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Mark Lunsford Helps Search for Another Missing Florida Girl; Smoke Signals from the Vatican; Viewers Weigh In: Should US Negotiate With Terrorists for Hostages?

Aired April 16, 2005 - 09:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


HARRIS: A little preoccupied...
NGUYEN: Yes, you are!

HARRIS: Got to get my head back in the game.

NGUYEN: This is the game. Let's go.

HARRIS: Welcome to the CNN Center in Atlanta. This is CNN SATURDAY MORNING.

Good morning, everyone, I'm Tony Harris.

NGUYEN: And I'm Betty Nguyen. It is 9:00 am in the east, 6:00 am out West. We want to thank you for joining us today, so let's get right to it. Stories, "Now in the News."

Airport security screening is reportedly no better than it was before September 11th attacks. That is the findings of two government reports being released soon. One congressman says, people will be shocked to see the results after all of the money that's been spent on trying to improve security.

Protesters, they are expected at the World Bank and International Monetary Fund meeting in the nation's capital. That happens today. The spring meeting is expected to focus on high oil prices along with debt relief for poor countries.

A television news station became a crime scene yesterday. This is surveillance video from WDIV in Detroit. Police say a man, who had previously assaulted station employees, was inside the station's doors, when he shot a former employee. The suspect's family members say he had mental problems and didn't like the station's cameras. A station's secretary tried to warn the former employee to get out of the vestibule before he was shot.

Now, that person who was shot is in critical but stable condition. Prosecutors could file charges as early as today.

HARRIS: It has been a week now, and there's still no word on Sarah Lunde. The search for the missing Florida teenager expands this morning and we'll take you there live in a minute.

Tens of thousands of people take to the streets across China. We'll tell you why just ahead. We're going to see how hard it is so make smoke a color you want it to be, even for the Vatican.

NGUYEN: But in Florida, the search widens this morning for Sarah Michelle Lunde, missing for nearly a week. CNN's Sarah Dorsey is on the scene live in Ruskin, Florida, and she joins us now with the latest. Good morning, Sara.

DORSEY: Good morning to you, Betty.

First, we should mention, there is a $10,000 reward out for any information leading to the whereabouts of Sarah Lunde. As you said, her brother last saw her Saturday night. She was officially reported missing on Monday.

Today, the search is being expanded. 200 law enforcement agents are involved in this case right now. Yesterday, 200 searchers came out. Now it is the weekend, they are expecting far more searchers than they had during the week. Those people will be out on foot, ATV's. They will also be on horseback. There are helicopters in the sky still looking for Sarah. Divers have went down into the water trying to find any signs of this little girl. As of now there, is still no sign at all.

There is one person that police have named, that they have talking to. That is David Onstott. He is a 36-year-old convicted sex offender who had on again/off again relations with Sarah's mother. Now, he is currently in custody on unrelated charges. Apparently, the Saturday night that Sarah went missing he stopped by the home, actually in the very early morning hours of Sunday morning. So, investigators are speaking with him. They say he is cooperating. They are not naming him either a suspect or a person of interest at this point.

And I can tell you that things here, if investigators do have any information or any great leads, they're not sharing that with the media. With they did tell us yesterday we've had 75 leads, which really is not a lot in a case that is getting national media attention. Generally they get more sightings, more leads and more tips and they aren't coming in right now. Investigators here are hoping these searchers can find something. In fact, Sarah Lunde's mom is out here now. She was talking to investigators. She's joined in the search in the last few days. We expect her to be out again today.

Also, we were told yesterday Mark Lunsford, the father of Jessica Lunsford, who was killed by a sex offender in February, in Homosassass Springs, has been out here also helping with the search. We are expecting him out here again today. As of now, no signs of 13-year- old Sarah Lunde. Betty?

NGUYEN: Ann, we're expecting a news conference in the next hour from police. Hopefully we'll learn more information then. Sara Dorsey, thank you.

HARRIS: A California teenager missing for three weeks will be reunited with her parents. 14-year-old Ashley Markly has been located in Missouri. She was last seen March 29th with a 28-year-old friend, as they left a relative's house. Police are looking for the older woman.

In Salt Lake City, Mark Hacking pleaded guilty to murdering his wife last July. Lori hacking's body was found three months later in a landfill. Prosecutors pressed for life in prison when Hacking in sentenced in June.

Michael Schiavo has been cleared of allegations of abusing his late wife. Florida's Department of Children and Families investigated dozens of complaints, investigators says. They found no evidence that either Terri Schiavo's husband or parent exploited the woman.

NGUYEN: While they don't negotiate with hostage-takers, U.S. officials say they are doing all they can to secure Jeffrey Ake's release. The Indiana businessman was abducted from a Baghdad construction site on Monday. A video showing him surrounding by masked gunmen aired on Arab television Wednesday. Now the U.S. embassy in Iraq says it has a twenty-five member team searching for Ake.

Which brings us to our e-mail question today: current U.S. policy is not to negotiate with hostage-takers. Do you think that is the right thing to do? let us know. Send us your e-mails. Wam@CNN.com.

HARRIS: And now to "Security Watch" updating you on the week's major developments in the war on terror every Saturday morning. The Department of Homeland Security is putting up $142 million in grants to boost security for rail, bus and ferry travel. The grant money will be used for things like explosive detention and prevention of nuclear, biological and chemical attacks. The department gave only $50 million in grants last year.

New concerns over background checks for people working at the nation's airports. The Department of Homeland Security says it arrested 57 illegal immigrants last month who work at airports and other places that are at risk for attacks. All of the people worked in security-sensitive areas but none appeared to have ties to terrorism.

Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez says more nationwide fugitive roundups are likely in the future. Gonzalez cited the success of operation falcon a week-long dragnet. More than 10,000 criminals are picked up, including convicted and accused murderers, robbers, rapists. The operation was tied to National Crime Victim's Rights Week.

Stay tuned to CNN day and night for the most reliable news about your security.

NGUYEN: Thousands of Chinese take to the streets protesting Japan. Why are they angry?

HARRIS: Holy smokes! The chemistry behind how the Vatican sends the right signals. NGUYEN: We also say good morning, St. Louis. You're looking live over the city. Look at that beautiful arch this morning. Rob Marciano is here with the forecast when we come back.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:: Do you swear that the testimony you're about to give before this committee will be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you god?

KEN STARR FMR SPECIAL PROSECUTOR: I do.

HARRIS: Special prosecutor Ken Starr spent five years and $50 million investigating President Clinton, which started as a probe into the Whitewater land deal culminated into the 445-page "Starr Report," detailing a salacious relationship with White House intern Monica Lewinsky and other allegations.

STARR: The president chose deception, a pattern of calculated behavior over a span of months.

HARRIS: President Clinton survived the resulting impeachment. Starr stepped into private life and out of the beltway. He and his wife, Alice, now live in southern California. They have three children. Star is the dean of Pepperdine School of Law and says very little about the Clinton investigation but in a recent interview he called it challenging times that made his faith deepen.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

NGUYEN: Losing weight just might be simple as finding out your brain what it's craving. The authors of "Eat Right for your Brain Type," they join us tomorrow morning, live. It's a unique approach to dieting, right here, live on CNN SUNDAY, 9:00 eastern.

HARRIS: And our morning business block kicks off that the half- hour, and at 9:30 a.m. eastern, we are dealing with an overhyped housing market. Well, that's the question, that's on "Open House" with Gerri Willis. Join the DOLANS UNSCRIPTED, live, at 10:00 a.m. eastern.

And another small business get headed in the right direction on the TURNAROUND with Ali Belshi at 11:00. We'll be right back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

HARRIS: Time now for a quick check of some of the other stories making news around the world.

NGUYEN: There have been more anti-Japanese protests in China. We're wanting the latest on that and the rest of the international news roundup, let's hand it over to Anand Naidoo.

ANAND NAIDOO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, and thank you. Yes, that's right, there have been more anti-Japan protests in China. Tens of thousands of protestors taking to the streets in the capital Beijing as well as in Shanghai. Protesters threw stones and broke windows at Japan's consulate and Japanese restaurants in Shanghai. The demonstrations erupted despite government cause for calm. The U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan called for the easing of tensions this week.

Police stood guard at Beijing's Tiananmen Square to block a planned demonstration in the center of the capital. Japan is demanding China ensure the safety of its citizens in China. These protests are aimed at Japan because Chinese are very upset at what they say is Japan's approval of controversial textbooks which downplay the role that Japan played in China during the Second World War and the Chinese are opposed to Japan Becoming a public member of the new U.N. Security Council.

NAIDOO: Now on to Pakistan, tensions are rising there, as security forces storm a plane and obtain opposition leader Asif Ali Zardari. Earlier the government blocked rallies by Zardari's Pakistan People's Party. More than 5,000 party members and members of parliament have been arrested. Zardari is the husband of the former Pakistan President Benazir Bhutto. He was returning from visiting her in Dubai -- that's where she lives in self-imposed exile -- when the disruptions erupted there in Lahai in Pakistan. That is all from me for now. But stay with CNN, and we'll be monitoring world developments throughout your day, for now, though, let's send it back to Tony.

HARRIS: The Vatican has used smoke to announce the election of a new pope since at least 1878, but achieving the necessary color of smoke, black or white, has been a process of trial and error threw the years.

CNN technology correspondent Daniel Seiberg explores some of the ways it might be done.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

DANIEL SEIBERG, CNN TECHNOLOGY CORRESPONDENT: In an age when the Holy See used a laptop and the pope's followers used the latest technology to witness his burial, both sides were relying on an ancient form of communication -- smoke signals, to alert the world about a new pope, white smoke if they've decided, black if they haven't. It's the Vatican's equivalent of avoiding a hanging chad. You see, cardinals are not chemists. In 1978, there was confusion over the smoke's color from the Sistine Chapel chimney, leading to some premature celebration.

White smoke isn't just good news for the church, it's also good news for the fire department. When they say white smoke they know they're making progress with the fire. We decided to enlist their help for a little experiment.

So, we've got some mock ballots here, we're going to throw these in as part of our experiment, and we're going to light it from the bottom. This is like our makeshift chimney here. During the conclave, the words "I elect as Supreme Pontiff..." in Latin, are burned after each vote. In our first set up, we also added dry straw.

Now it's getting -- now it's getting -- it's almost going back and forth.

A mix of black and white at first, not exactly definitive.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:: Fairly dark.

SEIBERG: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:: As you can see and it would do so until all of the straw and/or the paper has been burned away completely. Of course, unless there is the introduction of water, which will make the smoke white.

SEIBERG: And when we tried the damp straw and water, a more dramatic outcome.

Why does the water make the smoke white?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Basically the water is the cooling agent that's coming together with the heat.

SEIBERG: These days, to get a more uniform plume, the cardinals add coloring agents, and maybe something more homemade.

TRACY MORKIN, EMORY UNIVERSITY: We started with extra original olive oil because we read somewhere on a website that extra virgin olive oil was used to make the smoke blacker.

SEIBERG: Tracy Morkin is a doctor of chemistry at Emory University. She said it wouldn't be hard to created blackened effect using any number of flammable products.

MORKIN: What makes it black is the fact that what you're burn something carbon-based. These are carbon-based liquids that generally don't burn very cleanly or the combustion isn't complete, so the black comes from carbon.

SEIBERG: But for this conclave, the Vatican will not rely entirely on the accuracy of its color code. This time, at the request of high tech inspired John Paul II, bells will also toll so that there will be no doubt when the successor is chosen.

Daniel Seiberg, CNN, Atlanta.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

HARRIS: Boy, you got to get that one right.

What news of the day is topping the charts at CNN.com? Here's a hint: one of the biggest stories is about an eight-legged mom. More on that story when CNN SATURDAY MORNING returns. NGUYEN: Still stuck on that eight-legged mom. All right, let's move forward.

First a CNN extra: more than 400 students at 18 colleges are being sued for illegally downloading music and movies over the internet. It's called "Internet Two," which is the network where they downloaded those movies and music. The federal copyright lawsuits were filed by the Recording Industry Association of America, the Motion Picture Association of America is also planning to file.

The internet-2 network was created for academic purposes and is not available to the public. Users can download a song in about 20 seconds and in about five minutes for a movie.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

HARRIS: I'm just doing things, I don't understand. I know -- we know for a fact that everyday many of you head straight to CNN.com to learn more about some of the stories and the news. It's always interesting to see which stories are getting the most clicks. Veronica de la Cruz of the CNN.com desk is here to highlight some of the day's most popular stories. We haven't seen in you a while. Have you got some good stuff for us today?

VERONICA DE LA CRUZ, CNN.COM CORRESPONDENT: I've got great stuff for...

HARRIS: First of all, it's good to see you.

DE LA CRUZ: It's so nice to see you. And you know, I want to say -- I want to challenge you out there on the ice. You're looking pretty good.

NGUYEN: Whatever!

HARRIS: No, no, no, no, she's challenging me because she used to skate. You still do? You used to.

DE LA CRUZ: I did, sometimes. One of these days, but first, let's get to the stories.

To find them, Tony, you're going to go to our main page and click on the icon most popular on the right-hand side of your screen or you can type in CNN.com/most popular.

Our No. 1 story on the web, right now, well, it's going to take more than a shark attack to keep some surfers out of the water, and here's proof, Tony. A man in his 30s was surfing off the coast of Australia when he was attacked by a seven-foot shark. A lifeguard says the man wedged his surfboard between himself and the shark. The shark took two bites out of the board and then disappeared. The man rode his damaged board in, got a replaced and headed back out into the water.

HARRIS: Come on!

DE LA CRUZ: Yes, he did. The lifeguard said he was, quote, "very laid back about it."

HARRIS: They're hardy like that, the Australians. They are.

DE LA CRUZ: All right, Tony. For another hot story, meet Aurora. This new mom has eight arms and nine babies. Aurora the octopus is saying hello to motherhood after trying for almost a year. Nine of her eggs have finally hatched. Last year, scientists at a sea life center in Alaska started draining her tank, thinking her eggs weren't fertile. Luckily an intern noticed eyes developing in some of the eggs. So, of course you guys are going to help me congratulate Aurora, right?

HARRIS: How do we do that, just two, four, six, we'll get there...

DE LA CRUZ: We have the eight arms. We need one more person -- and Rob has another pair of arms.

HARRIS: That's right.

DE LA CRUZ: We can welcome Aurora.

HARRIS: Veronica, all those of items at CNN.com.

DE LA CRUZ: Of course.

NGUYEN: All right, very interesting.

(WEATHER REPORT)

NGUYEN: In case you didn't get your fill of headlines this is week, let's rewind through some of the big stories of the past two days.

Tuesday, the World Health Organization urged labs to destroy samples of a potentially deadly flu virus that were sent out by mistake. The flu's strain triggered the 1957 Asian flu pandemic.

Wednesday, an FDA advisory panel recommended silicone breast implants made by the Mentor Corporation be allowed back on the market, but only if they follow certain conditions. A day earlier, it decided not to recommend silicone implants by Inamed (ph); that's a company that also makes the implant. Silicone breast implants have been off the market since 1992 because of health concerns.

Also Wednesday, lawmakers on Capitol Hill said there is a clear need for federal regulations to protect victims of identity theft. The congressional hearing follows a string of security breaches at companies that sell personal data, such as Choicepoint and Lexis- Nexis.

And tomorrow, we will fast forward to the week ahead and tell you which story will grab the spotlight.

HARRIS: The current U.S. policy is not to negotiate with hostage takers. What do you think? We're reading your e-mails when CNN SATURDAY MORNING return.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

NGUYEN: We have quite a show coming up for you, we're talking about the Dolans at 10:00 a.m. eastern. We have them now to talk about what's coming up on the show. Hey, there.

KEN DOLAN, CO-HOST, "DOLANS UNSCRIPTED": Betty, nice to see you. You know, the markets started off really like, really crummy this past week. That was the good news. Friday, yesterday, one of the worst days in two years. Where to we go from here? What do you do when you put your 401K in stuff? We're going to talk about it.

DARIA DOLAN, CO-HOST, "DOLANS UNSCRIPTED": Also, Betty, the Vatican is about to choose a new pope, but the new pope's going to have to have some real money savvy. We're going to talk about that, and a very interesting sit-down we had with Former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neil, talking Social Security and health care problems.

K. DOLAN: Easy hour, Betty.

NGUYEN: Talking money, that's what I like to hear -- thanks.

K. DOLAN: Thanks, Betty. Say hi to Tony.

NGUYEN: All right.

HARRIS: Hey, guys. And all morning long, we've been asking for your thoughts on our email question. Here it is: what do you think, do you believe the U.S. should negotiate with hostage takers?

And this from Janet in Indiana this morning: "Absolutely not!!! If they start getting 'rewards' for their behavior, it will only be repeated more often. Think basic Pavlov response!"

NGUYEN: Well, Richard from Pensacola does not agree. He says, "Yes. US policy has been a miserable example to others and a colossal failure. Other countries are now making their own decisions, working with terrorists and saving lives."

HARRIS: And this from T.K. in western Iraq: "As an American contractor currently working in Iraq I can say with great resolve that the American government should not negotiate with terrorists. It is a good policy and one that should be upheld. All of us know the dangers of our jobs and do it anyway in support of the military."

Thanks again for your e-mail responses this morning; we appreciate it, and we'll have another question tomorrow at wam@cnn.com.

NGUYEN: Right now we want to thank you for joining us today. We will see you again tomorrow morning, hope so.

HARRIS: "OPEN HOUSE" is straight ahead, but first, these stories now in the news.

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Aired April 16, 2005 - 09:00   ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
HARRIS: A little preoccupied...
NGUYEN: Yes, you are!

HARRIS: Got to get my head back in the game.

NGUYEN: This is the game. Let's go.

HARRIS: Welcome to the CNN Center in Atlanta. This is CNN SATURDAY MORNING.

Good morning, everyone, I'm Tony Harris.

NGUYEN: And I'm Betty Nguyen. It is 9:00 am in the east, 6:00 am out West. We want to thank you for joining us today, so let's get right to it. Stories, "Now in the News."

Airport security screening is reportedly no better than it was before September 11th attacks. That is the findings of two government reports being released soon. One congressman says, people will be shocked to see the results after all of the money that's been spent on trying to improve security.

Protesters, they are expected at the World Bank and International Monetary Fund meeting in the nation's capital. That happens today. The spring meeting is expected to focus on high oil prices along with debt relief for poor countries.

A television news station became a crime scene yesterday. This is surveillance video from WDIV in Detroit. Police say a man, who had previously assaulted station employees, was inside the station's doors, when he shot a former employee. The suspect's family members say he had mental problems and didn't like the station's cameras. A station's secretary tried to warn the former employee to get out of the vestibule before he was shot.

Now, that person who was shot is in critical but stable condition. Prosecutors could file charges as early as today.

HARRIS: It has been a week now, and there's still no word on Sarah Lunde. The search for the missing Florida teenager expands this morning and we'll take you there live in a minute.

Tens of thousands of people take to the streets across China. We'll tell you why just ahead. We're going to see how hard it is so make smoke a color you want it to be, even for the Vatican.

NGUYEN: But in Florida, the search widens this morning for Sarah Michelle Lunde, missing for nearly a week. CNN's Sarah Dorsey is on the scene live in Ruskin, Florida, and she joins us now with the latest. Good morning, Sara.

DORSEY: Good morning to you, Betty.

First, we should mention, there is a $10,000 reward out for any information leading to the whereabouts of Sarah Lunde. As you said, her brother last saw her Saturday night. She was officially reported missing on Monday.

Today, the search is being expanded. 200 law enforcement agents are involved in this case right now. Yesterday, 200 searchers came out. Now it is the weekend, they are expecting far more searchers than they had during the week. Those people will be out on foot, ATV's. They will also be on horseback. There are helicopters in the sky still looking for Sarah. Divers have went down into the water trying to find any signs of this little girl. As of now there, is still no sign at all.

There is one person that police have named, that they have talking to. That is David Onstott. He is a 36-year-old convicted sex offender who had on again/off again relations with Sarah's mother. Now, he is currently in custody on unrelated charges. Apparently, the Saturday night that Sarah went missing he stopped by the home, actually in the very early morning hours of Sunday morning. So, investigators are speaking with him. They say he is cooperating. They are not naming him either a suspect or a person of interest at this point.

And I can tell you that things here, if investigators do have any information or any great leads, they're not sharing that with the media. With they did tell us yesterday we've had 75 leads, which really is not a lot in a case that is getting national media attention. Generally they get more sightings, more leads and more tips and they aren't coming in right now. Investigators here are hoping these searchers can find something. In fact, Sarah Lunde's mom is out here now. She was talking to investigators. She's joined in the search in the last few days. We expect her to be out again today.

Also, we were told yesterday Mark Lunsford, the father of Jessica Lunsford, who was killed by a sex offender in February, in Homosassass Springs, has been out here also helping with the search. We are expecting him out here again today. As of now, no signs of 13-year- old Sarah Lunde. Betty?

NGUYEN: Ann, we're expecting a news conference in the next hour from police. Hopefully we'll learn more information then. Sara Dorsey, thank you.

HARRIS: A California teenager missing for three weeks will be reunited with her parents. 14-year-old Ashley Markly has been located in Missouri. She was last seen March 29th with a 28-year-old friend, as they left a relative's house. Police are looking for the older woman.

In Salt Lake City, Mark Hacking pleaded guilty to murdering his wife last July. Lori hacking's body was found three months later in a landfill. Prosecutors pressed for life in prison when Hacking in sentenced in June.

Michael Schiavo has been cleared of allegations of abusing his late wife. Florida's Department of Children and Families investigated dozens of complaints, investigators says. They found no evidence that either Terri Schiavo's husband or parent exploited the woman.

NGUYEN: While they don't negotiate with hostage-takers, U.S. officials say they are doing all they can to secure Jeffrey Ake's release. The Indiana businessman was abducted from a Baghdad construction site on Monday. A video showing him surrounding by masked gunmen aired on Arab television Wednesday. Now the U.S. embassy in Iraq says it has a twenty-five member team searching for Ake.

Which brings us to our e-mail question today: current U.S. policy is not to negotiate with hostage-takers. Do you think that is the right thing to do? let us know. Send us your e-mails. Wam@CNN.com.

HARRIS: And now to "Security Watch" updating you on the week's major developments in the war on terror every Saturday morning. The Department of Homeland Security is putting up $142 million in grants to boost security for rail, bus and ferry travel. The grant money will be used for things like explosive detention and prevention of nuclear, biological and chemical attacks. The department gave only $50 million in grants last year.

New concerns over background checks for people working at the nation's airports. The Department of Homeland Security says it arrested 57 illegal immigrants last month who work at airports and other places that are at risk for attacks. All of the people worked in security-sensitive areas but none appeared to have ties to terrorism.

Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez says more nationwide fugitive roundups are likely in the future. Gonzalez cited the success of operation falcon a week-long dragnet. More than 10,000 criminals are picked up, including convicted and accused murderers, robbers, rapists. The operation was tied to National Crime Victim's Rights Week.

Stay tuned to CNN day and night for the most reliable news about your security.

NGUYEN: Thousands of Chinese take to the streets protesting Japan. Why are they angry?

HARRIS: Holy smokes! The chemistry behind how the Vatican sends the right signals. NGUYEN: We also say good morning, St. Louis. You're looking live over the city. Look at that beautiful arch this morning. Rob Marciano is here with the forecast when we come back.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:: Do you swear that the testimony you're about to give before this committee will be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you god?

KEN STARR FMR SPECIAL PROSECUTOR: I do.

HARRIS: Special prosecutor Ken Starr spent five years and $50 million investigating President Clinton, which started as a probe into the Whitewater land deal culminated into the 445-page "Starr Report," detailing a salacious relationship with White House intern Monica Lewinsky and other allegations.

STARR: The president chose deception, a pattern of calculated behavior over a span of months.

HARRIS: President Clinton survived the resulting impeachment. Starr stepped into private life and out of the beltway. He and his wife, Alice, now live in southern California. They have three children. Star is the dean of Pepperdine School of Law and says very little about the Clinton investigation but in a recent interview he called it challenging times that made his faith deepen.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

NGUYEN: Losing weight just might be simple as finding out your brain what it's craving. The authors of "Eat Right for your Brain Type," they join us tomorrow morning, live. It's a unique approach to dieting, right here, live on CNN SUNDAY, 9:00 eastern.

HARRIS: And our morning business block kicks off that the half- hour, and at 9:30 a.m. eastern, we are dealing with an overhyped housing market. Well, that's the question, that's on "Open House" with Gerri Willis. Join the DOLANS UNSCRIPTED, live, at 10:00 a.m. eastern.

And another small business get headed in the right direction on the TURNAROUND with Ali Belshi at 11:00. We'll be right back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

HARRIS: Time now for a quick check of some of the other stories making news around the world.

NGUYEN: There have been more anti-Japanese protests in China. We're wanting the latest on that and the rest of the international news roundup, let's hand it over to Anand Naidoo.

ANAND NAIDOO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, and thank you. Yes, that's right, there have been more anti-Japan protests in China. Tens of thousands of protestors taking to the streets in the capital Beijing as well as in Shanghai. Protesters threw stones and broke windows at Japan's consulate and Japanese restaurants in Shanghai. The demonstrations erupted despite government cause for calm. The U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan called for the easing of tensions this week.

Police stood guard at Beijing's Tiananmen Square to block a planned demonstration in the center of the capital. Japan is demanding China ensure the safety of its citizens in China. These protests are aimed at Japan because Chinese are very upset at what they say is Japan's approval of controversial textbooks which downplay the role that Japan played in China during the Second World War and the Chinese are opposed to Japan Becoming a public member of the new U.N. Security Council.

NAIDOO: Now on to Pakistan, tensions are rising there, as security forces storm a plane and obtain opposition leader Asif Ali Zardari. Earlier the government blocked rallies by Zardari's Pakistan People's Party. More than 5,000 party members and members of parliament have been arrested. Zardari is the husband of the former Pakistan President Benazir Bhutto. He was returning from visiting her in Dubai -- that's where she lives in self-imposed exile -- when the disruptions erupted there in Lahai in Pakistan. That is all from me for now. But stay with CNN, and we'll be monitoring world developments throughout your day, for now, though, let's send it back to Tony.

HARRIS: The Vatican has used smoke to announce the election of a new pope since at least 1878, but achieving the necessary color of smoke, black or white, has been a process of trial and error threw the years.

CNN technology correspondent Daniel Seiberg explores some of the ways it might be done.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

DANIEL SEIBERG, CNN TECHNOLOGY CORRESPONDENT: In an age when the Holy See used a laptop and the pope's followers used the latest technology to witness his burial, both sides were relying on an ancient form of communication -- smoke signals, to alert the world about a new pope, white smoke if they've decided, black if they haven't. It's the Vatican's equivalent of avoiding a hanging chad. You see, cardinals are not chemists. In 1978, there was confusion over the smoke's color from the Sistine Chapel chimney, leading to some premature celebration.

White smoke isn't just good news for the church, it's also good news for the fire department. When they say white smoke they know they're making progress with the fire. We decided to enlist their help for a little experiment.

So, we've got some mock ballots here, we're going to throw these in as part of our experiment, and we're going to light it from the bottom. This is like our makeshift chimney here. During the conclave, the words "I elect as Supreme Pontiff..." in Latin, are burned after each vote. In our first set up, we also added dry straw.

Now it's getting -- now it's getting -- it's almost going back and forth.

A mix of black and white at first, not exactly definitive.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:: Fairly dark.

SEIBERG: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:: As you can see and it would do so until all of the straw and/or the paper has been burned away completely. Of course, unless there is the introduction of water, which will make the smoke white.

SEIBERG: And when we tried the damp straw and water, a more dramatic outcome.

Why does the water make the smoke white?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Basically the water is the cooling agent that's coming together with the heat.

SEIBERG: These days, to get a more uniform plume, the cardinals add coloring agents, and maybe something more homemade.

TRACY MORKIN, EMORY UNIVERSITY: We started with extra original olive oil because we read somewhere on a website that extra virgin olive oil was used to make the smoke blacker.

SEIBERG: Tracy Morkin is a doctor of chemistry at Emory University. She said it wouldn't be hard to created blackened effect using any number of flammable products.

MORKIN: What makes it black is the fact that what you're burn something carbon-based. These are carbon-based liquids that generally don't burn very cleanly or the combustion isn't complete, so the black comes from carbon.

SEIBERG: But for this conclave, the Vatican will not rely entirely on the accuracy of its color code. This time, at the request of high tech inspired John Paul II, bells will also toll so that there will be no doubt when the successor is chosen.

Daniel Seiberg, CNN, Atlanta.

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HARRIS: Boy, you got to get that one right.

What news of the day is topping the charts at CNN.com? Here's a hint: one of the biggest stories is about an eight-legged mom. More on that story when CNN SATURDAY MORNING returns. NGUYEN: Still stuck on that eight-legged mom. All right, let's move forward.

First a CNN extra: more than 400 students at 18 colleges are being sued for illegally downloading music and movies over the internet. It's called "Internet Two," which is the network where they downloaded those movies and music. The federal copyright lawsuits were filed by the Recording Industry Association of America, the Motion Picture Association of America is also planning to file.

The internet-2 network was created for academic purposes and is not available to the public. Users can download a song in about 20 seconds and in about five minutes for a movie.

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HARRIS: I'm just doing things, I don't understand. I know -- we know for a fact that everyday many of you head straight to CNN.com to learn more about some of the stories and the news. It's always interesting to see which stories are getting the most clicks. Veronica de la Cruz of the CNN.com desk is here to highlight some of the day's most popular stories. We haven't seen in you a while. Have you got some good stuff for us today?

VERONICA DE LA CRUZ, CNN.COM CORRESPONDENT: I've got great stuff for...

HARRIS: First of all, it's good to see you.

DE LA CRUZ: It's so nice to see you. And you know, I want to say -- I want to challenge you out there on the ice. You're looking pretty good.

NGUYEN: Whatever!

HARRIS: No, no, no, no, she's challenging me because she used to skate. You still do? You used to.

DE LA CRUZ: I did, sometimes. One of these days, but first, let's get to the stories.

To find them, Tony, you're going to go to our main page and click on the icon most popular on the right-hand side of your screen or you can type in CNN.com/most popular.

Our No. 1 story on the web, right now, well, it's going to take more than a shark attack to keep some surfers out of the water, and here's proof, Tony. A man in his 30s was surfing off the coast of Australia when he was attacked by a seven-foot shark. A lifeguard says the man wedged his surfboard between himself and the shark. The shark took two bites out of the board and then disappeared. The man rode his damaged board in, got a replaced and headed back out into the water.

HARRIS: Come on!

DE LA CRUZ: Yes, he did. The lifeguard said he was, quote, "very laid back about it."

HARRIS: They're hardy like that, the Australians. They are.

DE LA CRUZ: All right, Tony. For another hot story, meet Aurora. This new mom has eight arms and nine babies. Aurora the octopus is saying hello to motherhood after trying for almost a year. Nine of her eggs have finally hatched. Last year, scientists at a sea life center in Alaska started draining her tank, thinking her eggs weren't fertile. Luckily an intern noticed eyes developing in some of the eggs. So, of course you guys are going to help me congratulate Aurora, right?

HARRIS: How do we do that, just two, four, six, we'll get there...

DE LA CRUZ: We have the eight arms. We need one more person -- and Rob has another pair of arms.

HARRIS: That's right.

DE LA CRUZ: We can welcome Aurora.

HARRIS: Veronica, all those of items at CNN.com.

DE LA CRUZ: Of course.

NGUYEN: All right, very interesting.

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NGUYEN: In case you didn't get your fill of headlines this is week, let's rewind through some of the big stories of the past two days.

Tuesday, the World Health Organization urged labs to destroy samples of a potentially deadly flu virus that were sent out by mistake. The flu's strain triggered the 1957 Asian flu pandemic.

Wednesday, an FDA advisory panel recommended silicone breast implants made by the Mentor Corporation be allowed back on the market, but only if they follow certain conditions. A day earlier, it decided not to recommend silicone implants by Inamed (ph); that's a company that also makes the implant. Silicone breast implants have been off the market since 1992 because of health concerns.

Also Wednesday, lawmakers on Capitol Hill said there is a clear need for federal regulations to protect victims of identity theft. The congressional hearing follows a string of security breaches at companies that sell personal data, such as Choicepoint and Lexis- Nexis.

And tomorrow, we will fast forward to the week ahead and tell you which story will grab the spotlight.

HARRIS: The current U.S. policy is not to negotiate with hostage takers. What do you think? We're reading your e-mails when CNN SATURDAY MORNING return.

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NGUYEN: We have quite a show coming up for you, we're talking about the Dolans at 10:00 a.m. eastern. We have them now to talk about what's coming up on the show. Hey, there.

KEN DOLAN, CO-HOST, "DOLANS UNSCRIPTED": Betty, nice to see you. You know, the markets started off really like, really crummy this past week. That was the good news. Friday, yesterday, one of the worst days in two years. Where to we go from here? What do you do when you put your 401K in stuff? We're going to talk about it.

DARIA DOLAN, CO-HOST, "DOLANS UNSCRIPTED": Also, Betty, the Vatican is about to choose a new pope, but the new pope's going to have to have some real money savvy. We're going to talk about that, and a very interesting sit-down we had with Former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neil, talking Social Security and health care problems.

K. DOLAN: Easy hour, Betty.

NGUYEN: Talking money, that's what I like to hear -- thanks.

K. DOLAN: Thanks, Betty. Say hi to Tony.

NGUYEN: All right.

HARRIS: Hey, guys. And all morning long, we've been asking for your thoughts on our email question. Here it is: what do you think, do you believe the U.S. should negotiate with hostage takers?

And this from Janet in Indiana this morning: "Absolutely not!!! If they start getting 'rewards' for their behavior, it will only be repeated more often. Think basic Pavlov response!"

NGUYEN: Well, Richard from Pensacola does not agree. He says, "Yes. US policy has been a miserable example to others and a colossal failure. Other countries are now making their own decisions, working with terrorists and saving lives."

HARRIS: And this from T.K. in western Iraq: "As an American contractor currently working in Iraq I can say with great resolve that the American government should not negotiate with terrorists. It is a good policy and one that should be upheld. All of us know the dangers of our jobs and do it anyway in support of the military."

Thanks again for your e-mail responses this morning; we appreciate it, and we'll have another question tomorrow at wam@cnn.com.

NGUYEN: Right now we want to thank you for joining us today. We will see you again tomorrow morning, hope so.

HARRIS: "OPEN HOUSE" is straight ahead, but first, these stories now in the news.

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