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Americans Flee Libya to Avoid Violence; Wisconsin's Battle Between Labor and Lawmakers; States Making Tough Choices; New Technological Choices to Entertain; Gadhafi Clings to Power; U.S. Governors Meet in Washington; Charlie Sheen: Trouble on Tape; Top Sports Headlines of the Week

Aired February 26, 2011 - 08:00   ET

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RANDI KAYE, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning.

Rebellion in Libya comes at a high cost. Moammar Gadhafi's cracking down with deadly results and refusing to step down. What are the United States and the United Nations prepared to do? A live update straight ahead.

Then there's that battle between labor and lawmakers in Wisconsin. The governor's not budging. In fact, he's promising sweeping teacher layoffs perhaps as early as Monday. We're tracking developments as the clock ticks down.

Charlie Sheen's rant shut down production of "Two and a Half Men" perhaps for good. It also shed light on the superstar's definition of rehab. Can you really cure a drug habit in quote a nanosecond? And can you be a social crack user? We'll talk with an expert who's guided celebrities through addiction treatment.

It's early and we're on it. From CNN Center, this is CNN SATURDAY MORNING. It's February 26th. I'm Randi Kaye. Thanks for spending part of your morning with us.

Over the next 90 minutes, we have stories that you'll be talking about all day, including an update on one of the most famous planes ever, the one that made a miracle landing on the Hudson River back in 2009.

Also more on Libya with some emotional accounts from Americans who witnessed the violence and the protests. They were the lucky ones who actually made it out of Tripoli.

If you notice a hefty hike in your food bill, it's not your imagination. Produce prices are spiking. We'll tell you why or when or if you can expect relief.

And here's a call police don't get every day. Help, there's a baby locked in our bank vault. We'll tell you what happens next.

Need help with your Oscar office pool? If you can't tell "The Social Network" from "The Fighter," if you're in doubt about "The King's Speech" or just want to see what celebrities are likely to win, we have got you covered this morning. Out of Libya now, it's believed the last U.S. citizens that wanted to get out are out. That after the U.S. government warned all citizens to evacuate because of the growing violence in the country. Many came out on a chartered plane, others, what you're looking at here took a ferry from Tripoli to Malta. Other countries are also evacuating their citizens.

Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi warned that protesters may not have seen the worst yet. He vowed to escalate the violence if demonstrations just don't stop. This is what we saw on the streets of Tripoli yesterday. It was quite a scene. Security forces and in some cases foreign mercenaries are facing off with the protesters in and around the capital city.

CNN's Diana Magnay joins me now on the phone from Malta. Diana, we saw the emotional scene there as hundreds of Americans got off that ferry. A safe landing for them from Libya. Where are they now?

DIANA MAGNAY, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (via telephone): A lot of them are in hotels. Some of them are already on the plane to their final destination, a lot of them at the airport, so all mixed up really. It's a rainy day here in Malta and they're all trying to make final arrangements to finally get home.

I was there waiting for that ferry to talk to them all when they finally arrived and remember, they were docked in Tripoli harbor for two nights, unable to get off that boat and finally it was a very (INAUDIBLE) ride crossing over from Tripoli to Malta.

Here's a look at what they told me then.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

MAGNAY (voice-over): The Maria Delores (ph) finally enters Malta's historic port. Onboard, more than 300 people just relieved to have been delivered from hell. Stranded at the port in Tripoli for 36 hours, they then endured high seas on the 220-mile journey across the Mediterranean.

AISAH QURESHI, U.S. CITIZEN EVACUATED FROM LIBYA: I've never been on a ferry before (INAUDIBLE) a lot of throwing up.

DIANE HARRIS, U.S. CITIZEN EVACUATED FROM LIBYA: The ride across the sea last night was pretty rough. So we had some tough times on the boat, but not, you know, life or death situations.

MAGNAY: Unlike the scenes one man told me he'd witness from his flat overlooking Tripoli's green square.

ZIAD KASSAB, U.S. CITIZEN EVACUATED FROM LIBYA: They had machine guns and shooting everywhere. They were (INAUDIBLE) but they were shooting like even on walls with nobody around.

MAGNAY: How many people? Who was shooting?

KASSAB: A lot. Like you can hear even from the sounds of the shots from 50 different locations, 100 different locations nonstop all of these bullets going out nonstop.

MAGNAY: The passengers were met by U.S. diplomats brought into Malta to help with the exodus and by hordes of journalists outside (INAUDIBLE) to bring them to hotels, their first night in a bed in three days.

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MAGNAY: Huge relief, of course, Randi for all of those who finally set foot here in Malta. But also mixed feelings especially for those who left families, their husbands behind in Libya knowing that they were in the hands of a regime which really as we saw yesterday is capable of anything, Randi.

KAYE: All right Diana Magnay for us there in Malta, Diana, thank you.

The United Nations puts the death toll in Libya at more than 1,000 and counting. Here are pictures supposedly from one massive anti-government rally in southeastern Libya. You can see people waving that giant flag there. Well, that was the national flag before Gadhafi took power.

Earlier, I talked with an American teacher. She evacuated on that ferry to Malta. And she told us about the worsening situation there that we've seen on the streets.

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JUDITH DROTAR, EVACUATED FROM LIBYA (via telephone): Well, you know, things deteriorated really quickly. I met with the board on Sunday afternoon, and we opted to continue running the American School because we didn't feel like there was imminent threat. Most - everything that was going on was going on in Benghazi. And, you know, there were a lot of pro-government demonstrations going on in Tripoli. So we opted to keep the school open.

But probably about two hours after that, the phones went down. And when I got home, I could hear protests in our suburb. And I have, you know, 24 teachers spread out over maybe a seven-mile radius, like in different villas. And the thought of not being able to get to them was really horrific for me.

So when the phones went back on early in the morning, we I - I notified them and we all moved to the school as a safe haven.

KAYE: Your - your daughter

DROTAR: So

KAYE: Your daughter had actually been on speaking with CNN. She was very concerned about you in - in recent days.

DROTAR: I know.

KAYE: Did you have a conversation with her? (CROSSTALK)

KAYE: What was that first phone call like for the two of you, once you got to Malta, if you've had that phone call?

DROTAR: Oh, she was ecstatic, and she had a group of friends there, and they were all going hooray, hooray.

And of course, I don't feel - I've never felt, you know, totally threatened. It's just that I - I - I didn't know what was going to happen - none of us did - because, as I told you, things deteriorated so rapidly that we didn't know what to expect.

So the uncertainty was just horrific.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KAYE: President Obama issued an executive order last night placing new restrictions on Libya. The sanctions are intended to keep the Libyan government from having access to any funds administered by American interests.

And coming up in just about three hours, the United Nations Security Council meets to consider harsh sanctions aimed at Colonel Gadhafi's regime. They could impose a travel ban among some other things.

In other news, shooting suspect Jarrod Loughner is now back in Tucson, Arizona. That tops our look at other stories in the weekend wheel. He has been moved there ahead of his hearing next month on the shooting. That will be March 9th actually. Loughner is accused of shooting 19 people, including Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords. Six people you may recall died in that attack. A new indictment is expected before next month's hearing.

The death toll in New Zealand from this week's earthquake is up to 145. More than 200 people are still missing. A 6.3 magnitude quake struck Tuesday demolishing parts of the city of Christchurch. Among the missing, 90 students and staff from a language school that had been destroyed in the quake.

Well, you probably already noticed this, yes, the old pain at the pump. The price of gas hasn't just gone up, it has skyrocketed. It climbed 6 cents yesterday, the biggest one-day jump in two years, 6 cents in one day. You can blame that uptick on unrest in Libya. Expect gas prices to get worse. One oil analysts says we can expect another 30 cents a gallon hike by next week.

In suburban Atlanta, a 14-month-old girl is safe and sound this morning after being rescued from, get this, a bank vault last night. The toddler wandered into the time lock chamber. She's the daughter of a bank employee it turns out. So when authorities discovered there was limited air inside that vault for that little girl, well, they quickly called a lock smith turned safe cracker.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) RON SNIVELY, HELPED RESCUE TODDLER: She was crying before I got to her. She was scared because of the drilling noise and all that, but, you know, once I heard her crying, I knew everything was OK. It was just a matter of time.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KAYE: I bet she was scared. It took three hours to get that little girl out. But she is OK this morning and mom is too.

One tweet. That is all it took to get this homeless New York man and his daughter reunited after 11 years. Daniel Morales joined Twitter just three weeks ago and he was given a phone as all part of a project aimed at giving a voice to the homeless. He and his daughter reunited just yesterday.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DANIEL MORALES, FOUND DAUGHTER VIA TWITTER: A great moment for myself. I feel rejoiced.

SARAH RIVERA, FOUND BY DAD VIA TWITTER: Finding my dad after 11 years, I don't even know how to feel right now. It's just -- I'm very, very happy.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KAYE: Since getting started on Twitter, Morales has more than 3,000 followers from around the world.

Well, this is a story that riveted the nation. Remember this? Everyone made it out OK after a passenger jet crash landed on the Hudson River in New York. Now the miracle plane is scheduled for one final trip. We'll tell you where it's headed.

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KAYE: Just about everyone remembers the miracle on the Hudson. The U.S. Airways flight piloted by Captain Sully Sullenberger splashing down in New York's Hudson River in January of 2009. The jet is now in a New Jersey warehouse, but this spring, it will be taken to Carolina's aviation museum in Charlotte, North Carolina.

A New Jersey TV station got a firsthand look at the inside of the jet. You can still actually see the silt from the Hudson River. That's an amazing story. Really amazing.

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KAYE: During Moammar Gadhafi's reign, the U.S. and Libya have never been close allies. Only in recent years have the tensions actually eased. Now, all bets are off. So let's bring in senior State Department producer Elise Labott. Elise, with these new sanctions that the president was just talking about last night, what is the message, do you think that is actually being sent by the U.S. to the leader of Libya? ELISE LABOTT, CNN SR. STATE DEPARTMENT PRODUCER: Well, Randi, I think the message is really to try and peel off some members of Gadhafi's regime kind of saying that we're going to target sanctions that are actually against the government and not necessarily against the people. Yesterday when the Obama administration issued these travel bans and these asset freezes against members of Moammar Gadhafi's regime, the president issued a statement that said by any measure, Moammar Gadhafi's government has violated international norms and common decency and must be held accountable.

These sections therefore target the Gadhafi government while protecting the assets that belong to the people of Libya. And that includes not only assets of the regime itself and Moammar Gadhafi and his children, but also American holdings of Libya's sovereign wealth fund. That's really money that belongs to the people of Libya, that the government actually uses. But the United States is saying you're not going to be able to use this for yourself. We're saving it for the Libyan people, Randi.

KAYE: And getting these people out really was a very coordinated effort. We saw this official release from the State Department which you actually sent us showing it was very coordinated, that now they're saying that they're unaware of any large pockets of Americans who might still be there. It's also interesting the timing. The U.S. really waited -- the White House waited until all of those Americans were onboard that ferry before they did anything in terms of sanctions.

LABOTT: That's right. There was a real concern that Moammar Gadhafi would take hostages, that he would use American nationals and nationals of other countries as hostages or pawns or human shields, really a lot of concern there.

And you saw the minute that that last chartered ferry and a plane also carrying more Americans left Libya, as soon as that happened, the Americans imposed these sanctions and started really ramping up the rhetoric.

So the message here is really we got our people to safety and now we're really going to start -- we've been hearing that the United Nations Security Council now is going to be meeting later today. A lot of diplomacy now concerted to try and get members of the regime to peel away from Gadhafi and get him to stop using this violence against his people, Randi.

KAYE: Now the tough talk and the hard work really begins. Elise Labott, thank you so much.

Well, if you've noticed a spike in the cost of fruits and veggies at the grocery store, you are not alone. We'll take a look at why they've gone up so much in the past year and how high they're actually expected to rise in our special series "The Price We Pay." Stay close.

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KAYE: When was the last time you went to the grocery store? If it's been any time in the last few days, you probably noticed that produce prices are rising. You see it in the fruit at the breakfast table or the salad you made for dinner last night possibly. So we wanted to take a closer look at the price we pay for produce and even some other foods.

Here's CNN's Catherine Callaway.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

CATHERINE CALLAWAY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The rising price of oil is a major factor in driving up the price of produce, and wintery weather, all of those unexpected freezes can devastate crops. We spent a day with a Georgia peach farmer talking about how fuel and other factors affect his produce.

Do you expect that people will pay more for peaches this year than last year because of the fuel?

MARK SANCHEZ, CEO, LANE SOUTHERN ORCHARDS: More than likely everything is going up a little bit. We're paying more for all of our inputs. So I would expect that at some point, you know, these additional costs will be passed on.

CALLAWAY: Mark Sanchez of Lane Southern Orchards, one of the largest peach growers in the U.S., says some of those additional costs will be passed on to consumers. He says the cost of getting his peaches to retailers rises as labor, fertilizer, packaging and fuel prices increase.

SANCHEZ: Fuel's a huge expense for us, huge. We have to move our equipment from one orchard to the next. We have to move our people from one orchard to the next. We use a lot of fuel.

CALLAWAY: Weather also determines the peach supply which can drive the demand and prices up. There are more than 6,000 acres of farmland here at Lane Southern Orchard and the growing season is just beginning. Just one deep freeze could destroy the entire crop.

SANCHEZ: Some crops -- you get a frost and there's a temporary spike in prices when the supply goes down. Another portion of the country comes in and fills that void and then prices will level off.

CALLAWAY: Sanchez says produce is a labor-intensive product that is often hand-pruned and hand-picked. And every step between the farm and the store impacts the price.

SANCHEZ: There's packaging costs and there's freight costs and there's merchandising costs and retailers have to recover for spoilage. So there's a lot of things that go into pricing of peaches or pricing of any produce. It doesn't all come back to the farmer.

CALLAWAY: Produce prices are a lot like the stock market. The prices change every day. We're likely to see an across the board increase in the price of most produce this spring and summer as fuel prices continue to rise. In Forest Park, Georgia, Catherine Callaway, CNN.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

KAYE: Well, for $5, you can get a ticket to the most famous Oscars after party ever. That same $5 gets you live backstage during the ceremonies for the very first time. What's the catch? We'll tell you how to find it.

But first, it's the end of an era. Shuttle "Discovery" lifted off on its final mission Thursday from the Kennedy Space Center in Florida. "Discovery" is the fleet leader having flown more missions than any other shuttle, 150 million miles in case you're counting. So we want to test your space knowledge. Do you know what year "Discovery" blasted off on its first voyage? Was it 1977, 1984 or 1991? We'll give you just two minutes to think about it and we'll have the answer for you right after this break.

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KAYE: Shuttle "Discovery" took off on its final mission this week from Kennedy Space Center in Florida. So before the break, we asked you when shuttle "Discovery" embarked on its very first voyage. The answer is August 30th, 1984. So if you picked that one, nice job. At the time, it was the third operational shuttle. Today, it is the oldest one in service.

Now take a look at this. In honor of NASA's shuttle program winding down, CNN has condensed every shuttle launch, all 132 of them into 132 seconds. You can watch all of them at cnn.com. That's pretty cool.

When you watch the Oscars tomorrow night, you can really watch the Oscars. For the first time ever, you'll have online access to more than 20 cameras that will show a lot of behind the scenes activities at the Academy Awards show.

Let's bring in our digital lifestyle expert Mario Armstrong to explain some of this for us.

Mario, happy Saturday to you. How --

MARIO ARMSTRONG, CNN DIGITAL LIFESTYLE EXPERT: Happy Saturday to you too, Randi.

KAYE: How does this whole Oscar online viewing work?

ARMSTRONG: Here's the deal. The Oscars are like, hey, look, we want to make sure that the Oscars are more accessible. So basically you log on. They have a brand new website at oscar.go.com, a brand new website that's been recently launched.

They also have a new mobile app that you can download from the iTunes store. You can use that on your iPod touch, your iPhone or your iPad. And so all of this digital activity is about them trying to make, I think, the show more relevant and give you more access. And as you mentioned, you'll have up to 24 different video cameras, video streams, video feeds that you can look at, everything from the red carpet to the behind the scenes and backstage reactions of the winners all the way to their after parties and some of their events.

KAYE: Hearing this, I think a lot of people are going to be set up. They're going to have their big screen plasma TVs somewhere. Then they are going to have their computers going and Twitter going. It's going to be quite a scene, so you think they're doing this just to get it more attention?

ARMSTRONG: I think if you really look at the ratings over the past few years, especially in 2008, there was a severe dip in viewership. And we are seeing more of what we're calling this two- screen experience where people are watching television, but they're also using their laptop or their tablets or phones as a part of a companion viewing so that you can do social watching together. You can tweet, you can follow hash tags. You can be engaged.

In fact, with the live streaming with the Oscars this year, you'll also be able to ask questions that can be asked on the red carpet by some of the hosts. So it really is trying to find new ways I think of integrating newer audiences and more eyeballs, obviously. And these water cooler events are great for this type of companion viewership.

KAYE: I think I even saw that some of the nominees, I think nine nominees moms and I think one grandmother are going to be tweeting or something. They're calling them mominees. I love that.

ARMSTRONG: Mominees, can you believe that? So if you want to follow the mominees, you go to pound nominees on Twitter and you can follow along as to what the moms of the nominees have to say.

KAYE: Those opinions aren't going to be too biased. But listen before we let you go, we're going to be looking at, of course, best picture, best actor, all that kind of stuff. But you are probably paying a lot of attention to the key winners in the technology category. Who would you say?

ARMSTRONG: Because, Randi, the bottom line, is the Oscars don't happen without the cool techies that make it all work, all the effects. Two key folks to keep your eyes out for. One has created a whole new facial recognition software that basically picks up all of your gestures and expressions in your face and transforms that on to digital characters. So we've seen this like in "Avatar" and in "King Kong" and other films.

And as you can see, that's an actual camera that's looking at her. That thing that comes around her mouth that you think is a microphone is actually the camera capturing all of her expressions on her face and then they digitally place that on the avatar figure. That's why these 3-D animations and these figures look so realistic in their expressions.

And then the other one real quick is by Mark Knowle (ph) and John -- I went blank on his last name, Frazier (ph), thank you, John Frazier. And this is a new system called the knack (ph) system. And the knack system enables big props, cars, boats, huge things, helicopters to be automated through joy stick maneuvers in a safe environment in real time.

So these are real advancements in technology. And a lot of people just don't know that the techies actually get their own Oscar and they have their own award show for science and tech awards.

KAYE: Well, with cool stuff like that, they deserve their own Oscar.

ARMSTRONG: You better believe it.

KAYE: Mario, thank you --

ARMSTRONG: I've got my popcorn. I've got my popcorn ready and I'm all set. You know, lights, camera, action, hit the watching online, folks.

KAYE: I love it. Love your props, love seeing you on Saturday. Mario Armstrong, good to see you. Thanks so much.

Join "SHOWBIZ TONIGHT'S" A.J. Hammer and Brooke Anderson for live red carpet access at the Oscars, "Road to Gold" airs Sunday night at 7:00 Eastern right here on CNN. And then at 11:00 Eastern, the most compelling moments from the Academy Awards show on our sister network HLN.

The countdown is on for that government showdown, shutdown actually that we've been talking about in recent weeks. The deadline is March 4th. It's been 15 years since the last time the United States government shut down leaving millions out of work. And it could happen again in just six days. We will give you the details straight ahead.

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KAYE: Coming up on 33 minutes past the hour. Welcome back, everyone, I'm Randi Kaye. I'm glad you're with us this morning.

Let's start this half hour with those budget battles playing out across the country with what's going on in Wisconsin acting as a stark reminder.

The nation's governors are gathering in Washington this week, and they compared notes on how they're dealing with their own economic problems.

CNN deputy political director, Paul Steinhauser joins me now from Washington. Paul good morning to you.

PAUL STEINHAUSER, CNN DEPUTY POLITICAL DIRECTOR: Hey, good morning Randi. You know you're absolutely right, a lot of these governors are right here in Washington for the annual National Governor's Association meetings. Think of the state problems that are going on in Wisconsin. They've got these budget deficits. And by law, most of these governors have to balance their budgets, which is different than right here in Washington with the federal budget.

So they're weighing some of the same -- they were dealing with some of the same problems and weighing some of the same solutions we're seeing in Wisconsin. Though, not as many governors are going that far. You know, it's not all Republicans that are just taking a hard line on the budget. Some Democratic governors as well are doing some big budget cuts.

But these meetings and we saw the Democratic Governors right here at the White House yesterday. They met with the President and the Vice President yesterday. The Republicans and the Democrats go back to the White House tomorrow for more -- for a big dinner and also for meetings with the President on Monday.

There are also other things on their mind, Randi, the -- the possibility of a government shutdown, a federal government shutdown, how that'll affect the states? And of course, jobs and the economy. So a lot of things on the mind for the governors right here today.

KAYE: Very busy time for them. But another big event, I know you're watching this weekend, as well.

STEINHAUSER: Yes, you know what?

Two years ago right around now, the beginning of the Tea Party Movement, first big Tea Party protests. So Tea Party activists are marking their second anniversary, the birth of their movement. And there's a summit going on, a policy summit out in Arizona put on by the Tea Party Patriots, that's one of the largest National Tea Party groups and they're going to be of course, remembering their two-year mark but also looking ahead.

And who will be the headline speaker at that summit? Tim Pawlenty, he's the former Minnesota governor, he's a Republican who's thinking of running for the White House. And he's going to be the headliner out there at this summit out in Phoenix, Arizona.

We sent our Shannon Travis out to cover it. Also out speaking at the summit: Rand Paul, the Congressman from Texas; and Herman Kaine, the radio talk show host and businessman. They're also thinking of about of making a bid for the White House.

Randi, two years ago right around now is when those Tea Party protests started because of the -- because of the stimulus and because of the Wall Street bailouts and a lot of anger. And that Tea Party Movement has definitely made an impact, you could say.

KAYE: Yes, I remember being at the convention. It's hard to believe it's been two years.

STEINHAUSER: Yes and we were there down in Nashville about a year ago. You're absolutely right.

KAYE: Yes. All right, Paul Steinhauser, good to see you. Thank you.

STEINHAUSER: Ok, thank you.

KAYE: Smart, demented, wily, insane, a survivor. All words used to describe Moammar Gadhafi. And as you're about to find out all those descriptions, well, they just might be true.

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KAYE: Thirty-seven minutes past the hour.

Moammar Gadhafi's long time grip over Libya seems to be loosening by the minute even though he's telling his people that this is a day to celebrate and dance. The reality is he is facing a popular uprising like nothing he has ever seen before in more than four decades in power.

Nadia Bilchik is here to take a look back at the colorful and ever controversial Libyan leader.

NADIA BILCHIK, CNN EDITORIAL PRODUCER: Colorful and ever controversial.

(CROSS TALK)

KAYE: So much to say about him.

BILCHIK: He seems always interesting. When we look at Moammar Gadhafi, what was the ground that he was raised in so to speak? You know the context that he grew up in was the brutal colonization of Italy. So he grew up in a time when half the population had actually perished under Italian colonization.

So when one begins to understand, he grows up a very poor kid. He then joins the military, there's the federal constitutional monarchy over there, but there's 95 percent illiteracy in Libya. When he comes to power in 1969, he overthrows the King Idris.

Some of the things he does was he makes education very popular, this social welfare. So you look at a man and say how was he in power for 42 years? Well, there's certain things that he did that certainly he invested in his people.

However, during that period, you saw anti-Western sentiment grow. He purged distant groups in the most violent way, he wrote the Green Book, which rejects liberal democracy. And it was in 1986 that Reagan finally said I have enough of this man who is providing a haven for terrorists.

So 1986, Libya becomes a target for U.S. bombing. And one of the places that is bombed is Gadhafi's home. And his then 15-month-old adopted daughter was killed.

(CROSS TALK)

KAYE: (INAUDIBLE).

BILCHIK: Some of his men are injured; they say he was injured. So 1986 at that point Reagan goes, enough, I've had enough; 1988 we have the Lockerbie bombing.

KAYE: Which he came out this week -- he came out this week that that --

(CROSS TALK)

BILCHIK: That he said, exactly, that that was his retaliation. So then the U.S. imposes sanctions on Libya which only gets dropped in 2003. But the real turning point happens after 9/11 because Gadhafi sees what's happening to Saddam Hussein --

(CROSS TALK)

KAYE: Right.

BILCHIK: -- and he goes I better cooperate. And he does, he allows nuclear inspectors into the country.

(CROSS TALK)

KAYE: And that's when the U.S. changed its relationship --

BILCHIK: Exactly.

KAYE: -- with him and almost started really coddling Gadhafi and his family and his son.

BILCHIK: And then you look at Gadhafi as a man who is as you've described him earlier, wily, because he's been politically very savvy; so one who looks at somebody who's managing to be diplomatic. So up until recently, that's the Gadhafi we've seen.

KAYE: Right. You have to though, wonder what's going on inside his head, certainly now. I mean, we -- he's -- he's -- he's not backing down. We've had our own Fareed Zakaria who -- he says that it appears that he's been on drugs when he's talked with him. He -- he just seems so delusional.

BILCHIK: There is a sense of that at this point and he does still have planned support when hearing. But again, here's a man for the last 42 years he's had this enormous power. And it is being threatened. It is an enormous psychological change for him. And I would say there is certain delusion. There is a certain sense of insanity.

(CROSS TALK)

KAYE: Right. And a lot of that might come from his early years -- BILCHIK: What is he saying," I will live and die in Libya." And what's so fascinating last night, I don't know if you saw Wolf Blitzer of "THE SITUATION ROOM" with the Libyan ambassador to the U.S. He has worked under Gadhafi for 40 years and will say to him where does your allegiance now lie? Is it still with your boss for 40 years?

KAYE: Right.

BILCHIK: He said no, I am with the opposition. I am finally free of this man.

(CROSS TALK)

KAYE: Yes that's a --

BILCHIK: He said -- and I need your support. Also (INAUDIBLE) said, Gadhafi the other day, they said do you have a plan, do you have plan a, b or c. He says I plan to live and die in Libya. Plan A, plan A, live and die in Libya. And I think Gadhafi feels much the same way.

KAYE: Right. All right, Nadia thank you.

BILCHIK: Thank you.

KAYE: Very interesting stuff.

The best way for me to tell you about Charlie Sheen is to let you hear for yourself. In case you haven't heard.

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CHARLIE SHEEN, ACTOR: I'm so tired of pretending like my life isn't perfect and just winning every second. And I'm not perfect and (EXPLETIVE DELETED) and just delivering the goods at every freaking turn. Because look at what I'm dealing with, man, I'm dealing with fools and trolls.

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KAYE: And there is much more. A psychiatrist breaks down what could be the breakdown of Hollywood's bad boy.

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KAYE: Charlie Sheen. Just mention his name, and a lot of people automatically think of drug binges, prostitutes, wild parties, and bizarre behavior. You might also think about one of the funniest and most popular television comedies in recent times. And because of Sheen's most recent rants, that sitcom, "Two and a Half Men" has shutdown production for the rest of the season.

Sheen went on a radio show this week and made some unflattering remarks about his executive producer and about his critics in general. Listen.

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SHEEN: They lay down with their ugly wives in front of their ugly children and just look at their loser lives and then they look at me and say, "I can't process it". Well, no, and you never will. Stop trying. Just sit back and enjoy the show.

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KAYE: What's equally troubling is his remarks about what he calls his newfound sobriety and the so-called lack of effectiveness of Alcoholics Anonymous.

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SHEEN: This bootleg cult, you know, arrogantly referred to as Alcoholics Anonymous now supports a five percent success rate. My success rate is 100 percent. Do the math.

Another one of those stupid mottos, Alex, is don't be special, be one of us. News flash, I am special and I will never be one of you. I have a disease (EXPLETIVE DELETED), I cured it with my brain, with my mind.

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KAYE: Cured it.

Sheen was referring to his self-imposed at-home drug and rehabilitation program. Well, as you just heard, the actor says it's working just fine.

So for some reaction to Sheen's actions, let's bring in psychiatrist Mark Goulston. Mark good to see you.

I know you don't treat Charlie Sheen currently nor have you ever. But how do you think he sounded in this latest radio rant? Does he sound delusional to you? And is there a name for this kind of behavior?

MARK GOULSTON, PSYCHIATRIST: He sounds -- I don't think he sounds delusional. I think he's -- he's like Peter Finch in "Network". He's mad as hell and he's not going to take it anymore.

When I think of addiction with people like Charlie Sheen, I think of too much too soon dopamine and feeling exploited. Too much too soon is often these celebrities when they're young they get all of these things that they shouldn't have and then suddenly they have to go off it.

I actually heard that when people feel like somebody and they go back to being anybody they feel like nobody. And it's like a real crash. And that's all regulated by something in your brain called dopamine. So they live on a dopamine high. And any time they lose that, they will do anything to get that back.

So sometimes they do drugs not to get high, they do it to avoid the crash. But I think what we're seeing is the reaction of someone who has felt exploited. Something that I've heard from a lot of celebrities is -- is they often grow up thinking that they're being loved by the people who are exploiting their talents. And then they end up feeling used but they don't want to give up that talent because that's all they know. They're actually incompetent outside that talent. And so they often feel that without that they'll show the world that they know nothing.

But it's a little bit like trusting someone all your life and then realizing they were using you and you feel violated.

I remember one celebrity --

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KAYE: There's certainly a lot of --

GOULSTON: Yes.

KAYE: -- there's certainly a lot of rage coming from him, it sounds like, a lot of anger. I mean he went off on the women in his life saying that he forgets them immediately. He attacked the show's producer, calling him a clown and a loser and a stupid little man. Later in a letter to TMZ, he calls him a maggot.

He says he's going to go on and make movies instead of working with these, quote, "idiots". So is all of this coming from this rage and this feeling of being used?

GOULSTON: Yes. I think the rage -- often in the rage is something called impotent rage, the rage of powerlessness. And often these people when they were young, they were actually being used but didn't realize they were being used and they were kind of powerless to do anything about it and they believed all these people telling them that we love you, we like you, we'll do anything for you.

But then when it turns out that you feel that you're being used and exploited, it develops into a rage. And then when you get the power -- when you're in a position of power and you have enough money, you're able to get mad as hell and not take it anymore.

KAYE: So, how would you treat him if he was your patient? What would you do for him?

GOULSTON: What I try to do is -- I wouldn't try and put him in a category. I think there's a part of him that says, you know, when people try to put me in a category like in AA or people are telling me that they're right and I'm wrong, he's going to rebel against that.

So I think what I would try and do is connect with him as him and then if I could develop a rapport, I would push and I'd say, "What's the rage about?" And then he'd give me several answers and I'd keep pushing and I'd say what are you really enraged about?

And often if you're persistent and you're doing that to get to the bottom of it, it's like draining an abscess, sometimes what they'll tell you is I feel like a piece of meat. I feel like I'm used. What the public doesn't know is that when you're out at a restaurant and everybody leers at you, you know, they think that's ok because you're a celebrity. I feel invaded by everyone. Everyone's taking from me, and I'm not allowed to complain because I make so much money.

KAYE: Yes. And really the bottom line is if you think about it. This guy he did show up on set, did his lines, he didn't seem to be having any temper tantrums or trouble on the set. He's just doing his job and he's bringing in the money, he's bringing in the ratings. So is it possible that he thinks what he's saying has merit since he was a functioning addict, apparently, and was making the show happen and bringing in all that money to CBS?

GOULSTON: Well, I think it has merit to him. I think to the outside world, of course, we see it has no merit. And so I think there's a part of him that's trying to have someone agree with anything that he's doing. But everyone is disagreeing with him. And the only time they agree with him is when he's being their nice little boy acting the way that he should be. And I think that could make someone like him want to vomit.

KAYE: All right. Well, we'll leave it there, Dr. Mark Goulston. Thank you. Appreciate your insight this morning.

GOULSTON: Thank you.

KAYE: And just ahead in sports. If you're going to learn to ski, you probably want an instructor with a little experience. Well, this one is 90 years old. That's a whole lot of experience. You'll meet her in just a minute.

And this may be the most famous facial hair in the NFL. And now it's gone. We'll tell you why it got shaved and who is benefitting.

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KAYE: HLN's Joe Carter is here to talk a little sports and we're starting with that beard.

JOE CARTER, HLN SPORTS: Your face says it all.

KAYE: I'm making that face because it's like you were just saying --

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CARTER: That grizzly, big, nasty beard. It has sort of a life of its own.

KAYE: I'm not against beards, but that one was around for a long time.

CARTER: It really was. He grew that for eight month. Brett Keisel, a lineman for the Pittsburgh Steelers, it was the talk of the Super Bowl about how he washes it and maintains it. Well, the most famous beard in the NFL is now gone because he shaved it off for charity. The event was called "Shear the Beard". They raised $30,000 for the children's hospital of Pittsburgh. And Keisel came out and really got the crowd going when he showed off his new look.

Look at that, shaven head, shaven face; going from looking like a member of the ZZ Top band to now what looks like could be a Marine.

KAYE: Oh, my. And for a good cause, that's nice to see.

CARTER: For a great cause.

KAYE: Clean cut there.

You also have an interesting story about a very old ski instructor.

CARTER: I think it's safe to say that we've found the most experienced ski instructor on any mountain in any resort. Her name is Freddie Anderson. She works at a ski resort in Rotterdam, New York and she just celebrated her 90th birthday.

KAYE: You go girl.

CARTER: I mean you watch her ski and you'd never know that she was 90 years old.

KAYE: Look at her.

CARTER: Now, she gets to work with her daughter every single day. They run one of the oldest family-owned, independent ski schools in the nation.

I love the story. And she gets to work every single day, loves her job. And she says she hates when they tell her she doesn't have a client to teach.

KAYE: And she's not even on the bunny hill. I mean this woman's really doing it.

CARTER: She's got all the experience you need if you're looking for an experienced ski instructor.

KAYE: And what's this about this five-year-old that's going to take over the television business?

CARTER: Well, I'd like to introduce you to the hardest working five-year-old in the TV business. His name is Joey. He covers the Chicago Blackhawks. He works the practice rink. He works --

KAYE: Wait. Did you just say he covers Blackhawks? He's five years old?

CARTER: Covers the Chicago -- yes.

KAYE: Ok.

CARTER: Busy working hard. Look at that little look he gives, the little anchorman look.

KAYE: Look at him. He's adorable.

CARTER: Isn't he so adorable with his little shirt and tie? But when it comes to questions, he's a true journalist. He gets right to the point and actually gets very personal with his players. Check it out.

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JOEY, 5-YEAR-OLD SPORTSCASTER: Are you married?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I am married, yes. It's been almost two years now. And it's been fun so is far. But it's still early, right?

That's not going to go well.

JOEY: Do you have a wife?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don't have a wife, I have a fiancee. Do you know what that is? Somebody that --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Careful.

JOEY: You think your fiancee likes your money or your looks?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Wow, that's a really good question, Joey. I'm not going to lie to you.

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CARTER: That's a good question. Do you think your fiancee likes your money or likes your looks?

KAYE: That's hilarious at five years old asking those questions.

CARTER: Only a five-year-old can ask those kind of questions.

KAYE: Because they don't care, right?

CARTER: And it was fun for the players because they got to turn the tables on him. They actually asked him several questions. They quizzed him about players on the team. And Joey correctly identified who wears which number for every single player on the team. And what's the cutest part about it, they asked the five-year-old how long he's been a Blackhawks fan and he replied six years.

KAYE: Ok. Yes. Do the math there.

So he's really good with interviews but maybe not math just yet.

CARTER: Super, super cute. That's all that counts.

KAYE: You better look out.

CARTER: His name is Joey. KAYE: He's coming your way. He's going to be our next sports anchor.

CARTER: Ok, Joey.

KAYE: In a few years.

CARTER: I hope you work your contract.

KAYE: Very cute. You could help him with that. Give him some tips.

CARTER: Absolutely.

KAYE: All right. Joe Carter, good to see you as always.

CARTER: You too.

KAYE: The images from Libya are raw and very disturbing. Thousands turn out to mourn those killed in the protest. And this is where you'll get minute-by-minute updates on what could be the fall of a dictatorship. So keep it here.

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KAYE: Time now to check in with Christine Romans for what's coming up on "YOUR BOTTOM LINE" at the bottom of the hour.

Hey, Christine.

CHRISTINE ROMANS, CNN BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: Randi, two years ago Wall Street was public enemy number one. Today it's teachers? There are three million teachers in this country; you cannot paint them all with the same brush. But many teachers in light of what's happening in Wisconsin, with what they say is an attack on their collective bargaining, they feel as though they're being made the scapegoat for bad state budgets.

We're going to take a look at where all this money is going and why it never seems to be enough -- Randi.