts, then all the way up into north Georgia as well.
So, dense fog out there until 10:00 this morning. So, certainly impacts your travel this morning.
And here's the radar. And you can see, of course, where all the rain is.
So, not a total washout but clouds and showers are still flying in or out of any of these places. Of course, the bull's-eye is the southeast -- Atlanta, Birmingham, Charlotte. Los Angeles some fog early this morning and then improving conditions for the afternoon as well.
All right. The record heat was on. Texas, Galveston, 75 there yesterday. Greenville-Spartanburg in South Carolina, 71 yesterday. New York and New Jersey, New York LaGuardia, 62, more indicative of an April day than a June day, January day. So, what we're going to see today temperatures really cooling down, cold front moving through the Northeast, dropping down these temperatures a little bit. But still in the Southeast, that's where the heat will be on.
Temperature departures even for tomorrow, still you can see in New York, 44, above average. But a little bit cooler than where we've been.
But look at the Northern Plains and Upper Midwest, the Twin Cities, 22 degrees above average. Almost 30 in Minot? That's where it's kind of the most obvious this morning and glaring in terms of the heat and where we should be compared to normal.
Denver, 46. So, 50 degrees, close to it, tomorrow. But then we're going to get into some snow on Wednesday. So, that air's cooling down there as well.
So today's forecast, of course, there is this little cool front that moved through so maybe you are watching us from New Hampshire, getting ready, getting out. What we're seeing there really cooled the last few days, then we warmed up yesterday and now temperatures dropping down a little bit, so kind of a vacillation in some temperatures but still above average.
Here in the southeast, it's warm, it's wet. The fog is around this morning. Warm Chinook winds we already had that lesson earlier this morning; in Montana really warming things up there. And also some snow, maybe one to six inches in the Colorado Rockies, really southern Colorado in toward areas farther south like New Mexico. That's where we'll see the snow, so a little bit of snow.
The week ahead, here's the big story pretty dry except here in the southeast. Tuesday into Wednesday, the rain stays in the south and makes its way Gary into the mid-Atlantic, Baltimore, Washington, for Wednesday.
TUCHMAN: Alexandra, it's been nice working with you this weekend. Have a nice rest of your weekend.
STEELE: You, too, Gary.
TUCHMAN: Ok.
Well are you ready to talk about sex while you are at church? One Texas pastor called on married couples in his congregation to have sex every day for a week. The reaction was enthusiastic.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In fact, 12:01. We've already started practicing.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Because the bible said so.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It is a great reminder to kind of clear the clutter out and really focus on my wife and our relationship.
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TUCHMAN: Pastor Ed Young and his wife Lisa. And you see them right there. They've written a book about this "Sexperiment". They're going to tell us what they and the couples in their church have learned from this.
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TUCHMAN: Checking top stories, the Republican presidential candidates are getting ready to square off for the second time in just hours. They traded barbs during an ABC News debate last night. They debate again on NBC this morning. The New Hampshire primary only two days away.
Iran says its new nuclear plant will soon operate at full capacity. The government has said the power plant will only be used to generate electricity but the U.S. is concerned that Iran may be developing a nuclear program for military purposes.
A container ship grounded off the coast of New Zealand has finally broken in two. Big swells battered the helpless ship knocking a couple of hundred containers off the deck. The ship ran into a reef back in October.
Well, how often is sex the main topic of conversation at your church, synagogue or mosque? Several years ago one Texas preacher called on married couples in his congregation to have sex every day for a week.
Now, that Pastor Ed Young and his wife Lisa are releasing a book based on the results of that challenge called "Sexperiment". The purpose help couples reconnect and improve their marriages.
Well, Pastor Young and his wife are joining me this morning from Dallas. I know both of you, this is amusing to a lot of us but you're dead serious about this.
I mean when you first issued this challenge to your congregation, I mean did some people faint in the congregation? What was the reaction?
PASTOR ED YOUNG, AUTHOR, "SEXPERIMENT": Yes. I think some people fainted but basically the guys went nuts. They were so excited. They gave us a standing ovation. But then after the "Sexperiment" had been going on for three or four days we began to have incredible e-mails and responses from the wives.
So it's been very, very well received. So that's why we're so excited about this book. We think this book will revolutionize marriages.
TUCHMAN: Ok, I read the book. It's very interesting. And one line I want to read to you --
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E. YOUNG: Well, thank you.
TUCHMAN: -- yes, one line I want to read to you and tell me what this means.
E. YOUNG: Ok.
TUCHMAN: I mean I think I know what it means but I want to hear from both of you. "We've kicked the bed out of church and got out of the bed. We need to bring the bed back in the church and God back in the bed." Was God once in the bed -- you're saying God used to be in the bed.
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TUCHMAN: It's sounds -- to be honest, I mean, it's funny but it sounds to some people I know sacrilegious.
LISA YOUNG, CO-AUTHOR, "SEXPERIMENT": Yes. I would say that for far too long the church has been silent about talking about a subject that God was not silent about. And he certainly wasn't -- He's the author and creator of sex so why would we not in the context of church speak about something that he was not bashful about? And we believe very strongly that the family unit is the number one place to talk about sex and the church is the second best place to talk about sex.
But throughout church history we find that, you know, the church has just been silent and it's been a taboo subject. We've heard a lot of don't, don't, don't, don't rather than how God says to do it and do it in the context of his guidelines and guard rails.
E. YOUNG: So basically God said that that -- that we're to make love within the beauty and the covenant of marriage.
TUCHMAN: So when the subject turns to sex in many churches, it's usually in the context of sin. What is the role of sex in a Christian marriage?
E. YOUNG: I think the role of sex in a Christian marriage is the super glue that holds it together. The only relationship on planet earth that's analogous to God's relation to his people is marriage. So we feel like what happens inside the bedroom affects what happens outside the bedroom and what happens outside the bedroom affects what happens inside the bedroom.
So when you have the freedom and the joy in a mutually satisfying sexual relationship, when you see it from God's perspective, I think the lights come on and you discover your destiny as husband and wife.
TUCHMAN: Now what are the biggest obstacles that you found in the couples in your church are facing when they are trying to make sex a priority in their relationship.
E. YOUNG: Wow. TUCHMAN: And they're trying to have sex every day for seven days. I mean they are -- are people having -- I know there's some confidentiality here obviously but have some of your members had some problems with this?
E. YOUNG: Yes. Some of our members have and Lisa and I have as well. I think there are definitely barriers around the bed. For example, kids. I like to say kids means "keeping intimacy at a distance successfully".
L. YOUNG: Now don't get us wrong, we love our children.
E. YOUNG: Yes we love them.
L. YOUNG: We have four beautiful children and they're in their teen years now and older. But kids can create a problem with, you know, your scheduling and all the hectic pace of life.
So for Ed and I part of the -- the negotiation for the seven-day sex challenge is definitely working with our schedules and our children.
E. YOUNG: Yes I think also speaking of schedules, just the NASCAR pace of life; that tends to lead to a sexless marriage. I think sickness, I think people just not being in the mood. So this --
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L. YOUNG: Even -- even age.
E. YOUNG: Yes even age.
L. YOUNG: Age can have -- the older we get, sometimes the libido goes down a bit. But in all seriousness, one of the things that many couples found challenging was the fact that they had a lot of hurt and healing that needed to take place in their marriage.
We're not asking people just to jump in the bed and start having sex; married couples to jump in the bed and have sex. We're saying that sex is bigger than most people ever imagined. It's more multi- faceted than people think of.
E. YOUNG: That's right.
L. YOUNG: And most couples don't think deeply enough about sex. And so before you jump into the bed with your spouse, you might need to walk into a counselor's office to get some dialogue going and get things out on the table so that there's real healing.
But what we do know is that sex, being multi-faceted and being this -- this spiritual side to it, it's not just a physical thing. It's a spiritual, emotional, physical -- all those things make it the beautiful thing that God created it to be and couples should definitely enjoy it.
E. YOUNG: That's right. TUCHMAN: Well, one more quick question for you; just a quick answer to this. Do you -- are you positive -- are you sure that people in your church are healthier because of the -- healthier in religious ways, in emotional ways and mental ways because they participated in this experiment or the "sexperiment?"
E. YOUNG: I -- you know I definitely believe so. And we're so into this. That Lisa and I are doing a bed-in. We're sleeping on top of our church for 24 hours starting on Friday and we're doing a ginormous date night for couples to show everyone, hey it's time to put the bed back in church and God back in the bed because God is the one who thought sex up, sex begins in heaven.
TUCHMAN: Ok, when you put that bed on the church, you might want to put up a curtain while you're up there.
E. YOUNG: I know. No, we're not, yes.
L. YOUNG: The "sexperiment" will not have begun yet.
E. YOUNG: No, no hanky-panky.
L. YOUNG: No, hanky-panky.
E. YOUNG: Just a statement.
TUCHMAN: Ed and Lisa Young, this was a very interesting and enlightening conversation. Thank you for joining us today. We appreciate it.
E. YOUNG: Thank you.
L. YOUNG: Thank you.
TUCHMAN: For more on issues related to faith, go to our belief blog at CNN -- CNN -- I can't even talk after that -- CNN.com/belief. You can also -- I'm even choked up.
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TUCHMAN: I was all choked up during that last interview, but now no longer choked up because I'm talking to my friend Candy Crowley. "STATE OF THE UNION" with Candy Crowley coming up right here on CNN at the top of the hour; Candy joins us live from the site of last night's GOP debate with a preview of the show today.
Candy, it was great seeing you in person in Iowa last week. Now it's on to New Hampshire and you'll be talking to former New Hampshire Governor John Sununu.
CANDY CROWLEY, CNN HOST, "STATE OF THE UNION": Absolutely, who has a very good lay of the land but who also comes with a slight bias. He is supporting Governor Romney in this bid. He feels pretty good about Romney's chances here but I think almost anybody that looks at the polls would be able to agree with him that Romney at this point having come out with that squeaker lead in Iowa which was eight or so votes, stands a pretty good chance of winning by a heck of a lot more here in the New Hampshire primary on Tuesday.
We also have on Bob Walker. He's a former congressman who is supporting Newt Gingrich. The two of them -- I don't know if it strikes you this way, Gary, or not -- meaning Romney and Gingrich -- there's something there that's at a higher level of friction than among the other candidates as far as I can see, although it didn't come out in that debate last night.
TUCHMAN: Well, that's an important point, Candy. Were you surprised during the debate last night that the other candidates did not go after Romney?
CROWLEY: Listen, I think it's a recognition that in the end only one of them is going to be able to go after Romney with any power. Because right now basically with the exception of Ron Paul and he does figure into it somewhat, but they are splitting the same vote, whether it's Santorum to certain extent Huntsman but not quite, but whether it's Santorum or Gingrich or Perry, they're all going after that conservative vote and they can't all go after Mitt Romney with a third of that vote.
So I think them going after each other makes a certain amount of sense because only one of them really has a shot at really taking on Mitt Romney. And by the way, that window is closing pretty quickly. It may be in South Carolina that we find out whether anybody is going to be strong enough to stop Romney who has quite a head of steam right now.
TUCHMAN: And South Carolina is already a week from Saturday, 13 days away. So things are moving quickly.
I understand you also have House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on your program today.
CROWLEY: Nancy Pelosi and I got it -- we did this before I left Washington actually. And she was getting ready to leave. I -- you know it is -- it is worth the price of admission to listen to Nancy Pelosi talk about the Republican field.
I think people will either -- either it will make them really angry or they'll get a kick out of it. I'm not sure which. But in any case, it will draw their attention to hear now the majority leader, no longer the Speaker of the House, as you know. Although she has very high hopes that Democrats are going to be able to take those 25 seats that they need -- to get those 25 seats to become the majority once again in November.
TUCHMAN: It sounds like a very interesting program. I didn't know you were charging for admission, that this is pay cable, but I think that either way it is worth the price of admission.
CROWLEY: We don't. Cable operators do.
TUCHMAN: That's right. That's ok.
Candy Crowley, thank you very much. Keep it here on CNN for Candy's program, "STATE OF THE UNION". Starts in 15 minutes, 9:00 Eastern time, 6:00 Pacific right here on CNN
We know driving while drunk is dangerous. But what about driving with a cold? Some interesting new information just ahead.
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TUCHMAN: Everyone knows that driving after you've had too much to drink is dangerous and selfish. But what about getting behind the wheel the next time you have a cold? The common cold. Our very own Nadia Bilchik has the answers for this "Morning's Passport". So -- what's going on?
NADIA BILCHIK, CNN EDITORIAL PRODUCER: Well, what happens is in the United Kingdom, an insurance company, Young Marmalade, and Cardiff University have got together and come up with a study that having a cold or flu can be just as dangerous as driving drunk. In fact they say it the equivalent of having four double shots of whiskey.
TUCHMAN: Well, that's obviously dangerous when you have four double shots of whiskey to drive. But how do they do that. Obviously if you have a minor cold it is not as severe as if you have a major cold, you're hacking and you're wheezing and sneezing.
BILCHIK: Exactly. But you know, with all of these studies they're not totally finite and there's some criticism about the study but it's not very comprehensive. But it is certainly making people aware that having a cold or flu can impair your judgment, mood and concentration. And those are the things that they are looking at.
They don't actually say in the study was it if they had taken some kind of flu medication.
TUCHMAN: Because that would obviously make it --
BILCHIK: Exactly.
TUCHMAN: I mean I know when I take heavy medications I'm like nodding off.
BILCHIK: In fact there's a rep term called "sipping the scissor". Have you ever heard that?
TUCHMAN: I can't say I have.
BILCHIK: Well, now you have.
TUCHMAN: Have you heard that before you investigated this?
BILCHIK: No.
TUCHMAN: Ok. I'm just curious. Ok.
BILCHIK: You know rap terms are always (INAUDIBLE) -- I heard the word "dope" for the first time which is a word for something wonderful.
TUCHMAN: "Doh"? Doesn't Homer Simpson say that?
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BILCHIK: It's something that's wonderful, it is "dope".
TUCHMAN: That I have. Ok.
BILCHIK: I bet you heard. "Sipping the scissor" is having codeine. So obviously in a flu or cold you might be sipping the scissor and that would alter your mood incrementally. But apparently the study was done on people who hasn't necessarily taken medication. But what they did was they test your braking and your basic reflexes and how you went around a curve and they found that people who had cold or a flu were literally as impaired as somebody who had been drinking. That's the study.
And again with all of these studies, are they ever definitive? But what it's saying, Gary, is let's be careful. If you have a cold or flu, be careful, be mindful.
And then you asked me a question earlier.
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TUCHMAN: Well, I asked you a question. You know, we hear a lot about, you know, in many states you can't talk on the phone. Like here in Georgia, you can; but in other states you can't.
BILCHIK: Right.
TUCHMAN: You need to have an earpiece or speaker phone. You can't text in most states.
BILCHIK: Right.
TUCHMAN: It is against the law.
And then you also hear people say, are you going to make changing radio stations illegal, are you going to make wiping your nose illegal. The problem is I think a lot of drunk drivers might be -- driving drunk is worse than all these things. Driving drunk is worse than all these things.
BILCHIK: Well, driving drunk we know definitively because the research on driving drunk is absolutely extensive and definitive. But a study like this comes out it just says let's all be careful.
So Gary, let's hope you won't get a cold this season. Have you had your flu shot?
TUCHMAN: I've had my flu shot but I get a cold every year no matter and I lose my voice which in this job is a very big hazard.
BILCHIK: I know. Well, be a little bit careful. And don't go sipping on the scissor.
TUCHMAN: Yes. No, thank you for helping me learn some new terms today. That's very interesting.
Nadia Bilchik, thanks for joining us.
Bilchik: Thank you.
TUCHMAN: Appreciate it.
Well, today is the one-year anniversary of that deadly shooting rampage in Tucson, Arizona. We will take a look back at that day and reflect on a community that's moving forward.
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TUCHMAN: Checking top stories, we're two days away from the nation's first primary. The six remaining GOP candidates are getting ready for another debate in New Hampshire. It will be the second debate in about 12 hours. They squared off last night during an ABC News debate.
Around 100 soldiers are on lockdown at Lewis McCord Army Air Force Base in Washington State. Commanders are reacting to a report of missing military equipment, including night lasers and gun scopes. Restricted soldiers are all part of the 4th Brigade 2nd Infantry Division. Officials are saying right now there is no threat to the public.
Former Pakistani president Musharraf is ready to return home to Pakistan. He is expected to announce when he will do so to supporters today via a video link. Musharraf is hoping to rebuild his political reputation before the country's election in 2013 but officials say he will be arrested if and when he returns.
Today marks one year since that shooting rampage in Tucson, Arizona which left six people dead and 13 injured; among the victims was Congresswoman Gabby Giffords. Incredibly, Giffords survived after a bullet went through her brain.
This is a picture of her on the left before and then the right after. She is now undergoing a long recovery. Now Giffords and her staff held a ceremony in her Tucson office honoring her aide Gabe Zimmerman who was killed.
CNN's Thelma Gutierrez takes a look back at that tragic day.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have breaking news for you.
Several people have been shot. The shooting occurred at a grocery store.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have discovered that we have 18 individuals who were shot.
THELMA GUTIERREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: January 8th, 2011, a day Tucson will never forget. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The bodies laying on the concrete.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The screaming, the crying, the bleeding.
GUTIERREZ: 19 people were shot that day, six of them died. The youngest, 9-year-old Christina Green, was one of many who had gone to the Safeway Store to meet Arizona congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords. Christina was there with her neighbor, Suzie Heilman.
SUZIE HEILMAN, WITNESS: And then -- gunshot.
GUTIERREZ: Christina was shot in the chest.
HEILMAN: I was holding hands with Christina. We were just eyeball to eyeball. She was confused and scared and I knew when we were lying on the ground outside of Safeway, the light went out of her eyes.
GUTIERREZ: As many of the victims lay bleeding in pools of blood, two men wrestled the gunman.
JOE ZAMUDIO, WITNESS: I put my legs on his -- behind his knees and my arm on the back of the small of his back. Another guy was stepping on his neck.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The gunman is in police custody.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He is Jared Lee Loughner, 22 years old.
GUTIERREZ: the scene was chaotic with Sheriff's deputies and civilians trying to triage victims.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Has anybody answered? Did you say Gabrielle Giffords was hurt?
GUTIERREZ: The Congresswoman had been shot in the head. Her intern, Daniel Fernandez, ran to her side and used his bare hands to stop the bleeding.
DANIEL FERNANDEZ, INTERN FOR GABRIELLE GIFFORDS: I couldn't see an exit wound. I didn't know if there was one. All I saw was the entry wound. That's where I was applying the pressure.
GUTIERREZ: In the end it was Hernandez, the paramedics and the trauma team who saved Gabrielle Giffords' life.
DR. PETER RHEE, MEDICAL DIRECTOR, UMC TRAUMA CENTER: Overall this is about as good as it is going to get. When you get shot in the head and a bullet goes through your brain, the chances of you living is very small, but the chances of you waking up and actually following commands.
GUTIERREZ: January 8, 2011 will be remembered as a catastrophic day, one where a year later a community has pulled together to honor the victims and survivors of the deadliest rampage in the city's history. Thelma Gutierrez, CNN, Tucson, Arizona.
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TUCHMAN: Thank you Thelma. It's right now 58 minutes past the hour.
And for much of the country, winter is MIA. Meteorologist Alexandra Steele says that may change. How so, Alexandra?
ALEXANDRA STEELE, AMS METEOROLOGIST: Well, not quite. I mean in the southeast, it's certainly not very winter-like; 60, 70-degree temperatures. We have records yesterday from New York City to Charlotte and in towards South Carolina.
The story here in the southeast, a very foggy morning and kind of sporadic rain showers on and off so you could see some flight delays from Atlanta to Charlotte; again, dense fog advisories until 10:00 this morning.
The story here in the northeast, temperatures slightly cooler than where they have been but still well above average. Also some snow in the mountains of Colorado and New Mexico. The story this week, Gary, the rain moving from Dallas, staying in the southeast and not going too far north, staying in the mid-Atlantic by Wednesday.
TUCHMAN: How unusual is it, Alexandra, here it is January 8th and you're not talking about blizzards anywhere in this country.
STEELE: No. Nowhere. We have just warm Chinook winds in Montana, warm Santa Anas in Southern Cal. We do have a little bit of snow in the Rockies, maybe one to five inches though, from Denver south to New Mexico.
But here New York, records yesterday and still some very warm temperatures, near 70s here in the southeast where it should be in the 50s.
TUCHMAN: Alexandra thank you very much.
STEELE: Thank you Gary.
TUCHMAN: I'm going to go skiing in the mountain.
Thank you very much everybody for watching us this weekend. "STATE OF THE UNION" with Candy Crowley starts right now.
