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Novak Zone: Interview with Museum of American History Curators Larry Bird and Harry Rubenstein

Aired July 31, 2004 - 09:00   ET

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CATHERINE CALLAWAY, CNN ANCHOR: This is CNN SATURDAY MORNING. Hello, everyone. I'm Catherine Callaway.
DREW GRIFFIN, CNN ANCHOR: And I'm Drew griffin. It's 6:00 a.m. on the West Coast, it's 9:00 here in the East. Thanks for starting your day with us.

And here's what we've got coming up for you. Happy trails for everyone. The campaign continues for the Kerry and Bush camps today. Who's where and when, we'll have that for you coming up.

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THOMAS KEAN, 9/11 COMMISSION CHAIRMAN: It is an emergency. There is an enemy out there who is planning, as we meet here, to attack us.

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GRIFFIN: The recommendations have been presented. Now proponents for the 9/11 commission's reform are out to make sure change becomes reality.

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First, here's what's happening now in the news.

CALLAWAY: President Bush arrives next hour in Ohio for his second bus tour there in just three months. He then travels to Pennsylvania for his 31st visit since taking office.

The Democrats' newly minted ticket of John Kerry and John Edwards will cross his path in the two battleground states.

And in Pakistan, a senior cabinet minister says that al Qaeda may be behind a failed assassination attempt on the country's prime minister designate. Eight people were killed in the suicide bomb attack yesterday. Investigators are poring over the evidence, but al Qaeda has been suspected in two previous attempts on the life of Pakistan's president.

The Army Reserve unit at the center of the prisoner abuse scandal in Iraq is to return home on Monday. The Maryland-based 372nd Military Police Company has seen seven of its members charged in abuses at Abu prison. The unit has requested a welcoming ceremony closed to the public.

Keeping you informed, CNN, the most trusted named name in news.

GRIFFIN: President Bush buckling up for a weekend bus tour through two states that could decide his reelection. Mr. Bush is extending the campaign trail that would wound through Missouri and Michigan yesterday. In the next hour, he will arrive in Canton, Ohio.

CNN's Kathleen Koch is traveling with the president by bus and joins us by phone -- Kathleen.

KATHLEEN KOCH, CNN CORRESPONDENT (on phone): Good morning, Drew.

Well, the president is right now making his 19th visit to the state, as you pointed out, headed to the northeast Ohio town of Canton. When the president arrives, he'll be speaking to the first of three campaign rallies he'll be addressing today. We're told they'll be smaller than some of the crowds he spoke to yesterday in Springfield, Missouri, Grand Rapids, Michigan, and then in Cleveland, Ohio.

As you pointed out, Ohio is not only a very important battleground state that Mr. Bush narrowly won in 2000 by just 3 percentage points over Al Gore, but it is a bellwether state. Ohio has voted for the winning presidential candidate in every election but one since 1960.

And we're expecting today to hear some of the same themes that we heard yesterday, President Bush telling rallies that his administration has achieved clear results over the last four years on the economy, education, healthcare, the war on terror. But Mr. Bush telling audiences that there's more to do.

We're expecting to hear him to continue to criticize his opponent, Senator John Kerry's record in Congress for having what Mr. Bush calls few signature accomplishments. Mr. Bush expected to be repeating his insistence that Senator Kerry is a fan of big government and higher taxes.

Now, the president, though, we also expect, will be using his new slogan that he debuted yesterday, saying, quote, "We're turning the corner and we're not turning back."

President Bush just a few minutes made his first of what we expect will be several unscheduled stops along the way on this bus tour. He drops in to visit the Cleveland Browns training camp in Berea, Ohio, threw around the football with some of the players, shook some hands, and now we're on our way to Canton.

Back to you.

GRIFFIN: Thanks, Kathleen, as you travel along with the president there.

And as President Bush focuses on the East with his visits to Ohio and Pennsylvania, Vice President Dick Cheney is out West. He has stops scheduled in Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico.

Meanwhile, the Democrats' newly anointed nominees, John Kerry and John Edwards, are on the road and in search of momentum from their party's big sendoff after Ben Affleck, who was a fixture at the convention in his home town, joined Kerry on the campaign trail.

But it was the heartland, not Hollywood, that is Kerry's focus.

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SEN. JOHN KERRY, DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Just today, we've learned more tough economic news. The growth of our country has slowed to 3 percent. Oil prices are at a record high level. And wages are not keeping up with inflation. In fact, during President Clinton's term, while we balanced the budget and paid down the debt and created 23 million new jobs, the income of Americans went up $7,100 on average over those eight years.

Guess what? In the last four years, the income of Americans has dropped by $1,600, while healthcare has gone up 50 percent, tuitions for college have gone up 35 percent, gasoline has gone up 41 percent.

And John Edwards and I know we can do a better job of being fiscally responsible and putting America back to work.

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GRIFFIN: Today Kerry and Edwards hit Pennsylvania, West Virginia, and Ohio. It's the second day of a bus tour that will blitz 21 states in the next 14 days.

Kerry and Edwards will be our guests tomorrow on CNN's "LATE EDITION WITH WOLF BLITZER." That's at noon Eastern, 9:00 a.m. Pacific.

We want to give you a chance to weigh in on politics this morning. Our e-mail question of the day, Do the political conventions help you decide who to vote for? You can e-mail us with your response at wam@cnn.com, and we'll check some of your responses a little bit later in the show.

CALLAWAY: Time now for a look at some other stories from across America.

A common field one day, a field of honor forever. That's the mission of a national memorial to be built on the land where flight 93 crashed in Pennsylvania on 9/11. About a half hour ago, a task force began meeting in Shanksville to discuss the plans there. Officials want to preserve some 2,200 acres of the site and surrounding areas.

And high winds are feeding a fast-moving wildfire in Washington state. The blaze in the Eastern Cascade foothills has burned four homes there. It's forced the evacuation of about 200 people. Officials say that they don't expect to get the upper hand on that fire anytime soon. And in California, police are looking for whoever stabbed a man in singer John Ondrasik's home in the San Fernando Valley. Police believe that the attacker crawled in through a dog door, slashed his caretaker 13 times over his face, back, and torso. They're treating it as a possible burglary and attempted murder. The singer wasn't there at the time of the attack.

GRIFFIN: Updating the news from Iraq, the head of a state-run school for teachers was killed in a shooting the police are now calling an assassination. The man was shot by masked gunmen in two cars as he walked home from a mosque south of Baghdad. Police say the educator had been warned by militants to stop cooperating with the new Iraqi interim government.

And talks are under way in Iraq to negotiate the release of seven truck drivers being held hostage. An Iraqi mediator is meeting with the representative of the Kuwaiti trucking company that employs these men. The kidnappers have threatened to kill the men unless the company stops doing business in Iraq.

Iraq's new government giving a glimpse of what life is like behind bars for Saddam Hussein. The former Iraqi dictator is well fed, in relatively good health, and living a very humane existence.

CNN's John Voss has more.

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JOHN VOSS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Oh, how life has changed, from the marbled opulence of almost 50 palaces with their manmade lakes, crystal chandeliers, and gold-plated plumbing. Saddam Hussein is one of 96 prisoners in a high-security Baghdad jail.

BAKHTIAR AMIN, IRAQ HUMAN RIGHTS MINISTER: He's in a three-by- four meters room. It's white, tiled floor, with a 100-volt bulb lamp.

VOSS: But as the summer here hits 120 Fahrenheit, Saddam's cell is air conditioned, a luxury not enjoyed by most Iraqis. He showers twice a week but can get a shampoo and a haircut whenever he wants.

And the man who drained Iraq's marshland, causing the greatest manmade environmental disaster on the planet, according to the U.N., now cares for a little tree in the yard outside his cell.

AMIN: He goes out of his cell three hours per day.

VOSS: In the eight months since he was caught, Saddam has lost 11 pounds. But recently he's gained a little weight, maybe because of a liking for muffins and cookies. And the man who once led the secular Ba'ath Party now regularly reads the Koran.

AMIN: And that's a sign, one can say, more of fear, because he's not a real believer. He's an infidel.

VOSS: For the tens of thousands who suffered at the hands of the Iraqi dictator, like Karim Ibrahim Isaa, who spent three years locked away and tortured in the infamous Abu Ghraib prison, Saddam's life behind bars seems like another grave injustice.

KARIM IBRAHIM ISAA, FORMER PRISONER (through translator): A prisoner who gets a tree, a doctor, and a barber is not a prisoner. He is leading a normal life.

VOSS: But Saddam's life of relative ease and comfort may be coming to an end. He's facing the death penalty, charged with crimes against humanity. And many Iraqis want him dead sooner rather than later.

John Voss, CNN, Baghdad.

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CALLAWAY: The U.N. issues an ultimatum to the government of Sudan. A Security Council resolution threatens sanctions if Sudan doesn't stop atrocities in the Darfur region in 30 days. It's estimated militias have killed 30,000 civilians and left more than a million homeless. Sudan rejects that U.N. action as misguided.

And still ahead, the final recommendations of the 9/11 commission are in, as you know, but the job certainly isn't finished. We're going to talk about the all-out effort to make the suggested changes to avoid another potential attack.

GRIFFIN: And class right around the corner for schoolkids. But for this rockin' bunch, it's never stopped. We're going to tell you why.

ARCH KENNEDY, CNN METEOROLOGIST: Arch Kennedy in the CNN Weather Center. A wet day for most of the East. And we want to say good morning to Dallas, this morning starting out mostly cloudy for you, temperatures in the mid-70s, but you're going to see highs in the mid- 90s before your weekend afternoon is all said and done.

We'll take a look at your complete national forecast coming up.

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CALLAWAY: If you didn't have time to keep up with the news this week, we can help you out by rewinding some major highlights of the past six days for you.

Amid tight security, Democrats convened in Boston for their 2004 presidential nominating convention. Stronger at home, respected in the world was the theme for the four days. John Kerry capped the week off on Thursday night, accepting his party's nomination to run for president.

And on Wednesday, citing dangerous conditions, the international aid organization Doctors Without Borders pulled out of Afghanistan. Five of its workers were killed by the Taliban earlier this year, but the government failed to catch and prosecute the attackers. Doctors Without Borders had been operating in Afghanistan for 24 years.

And on Friday, a Senate committee opened its first hearing on the 9/11 commission reports. Commission members are hitting the road next week trying to build some support around the country for the recommended reforms in the nation's intelligence structure.

And tomorrow, we will fast forward to the week ahead and tell you which stories will grab the spotlight.

GRIFFIN: And right now, we're going to toss to Arch Kennedy in the Weather Center to see what's happening around the nation. Arch?

CALLAWAY: Good morning, Arch.

KENNEDY: Good morning to both of you.

We are starting off with some wet weather across the East. And we're talking about the Ohio Valley down to the Tennessee Valley. Some heavier rains coming down. This is all in association with a cold front. But some of our main big cities up here toward the Northeast like Philly and New York, Boston, you are dry. And I think most of your rain will come in little later this evening.

But it is wet day for you into Pittsburgh as you head around Cincinnati and into Louisville.

Now, and zoom in a little closer here, you can see that strong line. Here's Pittsburgh. A lot of that heavier rain is continuing right ahead of that frontal boundary, so it's going to be a wet start for your weekend here.

Now, we have another big topic. The tropics are getting a little active now, and we're watching one system, a broad area of low pressure. It is about 175 miles off the coast of north Florida. Now, an aircraft reconnaissance plane is expected to go into this just later this morning over the next couple of hours, and we're going to get some more information on this. But in the meantime, it's starting to churn in moisture just off the coast of the Carolinas and it's continuing a northwest trek.

So we'll watch this, and even if it doesn't develop, it's going to impact your weather across the Carolinas' coastline for later today.

Now, currently we're looking at 78 for you into New York City, 66 in St. Louis, 73 in Dallas, where you'll see some heat index values nearing the triple digits this afternoon. But 62 in Denver, now 56 for you in Seattle.

Well, the wet weather will be along this front across the East. And we're talking about some flood watch, flood watches for parts of New York state for today, as we're going to see easy an inch and a half of rain in just an hour's time. So some areas going to see some localized flooding at times.

But in the meantime, as you get back to Dallas and up to Kansas City, should be a dry day. Chicago, you should be mostly sunny. We're going to see some very warm conditions from the south central parts to the desert Southwest. Phoenix today, you'll be very warm, and even warm getting into places like Portland, Oregon.

We'll have another look at your weather in just about 30 minutes from now.

GRIFFIN: All right, Arch. Thank you.

We're going to check the headlines now on this morning.

The Bush campaign is on the road to Ohio and Pennsylvania. President Bush's bus tour of the Buckeye State, his second in three months. He heads later to Pennsylvania.

The Democratic duo of Kerry and Edwards are also on the road and in search of momentum after their party's convention. Kerry and Edwards are on the second day of a bus tour that will blitz 21 states in 14 days, and today they hit Pennsylvania, West Virginia, and Ohio.

And we'll be back right after this.

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CALLAWAY: The 9/11 commission is sounding the alarm about America's intelligence failures. Commission members will spend about three weeks on the road, calling attention to their recommendations and pressing the government to make changes.

CNN's Ed Henry has more.

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ED HENRY, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): At a rare summer hearing, the leaders of the 9/11 commission sounded the alarm for sweeping intelligence reform.

THOMAS KEAN, 9/11 COMMISSION CHAIRMAN: It is an emergency. There is an enemy out there who is planning, as we meet here, to attack us.

LEE HAMILTON, 9/11 COMMISSION VICE CHAIRMAN: We find a desire to move ahead, but the whole government just is not acting with the urgency we think is required across the board.

HENRY: Kean and Hamilton made the case that intelligence agencies failed to stop 9/11 because, as they put it, there was no quarterback calling the plays.

Three years later, they said, nothing has changed.

HAMILTON: We have concluded that the intelligence community is not going to get its job done unless somebody is really in charge. That is just not the case now. And we paid the price.

HENRY: They urged senators to create a director of all national intelligence and a national counterterrorism center to coordinate the 15 separate spy agencies. But a key Democrat questioned whether moving that director into the White House could make the process more vulnerable to political pressure.

SEN. CARL LEVIN (D), MICHIGAN: How does putting the director even closer to the policy maker do anything other than to make this problem even a -- more difficult?

HENRY: As top Bush officials met again to consider what commission recommendations the president could implement quickly, Republican Susan Collins tried to slow mounting pressure on Congress.

SEN. SUSAN COLLINS (D-ME), GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN: We must act with speed but not in haste. We must be bold, but we cannot be reckless.

HENRY: But one Democrat suggested delay would be a mistake.

SEN. TOM CARPER (D), DELAWARE: Carpe diem -- it's the only Latin I know -- seize the day. And there's something to be said for seizing the day, particularly when it's so hard to get anything done around here.

KEAN: I hope carpe diem is the right way to go, seize the day. But seize the day, as this body always does, with deliberate speed and with due deliberation.

HENRY (on camera): And starting next week, 9/11 commissioners are going to hit the road, barnstorming the nation to drum up support for their reform proposals. They want to keep the heat on the Congress and the president.

Ed Henry, CNN, Washington.

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CALLAWAY: And relatives of 9/11 victims plan to keep a spotlight trained on the commission's reform proposals as well. One of those victims was 39-year-old Ronald Breitweiser. He was in the second tower that day in September. And his widow, Kristen, is co-chair of the September 11 Advocates. She's s joining us now from New York.

Thanks for being with us this morning.

KRISTEN BREITWEISER, SEPTEMBER 11 ADVOCATES: Thanks for inviting me.

CALLAWAY: You had to cringe a little bit, I'm sure, in Ed's report, when you heard acting quickly, acting with speed. It's almost three years.

BREITWEISER: I think you're exactly right. I think we need to be careful. We don't want to rush into these recommendations. We want to have a thoughtful process involved.

Nevertheless, it's unfortunate that three years since September 11, very little has been done from what could have been done, and we didn't have to be in this position where we have a nation who will have access to this report, will read how utterly dysfunctional our intel community and our ability to defend ourselves against terrorists is.

And that public pressure is certainly going to look to Congress and the president and say, What are you doing? And I think if they had just acted in the last three years to address some of these issues, we would not be in such a race against the clock right now.

CALLAWAY: And Kristen, what do you think of the commission's plans now to take their proposals to the road? Is this really going to help?

BREITWEISER: I think undoubtedly it's going to help. I think the most important thing now is for every American citizen to pick up a copy of this book and read it cover to cover. And I think with the commissioners going across country and the family members getting the word out to our loved ones and our friends across the country, we will have the American public invited into this process, staying engaged, and staying on top of these vital issues that need to be addressed.

CALLAWAY: Are you helped or hurt by the fact that this is an election year?

BREITWEISER: You know, I think that it's obviously helpful, because there is more of an intuned nature to these issues. Obviously, certain people that are up for election know that their constituents will read this report and will say, What have you done since September 12, 2001, to address these issues?

And I think it needs to be pointed out that we had a decade, more than a decade, where these issues were left unaddressed. Al Qaeda grew and got stronger. And then we had September 11.

And, really, what's even more aggravating is since September 11, the families were fighting for this commission. We were fighting for access. We were fighting for these issues to be addressed by Congress. And we had the joint inquiry of Congress's final report coming out in December 2002. And very little was done with that report's recommendations. That's frustrating for us.

CALLAWAY: There have been a litany of recommendations, and certainly out of this report perhaps the most important, the national intelligence director, national intelligence center, tougher congressional oversight. Quickly, of all of those major recommendations, which do you think would be the most important?

BREITWEISER: I think the one that's the most important is probably the one that has the most likelihood of getting passed with the most sound judgment. And that is, frankly, up to Congress and the president to determine what they deem the most important. And I would encourage them to work cooperatively with the families, with the commissioners, to prove to the American people that we are taking this seriously, we are showing evidence.

And I think the American people will see that in the final results. The proof will be in the pudding.

CALLAWAY: And Kristen, quickly, what do you plan to do, what does your organization plan to do to stay on issue to make sure that you see what you want done come to light?

BREITWEISER: If we are invited to testify, we will testify at the hearings. We will stay involved with the language of the legislation that will be created, and we will be getting a grassroots effort together. We will be posting information on our Web site as to how Congress is moving on this issue, who is cooperating, who is not.

And it's our opinion that we have to get the public involved in this. We must engage the public so that their voices can be heard, because that's what democracy is all about.

CALLAWAY: All right, Kristen, Kristen Breitweiser, I'm sure we'll see more of you in the coming year.

BREITWEISER: I hope so.

CALLAWAY: Thanks.

BREITWEISER: Bye-bye.

GRIFFIN: Rummaging through all that garbage at the Democratic convention, curators are there from the Smithsonian. Stopping by The Novak Zone this week, find out which convention elements will become keepsakes. That's ahead on CNN SATURDAY MORNING.

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CALLAWAY: could the nation's capital be prime for the national pastime? Well, some think so.

GRIFFIN: Welcome back to you. That story coming up.

First, the headlines at this hour.

Talks begin today in Iraq to win the release of seven truck drivers being held hostage, the discussions between a representative of the kidnappers and the Kuwaiti trucking company where the hostages worked. The truck drivers kidnapped last week.

Secretary of State Colin Powell is making stops in Kuwait and Bosnia today as part of his tour of the Mideast and Europe. It follows his unannounced visit to Baghdad yesterday.

And gunmen abducted three English teachers in the West Bank town of Nablus. Palestinian authorities say the teachers were released unharmed two hours later. The three are said to be American, Irish, and Finnish.

Keeping you informed, CNN, the most trusted name in news.

CALLAWAY: It is said that one man's junk is another man's treasure. Curators from the nation's attic, the Smithsonian Institution, of course, traveled to the Democratic convention this week, and they join CNN's Bob Novak in The Novak Zone.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) ROBERT NOVAK, HOST: Welcome to The Novak Zone.

We're at the Fleet Center in Boston, Massachusetts, site of the Democratic National Convention. Our guests are two curators from the Museum of American History in Washington, D.C., Larry Bird and Harry Rubenstein.

You gentlemen go from convention to convention, looking for artifacts, for memorabilia. What are you looking for specifically, Mr. Rubenstein?

HARRY RUBENSTEIN, MUSEUM OF AMERICAN HISTORY: Well, basically, what we're here trying to do is document the political process. And, you know, most of this material is here today, and then it just disappears. And so what we've found over the years is that we really need to be here to just sort of preserve those items that document and represent the process that's taking place.

NOVAK: How do you -- what, do you just roam the floor after they adjourn and pick up stuff they leave?

LARRY BIRD, MUSEUM OF AMERICAN HISTORY: Well, that's one way you could do it. But what we're really looking for are three things. We're looking for material, of course, but that represents the social part of the convention, the political part, the message part, and then the overall media spectacle that we're a part of. So that's what we're looking for.

RUBENSTEIN: And what we do is, we talk to people, is largely what we do.

BIRD: Right.

RUBENSTEIN: You know, we talk to the delegates. We talk to people who are working the convention, either on the floor or behind the scenes. And we sort of see what they find as interesting and important to them.

NOVAK: What do you find worth collecting and shipping back to the museum? What kind of thing? Give me an example.

BIRD: Well, in terms of the social aspect of the convention, you know, you would -- you know, the delegate hat is probably the quintessential convention object that you see here. And that shows, you know, evidence of activism and engagement on the part of the person who made it, as opposed to the things that are just given to the delegates to hand out and hold up. That's sort of the media staging part of the convention.

NOVAK: Mr. Rubenstein, the first campaign that the buttons were used was 1896, William Jennings Bryan versus William McKinley. Contrary to what some people think, I did not cover that election. But I do have campaign buttons from 1932, Roosevelt versus Hoover. I was 1 year old then. Have, have -- but I get a feeling that campaign buttons are not as prevalent or as important an artifact as they were 20, 30 years ago. Is that right? RUBENSTEIN: You know, it's interesting. I have a feeling that there's an example of almost every form of media that was ever used in a campaign that's still represented on the delegate today, whether it's an old ribbon, a button. And people just keep adding onto it. So in some senses, I think that the T-shirt is beginning to replace the button as the standard form of communication.

NOVAK: Mr. Bird, what kind of changes have you seen in the last 20, 25 years in campaign memorabilia and artifacts?

BIRD: Well, you know, as a curator, it's a -- excuse me. It's kind of a challenge because increasingly the budgets in the campaigns are geared toward television and radio and now, by (UNINTELLIGIBLE), Internet, you know.

But it's mostly television still. So if you're a campaign manager and you have, say, $10,000, where will you spend that? Used to be, you know, in the '30s, '40s, '50s, and even in the '60s, you would spend money on buttons to create a mass effect. You know, you would rather see 10,000 people wearing a button than 10,000 watching a television commercial.

NOVAK: Do you think, Mr. Rubenstein, that it's changed the way candidates are, this kind of change that Mr. Bird was talking about?

RUBENSTEIN: Well, in some ways, I think that, you know, there's two different things taking place here. You know, one is trying to get a candidate elected, and so they're creating material for that purpose. I think a lot of the sort of memorabilia that we're most interested in is really about party building, long-term loyalty, personal identification, which often seems to get lost in this process of trying to elect candidates. I think that's one of the major shifts that's taking place.

NOVAK: Mr. Bird, your museum, the -- in Washington, the Museum of American History, has got a new exhibit called the machinery (UNINTELLIGIBLE), The Machinery of Democracy. Can you tell us a little about that, how many items there are in it, and so on?

BIRD: Well, there are about 40 artifacts in that include everything from the Palm Beach County butterfly ballot to a standard gear-and-lever voting machine, and some of the newer electronic machines that are out today.

I mean, the idea for the show to -- occurred, you know, to me after the Florida recount, you know, in 2000, which was basically, you know, for a month -- it was almost an extension of the campaign. But we have things like Judge Rosenburg's magnifying glass that he used to count, you know, using it as an umpire, basically, to call balls and strikes, that sort of thing. But it runs the gamut from, you know, the classic paper ballots to the most complex machines that we used today.

NOVAK: Mr. Rubenstein, the, as you know, the, in sports, the secondary market in memorabilia is very big, somebody's glove or somebody's autograph. Are some of the political junkies thinking that maybe if they pick up something here, it will be worth money someday? And will it be worth money someday?

RUBENSTEIN: You know, we've been noticing this over the years, is, there's more and more people after the convention saving stuff, hoarding it. I'm not sure whether they're all planning on selling this on eBay immediately, or saving it over the years.

I think the most expressive things in future generations obviously tend to be the more valuable. And so there is this market. What we're interested in, of course, is the historical value and less the monetary.

NOVAK: But you think it (UNINTELLIGIBLE)...

RUBENSTEIN: It's worth saving...

NOVAK: ... (UNINTELLIGIBLE)...

RUBENSTEIN: ... your buttons, though, over the years.

NOVAK: Save your -- yes, save your buttons. I'll save my Landon button, all right?

RUBENSTEIN: Yes, absolutely.

NOVAK: OK.

And now the big question for Larry Bird and Harry Rubenstein.

Gentlemen, in your course of searching for political memorabilia, what's your favorite piece of memorabilia? You can go first, Mr. Bird.

BIRD: Boy, you know, I don't have one single thing that I could think of. In terms of the latest show, I would have to say it was Judge Rosenburg's magnifying glass. But, you know, maybe that's just a current example.

NOVAK: Mr. Rubenstein?

RUBENSTEIN: You know, this is a question we get all the time, and I think we stumble over all the time.

BIRD: That's true.

RUBENSTEIN: And, you know, for me, the thing that's really my favorite object is when -- you know, it changes all the time. It's when that political active individual gives us something that they really can't part with, but really feel that they're making a contribution to save it for the Smithsonian. That becomes our favorite object for the moment. And it changes with each new gift.

NOVAK: Larry Bird, Harry Rubenstein, thank very much.

RUBENSTEIN: Thank you.

BIRD: Thank you. NOVAK: And thank you for being in The Novak Zone.

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GRIFFIN: And who says kids don't like school? You would if you were in this rockin' class.

Also to tell about Mike Tyson. He was just plain rocked. We'll see what happened to this guy last night. We're going to show you when we return.

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GRIFFIN: Within a couple of weeks, major league baseball will likely put the long-suffering Montreal Expos out of their misery. One city hoping to give the franchise a more loving home is Washington, a city deprived of baseball for more than 30 years.

CNN's Sean Callebs is at the Smithsonian Institute in Washington, and its baseball Bash exhibit. This going to happen, Sean?

SEAN CALLEBS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, if you talk to a lot of people here, they firmly believe it's going to happen. But they've had their hopes built up before only to see them dashed at the last moment.

If you do live in D.C. right now, this is about as close to professional baseball as you're going to get. This is an exhibit, it's called Going to Bat for America. Really talks about baseball during a time of war, everything from a lithograph down here of the Civil War, Union soldiers playing in a Confederate camp, to -- See that baseball up there? That is something that in during World War II, that was a fan got that at the Polo Grounds, then donated it. It was stamped, and it went to a soldier overseas.

But everybody right now in D.C. talking about baseball in the future. There is a decent chance that perhaps as early as next year, major league baseball will come to the Washington, D.C., area, either to D.C. or northern Virginia. It's one of a number of cities competing for the Expos. A lot made about just what kind of financial boon it could mean to this region, but also just the pride of having major league baseball back.

They lost the Senators back in 1971. Lovable losers, those Senators were. Great Ted Williams coaching this team at one point.

But a big push to bring it back here.

But we know that people come to major league baseball games not just to watch the action but also for the cuisine. And guys, down here for you we have some dogs that are sold across the nation. This one, a Texas dog, Texas corn dog. This, my personal favorite, the Chicago red hot. Then you have a Cincinnati cheese cony (ph), then the Milwaukee brat (ph), and on the far end, New York deli, complete with onions, sauerkraut, everything else, but no calories in any of these. Joining us now, Richard Hetzler. He is the executive chef here at the Smithsonian Natural History Museum.

Now, you sell these out here. What do people say about coming and being able to buy fare you can get at a baseball game?

RICHARD HETZLER, EXECUTIVE CHEF: I think the whole point of it was to kind of bring, you know, some of the exhibit down into the cafe. It's been a huge response. We've gotten tons of response from all the different hot dogs. People actually come in from, you know, Cincinnati, and they get to taste the chili and get to see, Wow, this is just like what I get at the stadium where I'm from, or they get a red hot and they say, Wow, you know, this is amazing that I can come here and get the (UNINTELLIGIBLE) the taste of home from where I'm from.

CALLEBS: Now, if D.C. gets a baseball team, what kind of hot dog could you envision the 5 million citizens in this area enjoying?

HETZLER: I think it would be something similar to a red hot. I think, you know, they like something that's going to have all kinds of different textures brought to it, I think it's going to be a natural- casing hot dog, so you get a crisp bite out of it. They're going to like that saltiness.

CALLEBS: Just one more reason for major league baseball to come to this area. Richard, thanks very much. We'll head down later and sample some of these.

Now, Drew, I know you come from the Los Angeles area. No Dodger dogs here, but got to ask you, out of all of these, which one do you think you would go for?

GRIFFIN: You know, I grew up in Chicago. That red hot with those banana peppers, little kraut, that's my dog.

CALLEBS: And I got to apologize to Catherine, no Braves dog here either, but we'll ship her a couple of corn dogs (UNINTELLIGIBLE).

GRIFFIN: And I'm thinking the hot dog in D.C. is going to definitely have pork.

CALLAWAY: Oh, that's (UNINTELLIGIBLE).

CALLEBS: Very good. You know what? I could also answer the earlier question, why not the American Museum, why Natural History? Apparently, one of the directors here, big baseball fan, and this exhibit was at a museum in New York, well, he struck up a relationship with folks there, brought it down here, and we can tell you it is wildly popular down here. People clamoring for major league baseball again.

CALLAWAY: Yes, it was a nice surprise to find that in the Natural History Museum.

CALLEBS: Yes, yes, it was. It was a natural find. GRIFFIN: All right. We go on to other sports news, Sean.

Iron Mike proves once again he's, you know, flesh and bones. And today, a lot of bruises. Former heavyweight champ Mike Tyson returned to the ring after a 17-month absence. He probably should have stayed in retirement. Journeyman Danny Williams knocked him out in the fourth round in a defeat that may have been the last big payday for Iron Mike. Tyson, once one of the most fearsome boxers in the world, was paid $8 million for this knockout. Most of it will go toward paying off his $38 million debt.

CALLAWAY: Got $30 million to go.

Well, from Iron Mike to heavy metal, some teens in Atlanta are literally rocking around the clock.

Here is our Denise Belgrade with the story.

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DENISE BELGRADE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It's summer, and means a mind-boggling choice of summer camps. This year's newest genre reflects the march of time, it's rock and roll camp.

If you're 11 to 18 years old and you can drum up just under $500, then you're good for a full week at Camp Jam Atlanta. Jeff Carlisi (ph), lead guitarist for the group 38 Special, says the camp couldn't have been a reality just 10 years ago.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The parents would have said, you know, My child is not playing rock and roll. Just going to be classically trained, whatever. But now the parents are the rock and roll generation. The parents are my age. They have these records. It's accepted.

BELGRADE: For many of the kids, it's their first opportunity to play with a band or to get professional instruction, or even simply to just be around others who share their passion for rock and roll.

Andy Oastey (ph) wanted to attend the camp so much, she raised half the fees herself. And she says she got more than her money's worth.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This has really helped me with my stage presence, because I've been performing a lot, but I've never had good stage presence, and I've been kind of nervous. And here it's -- I haven't been nervous at all. But (UNINTELLIGIBLE) from around people around my own age, then I just -- I feel comfortable, because I know that, you know, they're going to encourage me no matter what I do.

BELGRADE (on camera): Jeff is starting a new program that he hopes is going to keep all of these bands together over the course of the school year. The new program supports Camp Jam's message, rock and roll is here to stay.

(voice-over): Denise Belgrade, CNN, Atlanta. (END VIDEOTAPE)

CALLAWAY: Good morning, Portland. Look at those blue skies. You know, they're loving that. No rain today. We'll have your complete weather forecast in about five minutes. CNN SATURDAY MORNING continues. Stay with us.

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CALLAWAY: Good morning, Portland. I'll tell you what, the other live shot we had a minute ago, the skies looked a lot bluer. That's Oregon for you. The clouds are moving in. Arch Kennedy will have the forecast for you in just a minute. But first we're going to update the top stories.

In the headlines, Ohio and Pennsylvania are getting a lot of attention from the presidential candidates today. President Bush due to arrive in Canton, Ohio, next hour. And this afternoon, the president's bus tour rolls into Cambridge.

And Democrat John Kerry will also be in Ohio, appearing in Zanesville tonight. This afternoon, he will attend a rally in a suburb of Pittsburgh a few hours before President Bush arrives for a campaign appearance of his own.

GRIFFIN: Next on CNN is "ON THE STORY." From Washington today, it's Barbara Starr hosting the show. Good morning, Barbara.

BARBARA STARR, "ON THE STORY": Good morning to you, Drew.

Well, we're "ON THE STORY" from here in Washington, to Iraq, to the presidential campaign trail. Kelly Wallace will be talking about Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry and the party faithful, ratcheting up the race for the White House. Kathleen Hays is "ON THE STORY" of the economy. Jane Vergy (ph) is "ON THE STORY" of a worsening humanitarian crisis in the Sudan. And I'm "ON THE STORY" of retired Army general Tommy Franks reflecting on his Iraqi war plan, all coming up, all "ON THE STORY."

Drew, Catherine?

CALLAWAY: All right, Barbara, we'll be watching. Thank you very much.

All morning, we've been asking you for your thoughts. Our e-mail question of the day, of course, is, do you think that the conventions make a difference on who you vote for?

And here's what D. from Key Largo says. "Conventions are meant to inspire party members to get fired up and spread the word. But I think they do little to influence anyone. I believe the debates, however, have a great influence on undecided voters."

GRIFFIN: Another Florida e-mail. "They might, if I could stay up late enough to see the main speakers." That's what Joan is writing. "What's up with these 10:00 p.m. speeches? I live in Florida. Most of the lights and TVs are turned off here by 10:00." Boy, that's true.

CALLAWAY: Not in our house. TVs stay on all the time.

Arch Kennedy with us for a last look at the weather this morning.

KENNEDY: Hey, Catherine, hey to you, Drew.

We're looking at some very decent weather for you across parts of the Northwest, from Seattle to Portland. You can see our radar vantage point this morning. Good morning to you, Portland, where you're looking at temperatures in the 50s. And we take a look at a few clouds out there. It's partly cloudy, and temperatures today going to warm into the mid-80s before the day's all said and done. No rain in sight for you.

All right. We head back to the computer and show you, we are watching the tropics. We're going all the way now to the East Coast. And this area of disturbed weather, aircraft reconnaissance going in there this morning to check it out, see if we're going to see any development as it continues a northwest trek. So we'll watch this and keep you posted right here at CNN through the day, if need be.

And we also see plenty of rain moving through the Ohio Valley, heavy rains pushing through Kentucky, into Tennessee, Nashville, and even into northwestern parts of Alabama. That is in association with a cold front. And that's going to produce the wet weather throughout the East today, eventually making it to our major cities like New York and Philadelphia by the evening and overnight hours.

In the meantime, nation's midsection looking pretty dry, a few severe storms in the northern Plains.

CALLAWAY: All right, Arch. Thank you very much.

KENNEDY: Sure thing.

GRIFFIN: Plenty ahead on "CNN SATURDAY" this morning. Up next, it is "ON THE STORY." At 11:00, "PEOPLE IN THE NEWS," today, a look at two Oscar-winning actors, Halle Berry, currently starring as Cat Woman, and Denzel Washington, starring in the remake of "The Manchurian Candidate." And at noon, it's "CNN LIVE SATURDAY." We're going to introduce you to someone who is fresh from covering the Democratic convention and looking forward to starting junior high.

CALLAWAY: Wow.

GRIFFIN: That's at noon.

CALLAWAY: And that's it for us on CNN SATURDAY MORNING. We will be back tomorrow morning, so see you then.

GRIFFIN: Have a good day.

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And here's what we've got coming up for you. Happy trails for everyone. The campaign continues for the Kerry and Bush camps today. Who's where and when, we'll have that for you coming up.

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THOMAS KEAN, 9/11 COMMISSION CHAIRMAN: It is an emergency. There is an enemy out there who is planning, as we meet here, to attack us.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRIFFIN: The recommendations have been presented. Now proponents for the 9/11 commission's reform are out to make sure change becomes reality.

Rock and roll 101, a real-life school of rock.

First, here's what's happening now in the news.

CALLAWAY: President Bush arrives next hour in Ohio for his second bus tour there in just three months. He then travels to Pennsylvania for his 31st visit since taking office.

The Democrats' newly minted ticket of John Kerry and John Edwards will cross his path in the two battleground states.

And in Pakistan, a senior cabinet minister says that al Qaeda may be behind a failed assassination attempt on the country's prime minister designate. Eight people were killed in the suicide bomb attack yesterday. Investigators are poring over the evidence, but al Qaeda has been suspected in two previous attempts on the life of Pakistan's president.

The Army Reserve unit at the center of the prisoner abuse scandal in Iraq is to return home on Monday. The Maryland-based 372nd Military Police Company has seen seven of its members charged in abuses at Abu prison. The unit has requested a welcoming ceremony closed to the public.

Keeping you informed, CNN, the most trusted named name in news.

GRIFFIN: President Bush buckling up for a weekend bus tour through two states that could decide his reelection. Mr. Bush is extending the campaign trail that would wound through Missouri and Michigan yesterday. In the next hour, he will arrive in Canton, Ohio.

CNN's Kathleen Koch is traveling with the president by bus and joins us by phone -- Kathleen.

KATHLEEN KOCH, CNN CORRESPONDENT (on phone): Good morning, Drew.

Well, the president is right now making his 19th visit to the state, as you pointed out, headed to the northeast Ohio town of Canton. When the president arrives, he'll be speaking to the first of three campaign rallies he'll be addressing today. We're told they'll be smaller than some of the crowds he spoke to yesterday in Springfield, Missouri, Grand Rapids, Michigan, and then in Cleveland, Ohio.

As you pointed out, Ohio is not only a very important battleground state that Mr. Bush narrowly won in 2000 by just 3 percentage points over Al Gore, but it is a bellwether state. Ohio has voted for the winning presidential candidate in every election but one since 1960.

And we're expecting today to hear some of the same themes that we heard yesterday, President Bush telling rallies that his administration has achieved clear results over the last four years on the economy, education, healthcare, the war on terror. But Mr. Bush telling audiences that there's more to do.

We're expecting to hear him to continue to criticize his opponent, Senator John Kerry's record in Congress for having what Mr. Bush calls few signature accomplishments. Mr. Bush expected to be repeating his insistence that Senator Kerry is a fan of big government and higher taxes.

Now, the president, though, we also expect, will be using his new slogan that he debuted yesterday, saying, quote, "We're turning the corner and we're not turning back."

President Bush just a few minutes made his first of what we expect will be several unscheduled stops along the way on this bus tour. He drops in to visit the Cleveland Browns training camp in Berea, Ohio, threw around the football with some of the players, shook some hands, and now we're on our way to Canton.

Back to you.

GRIFFIN: Thanks, Kathleen, as you travel along with the president there.

And as President Bush focuses on the East with his visits to Ohio and Pennsylvania, Vice President Dick Cheney is out West. He has stops scheduled in Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico.

Meanwhile, the Democrats' newly anointed nominees, John Kerry and John Edwards, are on the road and in search of momentum from their party's big sendoff after Ben Affleck, who was a fixture at the convention in his home town, joined Kerry on the campaign trail.

But it was the heartland, not Hollywood, that is Kerry's focus.

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SEN. JOHN KERRY, DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Just today, we've learned more tough economic news. The growth of our country has slowed to 3 percent. Oil prices are at a record high level. And wages are not keeping up with inflation. In fact, during President Clinton's term, while we balanced the budget and paid down the debt and created 23 million new jobs, the income of Americans went up $7,100 on average over those eight years.

Guess what? In the last four years, the income of Americans has dropped by $1,600, while healthcare has gone up 50 percent, tuitions for college have gone up 35 percent, gasoline has gone up 41 percent.

And John Edwards and I know we can do a better job of being fiscally responsible and putting America back to work.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRIFFIN: Today Kerry and Edwards hit Pennsylvania, West Virginia, and Ohio. It's the second day of a bus tour that will blitz 21 states in the next 14 days.

Kerry and Edwards will be our guests tomorrow on CNN's "LATE EDITION WITH WOLF BLITZER." That's at noon Eastern, 9:00 a.m. Pacific.

We want to give you a chance to weigh in on politics this morning. Our e-mail question of the day, Do the political conventions help you decide who to vote for? You can e-mail us with your response at wam@cnn.com, and we'll check some of your responses a little bit later in the show.

CALLAWAY: Time now for a look at some other stories from across America.

A common field one day, a field of honor forever. That's the mission of a national memorial to be built on the land where flight 93 crashed in Pennsylvania on 9/11. About a half hour ago, a task force began meeting in Shanksville to discuss the plans there. Officials want to preserve some 2,200 acres of the site and surrounding areas.

And high winds are feeding a fast-moving wildfire in Washington state. The blaze in the Eastern Cascade foothills has burned four homes there. It's forced the evacuation of about 200 people. Officials say that they don't expect to get the upper hand on that fire anytime soon. And in California, police are looking for whoever stabbed a man in singer John Ondrasik's home in the San Fernando Valley. Police believe that the attacker crawled in through a dog door, slashed his caretaker 13 times over his face, back, and torso. They're treating it as a possible burglary and attempted murder. The singer wasn't there at the time of the attack.

GRIFFIN: Updating the news from Iraq, the head of a state-run school for teachers was killed in a shooting the police are now calling an assassination. The man was shot by masked gunmen in two cars as he walked home from a mosque south of Baghdad. Police say the educator had been warned by militants to stop cooperating with the new Iraqi interim government.

And talks are under way in Iraq to negotiate the release of seven truck drivers being held hostage. An Iraqi mediator is meeting with the representative of the Kuwaiti trucking company that employs these men. The kidnappers have threatened to kill the men unless the company stops doing business in Iraq.

Iraq's new government giving a glimpse of what life is like behind bars for Saddam Hussein. The former Iraqi dictator is well fed, in relatively good health, and living a very humane existence.

CNN's John Voss has more.

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JOHN VOSS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Oh, how life has changed, from the marbled opulence of almost 50 palaces with their manmade lakes, crystal chandeliers, and gold-plated plumbing. Saddam Hussein is one of 96 prisoners in a high-security Baghdad jail.

BAKHTIAR AMIN, IRAQ HUMAN RIGHTS MINISTER: He's in a three-by- four meters room. It's white, tiled floor, with a 100-volt bulb lamp.

VOSS: But as the summer here hits 120 Fahrenheit, Saddam's cell is air conditioned, a luxury not enjoyed by most Iraqis. He showers twice a week but can get a shampoo and a haircut whenever he wants.

And the man who drained Iraq's marshland, causing the greatest manmade environmental disaster on the planet, according to the U.N., now cares for a little tree in the yard outside his cell.

AMIN: He goes out of his cell three hours per day.

VOSS: In the eight months since he was caught, Saddam has lost 11 pounds. But recently he's gained a little weight, maybe because of a liking for muffins and cookies. And the man who once led the secular Ba'ath Party now regularly reads the Koran.

AMIN: And that's a sign, one can say, more of fear, because he's not a real believer. He's an infidel.

VOSS: For the tens of thousands who suffered at the hands of the Iraqi dictator, like Karim Ibrahim Isaa, who spent three years locked away and tortured in the infamous Abu Ghraib prison, Saddam's life behind bars seems like another grave injustice.

KARIM IBRAHIM ISAA, FORMER PRISONER (through translator): A prisoner who gets a tree, a doctor, and a barber is not a prisoner. He is leading a normal life.

VOSS: But Saddam's life of relative ease and comfort may be coming to an end. He's facing the death penalty, charged with crimes against humanity. And many Iraqis want him dead sooner rather than later.

John Voss, CNN, Baghdad.

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CALLAWAY: The U.N. issues an ultimatum to the government of Sudan. A Security Council resolution threatens sanctions if Sudan doesn't stop atrocities in the Darfur region in 30 days. It's estimated militias have killed 30,000 civilians and left more than a million homeless. Sudan rejects that U.N. action as misguided.

And still ahead, the final recommendations of the 9/11 commission are in, as you know, but the job certainly isn't finished. We're going to talk about the all-out effort to make the suggested changes to avoid another potential attack.

GRIFFIN: And class right around the corner for schoolkids. But for this rockin' bunch, it's never stopped. We're going to tell you why.

ARCH KENNEDY, CNN METEOROLOGIST: Arch Kennedy in the CNN Weather Center. A wet day for most of the East. And we want to say good morning to Dallas, this morning starting out mostly cloudy for you, temperatures in the mid-70s, but you're going to see highs in the mid- 90s before your weekend afternoon is all said and done.

We'll take a look at your complete national forecast coming up.

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CALLAWAY: If you didn't have time to keep up with the news this week, we can help you out by rewinding some major highlights of the past six days for you.

Amid tight security, Democrats convened in Boston for their 2004 presidential nominating convention. Stronger at home, respected in the world was the theme for the four days. John Kerry capped the week off on Thursday night, accepting his party's nomination to run for president.

And on Wednesday, citing dangerous conditions, the international aid organization Doctors Without Borders pulled out of Afghanistan. Five of its workers were killed by the Taliban earlier this year, but the government failed to catch and prosecute the attackers. Doctors Without Borders had been operating in Afghanistan for 24 years.

And on Friday, a Senate committee opened its first hearing on the 9/11 commission reports. Commission members are hitting the road next week trying to build some support around the country for the recommended reforms in the nation's intelligence structure.

And tomorrow, we will fast forward to the week ahead and tell you which stories will grab the spotlight.

GRIFFIN: And right now, we're going to toss to Arch Kennedy in the Weather Center to see what's happening around the nation. Arch?

CALLAWAY: Good morning, Arch.

KENNEDY: Good morning to both of you.

We are starting off with some wet weather across the East. And we're talking about the Ohio Valley down to the Tennessee Valley. Some heavier rains coming down. This is all in association with a cold front. But some of our main big cities up here toward the Northeast like Philly and New York, Boston, you are dry. And I think most of your rain will come in little later this evening.

But it is wet day for you into Pittsburgh as you head around Cincinnati and into Louisville.

Now, and zoom in a little closer here, you can see that strong line. Here's Pittsburgh. A lot of that heavier rain is continuing right ahead of that frontal boundary, so it's going to be a wet start for your weekend here.

Now, we have another big topic. The tropics are getting a little active now, and we're watching one system, a broad area of low pressure. It is about 175 miles off the coast of north Florida. Now, an aircraft reconnaissance plane is expected to go into this just later this morning over the next couple of hours, and we're going to get some more information on this. But in the meantime, it's starting to churn in moisture just off the coast of the Carolinas and it's continuing a northwest trek.

So we'll watch this, and even if it doesn't develop, it's going to impact your weather across the Carolinas' coastline for later today.

Now, currently we're looking at 78 for you into New York City, 66 in St. Louis, 73 in Dallas, where you'll see some heat index values nearing the triple digits this afternoon. But 62 in Denver, now 56 for you in Seattle.

Well, the wet weather will be along this front across the East. And we're talking about some flood watch, flood watches for parts of New York state for today, as we're going to see easy an inch and a half of rain in just an hour's time. So some areas going to see some localized flooding at times.

But in the meantime, as you get back to Dallas and up to Kansas City, should be a dry day. Chicago, you should be mostly sunny. We're going to see some very warm conditions from the south central parts to the desert Southwest. Phoenix today, you'll be very warm, and even warm getting into places like Portland, Oregon.

We'll have another look at your weather in just about 30 minutes from now.

GRIFFIN: All right, Arch. Thank you.

We're going to check the headlines now on this morning.

The Bush campaign is on the road to Ohio and Pennsylvania. President Bush's bus tour of the Buckeye State, his second in three months. He heads later to Pennsylvania.

The Democratic duo of Kerry and Edwards are also on the road and in search of momentum after their party's convention. Kerry and Edwards are on the second day of a bus tour that will blitz 21 states in 14 days, and today they hit Pennsylvania, West Virginia, and Ohio.

And we'll be back right after this.

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CALLAWAY: The 9/11 commission is sounding the alarm about America's intelligence failures. Commission members will spend about three weeks on the road, calling attention to their recommendations and pressing the government to make changes.

CNN's Ed Henry has more.

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ED HENRY, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): At a rare summer hearing, the leaders of the 9/11 commission sounded the alarm for sweeping intelligence reform.

THOMAS KEAN, 9/11 COMMISSION CHAIRMAN: It is an emergency. There is an enemy out there who is planning, as we meet here, to attack us.

LEE HAMILTON, 9/11 COMMISSION VICE CHAIRMAN: We find a desire to move ahead, but the whole government just is not acting with the urgency we think is required across the board.

HENRY: Kean and Hamilton made the case that intelligence agencies failed to stop 9/11 because, as they put it, there was no quarterback calling the plays.

Three years later, they said, nothing has changed.

HAMILTON: We have concluded that the intelligence community is not going to get its job done unless somebody is really in charge. That is just not the case now. And we paid the price.

HENRY: They urged senators to create a director of all national intelligence and a national counterterrorism center to coordinate the 15 separate spy agencies. But a key Democrat questioned whether moving that director into the White House could make the process more vulnerable to political pressure.

SEN. CARL LEVIN (D), MICHIGAN: How does putting the director even closer to the policy maker do anything other than to make this problem even a -- more difficult?

HENRY: As top Bush officials met again to consider what commission recommendations the president could implement quickly, Republican Susan Collins tried to slow mounting pressure on Congress.

SEN. SUSAN COLLINS (D-ME), GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN: We must act with speed but not in haste. We must be bold, but we cannot be reckless.

HENRY: But one Democrat suggested delay would be a mistake.

SEN. TOM CARPER (D), DELAWARE: Carpe diem -- it's the only Latin I know -- seize the day. And there's something to be said for seizing the day, particularly when it's so hard to get anything done around here.

KEAN: I hope carpe diem is the right way to go, seize the day. But seize the day, as this body always does, with deliberate speed and with due deliberation.

HENRY (on camera): And starting next week, 9/11 commissioners are going to hit the road, barnstorming the nation to drum up support for their reform proposals. They want to keep the heat on the Congress and the president.

Ed Henry, CNN, Washington.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

CALLAWAY: And relatives of 9/11 victims plan to keep a spotlight trained on the commission's reform proposals as well. One of those victims was 39-year-old Ronald Breitweiser. He was in the second tower that day in September. And his widow, Kristen, is co-chair of the September 11 Advocates. She's s joining us now from New York.

Thanks for being with us this morning.

KRISTEN BREITWEISER, SEPTEMBER 11 ADVOCATES: Thanks for inviting me.

CALLAWAY: You had to cringe a little bit, I'm sure, in Ed's report, when you heard acting quickly, acting with speed. It's almost three years.

BREITWEISER: I think you're exactly right. I think we need to be careful. We don't want to rush into these recommendations. We want to have a thoughtful process involved.

Nevertheless, it's unfortunate that three years since September 11, very little has been done from what could have been done, and we didn't have to be in this position where we have a nation who will have access to this report, will read how utterly dysfunctional our intel community and our ability to defend ourselves against terrorists is.

And that public pressure is certainly going to look to Congress and the president and say, What are you doing? And I think if they had just acted in the last three years to address some of these issues, we would not be in such a race against the clock right now.

CALLAWAY: And Kristen, what do you think of the commission's plans now to take their proposals to the road? Is this really going to help?

BREITWEISER: I think undoubtedly it's going to help. I think the most important thing now is for every American citizen to pick up a copy of this book and read it cover to cover. And I think with the commissioners going across country and the family members getting the word out to our loved ones and our friends across the country, we will have the American public invited into this process, staying engaged, and staying on top of these vital issues that need to be addressed.

CALLAWAY: Are you helped or hurt by the fact that this is an election year?

BREITWEISER: You know, I think that it's obviously helpful, because there is more of an intuned nature to these issues. Obviously, certain people that are up for election know that their constituents will read this report and will say, What have you done since September 12, 2001, to address these issues?

And I think it needs to be pointed out that we had a decade, more than a decade, where these issues were left unaddressed. Al Qaeda grew and got stronger. And then we had September 11.

And, really, what's even more aggravating is since September 11, the families were fighting for this commission. We were fighting for access. We were fighting for these issues to be addressed by Congress. And we had the joint inquiry of Congress's final report coming out in December 2002. And very little was done with that report's recommendations. That's frustrating for us.

CALLAWAY: There have been a litany of recommendations, and certainly out of this report perhaps the most important, the national intelligence director, national intelligence center, tougher congressional oversight. Quickly, of all of those major recommendations, which do you think would be the most important?

BREITWEISER: I think the one that's the most important is probably the one that has the most likelihood of getting passed with the most sound judgment. And that is, frankly, up to Congress and the president to determine what they deem the most important. And I would encourage them to work cooperatively with the families, with the commissioners, to prove to the American people that we are taking this seriously, we are showing evidence.

And I think the American people will see that in the final results. The proof will be in the pudding.

CALLAWAY: And Kristen, quickly, what do you plan to do, what does your organization plan to do to stay on issue to make sure that you see what you want done come to light?

BREITWEISER: If we are invited to testify, we will testify at the hearings. We will stay involved with the language of the legislation that will be created, and we will be getting a grassroots effort together. We will be posting information on our Web site as to how Congress is moving on this issue, who is cooperating, who is not.

And it's our opinion that we have to get the public involved in this. We must engage the public so that their voices can be heard, because that's what democracy is all about.

CALLAWAY: All right, Kristen, Kristen Breitweiser, I'm sure we'll see more of you in the coming year.

BREITWEISER: I hope so.

CALLAWAY: Thanks.

BREITWEISER: Bye-bye.

GRIFFIN: Rummaging through all that garbage at the Democratic convention, curators are there from the Smithsonian. Stopping by The Novak Zone this week, find out which convention elements will become keepsakes. That's ahead on CNN SATURDAY MORNING.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

CALLAWAY: could the nation's capital be prime for the national pastime? Well, some think so.

GRIFFIN: Welcome back to you. That story coming up.

First, the headlines at this hour.

Talks begin today in Iraq to win the release of seven truck drivers being held hostage, the discussions between a representative of the kidnappers and the Kuwaiti trucking company where the hostages worked. The truck drivers kidnapped last week.

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CALLAWAY: It is said that one man's junk is another man's treasure. Curators from the nation's attic, the Smithsonian Institution, of course, traveled to the Democratic convention this week, and they join CNN's Bob Novak in The Novak Zone.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) ROBERT NOVAK, HOST: Welcome to The Novak Zone.

We're at the Fleet Center in Boston, Massachusetts, site of the Democratic National Convention. Our guests are two curators from the Museum of American History in Washington, D.C., Larry Bird and Harry Rubenstein.

You gentlemen go from convention to convention, looking for artifacts, for memorabilia. What are you looking for specifically, Mr. Rubenstein?

HARRY RUBENSTEIN, MUSEUM OF AMERICAN HISTORY: Well, basically, what we're here trying to do is document the political process. And, you know, most of this material is here today, and then it just disappears. And so what we've found over the years is that we really need to be here to just sort of preserve those items that document and represent the process that's taking place.

NOVAK: How do you -- what, do you just roam the floor after they adjourn and pick up stuff they leave?

LARRY BIRD, MUSEUM OF AMERICAN HISTORY: Well, that's one way you could do it. But what we're really looking for are three things. We're looking for material, of course, but that represents the social part of the convention, the political part, the message part, and then the overall media spectacle that we're a part of. So that's what we're looking for.

RUBENSTEIN: And what we do is, we talk to people, is largely what we do.

BIRD: Right.

RUBENSTEIN: You know, we talk to the delegates. We talk to people who are working the convention, either on the floor or behind the scenes. And we sort of see what they find as interesting and important to them.

NOVAK: What do you find worth collecting and shipping back to the museum? What kind of thing? Give me an example.

BIRD: Well, in terms of the social aspect of the convention, you know, you would -- you know, the delegate hat is probably the quintessential convention object that you see here. And that shows, you know, evidence of activism and engagement on the part of the person who made it, as opposed to the things that are just given to the delegates to hand out and hold up. That's sort of the media staging part of the convention.

NOVAK: Mr. Rubenstein, the first campaign that the buttons were used was 1896, William Jennings Bryan versus William McKinley. Contrary to what some people think, I did not cover that election. But I do have campaign buttons from 1932, Roosevelt versus Hoover. I was 1 year old then. Have, have -- but I get a feeling that campaign buttons are not as prevalent or as important an artifact as they were 20, 30 years ago. Is that right? RUBENSTEIN: You know, it's interesting. I have a feeling that there's an example of almost every form of media that was ever used in a campaign that's still represented on the delegate today, whether it's an old ribbon, a button. And people just keep adding onto it. So in some senses, I think that the T-shirt is beginning to replace the button as the standard form of communication.

NOVAK: Mr. Bird, what kind of changes have you seen in the last 20, 25 years in campaign memorabilia and artifacts?

BIRD: Well, you know, as a curator, it's a -- excuse me. It's kind of a challenge because increasingly the budgets in the campaigns are geared toward television and radio and now, by (UNINTELLIGIBLE), Internet, you know.

But it's mostly television still. So if you're a campaign manager and you have, say, $10,000, where will you spend that? Used to be, you know, in the '30s, '40s, '50s, and even in the '60s, you would spend money on buttons to create a mass effect. You know, you would rather see 10,000 people wearing a button than 10,000 watching a television commercial.

NOVAK: Do you think, Mr. Rubenstein, that it's changed the way candidates are, this kind of change that Mr. Bird was talking about?

RUBENSTEIN: Well, in some ways, I think that, you know, there's two different things taking place here. You know, one is trying to get a candidate elected, and so they're creating material for that purpose. I think a lot of the sort of memorabilia that we're most interested in is really about party building, long-term loyalty, personal identification, which often seems to get lost in this process of trying to elect candidates. I think that's one of the major shifts that's taking place.

NOVAK: Mr. Bird, your museum, the -- in Washington, the Museum of American History, has got a new exhibit called the machinery (UNINTELLIGIBLE), The Machinery of Democracy. Can you tell us a little about that, how many items there are in it, and so on?

BIRD: Well, there are about 40 artifacts in that include everything from the Palm Beach County butterfly ballot to a standard gear-and-lever voting machine, and some of the newer electronic machines that are out today.

I mean, the idea for the show to -- occurred, you know, to me after the Florida recount, you know, in 2000, which was basically, you know, for a month -- it was almost an extension of the campaign. But we have things like Judge Rosenburg's magnifying glass that he used to count, you know, using it as an umpire, basically, to call balls and strikes, that sort of thing. But it runs the gamut from, you know, the classic paper ballots to the most complex machines that we used today.

NOVAK: Mr. Rubenstein, the, as you know, the, in sports, the secondary market in memorabilia is very big, somebody's glove or somebody's autograph. Are some of the political junkies thinking that maybe if they pick up something here, it will be worth money someday? And will it be worth money someday?

RUBENSTEIN: You know, we've been noticing this over the years, is, there's more and more people after the convention saving stuff, hoarding it. I'm not sure whether they're all planning on selling this on eBay immediately, or saving it over the years.

I think the most expressive things in future generations obviously tend to be the more valuable. And so there is this market. What we're interested in, of course, is the historical value and less the monetary.

NOVAK: But you think it (UNINTELLIGIBLE)...

RUBENSTEIN: It's worth saving...

NOVAK: ... (UNINTELLIGIBLE)...

RUBENSTEIN: ... your buttons, though, over the years.

NOVAK: Save your -- yes, save your buttons. I'll save my Landon button, all right?

RUBENSTEIN: Yes, absolutely.

NOVAK: OK.

And now the big question for Larry Bird and Harry Rubenstein.

Gentlemen, in your course of searching for political memorabilia, what's your favorite piece of memorabilia? You can go first, Mr. Bird.

BIRD: Boy, you know, I don't have one single thing that I could think of. In terms of the latest show, I would have to say it was Judge Rosenburg's magnifying glass. But, you know, maybe that's just a current example.

NOVAK: Mr. Rubenstein?

RUBENSTEIN: You know, this is a question we get all the time, and I think we stumble over all the time.

BIRD: That's true.

RUBENSTEIN: And, you know, for me, the thing that's really my favorite object is when -- you know, it changes all the time. It's when that political active individual gives us something that they really can't part with, but really feel that they're making a contribution to save it for the Smithsonian. That becomes our favorite object for the moment. And it changes with each new gift.

NOVAK: Larry Bird, Harry Rubenstein, thank very much.

RUBENSTEIN: Thank you.

BIRD: Thank you. NOVAK: And thank you for being in The Novak Zone.

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GRIFFIN: And who says kids don't like school? You would if you were in this rockin' class.

Also to tell about Mike Tyson. He was just plain rocked. We'll see what happened to this guy last night. We're going to show you when we return.

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GRIFFIN: Within a couple of weeks, major league baseball will likely put the long-suffering Montreal Expos out of their misery. One city hoping to give the franchise a more loving home is Washington, a city deprived of baseball for more than 30 years.

CNN's Sean Callebs is at the Smithsonian Institute in Washington, and its baseball Bash exhibit. This going to happen, Sean?

SEAN CALLEBS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, if you talk to a lot of people here, they firmly believe it's going to happen. But they've had their hopes built up before only to see them dashed at the last moment.

If you do live in D.C. right now, this is about as close to professional baseball as you're going to get. This is an exhibit, it's called Going to Bat for America. Really talks about baseball during a time of war, everything from a lithograph down here of the Civil War, Union soldiers playing in a Confederate camp, to -- See that baseball up there? That is something that in during World War II, that was a fan got that at the Polo Grounds, then donated it. It was stamped, and it went to a soldier overseas.

But everybody right now in D.C. talking about baseball in the future. There is a decent chance that perhaps as early as next year, major league baseball will come to the Washington, D.C., area, either to D.C. or northern Virginia. It's one of a number of cities competing for the Expos. A lot made about just what kind of financial boon it could mean to this region, but also just the pride of having major league baseball back.

They lost the Senators back in 1971. Lovable losers, those Senators were. Great Ted Williams coaching this team at one point.

But a big push to bring it back here.

But we know that people come to major league baseball games not just to watch the action but also for the cuisine. And guys, down here for you we have some dogs that are sold across the nation. This one, a Texas dog, Texas corn dog. This, my personal favorite, the Chicago red hot. Then you have a Cincinnati cheese cony (ph), then the Milwaukee brat (ph), and on the far end, New York deli, complete with onions, sauerkraut, everything else, but no calories in any of these. Joining us now, Richard Hetzler. He is the executive chef here at the Smithsonian Natural History Museum.

Now, you sell these out here. What do people say about coming and being able to buy fare you can get at a baseball game?

RICHARD HETZLER, EXECUTIVE CHEF: I think the whole point of it was to kind of bring, you know, some of the exhibit down into the cafe. It's been a huge response. We've gotten tons of response from all the different hot dogs. People actually come in from, you know, Cincinnati, and they get to taste the chili and get to see, Wow, this is just like what I get at the stadium where I'm from, or they get a red hot and they say, Wow, you know, this is amazing that I can come here and get the (UNINTELLIGIBLE) the taste of home from where I'm from.

CALLEBS: Now, if D.C. gets a baseball team, what kind of hot dog could you envision the 5 million citizens in this area enjoying?

HETZLER: I think it would be something similar to a red hot. I think, you know, they like something that's going to have all kinds of different textures brought to it, I think it's going to be a natural- casing hot dog, so you get a crisp bite out of it. They're going to like that saltiness.

CALLEBS: Just one more reason for major league baseball to come to this area. Richard, thanks very much. We'll head down later and sample some of these.

Now, Drew, I know you come from the Los Angeles area. No Dodger dogs here, but got to ask you, out of all of these, which one do you think you would go for?

GRIFFIN: You know, I grew up in Chicago. That red hot with those banana peppers, little kraut, that's my dog.

CALLEBS: And I got to apologize to Catherine, no Braves dog here either, but we'll ship her a couple of corn dogs (UNINTELLIGIBLE).

GRIFFIN: And I'm thinking the hot dog in D.C. is going to definitely have pork.

CALLAWAY: Oh, that's (UNINTELLIGIBLE).

CALLEBS: Very good. You know what? I could also answer the earlier question, why not the American Museum, why Natural History? Apparently, one of the directors here, big baseball fan, and this exhibit was at a museum in New York, well, he struck up a relationship with folks there, brought it down here, and we can tell you it is wildly popular down here. People clamoring for major league baseball again.

CALLAWAY: Yes, it was a nice surprise to find that in the Natural History Museum.

CALLEBS: Yes, yes, it was. It was a natural find. GRIFFIN: All right. We go on to other sports news, Sean.

Iron Mike proves once again he's, you know, flesh and bones. And today, a lot of bruises. Former heavyweight champ Mike Tyson returned to the ring after a 17-month absence. He probably should have stayed in retirement. Journeyman Danny Williams knocked him out in the fourth round in a defeat that may have been the last big payday for Iron Mike. Tyson, once one of the most fearsome boxers in the world, was paid $8 million for this knockout. Most of it will go toward paying off his $38 million debt.

CALLAWAY: Got $30 million to go.

Well, from Iron Mike to heavy metal, some teens in Atlanta are literally rocking around the clock.

Here is our Denise Belgrade with the story.

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DENISE BELGRADE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It's summer, and means a mind-boggling choice of summer camps. This year's newest genre reflects the march of time, it's rock and roll camp.

If you're 11 to 18 years old and you can drum up just under $500, then you're good for a full week at Camp Jam Atlanta. Jeff Carlisi (ph), lead guitarist for the group 38 Special, says the camp couldn't have been a reality just 10 years ago.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The parents would have said, you know, My child is not playing rock and roll. Just going to be classically trained, whatever. But now the parents are the rock and roll generation. The parents are my age. They have these records. It's accepted.

BELGRADE: For many of the kids, it's their first opportunity to play with a band or to get professional instruction, or even simply to just be around others who share their passion for rock and roll.

Andy Oastey (ph) wanted to attend the camp so much, she raised half the fees herself. And she says she got more than her money's worth.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This has really helped me with my stage presence, because I've been performing a lot, but I've never had good stage presence, and I've been kind of nervous. And here it's -- I haven't been nervous at all. But (UNINTELLIGIBLE) from around people around my own age, then I just -- I feel comfortable, because I know that, you know, they're going to encourage me no matter what I do.

BELGRADE (on camera): Jeff is starting a new program that he hopes is going to keep all of these bands together over the course of the school year. The new program supports Camp Jam's message, rock and roll is here to stay.

(voice-over): Denise Belgrade, CNN, Atlanta. (END VIDEOTAPE)

CALLAWAY: Good morning, Portland. Look at those blue skies. You know, they're loving that. No rain today. We'll have your complete weather forecast in about five minutes. CNN SATURDAY MORNING continues. Stay with us.

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CALLAWAY: Good morning, Portland. I'll tell you what, the other live shot we had a minute ago, the skies looked a lot bluer. That's Oregon for you. The clouds are moving in. Arch Kennedy will have the forecast for you in just a minute. But first we're going to update the top stories.

In the headlines, Ohio and Pennsylvania are getting a lot of attention from the presidential candidates today. President Bush due to arrive in Canton, Ohio, next hour. And this afternoon, the president's bus tour rolls into Cambridge.

And Democrat John Kerry will also be in Ohio, appearing in Zanesville tonight. This afternoon, he will attend a rally in a suburb of Pittsburgh a few hours before President Bush arrives for a campaign appearance of his own.

GRIFFIN: Next on CNN is "ON THE STORY." From Washington today, it's Barbara Starr hosting the show. Good morning, Barbara.

BARBARA STARR, "ON THE STORY": Good morning to you, Drew.

Well, we're "ON THE STORY" from here in Washington, to Iraq, to the presidential campaign trail. Kelly Wallace will be talking about Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry and the party faithful, ratcheting up the race for the White House. Kathleen Hays is "ON THE STORY" of the economy. Jane Vergy (ph) is "ON THE STORY" of a worsening humanitarian crisis in the Sudan. And I'm "ON THE STORY" of retired Army general Tommy Franks reflecting on his Iraqi war plan, all coming up, all "ON THE STORY."

Drew, Catherine?

CALLAWAY: All right, Barbara, we'll be watching. Thank you very much.

All morning, we've been asking you for your thoughts. Our e-mail question of the day, of course, is, do you think that the conventions make a difference on who you vote for?

And here's what D. from Key Largo says. "Conventions are meant to inspire party members to get fired up and spread the word. But I think they do little to influence anyone. I believe the debates, however, have a great influence on undecided voters."

GRIFFIN: Another Florida e-mail. "They might, if I could stay up late enough to see the main speakers." That's what Joan is writing. "What's up with these 10:00 p.m. speeches? I live in Florida. Most of the lights and TVs are turned off here by 10:00." Boy, that's true.

CALLAWAY: Not in our house. TVs stay on all the time.

Arch Kennedy with us for a last look at the weather this morning.

KENNEDY: Hey, Catherine, hey to you, Drew.

We're looking at some very decent weather for you across parts of the Northwest, from Seattle to Portland. You can see our radar vantage point this morning. Good morning to you, Portland, where you're looking at temperatures in the 50s. And we take a look at a few clouds out there. It's partly cloudy, and temperatures today going to warm into the mid-80s before the day's all said and done. No rain in sight for you.

All right. We head back to the computer and show you, we are watching the tropics. We're going all the way now to the East Coast. And this area of disturbed weather, aircraft reconnaissance going in there this morning to check it out, see if we're going to see any development as it continues a northwest trek. So we'll watch this and keep you posted right here at CNN through the day, if need be.

And we also see plenty of rain moving through the Ohio Valley, heavy rains pushing through Kentucky, into Tennessee, Nashville, and even into northwestern parts of Alabama. That is in association with a cold front. And that's going to produce the wet weather throughout the East today, eventually making it to our major cities like New York and Philadelphia by the evening and overnight hours.

In the meantime, nation's midsection looking pretty dry, a few severe storms in the northern Plains.

CALLAWAY: All right, Arch. Thank you very much.

KENNEDY: Sure thing.

GRIFFIN: Plenty ahead on "CNN SATURDAY" this morning. Up next, it is "ON THE STORY." At 11:00, "PEOPLE IN THE NEWS," today, a look at two Oscar-winning actors, Halle Berry, currently starring as Cat Woman, and Denzel Washington, starring in the remake of "The Manchurian Candidate." And at noon, it's "CNN LIVE SATURDAY." We're going to introduce you to someone who is fresh from covering the Democratic convention and looking forward to starting junior high.

CALLAWAY: Wow.

GRIFFIN: That's at noon.

CALLAWAY: And that's it for us on CNN SATURDAY MORNING. We will be back tomorrow morning, so see you then.

GRIFFIN: Have a good day.

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