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159 Feared Dead, Eight Alive After Plane Crashes in India; Stock Experts See More Volatility Ahead; Europe Scrutinizes Google on Privacy
Aired May 22, 2010 - 06:00 ET
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T.J. HOLMES, CNN ANCHOR: Oh, hey there, everybody. Good morning. Welcome to this CNN SATURDAY MORNING for this Saturday, May the 22nd. I'm T.J. It's 6 a.m., where I sit here in Atlanta, Georgia, but it's 3:30 in the afternoon in southern India.
And that's where we need to start with some tragic news, where we're hearing that 159 people are feared dead. This happened after a plane overshoots the runway. The plane has crashed in a hilly, woody area in southern India.
But the good news is, there are survivors. We can show you some of the pictures now we are getting. One in particular that really touched us all - you see it there behind me. This is of a young child being pulled from the rubble. You see her being carried there by an emergency worker. And also covered in some of that foam that was being used to douse some of the flames in that plane.
This child not the only survivor. We will have the latest from the India live here in just a moment.
Also, the controversy a lot of people here in this country have been following that has been dubbed the "Texas textbook massacre." Yes, the Texas State Board of Education has now approved changes to curriculum that some say actually changes history. And the fear is that, yes, this is in Texas, but it could be coming to a textbook near you. We'll explain.
So let's take a look at some of the stories also making headlines right now.
The woman who helped kidnap Elizabeth Smart is getting 15 years in federal prison. You see her there, Wanda Eileen Barzee. She is 64 years old. She has now agreed to cooperate with the government in the case against her now-estranged husband, Brian David Mitchell. The two abducted Elizabeth Smart when she was 14 from her Utah home. That was back in 2002. Police then found that teenager some nine months later.
Well, a man who helped cater events for the U.S. Embassy in Pakistan is now under arrest in connection with the Times Square bombing plot. The catering company is believed to have ties to extremist groups. The caterer is one of six men under arrest in Pakistan in connection with the Times Square bombing. The U.S. Embassy took a rare step in issuing an alert, telling other embassies not to use that catering company. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, she's in China, but she's talking about North Korea. She's calling for - quote - "an international response." An investigation has shown that North Korea was actually responsible for that sinking of that South Korean back in March. It killed some 46 seamen there.
That North Korea ship, actually, the investigation shows, torpedoed that South Korean vessel. Now, the North is threatening - quote - "war" if they are punished with sanctions or anything else. Clinton actually is in China for strategic and economic talks.
Want to head back to what - the story we've been seeing overnight, that plane that crashed in southern India. Again, 158 are feared dead. This happened last night, maybe while some of you were sleeping or doing other things on your Friday night. It was about - about 9:00 Eastern Time last night. You see the location there in Mangalore. This was at the Mangalore International Airport. There were 166 people onboard that plane, among then six crew members.
We do have word of eight survivors at this point. The plane was coming into India from Dubai. Now, Air India - it was an Air India Express plane. Air India is certainly reaching out to a lot of relatives of those who were onboard that flight. Also, offering free passage to India for some of the - the people who might want to go check on their relatives.
Our Stan Grant joins us now live from Dubai.
Stan, just give us an update, any update we might have on numbers. We hear 158 feared dead. We're hearing the number of eight survivors. Any updates there?
STAN GRANT, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, that's right, T.J. Eight people so far, we understand, have been taken from that wreckage and - and are being treated for injuries.
They are hoping that that number of survivors will actually increase. You say there were 166 people were aboard that plane. I know at the start of your show, you talked about an image of a child onboard. Well, I can tell you 19 children were among the passengers; four of those also were infants. So they're hoping that some of those people may have managed to survive.
Let me tell you what actually took place here. It was an Air India flight leaving from Dubai to Mangalore. It left just after 1 a.m. in Dubai. About a four or five-hour journey to Mangalore, which is in southern India.
Now, according to eyewitnesses, the plane actually touched down but then veered off the runway towards tree. And that's when they saw a lot of smoke coming from - from the plane. The plane caught fire.
Of course, (INAUDIBLE) rescuers are now on - on hand there, trying to sift through that - that - that wreckage and see if they can pull any more people from that. It's going to be some time until they actually find out what may have led to the accident, what caused the plane to veer off that runway.
Now, it flew from Dubai, which is a big hub, a big transport hub in this region. About 40 million people a year pass through the airports here, 200 different destinations, over 100 different airlines are flying from here. This one to southern India; a lot of people in Dubai are from India. Around about 45 to 50 percent of the population, about two million people from India living here, many of those working in the construction industry, many very low - lowly paid migrant workers.
This is a budget airline, Air India. For some of these people, it would have been their first chance to go home in perhaps two or three years. Their holidays don't come around all that often here. But ending in tragedy for so many of these people. As you say, eight people so far believed to have survived; most people of the course, of the 166, perished in this accident.
The investigation, of course, is continuing, T.J.
HOLMES: And like you say, Stan, we're hoping the numbers of survivors could possibly go up.
Stan Grant for us in Dubai, we appreciate you. We'll check in with you again.
We do want to turn to another story that we've been keeping an eye on for a month now. Oil still spilling into the Gulf, folks. It's been doing this for a full month now.
There's live video we have now, finally. There it is. It's coming to us from BP. They sent this out, finally just made this live feed available after they were prodded by members of Congress. But there it is. This has been happening for a month. It continues to happen as we speak.
We're also getting this morning, President Obama has officially named a bipartisan commission to investigate this particular accident and leak, and also to keep this from happening again.
Now, scientists right now disagreeing on exactly how much oil is spilling out. You look at that picture; your guess is just as good as BP's at this point. BP had estimated, and other officials, that some 5,000 barrels a day were gushing out. That would estimate about 210,000 gallons. Well, there are some that say, at least a million a half, so four million gallons a day have been pouring out into the Gulf. So it's anybody's guess at this point.
BP is going to try something else, another possible method to try to stop this leak. It's something they're calling "the top kill" method. They hope to try that sometime early next week. A lot of people are wondering why the White House hasn't taken control, or better control, of this whole mess in the first place.
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ROBERT GIBBS, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: The technical expertise to clean up and deal with the equipment that is 5,000 feet below the surface of the sea - that's equipment that BP has. That's the equipment that other oil companies have. That is not - that is not based on equipment that the federal government has in storage.
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HOLMES: All right. BP has tried several methods so far. None have worked. So they're going to try this new one next week. This is called the top-kill method.
How's this thing work? They're going to pump fluid into the site of the leak, just rush it in there. They're going to have some thick, sticky liquid that's supposed to be twice the density of water to try to fill it up. Now, the leak will then be sealed with cement.
They tried these things before. The problem is, they've never been tried at such a depth. Again, this is some 5,000 feet down. Now, BP says the earliest his method will be attempted is sometime on Tuesday. And once again, that is a live picture of what's happening a mile below the surface of the water, as this oil and natural gas as well continue to leak out.
But again, no one seems to be able to tell us exactly how much oil is leaking out.
A reminder, if you want to watch that live feed, you can check it out anytime you want to, CNN.com, The live, streaming footage from a mile below the surface, available at CNN.com, live.
Well, I don't know if you've seen al of city-council meetings in your day. I certainly have, as - covering them and coming up as a reporter. Not usually a whole lot exciting going on, if you will. Doesn't really make for great television.
But in Connecticut, they do things a little differently. Take a look at what happens if you go over your time limit. The man at the center of the fight - well, he's going to be fighting back, possibly with a lawsuit.
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HOLMES: Well, you ever watch those public-access cable channels? Sometimes you watch city-council meetings and other things take place. Democracy at work is not always the most exciting stuff, unless you're in Bridgeport, Connecticut.
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HOLMES: Well, you might be thinking, maybe a couple of citizens get into it. No, that's a city councilwoman stirring it up with a guy who went over his allotted time. You see him being pushed and shoved over there on the right. And that's the city councilwoman you see standing on the left. Now, apparently, she put her finger in his face after he went over the time limit. The man claims the councilwoman was also making faces at him while he was speaking. Now, you see this, once again, taking place. The guy apparently goes to just about every city-council meeting. Council members say he's always got something to say, something to complain about.
Well, he's complaining now about his bad back, and is threatening a lawsuit.
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CECIL YOUNG, BRIDGEPORT, CONNECTICUT RESIDENT: And I'm thinking justice. I'm thinking justice.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What's justice?
YOUNG: Justice means an apology, taking care of my damages, whatever they may be, OK? Apologizing to the public, and anything else. And - and - and I hope it will constantly increase within the moments (ph) if they don't up show up within the moments (ph).
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HOLMES: Well, we'll see if he gets justice. The mayor was not at the meeting, but says he's disappointed with everybody's conduct at that meeting.
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HOLMES: A lot of people are keeping an eye on what's happening on Wall Street over the past month, really. It's been an interesting recent couple of days, even weeks. Had that "flash crash," as some called it. Triple-digit gains, triple-digit losses. Investors seeing their portfolios just go all over the place.
Josh Levs trying to help you understand what's going on with these ups and downs and possibly what we could see coming up next.
Good morning to you, Josh.
JOSH LEVS, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: Hey, good morning to you.
It was an ugly day yesterday. A lot of people worried all over the place.
What I'm going to do next is, I'm going to take us on a visual ride over the past month and the past year that shows what's happening with your money even if you're not heavily invested in stocks. Plus, what to do now, depending where you are in life.
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HOLMES: Well, one place you don't want drama necessarily is on Wall Street. You do not want to see all these dramatic ups and downs, especially if your portfolio depends on which way those arrows go. Our Josh Levs here with us to explain why we have seen so much drama in the past couple of days, weeks ...
LEVS: Yes.
HOLMES: ...and month or so.
Good morning to you again.
LEVS: Good morning again to you.
Well, you want some dramatic ups once in awhile, right?
HOLMES: Yes.
LEVS: You just don't want the yang that goes with that yin.
So, yes, you're right. And yesterday was a particularly striking day.
Let's just take a look at what's happened. Just one example here. We got the Dow for this week. I just want to show you the trajectory of what's been going on.
Look where it started, and look where it ended up. Now, yesterday, we actually were about - up about 125 points for the day. But we were still down for the week. Now, it's been similar, S&P and NASDAQ.
Some of what's been troubling the markets has been Europe. But there have also been just the lingering effects of the economic crisis.
So what should you do? Well, fortunately, at CNN, we have some of the best financial minds. I'm going to play for you now a little piece of sound that comes from our Ali Velshi and Christine Romans, telling you what you should do next.
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ALI VELSHI, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The small investor, the one who's got a 401(k) or an IRA or a 403(b), should they be selling? Should they be sitting on their hands? What are people telling you?
CHRISTINE ROMANS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: You know, look - I mean, if you need money in the next year or two - you're going to need that money and it's in the stock market - are you nuts? I mean, we've come off of this crazy, crazy 18 months. If you - if you need the money right away, you shouldn't be gambling in the stock market.
It's what we all talk about: risk capital (ph). What - what are you - what do you have that you can invest for the future, and what's your time horizon? There are plenty of people who say that if you are buying in the market consistently through your 401(k) or through your retirement plan, that you're getting all kinds of different prices for things, and in the end, it - it will average out. But if you are - if you are close to retirement, you're watching these markets, and you're saying, 'I can't take this volatility.'
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LEVS: You're going to get a lot more from them in "YOUR MONEY," which is at 1:00 Eastern, although the official is "Your Dollar Sign, Dollar Sign, Dollar Sign, Dollar Sign, Dollar Sign."
One piece of good news: Take a look at where we were a year ago. This is the Dow. Look, we are up substantially from a year ago. Similarly over here with the NASADAQ. Boom, boom, boom. It keeps going up. Here's the S&P.
So we have seen some rise over the past year. It helps long-term investors keep in mind that you're not losing everything at all.
But T.J., hopefully, a little bit of good advice for people who have been struggling over the last five days there.
HOLMES: Yes, something there. All right. Josh Levs, we appreciate you. We'll be talking to you again here shortly.
LEVS: Thanks, guys (ph).
HOLMES: Google also putting your Internet security in question, and sending cars around the world to map your neighborhood. But they're also getting a glimpse inside your Wi-Fi world.
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HOLMES: Well, taking a look now at some of the stories making headlines this morning.
A brief reunion in Iran for three American hikers who are being held there. They had the reunion with their mothers. The moms have since left, however. The Iranian government has accused the hikers of spying. They've been held in Iran now for almost a year. Tehran did not give a date or timeline for their release, but the visit is regarded as a breakthrough.
President Obama has signed a memorandum to cap mileage and pollution on big trucks. The new standards would apply to big trucks and buses for models between 2014 and 2018.These tighter standards for SUVs and cars will kick in by 2017.
Well, public-health officials investigating a salmonella outbreak that infected 22 people across 10 states, and it's being linked to raw alfalfa sprouts. According to the CDC, (INAUDIBLE) people have been hospitalized. The California-based company is recalling all the raw alfalfa products from three brands, because they may be contaminated.
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HOLMES: Well, Google seems to know what you've been doing online. And while gathering information for one of their more popular features, Google got much more than just pictures of your street.
CNN's Brian Todd with the details.
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BRIAN TODD, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Rolling through the streets with a camera rolling on top. They're called Street View Cars, and they've been used by Google to create one of the most sophisticated map systems anywhere online.
These cars have taken detailed images of thousands of streets in dozens of countries.
(on camera): To find an address with Google Maps, you type it in up here. I'm typing in an address where we're going to be doing an interview for this story. Hit "Search." It goes from the satellite map there to this map. And then when you click "More," you can go to Street View, and it actually gives you a picture of the facade of the building so that you can ID it when you get there. And it offers a 360-degree view of it.
So with my producer Dougall (ph) driving, not too hard to find this address here in D.C. where we're going to do our interview and get to it on time. So clearly, the Google map system, the Street View system, very efficient.
Now, Google has had issues with people not wanting their addresses filmed, not wanting their license plates to be taken. So Google has worked to address those issues.
Now, Google is accused of actually using that Street View map system in its cars to pick up Wi-Fi signals and download some very personal information.
(voice-over): The problem is that along with those cameras was a powerful Wi-Fi receiver, able to pick up unprotected wireless networks and signals everywhere, including in private homes the Google cars drove by.
Those cars downloaded and recorded so-called "payload data," Web sites people were surfing, even e-mails they sent.
Google says it never realized this was happening.
That address I found through Google's Street View, for Marc Rotenberg of the Electronic Privacy Information Center, a privacy advocate.
(on camera): Google says this was inadvertent, it was a mistake and a - basically, a programming error that was made in 2006.
MARC ROTENBERG, ELECTRONIC PRIVACY INFORMATION CENTER: Well, you know, accidental or inadvertent, I think, it's something that happens once. It happens because something overlooks something; it's something that happens in a particular place.
What happened with Google's Street View took place over a three-year period in 30 countries involving most of the major cities in the world. It's very hard, I think, to imagine that as an accidental action. TODD (voice-over): Rotenberg says Google could have broken wiretapping laws. Irish and German officials have launched investigations. A spokesman for the U.S. Federal Trade Commission wouldn't comment on reports that it might look into this.
ROTENBERG: We just came up with a network called Net Gear.
TODD (on camera): Not protected?
ROTENBERG: Not protected.
TODD (on camera): Driving through D.C. using Rotenberg's iPad computer, we could easily pick up where all of the Wi-Fi signals were, see which ones were secure, which ones weren't.
ROTENBERG: We'll see if we can get online with that. Look at that. Look at the Washington, D.C., weather report.
TODD: How could Google use the payload data competitively? Rotenberg says if Google wants to become an Internet provider, it would have an advantage knowing where all the wireless networks are.
In a blog post, Google's chief engineer says the company never wanted and would never use that information.
(on camera): Google now says it's working to delete as much of that payload data as it can. It's working with regulators from several countries to address this issue, and in the meantime has grounded its fleet of Street View cars.
Brian Todd, CNN, Washington.
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HOLMES: Well, the big debate in Texas is over what kids there in Texas will learn in their textbooks. But a lot of people are concerned that what happens in Texas will then reverberate across the country, and could be coming to your child's textbook at some point.
No matter where you live, the school board in Texas says they're just trying to balance the books. Officials voted late last night on a controversy that's been going on for months. We'll have the latest on the decision they made and how it could play out.
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HOLMES: Hey there, everybody. Bottom of the hour now. Welcome back to this CNN SATURDAY MORNING. I am T.J. Holmes. Glad you could be with here with us.
Let's give you a look at some of the stories making headlines overnight.
Up first, a deadly plane crash in tell you about in India. You are seeing some of the latest pictures we are getting. It was an Air India jet. It went down while trying to land in Mangalore. This is in the southwestern coast of India. Apparently it overshot the runway and there was also some pretty tough weather going on at the time; 158 people are feared dead. But there are some survivors, at least eight. The pilot didn't report any problems before that crash.
A man who helped cater events for the U.S. embassy in Pakistan is under arrest in connection with the Times Square bombing plot. That catering company is believed to have ties to extremists. The caterer is one of six men under arrest in Pakistan in connection with the plot. The U.S. embassy issued alert not to use the catering company, issued that alert to other Americans abroad.
A judge sentenced the woman who helped kidnap Elizabeth Smart to 15 years in prison. Wanda Eileen Barzee has agreed to testify against her husband, Brian David Mitchell. The two abducted Elizabeth Smart from her Utah home back in 2002 when she was 14 years old. Elizabeth Smart was then found some nine months later.
Let's take you back. Take a look at that, happening over my shoulder. That's a live picture coming to you from about a mile beneath the surface of the water in the Gulf. Let's show that picture full to people. But this is a live now picture of what's happening and has been happening for about a month now since that oil leak. Oil continues, as we speak, to continue to come out. Now, a lot of people are starting to now analyze these pictures trying to figure out how much oil is being spilled into the Gulf of Mexico.
Now, there's certainly several estimates out there. One estimate we have been getting and using from BP is 5,000 barrels a day have been leaking, but many others say it could be as much as 10 times that amount that's been leaking. President Obama expected to announce the commission to look into preventing future oil spills. Meanwhile, the government is telling BP to use less toxic chemicals to disperse the oil. Apparently, there's plenty available as our Ed Lavandera found out.
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ED LAVANDERA, CNN INT'L. CORRESPONDENT (voice over): Hundreds of containers are just sitting here in the Houston sun. To some it is just another example of the mismanagement of the oil spill. The containers are full of a chemical dispersant called Sea-Brat 4. Why is it sitting here and not in the ocean instead? No one really knows especially since BP is on record as saying it would use the stuff.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We also have a second product now identified to use called Sea-Brat 4 which we will beginning introducing into the process as well.
LAVANDERA (On camera): That is what BP said almost a week ago, but we found the Sea-Brat 4 just sitting here in an industrial park outside of Houston, Texas. You're looking at it. Almost 100,000 gallons of the less toxic dispersant. Guess who ordered it? BP did. On May 4th, almost three weeks ago.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is Sea Brat it is in totes ready for delivering. LAVANDERA (voice over): John Sheffield is president of the company that makes Sea-Brat 4.
(On camera): Do you think it's weird that the stuff is just sitting here in the Houston area?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. I think something is intentionally trying to stop us from getting our product to the water.
LAVANDERA: EPA and Coast Guard officials say there's nothing stopping BP from using Sea-Brat 4. Sheffield says that by now he could be making 50,000 to 100,000 gallons of dispersant a day. But a BP spokesman will only say that the company had to use what was readily available and stockpiled, and it has been asked to find alternatives to the current dispersant Corexit and that is what they are in the process of doing it.
Getting a direct answer is even hard for Congress to get as they grilled BP Executive Lamar MacKay this week about the issue.
REP. JERROLD NADLER, (D) NEW YORK: Who decided which dispersant to use? BP?
LAMAR MACKAY, CEO, BRITISH PETROLEUM: I don't know --
NADLER: You don't know?
MACKAY: I don't know the individual who decided which --
NADLER: I didn't ask the individual. Was it the BP who decided or was the government who or the National Incident Command.
MACKAY: I don't know.
NADLER: You don't know. Could you find out for us please?
MACKAY: Yes.
LAVANDERA: Easier said than done. There's still no word on who's making that call while 100,000 gallons of potential help sits hundreds of miles of away. Ed Lavandera, CNN, Houston.
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HOLMES: On the topic of chemicals and toxic things, why exactly are chemicals banned from being using in other countries but allowed in everyday products here in America? You can watch "Toxic America," a two-night special investigation with our Doctor Sanjay Gupta, June 2nd and 3rd at 8:00 o'clock Eastern.
On the topic of BP, they have been trying several things to try to stop that oil leak. They're going to try a new way to cap it and they expect to do this next week. It is called the top kill method. It works by pumping fluid into the leak. It is going to happen really quickly. Just a rush of fluid. This is a thick sticky liquid that is supposed to be twice the density of water. The leak will then be sealed with cement. This hasn't been tried before at such a depth. Again, we are talking about 5,000 feet down. BP says the earliest they will try this top kill attempt will be Tuesday.
Well, turn to Texas now. The story we have been watch and the nation watching for some time now and some dubbed it the Texas textbook massacre. A contentious vote has taken place that will debate what will happen inside Texas classrooms. The State Board of Education in Texas has approved now amended guidelines for textbooks that will be used over the next 10 years. But some civil rights activists and other historians, as well, see this as an attempt to rewrite history while some members of the board say they're just trying to balance things out a bit. More now from News 8 Austin's Karina Kling.
KARINA KLING, NEWS 8 AUSTIN: Yes, T.J., the State Board of Education voted 9 to 5 to adopt new social studies and history standards for Texas school children in all grade levels. It has been a process full of battles over political ideologies and a board split by political parties. But Friday the social conservative majority came out on top.
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A few smiles from State Board of Education members early Friday morning as a show choir from the Ft. Worth area serenaded them before the anticipated final battle over a final vote on social studies standards began. It didn't take long for that tone to turn around and emotions to run high.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I love kids. And I think when we start doing things to make life more difficult for children we are doing it wrong. And I think that's where we are.
KLING: After more than an hour debating whether to include Thomas Jefferson and James Madison in high school world history standards dealing with influential philosophers, board members kept Jefferson, but not Madison.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is embarrassing. This is totally embarrassing.
KLING: Criticisms over last-minute amendments and nitpicking word changes throughout the curriculum reached late afternoon Friday as the outnumbered Democratic contingent once again called for a delay to let the appointed experts, not board make the final decision on a document they say is a completely new piece of work.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This thing belongs in the trash.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: These books, oh, we don't want to read these. My gosh, they deal with Hispanics, Hispanic issues.
KLING: The debate around religious freedom surfaced yet again as some Democrats tried to add the wording, barring the government from favoring one religion over another, in reference to separation of church and state. It failed. And one by one-
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We need to finish. We are done today.
KLING: The seven social conservatives and one other shot down a vote to delay.
And shortly thereafter an exhausted and divided board made their own history in voting to approve what will be in Texas kids' history books for the next 10 years.
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KLING: New economic standards were also approved Friday but with a unanimous vote over two days of board debate, more than 200 new amendments were offered up by board members. Those who wanted to delay say they will try and take up the issue again in January when a new board is in place. Back to you, T.J.
HOLMES: Coming up next, we are going inside the mind of the admitted terrorist. Exclusive one-on-one interview with a captured Al Qaeda member who admits to planning terrorist attacks against Americans.
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HOLMES: You can't get more classic when it comes to video games than Pac-Man. Pac-Man turned 30 this week. And all of you out there who Google, you had to know that something was up because they actually put this up. Google, you know, they change this, Christmas, if it is some holiday, or celebration of some kind. They'll change their home page. And you could actually play Pac-Man on Google's home page, as you went for a search.
Pac-Man, you know, know it well. It is the most successful coin- operated video game in history. It got to the U.S. from Japan; it became an iconic symbol in the '80s. Did you know the original Japanese name was Puck Man. Pac-Man spawned more than 400 products, including a cartoon, a cereal, and also a hit song.
Now that just says hit song, Bonnie, in the script I see and not familiar with the song. Do we have the song? We'll try to get that later this morning. Anybody? Nobody. Everybody's shaking their head here in the studio.
BONNIE SCHNEIDER, CNN METEOROLOGIST: No, I don't remember that. But I do remember playing and Pac-Man and Ms Pac-Man, in the arcade.
HOLMES: Ms. Pac-Man!
SCHNEIDER: Pac-man fever they used to call it.
HOLMES: OK. That helps.
SCHNEIDER: All right.
HOLMES: Well, all right. You take a look at weather for us this weekend. A little something for everybody almost with this weather. Fire danger, as well. Yeah. Fire danger and we are also tracking a lot of severe weather we saw over the past couple of days. It has been such a volatile severe weather season.
You have got to see these pictures out of Missouri, where a tornado touched down in the Sadalia (ph) area. Incredible pictures coming to us from Missouri. It was a rough go of it this week. We can see that funnel cloud really as it touches down. Remember the wind direction that you see there on this picture, it is an updraft. So the wind is sort of lifting debris across a good portion of the skyline there. It is fascinating to see and this is courtesy of our affiliate KMBC, in Missouri. Thank you for showing that in Johnson County.
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HOLMES: Well, who are the most impersonated artist of all time? Probably you would say Elvis, a lot of those impersonators running around. Also a lot of Michael Jackson impersonators. So, if I said wanted to show you another Michael Jackson impersonator, you would say been there, done that, seen it. You have not seen one quite like this little guy. A four-year-old who's is taking China by storm, and now bringing the act to the U.S.
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HOLMES: Give you a quick look at the stories making headlines right now. The mothers of three American hikers detained in Iran are on their way home but without their children. They had hoped to convince Iranian leaders to let their kids go. The kids have been held in Iran since July 31st of last year after they wandered into the country from Iraq. Now, the young people have been accused of spying.
President Obama is going after commercial gas guzzlers. He wants fuel economy standards and pollution limits on big rig trucks by the year 2014. He's hopes it will save gas and cut the cost of the stuff they are hauling. He is giving federal agencies a year to come up with some standards.
And a salmonella outbreak is being traced back to alfalfa sprouts; 22 people in 10 states have gotten sick. Four have been sick enough they had to go to the hospital. Caldwell Fresh Foods, this company, they are now recalling alfalfa sprouts distributed under three of its brands.
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HOLMES: You know, you've seen a lot of Michael Jackson impersonators in your day, probably. A lot of wannabes out there, you can find them just about anywhere. But there is one we are going to show you now who really stands out above the crowd, even though he barely stands above your waist. CNN's Emily Chang reports from Beijing.
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EMILY CHANG, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice over): In the mornings, Xiao Bao is just like any other four-year-old. Getting dressed, washing up, but not long after that, it becomes quite clear he is far from average.
(On camera): How are you? How -- good. Good. We're excited to see you dance today. He may be China's youngest Michael Jackson impersonator.
All right, buddy. This is it. Let's see what you can do. He knows how to hip pop, pop and lock, and moonwalk and already gotten more attention than most aspiring super stars get in a lifetime. Bopping and bouncing his way through national talent competitions and television shows and now going global. Xiao Bao recently rocked out on "The Ellen Show" in Los Angeles.
ELLEN DEGENERES, TALK SHOW HOST: Who's your favorite dancer?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Michael Jackson.
DEGENERES: Michael Jackson.
CHANG: It's more than his parents ever hoped for. Chao Bao was born dangerously premature weighing just two pounds. To build his physical strength, his parents played music for him, hoping he'd move to the beat, and he did.
"He stopped crying the moment he heard the melody," his mother says, "And when he got bigger, he started dancing."
She admits he hasn't led a normal childhood. He practices at this Beijing studio almost every day but everyone insists it's only because he wants to.
"When he is not practicing he is just constantly moving around," his teacher says. Dancers need that kind of desire to perform wherever, whenever. Xiao Bao obviously loves the attention.
(On camera): Can you teach me some dance moves? Gosh. He's hard to keep up with.
(voice over): He's well on his way to becoming the prince of pop. Emily Chang, CNN, Beijing.
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(On camera): Very good.
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HOLMES: Just like mike. Kid grabbing himself and everything.
We are going to turn back to the story out of the Gulf that oil that continues to ooze. A lot of questions about what's happening there. Among them, they're trying to figure out what's the impact on the wildlife. A scientist is taking a closer look at some of the fish that have already been affected by the pollution.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK) HOLMES: We turn now to a CNN exclusive, an Al Qaeda leader under arrest, right now. He is an alleged mastermind of terror techniques who admits to ordering attacks on Americans and Iraqi civilians. CNN's Fredrick Pleitgen sat down with the man some call him the Governor of Baghdad.
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FREDRICK PLEITGEN, CNN INT'L. CORRESPONDENT (voice over): It was some of the deadliest and most brazen attacks in Baghdad. Coordinated suicide bombings that hit several Iraqi ministries last year killing and wounding hundreds. This man, Munaf al-Rawi says he was the master mind.
MUNAF Al-RAWI, LEADER, AL QAEDA IN IRAQ (through translator): I wrote to my leaders and they send me about $120,000. We bought the trucks and we got the suicide bombers from Mosul. We planned the operation and we executed it.
PLEITGEN: The U.S. military and the Iraqi security apparatus say al- Rawi is a master of terror logistics. He admits he was Al Qaeda in Iraq's top commander in Baghdad, until he was recently captured by luck at an Iraqi checkpoint like this one. The Iraqi government allowed CNN interview him but we were not allowed to say where the interview took place, and we were asked not to use one portion of the interview for fear he might be sending a secret message.
(On camera): Tell me the nuts and bolts of what you would do.
AL-RAWI (through translator): I would get orders always through written notes transported by couriers. I would get the order to conduct and I would transfer it to our military chief in Baghdad.
PLEITGEN (On camera): Did you, yourself, ever at some point think about becoming a suicide bomber yourself? Did you think about doing that yourself? You were sending people to do the bombings.
AL-RAWI (through translator): No. I didn't force anyone to do it. A suicide bomber will come from the border, and get into Iraq to do it. I didn't force anyone to ride a car and conduct suicide attack.
PLEITGEN (voice over): Al-Rawi says he joined Al Qaeda in 2003 to fight the U.S. occupation. The irony, he says, American forces at one point had him in custody. He says he was detained after the battle of Fallujah in 2004, but released if 2007. A year later, Al-Rawi says he became a terrorist leader. At the height of its power, Al Qaeda brutally controlled entire towns and parts of the country, but the vicious tactics turned many Iraqis against them.
MAJ. GEN. STEVE LANZA, SPOKESMAN, U.S. FORCES-IRAQ: The population has not embraced this ideology of Al Qaeda and that's significant because it really has hindered their ability to conduct operations here in this country.
PLEITGEN: U.S. and Iraqi security forces say information gleaned after Al-Rawi's capture, including documents discovered in raided houses, allowed for the killing or capture of dozens more Al Qaeda in Iraq leaders. Al-Rawi says even before his arrest, Al Qaeda had been driven even further underground.
(On camera): Is the organization falling apart?
AL-RAWI: It is 80 percent to 100 percent harder to operate for Al Qaeda these days. Before, we could prepare a car bomb anywhere. There was no opposition. Now, you can't do that. Even the place you prepare car bomb will be discovered.
PLEITGEN: Al-Rawi says he felt sorry for civilians. He repeated that he didn't mean to kill civilians. But he insisted he still believes in what he calls a holy war against Americans and Al Qaeda's enemy, the Iraqi government. A war Al Qaeda in Iraq's new leadership says it is carrying forward. In the last two weeks, hundreds more have been killed and wounded in brutal attacks across the country, many civilians. Fred Pleitgen, CNN, Baghdad.
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HOLMES: We have just gotten an update on the breaking news we have been watching from overnight. That plane crash in India where 158 people were feared dead. We'll be going live to India right after the break. Stay with us here on CNN SATURDAY MORNING.
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HOLMES: Hello there, everybody. Good morning. Welcome to this CNN SATURDAY MORNING for Saturday, May the 22nd. At the top of the hour, here we are. I'm T.J. Holmes.
It's 7:00 a.m. where I sit here in Atlanta, Georgia. It's 4:30 in the afternoon in southern India -- and that's where we have been following breaking news.
A hundred and fifty-eight people are dead after a plane crashed there. It apparently overshot the runway. The weather has complicated the rescue and recovery efforts there, as well as the terrain. It's hilly in that area where they happen to be crashed. We'll bring you the latest and also going to be taking you live to India here in just a moment.
Also, here in this country, it is -- can you believe it -- day 33. We have been doing this for a month now. That is a live picture of oil leaking into the Gulf as we speak. A live picture now available that we can show you; but this has been going -- a steady stream of oil going into the Gulf for the past month now.
B.P. now has another plan to stop that gushing oil. This new method is called "top kill." We'll show you how it works.
But let's give you another check of some stories making headlines right now.
A judge is sentencing the woman who helped kidnap Elizabeth Smart to 15 years in federal. Wanda Eileen Barzee has agreed to cooperate in the case against her husband, Brian David Mitchell. The two abducted Smart in her Utah home in 2002. Police found the teenager some nine months later.
Well, a man who helped cater events for the U.S. embassy in Pakistan is under arrest in connection with the Times Square bombing plot. The catering company is believed to have ties to extremists. The caterer is one of six men in Pakistan who are under arrest. The U.S. embassy has issued alert, telling other Americans not to use that catering company.
And Secretary of State Clinton is in China talking about North Korea. She's calling for an international response after an investigation showed that North Korea torpedoed a South Korean ship in March that killed 46. The North threatens war if they are punished. Clinton is in China for strategic and economic talks.
Again, back to that breaking story we're keeping an eye on out of India, southern India, in particular -- a crash that has killed 158 people. This happened around 9:00 Eastern Time last night. You see the location, Mangalore, the international airport there.
We're also getting word that rescue teams have now recovered 127 bodies. There are 166 people on board including four infants. They were flying some four to five hours from Dubai.
And we're going to turn now to Mallika Kapur who's on the phone with us from India.
Mallika, we're talking about how many are dead. But it was amazing when we see some of these pictures that anybody survived, but, in fact, some did.
MALLIKA KAPUR, CNN CORRESPONDENT (via telephone): That's right. It is amazing that some people did manage to survive this very tragic air crash. And before we go to what some of the survivors said, I do want to update you on some numbers that we are hearing in the last hour. Our sister network, IBN, CNN-IBN is reporting that the death toll has now risen to 159.
We are reporting after we heard from area officials that 158 people were dead and eight people had survived, but we're hearing now from our sister network that one child has actually succumbed to his injuries, taking the death toll up to 159.
As you say, though, it is absolutely a miracle that some people did manage to escape and to survive this crash. We did hear from one man and he said that he heard a loud noise that sounded like an explosion. He thought it was a tire bursting. And the plane hit the ground and he said, "It took all of two seconds for everything to happen and I saw a hole on the left side of the wall of the plane, I jumped out and I dragged two others out with me." That man is being treated for injuries at a local hospital -- T.J.
HOLMES: Mallika, what else can you tell us about this airport? The airport apparently is in an area that surrounded by a lot of hills, a lot of brush, a lot of forest, and it's apparently pretty tricky getting in and out of that airport.
KAPUR: That's right. Aviation experts do say it's one of the trickiest airports to navigate in India. Mangalore, the city itself -- is a city of rolling hills. The airport is situated on top of a hill. To access it, you have to drive up rather winding roads.
And the airport itself, the runway is called -- what's known as a table top runway. So, it's a runway that got steep valleys. It's surrounded by valleys on three sides and it's got steep cliffs on three sides and that's why aviation experts say it can be quite tricky to get in and out of.
And also in the last hour, we've heard from India's aviation minister and he said that this crash had nothing to do with weather problems or poor visibility. He's saying that it was perhaps down to pilot error and that the plane was just -- the speed was too much, too high a speed this morning -- T.J.
HOLMES: All right. And, Mallika, I want to make sure I heard that last part correctly, because we were -- some questions about what the weather exactly was like and what the visibility was, but again, I think you heard -- I heard you say that the aviation minister saying that visibility and weather are not a part of the crash, he doesn't believe.
KAPUR: That's just what he said in the last hour, yes. He has said that it was not down to weather.
HOLMES: All right. Mallika Kapur on the line with us live from India -- Mallika, we appreciate your update.
And, again, you heard her say that the update now is that 159, we're told, have died. One child that apparently survived the initial crash, did later succumb to his injuries.
I want to turn to Bonnie Schneider who is standing by, as well.
And, Bonnie, I was kind of surprised to here Mallika on that report saying what the aviation minister told her because there were some reports that we are reading in about this stories that maybe there was heavy rain, maybe the visibility was down. Aviation officials over there in India are saying, no, that wasn't the case. What do we know about exactly how was the weather as they were trying to land?
BONNIE SCHNEIDER, AMS METEOROLOGIST: You know, T.J., this time of year, it's tricky for India because we're just beginning the rainy season that starts in June. Had this happened later in the season, the weather could have been terrible.
But what we're looking at right now when we look at the area in and around the airport, we see a lot of clouds to the south and the conditions at the time of the crash which was around 6:00 a.m. local time in the morning, so it was already after the sun came up, we had light rain and visibility around two miles. Now, that's not perfect conditions but it's not as bad as it could have been. Take a look at Google Earth and I'll just show you where it is on the system here as we zoom into some of the views. Here's a wider view of India, and you can see here some of the cloud covers as well to the south, near Sri Lanka. And then, of course, throughout the Bay of Bengal, which is very stormy here through Bangladesh this time of year, and a lot of the moisture coming on shore as we go through the summer season.
But as we take a tighter view here on Google Earth and zoom in to the airport, here's a look at where the runway is and you were hearing from Mallika about the terrain -- a very hilly in and around the region there as I slide this up and you can see some of the topography -- lots of trees in and around the airport, and once again, very hilly, indeed. A smaller airport in southern India, but not as far south as where we have some of more torrential downpours of rain.
As we go through the rainy season, we are going to be seeing those changes where the clouds and showers will sweep across much of India and then by the end of rainy season, they work their way all the way northward into Pakistan. So, it's an interesting time of year where we get the changes in India.
But right now, we're just saw light rain at the time of the crash, and moderate visibility, low, I'd say about two miles but not impossible to see in front of you.
HOLMES: Not impossible to see.
All right. We appreciate that breakdown. Thank you so much, Bonnie Schneider.
Josh Levs is keeping an eye on things, what happened online as well with the latest with this crash.
Hello to you again.
JOSH LEVS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi to you.
You know, I'm going to pick up on a few things. Let's go to the animation of the airport itself. I want everyone the see because Bonnie was just showing us Google Earth. We have an animation that's going to take you to the Mangalore airport basically, to give a sense of what this runway is like and gives you a different view of it there.
We're hearing some interesting information. Also from Mallika, you know, one of the things she said is that authorities in India now believe that this was most likely pilot error. Boeing Corporation -- this was a Boeing 737. Boeing is actually sending a team to India to assist in this investigation to try to find out what could have been behind this crash.
And you're seeing there Mangalore airport and the runways where the plane was supposed to be landing today. It took off from Dubai.
You know, we also have a picture here. I want to go to this of something we have been looking at throughout the day. And this is a young survivor, we believe.
Now, we're hearing from Mallika that these numbers are changing. As we go to this picture, let's keep in mind, even the people who survive in the hours after the crash can succumb to their injuries. We don't know if this is the child who succumbed to injuries. But we are hearing from here -- the number of dead is now gone up to 159.
Often in plane crashes, when you hear about survivors, the survivors often are the younger, smaller people. They're able to get caught inside these pockets of planes that can sometimes be more protected. We had a lot more to learn about this.
There's one more thing to tell you. At CNN.com, we have a timeline of recent airline crashes, various crashes. And, you know, we were talking about Poland and these different examples.
I also want all of you to know because a lot of you watch us in airports, a lot of you going on planes -- I have done so many reality checks. I have looked at the numbers repeatedly. Flying is and remains the safest major form of transportation that there is. By far, it's basically, you are safe. So, don't worry. Your plane is going to take off fine, it's going to fly fine, it's going to land fine. These make huge news because they are so rare. Flying is the safest major form of travel.
We're going to keep it here with all the latest details, T.J., for you throughout the day. I'll be back next hour with everything we got.
HOLMES: All right, Josh, we appreciate you. See you again here soon.
LEVS: Sure.
HOLMES: We continue to keep an eye on that oil spill in the Gulf. We are literally able now to keep a live eye on the leak. There it is. It continues every minute, every second, and it's been going on for past month -- oil leaking into the Gulf.
So, officials now are going to try something else, something they call a "top kill" method to try to stop that leak. We'll explain -- coming up.
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HOLMES: Every minute of every day for the past month, oil has been spilling into the Gulf of Mexico. This has been going on a month now and what we have now is a live picture of that oil gusher. Here it is -- just made available to us over the past couple of days after some pressure from Congress on B.P. to make some of these pictures available.
The president also has now named a bipartisan commission to investigate this oil leak and also to prevent future leaks from happening.
Scientists right now are disagreeing on just how much oil is spilling out. People are looking at these pictures and using their expert analysis trying to figure out exactly how much is spewing into the Gulf now.
There have been all kinds of estimates out there. The one that many were going with for the past several weeks told to us by B.P. was that 5,000 barrels a day was leaking. That would estimate to about 210,000 gallons a day, but some estimates say there could be 1.5 million to 4 million gallons spilling every single day.
There's also a flow rate commission that's been put together to actually examine this. This is a collaboration of several scientists from several different agencies. They're expected to have an estimate some time today of what they believe is leaking into the Gulf.
Now, B.P. is going to try another method early next week called the "top kill" method. People wondering why the White House hasn't taken more control of this cleanup.
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ROBERT GIBSS, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: The technical expertise to clean up and deal with the equipment that is 5,000 feet below the surface of the sea, that's equipment that B.P. has. That's the equipment that other oil companies have. That is not -- that is not based on equipment that the federal government has in storage.
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HOLMES: And like I just mentioned, B.P. is going to try another method to try to cap this Gulf oil leak. They should expect to try it sometime next week, around Tuesday, is what we're doing told. But again, it's called the top kill method.
And what they're going do here, here's an animation of it, they plan on pumping some fluid into that leak site. And this thick, sticky liquid's going to fill this thing up and then it's going to be sealed with cement. Now, they've tried things like this before, but the key is that it's never been tried at such a depth of water. B.P. says the earliest that this top kill method will be attempted is going to be on Tuesday.
The B.P. oil disaster could have an affect on the Gulf for years to come. A new aerial video from the spill site shed some light on this devastation. Scientists are trying to get a handle on the impact but this is not easy.
CNN's Rob Marciano went to the Gulfport, Mississippi and spoke with scientists about how some fish are already being affected.
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ROB MARCIANO, AMS METEOROLOGIST: Oh, wow. This is cool. What am I looking at?
ERIC HOFFMAYER, BIOLOGIST, SO. MISS. GULF COAST RESEARCH LAB: Right now, you're looking at some larvae of blue fin tuna. Basically blue fin tuna babies. MARCIANO (voice-over): Dr. Eric Hoffmayer is a biologist at the University of Southern Mississippi Gulf Coast Research Lab. He has a team of scientists currently exploring Gulf waters near the oil slick.
HOFFMAYER: They have been out there for four or five days and it's a planned 12-day trip.
MARCIANO: Right now, their research vessel is near the southern edge of the spill.
Biologist Jim Franks reports from the ship via satellite.
JIM FRANKS, BIOLOGIST: The current temperature today was 86 degrees. It's awfully warm.
MARCIANO: It turns out that loop current getting all the press lately does more than just move warm water and potentially oil toward Florida. The current is a breeding ground for lots of marine life, including rare blue fin tuna.
HOFFMAYER: You got lots of nutrients and (INAUDIBLE) current, and so it becomes a signature for these animals to spawn around.
MARCIANO: The Gulf is only one of two known blue fin spawning grounds. The other is in the Mediterranean. Hoffmayer says blue fin tuna sushi popularity, especially in Asia, has driven down the population 82 percent.
HOFFMAYER: Problem we have is that tremendously overfished.
MARCIANO: Another concern for the Hoffmayer's team is whale sharks, the largest fish on the planet. They can grow up to 60 feet long and they also live in the Gulf of Mexico.
HOFFMAYER: The oil spill is in prime essential whale shark habitat, primarily feeding habitat, and we are about in prime whale shark season.
MARCIANO (on camera): So, this is bad timing?
HOFFMAYER: Very bad timing.
MARCIANO (voice-over): Aquatic toxicologist, Dr. Joe Griffitt, has been studying the oil and the dispersants closely.
JOE GRIFFITT, AQUATIC TOXICOLOGIST: We have a saying in toxicology. The dose makes the poison. Anything is toxic in high enough concentration and prolong exposure period.
MARCIANO: The lab here is full of last year's samples. Biologists wonder if this year's larvae will come back as healthy.
(on camera): I would think a little guy like this, even if it gets into a little bit of sheen, that's not going to make it easy.
HOFFMAYER: It's not. And most of these were collected in the top 10 meters of the water column. So, most of these larvae are at or near the surface of the water.
MARCIANO: So, what does that make you think about when you start to hear about sheen getting into the loop current where these guys are?
HOFFMAYER: It's -- it's not going to be good. I mean, it could have tremendous impacts on blue fin, as well as other species.
MARCIANO: Rob Marciano, CNN, Ocean Spring, Mississippi.
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HOLMES: And we won't be too far from the oil spill story throughout the morning as we get further developments.
Well, as you know, it's been a tough time in the economy. A lot of people are having a hard time finding a job right now in this economy. So, how about this? Why don't you just start a company? Well, that sounds pretty hard, as well -- unless you hear what our financial analyst has to say.
Clyde Anderson along in just a second with some -- what he says at least -- foolproof ways to start a company in this economy.
It's 20 minutes past the hour. Stay with us.
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HOLMES: I want to give you an update on a couple of stories making headlines this morning.
A hundred and twenty-seven bodies have been recovered at the site of that Air India crash, 159 are dead. Air India is also reporting eight survivors. The jet was trying to land in Mangalore at the airport there, when it overshot the runway, crashed and caught on fire. The aviation minister doesn't believe weather was a factor and suggested this could have been pilot error.
President Obama is going after commercial gas guzzlers. He wants fuel economy standards and pollution limits on big rig trucks by the year 2014. He hopes this is going to cut down the cost of a lot of this stuff that they're actually hauling. He's giving federal agencies a year to come up with those standards.
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HOLMES: All right. If you can't find a job, this guy just says start one, all right? Starting a business, though, can be a pretty tough task at any time, even the best of economic times.
Well, of course, Clyde Anderson will talk about -- our financial analyst.
Now, you spoke to -- I want to get a little advice. Before we hear Clyde's advice, you're going to hear from business coach Lisa Nichols. She's giving tips here on how to get your own business started. Let's listen to her and we'll talk to Clyde on the other side. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
LISA NICHOLS, BUSINESS COACH: Every two weeks or every month or once a month, whenever you get paid, write yourself a check, and in the memo line of your check, write funding my dream. Oh, this is sweet. When you do this, all of a sudden, you become so grateful for that primary income stream because it's going to fund your dream. And then start a separate bank account. You don't have to have the business name on it. Just start a separate bank account and put that money in that account and just funding my dream.
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HOLMES: All right. You heard her there. You need to actually just put some money aside. Can people afford to do that even these days?
CLYDE ANDERSON, FINANCIAL EXPERT: It depends on what your dream is and how bad you want it, you know? And that's the thing. How bad do you want it, and what can you put aside -- even if you start with $25, $50, $100, do something.
HOLMES: Do something. All right. Now, some of this -- you send us a couple of lists here.
ANDERSON: Yes.
HOLMES: And I was -- some made perfect sense.
ANDERSON: Right.
HOLMES: Recession proof, if you will, businesses. We're only going to go through five, I'm going to put the rest online. But of them here, sadly enough, but makes perfect sense -- going to debt collection.
ANDERSON: Debt collection. I mean, you think about it. People are in a lot of debt right now. Companies are really needing those funds and so, they put people in place to collect those funds. And the thing about is that you can even do it from home. You got to have tough skin, you got to have the personality for it, but you can even do it from home.
HOLMES: Again, it makes sense, but it's the sign of the times. Another thing here, health care products. No matter what happens in an economy, if you're sick, you need your stuff.
ANDERSON: You do. When you think about, we got an aging population that's growing more and more, and health is declining. And so, now, we got a surplus of health care products and services. That's an industry that's going to thrive.
HOLMES: All right. Another one here, this is interesting: mediators. Does everybody qualify for this?
ANDERSON: No, no, no. Everybody is not qualified. But, you know, you may be that good negotiator, the one who is always arguing with your friends and seems to win. You know, if you got a skill to negotiate, a lot of people are settling for mediators instead of attorneys because it's less expensive.
HOLMES: So, do you have to go through training for that for being mediators?
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ANDERSON: Yes. I mean, there's definitely some training that you need to do. But if you got that skill set, you can find some companies out there that will definitely use your services.
HOLMES: All right. Last couple here: Internet marketing. It is one thing to have a Web site, but people need help with that.
ANDERSON: That's it. And a lot of people forget that, you know? We got all these plethora of Web sites out there and people to know that it's just like a store and you got to market that. People don't know you're there, you're not going to get the business.
So, you got to make sure you know someone that's out there. If you're skilled with the Internet, you know how to drive traffic, you know how to pull that traffic to a place, you might be great to be an Internet marketer.
HOLMES: All right. There was one more virtual assistant, but there are also businesses you need to stay away from. This makes sense, as well. Real estate, anything that requires a large investment, requires physical building and an expensive inventory and also expensive sponsor. Some of those are kind of --
ANDERSON: Yes. You know, I mean, we do want another luxuries. People are still getting their hair done these days. But they're not going to those expensive spa services and things like that. So, you want to make sure -- and if you've been in real estate already, that's may be fine.
But don't jump into it right now if -- you know, if you don't have all that infrastructure in place.
HOLMES: That makes perfect sense. All right, Clyde, some good information.
We're going to put the rest, again, 10 recession proof businesses. We went through five here. We're going to put the rest on our blog, put them online. Make sure you check us out at CNN.com/TJ. We have listed more of those good businesses to start in a bad economy.
Clyde, always good to have you.
Quick break. We'll be right back.
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HOLMES: Now, I'll be back in a half hour with more live news right here on CNN SATURDAY MORNING. But right now, I'm going to hand it over to my good friend, Dr. Sanjay Gupta and "SANJAY GUPTA, M.D."
